Open Forum: March 23, 2019

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  1. Mater

    Hey Bob,
    What do you reckon of Ardern’s police having a women guarding the cemetery (where the massacre funerals are taking place) with, what I can only assume is a full loaded assault rifle, strapped to her non master shoulder for the sake of a propaganda stunt?

    Do you think she could react appropriately to any incident?

    Do you think this might pose a potential risk to the public?

    Should they should remove assault weapons from the police because they appear to be allowing these weapons to be carried inappropriately?

  2. Is purging the social media accounts of the unsound and deplorable the Bookburning of these times?

    Yep.

    And this blog is the underground printing press of days past.

  3. OldOzzie

    After the Mueller Report

    Keep in mind the story that isn’t being told: the FBI’s mucking around in the 2016 election.

    While Washington sizzles over news that the Mueller report is now in the hands of Attorney General William Barr, it pays to remember the other big intrigue from the 2016 election. You won’t find this column arguing that it was ever realistic that Hillary Clinton might be charged for email-related crimes. It was even less likely when her opponent became Donald Trump. Still, the inner workings of the project of finessing Hillary’s email vulnerability should be especially resonant now.

    The man who deliberately sought the Mueller investigation, FBI Director James Comey, was key to that finessing and also had every reason to want to change the subject from his own role in the 2016 race. And we know that the same small circle of FBI headquarters personnel who worked on the Hillary investigation also gave birth to the Trump investigation that would be handed over to special counsel Robert Mueller.

    So what have we learned that’s new? In just the past few weeks, the release of a congressional interview with FBI lawyer Lisa Page revealed two ways the FBI tried unsuccessfully to resist attempts by the Obama administration to influence its questioning of Mrs. Clinton.

    We also know, thanks to a combination of press reporting and public disclosure, that Mr. Comey himself possessed what appeared to be direct evidence, from a Russian source, of a scheme to fix the Clinton investigation involving Obama Attorney General Loretta Lynch. What also seems clear from the public record, including the public report of the Justice Department’s own inspector general, is that the FBI had little interest in finding out if the information was true, false or a Russian plant.

    Instead Mr. Comey, as he told us himself, seized on it as a justification for his protocol-busting intrusion into the Clinton case to convince the American people that the investigation was not fixed.

    His first intervention led to his second intervention, in some ways the weirdest, in which Mr. Comey reopened the Hillary case just before Election Day, believing Mrs. Clinton was certain to win. Now pollsters tell us this action may have inadvertently tilted the race to Mr. Trump.

    The press is not interested in this story, thanks in no small part to the Mueller-Russia distraction.

    The Mueller report itself is not likely to say anything about any of this, though it represents the most consequential if indirect way Russian intelligence activities influenced the election.

    The Justice Department’s own inspector general, Michael Horowitz, author of a secret report on these matters, told Congress that it was not his decision to classify the information at “such a high level.” “We very much want the committee to see this information,” he testified.

    His comment has gone virtually unreported in the U.S. media.

    This is not the place to trace how the Steele dossier begat the Mueller investigation, but it clearly did, as well as the previous FBI “counterintelligence” investigation of the Trump campaign, which Mr. Mueller inherited.

    Because the dossier spells the names of some of Mr. Trump’s associates correctly, to this day some in the press insist on writing that “many of the allegations in the Steele dossier have been corroborated.”

    They haven’t been. The dossier remains one of the biggest red herrings in American history, a thing that had no provenance that the U.S. press should have respected. Whether by accident or design, it has occluded this more important story.

    Our media continues to obsess over a document any 9-year-old with Google and an inkjet printer could have created. Yet the press has no interest in a secret government report that details how a piece of dubious Russian intelligence was used by the FBI to meddle ineptly in a U.S. presidential election.

    At this late hour reporters even now cling to the hope that Mr. Mueller will validate the improbable Steele allegations. Our language casually refers to the “news media,” but many in the media wouldn’t know news if it bit them in the rear end. That’s not their job. To them, the “story” is whatever the social animals in their milieu say it is, even if it rests on something as fundamentally flimsy and anonymous as the Steele dossier (notice even its putative author has no interest in making the rounds to defend his work).

    I am not alleging partisan bias here, partly because portraying Mr. Trump’s victory as a fluke occasioned by the actions of Mr. Comey fits neither side’s preferred narrative. I am alleging a media groupthink that has many reporters falling-down drunk with credulity for the Steele allegations even as the real story passes them by. Let’s hope once the Mueller red herring has been reeled in, the press will start doing its job again and get to the bottom of the FBI’s deranged actions in the 2016 race.

    Appeared in the WSJ March 23, 2019, print edition.

  4. Old School Conservative

    Sky News reported the worker, a paid Liberal volunteer, inadvertently began working in the voting booth and handled ballot papers instead of handing how to vote cards as intended. from The Oz.

    So much to like about this.

    Someone thinks volunteers get paid.
    Polling booths are a free for all.
    An adult can’t tell the difference between ballot papers and how to vote cards.
    The electoral commission is incompetent.
    The potential for voter fraud is massive.

  5. Viva

    The role of the hijab in early Islam was to cover and distinguish free believing women from non believers, whores and slaves in order to stop harassment by men.

    Apparently it was orignally an act of hauteur not necessarily just among Muslims – that a lady would not be gazed upon by the peasantry

  6. John Constantine

    The Samizcat

    Samizdat (Russian: самиздат, lit. “self-publishing”) was a form of dissident activity across the Eastern Bloc in which individuals reproduced censored and underground publications by hand and passed the documents from reader to reader. This grassroots practice to evade official Soviet censorship was fraught with danger, as harsh punishments were meted out to people caught possessing or copying censored materials. Vladimir Bukovsky summarized it as follows: “Samizdat: I write it myself, edit it myself, censor it myself, publish it myself, distribute it myself, and spend jail time for it myself.”[1]

    Comrades.

  7. egg_

    In the intermediate future, the Liberal Party will, I suspect, look sideways at Premier Berejiklian and work out the chances of a premier who fell across the line this time, managing to win again next time. The likely conclusion is that she is unlikely to – and my pound to your peanut says that the leadership merry-go-round that has featured as the main attraction at the Liberal Party’s federal showground will be making a visit to Macquarie Street in the next two or three years.

    Fitz looks like another rolled gold Wrongologist.
    Wishful thinking, Pete?

  8. Snoopy

    Gladys will easily outlast the dead man walking. There’s no reason for Labor insiders to hold back now about his alleged alcohol fuelled(?) anger issues.

  9. one old bruce

    Australian conservatives really need to find our own path, different from our British roots but also ignoring a great deal of American debate. The British because they failed us, quintessentially in Singapore 1942, and now they are obviously failing their own people and falling into a frustrating inability to act at all.

    But also the Americans because when they divorced themselves from pragmatic British thought they jumped in the deep end with German theorists like Hegel (yeah, who?). I am looking at a new study of Woodrow Wilson by Ronald J. Pestritto (via Powerline, “Wilson and the roots of modern liberalism”) who is very knowledgeable and erudite, but I am just stunned to hear how much Hegel influenced the US leaders like Wilson.

    British Liberalism of course comes mostly from JS Mill (see Steve Kates) and his predecessors back to Locke and Hume: Empiricism and skepticism, judging things by their results not by conforming to some Platonic/Cartesian abstraction of whose mental gymnastics Hegel was the master. We just don’t need all this stuff and never did. So we can’t just adopt American ‘conservative’ debates wholesale into our traditions because they have so much which is irrelevant to us. The only ‘Hegelians’ we ever had in Australia were the Commos who were loyal to a foreign power and that’s all we need to know about them I say.

  10. rickw

    Do you think she could react appropriately to any incident?

    Do you think this might pose a potential risk to the public?

    Should they should remove assault weapons from the police because they appear to be allowing these weapons to be carried inappropriately?

    The Police should not be allowed any weapons. How else do you maintain Policing by consensus?

    At the Lindt Cafe, Police inflicted plenty of casualties, this is a function of two things, their competence, and the fact that they are always last to arrive to an incident. An armed citizen at the scene is much better placed than Police on both these points.

    Personally in LHR I saw a Policewoman idly flicking on and off the safety of her MP5 while chatting to her colleague. Less and less Police have been handling firearms their whole life, safe handling is not hard wired in. eg. How many Vikpol officers shot themselves when the transitioned from the largely idiot proof revolver to the less than idiot proof Glock. As far as I know no private citizen in Victoria has ever managed to accidentally shoot themselves with a Glock and yet Vikpol almost managed to get into double digits.

    In addition, with the latest trend in 5ft tall lightly built Policewoman, the muzzie’s have no doubt worked out that they actually have access to plenty of guns when they need them. Little more than gun dispensers. They will now be able to get assault rifles via this route. 800 to be precise.

  11. Dr Faustus

    Sliding house prices and faltering economic conditions have sparked a resurgence in the “widow maker” bet, as fund managers pour millions into short positions against the major banks and regional lenders.

    The financial market factoring in Shortenfairness.

    The Grey Nomad market was ahead of the curve. Pickles has auctions lined up to dispose of hundreds of high-end caravans/motorhomes from six RV sales businesses that failed when retirees suddenly stopped buying last year after they factored in the risk of Shorten to their superannuation income.

    An economic shitstain even before taking office.

  12. Peter Campion

    O-oh, Rowan Dean’s gonna be in strife.

    With Cats because he called H1tler “right wing”.

    With the entire loony left because he just cricised 1slam.

  13. one old bruce

    One of the big problems I find with JS Mill is how much of a masochistic feminist he turned into with his weird wife. Nerds like Mill have funny fetishes. Unfortunately Mill’s feminism arises right out of his concept of liberalism. What say you Steve Kates? No hurry, but we should all talk about this I say.

  14. rickw:

    In addition, with the latest trend in 5ft tall lightly built Policewoman, the muzzie’s have no doubt worked out that they actually have access to plenty of guns when they need them. Little more than gun dispensers. They will now be able to get assault rifles via this route. 800 to be precise.

    I’ve felt this for a long time – how do resistance fighters get weapons?
    They find them on the battlefield, get them from allies, or take them from the other side.
    Unfortunately, if that situation arose in Australia, a lot of coppers would be targets of insurgents of a particular religion of peace, and could quite easily pay with their lives for their inadequate training.
    I’m reminded of the quote from some bank robber when he was asked “Why do you rob banks?”
    “Because that’s where the money is?”

  15. Infidel Tiger

    Can’t believe Trump hasn’t tweeted.

    Storm coming.

  16. Old School Conservative

    a premier who fell across the line this time

    Is Fitzy stupid or purposely dissembling?
    It was losses by the Nationals that put pressure on Gladys. Perhaps Coogee could fall, but no other Liberal seat was lost.

  17. Des Deskperson

    ‘Fitz looks like another rolled gold Wrongologist.
    Wishful thinking, Pete?’

    Thanks for this, egg: it’s also a lovely example of his turgid, senile, try-hard prose.

    And the sad bit is that he has clearly put a lot of hard work into this para. If he wasn’t such a thick-skinned, self intoxicated, privileged oaf, I’d feel a bit sorry for him.

  18. Old School Conservative

    “pounds to peanuts” was a well used phrase in my parent’s house back in the early 60’s.
    Maybe Fitzy has dementia.

    (I think it was up there with “London to a brick”)

  19. Boambee John

    one old bruce at 1038

    but we should all talk about this I say.

    That’s “have a conversation” bruce.

  20. Arky

    We just don’t need all this stuff and never did. So we can’t just adopt American ‘conservative’ debates wholesale into our traditions because they have so much which is irrelevant to us.

    ..
    We are irrelevant.
    When the US is no longer able to project force down here we are gone.

