Open Forum: March 23, 2019

This entry was posted in Open Forum. Bookmark the permalink.

1,653 Responses to Open Forum: March 23, 2019

  1. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Cassie of Sydney
    #2968670, posted on March 24, 2019 at 2:52 pm
    “herodotus
    #2968666, posted on March 24, 2019 at 2:49 pm
    If not AC as a lever, then nothing. Write them off if you have an alternative strategy.”

    I am not writing them off yet. I still think they have a role to play….but they need to be more assertive and much more aggressive with their message.

    I totally agree, Cassie. With both the message itself, the Party profile, and the How-to-Vote handout.
    See my reports from the field late last night and today on the Election thread.

  2. egg_

    he told Sea-Patrol to fuck off.

    Kudos.
    Whilst some Libtard cucks consoled her, she stated on her last Q&A appearance.

  3. Tailgunner

    I’m having trouble with my yy and r buttons when I type too much.
    Please bare with me.

    The leader of the Convoy?
    Lol!!
    Play inxs you Wanker!
    😀
    I’ll be there one day. Watch 🙂

  4. struth

    I better take the dog for a walk………………………………………………………….

    It’s interesting all this though.
    The brainwashing on this one lie has been gi-normous.
    SBS are at it evey day Hitler …………………..they’re obsessed with keeping this big lie going.
    Look at Mont coming in calling everyone Nazis and it allows anyone who is white and actually opposes what Hitler was, to be called evil, and a Nazi.
    Imagine a world where our young were taught the truth.
    That Hitler was a socialist.
    They’d never have a hope in hell of regrouping.

  5. dover_beach

    The correct paradigm is nationalist v globalist.

    Certainly the most relevant paradigm in 2019.

  6. Cassie of Sydney

    Oh and Struth, I am NOT getting into a battle about semantics…..far-left v far-right. Most people here know what I mean when describing the two.

  7. Knuckle Dragger

    BJ,

    That’s a pretty good point about Old Labor etc etc. At the very least PHON appear to have the welfare of the working folk foremost in their minds, similar to what Old Labor would have been. Workers, Australians first and all that.

    It’s a stark comparison to what Labor is today – all transgender Chinese-owned nancies who can’t tell the difference between a toothbrush and a torque wrench. No wonder she’s still got a solid (albeit small) support base.

  8. Muddy

    bespoke
    #2968661, posted on March 24, 2019 at 2:47 pm

    AC are up against massive odds. The media wont give them air time unless they pull a stupid stunt, they don’t have the cash for effective advertisement and some of the base are so fickle if things don’t happen NOW!.

    The Australian Conservatives are presenting a product they wish Australian voters to buy. Why can’t prospective ‘purchasers’ be fussy and have high expectations?

    They do not have to pull a novelty stunt to get attention, either. They DO need to differentiate themselves from the Liberals though, otherwise risk looking like a Lib splinter group that still feels warm and fuzzy toward the parent. I think any association with the Liberal Party will be poison for the Australian Conservatives. Sections of the media would wet themselves for the opportunity to cover a right-of-centre conflict, and by initiating the same (in an intelligent, planned, manner), A.C. could not only gain free publicity, but advertise themselves as an alternative to the present display of rigor mortis.

    A.C. have nothing to lose by adopting this or a similar approach.

  9. egg_

    …it was a Liberal campaign worker who found the anti-Asian remarks by Daley.

    It didn’t faze his young male Chinese supporters that I know – did internal polling reveal it offended the soybois?

  10. struth

    I don’t even know what inx is, Tail gunne

  11. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Aust Cons badly need to do as the Libs have and have a Strategy and Tactics Group active especially during election run ups. They also need to push for media comms attention. They sit back too often and very few people who asked who led Aust Cons had ever heard of Cory. The profile is sadly lacking.

    I thought so many voters seemed as sheep on the Climate Change Kool Aid, totally MSM blinded on it. Aust Cons could go in hard there and up their profile very well. If they had the fortitude … it would differentiate them from the Libs who certainly have no guts to do that. The Aust Cons situation could hardly be made worse than its dismal current rating anyway.

  12. struth

    The correct paradigm is nationalist v globalist

    Globalism can only exist with socialism.

    Sounds a lot nicer doesn’t it?
    Of course they are globalist but I think we do ourselves a disservice if we don’t attach Socialism to it’s name.
    That’s what it is after all.
    Yes coming dog………………………..

  13. dover_beach

    Bombers not flying up at all today. Sad.

  14. Roberto

    At least 11 senior Cabinet ministers have concluded she is toxic and has to go.

    Goodness, it’s taken an ordinately long time for that penny to drop.

  15. Cassie of Sydney

    It took the Greens years before they had any electoral support. It’s a slow, slow process. Whether you liked him or not, Bob Brown (for reasons I’ll never understand) had gravitas…..people admired him. Cory doesn’t have that kind of gravitas. I like Cory but most people still haven’t got a clue about the AC.

  16. struth

    Oh and Struth, I am NOT getting into a battle about semantics…..far-left v far-right. Most people here know what I mean when describing the two.

    Not asking you to.
    I just hope you take into consideration what I said, that’s all.
    It may or may not be something to think about in your battles, and I know you fight, so it’s good for us to have these discussions.
    Especially with a fighter such as yourself.
    Again I understand what you meant, but you were giving a free kick to the other side, as far as I can see.
    You take it or leave it.

  17. Rabid Koala

    Globalism can only exist with socialism.

    Absolute nonsense.

  18. Cassie of Sydney

    “I just hope you take into consideration what I said, that’s all.”

    Struth, I understand completely where you are coming from and I do agree with what you are saying.

  19. JC

    Lord, if China goes down every luxury goods maker in the world is rooted.

    Chinese Spending Represents One-Third of the Global Luxury Market

  20. one old bruce

    Rabid Koala, Weimar was ‘removed from western thought’ because we British (Empire including Australia) never paid much attention to whatever the Germans were or are doing or thinking (Try living with a group of Germans and see how our differences aren’t just ideology but maybe neurological. They can’t help all the goose-stepping ‘efficiency’ whatever ideology they claim to support. And they think the same about us when they label us ‘Anglo-Saxons’ with ‘barbaric’ notions of freedom: a mixed group of Germans and Brits always splits along racial lines, who knows why?).

    Also I guess you’re too young to know the movie ‘Cabaret’ or don’t know what it’s about. Weimar Germany interested gays like Christopher Isherwood. Germans had a lot of time for decadence beacuse they didn’t have an empire to manage. Raper-bahn, Beatles in Hamburg, we Brits knew all this all along.

    If Americans only know Germany through peculiar Continental left politics and Disney movies maybe that’s the problem. Don’t take their debates so seriously or as relevant to us, they are coming from a lot of differences to the British side, if they have to dig their way out the same way they got in the hole I guess that makes sense for them but not for us.

  21. Caveman

    Globalism is socialism

  22. Elle

    The Democrats’ worst nightmare.

    Agreed, Knuckle Dragger. Hear hear!

  23. Leigh Lowe

    dover_beach

    #2968818, posted on March 24, 2019 at 5:25 pm

    Bombers not flying up at all today. Sad.

    737 MAX 8.

  24. feelthebern

    Out of the entire journalistic universe, there have only been 3 who have been either correct, sceptical or challenging the narrative since 2016.
    Glenn Greenwald (lefty).
    Matt Taibbi (far far lefty).
    Kimberley Strassel (flip flops between being a wall street-er & a libertarian).

  25. cohenite

    Stuff being nice…stuff turning the other cheek, it doesn’t work, it’s trench warfare and you fight accordingly.

    Correct Cassie. Cory is nice, Pauline isn’t, neither is Latham. The libs have to use Kelly and BJ more, in fact BJ is on the boil. It must be those late nights changing crappy nappies.

  26. feelthebern

    Globalism can only exist with socialism.

    Not quite.
    Socialism + Corporatism = Globalism.

  27. Cassie of Sydney

    The anti-Asian remarks by Daley definitely helped the Libs….they didn’t win the seat of Kogarah where there is a large Chinese population but there was a swing to the Libs of 3.7%. That’s not insignificant.

  28. Rabid Koala

    Try living with a group of Germans and see how our differences aren’t just ideology but maybe neurological. They can’t help all the goose-stepping ‘efficiency’ whatever ideology they claim to support. And they think the same about us when they label us ‘Anglo-Saxons’ with ‘barbaric’ notions of freedom: a mixed group of Germans and Brits always splits along racial lines, who knows why?

