Identity politics at its most absurd

Australia is by a long chalk the least racist country on the planet. People from everywhere just live here and rub on together. Maybe some tall-poppy syndrome problems, but basically our ethos is “have a go”. No one’s ethnic or racial background is a handicap to getting on in life. Always plenty of luck required, and of course talent, intelligence and the will to succeed. But no one is prevented from having a go. So I was endlessly irritated to find this story at Andrew Bolt: Turkey’s president threats to kill Australians over the Christchurch massacre. And from the Oz:

Mr Erdogan had alleged Australian Brenton Tarrant was targeting Turkey during his attack on two Christchurch mosques, and warned anti-Muslim Australians that if they visit his country they will return home in coffins like their grandfathers did after Gallipoli.

Repulsive and racist. But weird as well. And here is a reply that I find on the mark:

Labor leader Bill Shorten said Mr Erdogan’s “foolish and offensive” remarks stoked disunity and hatred. “Intemperate and regrettable remarks like this only play into the hands of those who seek to divide. They do not protect the peace and security of any nation,” Mr Shorten said.

“Many thousands of Australians and New Zealanders will shortly be heading to Turkey to commemorate the shared sacrifice of our two nations at Gallipoli, and 100 years of friendship since. It is up to all leaders of all countries to stand against hate, to demonstrate that unity makes us stronger, that hope can triumph over fear, and that love is greater than hate.”

Mr Shorten urged Turkey’s leaders to heed to words of the founder of modern Turkey, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, inscribed at Anzac Cove: “You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. You, the mothers who sent their sons from faraway countries, wipe away your tears… After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well.”

One-twenty millionth of the Australian population carried out a vile attack on a Mosque. It was neither public policy nor supported by anyone anywhere. This is identity politics at its most absurd. It is always absurd, but this has taken the concept to its farthest and most stupid extremity.

And then this, by a white Australian “sheila”, if you will pardon the expression: The Christchurch Shootings Should Implicate All White Australians. Her final para of a tasteless, inane piece of scumbaggery:

White Australians may not be strictly answerable for Tarrant’s crime, but we have some big questions to ask ourselves. If you’re an Australian and reading this makes you feel defensive, you should ask them now.”

The only question I have asked myself after reading her hideous rant is how did she get to be such an absolute fool?

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39 Responses to Identity politics at its most absurd

  1. tombell

    activist wymin are in the forefront of stupidity in the modern era. and none would volunteer to put their lives at risk for their country.

  2. Snoopy

    I suggest we white Australians atone for the killings by sacrificing 50 of ourselves.

    I nominate Rachel Withers to be #1 on the list.

  3. max

    THE NEW RACISM
Chalcedon Position Paper No. 14
    By R. J. Rushdoony
    Racism is a relatively new fact on the world scene. In earlier eras, not race but religion was the basis of discrimination. Although religious history has been marred by ugly violence against other religious groups, and the history of the Christian church is no exception to this, there is a notable fact which is often forgotten. Missionary faiths, and supremely Christianity, normally seek to win other groups, not oppress them, and this missionary impulse has also provided, in many eras, a favorable cause for a friendly approach.
    In the modern era, as Christianity’s influence receded, and science began to govern together with humanism, biology came to predominate over theology. The differences between men were seen increasingly as biological and racial rather than religious. The earlier physical anthropologists made very precise and detailed physical studies of all peoples in order to establish the physical differences between races.
    The theory of evolution fueled this developing scientific racism and added still another important factor. Many theories began to hold to a multiple origin for the human race. Whereas in Scripture all men are descendants of Adam, in evolutionary thought, all men are possibly descendants of very differing evolutionary sources. Common descent in Adam meant a common creation, nature, and responsibility under God. The idea of multiple origins proved divisive. The human race was no longer the human race! It was a collection of possibly human races, a very different doctrine.
    It is important to recognize that racism was in origin a scientific doctrine. Whenever a scientific doctrine is discarded, as witness the idea of the acquired inheritance of environmental influences, the old scientific doctrine, as it lingers on in popular thought, is blamed on religion or popular superstition! The origins of racism are in very highly respectable scientific theorists. The fact that men like Houston Stewart Chamberlain (1855-1927), a British admiral’s son and son-in-law of Richard Wagner, took this scientific literature to develop what became the foundation of Nazi thought does not eliminate its scientific origins.
    The defeat of the Nazis did not end racism. Instead, it has again become respectable and widespread. We must remember that studies of Hitler’s Germany indicate that his support came from liberals, democrats, socialists, and the intellectual community. Scholars like Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn have ably exposed the myth of a conservative or rightist origin for Hitler’s support. The fact of Hitler’s antipathy to Christianity helped enlist support for him.
    The new racism is widespread and common to many peoples and to every continent. It has now become a part also of the religious vocabulary of many churchmen. Thus, in almost every seminary today, pompous professors rail against a missions program which would export “the white mentality” and European modes of thought. What is the white mentality, and what is the European mode of thought, as against the human, common to all men? If it is specifically white and European, it must be common to the pre-Christian European as a racial factor. The pre-Christian Saxons, for example, practiced human sacrifice, and more. Much more could be said about pre-Christian Europeans, but I have no desire to be flooded with angry letters (which I will discard without answer). No race born of Adam has a good history: this is the biblical fact, and the historical fact.
    The Western mind, common to Europe and the Americas, is a product, not of race, but of culture, religious culture. Elements of it, none too good, go back to the barbarian peoples of Europe. Other aspects are from Greek philosophy, again none too good. (The Greeks described all non-Greeks as barbarians on cultural, not racist, grounds. They gave brilliant and inventive slaves a Greek name and status.) The Western mind and culture, in all its advances, is a product of biblical religion. It is a religious, not a racial, product.