  21. bespoke

    The manifesto? Well, best read it yourselves. I doubt that most of the journalists writing about this matter have gone through it. You will find it hardly “right-wing.” It comes off as a solidly leftist document by an intelligent, half-educated, sociopath. The writing style is, at times, disjointed and definitely narcissistic. He clearly thinks this action will gain him fame, just like that of his idol the Norwegian mass killer of 2011. All or most of his knowledge (will discuss further below) seems to come from the internet and some limited traveling, much of it, it apparently, to Muslim countries using money from some bit coin scam/transaction. He, overwhelmingly, uses ludicrous fascist/communist language with a heavy dose of classic authoritarian “ecofascism” of the sort promoted by the US Democrat party in the “Green New Deal.”

    Yes, killer-boy is an environmentalist.

  22. Arky

    Look to Rhodesia, South Africa and the UK.
    When, for political reasons, the US was unable to help them, they fall very quickly to foriegn powers.
    The US, and US politics, is the only thing that matters.

  23. JC

    Pretty interesting to see the NYPD has a rep in Sydney.

    Within hours, said Thomas Galati, the NYPD’s chief of intelligence, “we were getting real-time information coming in from New Zealand.” That was partly the result of what he called the NYPD’s “great relationship” with the New Zealand police, whose head, Mike Bush, has visited the NYPD’s counterterrorism bureau. Information also came from the NYPD’s detective stationed in Sydney, Australia. He and other internationally stationed NYPD detectives—others are posted in London, Paris, Madrid, Tel Aviv, and the United Arab Emirates—work with local police and gather information about terrorism that could affect New York. Within hours of the attack, he was enroute from Sydney to New Zealand at the invitation of police there.

    https://www.city-journal.org/nypd-security-religious-institutions

  24. Atoms for Peace

    Did Fitz bang on like this when the slapper didn’t fall over the line and had to be rescued by two who shall remain nameless ?

  25. Boambee John

    From Mark Steyn

    It started in April 2016, when it became clear that Trump was going to win the Republican nomination. The Hillary campaign and the DNC gave millions of dollars to Marc Elias, a Clinton lawyer, who in turn hired Fusion GPS, who in turn hired former MI6 agent Christopher Steele. Why use Mr Elias as a cutout? Because Hillary and the DNC could then itemize the expense as “legal services” rather than list payments to Mr Steele, which would be in breach of federal law…

    m0nty has been vewwy vewwt fierce about alleged campaign finance violations by the Trump campaign.

    Strangely, he has said nothing about this. Hey m0nty, is this worse than paying off a blackmailing over-the-hill pron star?

  26. OldOzzie

    bespoke
    #2968486, posted on March 24, 2019 at 10:49 am

    The manifesto? Well, best read it yourselves. I doubt that most of the journalists writing about this matter have gone through it. You will find it hardly “right-wing.” It comes off as a solidly leftist document by an intelligent, half-educated, sociopath.

    to – Yes, killer-boy is an environmentalist.

    Add

    Sorry Media-The New Zealand Mosque shooter is no Right-Winger

    Almost immediately after the news of the terrorist attack against the Christchurch Mosque broke, the media, along with elected officials in several nations, labeled the shooter a right-winger. A careful examination of the shooter’s manifesto will prove this claim to be completely inaccurate.

    Mostly the media bases this claim on the mistaken belief that Fascism is a Right-Wing phenomenon. I discussed this distortion at length in this article.

  27. Snoopy

    Sorry Media-The New Zealand Mosque shooter is no Right-Winger

    Journalists have courageously read the manifesto at great risk to themselves and declared otherwise.

  28. Des Deskperson

    ‘“pounds to peanuts” was a well used phrase in my parent’s house back in the early 60’s.
    Maybe Fitzy has dementia.’

    I hadn’t heard it before, and I grew up in Victoria. I’d assumed it wasn’t Fitz’s own work.

    My impression is that these sorts of oral and literary anachronisms tend to linger on in privileged and enclosed institutions like private schools and the sports that are associated with them. That’s the milieu that Fitz comes from.

  29. dover_beach

    British Liberalism of course comes mostly from JS Mill (see Steve Kates) and his predecessors back to Locke and Hume: Empiricism and skepticism, judging things by their results not by conforming to some Platonic/Cartesian abstraction

    A discussion of this sort will get nowhere with these sort of generalizations. The schoolmen did nothing of the sort, nor did the Platonist, nor the Cartesians. And if you think Locke or Hume never engaged in abstraction and only ‘judged things by their results’ you are kidding yourself.

  30. cohenite

    At the Lindt Cafe, Police inflicted plenty of casualties, this is a function of two things, their competence, and the fact that they are always last to arrive to an incident. An armed citizen at the scene is much better placed than Police on both these points.

    Good comment rickw. A 2012 study of public shootings showed that the average fatality when they were resolved by wallopers was over 14 including the perps while when resolved by armed citizens was 2.

  31. Fleeced

    The NS electoral commision is only counting results of 7 parties in the legislative council to begin with. It will not even BEGIN counting the others until WEDNESDAY.

    The 7 they are counting:

    A SHOOTERS, FISHERS AND FARMERS – 4.68%
    D THE GREENS – 8.62%
    E ANIMAL JUSTICE PARTY – 1.63%
    J LABOR / COUNTRY LABOR – 26.91%
    K LIBERAL / THE NATIONALS – 32.60%
    Q CHRISTIAN DEMOCRATIC PARTY (FRED NILE GROUP) – 2.00%
    T PAULINE HANSON’S ONE NATION – 5.83%

    You’ll notice LDP and Australian Conservatives aren’t there – though they likely each scored more than Animal Justice. We won’t have the first pref votes they received until mid-week. What a joke!

  32. Bill Thompson

    Outside Insiders this morning… Notwithstanding the importance of the NSW election, you’d think journalists would be at least partly across the significance of Mueller’s Russian-collusion “nothing-burger” report…

    https://youtu.be/CDfI8Nj-RkE

  33. Muddy

    I appreciate Lizzie’s observations above.

    Politics is a competition, like sport. Fans are unlikely to purchase a season’s ticket or merchandise when a team only has a presence at the coin toss.

  34. Muddy

    I placed that last comment on the wrong fred. ‘Twas meant to be on the NSW erection.

  35. OldOzzie

    Legislative Council
    Legislative Council Election

    NSW Legislative Council Members represent the state as a whole rather than particular electoral districts, and are elected for a term of 8 years.

    There are 42 members in the Legislative Council (LC), with 21 elected at each Election.

    The proportional representation voting system is used, which aims to allocate seats in the Legislative Council in proportion to the votes cast, once a certain quota has been reached.

    There are two ways electors can cast their vote on the LC ballot paper, either by voting above or below the line. The line divides the ballot paper into a top section of groups, and a bottom section of the candidates within those groups, which includes an additional column for ungrouped candidates.

    The initial scrutiny of LC ballot papers is done in the polling places on election night, where the ballot papers are sorted to ascertain the number of above-the-line votes for each group. Blank ballot papers are isolated and counted and all other ballot papers reported in the Other category.

    The same system is used for declaration votes (absent, postal etc).

    Ballot papers are then sent to the NSWEC’s central count centre at Riverwood in Sydney. The ballot papers arrive sorted by those marked above the line and those marked below the line within each polling place or declaration type (eg absent votes) The ballot papers are data entered into a computer application which does the complex proportional representation count to elect the 21 Members.

    Statewide Summary

    Electors Enrolled: 4,635,810
    Results Explanation

    This page shows group first preference “above the live” votes cast statewide for each Legislative Council group. It also shows the number of “Other” votes cast, which includes all “below the line” votes and some of the informal ballots. The number of Blank ballot papers is also shown, all these ballots are informal.

    Group results are shown as election night polling place ordinary vote results, and declaration vote results which are counted after election night. The sum of these votes is shown in the total column. A percentage of group votes against Total Formal votes are shown in the % column.

    The quota ratio column gives an indication of the number of quotas a group has attained from their “above the live” votes. The quota calculation is based on the first preference above the line votes for each group and the Total Formal Votes. Note this quota calculation is only indicative as some formal votes are included with “Other” Votes. Therefore the quota ratio is not an exact and will not match the quota ratio calculated after all “below the line” candidate votes have been data entered and all informal votes have been identified.

    First Preference Group Votes

  36. johanna

    Pedro the Ignorant
    #2968189, posted on March 23, 2019 at 10:25 pm

    It is a huge indictment on modern Aussie society that so many boys grow up never having caught a fish, shot a rabbit, helped butcher a sheep, lit a campfire, slept in a swag, mended a fence, gone swimming in a dam or river, pulled down a motor, chopped some firewood, and all the manly things that boys and young men should be doing as a matter of course.

    I’ve never shot a rabbit or pulled down a motor, but have done all the other things, and am most definitely a sheila. I’ve also necked and plucked a chicken and was gutting fish at about age seven. I’ve been prawning in the Tuggerah lakes, am not scared of snakes (except in a rational way) and would survive a disaster better than most of the betas who call themselves men now living in cities.

    Cats and kittehs, please let your female children/relatives/friends learn this stuff as well. It’s fun, it’s useful, and it builds an underlying self-confidence which is invaluable.

  37. Dr Faustus

    Theresa May faces UK cabinet coup

    Theresa May was at risk of being ousted as prime minister on Saturday evening, as cabinet ministers discussed replacing her with an interim leader in order to unblock the Brexit process.

    Government whip in TEARS as he tells Theresa May she ‘betrayed Brexit and destroyed the Tory Party’

  38. OldOzzie

    Abject Apologies above First Preference Counts were 2011 Election – What a Crap Site NSW Elections

    Current Legislative Council 2019 Elections

    A SHOOTERS, FISHERS AND FARMERS 118,526 1,415 119,941 4.68%
    D THE GREENS 218,542 2,523 221,065 8.63%
    E ANIMAL JUSTICE PARTY 40,949 768 41,717 1.63%
    J LABOR / COUNTRY LABOR 674,979 14,382 689,361 26.91%
    K LIBERAL / THE NATIONALS 811,320 23,929 835,249 32.60%
    Q CHRISTIAN DEMOCRATIC PARTY 49,856 1,325 51,181 2.00%
    T PAULINE HANSON’S ONE NATION 144,514 4,960 149,474 5.83%
    Blank Ballot Papers 115,385 385 115,770
    *Other Votes / Ballot Papers
    (including informal) 331,323 6,885 338,208
    Total Votes / Ballot Papers 2,505,394 56,572 2,561,966

  39. Arky

    The whole idea of being a female is your one job is to find a good bloke to do all that stuff for you.
    That’s the whole reason you exist.
    You are the lock keeper.
    You say “no” to a thousand losers such that they don’t get to continue their faulty genetic lines.
    You aren’t SUPPOSED to be out there stabbing buffaloe in the head.

  40. John Constantine

    There was disclosed chatter that vicpol intercepted a few years ago, where wahhabis had phantasised about single officer rural police stations being a source of firearms, once the sole officer was stabbed.

    Vicpol allowed country coppers to store their guns at home for a bit, then the whole issue evaporated as Vikpol head office became the enforcement arm of the Narrative.

    Comrades.

  41. struth

    O-oh, Rowan Dean’s gonna be in strife.

    With Cats because he called H1tler “right wing”.

    The propaganda is a strong force to break.
    At the start, Rita gave a good speech about the left blaming a side of politics which has nothing to do with white supremacist behaviour.

    When you tell these people a National Socialist was a socialist, such is the extent of the brain washing, they look at you as if you were a political loon.
    Yet their whole argument as to why white racism is right wing is because, well, they don’t really know.
    Oh, yeah Hitler.
    Ok then, why was Hitler right wing?
    Er, er, er,er…………………………………………And I’m the fucking idiot

  42. OldOzzie

    Life Under Labor.Greens in Victoriastan

    Man bashed, critical after West Melbourne group attack police say was ‘brutal’, ‘confronting’

    A man is in a critical condition after being attacked by a group of men and hit with a weapon this morning in inner Melbourne.