    If the differences between Anglo-Saxons and Germans is so wide despite their being so closely related then how wide must the gap between Anglo-Saxons and Africans or Asians be? Now we begin to see why multiculturalism requires heavy handed government to stop it breaking down

  29. vr

    Lord, if China goes down every luxury goods maker in the world is rooted.

    JC — Just this week the Economist had an article that China’s CA balance went from a surplus to a deficit. It will be interesting to watch them.

  30. Boambee John

    In order to avoid confusion between me and Barnaby Joyce (see cohenite at 1735) I suggest that references to me be abbreviated to Boam, rather than BJ.

  31. JC

    vr

    I’ve always had doubts any currency fix can be sustained, but China is different. It’s different in the sense the regime can stop capital flows anytime they want to a point where other countries have never been able to.

  32. bespoke

    Muddy
    #2968812, posted on March 24, 2019 at 5:17 pm
    They do not have to pull a novelty stunt to get attention, either. They DO need to differentiate themselves from the Liberals though, otherwise risk looking like a Lib splinter group that still feels warm and fuzzy toward the parent.

    No getting away from being seen as a Lib splinter group since t was once the natural home for conservatives for a long time. That may change over time as the Libs move left. I do think Cory takes Conservationism to literal and should propose radical changes to education and welfare but I don’t think its a vote winner in the short term sadly. AC need cash to get the word out because the MSM only gives a platform to nutters and people that play there game.

  33. Cassie of Sydney

    “cohenite
    #2968832, posted on March 24, 2019 at 5:35 pm
    Stuff being nice…stuff turning the other cheek, it doesn’t work, it’s trench warfare and you fight accordingly.

    Correct Cassie. Cory is nice, Pauline isn’t, neither is Latham. The libs have to use Kelly and BJ more, in fact BJ is on the boil. It must be those late nights changing crappy nappies.”

    Yes…I suspect why BJ has his mojo back is because he’s getting lots of “you know what”. As my mother always told me…males need the following three essential things for their manhood…lots of good sex, lots of good food to eat and a shed to hibernate in when they get tired of female nonsense…and they’ll always be happy.

    It’s not rocket science.

  34. feelthebern

    Tomorrow, the leader of the Nats in NSW & Federally should declare the positions open.
    Shorten would be scratching his head about the lack of pummelling in NSW.

  35. Knuckle Dragger

    My despair at Collingwood’s seven point loss to Geelong is being assuaged by the ‘performance’ of those slack-jawed buttercups that call themselves Essendon.

    Conceded 100 pts in each pre-season match and currently having their respective sphincters expanded to the tune of 80+ points. By a Sydney team.

    Saving the furniture, if you will.

  36. egg_

    The anti-Asian remarks by Daley definitely helped the Libs….they didn’t win the seat of Kogarah where there is a large Chinese population but there was a swing to the Libs of 3.7%. That’s not insignificant.

    I think they’re more pragmatic than their soyboi counterparts.

    Nelson Kim had been considering voting Labor but Mr Daley’s … Michael Daley’s anti-migrant comments but it didn’t affect how most of them voted in … cent of people living in the Strathfield electorate have Chinese ancestry.

  37. Tom

    Bombers not flying up at all today. Sad.

    Worsfold is one of the top three AFL coaches. An excellent chance he will be a premiership coach within three years.

    Unlike the idiot my Blues have hired to lead us to oblivion. The players don’t fear him. He will be gone within two years and the incompetent board will get off scott-free like a bunch of corporate spivs who tried to shake down the ASX.

    Dime-a-dozen kiddie con merchant who talks bullshit to the hire-a-spiv boardroom.

  38. feelthebern

    The older I get, a good nights sleep wins by the length of Flemington Straight.
    Daylight second.
    Food & sex are well back in the pack.

  39. Knuckle Dragger

    Tom,

    Agreed. All Bolton needs is a ponytail. The picture will then be complete.

  40. vr

    JC.

    Here is the article.

    They used to have huge capital account surplus’ as well. They have huge financial flows in and then they prevent Chinese from taking out more than $50K a year.

  41. Muddy

    If Cory wishes to be more of a behind-the-scenes leader, that is fine. However, there does need to be a confident, public face to the party; someone who can go toe-to-toe with some of the more cretinous of the malignant media, if necessary.
    Yes, I understand the lack of resources, however, how does a new business find a place in a crowded market among the established competition?
    I’m mixing my metaphors today, because earlier I described politics as a sport, but it is also a business (as is professional sport).
    I’ve stated previously that I’m beyond the ‘vote for us, because at least we’re not them’ point. I find that an insult now, as if they’re really saying ‘You wouldn’t know the difference anyway, moron.’

  42. Knuckle Dragger

    Can’t link to it.

    There’s a UK petition with tens of thousands of signatures on it doing the rounds of the webs.

    It wants a repeat of the 1066 Battle of Hastings, as some are unhappy with the result.

  43. feelthebern

    egg, Strathfield had Jodi McKay as the ALP candidate.
    The ALP played it safe with the old white guy leader who looked like Gil from the Simpsons.
    If Labor went with Jodi McKay, they would have won the election.

  44. Muddy

    people that play there game.

    If we concede that that pack of ferals (the malignant media) will always control the game, then all is lost.
    No, they can be played, and they can also be played against each other. They are not without a plethora of gaps in their papier mache armour. Just because it has not yet been done, doesn’t mean it cannot be done.

  45. JC

    JC.

    Here is the article.

    They used to have huge capital account surplus’ as well. They have huge financial flows in and then they prevent Chinese from taking out more than $50K a year.

    They therefore run a trade deficit?

  46. Rabid Koala

    In other news a muslim has been caught dealing drugs from the boot of his taxi in Sydney

    Migrants committing the crimes Aussies won’t.

  47. JC

    Migrants committing the crimes Aussies won’t.

    So true. Never in the history of the nation has an Australian born Australian citizen ever, ever sold illicit drugs.

  48. vr

    JC — They until recently running Current acount and Capital account surpluses.

  49. Top Ender

    Speaking of Germany, we are in Berlin for four days in June.

    Planning on a WWII walking tour; there is a flak tower I want to visit, and apparently there are a few good museums with WWI/II stuff in them. Beer and sausages, obviously.

    Suggestions welcomed for anything else.

  50. Tailgunner

    Beatles in Hamburg

    Roaring 20’s!
    Respect.

  51. OldOzzie

    OldOzzie
    #2968622, posted on March 24, 2019 at 1:59 pm

    Ozzie

    JC
    #2968608, posted on March 24, 2019 at 1:43 pm

    Your first post was about the landing gear. There doesn’t appear to be any association between the landing gear and how it operates with the two crashes. The problem appears to be nose dipping shortly after takeoff. The gear is back in its chute by then.

    On the Pilots Forum the feeling is that Boeing took the easy way out with the 737 Maxx 8 and the bigger engines – rather than design a new landing gear so that the fuselage was raised higher off the ground and leaving the engines in the 737-800 position, which would have necessitated a redesign of the Landing Gear and Landing Gear Nacelle, for longer Landing Gear to raise the fuselage further off the ground, critical when landing Boeing moved the engines forward and upward

    JC

    just a bit further re Engines and Ground Clearance and Landing and Landing Gear

    737-100

    and

    737 Maxx 8

    and the video of this 737-400 shows the concerns on the length of the landing gear and possibility of engines hitting the runway on landing

    Crosswind landing results in almost crash / Boeing 737 hard touchdown + go around, Prague (LKPR)

  52. JC

    JC — They until recently running Current acount and Capital account surpluses.

    If I recall the old balance of payments stuff..

    If you run a trade surplus, you must by default run a deficit on the capital account. The reverse is also true. A trade deficit must mean a surplus in the capital account. However, it stats I looked at suggest their trade position is pretty much in balance. I guess the fixed exchange means they can be square on the trade side and run a capital account surplus because of the peculiarities caused by a fixed exchange rate.

  53. Rabid Koala

    So true. Never in the history of the nation has an Australian born Australian citizen ever, ever sold illicit drugs.

    Exactly my point. Australia has enough criminals. Why do we need to import more?

  54. JC

    Ozzie

    I don’t understand the point. The landing gear and the big engines being close to ground on landing may be an issue down the road. However, to repeat again, these aren’t considered problems that brought the two planes down. These two planes were in the air, ascending to cruising altitude and the landing gear was taken up. Why are you focused on the landing gear and the engines issue with respect to the crashes?

