Open Forum: March 16, 2019

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  1. C.L.

    Fred Daly wrote a wonderful biography. Worth picking up if you come across it.
    Thinking back on it, it seems remarkable he was a member of the ALP.
    They wouldn’t want him nowadays and I’m pretty sure Fred wouldn’t want them.

  2. Peter

    And you could buy the first two over the counter at K-Mart. Truly.

  3. Clam Chowdah

    Yes he was always hiding that he had set up an interchange in advance that would make Menzies look good.

    Well spotted.

  4. C.L.

    Mid century modern was the last great architectural period. Everything since has sucked arse.

    Yep, pretty much.

  5. Peter

    Sorry, comment relates to ownership of 22s, shottys and 303s.

  6. jupes

    Was Fred Daly ever prone to embellish at all?

    Is Fred related to Arthur?

  7. Old School Conservative

    None
    #2962009, posted on March 17, 2019 at 8:58 pm
    O.B. my last contact with those people was when I used to to drink with former members of the Finks

    Small world.
    I used to pour drinks for Finks at a pub before they got a clubhouse.
    A tough crowd.

  8. Tel

    The “War on Terror” is the greatest foreign policy debacle in human history. Bush and Blair are the parents of IsIS and should be executed.

    Agreed IT, but have you noticed that although the ABC tut tuts about hegemony, they never actually suggest might be an idea to bring the wars to an end? Never never never accuse the culprits who started it (especially Blair who is much revered as a Labour saviour these days).

    But of course, always more third world immigrants.

    It’s like the thoughts are being controlled 😵

  9. jupes

    Opposition Leader Bill Shorten today criticised the teenager, telling reporters in Melbourne that egging Senator Anning was “a mug thing to do”.

    “You don’t get your message out by coming up and crunching an egg on someone — it’s just stupid,” he said.

    Well said.

    “You don’t want to give this foolish politician, this hurtful politician, any sense of the moral high ground, because he has none.”

    Mr Shorten was also critical of the way Senator Anning’s supporters had restrained the teenager following the egging.

    “How many tough extreme right wingers does it take to wrestle with a 17-year-old boy?” he asked.

    About half as many police it took to take him outside.

  10. Davey Boy

    Mark A
    #2962041, posted on March 17, 2019 at 9:38 pm

    Political / Criminal – same same, it was the ALP after all

    This article reckons it was political

  11. Leigh Lowe

    Iwanoff homes are incredible. So distinctive and highly sought after.

    Mid century modern was the last great architectural period. Everything since has sucked arse.

    Some of the concrete block ones looked a little brutalist in some respects, and at the same time a bit ornate around the edges as well, with those balustrades.
    Turns out they were basically concrete blocks with the odd piece of cast concrete using polystyrene packing inserts as formwork.
    Bewdiful!

  12. None

    As I said Morrison gave a gift to Shorten and he didn’t let it go to waste.

  13. Shy Ted

    1. Tried to get to Fraser Anning’ website to make a contribution. Computer says no. Can’t even find Conservative Nationals Party Australia in the usual search engines. Something funny going on here. Fraser’ facebook page says PHON has bought up lots of domain names and searches are redirected to One Nation. But they don’t. Guess a cheque and an envelope with a stamp will have to do.
    2. Just returned from a second internet date with an educated young lady who works as a teacher. Opening line, “sorry I’m late, just went to the mosque for the Christchurch attack service. Isn’t it terrible what some people do.” Such opening lines do not a great date make.
    3. I think sensible people who go on TV now are so intimidated by the potential backlash of what they say that they risk their livelihood – Tanveer Ahmed, Gerard H on Insiders this morning, The Dumb’ recent conservative panelists and questions and topics are framed to confuse the apples and the oranges so you simply can’t answer “Islamic terrorist acts are running at a rate of 17,000 to 1, that’s industrial scale” or “are you aware of the established links between that NZ mosque and terrorist activities?” It’s time to abandon the ABC and MSM completely. They’ve got you over a barrel and you’re not going to win an reasoned argument no matter how right you are. Funnily enough those phrases were my response to the sympathetic schoolteacher.

  14. cohenite

    Bush and Blair are the parents of IsIS and should be executed.

    That shits me; when people attempt to deflect responsibility away from islam for what islam does. Isis would have developed without bush and blair because everything islam does is because of one fucking thing: islam.

  15. mh

    So the MSM has censored the fact that the Christchurch mosque was a terror factory.

    This is why globalists are working with BigTech – so that we can never find out this stuff.

    Ignorance Is Bliss

  16. John Constantine

    Does ending the gun culture mean that their yarragrad quisling collaborative regime will get rid of their arsenal of military style assault rifles, bought for the state paramilitary to gun down pale stale males out where the media don’t film cabins in the bush?.

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/police-buy-600-massshooting-ar15type-semiautomatics/news-story/15bdd85a89e8f9455729e921f7ec4794

  17. Old School Conservative

    The 2nd man and a woman arrested after the mosque shooting have been released, the only charges being “firearms offences” against the man.

    Officially that makes it a “lone wolf” attack. Don’t hold your breath waiting for that headline.

  18. Steve trickler

    You were assisted by a weight

    Impressive, but you didn’t swim down. Big difference.



  19. Bushkid

    It’s a balance of risks, Doc. What are the known risks of downing a statin every day vs the risk of 40 years with clogged arteries with which comes the possinility of stroking or heart problems.

    The difference is that the statins will damage you a lot faster than the cholesterol, and damage you a lot more in that short time.
    Also, you can quite successfully mitigate the effects of unbalanced cholesterol with diet and lifestyle changes; statin damage, not so much. Excessive statins prescribed by a pill-pushing GP damned near literally killed my otherwise healthy husband. No discussion about diet etc, just “here take lots of these, or you’ll have a heart attack in months, be dead within the year”. The cardiac specialist he was referred to was aghast. We were livid. My husband still lives with the damage.

  20. Infidel Tiger

    That shits me; when people attempt to deflect responsibility away from islam for what islam does. Isis would have developed without bush and blair because everything islam does is because of one fucking thing: islam.

    What rubbish

    Hussein, Assad and Qadaffi were secular hard men who keep the weirdos under co trip and provided ansfae haven for all the middle easts minorities.

    Toplling them was the greatest mistake the west has made in the last century. We will be paying the price for another 1000 years.

    The neocons effectively murdered millions of Christians and minorities.

  21. mh

    Why the hell was Al Noor Mosque allowed to operate once it was clear it was producing terrorists?

  22. Infidel Tiger

    “Kept the weirdos under control and provided safe haven”

  23. None

    https://mobile.twitter.com/SkyNewsAust/status/1107213445814870016

    Stoker shouldn’t have just emphasized the burden on small business but also emphasized the fact that it is double dipping and inherently unfair given that labor likes the whole unfair business. Conservatives really have to start learning how to play hard and how to play dirty without going below the belt.

  24. Elle

    Is this the modern day mentality ?

  25. mh

    Jacinda Ardern before the attack.

    You can imagine how far this stuff is going to pushed on us now.

  26. Infidel Tiger

    Of course the NZ attack is going to be used to grab guns, open borders and remove free speech.

    Lefties are tumescent with glee at this false flag attack.

    It is the greatest thing that has happened since 1968.

  27. Old Lefty

    Menzies’ wit once got the better of him. His famous retort to Labor MP Eddy Ward that Ward might be one of the people rounded up under the Communist Party Dissolution Bill was, according to a reliable eye-witness account years after, a bit of banter fuelled by a couple of pre-dinner martinis. (Ward and Menzies were old sparring partners but got on well, as I understand it.) He didn’t mean it, but it looked terrible on the cold light of newsprint the next morning. And in those days a journalist who reported that an MP looked under the influence was in danger of being hauled up before the privileges committee. So Menzies just had to wear it, and it cost him dearly.

  28. Who posted earlier about a Qld cop saying it is assault to hit someone over 65?

    Slight misinformation, but it is essentially correct.
    In Qld (as in most jurisdictions) it is assault to hit anyone.
    However it is more serious to hit someone who is over 65, or to hit someone after 9pm at night – such that the crime (for crime it is) automatically becomes one degree more serious (i.e. moves from “Common Assault” to “Serious Assault”, etc.)

    Furthermore, the sentencing guidelines are more harsh if the victim was aged 65+ or if the assault occurred after 21:00 hrs. Meaning parole eligibility is not until a greater proportion of the sentence is served in jail (say 80% of the term, instead of a more usual 66%)

    In Qld, btw, a Seventeen year old is not a “kid”.
    No “Joovie” for him.
    In the eyes of the criminal law he’s a full adult, would be tried as an adult, and once sentenced, would be off to Big Boy’s Jail.
    (As more than one little scrote who’s fresh from interstate has discovered when they break the law.)