    Acting Detective Sergeant Simon Watts said the victim had been attacked by a group of African males after he stepped out of a car in busy King St about 4.30am today.

    The victim, a 27-year-old Seabrook man, who was a passenger in a black Toyota sedan, was taken to hospital with serious head injuries remains there in a critical condition.

    The Toyota remains at the scene, and police believe the group of attackers moved on the man from two other vehicles.

    “It (the attack) was quite brutal and quite confronting,” he said.

    “There were two other cars involved in the incident.

    “We believe them to be a red Subaru and a red Mitsubishi.

    “If that triggers anyone’s memory that would be great.”

    The victim was not driving the car at the time and the driver is currently helping detectives with their investigation.

    Mr Watts said police were not yet sure what had led to the attack, with up to 10 people believed to be involved.

    “I can’t confirm or deny whether he was lured out or stepped out of his own volition,” he said.

    Anyone who was around the area at about 4.30am has been asked to come forward, including motorists who may have dashcam footage, and phone Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

    No arrests have been made so far.

  43. egg_

    Is Fitzy stupid or purposely dissembling?

    Teh “genius” thinks he’s dissembling, most likely.
    Comes across as a loudmouthed buffoon on most panels he’s on, a Failbat in Blair parlance.

  44. Ellen of Tasmania

    The propaganda is a strong force to break.

    He who controls the dictionary, controls the narrative, controls the future.

    It’s Sunday, so I’m posting a link to this talk (to college students) that I freely confess is from a Christian perspective. I also honestly believe it to be useful to all of us who aren’t leftist, PC, propaganda eaters.

    “Racism: Fake and Real”
    https://www.christkirk.com/sermon/racism-fake-real/

    Have a happy day.

  45. struth

    I also believe there is , of course and typically, that “in all fairness” approach that right wing people take.
    Almost craving for something to “concede” from their side as to make themselves seem more reasonable.

    Yes, all extremism is bad, even on our side guys, so lets all just cool it……………………..

    It’s a bullshit approach because the left aren’t going to be reasonable DUE TO THE FACT THAT ALL VIOLENT EXTREMISM IS FROM THEIR SIDE.
    Always.
    People like that young white bloke from Melbourne that gets under people’s skin, is not a Nazi, he’s just an idiot, who let the anti white left make him stand up for whites, for which he is then called a Nazi.
    At the worst, some young white blokes who are sick of the anti white male bashing done by the left, who are as thick as two short planks, will say, well if that’s the case, maybe I am a Nazi and don’t care.
    There’d probably be about three of those young blokes in Australia.
    And they therefore, once they collectively identify people, aren’t right wing anymore, but the correct term would be collectivist racists at best.
    Right wing is individualism and judgement on merit, not appearance.

    You cannot be a National Socialist and be right wing.
    It’s absurd.
    It’s just so absurd, and it’s not just because we have some changed view of what right wing conservative is.
    We don’t.
    Right wing principles have remained the same, and indeed history proves it in every case, from Labor’s white Australia policy, to union activity against aboriginal people, to the democrats in the USA and the KKK through to Hitler and the identity politics of racial separation today.
    We are the side agains racism, and it’s always been thus.
    We have not discovered some new analogy as to what it means to be right wing, so as to wipe our hands of the past, because we haven’t needed to.
    We just need to through back the Hitler mud that was thrown at us by Hitler’s followers once he was defeated (and not before)
    There were reasons the wharfies wouldn’t help us fight the Axis, and tried to sabotage supplies to our troops.
    No one can seriously argue Hitler was right wing, but like Climate change, a lie told often enough………………

    Until it’s challenged.

  46. struth

    We just need to through back

    == Thow

  47. struth

    Thow thrrrrrrrrrrrrow, figging rr button.

  48. calli

    lotocoti
    #2968430, posted on March 24, 2019 at 9:33 am
    Apparently a million Remoaners marched on Westminster.
    It must’ve been very squeezy.

    Perfect! An example of using the interwebs for good and not evil.

    It was an obvious lie, but worth a fact check.

  49. John Constantine

    Have vikpol, of the flee,cower, beg strategy for home invasion, does head office vikpol have a public reccomendation for what to do if you are in a car accident with a carload of a demographic that hop straight on their phones to get their cousins to swarm around.

    Dunno what i would do in the early hours of the morning if i was rear ended by a carload of crushloaded australians, but i doubt i would get out the car to exchange names and addresses.

    Big Australia has made us so rich we can afford to drive off after an accident and pay to fix our own cars.

    Comrades.

  50. OldOzzie

    Why do the media insist on distorting the political spectrum?

    Ever since the nomination of President Trump the media began to recycle those tired old clichés. I’m sure you know the ones I’m talking about. The most often recited claims are that all those on the political right are Fascists and those same people are all bigots. Neither of those claims is remotely true but that does not stop the media from spreading them.

    A thorough analysis of the first claim will prove it to be factually and historically flawed. At the historical root of this claim is a tiny bit of truth. Dating back to before the French Revolution, members of the Fascist party did sit on the right side of parliaments in Europe while the Socialists sat on the left side. This artificial model, based on seating arrangements alone, is the historical basis for this claim. There is no commonality between the political philosophies of the European Fascists and the political philosophies of the right-wing political movements that exist in the United States. The framers of the Constitution created their own model to describe the political spectrum, one that is based entirely on fundamental truths about the nature of government. Using this model, which has been called the founders model, you can accurately place any form of government or political philosophy on the political spectrum based on its actual characteristics. W. Cleon Skousen discussed the founders’ model in great detail in his masterpiece “The 5000 Year Leap.”

    The founders’ model measures the size and scope of government for any given philosophy. On the absolute right of this model is no government. What results with no government is anarchy because people are not perfect; some injure others and interfere with the fights of others. A certain level of government is needed to prevent this from happening. On the left is an all powerful totalitarian government where no freedom exists.

  51. Viva

    Could I just put in a request that the media please stop publishing ever larger photos of Tayla Harris’ crotch.

  52. calli

    Snoopy
    #2968469, posted on March 24, 2019 at 10:29 am
    Gladys will easily outlast the dead man walking. There’s no reason for Labor insiders to hold back now about his alleged alcohol fuelled(?) anger issues.

    That can’t be right. We had many…many pundits telling us last night that he was “a really nice guy”.

    It would explain the odd memory lapse re funding and also the timing over-run on Sunrise that his opponent completed with a second to spare.

    And some say da wymmin can’t think or talk logically and economically.

  53. calli

    Seconded, Viva.

    Marvellous camera work though. I’m envious, having spent all morning stuffing around with camera on manual, only to take portraits of a series of coal cellars.

  54. OldOzzie

    MCAS AND THE 737: WHEN SMALL CHANGES HAVE HUGE CONSEQUENCES

    UNINTENTIONAL SIDE EFFECTS

    It may be somewhat counter-intuitive, but the more efficient LEAP engines used on the 737 MAX are actually much larger than the engines used on previous versions of the aircraft. To make these significantly larger engines fit on the wing, they had to be mounted not only higher but farther forward than previous generations of the 737. Even to the untrained eye, the difference in engine size and position is clearly discernible:

    It was found that this new positioning of the engines caused the 737 MAX to pitch up slightly during certain maneuvers, especially when the aircraft was already at a high angle-of-attack (AoA). In other words, when the nose of the aircraft was raised to gain altitude, the plane would start to climb higher than the pilot intended. If left unchecked, this tendency could potentially lead to a disastrous stall condition; where the aircraft has pitched up so far that it’s no longer able to produce lift. To counteract this quirk of the design, the MCAS system was introduced.

    Put simply, MCAS detects when the 737 MAX is at risk of this pitch-up tendency, and compensates by using the aircraft’s rear stabilizer to bring the nose back down. When operating as intended the pilot shouldn’t even know that MCAS was engaged. It was designed to be a system that operated in the background, automatically providing the pilot with the ideal aircraft performance.

    In fact, it was since been revealed that 737 MAX operators were not informed about MCAS, or trained on its operation. Documentation detailing the changes made between the two generations of aircraft didn’t mention the automatic system, as Boeing believed it wasn’t something pilots would need to be consciously aware of. As such, many pilots didn’t learn about MCAS until the first fatal accident had already occurred.

  55. Roger

    D THE GREENS 218,542 2,523 221,065 8.63%

    9.9% in 2015 LC vote, which was -1.2.

    Greens are slowly dying.

    Major parties ought to take notice.

  56. OldOzzie

    How the 737 MAX 10 landing gear works

    Gary Hamatani, chief project engineer for Boeing’s 737 MAX program, explains how the lengthened landing gear for the stretched-out 737 MAX 10 folds itself up. Video credit: Boeing

  57. Eyrie

    “I’ve felt this for a long time – how do resistance fighters get weapons?”
    I forget where I read this: “A knife gets you a pistol, a pistol gets you a rifle”

  58. OldOzzie

    737 Max UPDATE 20 March 2019

    Juan Browne’s YouTube Video LIon Air B-737 Max NCAS Update Is far more informative than Boeing Pres. Dennis Muilenburgs full page NY Times Mar 20 apologram declaring Commitment Dedication and Values.

  59. johanna

    Des Deskperson
    #2968386, posted on March 24, 2019 at 7:42 am

    ‘Indeed, Des, just as the Russian agent Burton had a student hall at ANU named after him.’

    And interestingly, Johanna, Burton’s daughter:

    ‘Meredith Edwards AM FASSA FIPPA, former senior Australian government public servant, Emeritus Professor, University of Canberra.’

    is one of the signatures to the ‘open letter’ opposing the AWM extension. She was a Dep Sec in PM&C under Labor and reputedly the, err, brains behind Keating’s unintelligible ‘Working Nation’ White Paper.

    These family caste links run all through Canberra.

    I worked at PM&C while she was a Dep Sec, in her area. Most of the staff loved her (but not me) because she was so ‘approachable’. I always thought that she was a fraud, a very plausible one. Her thing then was ‘evidence based policy’ as though previously policy was made without evidence. What it meant was cherry picking research to pre-determined ends.

    Of course, the public policy academic world seized on this as though it was a dazzling new insight. Policy based on resesearch? Huzza! Why has nobody thought of this before!

    It is so lame and dishonest that it is hard to understand why she made her name by it.

    Imagine, Fred Wheeler, John Bunting, John Stone and many others made decisions apparently without a skerrick of research.

    Like her father, she was a consummate con artist.

  60. Cassie of Sydney

    “Roger
    #2968563, posted on March 24, 2019 at 12:47 pm
    D THE GREENS 218,542 2,523 221,065 8.63%

    9.9% in 2015 LC vote, which was -1.2.

    Greens are slowly dying.

    Major parties ought to take notice.”

    Are they? They won three seats yesterday. Support for them is pretty solid in Newtown, Balmain and Byron Bay.

  61. Baldrick

    The Greens retained three seats. They didn’t win any extra.

  62. JC

    OldOzzie
    #2968564, posted on March 24, 2019 at 12:48 pm

    How the 737 MAX 10 landing gear works

    Gary Hamatani, chief project engineer for Boeing’s 737 MAX program, explains how the lengthened landing gear for the stretched-out 737 MAX 10 folds itself up. Video credit: Boeing

    What’s the landing gear have to do with the problem? There may be a problem after take off and the landing gear is in the chute.

  63. struth

    Cassie of Sydney, can you please explain who the extreme right wing anti-semetics are

  64. NSW election

    1. The electoral result map looks like two sides in a civil war. Much like Viktoristan.

    2. The Blank Ballots Party received ~ 4.5% of the vote. They may yet outpoll the SFF and have the gangrenes in their sights.