  55. Infidel Tiger

    The older I get, a good nights sleep wins by the length of Flemington Straight.
    Daylight second.
    Food & sex are well back in the pack.

    Wish I could sleep like I could when I was a teenager.

    Used to be able to hang a wet towel of my erections and sleep like log.

    Don’t waste your youth. Use towel racks.

  56. JC

    Exactly my point. Australia has enough criminals. Why do we need to import more?

    How do you enter the country to live here with a criminal record? If there’s no criminal record, do you suggest immigration use a crystal ball or palm reading in order to detect criminal intent?

  57. DrBeauGan

    I told Cory Bernardi when I met him in Perth that he needed a pr manager like Milo, but preferably not gay, who could go out and say outrageous things that would get attention, because above all, AC needs a high profile.

    He hired a useless nonentity instead, probably a mate. That was dumb.

    So I won’t contribute money or time to AC because it is guaranteed to be a waste.

  58. calli

    The anti-Asian remarks by Daley definitely helped the Libs….

    Then they need to play and replay the Shortenfuhrer’s flatbed racist rant on rapid rotation.

    And the push the #BelieveAllVictims meme.

    That dirty enough?

  59. JC

    JC this is a tad different to your suicide hotline.

    Monster and Climate Harkel called the hotline yesterday. I’m not sure about their longevity after the bawling over the Mueller report. Monst was in the worst shape. Climate harkel was his regular depressed self screaming that the Mueller report’s lack of collusion finding suggested global temps have risen by 3 degs over the past two days.

  60. Cassie of Sydney

    “calli
    #2968882, posted on March 24, 2019 at 6:22 pm
    The anti-Asian remarks by Daley definitely helped the Libs….

    Then they need to play and replay the Shortenfuhrer’s flatbed racist rant on rapid rotation.

    And the push the #BelieveAllVictims meme.

    That dirty enough?”

    It’s a start.

  61. calli

    And never forget the poor Asian pie lady.

    Holy moley he’s a terrible piece of work.

    Daley’s dalliance with the turps is a mere bagatelle.

  62. DrBeauGan

    I reckon Cory is aiming at the stodgy old fart base for AC. So he ain’t getting me.

  63. Rabid Koala

    How do you enter the country to live here with a criminal record?

    Ask Man Minis

    If there’s no criminal record, do you suggest immigration use a crystal ball or palm reading in order to detect criminal intent?

    Maybe we should just end all unskilled and semi skilled immigration and only allow in highly skilled immigrants where it can be proven there is a genuine vacancy that cannot be filled by locals.

  64. calli

    Bugger!

    I’m booked on this next June. Adventures await! 😄

  65. dover_beach

    737 MAX 8.

    You had to go there, LL, didn’t you.

  66. JC

    …where it can be proven there is a genuine vacancy that cannot be filled by locals.

    How would you do that – application to the Federal court for an evidentiary hearing with QCs and long briefs?

  67. Farmer Gez

    Prediction.
    The Darling River will be flowing freely within a fortnight making fools again of the doom merchants.
    Get out the stocks and a supply of salmonella eggs for the climate idiots.

  68. JC

    Ask Man Minis

    One gets through and that’s the rule now?

  69. feelthebern

    Evacuating 1300 passengers & crew via chopper?
    Would have taken forever.

  70. Nick

    I told Cory Bernardi when I met him in Perth that he needed a pr manager like Milo, but preferably not gay, who could go out and say outrageous things that would get attention, because above all, AC needs a high profile.

    1. Actual policies that speak to the man in the street
    2. Relevance and consideration as an alternate option that will at least fight for issues

  71. one old bruce

    Just got a leaflet in my mailbox from Senator Brian Burston, UAP, ‘The Chinese govt has secretly built an airport in WA that THEY CONTROL!’ (caps in original).

    There’s a pic of an air strip surrounded by red sand. Then on another page another pic, ‘Cape Preston in the Pilbarra – also controlled by a Chinese Government-owned company’.

    I knew nothing about this, but will Burston be able to change anything? What choices do we have?

  72. Notafan

    If we wait for the candidate that perfectly aligns with all our views on policy and strategy, the only person we could possibly vote for is ourselves.

  73. calli

    But Gez. A million dead fish! And all the Lib’s fault.

    Labor, of course, sends the rain.

    They’re magic.

  74. OldOzzie

    JC
    #2968875, posted on March 24, 2019 at 6:15 pm

    Ozzie

    I don’t understand the point. The landing gear and the big engines being close to ground on landing may be an issue down the road. However, to repeat again, these aren’t considered problems that brought the two planes down. These two planes were in the air, ascending to cruising altitude and the landing gear was taken up. Why are you focused on the landing gear and the engines issue with respect to the crashes?

    JC

    MCAS was created by the landing gear and engine issue

    All I can say is skip forward to 9 mins on the video below and listen to what is stated and look at the diagrams posted during the rest of the video

    737 Max UPDATE 20 March 2019

  75. bespoke

    They are not without a plethora of gaps in their papier mache armour. Just because it has not yet been done, doesn’t mean it cannot be done.

    How though?

  76. feelthebern

    old bruce, it’s landing strip next to a mine site.
    Who gives a shit.

  77. calli

    Oh, except when the rain causes floods.

    That is all down to Conservatives.

  78. Rabid Koala

    Get out the stocks and a supply of salmonella eggs for the climate idiots.

    How are the climate alarmists responsible for the salmonella outbreak?

  79. one old bruce

    Clive Palmer seems to have found an issue. It made me read one of his pamphlets, unlike the ones with his pic on the cover.

  80. bespoke

    “Brand new love after lockup” Ch9. FFS! all this is a waist of time.

  81. Geriatric Mayfly

    Carson QC who prosecuted Oscar Wilde and also prosecuted Cadbury in their libel suit against the Evening Standard, delivered a Oscarism himself. ‘I was brought to tears by my own eloquence.’
    Cadbury won and the jury awarded one farthing in damages. All to do with alleged slave labour in the cocoa plantations of West Africa.

  82. feelthebern

    Cory’s problem is that he’s from the landed gentry.
    In another generation, his line will be similar to the Downers today.
    He’s a born salesman, not a leader of a movement.
    Back to tweed jackets & sleep-ins post the next election.
    My tip, One Nation has as many Senators as the Greens do now post the election.
    At the expense of everyone except the Greens.

  83. vr

    JC– The Chinese central bank is buying the forex. Just look at their reserves. One of the reasons they can maintain their currency.

  84. Muddy

    #vfubalwnt
    #voteforusbecauseatleastwe’renotthem

  85. bespoke

    Nick
    #2968895, posted on March 24, 2019 at 6:29 pm
    1. Actual policies that speak to the man in the street

    Free stuff

  86. calli

    How are the climate alarmists responsible for the salmonella outbreak?

    In the same way that I am responsible for Glowball Warmening.

    But I am unworthy of a rare salmonella egg. Such a thing of scarcity and wonder should, no I say must, be delivered by air to a climate alarmist.

    It’s only fair.

  87. DrBeauGan

    1. Actual policies that speak to the man in the street
    2. Relevance and consideration as an alternate option that will at least fight for issues

    The man in the street has zero interest in policies. He’s interested in his hip pocket and his footy team. Neither does he care tuppence for politicians fighting on issues.

    The media will destroy AC as they did the ALA. By ignoring it. Cory’s challenge is to not be ignored. He is failing miserably.

  88. Muddy

    bespoke
    #2968901, posted on March 24, 2019 at 6:30 pm

    They are not without a plethora of gaps in their papier mache armour. Just because it has not yet been done, doesn’t mean it cannot be done.

    How though?

    I’m not sure you could afford my advice, bespoke.
    Do I have to provide the charisma AND the wisdom?

  89. Diogenes

    Just got a leaflet in my mailbox from Senator Brian Burston, UAP, ‘The Chinese govt has secretly built an airport in WA that THEY CONTROL!’ (caps in original).

    Featured in a TV ad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpBnCtK5YXM

    Wow(!) it is just like the ones RAAF use in the NT & Qld (@ 25sec mark) – ooh scary boogah boogah boogah – What does Palmer expect, the Chinese will build circular runways ? I see no fuel farms or ammo bunkers

  90. herodotus

    AC’s Energy Policy has been up there and readable for yonks, bu they need to sell it, that’s true.