  29. pete m

    IT, great control huh? Led to 9/11, gassing kurds, killing democracy in Iran.

    The mid East has been and likely always will be a third world #$$%hole of a place which breeds moron goat [email protected]%% who can only believe if they blow themselves up they are doing the world a favour – sadly taking innocents with them.

    Nothing post 9/11 changed any of that.

  30. Elle

    For those on FB; well said Rabbi Shmuley.
    link

  31. Steve trickler

    Memoryvault.

    I hope you are holding up well.



  32. Zyconoclast

    The neocons effectively murdered millions of Christians and minorities.

    ➕ 1️⃣

  33. Oh come on

    Fred Daly wrote a wonderful biography. Worth picking up if you come across it.
    Thinking back on it, it seems remarkable he was a member of the ALP.
    They wouldn’t want him nowadays and I’m pretty sure Fred wouldn’t want them.

    The Politician Who Laughed. And there was another. Both good reads. He wrote about Doc Evatt in very frank terms (Evatt was even more of a swivel-eyed loon than is commonly understood), as well as his watm friendship with Jim Killen. That was a nice touch.

    He also wrote about the old Parliament House, and how it was far more conducive to collegial relations across party lines than the new Parliament House. A year or so ago, some architect wrote a piece critiquing the design of Parliament House,because it kept representatives separated from each other, and representatives separated from the people. Fred Daly made pretty much this exact point 30 years ago.

  34. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    (Ward and Menzies were old sparring partners but got on well, as I understand it.

    When Eddie Ward – the “Socialist firebrand of East Sydney” died, Menzies paid very fulsome tribute on the floor of the House. James Killen queried this – “I didn’t think you two had that much time for each other.”

    “Killen, there is some good in most people. I suspect, if we look hard enough, we may find some good in even you.”

  35. Snoopy

    Jacinda Ardern before the attack.

    I wish she would wear a niqab.

  36. Whalehunt Fun

    Thanks Socrats. Would love to hear of the smart alec sent down for several years and used as a comfort girl by the citizens of the Pacific Island nations.

  37. Elle

    Oy! There was a lot more to the Rabbi’s podcast. Not sure why it didn’t appear. Never mind.

  38. Overburdened

    In response to comments about tough guys.
    If you have the will and capacity you will prevail.
    I know this to be true, all things being equal and sometimes against the odds if the opposition aren’t up to it.

    That’s why sniping and sneaking was invented.

  39. Elle

    Nought wrong with an ample mouth! Leave Jacinda alone FFS!

  40. Zyconoclast

    Thanks Socrats. Would love to hear of the smart alec sent down for several years and used as a comfort girl by the citizens of the Pacific Island nations.

    Sweet as bro

  41. Infidel Tiger

    IT, great control huh? Led to 9/11, gassing kurds, killing democracy in Iran.

    What?

    9/11 was the neocon’s great friend The Saudi’s.

    Iranian mullahs toppling the Shah was because the west refused to back our allies. One of the greatest mistakes of the last 100 years.

    Gassing a few Kurds is a very minor thing in comparison to the millions upon millions the neocons murdered.

  42. Whalehunt Fun

    The neocons effectively murdered millions of Christians and minorities.

    It is a price I am very happy to pay for access to cheap oil. And it is a good way to retire munitions nearing the end of their shelflife. Just expend them in some cesspit like the middle east.

  43. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    (Ward and Menzies were old sparring partners but got on well, as I understand it.)

    Somebody twitted Eddie Ward about his lack of overseas service in World War One.

    “I will have you know that the Prime Minister and I served in the same battalion.”

  44. mh

    Who posted earlier about a Qld cop saying it is assault to hit someone over 65?

    That was me saying something similar. Thanks for info.

    Fraser Anning looks good for someone who is 70 this year.

  45. Overburdened

    Elle
    I was expecting the Alien tongue that turns into another toothy mouth would pop out towards the end.

  46. Overburdened

    …but that’s just me.
    I like em a bit feisty.

  47. Zyconoclast

    Somebody twitted Eddie Ward about his lack of overseas service in World War One.

    “I will have you know that the Prime Minister and I served in the same battalion.”

    Pre Twitter?

  48. Seco

    Have modern TV’s had the closed captioning capability removed? Why do politicians need a sign language interpreter for every national disaster nowadays?

  49. Snoopy

    Why do politicians need a sign language interpreter for every national disaster nowadays?

    It’s a job program for fuglies.

  50. Overburdened

    Back to the tough guys thing, that’s why John Newman was shot.

  51. My post on Qld assault laws & sentencing above… well, applies to Qld.
    Senator Anning was assault in Melbourne.
    The Victorian legal system, as we well know, is a horse of an entirely different colour.

    In Qld the kid would get time in Big Boy’s Jail, & Senator Anning would be eligible for victims of crime compensation.

    In Victoria, the kid will probably be fined One Dollar, whilst Anning will get Ten Years in Pentridge.

  52. Snoopy

    They’re deaf, not blind FFS!

  53. None

    Are you seriously telling me that Queensland says it’s more serious if you hit somebody after 9 p.m. what???

  54. mh

    In Victoria, the kid will probably be fined One Dollar, whilst Anning will get Ten Years in Pentridge.

    Victoria stopped producing men long ago.

  55. Overburdened

    I look forward to when droids are used to convey all the information we need to know through a chip that is embedded in the amygdala.
    No more gender confusion, race privilege issues etc

  56. Are you seriously telling me that Queensland says it’s more serious if you hit somebody after 9 p.m. what???

    Yes.

  57. Overburdened

    SatP
    Pentridge is closed btw.
    Stuff happens when you’re out of town.

  58. mh

    SatP
    Pentridge is closed btw.
    Stuff happens when you’re out of town.

    They let everyone out of the loony bins, too.

  59. Elle

    Fraser Anning looks good

    mh, ooh la la! As good as Trump?

  60. None

    I call b******* on the 9 p.m.
    Serious assault in Queensland is possible if you are salt someone over 60 and a few other circumstances but I have never seen the after 9 p.m.
    Could you quote a section of the criminal code or linked to a reputable source online?

  61. Elle

    I like Trump.
    I do not like Anning.

  62. mh

    Trump looks ok for nearly 73, but he’s not natural looking.

  63. Overburdened

    mh
    True that a bit.
    Must say the places aren’t what they were.

  64. Elle

    Are we the only one’s awake, mh?
    Day off tomorrow. About to watch a movie.

  65. Bruce in WA

    Former Australian prime minister John Howard has taken a swipe at NSW Labor amid criticism over the party’s move to preference the Shooters, Fishers and Farmers.

    In an advertisement published on the NSW Liberal’s Facebook page on Sunday night, Mr Howard said the preference decision demonstrated “Labor will do anything to buy a vote, and it’s a reason not to reward that kind of attitude”.

    The Shooters have argued for a repeal of the 1996 National Gun Control Agreement and, if Labor were to win the state election it would put “enormous pressure” on the party to water down the laws, Mr Howard said.

    “And that would be at a great cost to community safety.”

    Mr Daley gave an “unequivocal and ironclad guarantee” that the state’s gun laws would not be weakened if he’s elected premier on Saturday.

    “And that would be at a great cost to community safety.”

    BS, Howard you turd, absolute, utter BS! Please die soon so I can piss on your grave!

  66. Senator Anning is a hard man to like.
    This becomes acutely so the more you delve into him.
    But he seems to have all the right enemies.

  67. mh

    Howard you turd, absolute, utter BS! Please die soon so I can piss on your grave!

    Don’t sit on the fence.

  68. Bruce in WA

    And Bruce in WA

    [Waves] Hello!

    Don’t sit on the fence.

    That’s my upbringing — too reserved to say what I really feel!

  69. Elle

    John Howard was one of the most admirable PMs.

    Bruce, save your pee for the likes of Mark Latham.

  70. Steve trickler

    Brilliant. Nice work, Ladies.



  71. hzhousewife

    elle, you need to get out more – get yourself to a rodeo or a saleyard (before they are extinct), or anywhere 300k outside a city Anning is an Aussie bloke, not a city millenial. yeah he’ll be outvoted, but really where are the guts in the city worker drone masses, the feminazi developer class – want them to rule the nation, really? Anning stood up. Why don’t you stand up?

  72. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    But he seems to have all the right enemies.

    Senator Anning is to be commended on his restraint – I’d have given the little snowflake a broken nose, and a mouthful of smashed teeth.

  73. Bruce in WA

    John Howard was one of the most admirable PMs.

    Bruce, save your pee for the likes of Mark Latham.

    No, he was an arsehole.

    And yes, Latham is just as bad.

  74. mh

    Senator Anning is a hard man to like.
    This becomes acutely so the more you delve into him.
    But he seems to have all the right enemies.