  4. pbw

    Mr Shorten urged Turkey’s leaders to heed to words of the founder of modern Turkey, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, inscribed at Anzac Cove…

    Bill must be extremely well informed about modern Turkey, to quote Ataturk to Erdoğan, an Islamist whose whole program has been the dismantling of Ataturk’s Westernisation, and the restoration of an aggressively Islamic State and culture, harking back to the former glories of the Ottoman empire. Good one, Bill. But of course, it wasn’t aimed at Erdoğan but to the Australian electorate. Who cares what effect it has in Turkey?

  5. Leo G

    Australia is by a long chalk the least racist country on the planet. People from everywhere just live here and rub on together.

    It’s only people from everywhere else who aren’t here who are racist.

  6. max

    Did Mr Erdogan comment on this or Australian news:

    On 27 January 2019, two bombs exploded at a church in the Philippines, killing 20 and injuring 100. The Islamic State terrorist group claimed responsibility for that bombing.

  7. Lilliana

    I wonder if the those responsible for killing thousands around the globe in terrorist attacks wallow in such guilt and self- hate. Rachel seems to be suffering from extreme cognitive dissonance.

  8. C.L.

    “Intemperate and regrettable remarks like this only play into the hands of those who seek to divide.”

    And that, after all, is the job of leftists in Australia.
    Classic demarcation dispute.

  9. Overburdened

    How about all the sack and ash cloth numpties fuck off?

  10. stackja

    C.L. – Yes, leftists want a divided Australia. History shows many events occurred that fed the leftists agenda. Anti-war 1914, 1940, 1975 election, etc etc

  11. Overburdened

    Moaning whiners wear sack cloth and ashes.
    The sack and ash cloth models are ordering you to be moaning whiners.

  12. tombell

    mind you let’s not forget it was Billy Boy who, during the submarine tendering fiasco, in union controlled outrage to the possibility of Oz choosing the (eminently sensible and affordable) soryu class diesel electric sub, said words to the effect “the last time a Japanese submarine was in Australian waters was 1942”. So a beacon of racial harmony Mr Shorten is not. This is just a cynical attempt for him to sound “statesman like”.

  13. max
    #2966340, posted on March 21, 2019 at 11:17 pm
    It is important to recognize that racism was in origin a scientific doctrine.

    According to the article you copy pasted from (common action by you) racism didn’t exist before the advent of the scientific method?
    People didn’t keep others as slaves and treat them as inferior beings before “science”?
    What a load of crap.

    I’m not surprised as it’s the academics and “perfessers” who’ve been undermining our societies for a long while now. The process has accelerated since the wymynses like that Rachel Withers sheila got in on the fray.

  14. Leo G

    I wonder if the those responsible for killing thousands around the globe in terrorist attacks wallow in such guilt and self- hate.