    • GasAustralians deserve the most reliable and affordable energy in the world.
    • With electricity generation, we are technology-agnostic but subsidy-averse.
    • We support nuclear power and a nuclear fuel cycle industry.
    • We support all forms of electricity generation and will provide them with legislative certainty and legal protection.
    We do not support any renewable energy targets.
    • We will remove all taxpayer and cross subsidies to electricity generation.
    • We will require all electricity supplied to the grid to be useable – that is, predictable and consistent in output (kWhrs) and synchronous (at the required 50 Hz range).
    • We will allow market forces to provide the most efficient power generation available.
    We will withdraw from the Paris Climate Accord.

    Electricity
    Australia should have the cheapest and most reliable electricity in the world. We have world-scale and world-class coal, gas and uranium reserves. Yet our electricity sector no longer reflects that.
    Australian Conservatives are open to any form of electricity generation, and will provide legislative certainty for the ongoing use of fossil fuels. We will remove the barriers to building more dams for hydro-power and clear the way for nuclear power as well as a nuclear fuel cycle industry.
    Gas
    Australia should also have the cheapest and most reliable gas supply in the world.
    We will support landholders’ rights to allow gas production on their properties, and to a reasonable return for that access and extraction, to help ensure there are sufficient quantities available for our domestic and export markets.
    Renewable Energy and Climate Change
    Australia produces less than 1.5% of global CO2 emissions. Even if our emissions were reduced to zero, it would make no perceptible difference to the climate.
    Ideological obsessions with uneconomic renewable technologies to meet unrealistic emissions targets to prevent ‘climate change’ have made our energy unreliable and expensive. Targets and subsidies for renewable energy distort the market and disadvantage consumers. Australian Conservatives are open to renewable energy as an option for electricity generation but we oppose taxpayer and cross-subsidies to support it.

    Australian Conservatives will scrap all taxpayer and cross-subsidies for electricity generation and allow market forces to determine the best outcomes for Australian consumers and business.

  91. Farmer Gez

    How are the climate alarmists responsible for the salmonella outbreak?

    Rotten eggs lack the lingering punishment deserved by the wailing wankers.

  92. Mater

    How do you enter the country to live here with a criminal record? If there’s no criminal record, do you suggest immigration use a crystal ball or palm reading in order to detect criminal intent?

    You’re right JC. The criminal record issue is an interesting one. The limitations:

    1. A number of these countries have laws that are so fundamentally different to ours that it negates the utility. Eg. An honour killing is not necessarily illegal in some countries, hence no criminal record. Doesn’t necessarily mean that they haven’t carried out what we would consider criminal behaviour.

    2. Many of these countries are lucky to have any law and order let alone a law and order database. Hence, no criminal record. Doesn’t necessarily make them a suitable immigrant.

    Criminal checks really only work from countries with similar laws, and a functioning (legitimate) justice system. Otherwise, other methods of filtering might need to be employed. Perhaps profiling and collective treatment is our only real defence.

  93. feelthebern

    Clive Palmer seems to have found an issue. It made me read one of his pamphlets, unlike the ones with his pic on the cover.

    The Chinese will sue, appeal, sue Clive in a manner that will make the Bond Corp, Bell Financial litigation look like chump change.
    They didn’t care when he was in parliament last time.
    They don’t care now or in the future.
    Globally, China Inc (supposedly on the direct instruction Xi) are suing a range of parties who they believe dudded them.
    Palmer is top of the list.

  94. herodotus

    Some cut and paste errors there!

  95. Knuckle Dragger

    Back to Kid Rock.

    My ‘friend’ is a detective, and used to ply that trade in Dannograd before it became woofterised.

    He and his colleagues used to play a bit of KR (Bawitdaba, look it up) at concert level on the way to executing search warrants on bad eggs high on the scale of likelihood to have nasty weapons and stuff at their houses.

    Five 30 something large males in their prime, wearing trenchcoats and carrying battering rams, massive bolt cutters and other stuff usually reserved for the firies, listening to this stuff just before descending on a hive of villainy at daybreak. Woe betide anyone unlucky enough to be inside when ‘they’ hit the door.

    Inspiring stuff, and made my ‘friend’ nostalgic for when police work was a contact sport.

    Thank you, Kid Rock. Thank you.

  96. one old bruce

    Daley actually spoke honestly for us Sydney-ites about jobs for the young-uns and so on. But from experience we know his party won’t let him do anything about it. Only union stooge chameleons advance in the ALP now, funneling resources to their mates while tiptoeing around the base. It’s kind of pathetic, Daley doesn’t see how out of place he is now. I wonder if his wife will let him join Latham, they have common trajectories.

  97. vlad

    How do you enter the country to live here with a criminal record?

    The Poms like to joke: “I didn’t know you still needed one.” Fortunately we have a sense of humour Down Under. Don’t try cracking jokes at UK Customs.

  98. feelthebern

    Daley actually spoke honestly for us Sydney-ites about jobs for the young-uns and so on.

    Oh my, statist alert.

  99. feelthebern

    Here’s a way for jobs for the young-uns.
    Abolish payroll tax.

  100. DrBeauGan

    bespoke
    #2968913, posted on March 24, 2019 at 6:40 pm
    Nick
    #2968895, posted on March 24, 2019 at 6:29 pm
    1. Actual policies that speak to the man in the street

    Free stuff

    The hip pocket. Known to work.

  101. OldOzzie

    ALP proposals mean company taxes could soon be lower than yours

    James Gerrard


    Tax treatment of personal assets in Australia could be about to change in a very major way — one that might just bring holding ­assets in company structures into the mainstream.

    A federal election looms in May and the favourite in the race — the ALP — has flagged two key changes to taxation of personally held investments.

    If passed as legislation, it will shake up the way everyday Australians structure their wealth. For the bold, there are decisions to be made to get ahead of the curve.

    First, in a policy designed to “help put the Australian dream of home ownership back within the reach of middle and working class families”, shadow treasurer Chris Bowen announced plans to reduce the capital gains tax discount rate from 50 per cent to 25 per cent. In addition to projected social benefits, the change will also provide Labor with a tidy $8.6 billion in additional tax revenue per year.

    Sydney accountant Luke Star from Star & Associates says: “Personally held assets owned for more than 12 months currently benefit from the capital gains tax discount rate of 50 per cent. For someone on the highest marginal tax bracket of 47 per cent tax, their effective tax rate on capital gains is 23.5 per cent at present. However under Labor’s proposal this will increase to 35.25 per cent — effectively creating a 11.75 per cent tax increase on capital gains.”

    Labor has noted that the policy will not adversely affect superannuation funds, small business and existing assets which will be grandfathered. So we will have assets that are classed pre-2019 or post-2019 for CGT purposes.

    Most Australians choose to accumulate wealth in their personal names rather than more complex structures such as trusts and companies. In other words, the benefit derived from the 50 per cent CGT discount by the average mum and dad investor has been significant since its introduction by the Howard government in 1999.

    Making changes to this will create ripples as people will pay significantly more capital gains tax over time. High-income earners in particular face the prospect of paying a higher rate of capital gains tax compared to, say, an ASX-listed company.

    Lance Cunningham, national tax director at accountants BDO, says: “Traditionally there has been a lack of attractiveness to use a company as an investment vehicle for capital-appreciating assets because companies are not eligible for the CGT discount.

    “Capital gains are generally taxed at 30 per cent, whereas the tax on capital gains by an individual have been taxed at lower rates than this, ranging from 0 per cent for low-income earners to 23.5 per cent for those on the highest marginal tax bracket.”

    The reduction in the CGT discount rate will take away some of the bias against using company structures for investing although Mr Cunningham notes that using a company structure only provides a deferral of tax.

    “When the gains are eventually paid out of the company as a franked dividend, they will be subject to tax in the hands of the shareholder, with top-up tax of up to 17 per cent payable.”

    So using a company can make sense where the investor plans to reinvest income and gains and withdraw dividends only in future financial years when their total taxable income falls into the lower personal tax brackets.

    Second, in another controversial tax proposal from Labor expected to add $4.1 billion in tax revenue over the next four years, discretionary trusts will be hit with a new 30 per cent tax on all distributions with a planned start date of July 1. Mr Cunningham says this change would put the tax attributes of companies and discretionary trusts on a more even footing.

    “However, we have very little information on how the 30 per cent trust tax will work so we need to wait to see more information to do a real comparison between companies and trusts,” he said.

    Mr Star says discretionary trusts have been used for decades as asset-protection and succession-planning vehicles.

