The PM’s finest hour: his interview with Waleed Aly

An amazing interview, that starts slowly but truly builds. The PM has the better of the argument and represented Australia just as it is. Meanwhile Waleed is trying to be as divisive as he possibly can, challenging the PM’s good faith at every turn. The PM defended himself, his Party and our country extremely well. He is clearly exasperated by the stupidity and ill-will of the interviewer, who spends oceans of time over utterly irrelevant issues, such as whether there will be a preference deal with One Nation at the next election.

I now really like Scott Morrison. He took  Waleed head on, completely routing him on every point he raised.

And don’t forget this bit of background as you watch the interview.

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61 Responses to The PM’s finest hour: his interview with Waleed Aly

  1. stackja

    I didn’t watch it. The MSM giving ScoMo a fail over ‘hatred’!

  2. mh

    I’ll watch later to see Morrison’s performance.

    I already knew that Wally was a wanker.

  3. areff

    This comment, spotted in the Oz thread, begs to differ:

    Morrison says, placing his government in counterpoint, that many Australians don’t “get” Islam, thereby assuring Waleed that the government is woke to diversity and ain’t “othering” anyone.

    And there is his problem and the reason he is on a hiding to nothing come election day. An astute PM would have said something like this:

    “Waleed, you once wrote that terrorism is no more than an ‘irritation’. Well it is a bit more than that to be held hostage in a coffee shop, stabbed in suburban Melbourne, held hostage in Brighton, run down in Bourke Street or shot in the head when leaving work in Parramatta.
    The comment below, just spotted in the Oz thread, sees things otherwise:

    “All those incidents were the work of people adhering to what they believe to be the Koran’s instructions.

    “If you want to end this perception amongst non-Muslim Australians, encourage a reformation amongst your co-religionists.”

    Alas, for all Morrison’s turn-it-up-to11 feistiness, he lacks the wit and backbone to say what the Australians being frisked and bag-searched as they entered the MCG last night know all too well: unreformed Islam = trouble.

  4. Linden

    Talk back callers on 3AW this morning with Mitchell when he asked what they thought, have all backed Morrison.

  5. John Bayley

    unreformed Islam = trouble.

    FIFY.
    Islam cannot be reformed. The Q’uran is the Word of God and cannot be changed.

  6. a happy little debunker

    Waleed, will you please let me answer one question?

    No.

    (22.52)

  7. C.L.

    Bill Shorten is still taking money from the CFMEU, despite the latter’s child r-ape policy.
    Waleed has nothing to say about that.

  8. Roger

    Alas, for all Morrison’s turn-it-up-to11 feistiness, he lacks the wit and backbone to say what the Australians being frisked and bag-searched as they entered the MCG last night know all too well: unreformed Islam = trouble.

    We’re actually in the midst of an Islamic reformation – they’re going back to the Quran and their traditions.

    That’s the cause of the problem.

  9. Big_Nambas

    I stopped watching Waleed years ago and can’t understand why anyone would waste their time with his drivel

    Islam cannot be reformed. The Q’uran is the Word of God and cannot be changed.

    And there is the problem spelled out short and simple!!

  10. C.L.

    As quoted in The Australian …

    Asked whether Australia has a problem with Islamophobia, Mr Morrison acknowledged the nation may not understand the faith as well as it could.

    “I don’t know if Australians understand Islam very well, and that can often lead to the fear of things that you don’t understand, so by definition that’s what it leads to,” he said.

    Oh we understand it alright.

  11. Mark M

    Waleed Aly, 2013, Atlanta Bombing:

    “In its place is a far more sober, pragmatic recognition that terrorism is a perpetual irritant, and that while it is tragic and emotionally lacerating, it kills relatively few people and is not any kind of existential threat.”

    https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/blogs/tim-blair/irritantism/news-story/03dbf6735049a988d0e3f0812075c319

    Waleed Aly March 16, 2019, Christchurch attack:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aenKvQtrM1k

    0.21 “I’m scared”.

    What? Scared of an “existential threat”?
    Scared of a “perpetual irritant”?