    Australia could do with some hard nosed rural types running the show. Presumably Anning fits that description, I don’t know too much about him.

    What I do know is the current crop all have to appeal to the inner cities, because that is the electoral reality thanks to the Ponzi scheme.

  75. mh

    hzhousewife
    #2962142, posted on March 18, 2019 at 12:04 am

    Posted the same thoughts!

  76. JC

    Annings party’s economic policies are two, according to Facebook.

    1. Build dams and infrastructure projects

    2. Interest free government bank.

    If number 2 is any guide, the party is a copy of the CEC.

  77. Elle

    Why don’t you stand up?

    I stand up. Slouching on the couch right now though.

    My uncle owns an abattoir. I have viewed the slaughter of those in the sale yard.

  78. Overburdened

    So as I was saying

    Christone ‘Kingfish’ Ingram
    Don’t let the Devil Ride

    Reduced circumstances so can’t do a link.

    3rd attempt ffs.

    Is it something I said?

  79. hzhousewife

    yup

    hzhousewife
    #2960075, posted on March 16, 2019 at 8:35 am
    Brief glance at Tele page 4 the mother describes an odd child – I’m immediately reminded of the movie
    “We Need To Talk About Kevin” (based on book by Lionel Shriver)

    Old School Conservative
    #2962076, posted on March 17, 2019 at 10:26 pm
    The 2nd man and a woman arrested after the mosque shooting have been released, the only charges being “firearms offences” against the man.

    Officially that makes it a “lone wolf” attack. Don’t hold your breath waiting for that headline.

  80. Rabid Koala

    John Howard was one of the most admirable PMs.

    Howard disarmed the Aussie population while doubling muslim immigration. He is a traitor.

  81. JC

    There’s more

    Australian ownership of our infrastructure, manufacturing and agriculture;

    widely distributed ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange through owner operated farms, small business and co-operatives;

    collective bargaining in agriculture and industry;

    orderly marketing of agricultural products;

    the development of rural and regional infrastructure and the re-industrialisation of Australia;

    an end to usury through the establishment of a not-for-profit government bank;

    Agrarian socialism alert.

  82. Overburdened

    Well it seems I can get back to my tirade.
    Yay.

  83. Rabid Koala

    The 2nd man and a woman arrested after the mosque shooting have been released, the only charges being “firearms offences” against the man.

    As I said previously the others arrested were muslim criminals with illegal guns. One of them was even in camo when he was arrested by police. Maybe they were preparing for their own terrorist attack and Tarrant interrupted it?

  84. mh

    JC, we still need a disruptor.

    Australians know this country is heading in the wrong direction, even if they cannot articulate it well.

  85. Overburdened

    If you are half smart and can afford or want to jump through the hoops you can have guns in Oz.
    Naturally there are more firearms floating around than anyone actually knows in fact.
    John Howard was a good man and a fine leader.
    He did what he thought was right for the time to get the sheep in a line.
    At that time he could not have anticipated the importation of guns, parts and ammunition that has occurred since that time.

  86. mh

    Overburdened, what device are you posting on?

  87. John Howard was one of the most admirable PMs.

    John Howard took guns.
    For that I’ll laugh like a hyena on the day he dies – knowing Australia just became a better place.
    He deserves any pain, any anguish, that life can dish out to him.
    He deserves no pity. He deserves no succour. He deserves no help.
    He deserves to die alone, forsaken, in pain and in misery.

  88. jupes

    John Howard also introduced the Renewable Energy Target. – He set it a 2% but it has currently been raised to 28% by Federal Libs, will be raised to 50% by Federal Labor, and will be raised to 100% by the Greens, NSW Labor and – worst of all – NSW Liberals.

    A text book demonstration of where appeasement gets you.

  89. Overburdened

    mh

    It’s not heading in the wrong direction, it’s not doing what some people want.
    Sharing’s caring so I’d go so far as to say I’m with you that it’s going south.
    Fact is the majority of people with social potency don’t share the same enthusiasm for your way of thinking.

  90. mh

    Fact is the majority of people with social potency …

    Huh?

  91. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    JC, we still need a disruptor.
    Australians know this country is heading in the wrong direction, even if they cannot articulate it well.

    I know he doesn’t meet the high standards of some here as a ‘go to’ man, but on today’s Outsiders I was pretty impressed with Mark Latham’s declared intent of being a senatorial disrupter if he wins in NSW next Saturday. Just as I was impressed with his handling of a face-to-face community group meeting last Monday in Wentworth. True, he’s having a two-way bet on da climate, but he’s open to all forms of energy and will push the nuclear debate as well as support coal and other mining. He’s also wanting big changes in schools, and is determined to push back on ‘gender flexibility’ re kids. He has a high profile and popularity and the knack of putting a straight argument in language that is relatable and readily understood. The numbers will be interesting to see. If he does well in NSW he could be our best hope for a Federal disrupter should he make the decision to go Federal later.

  92. Rabid Koala

    Google has gone full USSR and removed Patrick Moore from among the search results for Green Peace. Rewriting history worked out so well for the Bolsheviks the first time around…

  93. Rabid Koala

    It should say “search results for Green Peace founders”

  94. Bruce in WA

    John Howard was a good man and a fine leader.
    He did what he thought was right for the time to get the sheep in a line.

    No, he didn’t; he blackmailed the states in an attempt bolster his own flagging figures.

    What he did was unconstitutional and condemned a million innocent Australians to a an undeserved penalty. There was no “buyback” — my guns weren’t for sale! But under threat of imprisonment, my legal property was taken and crushed — and I had done NOTHING wrong.

    As Howard said, live, on 2GB, “I hate guns”.

    Says it all.

  95. Overburdened

    mh
    I have an ipad.
    I don’t know what version or identifier applies to it.
    It was a gift, and now seems to be a bit like a microwave oven. Didn’t know you needed it until you got it.
    Lappy in ICU waiting for me to say to turn it off.
    Do nothing on my phone.
    Logistical considerations prevent me wanting to remedy the situation at present.

  96. mh

    John Howard also introduced the Renewable Energy Target. – He set it a 2% but it has currently been raised to 28% by Federal Libs, will be raised to 50% by Federal Labor, and will be raised to 100% by the Greens, NSW Labor and – worst of all – NSW Liberals.

    Equals de-industrialisation and total reliance on China remaining a friendly buyer of what we extract from the ground and not screwing us.

  97. Overburdened

    Social Potency (TM)

  98. Pedro the Ignorant

    I am about as Irish as Albert Namatjira, but I did enjoy Steve Trickler’s St Pat’s Day videos.

  99. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Brief glance at Tele page 4 the mother describes an odd child – I’m immediately reminded of the movie
    “We Need To Talk About Kevin” (based on book by Lionel Shriver)

    One of the most chilling books I have ever read. I don’t hesitate to say that when her brother gave a friend of mine who had just had her first baby this book to read in some spare moments, I took it off her. You can read it later, I said, when you are not quite so busy with this new bub. I gave it back to her when the babe was through its first year and she was more capable of reacting rationally to its content. She thanked me after she had read it.

    It could send any new mother into the deepest depression.

  100. Pedro the Ignorant

    I will never forgive Howard for his 1996 firearm theft.

    Now the dickhead is doubling down and demanding more restriction on law abiding citizens.

    Just go and have an afternoon snooze instead of pontificating in the media, you irrelevant old coot.

  101. Overburdened

    Bruce WA
    In NSW they have a plot to tax you for purchasing bottles and then if you’re half interested give you a bit back if you are willing to go through the process.
    We are talking about politicians who want to be or stay in power, and must also manage the moving parts of running the society from a communal and financial perspective.
    They are bound to not please everyone all the time.

  102. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Bruce, save your pee for the likes of Mark Latham.

    Why, Elle? I am a realist. Latham has the best chance of any so far to break the 2-party deadlock by demonstrating how to demolish the shibboleths of the left to which they both adhere. He knows them through and through and is a real fighter.

  103. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Off to bed now though. See y’all.

  104. Bruce in WA

    Latham is a liar. I had a bit of time for him, despite his history. But he’s proved me wrong. He’s a liar and a conniving S-O-B whose only priority is getting into parliament — any way he can.

  105. None

    Oh sweet baby freebie the Australian really pisses me off:

    Picked on for his weight, white supremacist loner Brenton Tarrant turned to bodybuilding, video games — and guns.

    a million and one that kids have grown up after being bullied about their weight and not a single one of them went on this murderous spree.

  106. Snoopy

    Richard Fernandez via Instapundit:

    The old devils are on the loose and the problem is what to do now. One option is to deliver even higher doses of political correctness and demographic replacement. But perhaps the absolute worst thing politicians can do is respond by collecting guns, imposing hate speech restrictions, and announcing open borders. In the current atmosphere of distrust toward authority, such actions can destroy the only asset a state faced with ethnic conflict has: the public belief that it is above the fray and won’t sell anyone out. That quantity can itself run out and therein lies the danger.