    “They’re not taxing vehicles,” he said. “Labor are taking an axe to the structure and all it will do is create more tax work for us accountants and more headaches for the families who operate these trusts as we assess and potentially transition them over to fixed and unit trusts.”

    Whether such changes happen is debatable. Assuming Labor wins and the legislation goes through the lower house, Labor’s biggest challenge will be getting it through the Senate, which is likely to be hostile. There is a lot of uncertainty with tax law. People can take positions on likely outcomes and manoeuvre their tax affairs accordingly, but it’s a risky business which may result in a worse outcome compared to had they left things alone.

  102. calli

    I live in a tiny island of blue in a sea of red.

    I don’t expect that to change any time soon.

  103. feelthebern

    herodotus, without increasing the amount of interconnectors between the states, all those policies are a big pile of turd.
    By increasing, I mean doubling & paying for the things.

  104. DrBeauGan

    AC’s Energy Policy has been up there and readable for yonks, but they need to sell it, that’s true.

    It’s a good policy. Which hardly anyone knows about. And how, exactly, do you suggest they sell it? Go door to door?

    Show a bit of sense. Developing some good policies that nobody ever finds out about is a colossal waste of time and energy. Until Cory can get himself a huge media profile, nobody will bother to find out what his policies are.

  105. Cactus

    I actually voted for Latham. Is he perfect? Far from it. But I just figured having him in parliment would have a net positive impact on society. He is a male champion of non PC thought. He is a strong thinker, a bit leftist on economics but his heart is in the right place. He actually wants to help people. Opposite of elites.

  106. Steve trickler

    Check this out. I’ve been following this bloke on and off since Krakatoa blew itself up. He’s good. Really good at what he does. Earthquake forecasts.

    I had this up on the big screen this morning playing in the background. This caught my eye starting around 42:20.

    The amount of oil and gas wells in the USA is staggering. A sight to behold. Wow!



    The good thing is the land can be easily rehabilitated after removal of the infrastructure.

    Check out 1:08:10 for dope growing.

    1:13:42 in Mexico…. you’ll see for yourself.

  107. Some History

    On the news tonight.

    Poor Nick Kirios. Talk about bad luck. Given all the pro tennis players around, Nick attracts about 98% of the defective tennis racquets in the system. That’s incredible. Just after he’s finished a point/match (usually one that he’s lost), Nick looks down to see his racquet-head crumpled; these defective racquets spontaneously self-destruct.

    While such would distress lesser players, Nick remained unfazed by his latest racquet malfunction. Although he lost the match (and another racquet), Nick found time to heap great praise on the chair umpire, further promoting his image as the game’s biggest nice guy.

  108. Muddy

    bespoke.
    Forgive my flippancy, but I’m not keen on laying everything out in this forum (not that I claim to have the complete answers).
    Consider what the media networks (with the exception of the People’s Communist Channel) are, and how they operate. How might they be played against each other?

  109. Caveman

    The Chinese will sue
    Dont need to , their Silk road will takeover all.

  110. one old bruce

    ‘statist alert’ – schoolyard shaming, how childish. It does seem that we sold our birthright for a few trinkets, cheap TVs. Australian Federation was supposed to be a response to the 1890s land boomer robber barons who played dice with our lives back then (1890 Depression worst ever). It seems we never learn. Seems we need a new loyalty test, are you for Australia or globalism? If the latter you’re no better than the Commos in my book (yes yes ‘We didn’t kill as many people’ maybe, yet, who can say?) When did we Australians sign up for this? Did anyone even ask us?

    Comrades!

  111. feelthebern

    Clearly a troll.
    A non-funny one.
    Add to the scroll list.

  112. Cassie of Sydney

    “Cactus
    #2968937, posted on March 24, 2019 at 7:00 pm
    I actually voted for Latham. Is he perfect? Far from it. But I just figured having him in parliment would have a net positive impact on society. He is a male champion of non PC thought. He is a strong thinker, a bit leftist on economics but his heart is in the right place. He actually wants to help people. Opposite of elites.”

    I too voted for Latham and I know a lot of other people who also voted for him. He’s fighting the culture wars…one of the few who does. He will stand up and talk about immigration, talk about Islam, talk about safe schools, talk about Marxist PC rubbish permeating through our schools and universities, talk about feminazis, talk about the demonisation of men…particularly white men, talk about free speech and so on. He has been at the forefront of the culture wars for a a while now and he has even been sued for speaking the truth by an ABC hack.

  113. calli

    I still have the sh*ts with Latham over Pell’s reference. He strikes me as a “free speech, but” type.

    We’ll see.

  114. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Top Ender, did you take a look at the Rick Steves self-guided walking tours?

  115. bespoke

    Forgive my flippancy

    Cheers Muddy

  116. OldOzzie

    Man critical after gang attack in West Melbourne

    Police are pursuing a group of up 10 men, believed to be of African appearance, who were involved in a “brutal” and “confronting” gang attack that left a man in a critical condition over the weekend.

    The 27-year-old was taken to hospital with serious head injuries on Sunday morning and he remains in a critical condition after being hit repeatedly with what was believed to be a metal pole or baseball bat.

    No arrests have been made.

    Acting Detective Sergeant Simon Watts said the victim had been “confronted by a group of African males” after he stepped out of a car in busy King St, West Melbourne, about 4.30am.

    “He was hit in the head in a serious assault,” he said.

    “It was quite brutal and quite confronting.”

    It is understood that the victim had been in a black Toyota sedan travelling along King Street, while the offenders emerged from two separate vehicles, a red Subaru and red Mitsubishi.

    According to witnesses, it appeared that the two red cars boxed in the Toyota before the victim, who was a passenger, got out.

    One witness, who did not want to be identified, told the Herald Sun, that “people were

    flooding out of … cars and it was all of them on [to] one”.

    “The worst part was when you saw this metal bar, potentially even a baseball bat, come up in the air and swing down on to his head,” the witness said.

    “That happened a few times and by the end of it you had to wonder how he was alive.”

    The driver of the Toyota is currently helping detectives with their investigation.

    Police do not know what led to the attack, whether the victim was lured out of the car or stepped out of his own volition.

    They are currently reviewing CCTV footage from a nearby house and appealed for anyone with dashcam footage of the incident to come forward.

  117. zyconoclast

    At least 11 senior Cabinet ministers have concluded she is toxic and has to go.

    Goodness, it’s taken an ordinately long time for that penny to drop.

    They knew that from the beginning. It’s why she got the job.
    It was part of the Brexit destruction plan.

  118. Leigh Lowe

    Tom

    #2968848, posted on March 24, 2019 at 5:47 pm

    Worsfold is one of the top three AFL coaches. An excellent chance he will be a premiership coach within three years.

    Unlike the idiot my Blues have hired to lead us to oblivion. The players don’t fear him. He will be gone within two years and the incompetent board will get off scott-free like a bunch of corporate spivs who tried to shake down the ASX.

    Dime-a-dozen kiddie con merchant who talks bullshit to the hire-a-spiv boardroom.

    Mmmyes.
    I would happily take a wet lettuce leaf from Bolton than what Woosher will dish out to the Essendon boys this week.
    Bolton has that faux earnestness and “engaging style” that the media love.
    Nearly every media interview he did before he got the Carlton job had the epilogue from the interviewer …
    “What an impressive young man. What club wouldn’t want that sort of leader and communicator?”
    He was pushed by his media mates and Caarrrlton bought it.
    Remember when Geoff Geischen was the best coach in the country and it was un-fkn-believable that he didn’t have a senior job.
    How did that work out for Richmond?

  119. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    discretionary trusts will be hit with a new 30 per cent tax on all distributions with a planned start date of July 1.

    fascist filth

  120. Top Ender

    Yes, NKP, we’re definitely going to do one of those.

  121. Cassie of Sydney

    Just watching Chris Kenny talk to Ed Husic….who is babbling on about One Nation being a racist party and how the Libs should preference them last…Kenny the spineless toadie and imbecile doesn’t say anything about the Labor party preferencing the Greens. Fuck…Kenny should have thrown it back…saying the Libs will preference ON last when Labor preferences the Greens last. Pathetic…..

  122. Leigh Lowe

    Tom

    #2968848, posted on March 24, 2019 at 5:47 pm

    Worsfold is one of the top three AFL coaches. An excellent chance he will be a premiership coach within three years.

    Unlike the idiot my Blues have hired to lead us to oblivion. The players don’t fear him. He will be gone within two years and the incompetent board will get off scott-free like a bunch of corporate spivs who tried to shake down the ASX.