    3. I wish for a similar result in the Fed election.

    4. NSW voters are clearly smarter than those in the state the cast off (Viktoristan).

  65. Eyrie

    OldOzzie, there is nothing wrong with the 737MAX or the MCAS. A sensor can always go bad.
    The 737 has 4 automatic and one manual system besides MCAS that can cause the stab trim motor to run. The sensors failing for any of these can cause it, or a normal sensor causing it to run and then it fails to turn off. When it does run, the large 10″ diameter manual trim wheels next to your knee turn and they have white stripes to make it obvious plus make a grinding sound. There is one for each pilot.
    Between the manual trim wheels on the back of the console, in easy reach, are the stab trim cutout switches. One for autopilot mode and one for hand flying mode. You flick these down and power to the stab trim motor is turned off. End of problem. Trim manually for rest of flight. It is a memory item like engine failure on takeoff and engine fire.
    The Lion Air flight the day before had had the problem and the super numery pilot knew what to do. On the fatal day the next crew died leafing through the emergency procedures manual. There was a Boeing bulletin about this failure mode but the Ethiopian guys obvious didn’t take it on board.
    These people would have crashed the next time they had a trim runaway for ANY reason pretty much at anuy altitude.
    This has turned into a disgusting media driven witch hunt with grandstanding politicians now clambering aboard. Symptomatic of society’s abandonment of rationality.

  66. Shy Ted

    Could I just put in a request that the media please stop publishing ever larger photos of Tayla Harris’ crotch.
    If she just stopped and thought about it for a moment it’s that type of photo that could catapult her to fame and fortune through sponsorships, advertising and so on. But when you’re surrounded by lefties rather than marketers…

  67. Eyrie

    One good rule in flying is: if a configuration change causes a problem ( flaps come up and the problem happens) go back one step.

  68. Cassie of Sydney

    struth
    #2968579, posted on March 24, 2019 at 1:08 pm
    Cassie of Sydney, can you please explain who the extreme right wing anti-semetics are”

    Fraser Anning is most certainly NOT anti-semitic. Dick Natale, Fatty Hanson-Young and Fascist Bandt are most assuredly anti-Semitic.

  69. johanna

    The whole idea of being a female is your one job is to find a good bloke to do all that stuff for you.
    That’s the whole reason you exist.

    Any woman who falls for that deserves to fail, as you do.

  70. Cassie of Sydney

    Struth…..when it comes to anti-Semitism I fear the left more than any moron on the fringe right. European J**s are not fleeing because of attacks by the far right…..they are fleeing because of attacks from a particular religious ideology and the left.

  71. struth

    Yes Cassie, but in a reply to an article in the Australian you state in the Neo Nazis, Jihadis have always been brothers thread you wrote

    “A timely piece Henry. As you accurately write, when it comes to J** hatred, both the far right and Islamists walk arm in arm…they feed off each other

    I was just wondering who this far right was that walks arm in arm with Islamists.

  72. BrettW

    Seems that DL may not win a seat in NSW election.

    Whilst I did not agree with him on a number of points I think he did make a good contribution to various issues. He was certainly hardworking, unlike some of the other independents.

  73. Nelson Kidd-Players

    I seem to have missed the salient point about Tayla Harris and that picture. Neil Mitchell on 3AW was not going into the detail for my own protection The Cat open thread is also quiet in the subject (unless I inadvertently scrolled).

    Presumably it was more than suggesting her suitability for Moulin Rouge?

  74. Ellen of Tasmania

    Apparently a million Remoaners marched on Westminster.
    It must’ve been very squeezy

    I was listening to BBCworld overnight pontificating on this. I wanted to march with them carrying signs like – ‘I want to be ruled over by unelected officials in Brussels’ or ‘If Brexit had lost, we would still want a revote’ or ‘Multiculturalism always works, everywhere’ … and so on.

    Maybe at 3 in the morning, I feel more suicidal than at other times.

  75. OldOzzie

    JC
    #2968578, posted on March 24, 2019 at 1:08 pm

    OldOzzie
    #2968564, posted on March 24, 2019 at 12:48 pm

    How the 737 MAX 10 landing gear works

    Gary Hamatani, chief project engineer for Boeing’s 737 MAX program, explains how the lengthened landing gear for the stretched-out 737 MAX 10 folds itself up. Video credit: Boeing

    What’s the landing gear have to do with the problem? There may be a problem after take off and the landing gear is in the chute.

    If you watch the video the original 737-100 was designed to be close to the ground as most of the Airports the orignal 737 floew out of did not have aerobridges and Boeing wanted it close to the ground so passengers did not have to climb more steps up to the aircraft – the 100 engines were small cylindrical tubes and as engines went to Turbofans they got bigger – the 737 Maxx 8 engines are so large that to stop the engines scraping the ground when wings oscillated on landing , but wanting to continue to use the same landing gear space as already existed (hence the solution to the 737 Maxx 10 landing gear as shown in the video above) they moved the engines forward and upward hence creating the instability that MCAS was to stop.

    The Juan Browne’s YouTube Video LIon Air B-737 Max NCAS Update Is far more informative than Boeing Pres. Dennis Muilenburgs full page NY Times Mar 20 apologram declaring Commitment Dedication and Values.

    explains it perfectly with excellent diagrams

    Eyrie
    #2968583, posted on March 24, 2019 at 1:16 pm

    OldOzzie, there is nothing wrong with the 737MAX or the MCAS. A sensor can always go bad.

    Agree but I suggest you watch the 24 mins video above – makes it all a lot clearer

  76. Cassie of Sydney

    “I was just wondering who this far right was that walks arm in arm with Islamists.”

    I suspect that the character in NZ didn’t and doesn’t like J**s very much….however I am yet to be convinced as to where his ideology fits. There is anti-semitism on the far right…..the Pittsburgh shooter can be roughly classified as “far right” but there is far more mainstream toxic anti-Semitism on the far left and the not so far left and what is worse is that they are in an unholy alliance with the Islam and the Islamists…..which is why they are much more dangerous to me and my community than anything the “far right” vomits up.

    However, I don’t particularly like the labels far left and far right…..ultimately they are both the same…they fuse together.

  77. Zatara

    There was a Boeing bulletin about this failure mode but the Ethiopian guys obvious didn’t take it on board.

    It was issued 6 Nov, 2018 and it’s quite clear.

    “This bulletin directs flight crews to existing procedures to address this condition.” (My bold)

    “In the event an uncommanded nose down stabilizer trim is experienced on the 737-8/9, in conjunction with one or more of the above indications or effects, do the Runaway Stabilizer NCC (checklist) ensuing the the STAB TRIM CUTOUT switches are set to CUTOUT and stay in CUTOUT position for the rest of the flight.”

    In other words, turn the thing off, leave it off, and fly without it.

  78. struth

    However, I don’t particularly like the labels far left and far right…..ultimately they are both the same…they fuse together

    No they don’t, at all.
    The shooter there was certainly anti semetic, but please tell me what made him right wing in your eyes.

  79. Elle

    However, I don’t particularly like the labels far left and far right…..ultimately they are both the same…they fuse together.

    100% correct.
    Tis why our PM shouldn’t have labelled the lunatic “far right wing”. He should have simply said ‘extremist’.

  80. JC

    Ozzie

    Your first post was about the landing gear. There doesn’t appear to be any association between the landing gear and how it operates with the two crashes. The problem appears to be nose dipping shortly after takeoff. The gear is back in its chute by then.

  81. Tom

    What’s the landing gear have to do with the problem?

    Everything, JC.

    Boeing keeps redesigning the 737 to do things it wasn’t originally designed for. One of the new requirements is more power to produce more payload-range, which requires physically bigger engines that are so large they won’t fit under the standard 737 wing design without touching the ground.

    So Boeing had to bodgey-up a work-around which jacks up the height of the undercarriage. That in turn created the problem that caused the two 737 MAX accidents — the pitch-down attitude that requires software to correct it.

    That in turn triggered the pilot training issue that Boeing decided it didn’t need to address in the operating manual. Big mistake. And it’s going to cost Boeing billions in settlements with airlines and the families of their dead customers.

    Note that there will be no settlements required with Western airlines with competent flight operations departments, just the Third World airlines that hire people as pilots who would otherwise be driving buses for a living.

  82. struth

    I’m not going to go much further with this, but to suggest that maybe the Jooish community may need to pay attention to the truth more than the left wing propaganda to work out who their true friends are and not just go off half cocked about right wingers, who are the friends of the Joos, even in their extreme form.
    An extreme right winger is an anarchist and would be a fierce individualist to the point of the ridiculous, but the right wing have never been the enemy of the Joo unless you believe Hitler was right wing.
    Maybe if you lot got over that little bit of bullshit, more of you would stop voting for people that hate you.

  83. struth

    Elle, you are not here for the politics, you’re here for the social aspect, obviously.
    Why start talking shit now?

  84. Elle

    Struth, I am hardly here because I am elsewhere. I logged on for the first time today.
    Who made you the blog door bitch?

  85. Cassie of Sydney

    but please tell me what made him right wing in your eyes.”

    Who? If you are referring to the Pittsburgh shooter, I regard him as “far-right”…I have never called him “right-wing”. I don’t know what the NZ shooter is…far-left or far-right……he probably is a rancid mixture of both…drawn to extremes…..all ideologies have their extremes. I won’t be reading the NZ shooter’s manifesto to find out. SloMo mad a bad mistake calling him “right-wing”. There is a big difference between right-wing and far-right.

    The left deliberately conflate right-wing/conservative with far-right because they delight in smearing people who hold different opinions to their own.

  86. struth

    Struth, I am hardly here because I am elsewhere. I logged on for the first time today.
    Who made you the blog door bitch?

    I asked a question…………………..
    So very totalitarian of me.

    I asked because I don’t think you really have ever made much of a political stance here, and I was wondering if now you are going to start?

  87. struth

    There is a big difference between right-wing and far-right.

    Go on, I’m intrigued.

  88. rickw

    I forget where I read this: “A knife gets you a pistol, a pistol gets you a rifle”

    That was the whole idea of the single shot Liberty Pistol. A lot of tail end blokes in Japanese patrols ended up donating their rifles thanks to it.

  89. Cassie of Sydney

    “struth
    #2968615, posted on March 24, 2019 at 1:50 pm
    There is a big difference between right-wing and far-right.

    Go on, I’m intrigued.”

    Nope, not going to….most people here understand what I mean…you’re picking a fight and I’m not going there.

  90. OldOzzie

    JC
    #2968608, posted on March 24, 2019 at 1:43 pm

    Ozzie

    Your first post was about the landing gear. There doesn’t appear to be any association between the landing gear and how it operates with the two crashes. The problem appears to be nose dipping shortly after takeoff. The gear is back in its chute by then.

    On the Pilots Forum the feeling is that Boeing took the easy way out with the 737 Maxx 8 and the bigger engines – rather than design a new landing gear so that the fuselage was raised higher off the ground and leaving the engines in the 737-800 position, which would have necessitated a redesign of the Landing Gear and Landing Gear Nacelle, for longer Landing Gear to raise the fuselage further off the ground, critical when landing Boeing moved the engines forward and upward which and I will quote from post above

    UNINTENTIONAL SIDE EFFECTS

    It may be somewhat counter-intuitive, but the more efficient LEAP engines used on the 737 MAX are actually much larger than the engines used on previous versions of the aircraft. To make these significantly larger engines fit on the wing, they had to be mounted not only higher but farther forward than previous generations of the 737

    It was found that this new positioning of the engines caused the 737 MAX to pitch up slightly during certain maneuvers, especially when the aircraft was already at a high angle-of-attack (AoA). In other words, when the nose of the aircraft was raised to gain altitude, the plane would start to climb higher than the pilot intended. If left unchecked, this tendency could potentially lead to a disastrous stall condition; where the aircraft has pitched up so far that it’s no longer able to produce lift. To counteract this quirk of the design, the MCAS system was introduced.