    Guess what they’ll do.

  107. Overburdened

    To pose a hypothetical, out of all the Oz PMs since Hawke would you want to make a call to arms?

  108. mh

    One example of how Federal government is resorting to trickery.

    The ATO has targeted and employed uni graduates for the past six months. Not a graduate program, but employing them part time, say 15 hours per week, to do debt work. They train up wave after wave of these people in order to have a large pool of workers for busy periods. It’s total bullshit. It’s so that the Coalition can brag about all the new jobs that they have created heading into the Fed election.

  109. W Hogg

    “How many tough extreme right wingers does it take to wrestle with a 17-year-old boy?” he asked.

    Should only take one adult male to overpower a 16-17yo teen, right Bill?

  110. MatrixTransform

    To pose a hypothetical, out of all the Oz PMs since Hawke would you want to make a call to arms?

    Didnt Gillard already try that?

  111. Bruce in WA

    Guess what they’ll do.

    No need to guess.

    1. Aussie authorities are already looking at banning all lever actions.
    2. A Muslim group has called for a total ban on firearms in Australia because they “no longer feel safe”.

    (Note: Both of these are unlinked because they possibly may not be true. But only possibly. I read them but can’t find them again.)

  112. MatrixTransform

    Should only take one adult male to overpower a 16-17yo teen, right Bill?

    depends … dead or alive?

  113. Overburdened

    The token female has left so toxic masculinity will reign supreme.
    There should be a law about it.

  114. Overburdened

    Gillard couldn’t find her axxxxxxle with two hands, a bright light and a mirror.
    IMO no one ever took her seriously.

  115. mh

    “How many tough extreme right wingers does it take to wrestle with a 17-year-old boy?” he asked.

    They illiminated the risk to 69 year old Fraser Anning immediately, which Bill Shorten must have a problem with.

  116. None

    Could Bill Shorten kindly inform us how he identified those guys that restrained egg boy as “extreme right wing”? Were they wearing a badge? Was it tattooed on their forehead? I know I should avoid extremists so how does one identify them? Was egg boy and extreme right winger too?

  117. Mitch M.

    She also plays the electric violin

  118. Overburdened

    mh
    I can advise that nothing that occurred was outside the parameters for this type of engagement.

  119. mh

    Ok, that’s enough for a while.

    وداعا

  120. MatrixTransform

    5000-ish years of written history and in the last 50 years humankind has finally worked out that the best political organisation looks like Amazonia.

    I’m somewhat skeptical.

    today the missus got the ladder out and trimmed all the hedges and pittosporum.
    She mowed the lawns and trimmed edges too.
    Filled the green bin, transferred the compost.
    Then she got the welder and tidied up the front gates that I broke trying to wrench them open the other day because I was too silly to realise they wont motor open if the bolt is dropped.
    I think she even tacked a weld on the bolt so that cant happen again.

    ME, on the other hand, I dragged my arse outta bed around 10. Had 3 cups of tea and jiggled the cryptic crossword before talking to my cat-lady friend for 2 hours. Then while the missus fixed the gate I researched a bookshelf corner piece thingy on the interwebs.

    So then I made her drive to fantastic furniture, load it into the car and then put it together while I worked which coloured vase to put the Gladioli in.

  121. Overburdened

    Ha moderated.
    If you type ‘jE28sh men singing wish you were here’ into YouTube
    You may like it.

  122. MatrixTransform

    She also plays the electric violin

    nice chops

    ok enough eye-rolling … I obviously meant in the musical sense

  123. Mitch M.

    I like this interpretation. I don’t know if she good at her craft but she throws herself into her work.

  124. MatrixTransform

    but she throws herself into her work.

    the gates are fixed, the drains are clear … what else to do?

    I got a few jobs around the house I can think of.

  125. None

    And bino my little pumpkins, just as I predicted yesterday: astroturfing 101 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.smh.com.au/politics/federal/more-than-800-000-sign-petition-to-have-anning-removed-from-parliament-20190316-p514rl.html
    Note they don’t tell you that you can sign the same petition 50 million times and that anyone in the world can sign them too. Note too that these f****** retards don’t realise you can’t expel MPS or senators from parliament.

  126. Tom

    Johannes Leak on idle chatter at the Paywallian that Karl Stefanovic could end up at 2GB if
    Alan Jones leaves.

  127. Tom

    Fraser Anning’s idiocy has gifted a free hit to every leftard cartoonist in Australia, including
    David Rowe.

  128. Tintarella di Luna

    Jennifer Oriel’sarticle in the Oz this morning is a tour de force can’t link as I have no internetthanks Telstra a thing of beauty well parsedonly one grammatical errorgreat read

  129. Bruce of Newcastle

    Roy nails it!

  130. Tintarella di Luna

    Darn iPhone is freezing up too

  131. Miltonf

    Tinterella anyone in the seat of Parramatta worth voting for on Saturday?

  132. Bruce of Newcastle

    LOL, Photios says he wants to finish off the Liberal Party.

    Don’t leave house half-finished (Oz, paywalled)

    MICHAEL PHOTIOS
    The stuff of good governments is the story of things done. Not promised and undelivered.

    I suspect he has an excellent chance of success, especially with the sterling assistance of Turnbull and Bishop. Will the last escaping right wing Lib please turn out the lights?

  133. Eyrie

    I spent an hour with Fraser Anning talking aviation and a few other things 3 months ago.
    He isn’t an idiot and he sees clearly what is going in in our country. A straight up rural Queensland type of bloke. No bullshit.

  134. Eyrie

    “Fraser Anning’s idiocy has gifted a free hit”
    Drinking the kool-Aid, Tom?

  135. John Constantine

    When their shortreich gives schoolgirls the vote, of course it will only be the ones that have passed the safe politics school courses taught by activists that qualify for this social license to branchstack.

    Comrades.

  136. stackja

    Trump not white supremacist: White House
    Doina Chiacu and Sarah N. Lynch, Reuters
    40 minutes ago

    US President Donald Trump has championed a Fox News personality who made anti-Muslim remarks as his White House rejected any attempt to link the US leader to a shooter who killed 50 people in two New Zealand mosques.

    The violence against Muslims in New Zealand on Friday put a spotlight on Trump’s rhetoric about Islam and revived criticism of his handling of white supremacist violence.

    “Bring back (at)JudgeJeanine Pirro,” Trump wrote in Twitter posts in which he blamed Democrats for trying to “silence a majority of our Country” and advocated supporters to “stop working soooo hard on being politically correct”.

    At the same time, acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney appeared on Sunday television news shows to tamp down criticism that Trump has not been strong enough in condemning hate speech and has fomented anti-Muslim sentiment.

    “The president is not a white supremacist. I’m not sure how many times we have to say that,” Mulvaney said on Fox News Sunday.

  137. calli

    Wall-to-wall Vigiltainment on Seven this morning with Anning Interruptions.

    Calls for the Death Penalty for Anning and imprisonment for Tarrant.

    Whoops. I may have got that mixed up. The result of watching too much Fake News.

  138. stackja

    Trump’s credentials on white nationalism
    Associated Press
    40 minutes ago

    DONALD TRUMP’S WHITE NATIONALISM REPORT CARD:

    * Played down any threat posed by white nationalism after the gunman accused of the New Zealand mosque massacre called the president “a symbol of renewed white identity”.

    The 28-year-old Australian white nationalist who hates immigrants mentions the US president in a single reference in his manifesto.

    “Were/are you a supporter of Donald Trump?” was one of the questions he posed to himself. His answer: “As a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose? Sure. As a policy maker and leader? Dear god no.”

    * After a 2017 clash between white nationalists and anti-racist protesters in Charlottesville, Virginia, that left one demonstrator dead, Trump said there were “very fine people on both sides” of the confrontation.

    * Did not immediately reject the support of David Duke, a former KKK Grand Wizard, during his presidential campaign.

    * In Florida, Cesar Sayoc, who had decorated his van with Trump propaganda, was accused of mailing explosives last (northern) autumn to Democratic Party officials and media members, many of whom had been criticised by the president. The president said Sayoc had been “insane” long before he became a Trump fan.

    * Last month, a former Coast Guard official was accused of stockpiling weapons in a plot to kill media figures and liberal politicians as part of a plan to transform the US into a white ethno-state. It took more than a week for Trump to respond to the plot, which he deemed “a shame”.

    * On the campaign trail in 2016, Trump followed such statements as “I think Islam hates us” with an effort a week into his presidency to ban citizens of several Muslim-majority countries from entering the US. After court challenges, the administration revised the policy.