    Dime-a-dozen kiddie con merchant who talks bullshit to the hire-a-spiv boardroom.

    Mmmyes.
    I would happily take a wet lettuce leaf from Bolton than what Woosher will dish out to the Essendon boys this week.
    Bolton has that faux earnestness and “engaging style” that the media love.
    Nearly every media interview he did before he got the Carlton job had the epilogue from the interviewer …
    “What an impressive young man. What club wouldn’t want that sort of leader and communicator?”
    He was pushed by his media mates and Carlton bought it.
    Remember when Geoff Geischen was the best coach in the country and it was unbelievable that he didn’t have a senior job.
    How did that work out for Richmond?

  123. Leigh Lowe

    Moderation.
    I give up.

  124. Leigh Lowe

    Tom

    #2968848, posted on March 24, 2019 at 5:47 pm

    Worsfold is one of the top three AFL coaches. An excellent chance he will be a premiership coach within three years.

    Unlike the idiot my Blues have hired to lead us to oblivion. The players don’t fear him. He will be gone within two years and the incompetent board will get off scott-free like a bunch of corporate spivs who tried to shake down the ASX.

    Dime-a-dozen kiddie con merchant who talks bullshit to the hire-a-spiv boardroom.

    Mmmyes.
    I would happily take a wet lettuce leaf from Bolton than what Woosher will dish out to the Essendon boys this week.
    Bolton has that faux earnestness and “engaging style” that the media love.
    Nearly every media interview he did before he got the Carlton job had the epilogue from the interviewer …
    “What an impressive young man. What club wouldn’t want that sort of leader and communicator?”
    He was pushed by his media mates and Caarrrlton bought it.
    Remember when Geoff Geischen was the best coach in the country and it was un-fkn-believable that he didn’t have a senior job.
    How did that work out for Richmond?

  125. Nick

    LL, as a Carlton supporter, I think you are on the money.

  126. MatrixTransform

    Police do not know what led to the attack

    global warming

  127. Leigh Lowe

    OldOzzie

    #2968952, posted on March 24, 2019 at 7:22 pm

    Man critical after gang attack in West Melbourne

    Police are pursuing a group of up 10 men, believed to be of African appearance, who were involved in a “brutal” and “confronting” gang attack that left a man in a critical condition over the weekend.

    The 27-year-old was taken to hospital with serious head injuries on Sunday morning and he remains in a critical condition after being hit repeatedly with what was believed to be a metal pole or baseball bat.

    And the arsehole from VikPol says “We are unsure why he got out of his car.”
    So the message is that if you don’t “run, duck and hide” from the JBs, you had it coming.

  128. Bruce of Newcastle

    Poor Nick Kirios. Talk about bad luck. Given all the pro tennis players around, Nick attracts about 98% of the defective tennis racquets in the system. That’s incredible. Just after he’s finished a point/match (usually one that he’s lost), Nick looks down to see his racquet-head crumpled; these defective racquets spontaneously self-destruct.

    He’s endlessly entertaining. Just when you think he has blown it all he comes out in a dominant performance which is utterly world class.

    Nick Kyrgios steps up war on ‘Big Three’ after Novak Djokovic’s shock loss (10 days ago)

    Kyrgios, who beat Rafael Nadal, Stan Wawrinka and Alexander Zverev to win last week’s Mexico Open, was expected to meet top seed Novak Djokovic in a mouth-watering third-round clash.

    How good is that?! Awesome!

    Nick Kyrgios calls umpire ‘a f***ing disgrace’ and smashes racquet on court (today)

    Two weeks from hero to zero. Sports writers must love him.

  129. Leigh Lowe

    Police do not know what led to the attack, whether the victim was lured out of the car or stepped out of his own volition.

    Why the fuck does that matter?
    He had his head caved in by a group (not gang) of JBs, but now we are trying to figure out how he ended up on the outside of his car.
    VikPol are setting him up for provocation and “racist comments” will be their go to plan.
    Probably already putting the word out via communidy leaders … “was there any provocation which could have caused this?”

  130. Percy Popinjay

    Hey Sinc, please allow that poor li’l ol’ political prisoner free!

    🙂

  131. Indolent

    I actually voted for Latham.

    Me too.

    As I should add that I doubt the One Nation’s energy policy is that different from AC’s. They bell the cat with “climate change”.

  132. zyconoclast

    I told Cory Bernardi when I met him in Perth that he needed a pr manager like Milo, but preferably not gay, who could go out and say outrageous things that would get attention, because above all, AC needs a high profile.

    He hired a useless nonentity instead, probably a mate. That was dumb.

    So I won’t contribute money or time to AC because it is guaranteed to be a waste.

    Lyle Shelton
    Federal Communications Director

    Achievements

    Coalition for Marriage – Spokesperson and Director

    Australian Christian Lobby – Chief of Staff and Managing Director

    Toowoomba City Councillor – elected 2000, re-elected 2004

    Youth pastor – Toowoomba City Church

    Journalist – Queensland Country Life, Rural Press Limited

    BA Journalism – University of Southern Queensland

  133. JC

    Mater
    #2968922, posted on March 24, 2019 at 6:45 pm

    How do you enter the country to live here with a criminal record? If there’s no criminal record, do you suggest immigration use a crystal ball or palm reading in order to detect criminal intent?

    You’re right JC. The criminal record issue is an interesting one. The limitations:

    1. A number of these countries have laws that are so fundamentally different to ours that it negates the utility. Eg. An honour killing is not necessarily illegal in some countries, hence no criminal record. Doesn’t necessarily mean that they haven’t carried out what we would consider criminal behaviour.

    2. Many of these countries are lucky to have any law and order let alone a law and order database. Hence, no criminal record. Doesn’t necessarily make them a suitable immigrant.

    Criminal checks really only work from countries with similar laws, and a functioning (legitimate) justice system. Otherwise, other methods of filtering might need to be employed. Perhaps profiling and collective treatment is our only real defence.

    Lol.. true. I shouldn’t assume just Danish and French backpackers.

  134. DrBeauGan

    Achievements

    Coalition for Marriage – Spokesperson and Director

    Australian Christian Lobby – Chief of Staff and Managing Director

    Toowoomba City Councillor – elected 2000, re-elected 2004

    Youth pastor – Toowoomba City Church

    Journalist – Queensland Country Life, Rural Press Limited

    BA Journalism – University of Southern Queensland

    Another who is all tactics, no strategy, and oodles of charisn’tma.

  135. Knuckle Dragger

    Sadly, LL, agree.

    There are two reasons for old mate to be out of his car. One, to confront the enraged impi. Two, to escape them.

    Both scenarios are walk-up starts for complaints made by the crooks, regardless of their actual motives.

    Either way, Acting Sergeant Muppet has just gifted the villains a defence. Hopeless.

  136. Knuckle Dragger

    Apologies. Not a defence.

    Rather, a mitigating circumstance to be used before sentencing, which will no doubt result in bugger all actual punishment – if any.

  137. Leigh Lowe

    Nick

    #2968964, posted on March 24, 2019 at 7:38 pm

    LL, as a Carlton supporter, I think you are on the money

    Yes, Nick.
    Nearly every other half-decent coach – Buckley, the Scotts, Hinckley, Buckley, Worsfold – does the presser after a loss and mouths the usual cliches, but you can tell they are seething.
    Bolton just quacks on about “the learnings” and “development opportunities”.
    He looks like he really believes it, or maybe sees it as the best way of keeping his job.
    Having said that, Bolton is still only in the silver medal position as far as that goes.
    The clubhouse leader is Ross Lyon, by a long way.

  138. DrBeauGan

    The last thing AC needs is a good Christian stodge. What they need is a hard, mean, subtle, devious, evil bastard.

    And no, I’m not volunteering.

  139. Roger

    Lyle Shelton led the public campaign against “ssm” during the plebiscite, largely alone as ostensibly conservative politicians and bishops went AWOL.

    He copped a lot of personal flak.

    He is fearless.

    BeauGan is mistaken…as usual.

  140. Atoms for Peace

    Good old Melbourne. What a shite hole. Is that why we need some new Gabfest committee to freshen up the image of straya? Those run rabbit run ads were prophetic.

  141. Leigh Lowe

    Either way, Acting Sergeant Muppet has just gifted the villains a defence. Hopeless.

    Exactly.
    VikPol have deliberately telegraphed a “get out of jail free” card to the JBs.