    Spare me, you opportunistic hypocrite.

    I see what you did there.

  12. Mother Lode

    Das Projekt and Channel 10 like to hold up Waleed as the erudite academic type such as they may have seen on TV shows.

    I just don’t see it. Is there any record of him uttering a single new idea? Rather than established progressive doctrine delivered in a caricature professorial style?

    He is just a pretentious garrulous wanker.

  13. Roger

    Is there any record of him uttering a single new idea?

    He has a PhD, so someone in academe has credited him with original research.

    His thesis title was: ‘Towards a structuration theory of global terrorism”.

  14. Robber Baron

    I watched two massive egos bump.

    I’m voting for neither of these two hypocrites. Neither represent my views.

  15. bollux

    Aly talks a lot and thinks it makes him intelligent. How Morrison didn’t lean over the table and do an “Anning” on him speaks volumes for his self control. I dislike Morrison a little less now, but I hope he realises he will never be able to do enough to appease pricks like ALY.

  16. Speedbox

    I don’t normally watch The Project as I can’t stand the pretentious Aly and the program’s Lefty bias is intensely annoying but, last night, I did.

    On another thread, I posted these remarks:

    OMG. Watching now. Morrison came in looking for a fireside chat. Tie off and slouching in a chair. Aly, tie on, sitting back straight is eating him alive.

    ……..
    If there was any hope, no matter how slim, that that Libs might be returned at the election or perhaps minimise the damage, that idea has been vaporised by a weak, wrong-footed PM who has been totally out maneuvered by Aly.
    In the ad break at the end, on comes Clive Palmer sprouting about Making Australia Great Again! FMD, you can’t make this stuff up.

    ……..
    Morrison’s handlers must be cringing. Shorten and Co will be cock-a-hoop – they won’t be able to believe their luck. Morrison looked anything but ‘Prime Ministerial’. Generally, he allowed, or didn’t stand firm against, Aly talking over the top of him; was badgered when he didn’t answer the question to Aly’s satisfaction; vacillated when he should have been firm; seemed to almost loose his composure over the issue of preferences…….it was a f*cking train wreck.

    There is now no doubt, if there ever was any, that Shorten will be the next PM with everything that entails. Prepare yourself and your finances in the most appropriate manner relevant to your circumstances.

    ……..

    My politics are well to the Right of Morrison and you could argue that nothing he said would salve my contempt for him and the current Liberal Party. That may be true but my over-riding impression was of a man who was anything but Prime Ministerial. Once again, he was trying to appeal to ‘everyone’ but in particular the inner-city Lefty crowd who would normally be The Project’s demographic. Is it too much to ask that our PM look and act like he actually owns the role? Is it too much to ask that he present himself and assert authority in his answers? Apparently yes.

    As much as I didn’t particularly like Hawke or Keating, they would never accept the drubbing from Aly. Neither would Howard. I stand by my earlier posts – this was a train wreck. Get ready for a Shorten Government.

  17. bespoke

    Morrison handled himself well though I wish the hold the MSM has over the narrative was broken. See if Aly has the guts to have a debate about this on natural territory with out him in control.

  18. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Mark M at 10:15 am:

    “Spare me, you opportunistic hypocrite.”

    and from Mother Lode at 10:16 am:

    “Das Projekt and Channel 10 like to hold up Waleed as the erudite academic type such as they may have seen on TV shows.

    He is just a pretentious garrulous wanker.”

    This greaser and his fake medieval death cult missus are all of that – a sleeper cell for the emerging custodians of Australia hidden in plain sight – yet Morrison and every other pea heart in a position of power and influence in the country forms a conga line to be lectured by the giant nobody. I long for a Keating-like response, delivered with his characteristic fearless, genuine menace “Why would I want to waste my time talking to you, you stupid foul-mouthed grub?”

    In consulting my Keating library I came across this apt quote (for Morrison and Turnbull before him) from Barry Jones, Labor Minister for Science:

    “In the area of understanding, thinking and responding as a nation we appear to be mildly retarded.”

  19. Arky

    An appeaser and a propagandist.
    Nothing intelligent to see here.