  139. stackja

    One dead in West Bank shooting attack
    Associated Press
    March 17, 2019 8:07pm

    At least one person has been killed and two others wounded in a Palestinian shooting attack in the occupied West Bank, Israel Radio says.

    The incident began when a Palestinian grabbed a weapon from an Israeli at an intersection near the J-wish settlement of Ariel and then shot him, Channel 13 television said.

    The assailant then shot another Israeli, stole his car and fled, and opened fire at a bus stop at another junction, wounding a third Israeli, the report said.

    In a statement, the Israeli military said shootings had occurred at the Ariel and Gitai intersections and troops were searching for the gunman.

    Israel Radio said one person was shot and killed and two others were wounded in the attack, one of them critically.

  140. None

    Give it a rest Eyrie. If Fraser Anning had any f****** clue about what was going on in the country he wouldn’t have put out such a stupid tweet on Friday and followed it up with an equally stupid and devices and offensive statement which even co-opted the gospel. Fraser Anning exploited a terrorist attack in order to promote his own petty politics. The bodies were still warm and still in the mosque and people were still fighting for their lives and he was out there like Bob Brown screaming about climate change while the Black Saturday fires was still burning. What a ghoul. Fraser Anning is a senator. He is the senator for Queensland. He is paid to review legislation and work for the benefit of the Queensland people not waste our tax dollars bumming around with extreme right wingers in Victoria who have arrest warrants in New South Wales. He is a failed Senator and failing to do his duty. And he’s not the f****** Messiah.

  141. stackja

    None
    #2962234, posted on March 18, 2019 at 7:24 am

    Christchurch mosque shooting: Black Power issues haka ‘challenge’ to white supremacists
    Charles Miranda in Christchurch, News Corp Australia Network
    March 17, 2019 11:28pm
    Subscriber only

    New Zealand’s notorious Black Power gang has performed an emotional haka at the police cordon to the Linwood mosque, saying — unlike the white supremacist gunman allegedly behind the mass murder — they would not hide their colours.

    About a dozen members of the gang broke the solemn silence at a flower vigil point for locals, to perform the ceremonial Maori challenge which received rousing applause.

    A spokesman, who declined to be named, said everyone was grieving the murder of 50 people regardless of skin colour or religion.

  142. stackja

    None
    #2962241, posted on March 18, 2019 at 7:37 am

    FA upsets some. I don’t see why.

  143. None

    The Black Power gang leader in Christchurch had more sense then our chattering class.

  144. stackja

    Brenton Tarrant’s family apologises after Christchurch massacre
    Nick Hansen and Ava Benny-Morrison, The Daily Telegraph
    43 minutes ago
    Subscriber only

    Brenton Tarrant’s distraught family have told the people of New Zealand “we’re so sorry” for the Christchurch massacre.

    The 28-year-old accused mass killer’s grandmother Marie Fitzgerald said she was “gobsmacked” to discover the bloody carnage had been unleashed by her grandson.

    “We don’t know what to think … The media’s saying he’s planned it for a long time so he’s obviously not of sound mind,” Ms Fitzgerald told Channel 9.

    Why is the family getting MSM attention?

  145. Twostix

    “How many tough extreme right wingers does it take to wrestle with a 17-year-old boy?” he asked.

    Australian union man moralising about physical intimidation.

    Did I go to sleep and wake up in hell the other day? Is this hell? Or is it just clown world 2.0?

  146. None

    I told you why Fraser Anning is a fuckwit stackja and now that I’ve seen the whole video of who was with him in Victoria and who was holding down egg boy, I actually am no longer just questioning his judgement I am also questioning his bona fides.

  147. Mater

    The bodies were still warm and still in the mosque and people were still fighting for their lives and he was out there like Bob Brown screaming about climate change while the Black Saturday fires was still burning.

    I don’t disagree that it was unnecessary in terms of timing, but was Latham’s gun tweet any better or any more necessary?

  148. None

    It is a guaranteed knee-jerk reaction, Mater. Fuckwitted politicians put out an anti gun tweet the minute something like this happens. Like Pavlov’s dogs. So if that’s what Latho did then yes it was inappropriate and unnecessary but it was nowhere near as inflammatory and insensitive as Fraser Anning’s tweet and follow up statement.

  149. calli

    Derryn Hinch liver-shaming again on Seven.

    Screeching at Pauline Hansen. A disgusting ambush fuelled by David Koch.

  150. Mater

    but it was nowhere near as inflammatory and insensitive as Fraser Anning’s tweet and follow up statement.

    Sensitivity (and the associated build up of frustration and anger) is what has lead us to this point.
    I don’t need more of it from the politicians. I want a root cause analysis into the factors involved so we can try to avoid further bloodshed. Anning’s statement, whilst controversial, touched on a number of factors which need to be considered in such an analysis.

  151. None

    “How many tough extreme right wingers does it take to wrestle with a 17-year-old boy?” he asked.

    I don’t know, ask John Setka.

  152. bespoke

    Me thinks None protest to much.

  153. Twostix

    None the entire last two days has been one giant offensive political status signalling orgy.

    Anning’s was simply a drop in the ocean. The only reason the whole universe heard about is because if there was no Anning, it would have been necessary to create him.

  154. stackja

    There are traffic delays after a crane caught on fire on the M2 motorway
    Billy Freeman, The Daily Telegraph

    All citybound lanes on the M2 motorway are closed after a crane caught on fire near Barclay Road in North Rocks.

    Traffic in the area is already being diverted onto Windsor Road, but there is no access from Windsor Rd to the M2 to head towards the city.

    The driver is unhurt after the fire started in the engine of his vehicle.

    Commuters are being warned that traffic is queued around seven kilometres and that they should allow plenty of additional travel time.

    Meanwhile:

    Traffic is a vote killer

    By Campbell Gellie

    Heavy congestion and billions of dollars being spent on stadiums is driving Penrith voters away from Liberal MP Stuart Ayres.

    Mother of two Barb Howard said congestion in Penrith was “absurd” with it taking almost an hour to travel seven kilometres during peak hour.

    “I see stadiums go up like this and I think ‘what a crock’,” Mrs Howard said.

    “We have more than 60 per cent of the population out here travelling east for work. This means we are slogged with $2000 a year in just tolls and the M4 is still not complete.

    “I think (Mr Ayres) will be punished for this, at the end of the day people have had enough.”

    Mrs Howard said she would usually vote for Labor but was now looking to minor parties.

    Houses built but no jobs?

  155. None

    Mater, in case you haven’t noticed it was Muslims in Christchurch who were the victims of a terrorist attack buy a xenophobic white supremacist nutter. Fraser Anning had started talking about restricting immigration of xenophobic white supremacist nutters he may have had a chance but he indulged and what is commonly called ‘victim blaming’.

  156. None

    Anning when looking for attention Twostix. Like Yasmin and her Anzac Day tweet. But he has now lost control of the narrative. He’s not a very smart man.

  157. calli

    Still showing the family home in Grafton.

    It’s almost as if Seven is wanting another tragic news story.

  158. Twostix

    Not a little bit of politics going on here on the back of the massacre. Liberal and Labor are working together to frame the smaller parties as dangerous and full of vulgar extremists to suppress the protest vote.

    “No mum and dad, only we are safe and not extreme, best not risk your vote…now let us import another 500,000 muslims into your suburb and teach your five year old about trannies”

  159. Tom

    Drinking the kool-Aid, Tom?

    Eyrie, if you’re trying to win a propaganda war, you don’t criticise moozley immigration a few hours after 50 moozleys are massacred by a psychopath.

    Politically, Anning is a clueless idiot whose motormouth allowed zombie fascists like Egg Boy to believe they’re morally justified in assaulting anyone whose politics they don’t like and retail politicians like SloMo to dump on anything to the right of Mao Tse Tung.

  160. Twostix

    I doubt anning ever thought he was in control of the narrative none.

    The establishment were going to find an Anning on Friday. If there wasn’t one they would have created him.

  161. bespoke

    Join 1735099 on his imaginary high ground, None.

  162. mh

    Fraser Anning is a straight shooter.

    Anyone who doesn’t like that is a fag or a Victorian. Or both.

  163. Snoopy

    ‘Clueless’ Anning has flushed out Scott Morrison for everyone to see. So there’s that.