  142. Bruce of Newcastle

    Cats you all are forgetting the roadmap. The roadmap is the same all over the world.

    The Australian Conservatives are being given the silent treatment now. Zero publicity.
    That means they must go grass roots at the lowest possible level. Win over each voter below the radar.
    When, or if, they get a solid base, and start to register as a threat they will get coverage.
    Instead of nonentities they will instantly be Satan Incarnate.
    That is what happened to AfD, Vox and the new Dutch party that won the election recently.
    As a party of Satan they will be damned by the MSM incessantly.
    Which means they can only build a grass roots base.
    There’s absolutely no other way.
    The AC is a Steven Bradbury party.
    That is the only strategy that can work.

  143. JC

    Mater

    But on that very point… I’m pretty sure immigration laws prevent anyone applying for at least a residency or work visa to enter the country if they have a criminal record. How the hell do they check people from countries that are essentially lawless? Somalia?

    Realistically, Somalian immigration is flouting immigration laws as they are unable to check for criminal record.

  144. Cassie of Sydney

    “The AC is a Steven Bradbury party.”

    Except that Steven Bradbury was there at the start of the race and won the race when all the other contestants fell over themselves….I don’t even see the AC the start.

  145. Atoms for Peace

    Other than policing road laws to the nth degree, what else does VicPol do?

  146. Shy Ted

    Once again Shy Ted brings you secretly recoded audio of current topics –
    ScoMo: Stan, would you like to be a liberal MP?
    TanGrant: What do I have to do?
    ScoMo: Talk to people, promise them stuff.
    TanGrant: Will I have an autocue to read from?
    ScoMo: Fraid not.
    TanGrant: I’m happy in my current position but thanks anyway.

  147. Atoms for Peace

    JC. You could ask the same questions about M13 etc in the states. As long as the bastards don’t land in the high priced enclaves where our betters live, it will keep happening

  148. Percy Popinjay

    what else does VicPol do?

    Frame their ideological enemies.

  149. Cassie of Sydney

    “Atoms for Peace
    #2969001, posted on March 24, 2019 at 8:22 pm
    Other than policing road laws to the nth degree, what else does VicPol do?”

    Going after Catholic clerics on the basis of hearsay…they’re pretty good at that.

  150. DrBeauGan

    Roger
    #2968995, posted on March 24, 2019 at 8:13 pm
    Lyle Shelton led the public campaign against “ssm” during the plebiscite, largely alone as ostensibly conservative politicians and bishops went AWOL.

    He copped a lot of personal flak.

    He is fearless.

    BeauGan is mistaken…as usual.

    And he failed. But that isn’t so important as trying and copping flak and being fearless.

    I suppose Cory could have done worse. He could have picked you, Roger.

  151. Snoopy

    “Fraser Anning’s despicable claim that the Christchurch victims had it coming because they were Muslims underscores why our party is needed.”

    Lyle Shelton, March 2019

    Who said controversy was beyond him?

  152. DrBeauGan

    The AC is a Steven Bradbury party.”

    Wow! What a selling point.

    The problem that BoN and Roger have is that they are nice guys. This works in some environments, but politics isn’t one of them.

  153. Mark A

    Roger
    #2968995, posted on March 24, 2019 at 8:13 pm
    BeauGan is mistaken…as usual.

    Why?
    Is he a hard, mean, subtle, devious, evil bastard?

    Many opposed ssm, so what?
    Doesn’t make you an instant political operative.

  154. Shy Ted

    Guardian agony aunt column –
    The dilemma I am a man in my late 50s. I am youthful and go to concerts, festivals and art exhibitions. I have been married for 34 years. My wife and I get along quite well. We share a sense of humour, talk often and holiday together. But there has been no sex between us for 15 years. I have always been a sensitive and feminine man. I like emotional movies, poetry, women’s clothes and so on. I like being surrounded by women and feel uncomfortable among men. Lately I have secretly been buying women’s clothes from online stores and have started using makeup when I am alone. This happens often, because I live in my employer’s apartment in another city during the week. I am almost always alone when I am not with my wife. I have no friends any more. I closed all my social media accounts years ago during a period of depression. I am confused about who I am. In which direction should I go? What about my marriage situation? I know I am getting older day by day and that time is running out.
    Could be any number of chaps from our parliament but my guess is he’s just resigned.

  155. Cassie of Sydney

    “The problem that BoN and Roger have is that they are nice guys. This works in some environments, but politics isn’t one of them.”

    Agree 100%. Being “noice” doesn’t get you anywhere.

  156. Knuckle Dragger

    Just texted a friend who is a girl (identifies as such as is biologically female) about something I wanted an answer to.

    Just got a text back – ‘Sssssh, MAFS is on’.

    I’m reasonably confident the fairer sex would rather die in a housefire watching MAFS than miss ten minutes of that dross.

  157. Knuckle Dragger

    AC need someone who goes by the motto, ‘I’m not the hero you wanted. I’m the monster you needed’.

  158. Snoopy

    Did any television news bulletin report the Kyrios melt down? TheirABC didn’t find it newsworthy. Maybe he’s not white enough?

  159. Roger

    He could have picked you, Roger.

    Resorting to the ad hom so soon, BG?

  160. Viva

    Speaking of Germany, we are in Berlin for four days in June.

    Planning on a WWII walking tour; there is a flak tower I want to visit, and apparently there are a few good museums with WWI/II stuff in them. Beer and sausages, obviously.

    Suggestions welcomed for anything else.

    Suggest you check out the “topography of terror” on the site of the Gestapo HQ in Niederkirchnerstrasse

  161. C.L.

    White supremacy latest …

    Man, 27, is fighting for his life after being attacked by a group of armed African men as he stepped out of his Toyota sedan.

    Not Jo-burg. Melbourne.

    ‘The offenders are perceived to be of African appearance,’ a Victoria Police spokeswoman said.

    \

  162. Mark A

    PS
    I was referring to Lyle Shelton not being as described, not DrBG, we know he is.

  163. DrBeauGan

    “Fraser Anning’s despicable claim that the Christchurch victims had it coming because they were Muslims underscores why our party is needed.”

    Lyle Shelton, March 2019

    Says it all, really. With that comment he wrote AC out of the game. He’s a fool. I’m allergic to fools and those who choose to work with them.

    He should have gone way past Anning and got the headlines, got the interviews on telly, and then pointed out that although 99.9% of Muslims are fine people, one in a thousand is a homicidal maniac. Murdering randomly is the act of a madman, and this one also described himself as an ecoterrorist and would therefore fit into the greens party.

    But he chose to show what a lovely person he is, not a bit like Anning. Pfft.

  164. Snoopy

    It has been suggested to Bernardi that he needs to mongrel up. His response was that the AC is not that sort of party and it is committed to promoting civilised discourse.

  165. John Constantine

    Vikpol head office is busy drawing up lists of unsound pale male coppers to be purged so as new recruitment of diversity quotas can be met, thus fulfilling key performance indicator benchmarks for management.

    How many third world peasants do you have to import before vikpol can recruit squads of them willing and able to use the newly purchased military style assault rifles on stale and deplorable old australians refusing to go quietly to the Camps?.

    Comrades

  166. Tel

    The last thing AC needs is a good Christian stodge.

    We already have Christian Democrats, it doesn’t make sense to create two overtly Christian political parties running against one another.

    Also, Christ told the Christians not to enter politics … I think a genuine Christian would only support secular parties. That doesn’t mean their policies should ignore Christian principles, but they should not govern as Christians. Separation of church and state, one of the backbones of a liberal democracy.

  167. Top Ender

    Thanks Viva – just found a Wiki entry on it.

  168. Steve trickler

    A few ladies enjoying the show on top of that canyon.😎

    Good stuff.



  169. DrBeauGan

    I was referring to Lyle Shelton not being as described, not DrBG, we know he is.

    Phew, that’s a relief. I thought my reputation had been shot to shit.

  170. stackja

    C.L.
    #2969022, posted on March 24, 2019 at 8:41 pm

    Service station armed robbery – Lidcombe
    Sunday, 24 March 2019 07:22:17 AM

    Police are appealing for public assistance after an armed robbery at Lidcombe this morning.

    Just after 4am (Sunday 24 March 2019), police were called to a service station on Joseph Street, near Vaughan Street, after reports of an armed robbery.

    Police have been told three males, armed with a knife, threatened the attendant before stealing cigarettes and fleeing on foot.

    The attendant was not injured during the incident.