  20. Up The Workers!

    Australia doesn’t need to understand and adapt to the barbarity of Middle Eastern life in the 6th century – Western society is now living in the 21st century.

    Islam needs to understand how to live in the civilised world of the 21st century.

  21. Gbees

    One has to be clear that Muslims aren’t the issue, it’s Islam.

    Questioning the tenets of Islam doesn’t mean one dislikes Muslims.

    Islam is an ideology, not just a religion. It needs thorough investigation and exposure to debate. There’s plenty of anti-Islam sentiment around the World, and rightly so, but this does not translate into anti-Muslim sentiment.

    Politicians fall into the trap of lumping the two together. Pauline Hanson is being criticised for calling Islam a disease. This might be a correct definition for Islam, but it doesn’t mean that Pauline thinks Muslims are a disease.

  22. Gbees

    C.L.
    #2966589, posted on March 22, 2019 at 10:09 am

    Asked whether Australia has a problem with Islamophobia, Mr Morrison acknowledged the nation may not understand the faith as well as it could.

    a. Islamophobia – strictly means a fear of Islam. People should be afraid, very, very afraid.
    b. faith – Islam is not just a faith.

    ScoMo should set the scene correctly. He should state that he has absolutely no problem with Muslims, and that his problem is with the ideology (theocracy) of Islam.

  23. jupes

    What a fucking appeaser.

    First he immediately and falsely called the terrorist “right wing”, then he gets sucked in by a Muslim to admit that there is nothing to fear from Islam. Of course most Aussies are too ignorant to know this however he himself is glad they are here and he loves to hang out in mosques.

  24. Terry

    @ Roger
    ” a single new idea?”

    “someone in academe has credited him with original research”

    These are not the same thing.

  25. Rob MW

    Watched it. Mr Aly obviously has a sincere aversion to objectivity gleaned from the equivalence of differing realities.

  26. Terry

    @ Arky
    “An appeaser and a propagandist.”

    Neville Chamberlain “interviewed” by Lord Haw Haw.

    Gripping TV – not.

  27. a happy little debunker

    Islam is an ideology

    Islam is a religious following
    Islam is a political ideology
    Islam is a cultural practice

    Criticising Christians is not called Christophobia.
    Criticising ‘One Nation’ is not called Hansophobia
    Criticising the AFL is not called Footy-phobia

    Phobias are an irrational fear – fear of being in a crashing plane is not a phobia, it is quite rational – when you are 40 000 feet in the air and have forfeited all controls.

    Is fear of Islam (be it cultural, religious or political) irrational?

  28. Terry

    @GBees

    “a. Islamophobia – strictly means a fear of Islam”

    For ANYTHING to be described as a phobia, the fear must be extreme and/or irrational.

    “Islam is not just a faith”

    Indeed. No one has an issue with the “faith” aspect. Believe want you want, so long as you don’t impose your views upon me.

    The problem is Islam as ideology and its implicit demands that everyone else submit to their will.

    There is nothing extreme nor irrational about seeing Islam for exactly what it is and taking precautions to protect our civilisation against that threat.

    In fact, it is both extreme and irrational to want to not protect ourselves; to submit. Insane even.