    Like the terrorists in those attacks, Rachel appears to hate the political targets of terrorism, not necessarily the actual victims of violence- but she doesn’t hate all the targets. She only hates the political targets who identify as “white”. Apparently that is sufficient to define them as “white supremacists”.
    Rachel does not consider herself a white supremacist of course- signaling hatred of white identifying Australians is her absolution.
    She is cowardly fellow travelling with terrorists.

  15. Nob

    tombell
    #2966370, posted on March 22, 2019 at 12:17 am
    a beacon of racial harmony Mr Shorten is not. This is just a cynical attempt for him to sound “statesman like”.

    Doing a better job of it than the actual PM it seems.

    He’ll get a free ride from the media too.

  16. Jannie

    Seems to me that the more diverse it gets, the more racist it gets.

  17. NuThink

    How does Rachel feel about the Senegalese Italian who tried to burn 51 Italian children to death on a bus on a highway? His reason, protesting the drownings of Africans crossing the Med.

  18. win

    Looking at the marchers ,the news and media in support of Muslims following the NZ atrocity you wonder if this is a group conversion to Islam assembly. Their silence,inaction and apparent lack of compassion to those non Muslms murdered in the name of religion around the world this week indicates where their sympathies lie.

  19. A Lurker

    If you do a little bit of research into Rachel Withers it is not hard to understand her viewpoint.
    She was highly active within the student union of the University of Victoria. So a Communist and Marxist to her boots. Now writing for a loony left magazine. Did you expect anything else?

  20. Iva Right

    The more this drags on and the longer I have to put up with the rantings of the leftards the less I care! Actually, completely over it so can we please move on!

  21. Iampeter

    Australia is by a long chalk the least racist country on the planet.

    While I agree regarding Australia generally, you’re posting this at the cat, where the same can’t be said.

    Also, with all the this talk of supporting walls to keep people out and the dangers of immigration, things might be changing for the worse in this area.

    The only question I have asked myself after reading her hideous rant is how did she get to be such an absolute fool?

    Her “rant” isn’t really different to your anti-immigrant posts here. Just collective guilt and punishment. Just collectivism.

  22. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Also, with all the this talk of supporting walls to keep people out and the dangers of immigration, things might be changing for the worse in this area.

    Border control policies and methods have nothing to do with this, iampeter. You are trolling.
    You are creating a straw man as a diversion. Borders have nothing intrinsically to do with racism.

    The Roman Empire fell as its borders collapsed. Why should Australia or the US fall like this?
    Borders maintain an economic and social system that can work for ALL of the citizens within.
    A lack of borders is a lack of economic control producing unlivable chaos. Lesson of history.
    Australia’s borders and plenty of controlled yet diverse immigration make Australia a fine country.

  23. flyingduk

    “Seems to me that the more diverse it gets, the more racist it gets”.

    Diversity Divides, as should be self evident.

  24. Boambee John

    Strange (or perhaps not so strange) that the modern fascist left has enthusiastically adopted one of the Imperial British tactics that they would have once bemoaned.

    Divide and conquer.

  25. max

    Baa Humbug

    According to the article you copy pasted from (common action by you) racism didn’t exist before the advent of the scientific method?
    People didn’t keep others as slaves and treat them as inferior beings before “science”?
    What a load of crap.




    In earlier eras, not race but religion was the basis of discrimination.



    Slavery in ancient Greece, Rome and other places differed from its modern forms in that it was not based on the basis of skin color or race.

  26. notafan

    Another theory is that racism originates with slave trading arabs aka muslims

    no coincidence that the arabic word for black and slave is the same

  27. Cynic of Ayr

    Funny, I was idly thinking yesterdiddy, that occasionally one reads or hears some attention-seeker saying, “I am ashamed to be an Australian,” over some deed done by some Australian somewhere at some time.
    Well I am proud to be an Australian, no matter what another Australian did!
    Although, I must admit, the antics of this sheila mentioned, does strain the leash a bit.

  28. max
    #2966741, posted on March 22, 2019 at 12:52 pm
    In earlier eras, not race but religion was the basis of discrimination

    No mate, not true. The earliest discrimination was due to the fear of pathogens and the fear that the stranger who came to your town – village – settlement might cut your throat in the middle of the night and take your possessions and women. Nothing to do with religion.

    In any case, your claim that slavery as practiced by the Romans was a different kind of slavery is piss weak.
    Let it go.