  164. Eyrie

    None, you are just hopeless.
    Have you ever met with and talked to the man?
    Besides, in politics name recognition is everything. Why do you think a former fish and chip shop owner is a nationally recognised political figure? Fraser Anning is now too.
    Cory Bernardi needs to learn this. Nobody knows who he is. Do or say something controversial and the media class will fall over themselves condemning you which gives you the publicity you need as a politician and evades the blackout they otherwise impose. Donald Trump has learned this.
    In any case our political class is selling out this country. Did anyone ask us if we wanted mass Muslim immigration. Which countries have been improved by this?
    I suspect most of the head scarved third world detritus, along with their ill behaved junior jihadis at the citizenship ceremony last week ceremony were on welfare of one kind or the other.
    The Mayor was fawning over them and the “citizen’s representative” started his gleeful monologue (hey its like winning a lottery is basically what he said) with “In the name of Allah, our most merciful God”. It was sickening.
    Mrs Eyrie’s Australian citizenship wasn’t done out of any patriotic feeling.
    It is a lot easier to buy US shares if both people are citizens of the same country. We are going to move most of our money out of this country.
    Stick a fork in it. It’s done. I’m too old anyway but anyone considering joining our current armed forces to defend what this place is and will be shortly is just stupid. You will get betrayed and defeated by those above you.

  165. An extract from the diary of a Frank Hann, who worked on or near John Anning’s property in the 1870s –

    18.4.1874
    On the way from Reedy springs to Mt Emma Plains: Met John Anning just come back from hunting blacks.

    These entries from Hann’s diaries cover a period from April until June 1874. The entries here all tell of Frank Hugh Hann and his offsiders riding around “the Wall” looking for Aboriginal people in retribution for spearing cattle. When Hann and his men found any Aboriginal people, they appear to have shot any they could, burned their weapons (‘Tomahawks”) and “all their things”*
    *S.M.Babidge – Family Affairs – An Historical Anthropology of State Practice and Aboriginal Agency in a rural town – North Queensland – June 2004 – Ph D Thesis – p305

  166. stackja

    The Latest: Downstream Missouri River prepares for flooding [AP news]
    yesterday

    Some flooding of low-lying areas around the river in northwest Missouri had already been reported Saturday.

    The National Weather Service says the Missouri River at St. Joseph reached nearly 26 feet on Saturday, about a foot below what’s considered major flooding at the northwest Missouri city. But it’s expected to crest Wednesday or Thursday at 29.3 feet — more than two feet above major flooding level.

    ___

    4:45 p.m.

    Officials in the Omaha, Nebraska, area have had enough of rubberneckers maneuvering around road barricades to get a closer look at flooding.

    The Douglas County Sheriff’s Office has announced it will ticket anyone seen driving around barricades on closed roads in flooded areas of Valley and Waterloo, just west of Omaha.

    Sheriff’s Capt. Wayne Hudson says a person who drove around a barricade Saturday morning trying to get a closer look found himself in trouble when his truck stalled in high water. Hudson says rescuers then had to divert efforts from others to help him.

  167. Tel

    Fraser Anning exploited a terrorist attack in order to promote his own petty politics.

    Oh that was only Anning doing that, while the others maintained respectful quiet sincerity.

  168. feelthebern

    NZ needs to hold a RC into the Christchurch terror attack.
    The world needs to know who knew what & when.
    I can not believe that in this day & age someone didn’t pick up on this guy.
    Someone had to know something.

  169. feelthebern

    If not, can we have a refund for all the dosh spent since Sept 11 on anti terror shit?
    PS, the picture of him as a teenager in the Oz today reminds me of monty.

  170. Baldrick

    Fraser Anning is a straight shooter.

    Perhaps not the best analogy to use, in this case.

  171. None

    Quite of Fraser Anning fanclub here I see while numbers is trying to tell us what exactly?

  172. stackja

    Who decided Islam should be forced on people? I don’t remember hearing much until 9/11. Then a daily regurgitation of hatred in the name of Islam. MSM have not helped, as usual just one-sided reporting. Attacks in England and France go on, virtually unreported. Then one non-Moslem person does violence and MSM go overboard as usual.

  173. Mater

    Bob, your efforts to smear a bloke based on the alleged actions of his looooong dead ancestors makes you absolutely no better than those who are ‘blaming’ the victims of Friday’s shooting based on the actions of others within the Islamic community.
    In fact, I think you’re drawing an even longer bow.

  174. Tom

    Rory McIlroy wins the Players Championship. Amazing tournament — high-pressure golf at its best.

  175. Hanson has been very quiet.
    For once, a wise strategy, considering her hate filled rantings and click attracting imagery have contributed to the atmosphere that facilitates atrocity.

  176. None

    No, Tell they didn’t but the rest of sort of kind of on song you know like guns bad, people dying bad.

  177. Leigh Lowe

    Bob, your efforts to smear a bloke based on the alleged actions of his looooong dead ancestors makes you absolutely no better than those who are ‘blaming’ the victims of Friday’s shooting based on the actions of others within the Islamic community.
    In fact, I think you’re drawing an even longer bow.

    And he is using a PhD thesis from the North Queensland Liars Club (aka James Cook University) as a “source”.

  178. Diogenes

    The Douglas County Sheriff’s Office has announced it will ticket anyone seen driving around barricades on closed roads in flooded areas of Valley and Waterloo, just west of Omaha.

    On staff we have a few SES volunteers, who were talking about idiots driving into flooded waters over the weekend.

    It appears that insurance will pay out for the damage UNLESS you have been fined by wallopers. Very very few are fined. Maybe if they fined a few more & we saw a few stories about “heartless” insurance companies not paying out on ACA , then the message might get through

  179. stackja

    Diogenes
    #2962289, posted on March 18, 2019 at 8:49 am

    Make a few SES, special constables?

  180. Tel

    NZ needs to hold a RC into the Christchurch terror attack.

    What about the second and third shooters? They were recorded in bystander footage (which the NZ government has declared illegal, but regardless of that it would still be evidence).

    There were two vehicles involved, did the same guy supposedly drive both at once?

  181. KartiyaReality

    Getting reports that New Zealand ISPs have banned http://dissenter.com until it is “censorship compliant,” despite the fact that Dissenter was in no way involved with this week’s tragic events in NZ.

    Will the future Green-Labor Alliance see Catallaxyfiles as “Censorship Compliant”?
    Who might judge this?
    Treat your next post as if it will be your last.
    Of course, this could be rebranded as GreenCatallaxy – that would fool them.

    If I’m not back again this time tomorrow
    Carry on, carry on, as if nothing really matters

  182. stackja

    KartiyaReality
    #2962292, posted on March 18, 2019 at 8:53 am

    BS said yesterday censor online content.

  183. Mother Lode

    No, he (Howard) was an arsehole.

    While his policies may have sucked a bit (middle class welfare to make high taxes bearable rather than cleaning out the tax cupboard, playing into the paranoia about guns etc) there was one trait now sorely missed: he would take people on and not knuckle under at the first whiff of MSM’s wetting themselves.

    Compare his stand on boaties, pushing GST when shortly before Hewson had put such a stink on the idea, the stevedores etc.

    No one since has been as resolute or doughty. Even Trumble, who was a progressive through and through, would turn to water if Fauxfacts or the ABC turned on him.

    Howard could be a complete wanker in policy – but separate from this he would get cranky enough and fight back.

  184. Percy Popinjay

    some architect wrote a piece critiquing the design of Parliament House

    The monstrous shithole should never have been built. An almighty “fuck you” to the electorate and a hideously vulgar shrine to the monumental egos of the vile contemptible quislings hellbent on destroying this country.

    It’s as ugly as they are stupid.

  185. Percy Popinjay

    Grate. Cockheads at the Oz playing silly buggers with one of my comments (again).

  186. bespoke

    None
    #2962280, posted on March 18, 2019 at 8:41 am
    Quite of Fraser Anning fanclub here I see while numbers is trying to tell us what exactly?

    Don’t have to be fan of Anning to see through what doing that is to ride the emotional roller-coaster as always.

  187. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The title of the PhD cited by Numbers is rather instructive.

    State Practice and Aboriginal Agency

    That is hardly a neutral title as it indicates the theoretical underpinning of the approach.

    I don’t necessarily doubt some of the content of the thesis although diaries may contort realities. Terrible atrocities do seem to have occurred on both sides (re the ‘other’ side, don’t forget the aboriginal ‘agency’ part – agency in this context refers to reaction or push back, but always viewed in a positive explanatory light as in “The Chant of Jimmie Blacksmith”).

    The past though is another country. Bringing ancestry in as a denigrating factor is poor form and quite unhelpful in explanatory terms.

  188. 1735099

    In fact, I think you’re drawing a longer bow

    I grew up in the bush in North Queensland.
    I remember well the attitudes towards aboriginals that lingered during my childhood.
    They were embedded in family history. There was a degree of skiting about it, after a few beers.
    It used to make my parents very angry.
    Anning and his family history, unfortunately, is far from unique.

  189. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    “We have more than 60 per cent of the population out here travelling east for work. This means we are slogged with $2000 a year in just tolls and the M4 is still not complete.