  29. Cynic of Ayr

    I started to watch, then WallyWanker’s face came on, and I stopped.
    Why on fucking earth did Morrison agree to an interview with this smarmy little shit?
    I know why. Because Morrison is so stupid, so unaware, so up himself, that he thinks he can sway the opinions of the lefty luvvis watching this crap.
    The stupid bastard doesn’t realise that he will never, ever, change the votes of the left.
    The stupid bastard doesn’t realise that he has lost conservative votes, and there are no left votes to replace them.
    The stupid bastard has no clue, despite it starting him in the face every day on blogs such as this, how to get that conservative vote back.
    The stupid bastard doesn’t realise that he cannot play for both teams at the same time. He’s either a Conservative or a Socialist. You can’t be both. Labor knows this, that’s why they never deny they are Socialists. There is no middle ground for them.
    I don’t care if Morrison won the debate, or lost it. If he allowed Wanker to control the interview as opined, then he did, by definition, lose it.
    But it doesn’t matter, because it changes nothing!
    People are still against islam, because of it’s ideology and record of atrocity. Wanker reinforces that dislike.
    People are still cranky at being told that muslims are a very small part of the population, then in the next breath, being told of the millions of dollars being spent on them, because they might feel a bit depressed that people don’t like them.
    (Or as Morrison said, “understand them.” I agree, “Oh, we understand them all right!”)
    People are still cranky that this Climate Change Scam is still going on.
    People are still cranky at paying untold millions into renewable energy schemes that have done, and will do, nothing to the Climate.
    People are cranky that school kids, mouthing and repeating what their teacher told them to say, are considered to be smart.
    People are cranky that teachers can do this. The teachers can take kids out of school, when their job is to keep them in school, and are not, in any slight way, reprimanded by Morrison, or any other Liberal tugger.
    This interview was a waste of Morrison’s time.

  30. Shy Ted

    Whether he goes on the ABC or The Project he’s talking to hardcore lefties and won’t pick any votes. Meanwhile the liberal base…

  31. Lilliana

    Cynic of AyrCynic of Ayr
    #2966739,

    I think you have summed up the situation perfectly. Morrison should have gone on the attack. Appeasing muslim apologists will only lead to greater demands for special treatment. Morrision should have gone full Keating.
    According to the hysterical left every white person on this planet should wallowing in guilt.

  32. Ellen of Tasmania

    The problem is Islam as ideology and its implicit demands that everyone else submit to their will.

    “The Most Intolerant Wins: The Dictatorship of the Small Minority”

    “It suffices for an intransigent minority –a certain type of intransigent minorities –to reach a minutely small level, say three or four percent of the total population, for the entire population to have to submit to their preferences. Further, an optical illusion comes with the dominance of the minority: a naive observer would be under the impression that the choices and preferences are those of the majority.”

    https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15

  33. Credit where credit is due.
    In the earlier thread I had asked Sinc to follow up (on his folly) and he did.

  34. Ubique

    My politics are well to the Right of Morrison

    Speedbox, it’s sad to say that could still place your politics to the left of centre. Cheers.

  35. billie

    Walleed is popular .. he wins

    The PM is not popular .. he can’t win

    We are in an Idiocracy, get used to it .. truth, fact, whatever are meaningless now, all that matters is popularity (and feelings)

  36. Deplorable


    Gbees
    #2966692, posted on March 22, 2019 at 11:56 am
    One has to be clear that Muslims aren’t the issue, it’s Islam.

    Questioning the tenets of Islam doesn’t mean one dislikes Muslims.

    From Wiki.
    One and the same it seems

    “Muslim” is an Arabic word meaning “submitter” (to God). The largest denomination of Islam are Sunni Muslims who constitute 85-90% of the total Muslim population, followed by the Shia who make up most of the remainder of Muslims.

  37. The Fifth Bike Rider of the Apocalypse

    Cynic of Ayr…

    Amen Cynic of Ayr. Amen.

  38. Squirrel

    No prizes for guessing how last night’s encounter has been framed on this afternoon’s 10 News First – for the benefit of all those punters who are still wondering why Scott Cam is campaigning to be re-elected as PM when he already had the far more important job of hosting The Block…….

  39. egg_

    We are in an Idiocracy

    That’s Squalid’s audience, right there…

  40. Critical Mass

    Waleed Aly – spite looking for a grievance on which to latch.

  41. Tel

    “The Most Intolerant Wins: The Dictatorship of the Small Minority”

    If you believe in this concept and you also believe that the world is older than a few hours … why hasn’t this already become the dominant paradigm and we are all maximally intolerant of everything?

    Or to put that into Engineering terms: how did this thing ever work?