    Put simply, MCAS detects when the 737 MAX is at risk of this pitch-up tendency, and compensates by using the aircraft’s rear stabilizer to bring the nose back down. When operating as intended the pilot shouldn’t even know that MCAS was engaged. It was designed to be a system that operated in the background, automatically providing the pilot with the ideal aircraft performance.

    In fact, it was since been revealed that 737 MAX operators were not informed about MCAS, or trained on its operation. Documentation detailing the changes made between the two generations of aircraft didn’t mention the automatic system, as Boeing believed it wasn’t something pilots would need to be consciously aware of. As such, many pilots didn’t learn about MCAS until the first fatal accident had already occurred.

    The reference to the 737 Maxx 10 Landing Gear showed, I believe, a second solution to a longer landing gear.

  91. Seems that DL may not win a seat in NSW election.

    I keeps tellin’ ya.

    NSW voters are smarter than they look.

  92. bespoke

    Tis why our PM shouldn’t have labelled the lunatic “far right wing”. He should have simply said ‘extremist’.

    And that is perfectly reasonable.

    I don’t see getting bogged down in semantics is helpful.

  93. OldOzzie

    Ozzie

    JC
    #2968608, posted on March 24, 2019 at 1:43 pm

    Your first post was about the landing gear. There doesn’t appear to be any association between the landing gear and how it operates with the two crashes. The problem appears to be nose dipping shortly after takeoff. The gear is back in its chute by then.

    On the Pilots Forum the feeling is that Boeing took the easy way out with the 737 Maxx 8 and the bigger engines – rather than design a new landing gear so that the fuselage was raised higher off the ground and leaving the engines in the 737-800 position, which would have necessitated a redesign of the Landing Gear and Landing Gear Nacelle, for longer Landing Gear to raise the fuselage further off the ground, critical when landing Boeing moved the engines forward and upward which and I will quote from post above

    UNINTENTIONAL SIDE EFFECTS

    It may be somewhat counter-intuitive, but the more efficient LEAP engines used on the 737 MAX are actually much larger than the engines used on previous versions of the aircraft. To make these significantly larger engines fit on the wing, they had to be mounted not only higher but farther forward than previous generations of the 737

    It was found that this new positioning of the engines caused the 737 MAX to pitch up slightly during certain maneuvers, especially when the aircraft was already at a high angle-of-attack (AoA). In other words, when the nose of the aircraft was raised to gain altitude, the plane would start to climb higher than the pilot intended. If left unchecked, this tendency could potentially lead to a disastrous stall condition; where the aircraft has pitched up so far that it’s no longer able to produce lift. To counteract this quirk of the design, the MCAS system was introduced.

    Put simply, MCAS detects when the 737 MAX is at risk of this pitch-up tendency, and compensates by using the aircraft’s rear stabilizer to bring the nose back down. When operating as intended the pilot shouldn’t even know that MCAS was engaged. It was designed to be a system that operated in the background, automatically providing the pilot with the ideal aircraft performance.

    In fact, it was since been revealed that 737 MAX operators were not informed about MCAS, or trained on its operation. Documentation detailing the changes made between the two generations of aircraft didn’t mention the automatic system, as Boeing believed it wasn’t something pilots would need to be consciously aware of. As such, many pilots didn’t learn about MCAS until the first fatal accident had already occurred.

    The reference to the 737 Maxx 10 Landing Gear showed, I believe, a second solution to a longer landing gear.

  94. right wing, left wing, uber-left etc.

    All the same to us tumbril operators.

    We treat them all the same.

  95. Elle

    Struth, I have some strong political views.

    I despise the modern day feminist movement who are emasculating our men. I have commented on that a number of times.

    A right wing friend and I went to the love fest at the Opera House that was Julia Gillard and Anne Summers. We went armed with questions about Gillards misogyny speech, but weren’t able to get a word in; drowned out by leftard loonies. It was like being on another planet. Everyone was speaking in tongues.

    Do I really need to lay out my manifesto here?

    Is there certain criteria?
    Is there basic training I need to engage in to be allowed to post here?
    Can I get a credit? As I did basic training in the military over 30 years ago.

  96. struth

    Yeah, but I’m one of those people that know what you mean too.
    And you’re wrong to mean it.
    Soory, but as I said above, the Jooish community have such a problem with this precisely because it swallowed the left wing propaganda about Hitler, as has most.
    But it’s going to effect you guys more than us (most likely) to be agreeing with the anti semetic left, the socialists, that hate you, that their political opposition is your problem.
    It’s like a death wish.
    Sort yourselves out, because as everyone knows, lots of Jooos vote socialist precisely because of this propaganda.
    New York city has such a large Jooish population it is the dominant factor in their accent, it’s so huge, but they’ve voted in a socialist.
    Smart move Jooos., as the mussies take over the streets, anti semetism rises in the democratic party ranks in New York, especially.
    It’s a big subject Cassie, and I’m not having a go, but the lie that socialist Hitler was right wing, is going to end up having you guys support the politics of the very people who put you in the gas chambers.
    Socialists.

  97. Oh come on

    Numbers, go and spend time with your sick wife. Running away from your problems won’t solve them.

    Why is it that so many damaged lefties pop up here when they’re going through personal trauma? It’s quite strange.

  98. Elle

    Nope, not going to….most people here understand what I mean…you’re picking a fight and I’m not going there.

    Agreed. He lays in wait ready to pounce.
    More emotional than a woman.

  99. Australian Conservatives 0.5%
    Liberal Democrats 0.2%

    Anyone else prepared to say that these two are dead in the water?

  100. struth

    Elle, there you go, that wasn’t that hard, was it?

  101. bespoke

    So struth do you think there no extremest to the right?

  102. stackja

    Did ABC/Nine report this?

    Colorado baker Jack Phillips, state end legal fight over transgender …
    https://www.nbcnews.com/…/colorado-baker-jack-phillips-state-end-legal-fight-over-t…
    Mar 6, 2019 – DENVER — A Colorado baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple on religious grounds — a stance partially upheld by the …

  103. Cassie of Sydney

    “incoherent rambler
    #2968630, posted on March 24, 2019 at 2:06 pm
    Australian Conservatives 0.5%
    Liberal Democrats 0.2%

    Anyone else prepared to say that these two are dead in the water?”

    As I wrote a day or two ago…the AC have a good product but they ineffectual at selling it.

  104. Oh come on

    ICYMI:

    A couple of days ago, Avi Yemini landed a potentially career-ending blow on entirely unfunny Australian comedian who does the rounds on US late night leftist comedy shows. Jim Jeffries tried to lump Yemini in with white supremacists and neo-Nazis in a grossly deceptive hit piece Jeffries aired after Christchurch. Yemini returned fire in brutal fashion.

  105. Oh come on

    Australian Conservatives 0.5%
    Liberal Democrats 0.2%

    Bloody hell.

  106. the AC have a good product but they ineffectual at selling it.

    So do gazillions of small businesses.

    TIP: If you are not going sell/market, give up now.

  107. MatrixTransform

    why does everybody bother trying to class others (or indeed themselves) into identitarian buckets?

    What purpose does that serve?
    Im Joo-ish, you’re Left, he’s Right. Whatever
    Personally, I dont reckon I have issues with anybody’s group identity.
    Makes absolutely zero sense to me.

    Serious kwuestion here:
    How can one claim pro inclusion in say the semetic category as a prophylaxis against all other group’s thoughts behaviours or sayings?
    Same goes for I-slam … or [insert ism here]
    Leftism, Rightism etc
    and then a step further, how can anybody decide arbitrarily on the basis of some generic utterance that left their lips … how can ya decide where to classify or categorise them.

    groups … theyre all so utterly convinced that the other groups make their problems
    cast yrself as a special group, ‘other’ anybody not in said group … reap God’s grace?

    I don’t think so.
    Its all so fucking one dimensional.

  108. johanna

    Usual bickering and ranting.

    Bye for now.

  109. Pedro the Ignorant

    Tropical Cyclone Veronica has crossed the WA coast at Roebourne (between Port Hedland and Karratha) as a Category 3.

    No great loss if the whole town of Roebourne was blown away, but I am worried about the fate of the nearby Whim Creek pub.

    This is a very cool interactive map of TC Veronica. Click on a spot and see the longitude/latitude, wind speed and direction.

    Interactive Map TC Veronica.

  110. cohenite

    What a wonderful country we live in (sarc).

    No one is keeping you here, piss off. No doubt some other commie from overseas will take your place.

  111. identitarian buckets

    These are used to develop major party policies.

    Anecdotal evidence indicates that most people have diverse views (some left, some right) on a range of subjects.

    The Headsman’s Guild is another organization that care’s not for political leanings. True equalidy under the blade.

  112. Cassie of Sydney

    I think one of the reasons the Libs in NSW won last night is that they actually got down and dirty. They did what the Labor party usually do and do very well….they found dirt on Daley….and they exposed Daley, Labor and the left for the hypocrites that they are.

  113. bespoke

    Matrix

    When I say the left or progressives its not all just the nutters.

  114. calli

    “Inclusive Tumbrils” has a certain cachet.

    “Discriminating Without Discrimination”, we’ll give you the ride of your life.

  115. Fisky

    Australian Conservatives 0.5%
    Liberal Democrats 0.2%

    Anyone else prepared to say that these two are dead in the water?

    The AC are a colourless nothing of a party who don’t even know who their constituency is. The LDP veer between chasing urban hipsters and country rednecks, so no one really trusts them.

    The future is parties that deliver Stuff to People, not ideologues.

  116. calli

    Pikes are colourblind, gender inclusive and caste-free.

  117. struth

    So struth do you think there no extremest to the right?

    Yes, as I have said.
    An anarchist is an extreme of the right.

    It’s not that hard.
    You look at what is left wing policy and take it to it’s extreme and you get Hitler, Stalin, Mao.

    You take right wing to it’s extreme you get no government and chaotic anarchy.
    What you don’t get is collectivism and racism on the extreme right.
    If we are not collectivist when right wing, you take that to it’s extreme, it doesn’t produce collectivism.

    I like who Cassie is and what she does and how she fights.
    I just believe there are more than just her obviously that still can’t get their heads past the fact that white supremacists are not right wing.
    We’ve been told by a rabid left intent on disowning Hitler for half a century that he was right wing.
    Yet he was never right wing before he lost and Stalin only described him as a right wing socialist because the state didn’t own the business but socialist because he still controlled them.

    It’s a hard thing for some to clear their minds, yet look at the propaganda regarding Climate Change.
    It’s been going on for 3o plus years too, and to deny left wing propaganda and it’s aggressive ,and constant attack on the west, takes a strong mind as well.

    I’m just having a discussion.
    I’m not sitting waiting to pounce.
    I’m slowly getting my shit together on a Sunday after getting to sleep around three am.

    Mine is just a discussion regarding why Joos of all people would support socialism and claim the right were the white extremists, when doing so will eventually see them suffer even more than they already are in France etc.
    I firmly believe the Joos of all people should be the ones on the extreme right, not agreeing with socialists that the right is a problem for them.
    It isn’t .
    Not in any form.
    Extreme or not.
    The only way the right is a problem for you , is if you can’t clear your mind of the propaganda of the left and firmly believe the right own white supremacism and there is only one reason for that.
    If you can’t clear your mind of the left wing propaganda that sees the socialist Hitler branded a right winger.

    Hey, that’s my opinion, I argue my point, I’m hoping to be rebuffed and given a decent argument in reply.
    Not being told I am looking for a fight, and attacking women or some such nonsense.
    I’m just calling it as I see it, and I believe we have heard the Jooos screaming blue murder about anti semetism, without anyone asking what they may be doing to actually support the growth of it.