    Cue, Mark Latham. The only politician speaking up for the people of the West, and they know it.

  190. Boambee John

    None
    #2962280, posted on March 18, 2019 at 8:41 am
    Quite of Fraser Anning fanclub here I see while numbers is trying to tell us what exactly?

    Numbers is trying to condemn Anning for the purported actions of his ancestors, “even unto the seventh generation”.

    However, Numbers is not even willing to condemn the murderous actions of actual communists, let alone pin blame on their descendents.

  191. bespoke

    1735099 would be at home in the old deep south (US) using his negotiating‘s skills to keep the Hatfields and McCoys alive.

  192. Eyrie

    Exploiting this incident with calls for gun control, censorship etc are more obnoxious than any pointing out that this has all happened many times before, usually perpetrated by Muslims which is just the plain unvarnished truth.

    Ask the people of New York, the tourists in Bali, Nice, Berlin, Paris, Moscow, Beslan etec, etc, etc ad nauseum.

    Our societies need to have a sane and reasonable discussion on “What are the reasonable limits to government?”

  193. Indolent

    Latham is a liar. I had a bit of time for him, despite his history. But he’s proved me wrong. He’s a liar and a conniving S-O-B whose only priority is getting into parliament — any way he can.

    How has he proved you wrong? He seems to me to be one of the very few voices of reason at the moment. He was on Outsiders yesterday and spoke extremely well and sensibly. He’s at the top of my NSW senate voting list.

  194. Johno

    “It used to make my parents very angry.
    Anning and his family history, unfortunately, is far from unique.”

    Were your parents communists as well Sniffy numbers?

  195. Boambee John

    Numbers at 0910

    Anning and his family history, unfortunately, is far from unique.

    Pedantry alert!!

    Anning and his family history, unfortunately, are far from unique.

  196. Rae

    A belated and subdued banner change and some token words by the blog owner in defence of Australia’s pre-eminent hate speech blog. Token only because in reality regular commenters continue to be allowed and encouraged to express their hatred of others on a blog where threats of physical harm and death are rewarded by deletion of the evidence and banning of those who have been threatened.

    None of the regulars here will take this post seriously. And it won’t fool those outsiders who see Catallaxyfiles for what it really is.

  197. Mater

    I grew up in the bush in North Queensland.
    I remember well the attitudes towards aboriginals that lingered during my childhood.
    They were embedded in family history. There was a degree of skiting about it, after a few beers.
    It used to make my parents very angry.
    Anning and his family history, unfortunately, is far from unique.

    So you heard Senator Anning (or even his family) skiting about it personally?

  198. Bear Necessities

    After what has happened in NZ my views on gun violence has hardened. Let’s allow concealed or open carry. Let’s give the option to Whites, Blacks, Muslims, Gays, Trans to protect their own against hostile nutters. The cops in most jurisdictions can’t provide the coverage which protects people. We can’t stop the guns in society becoming available like we can’t stop drugs, obesity, climate change etc. If some nutter wants to have a go then let’s make it a 2 way firing range.

  199. dover_beach

    None the entire last two days has been one giant offensive political status signalling orgy.

    Anning’s was simply a drop in the ocean.

    Indeed, as I said yesterday, there was no respect silence following the massacre. The media-political nexus was going to relentlessly promote a political narrative which they would not forgive anyone from departing. They have since continued whipping up a frenzy of hate against Anning, having already practiced their MO successfully on Pell, etc. This is now the standard political weapon of the urban bugman class. It is unleashed upon all who depart from the political narrative of the urban bugman whether measured (Steyn) or satirical (Milo).

  200. Shy Ted

    “How many tough extreme right wingers does it take to wrestle with a 17-year-old boy?” he asked.
    Eggboy says 30. I watched the video and counted 3. But that’s the modern education system for you. And suddenly “bogans” become “tough extreme right wingers”. Last federal election day I was handing out how to vote cars for AC and was astonished at the seemingly never ending conga line of bogans – thongs, shorts, skivvies, tatts, obese and I was left wondering “what possible jobs do these people do?” SA Labour candidate was re-elected.

  201. Baldrick

    Anning used the death of fifty people to score cheap political points.

    Your reaction Numbers, to Anning, is no better.

  202. Beertruk

    From Tim Blair:

    Tim Blair Blog Posts
    A MANSON OF THE ONLINE ERA
    Tim Blair, The Daily Telegraph
    20 minutes ago
    Subscriber only
    The murders committed by Charles Manson’s deadly Californian cult in 1969 were intended to bring about a race war between blacks and whites.

    As Manson saw it, that war would end with all whites dead and Manson’s “family” becoming the leaders of surviving blacks.

    Things did not exactly turn out that way. Manson and several his followers – mostly middle-class white women – were arrested just months after a two-day killing spree and, following their trials, were initially sentenced to be executed.

    A few, those haven’t already died, are still behind bars.

    Accused Australian terrorist/white supremacist/anti-capitalist/eco-fascist Brenton Tarrant also aimed to provoke a race war in the US.

    According to the idiot’s manifesto, his slaying of 50 people in Christchurch would “ultimately result in a civil war that will eventually balkanize the US along political, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines.

    “This balkanization of the US will not only result in the racial separation of the people within the United States ensuring the future of the White race on the North American continent, but also ensuring the death of the ‘melting pot’ pipe dream.”

    Tarrant is the first person in history to attempt launching a US race war from the South Island of New Zealand by killing worshippers at two mosques. It all makes sense to him, just as Manson’s deranged plan made sense to his brainwashed followers.

    What makes even less sense is the effort to blame Tarrant’s alleged murders on various mainstream Australian media figures and outlets.

    “In Australia, as in Europe and America, mainstream politicians and mainstream media commentators have increasingly toyed with extremist ideas in the pursuit of popularity,” academic Greg Barton wrote on the weekend.

    “Many have openly brandished outrageous ideas that in previous years would have been unsayable in mainstream political discourse or commentary.”

    Thus is drawn a straight line from mainstream media to the Christchurch atrocity. Twitter leftists go even further, singling out conservative columnists as being responsible for Tarrant’s actions.

    Yet the accused killer’s manifesto reveals just how unlikely it is that he drew inspiration from any Australian commentators. He was opposed to conservatism, capitalism and the press, so presumably would not be reading anything by pro-capitalist, mainstream conservatives.

    “Conservatism is corporatism in disguise, I want no part of it,” Tarrant wrote. “Conservatism is dead. Thank god. Now let us bury it and move on to something of worth.”

    As for the media, Tarrant responds to his own question about from where he received, researched and developed his beliefs: “The internet, of course. You will not find the truth anywhere else.”

    He’s a Manson of the digital age, and has as little to do with our broader debates as Manson had to do with Disneyland. Tarrant lived, thrived and killed online, in a perverse world he shared with like-minded maniacs.

    “All the evidence suggests this was a horrific, cold-blooded, terrorist attack aimed not at the audiences of traditional news organisations,” ABC News executive editor Craig McMurtrie noted on Saturday, “but at reaching and triggering atomised and often extreme online audiences.”

    Seems about right. So does a line from an Iraqi immigrant to New Zealand named Sama, who spoke to News Corp reporter Paul Toohey at Christchurch Hospital. Sama, like so many others in his community, had arrived at the hospital seeking further news on the shooting’s victims.

    “We don’t hate the Aussies because of this,” he said. “It’s just him. He’s just a dickhead.

  203. Cassie of Sydney

    “Boambee John
    #2962314, posted on March 18, 2019 at 9:17 am
    Numbers at 0910

    Anning and his family history, unfortunately, is far from unique.

    Pedantry alert!!

    Anning and his family history, unfortunately, are far from unique.”

    It is quite obvious that grammar and syntax are not Stinky’s strong points.

  204. Mother Lode

    Were your parents communists as well Sniffy numbers?

    Speculating here, but I would guess they were very proper and sensible people.

    It seems to me that the more propitious the pedigree, the more unnatural the changeling when it occurs.

    Of course it may simply be that, for the fell spawn to flourish, the parents must have great courage and a profound sense of duty – otherwise they would expose the twisted creature on the side of a hill like the Spartans did.

  205. Bushkid

    “And that would be at a great cost to community safety.”

    The “great cost to community safety”, Mr Howard, is the flood of illegal firearms into the Australian criminal world. And I seem to recall reading that various criminals have since used legally obtained and licensed firearms in criminal activity. So tell me again, what good exactly did you achieve?

    All you achieved was to malign the honest and law-abiding firearm owners, who had no intention of using them for criminal or terrorist purposes.

  206. Beertruk

    Shy Ted
    #2962320, posted on March 18, 2019 at 9:24 am

    If the idiot egg boy child had payed attention at school, he would have learnt Issac Newton’s third law, which states ‘that for every action (force) in nature there is an equal and opposite reaction.’