  42. None

    Jeff Kennett and Mark Latham call out Waleed Aly for being the extreme left antfucker that he is https://mobile.twitter.com/sunriseon7/status/1108830578357338112

  43. Crossie

    There was a saying that you were known by the company you kept, these day we can say that you are known by the enemies you make. Recently ScoMo has been making the right kind of enemies but he is still not clever enough to keep his mouth shut when asked about swapping preferences with One Nation. He is also not clever enough to realise that Labor are not being asked the same question when pretty much half of the One Nation voters direct their preferences that way.

    Moral of the story, do not alienate people who could be useful to you, just STFU.

  44. Crossie

    That’s Squalid’s audience, right there…
    Critical Mass
    #2967092, posted on March 22, 2019 at 6:59 pm
    Waleed Aly – spite looking for a grievance on which to latch.

    Even when he won the Gold Logie he couldn’t refrain from shitting on the people who voted for him.

  45. Candy

    PM Morrison did well. A hard gig for him but he handled it well.

  46. Crossie

    This greaser and his fake medieval death cult missus are all of that – a sleeper cell for the emerging custodians of Australia hidden in plain sight – yet Morrison and every other pea heart in a position of power and influence in the country forms a conga line to be lectured by the giant nobody.

    Yes, ScoMo is too stupid to realise that his potential and erstwhile voters do not watch The Project and Waleed. He us reaching out to the wrong constituency and ignoring those he could sway if he were brave enough. So stupid and timid does not look like a winner.

  47. Crossie

    Candy
    #2967178, posted on March 22, 2019 at 8:45 pm
    PM Morrison did well. A hard gig for him but he handled it well.

    No, he dignified that little pipsqueak with his presence, he would have done better to have insulted him back on Twitter instead.

  48. Jannie

    I tried to watch a bit but couldn’t hack it. Life is too short.

  49. BorisG

    Yes, ScoMo is too stupid to realise that his potential and erstwhile voters do not watch The Project and Waleed.

    Judging by this thread, quite a lot of them do. If not live, then on YouTube

  50. BorisG

    Also those who complain about the wrong audience do not understand Australian political system. Because of compulsory our politicians cannot win just by firing up the base. They need to fish among swing voters.

    In places with voluntary voting it is more important to fire up the base, so they turn out t9 votefor you. Not in Australia.

    And then what will the Liberal base do? Preference Labor? If they (you) do, you will have only yourselves to blame for Labor/Green government.

  51. BorisG

    And if ScoMo is not good enough for you, just wait for Plibersex government.

  52. Rob

    And if ScoMo is not good enough for you, just wait for Plibersex government.

    Awesome, will it have a Minister for Drug Importation?

  53. egg_

    And if ScoMo is not good enough for you, just wait for Plibersex government.

    The polls say otherwise, Einstein?

  54. BorisG

    The polls say otherwise, Einstein?

    So? What’s your point ?

  55. BorisG

    People are still against islam, People are still cranky…

    That is the reason they vote Labor?

  56. Mon

    These words were published in August 2014, in a magazine on board a flight from Melbourne.
    Waleed Aly
    Let passion drive you opposite to everything told to do.
    I don’t have a routine. I don’t set goals.
    You can’t allow the value of what you do and who you are to be based on the judgement of other people.
    But that doesn’t mean you become blind to feed back.

    This was when he was becoming ‘known’, and whilst doing his bits at University he was not well like by other within the academic circles.

  57. struth

    Sorry, if your happy with Sco Mo’s performance there, you’ve set the bar way too low.

    Could only watch the first few minutes.

    People know a salesman talking shit to get the sale wqhen they see one.
    Or at least most people do.
    I’ll bet you’ll find he’s very turnoff-able.
    The Liberal party are done, and he is a nobody.

  58. struth

    Absolute snot.

    Garbage.
    You can tell Sco Mo was a salesman.
    I only got through a few minutes of that.

    If being a submissive double talker to Islam is our PM at his best, the bar is way , way, too low.

  59. PB

    So, when did Waleed Aly become the conscience of Australia?

  60. Bruce

    “He has a PhD,”

    In anything other than core science, mathematics and engineering, PhD stands for “Piled higher and Deeper”.

    I’m married to someone with a PhD in Analytical Chemistry; academic comparisons to the basket-weavers is extremely odious, to say the least.

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