    Look at the way many of them vote.
    For bloody socialists.
    That should be worrying the hell out of Cassie from Sydney.

    I don’t apologise for having an opinion.
    And I will admit I’m wrong when I am.

  118. Tel

    Yes, as I have said.
    An anarchist is an extreme of the right.

    Some anarchists support individual property rights, others believe property is theft. None of them support the powerful central planners telling them how many children they are allowed to have.

  119. Zatara

    Every Time Democrats Talk, I Want To Vote For Trump Twice

    I am a middle-of-the-road Republican who voted for Trump with the utmost reluctance in 2016.

    Was I worried? Hell, yeah! Was I depressed? You bet. But, really, what options were there? Hillary? Jill Stein? Seriously? Trump wasn’t my first choice or my second choice or my third choice, but by the time November 2016 rolled around, Trump was the only choice on the menu.

    And now?

    I am a highly motivated Trump voter because the Democrats have motivated me up to my eyeballs. I have never been more motivated in my life, because the Democrats are terrifying me.

  120. The Liberals lose some votes in NSW.

    A clear sign to the S.F.L. that it needs more windmills and more roonabauble subsidies.

  121. candy

    As I wrote a day or two ago…the AC have a good product but they ineffectual at selling it.

    I agree Cassie. They need a more vital and energetic leader. Someone like TA.

  122. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    full vid from above

  123. struth

    Zippy, if you aren’t too young and stupid you’d realise you never do anything pre recorded with the left.

    That’s why politics is for the older and uglier, god bless the young fella though.

  124. bespoke

    AC are up against massive odds. The media wont give them air time unless they pull a stupid stunt, they don’t have the cash for effective advertisement and some of the base are so fickle if things don’t happen NOW!.

  125. herodotus

    and they exposed Daley, Labor and the left for the hypocrites that they are.
    It’s not that hard to do, except for getting the message out. That’s why the left hate Sky and News.

  126. Boambee John

    1735099
    #2968624, posted on March 24, 2019 at 2:00 pm
    What a wonderful country we live in (sarc).

    Feel free to leave, Un Zud beckons.

  127. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Apocalypse
    Supermoon triad WARNING: Tonight’s Equinox Full Moon is a ‘prophetic sign of APOCALYPSE’
    THE third Supermoon of the year is evidence of the biblical end times approaching because it coincides with the Spring Equinox and the Jewish holiday of Purim, a Christian evangelist has claimed.

  128. herodotus

    If not AC as a lever, then nothing. Write them off if you have an alternative strategy.

  129. Cassie of Sydney

    I agree with much of what you say Struth…and I know where you’re coming from. But let me describe my J**ish community…particularly here in Australia. The Australian J**wish community is primarily conservative/liberal and most assuredly the religious in my community are “right-wing”. In America….it is as follows….most American J**s are secular and Demrat but their numbers are shrinking due to inter-marriage, assimilation and secularism….however the orthodox religious in the USA are growing…and they are most assuredly moving right and Republican every day.

    Most of our institutions have been captured by the left…and in Victoria by the hard left…like many non-J**ish organisations. That is why David Adler has set up the AJA (Australian J**ish Association)..Adler is also a founding member of Advance Australia.

  130. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Apocalypse
    Supermoon triad WARNING: Tonight’s Equinox Full Moon is a ‘prophetic sign of APOCALYPSE’
    THE third Supermoon of the year is evidence of the biblical end times approaching because it coincides with the Spring Equinox and the J8w*sh holiday of Purim, a Christian evangelist has claimed.

  131. stackja

    OldOzzie
    #2968525, posted on March 24, 2019 at 11:48 am

    Meanwhile:

    Service station armed robbery – Lidcombe

    Sunday, 24 March 2019 07:22:17 AM

    Police are appealing for public assistance after an armed robbery at Lidcombe this morning.

    Just after 4am (Sunday 24 March 2019), police were called to a service station on Joseph Street, near Vaughan Street, after reports of an armed robbery.

    Police have been told three males, armed with a knife, threatened the attendant before stealing cigarettes and fleeing on foot.

    The attendant was not injured during the incident.

    Officers from Auburn Police Area Command attended and established a crime scene.

    A search of the surrounding area was conducted with assistance from the Dog Unit, however, no one was located.

    Detectives would like to speak to three males who may be able to assist with their inquiries.

    They are all described as being of African appearance and aged in their late teens or early 20s.

  132. Cassie of Sydney

    “herodotus
    #2968666, posted on March 24, 2019 at 2:49 pm
    If not AC as a lever, then nothing. Write them off if you have an alternative strategy.”

    I am not writing them off yet. I still think they have a role to play….but they need to be more assertive and much more aggressive with their message.

  133. feelthebern

    Mark Latham would be a happy chappy this morning.
    It looks like in every seat & the upper house, he met the threshold for electoral funding.
    Nice pot of funds to roll into the Federal election.
    Latham has demonstrated he’s more palatable than Hanson.
    Once the final numbers are in, we can work out the rake.

  134. feelthebern

    Wasn’t Purim last week?

  135. bespoke

    herodotus
    #2968666, posted on March 24, 2019 at 2:49 pm
    If not AC as a lever, then nothing. Write them off if you have an alternative strategy.

    +1 A strategy not just vague criticisms.

  136. mh

    Annabel Crabb
    @annabelcrabb
    Gladys Berejiklian becomes the first woman to win a NSW election as leader. Speaking now on
    @abcnews

    O.M.G.

    I don’t believe it

    A WOMAN!!!!!!!

  137. feelthebern

    Annabel Crabb beclowns herself regarding Latham.

  138. Cassie of Sydney

    “feelthebern
    #2968673, posted on March 24, 2019 at 2:56 pm
    Wasn’t Purim last week?”

    Yes.

  139. stackja

    feelthebern
    #2968671, posted on March 24, 2019 at 2:55 pm

    ML knows the ways. PHON is learning.

  140. mh

    candy
    #2968657, posted on March 24, 2019 at 2:36 pm
    As I wrote a day or two ago…the AC have a good product but they ineffectual at selling it.

    I agree Cassie. They need a more vital and energetic leader. Someone like TA.

    Candy. Put the crack pipe down. Now.

  141. stackja

    Cassie of Sydney
    #2968680, posted on March 24, 2019 at 3:00 pm
    “feelthebern
    #2968673, posted on March 24, 2019 at 2:56 pm
    Wasn’t Purim last week?”

    Yes.

    The tale is told in the Book of Esther, known as the Megillah, and ends with Haman’s hanging and the J-w!sh people being saved. Purim is celebrated on the 14th and 15th days of Adar, the twelfth month of the J-w1sh Calendar which usually coincides with March.

  142. MatrixTransform

    THE third Supermoon of the year is evidence of the biblical end times approaching

    Well, that ruins Easter then

  143. Bruce in WA

    1735099
    #2968624, posted on March 24, 2019 at 2:00 pm
    What a wonderful country we live in (sarc).

    Not a very sympathetic judgment by the government, but it is objective.

    It was estimated the kid was going to cost taxpayers some $4.865 million to stay here permanently! One child.

  144. stackja

    Jared Kushner reads Megillah at White House Purim celebration
    President’s son-in-law apparently ‘flawless’ in his rendition at ceremony attended by around 40 people

  145. Bruce in WA

    Catholic priest stabbed several times during televised mass

    Yes, the hatred is building. I fear it’s only going to get worse. And I say this as an agnostic.

  146. Cassie of Sydney

    “stackja
    #2968687, posted on March 24, 2019 at 3:06 pm”

    But…but…but…President Trump, whose daughter is J**wish, who sons both married women with J**ish blood, whose grandchildren are J**wish, who is the most pro-Isr**li President in recent history is a nazi, nazi, nazi.

  147. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Catholic priest stabbed several times during televised mass

    we are all christians now!

  148. feelthebern

    Matt Taibbi has another column today.
    Basically says, after Russia probe, the msm has zero credibility (as if it did before).

  149. MatrixTransform

    The world is a strange place

  150. mh

    egg_
    #2968435, posted on March 24, 2019 at 9:46 am
    Australians are saying NO to vagicide.

    The NZ horse’s @rse says yes to vagicide?

    Yes. NZ is being primed for a paradigm shift of power.

    Ardern has signalled this very clearly to the Muslim world. Burj Khalifa

  151. Tel

    ML knows the ways. PHON is learning.

    I hope Latham shows some loyalty and respect. Pauline has been a consistently bad judge of character in the men she works with. Latham is no one’s bootlicker and I don’t expect that … but hopefully he keeps in mind that he could never have got there on his own.

  152. Tel

    Catholic priest stabbed several times during televised mass

    What? No hashtag?!?

  153. struth

    Cassie, I’m just sitting back here sipping coffee, and putting my point out there.

    Jooish deaths have already occurred in Europe again, (needless that we talk about the middle East) due to anti- semetism nurtured by socialists who have always hated you guys.
    Always.
    It’s always been them.
    Theirs is the politics of envy, and you, and now us white men, are the collectivist grouping that’s caused all their problems.
    They need an enemy to blame, and you guys thrived in urban areas as shop keepers and wouldn’t stay as agricultural serfs, threating the German elite etc etc.
    You were and are what they hate.
    Successful off your own bat.
    That’s why they hate the west and white man as well.
    They are the elite and others should be working for them.
    And they’ll make sure they are perceived as the victims of unfair treatment as an excuse to steal what you have, and chuck you in an oven, as they will eventually attempt to do to the freedom loving western white man.

    It’s the politics of envy.
    That’s why Mussies hate you, and hate the west.
    They are failures, with a failed miserable culture, that need to find others to blame, and there yyou are all prosperous and western, right in the middle of their middle Eastern shithole pointing it out to them daily.
    They hate success.

    But, maybe not so much here in Australia, but elsewhere, Jooos better wake up fast, (and so to the white westerners) as to who their enemy is.
    And it is socialism.
    It has nothing to do with the right at all.
    AT ALL.
    And while people keep thinking it’s extremism on both sides of the political divide the are not accurately understanding who their enemy is, and it’s vey difficult to fight like that and win.
    The Joos and the western white man has the same enemy, and it is socialism and the left.
    Know our enemy.
    And know they lie.
    People and Joos are already dying because of it again in large numbers.
    Christians are dying from it in I’d say larger numbers to be honest.
    It’s the same old totalitarian beast, socialism/ maxism/ communism, call it what you will ,and as Hitler was aligned with Islam who loved him, nothing changes.
    It’s the anti freedom, Jooo hating, Christian hating, socialist/ communist left, and it would really help the Joos of this world to realise who their enemy is, just the same as it would help the western white man as well.
    Thee is nothing for Joos to fear from the extreme right.
    There is nothing for anyone to fear from the extreme right.
    There never has been, unless you believe Hitler was right wing.
    There is nothing in the History of the entire Jooish existence to blame the right for, unless you believe that one lie.
    Clear that one away, and it’s all as clear as crystal.

    So hard to do, it seems.

    Yet all the facts are right there.

    That’s what makes me laugh when I hear political pundits talking about thei surprise that anti semetism is now “surprise surprise” on the left.
    It’s always been on the left.
    In the hearts of the envious thieving left.

  154. Roberto

    ‘“pounds to peanuts” was a well used phrase in my parent’s house back in the early 60’s.

    The last person whom I heard use that phrase was my elderly great-aunt, who died in 1987 aged 95.

  155. calli

    That woman who raced up to help that poor priest was brave.

    Well done!

  156. Notafan

    Seems extremists, those prepared to kill to obtain their ideological goals, and the ones that should concern as.

    Doesnt matter in they are called KKK or Maoists, really.

  157. dover_beach

    Catholic priest stabbed several times during televised mass

    Marr is unmoved and will continue as usual.