  29. Beachcomber

    win at 7:15 am

    Looking at the marchers ,the news and media in support of Muslims following the NZ atrocity you wonder if this is a group conversion to Islam assembly.

    It seems that way. ‘Hijab’ Adern and the media are leading them into submission.

  30. Mitchell Porter

    “Mr Erdogan had alleged Australian Brenton Tarrant was targeting Turkey during his attack on two Christchurch mosques”

    I haven’t looked into what Erdogan actually said, but in Tarrant’s manifesto, he does call for Erdogan to be killed (along with Merkel and Sadiq Khan), and warns Turks that Europe is going to recapture Constantinople and get rid of all the mosques. Erdogan would be entirely correct to think that Turks were a particular focus of Tarrant’s private ideology, even if none of the victims in New Zealand were.

  31. Elderly White Man From Skipton

    Erdogan is struggling to get re-elected and has gone 100% xenophobe. Nothing new there.
    Another thread of sectarian horseshit above. More of the usual.
    Kates seems to want all muslims to be terrorists but when one local Aussie nutjob commits terrorism it’s an exception. Duh.

  32. A Lurker

    Q. Is Jacinda Adhern a convert to Islam because the way she is carrying on seems to suggest just that.

  33. Tel

    Lurker … I’m guessing that the genuine Muslims are just as confused, shaking their heads and embarrassed as we are.

  34. Lilliana

    JA ‘s cultural appropriation is nauseating. She is turning into Trudeau.

  35. max

    for Baa Humbug:

    The rise of science in the seventeenth century challenged the authority of other forms of knowledge—such as revelation and meditation

    Racism, the attribution of inferiority to large natural groups of people, is a relatively recent idea. To the extent that ancient peoples held various groups in different degrees of regard, this was predicated on nonracial features—such as the ability to speak Greek, dignified behavior, or valor..

    The concept of race was a product of the rise of scientific biological taxonomy, which is the formal clustering of animals analytically into groups, along with a parallel dissolution of large groups of animals into their constituent smaller groups. Scientific racism, then, being predicated on newly emerging concepts of science and of race, must be regarded as a Euro–American product of the last three centuries. This obviously does not mean that group hatreds have not existed elsewhere and at other times, but only that they have usually not been based upon a theory of race and were not considered to be validated by science; they thus fall outside the scope of scientific racism.

    https://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/scientific-racism-history

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism

  36. max

    for Baa Humbug:

    The concept of race as a rough division of anatomically modern humans (Homo sapiens) has a long and complicated history. The word race itself is modern and was used in the sense of “nation, ethnic group” during the 16th to 19th centuries and acquired its modern meaning in the field of physical anthropology only from the mid-19th century.

    Dominant in ancient Greek and Roman conceptions of human diversity was the thesis that physical differences between different populations could be attributed to environmental factors.

    Chief among environmental causes for physical difference in the ancient period were climate and geography. Though thinkers in ancient civilizations recognized differences in physical characteristics between different populations, the general consensus was that all non-Greeks were barbarians. This barbarian status, however, was not thought to be fixed; rather, one could shed the ‘barbarian’ status simply by adopting Greek culture.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_race_concepts

  37. max

    for Baa Humbug:

    Slavery was a common practice in ancient Greece, as in other societies of the time. Some Ancient Greek writers (including, most notably, Aristotle) considered slavery natural and even necessary.

    There were four primary sources of slaves: war, in which the defeated would become slaves to the victorious unless a more objective outcome was reached; piracy (at sea); banditry (on land); and international trade.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Greece

    Roman slavery was not based on ideas of race. Slaves were drawn from all over Europe and the Mediterranean, including Gaul, Hispania, North Africa, Syria, Germany, Britannia, the Balkans, Greece, etc

    Rome differed from Greek city-states in allowing freed slaves to become citizens

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Rome#cite_ref-30

  38. max

    for Baa Humbug:

    The classical empires of Greece and Rome were based on slave labor. But ancient slavery was not viewed in racial terms. Slaves were most often captives in wars or conquered peoples. If we understand white people as originating in what is today Europe, then most slaves in ancient Greece and Rome were white.

    The principle that governed slavery in the ancient world was the idea that captives of war may either be killed or their lives might be spared and they would become slaves. If you lost a war, the price that the soldiers and the civilians paid was that they might be enslaved. This “captives of war” slavery had nothing to do with race or color.

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