  207. Rebel with cause

    Sad to hear that Canterbury Crusaders rugby team is considering changing its name. Virtue signalling gone mad. Should Christchurch change its name too?

    When nearly every Muslim male has Muhammad in his name…

  208. stackja

    Dozens of Victorians with alt-Right views monitored by police, Chief Commissioner Graham Ashton says
    David Hurley and Brianna Travers, Herald Sun
    36 minutes ago
    Subscriber only

    Counter-terrorism police are monitoring dozens of Victorians with extreme Right-wing views amid fears that they pose a growing risk to the public.

    Chief Commissioner Graham Ashton said today that police had stepped up monitoring of known extremists following Friday’s massacre in ­Christchurch, New Zealand, which left 50 people dead.

    Meanwhile Lawyer X and Pell?

  209. 1735099

    “Were your parents Communists…”

    My father enlisted in the RAAF whrn he heard to news of the Darwin bombing. He served in PNG from 1942 until 1946.
    He fought Fascist Imperialism. In your book, that probably makes him a Communist.
    He fathered six very successful children (Senior Public Servant; Doctor; two teachers, a Musician and mother), and was a Labor voter all his life.
    My mother, a teacher, was in the habit of giving my clothes away to underprivileged kids she taught in bush schools. That used to make me stroppy, but I’m not sure if it made her a Communist.
    They were both what would be dismissed by some here as SJWs, so I’m very proud of them.

  210. Johno

    Muhammads’ crusaders?

  211. Eyrie

    So you were the seventh unsuccessful child?

  212. Rabid Koala

    Sad to hear that Canterbury Crusaders rugby team is considering changing its name. Virtue signalling gone mad. Should Christchurch change its name too?

    When nearly every Muslim male has Muhammad in his name…

    The historical ignorance is astounding. The crusades were a respond to the muslim invasions of Europe. The first crusade was nearly 400 years after the first Islamic invasion of Europe. There is nothing wacist about defending yourself and your country.

  213. Johno

    That’s nice sniffy, but were they communists?

  214. Johno

    My father was in Darwin when it was bombed. He didn’t fight Fascist Imperialism he fought “those Jap bastards”

  215. Old School Conservative

    The Oz has published the team photo of Brenton Tarrant’s u15 Grafton Ghosts rugby league team.
    A chubby Tarrant is highlighted.
    All his white team-mates and aboriginal coach are there for all to see.
    I’m sure that the usual practice is to pixilate all the others in sensitive cases like this. Why would The Oz provide fodder for the media and cranks?

  216. Mother Lode

    Our societies need to have a sane and reasonable discussion on “What are the reasonable limits to government?”

    No need for a discussion!

    The Greens, Labor and the Libs have already decided for us.

    Which makes sense really – why consult the people about how sensible it is not to consult the people? If they even suggested a limit to government authority it would just prove it would just show they should not be involved.

    A self-fulfilling prophecy, of sorts.

  217. 1735099

    Were they communists

    I doubt you’d identify a Communist if he/she bit you on the bum.
    I think it’s all in your mind.
    My kids were scared of the bogey man.
    Maybe you’ll grow out of it.
    They did.

  218. Johno

    He thought Ben Chifley was a great bloke.
    Never voted for him however. His political views were shaped by the wharfies actions in Darwin and how Curtin sucked up to the scum.
    Life long Labot voter. Bet he hated the DLP. Commo.

  219. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    You doing a bit of tongue-in-cheek role reversal up there, Matrix?
    Or is that for real and your better half really does do all that, including the welding.
    If she does, I am full of admiration. And I hope you didn’t mess up choosing the Gladioli vase. 🙂

    ———–

    Latham is a liar. I had a bit of time for him, despite his history. But he’s proved me wrong. He’s a liar and a conniving S-O-B whose only priority is getting into parliament — any way he can.

    He’s certainly a main-chancer: I can’t blame him for that. Retiring violets don’t get into Parliament. Don’t know about liar – but he’s something of a wild card. One always reserves judgement about him for the long run, but I’ve spoken with him twice and each time found him honest. First time only a couple of years ago at a book launch (where I first met Cassie!); in private discussion he admitted to Hairy and me that he was still a member of the Labor Party and seemed to be going through the same sort of agonizing transformation that happened to Hairy twenty years ago about finally ditching membership (Hairy had a very strong background in Labor politics as a young man).

    Second time just recently where I asked him face-to-face on the stairs about tackling the medical and social work professions about over-egging gender dysmorphia in children and adolescents. He was on top of the literature and in touch with the relevant people discussing ways to tackle these professions on it, admitting that it was going to be difficult but that he intended to try.

    I think he’s someone who has learned a lot from his mixed-up political career and has now attained an impressive level of maturity. Political through and through, so there will be some level of caution not to lose his prize by shooting off his mouth badly a week before by complying with what his newer centre-right allies would like him to say. He’s patently taking the safer options. Let’s wait and see.

  220. Johno

    “My kids were scared of the bogey man.”

    Well stop looking at them, you nong. Poor little buggers.

  221. feelthebern

    Tel, where’s a link about the 2 cars?

  222. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Rich socialists are just more equalJennifer Oriel

    12:00AM March 18, 2019
    39 Comments

    Champagne socialists, Bollinger bolsheviks and latte liberals. From America to Australia, Buckingham Palace to Beijing, social justice warriors who grew rich on capitalism in the 20th century are repudiating it from millionaire row. US senator Bernie Sanders is a big-spending socialist who preaches poverty while owning multiple houses and a private jet. Australian Greens candidate Julian Burnside decries tax breaks after amassing a $20 million property portfolio.

    The socialists of old reserved the right to enjoy a certain number of contradictions in their personal lives. What we might call hypocrisy, they called revolution. By way of example, consider the father of Chinese communism, Mao Zedong, who banned high heels as counter-revolutionary. High heels were symbols of oppressive Western imperialism. Harems were another matter. Mao realised his grand theory of equality by starving millions of Chinese and keeping a virtual harem of underage girls. After he died, his former doctor, Li Zhisui, revealed the depravity the Western Left’s darling communist.

    In the fashion of socialists everywhere, UN officials excel at spending other people’s money and rewriting history to suit their politics. They have a talent for corrupting truth. So it is only fair that they should embrace Fidel Castro as one of their own.

    After his death, UN members observed a minute of silence for their hero. General Assembly president Peter Thomson lauded Castro as “one of the iconic leaders of the 20th century, with a great love for his homeland and the Cuban people”.

    The UN’s venerated hero was a cold-blooded communist killer who enjoyed the visceral act of taking life. He took care to record some killings in gruesome detail. Like Mao, Castro came to power promising equality and then delivered the people misery with a splash of misogyny. He took the proceeds of revolution to furnish a lavish lifestyle while claiming to live in a fisherman’s hut. According to his former bodyguard Juan Reinaldo Sanchez, the hut was really a luxury pad. Castro also had an impressive property portfolio. Forbes magazine estimated his personal net worth to be $900 million. As Forbes contributor Keith Flamer observed, “That’s a lot of socialist rationing for one person.”

    From the Oz. “All pigs are equal…”

  223. Denis Hardiman

    Sinc

    Just a notification for folk that are concerned for their children

    My Health Record laws have changed: Parents and other authorised representatives no longer have access to the records of teenagers over 14. Teens over 14 can manage their own record. To learn more, see “Manage your record from age 14” at http://www.myhealthrecord.gov.au.

  224. Old School Conservative

    More on The Oz’s approach to covering the Christchurch tragedy.
    The have just published a photo of Tarrant’s sisters’ place.
    3 cars parked neatly outside.
    No people in the shot.
    Bur highly emotive headlines blare out Christchurch terror: NSW police raid home of Brenton Tarrant’s sister

    Just trying to build the readership.

  225. Beertruk

    Old School Conservative
    #2962349, posted on March 18, 2019 at 9:55 am
    The have just published a photo of Tarrant’s sisters’ place.

    The self righteous tards of the moralistic highground are no doubt now on their way to lay siege.

  226. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Which makes sense really – why consult the people about how sensible it is not to consult the people?

    Yes. Brexit and the British parliamentary elite. Says it all, really.

    As for a second referendum – only when the fix is well and truly in.

  227. Boambee John

    1735099
    #2962339, posted on March 18, 2019 at 9:48 am
    Were they communists

    I doubt you’d identify a Communist if he/she bit you on the bum.
    I think it’s all in your mind.

    Presumably along with the millions of victims of the likes of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, the Castros, Guevera, the NK Kim dynasty, communists are all in the mind?

  228. one old bruce

    ‘using his negotiating skills to keep the Hatfields and McCoys alive’

    Hahahaha, this is why I read and recommend the Cat, it brightens up my day. Carry On!

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