  158. Tailgunner

    extreme right wing anti-semetics

    You, for sure, Struth.
    And definitely me.
    It’s really all the goyim.
    Even the #collaborators
    Oh, and the Cat as a collective.

  159. Tailgunner

    Hells Angels having a little meet at the RCH right now.
    One dude in shorts, t-shirt & Patched leather vest.
    Think I’ll keep drinking and then put a business proposition to them.
    From the revolution.

  160. Tailgunner

    But we need funds. Obviously.

  161. Tailgunner

    Why will the State not squish the OMCG?
    Seems it always business as usual.
    I don’t believe in coincidences.
    #controlledOpposition

  162. jupes

    That’s what makes me laugh when I hear political pundits talking about thei surprise that anti semetism is now “surprise surprise” on the left.

    I agree with you struth. I would like to put one question to the likes of SloMo, Rowan Dean and Gerard Henderson and all the pundits who identify in one way or another as being on the right yet have called the Christchurch killer “right wing”.

    “What do you have in common with the fuckwit?”

  163. struth

    Doesnt matter in they are called KKK or Maoists, really.

    If I kill in the name of Islam and other Muslims call me a catholic extremist, would that matter to you?

  164. Tailgunner

    I can’t even be bothered calling Montel out.
    He’s dazed from the impact. Along with his other donut-related health woes.
    In my prayers.

  165. John Constantine

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/18/ending-climate-change-end-capitalism

    The overthrow of western industrial civilisation and the genocide of the anglosphere is the end game.

    Their climate change is just a tasteful way of brainwashing the prole children into channeling teenage angst into lethal Nihilism.

    Comrades.

  166. Notafan

    We need to move away from the right left paradigm to the far more correct right wrong one.

  167. Tailgunner

    Struth – we can’t even convince on Climate Kaos, Hitler is a Leftist?
    Never gonna happen.
    Forget the word games.
    You know what has to be.

  168. Notafan

    That’s doesn’t make any sense struth.

  169. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Just watched the Outsider’s piece on Sydney University’s think tank on animal legal rights and ‘justice’. Following on from the Vegan’s Justice Party no doubt. Not about fluffy kittens at all, as I found some young women on the voting line were believing. In fact it’s a strong wedge to getting some academic base for a loony left Judge to call out and deny farmers and butchers the right to produce their product.

    Anyway, Attapuss is firmly on the Carnivore side of this debate.
    You’re a very right wing animal, I contend with him.
    He justly ignores me and howls for his meat.

  170. Snoopy

    Elle
    #2968625, posted on March 24, 2019 at 2:03 pm
    >
    Do I really need to lay out my manifesto here?

    Hell no! Not another manifesto. You’ll get us all into big trouble.

  171. Tailgunner

    In before ScoMo denounces us as a breeding ground for hate.
    Sinclair -whats the plan? Have you contingencies in place?
    Jacques-will the hamsters survive the relocation??
    These are the real questions!

  172. Tailgunner

    I’m just sitting back here sipping coffee

    Narc!!

  173. feelthebern

    I hope Latham shows some loyalty and respect. Pauline has been a consistently bad judge of character in the men she works with. Latham is no one’s bootlicker and I don’t expect that … but hopefully he keeps in mind that he could never have got there on his own.

    I reckon that post the Federal election Latham will make the call.
    Either be beholden to the Hanson soap opera.
    Or turn One Nation into more than just a pack of weirdo’s.
    If Pauline was smart, she’d take a back seat.
    I reckon post trying for a bit for the latter, he’ll realise that Pauline is a control freak & will leave & become an independent.
    Considering how he has filled One Nation’s pockets with tax payer money, he would have earned the right to do whatever he wants.

  174. Tailgunner

    You’re a very right wing animal

    Sheesh, everyone knows cats are white supremacist’s’s!
    🙂

  175. dover_beach

    We need to move away from the right left paradigm to the far more correct right wrong one.

    Yes!

  176. feelthebern

    We need to move away from the right left paradigm to the far more correct right wrong one.

    We need to move away from this left wing right wing bull shit & towards a statist libertarian paradigm.

  177. Tailgunner

    Hitler was a Leftist. No.
    Not so hard to make my man, Brad Trabant, a right wing extremist. Easy peasy.

  178. Elle

    Tailgunner, you’re very cute.
    No filter in your spliff?

  179. struth

    It just makes no logical sense Jupes, and it is completely Ahistoric Jupes.

    I went all over Germany and stood on the spot where Hitler gave his foul sermons in Nuremburg, and went into the beer hall in Munich, and felt the vibe of the German People.
    WW2 and Hitler still consume them.
    I wouldn’t walk up to a German in the beer hall and ask, which room did Hitler start raving on in?
    You still don’t talk about the war.
    Even when I went up to the Eagles Nest, they just call it a 1930’s café house.

    But they’ll take the tourism money and their sign boards regarding the Nazis all oddly say National Socialists, and never NAZI.
    Such is the propaganda of Nazis being right wing, they would prefer to tell you the were national socialists because it sounds better, TO THEM.

    Hitler was definitely left wing and nobody, no body, once challenged , can put up a credible reason otherwise.
    Yet , due to this terrible lie, we back off, admitting there are violent extremists on our side too, when there never has been!
    There just never has been.

    Pinochet would be your closest argument against my observations, and that was not terrorism, it was a coo so to speak and not racially related.

  180. feelthebern

    Most of these extreme left & extreme right want the state to dictate what people can & can’t do.
    Things that should be pure personal choice.
    As it stands, there are very very few libertarians out there.
    For some reason dictating terms to others seems to be hardwired into humans.

  181. mh

    Spliff?

    No way. Something faster for weekends, I’m guessing.

  182. feelthebern

    Hitler was a statist.
    Stalin was a statist.
    FDR & Truman were both statists too.

  183. struth

    You’re on it today tailgunner

    Spot a honey and go for it.
    You’re in just the right frame of mind

  184. vlad

    Hitler was a statist.
    Stalin was a statist.
    FDR & Truman were both statists too.

    Don’t forget Turnbull, the super-statist they could only dream of being.

  185. Tailgunner

    No filter in your spliff?

    Damn!
    Feminine intuition, confirmed!
    🙂

  186. feelthebern

    Correct Vlad.
    Having a national grid & having a so-called NEG is a statists wet dream.

  187. struth

    We need to move away from the right left paradigm to the far more correct right wrong one.

    You can call yourself a custard tart for all I give a ferk.
    But before you know it Hitler will be labelled an extreme custard tart, and all custard tarts are evil.

    Stand your ground, soldier.
    You’re right wing, and there’s no reason not to be extremely proud of yourself.

  188. struth

    Most of these extreme left & extreme right want the state to dictate what people can & can’t do.

    That’s bullshit.
    Extreme right is basically you libertarians.
    No government telling anyone what to do.
    Anarchy is the extreme right, taken to it’s logical conclusion.
    Libertarians are freedom loving people who have no idea how their freedoms came about.
    Sort of the right wing’s very own virtue signallers.

  189. dover_beach

    Most of these extreme left & extreme right want the state to dictate what people can & can’t do.
    Things that should be pure personal choice.
    As it stands, there are very very few libertarians out there.
    For some reason dictating terms to others seems to be hardwired into humans.

    This is true across the spectrum not because there is anything hardwired in human beings but because in order to live together we have to some extent dictate or set rules about what people can’t do. There is no way around this so rather than complaining about this or that we should focus on the principles, moral and prudential, that guide those decisions.

  190. Tailgunner

    Spot a honey and go for it.
    You’re in just the right frame of mind

    I just HAD to say something to this chick earlier. Total smoke show, 9+. No bra under her strappy dress. Damn, girl!
    Had to fall back on an ancient PUA/Jedi mind trick ball…
    “Hey-can I get your opinion on something? *chick crack*
    “umm, what? ”
    She has three pretty cute, WB, friends behind her, btw…
    Gunner – “Who do you reckon lies more, men or women? ”
    She lit up. Gorgeous.
    Then I think someone noticed the MAGA hat…
    Just another one you put down to the game.

  191. feelthebern

    Speaking of statists & libertarians.
    Good to see David L most likely getting smoked.
    Sure he said he’d never vote for a tax increase.
    He was true to that. Tick.
    But considering he was deliberately AWOL during anything union related, he didn’t contribute to reducing the greatest cost to business (after tax).

  192. mh

    Kid Rock
    @KidRock
    Another great day on the links! Thank you to POTUS for having me and to EVERYONE at Trump International for being so wonderful. What a great man, so down to earth and so fun to be with!! KEEP AMERICA GREAT!! -Kid Rock

    https://twitter.com/KidRock/status/1109574447445536768?s=20

  193. Tailgunner

    No way. Something faster for weekends, I’m guessing.

    Dude, I’m not in my salad days anymore.
    But can I get a sample, says my friend to ask.

  194. feelthebern

    Extreme right is basically you libertarians.

    Horsehit.
    Come on, Struth.
    You’re better than that.

  195. Notafan

    You are right DB.

    Doesn’t matter whether it’s a family unit of five or a nation of fifty million.

    There have to be some basic rules, set by the adults.

  196. Diogenes

    Even when I went up to the Eagles Nest, they just call it a 1930’s café house.
    But they’ll take the tourism money and their sign boards regarding the Nazis all oddly say National Socialists, and never NAZI.

    Are you confusing the Eagles Nest, a café used by the Nasties with the Berghof, home to the Austrian Corporal ?
    The latter was exploded across the countryside, whereas the former was just that, a café reserved for their use

  197. Tailgunner

    Awesome, pussycat.
    I’d never heard of Mac Davis.
    But I like his style.

  198. feelthebern

    Tailgunner, Chris Rock has a great bit about that.
    Men lie more.
    But women tell bigger lies.

    Man: I wasn’t at a titty bar.
    Woman: The baby’s yours.

  199. Knuckle Dragger

    I had a brief, but torrid affair with rugby union whilst at school in the mid 80s.

    Played for one season – had watched it on TV before but never really knew the nuances behind the rules. At 15, 186 cm and 80 odd kgs I had a frame that made quite a good full forward, but not so much a tight head prop (thank you to my coach, Mr Lever, who clearly hated me).

    One of my enduring memories was watching a union Test around that time, Wallabies v France. At one point during the match, one Peter Fitzsimons squared up to not one, but three members of the French pack.

    The next few minutes consisted of the three French fellows using Fitzsimons’ face as a lawnmower, before he was ultimately rescued by the ref – who I suspect let it go on a bit more than normal.

    Being beaten up by Frenchmen no doubt had some influence in Fitzy’s later life, and it’s instructive to note that even to this day he overestimates his influence and ability.

    However, there is one area in which he apparently realised his limitations. He married Lisa Wilkinson.

  200. Rabid Koala

    We need to move away from the right left paradigm to the far more correct right wrong one.

    The correct paradigm is nationalist v globalist.

    Such is the propaganda of Nazis being right wing, they would prefer to tell you the were national socialists because it sounds better, TO THEM.

    BULLSHIT. Nazi was a western term. National Socialists never called themselves Nazis. Nazi was a term invented by western socialists to distance Narional socialism in germany from Bolshevik socialism in Russia. It is a mark of how good the allied propaganda was that 70 years later you still believe the propaganda, including the propaganda that Hitler was just a raving loon. An entire period of history, the period that caused Germans to see national socialism as their saving grace, has also been effectively removed from western thought by propaganda. Read up on the Weimar period in German history. It was so bad that it makes 10 year old boys dancing in drag for gay men look innocent and million dollar western Sydney granny flats look like a bargain.

  201. feelthebern

    All profits from the Kehlsteinhaus are donated to charity.

  202. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    There is a problem though with your analysis above, Struth, although I think it makes historical sense about the politics of envy and designation of an out-group. The problem though stems now from the adulation given to Hitler, seen as a strongman, by many unthinking thugs, who then take on holus bolus, including the archaic symbolism, the hocus pocus that Hitler engaged in regarding genetics and ‘hidden conspiracies’ of a particular out-group. These thugs turn to the internet to find loathsome misinformation there about that. Thus, without the previous trip to socialism, we have groups of ideological thugs being violently anti-Semitic, and introducing this so-called explanation into whatever political side they fancy, left or right. When it is of the left, these thugs line up their anti-Semitism with envy once more, and become anti-Israel as well. When of the right, it often comes across as economic resentments framed in racial terms.

    A complicated picture.

  203. struth

    Extreme right is basically you libertarians.

    Horsehit.
    Come on, Struth.
    You’re better than that.

    No I’m not.

    It’s pure basic Australian logic I’m using here.

    If right wing is for smaller government and lower taxes, what is the extreme of that?

    Answers in our own time.

    If right wing is against collectivism and about individual rights, is the extreme of that collectivism?
    You’ve got to be a collectivist to be a racist

    If right wing is about private ownership, then the extreme of that is not government ownership , yes or no?

    You get my point.
    It’s as easy as working out what right wing is, and then taking it to it’s extreme.

    And it don’t end in totalitarian Hitler salutes.

  204. bespoke

    If you believe in inherited guilt or virtue then your a statist.

  205. Tailgunner

    Horsehit.
    Come on, Struth.
    You’re better than that.

    He’s right though.
    Libertarians /rAnarchists ARE the real far-right.
    No borders, No Walls, No *insert natioj* at all!!
    We have to re-brand, politically, as the Small Government Party.
    Or put on Liebstandarte armbands.

  206. feelthebern

    The correct paradigm is nationalist v globalist.

    Really?

  207. struth

    Are you confusing the Eagles Nest, a café used by the Nasties with the Berghof, home to the Austrian Corporal ?

    No I’m not
    .

  208. BrettW

    Somebody mentioned it above but needs repeating.

    NSW Liberals only lost one seat, which was Coogee. Also the seat where Malcolm Turnbull was at the polling booth supporting the candidate.

    Dave Scharma take note.

  209. feelthebern

    Ok struth, look at One Nation.
    They are referred to as far right.
    But they are heavy on regulation & government intervention.
    Where does One Nation sit on the political spectrum in your opinion.
    I would call them just another pack of statists.

  210. Tailgunner

    Man: I wasn’t at a titty bar.
    Woman: The baby’s yours.

    Bamm! Yes,thats some cold shit.
    Only a beta would put up with that shit though.
    I love using strippers/other women as props.
    I bring up that I went to a strip club. And suggest we attend together soon.
    #Dreadgame

  211. Knuckle Dragger

    If Kid Rock doesn’t stand for POTUS in 2024 I’m going to be sorely disappointed.

  212. Thanks Cohenite – Leon Ashby assistant to Sen Fraser Anning is doing the the heavy lifting on this Revised Bradfield Scheme. As you say he’s been on it for 10 years at least and was an irrigator. I am posting it on landscape.org as I get it from him.

  213. struth

    BULLSHIT. Nazi was a western term. National Socialists never called themselves Nazis. Nazi was a term invented by western socialists to distance Narional socialism in germany from Bolshevik socialism in Russia. It is a mark of how good the allied propaganda was that 70 years later you still believe the propaganda, including the propaganda that Hitler was just a raving loon. An entire period of history, the period that caused Germans to see national socialism as their saving grace, has also been effectively removed from western thought by propaganda. Read up on the Weimar period in German history. It was so bad that it makes 10 year old boys dancing in drag for gay men look innocent and million dollar western Sydney granny flats look like a bargain.

    If you come in half way through a discussion you’ll make a twat of yourself.
    I actually agree with you.
    So calm down.
    Aren’t koalas supposed to be fairly laid back?

    There are a few bits I’d pick you up on, as it’s not allied Propaganda but socialist propaganda by Stalin, and if you had not gone off half cocked you would realise I was reading signs in English in 21 century Germany, and to think that they wouldn’t have known of the acronym is absurd.
    But still for their western readers, it wasn’t used.
    Either way, it’s irrelevant.
    Hitler was a socialist.

  214. feelthebern

    One to save if you have an hour to kill.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wq9x2QcZN0&feature=youtu.be

    Eric Weinstein is one of the great thinkers of our time.
    No wonder Peter Thiel has him on a contract for life.

  215. Knuckle Dragger

    Evidently a coup is underway against Remainer UK PM Theresa May.

    At least 11 senior Cabinet ministers have concluded she is toxic and has to go.

    Well, duh.

  216. feelthebern

    At some stage in 2019 when BREMAIN has been inked, the GBP will get back to 2:1 to the AUD & I will cash in my chips.
    It will be a good earner.
    Not Tailgunner on Trump return, but still a good earn.

  217. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    If Pauline was smart, she’d take a back seat.

    I hope so, on policy matters.
    He may be adult enough now to steer her away from anything unelectable. She is likely to respect his experience and the tremendous boost he has given to her Party and her long-term stand. Many ordinary people still love and respect her for her fortitude and inarticulate speech, which shows she is one of them, not one of the ‘educated’ elite. She should still do lots of meet and greet, and some profile dancing with the stars. Oh, and Koch should lose his TV job for his disgustingly violent-male roaring and threatening finger pointing and other body language towards her. Like Gladys, Pauline can now let her softer side show. It’s probably a relief to her that she knows a protective Latham now has her back. It’s tough standing up to thugs like Koch on your own.

  218. Oh come on

    Good to see David L most likely getting smoked.

    I think it’s a pity. He was sound on many things. Also, he told Sea-Patrol to fuck off. That last one alone makes him an asset in our polity.

  219. Tailgunner

    If Kid Rock doesn’t stand for POTUS in 2024 I’m going to be sorely disappointed.

    If he did we could accurately gauge the size of our guys.
    Only the deplorable nationalists would vote for KRock over the next mkultra candidate?
    Invaluable Intel.

  220. struth

    I would call them just another pack of statists.

    The’re not far right about anything.
    The could be the labor party of old, when they still believed in Nationhood and borders.
    It’s just that the labor party are now straight out traitorous globalists.
    But one nation, well I wouldn’t classify them as right wing at all.
    But centrist, or old labor light.
    I think it’s a good fit for an old labor guy like Latham.

    And you know what, I predict he’ll be leader of the party inside a year, and I reckon that deal has probably already been done, and Pauline will be happy with it.

  221. Knuckle Dragger

    Elle,

    I know right? A long-haired, tatted-out drinkin’ huntin’ pro military heavy hitting card carrying Republican that doesn’t give a rat’s arse what his opponents think.

    Plus a little bit of Lynrd Skynrd in his music, which will ensure he gets each and every vote beneath the Mason-Dixon line.

    The Democrats’ worst nightmare.

  222. Tailgunner

    , but still a good earn.
    Percentage return, please

  223. feelthebern

    TG, once banked I will.
    But nothing compared to the coke & hooker binge Trump allegedly provided you with.

  224. Snoopy

    It’s tough standing up to thugs like Koch on your own.

    Kochie a thug? If the thuggees hadn’t all been cremated they’d be spinning in their graves.

  225. egg_

    the overall goal is to achieve complete self-sufficiency in food and to become the world’s provider of ecologically clean foodstuffs. (As Putin pointed out, Russia remains the only major agricultural producer in the world that hasn’t been contaminated by American-made GMO poisons.)

    Cop that, Grunenfuhrers!

  226. feelthebern

    Once the Muellar report is 100% in the open, the DOJ needs to indict:
    Comey;
    Clapper;
    Brennan.
    All lied to Congress.
    All need to spend time behind bars.

  227. struth

    It’s not complicated at all, Lizzie, but see what you just did there.
    A classic case of not getting past the brainwashing.
    Whoever aligns themselves with Hitler is not right wing.
    You just said it’s complicated because people who align themselves with Hitler can also hate Jooos.
    Of course the would.
    BUT THEY’RE NOT RIGHT WING.

    I understand it’s had to contemplate, but just bare with me , History proves that Hitler was a socialist.

    We , as right wing people stand on the other side of the field from all this shit.

  228. struth

    I’m having trouble with my yy and r buttons when I type too much.
    Please bare with me.

  229. egg_

    Please bare with me.

    Unbearable, ‘fraid.

  230. Boambee John

    struth
    #2968786, posted on March 24, 2019 at 4:57 pm
    I would call them just another pack of statists.

    The’re not far right about anything.
    The could be the labor party of old, when they still believed in Nationhood and borders.
    It’s just that the labor party are now straight out traitorous globalists.

    Often forgotten in the welter of fascist left propaganda about One Nation is that Pauline Hanson originally got into Parliament in Bill Hayden’s old seat of Oxley. It had been solid Labor for decades (Ipswich coalfields). There is no possibility that she could have won that seat without the support of a lot of “Old Labor” voters. The voters of Oxley knew what they wanted, and it was not a continuation of Keating’s internationalist culture war.

    This might also explain Mark Latham joining her. He also is “Old Labor”.

  231. stackja

    Charlotte Pence, Vice-President’s Daughter, Tells Millennials Abortion is Social Justice Cause: “Oppression in Its Barest Form”
    Mar 18, 2019 | News |

    “If our generation is concerned with the disenfranchised, the marginalized, the oppressed and the outsider, the unborn child fits all of these descriptions. Abortion should also be acknowledged as oppression in its barest form. It ostracizes the weaker members of society, and it places a particular burden on minority communities.” -Charlotte Pence

  232. Cassie of Sydney

    “BrettW
    #2968771, posted on March 24, 2019 at 4:41 pm
    Somebody mentioned it above but needs repeating.

    NSW Liberals only lost one seat, which was Coogee. Also the seat where Malcolm Turnbull was at the polling booth supporting the candidate.

    Dave Scharma take note.”

    Coogee was lost because of the light rail. I liked Bruce Notley-Smith….I thought he was a good local MP. It has always been a very tight marginal seat. I am not in Coogee but I know many people who are….they got letters and phone calls from Turdbull endorsing Notley-Smith…..didn’t make an iota of difference.

    I think Sharma will win in May. Phoney Phelps is AWOL……..and I wonder how much support GetUp will provide this time….she received significant support from them in October but I doubt they will be here in Wentworth en masse like they were before. Also, in October the Libs ran an inept campaign…this time they need to get down and dirty and expose Phelps’ association with GetUp…an anti-Semitic organisation. Oh and by the way, Phelps is NOT J**ish. She supposedly converted at a reform synagogue….she is not halachically J**ish. Any real J** would not have poured cold water on the idea of moving the embassy to Jerusalem as she did when asked. Any real J** would not accept support from GetUp. I had a confrontation with Phelps in October before the election…I walked up to her and asked her why she supported the BDS…she was taken aback and her response was “I don’t support the BDS”. So I said to her “Then why do you accept help from GetUp?”. Her response to me was “I’ll take help from anyone”. So I said to her that if it’s okay for her to accept help from far-left anti-Semites then it’s okay for the Liberals to accept help from far-right anti-Semites. She didn’t like being cornered and she didn’t like me….I wear that badge with honour. Phelps is a total fake and a total phoney and I told her to her face that she was both of these things.

    The Libs dug dirt on Daley and Labor in NSW over the last few weeks…it worked a treat…it was a Liberal campaign worker who found the anti-Asian remarks by Daley. Labor’s being doing this for yonks…..the Libs need to do this more and more. Stuff being nice…stuff turning the other cheek, it doesn’t work, it’s trench warfare and you fight accordingly.

  233. Tailgunner

    Cop that, Grunenfuhrers!
    Lol!
    Putin is the second best Alpha Leader in the world.
    Gruenfuhrers.
    Muddy!

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