    Officers from Auburn Police Area Command attended and established a crime scene.

    A search of the surrounding area was conducted with assistance from the Dog Unit, however, no one was located.

    Detectives would like to speak to three males who may be able to assist with their inquiries.

    They are all described as being of African appearance and aged in their late teens or early 20s.

  171. Roger

    Also, Christ told the Christians not to enter politics …

    Where?

  172. Tel

    Realistically, Somalian immigration is flouting immigration laws as they are unable to check for criminal record.

    I doubt whether Somalia even has a full register of their own citizens. It has something like four or five governments operating in parallel, only one of which is recognized by the UN. A lot of the organization is done by religious groups, not government.

  173. Bruce of Newcastle

    DrB – You know it that the AC will be slammed by the media as soon as they are seen as a player. Literal Hitlers. It has been happening in the UK, Hungary, Austria, Spain, Italy, Germany, Sweden and Holland. We don’t have the manic marxist nannies of the EC bureaucracy here so all the AC has to feed off is the slow leftwards drift of the major parties. The Nats have gone wet as wet grass, except for Barnaby, who fell to a wymminses and is now a pariah (sorry Peter!). PHON is drifting left into agrarian socialism and the SFF likewise’ve taken the first steps in that direction with their CSG policy (spit!)

    So they all must discredit themselves for the AC to win. And that’s what they all are doing.

  174. Tel

    Roger #2969036

    Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s, and give unto God that which is God’s.

    Pretty clear requirement for separation of church from state.

  175. DrBeauGan

    Snoopy
    #2969027, posted on March 24, 2019 at 8:44 pm
    It has been suggested to Bernardi that he needs to mongrel up. His response was that the AC is not that sort of party and it is committed to promoting civilised discourse.

    Apart from having ‘LOSER!’ tattooed on his forehead, he couldn’t have done better to commit himself to irrelevance.

  176. Pedro the Ignorant

    Just caught up with that ad from Clive Palmer’s UAP about the dreadful military threat from the Chinese owned airport at Cape Preston in the Pilbara. Treating people as mugs.

    The reality is that the Cape Preston airport is a FIFO destination for Citic Pacific Mining (CPM) Sino Iron project, an open cut iron ore mine and magnetite processing plant 100 km south of Cape Preston port.

    It would be about as useful as a Chinese Air Force base as the MCG.

  177. Bruce of Newcastle

    Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s, and give unto God that which is God’s.

    Tel – That is a stretch of several light years to say it means Christians shouldn’t go into politics.

    I am spectacularly unequipped to enter politics, but never have I thought that I am banned from it by the Bible.

  178. Roger

    Many opposed ssm, so what?

    Few with a profile in public life actually did so.

    They did the calculations and weren’t prepared to face the death threats.

    ACL HQ was car bombed, remember?

  179. DrBeauGan

    DrB – You know it that the AC will be slammed by the media as soon as they are seen as a player. Literal Hitlers. It has been happening in the UK, Hungary, Austria, Spain, Italy, Germany, Sweden and Holland. We don’t have the manic marxist nannies of the EC bureaucracy here so all the AC has to feed off is the slow leftwards drift of the major parties. The Nats have gone wet as wet grass, except for Barnaby, who fell to a wymminses and is now a pariah (sorry Peter!). PHON is drifting left into agrarian socialism and the SFF likewise’ve taken the first steps in that direction with their CSG policy (spit!)

    Yes, of course the MSM will demonise anyone who isn’t useless. Trump demonstrated how you deal with that. Staying low profile and virtuous doesn’t work. If waiting for your opponents to drop dead is your best strategy, by all means vote for AC. I shan’t.

  180. C.L.

    Fairfax now using disturbed anonymous self-mutilators to get Pell again or something …
    Posting the entire article:

    ‘Jen’ knew George Pell well. It meant little when she accused a priest of rape

    At age 19, Jennifer’s life was in freefall. She’d been cutting herself with a razor blade and was spending ever more time locked in her bedroom.

    One day in May 1997, tensions with her father boiled over.

    “He asked me why I hated him. I said, ‘It’s not you I hate. It’s all men. Because this is what happened’.”

    Jennifer* had been raped by a priest when she was eight but had never told anyone. She became one of the first cases tackled by the Melbourne Response, the process to deal with abuse within the Catholic Church that George Pell established two months before he assaulted two boys at St Patrick’s Cathedral.

    Jennifer found the process to be every bit as aloof and calculated as Pell himself. Her family was well-known to Pell, who had been bishop in their area for a decade. He confirmed Jennifer and her younger brother. Yet all this meant little when she came forward.

    Today she feels emboldened – in fact compelled – to speak out about it. She is unlikely to be the only one – law firms believe victims who were paid out under Pell’s scheme may be entitled to tens of millions of dollars in additional compensation.

    Jennifer is firm that this is not the reason she is speaking now. Rather, she wants people to understand the broader spectrum of suffering that happened under the powerful man she used to think of as “he who would be Pope”.

    The man at the apex of the system that failed her has now been convicted of abuse himself, and yet Jennifer found herself reading a newspaper article last month that suggested Pell’s conviction made him a scapegoat for society’s frustrations.

    “Just don’t see this man as a martyr,” Jennifer said. “Not after everything he’s put us through … He is not to be pitied.”

    Jennifer’s 1997 statement to police is hard to read. When she was eight, she was sent by her teacher to a seminary adjacent to her Catholic school in a southern suburb of Melbourne to carry out an errand. While she was looking for something in the chapel cupboard, a priest she didn’t know approached her.

    After grabbing her, he pulled down her tights, raped her and then forced her to perform a sex act on him.

    “I can remember that he said I was bad and evil, and that I was naughty, and that God was watching me,” she told police.

    She remembered nothing about the priest other than that he spoke with a thick Italian accent. The police investigated thoroughly. Jennifer said they were “fantastic”. They believed her but, in the end, there was not enough evidence for a conviction.

    So then: police concluded the assault never happened.

    The bullshit continues:

    Jennifer’s parents said the police had told them the chief suspect had been “moved back to Italy” and this had hampered the investigation. The police also said other people had made complaints about this priest.

    “They said if he were ever to enter the country again, he would be a person of interest to them,” Jennifer’s mother said.

    He could easily be extradited.

    The happy and outgoing child her parents had known changed virtually overnight. For a month afterwards she fiercely resisted going to school. Her parents were worried but never knew the reason for the change.

    In late 1997, Jennifer met the independent commissioner the Church had appointed, Peter O’Callaghan, QC, who ended up serving in the role for 20 years. She also met with the compensation panel and with Carelink, which was co-ordinating health services under the Melbourne Response.

    The process happened in fits and starts. Jennifer said she and her parents “had to instigate everything”, though she also put things on hold herself for just under two years when she went to live overseas.

    “You had to push and push and push. The only reason they took me seriously, I think, was because I went to the police.”

    Her mother recalls the meeting with Mr O’Callaghan as professional but “very lawyerly”. The process struck her as “trying to keep everything within the Church to limit the damage to the Church”.

    “It didn’t seem to take into any account the human damage that had been done.”

    According to Victoria Police, no damage had been done because it didn’t happen.

    AT THIS POINT, YOU MAY WONDER HOW OR WHEN GEORGE PELL IS GOING TO ENTER THE NARRATIVE.

    In 2000, she received a carefully worded pro forma letter from Pell offering her $25,000 as compensation along with a legal agreement that she drop the matter.

    “It is my hope that my offer … will be accepted by you as a preferable alternative to legal proceedings and that it too will assist you with your future,” Pell wrote…

    The family remain astounded that no one senior from the Church – not their local priest, much less Pell – phoned or held a meeting with them.

    “We were known enough in the area and in the Church … and we were just left out in the cold,” Jennifer said.

    They had shared meals with Pell and yet he never once reached out after Jennifer’s case emerged.

    “If he was the man he’s made himself out to be and who we expected him to be, where was the compassion? Where was the Christianity?” Jennifer said.

    Her father put it this way: “You’ve put your trust in people and they’ve betrayed it. And nobody takes responsibility.”

    The key paragraph again:

    Today she feels emboldened – in fact compelled – to speak out about it. She is unlikely to be the only one – law firms believe victims who were paid out under Pell’s scheme may be entitled to tens of millions of dollars in additional compensation.

    ————————————-

    There is nothing in this story that speaks to any wrongdoing by Pell.
    There is evidence the woman was disturbed and that police thought her claims legally worthless.

  181. Peter Campion

    The Nats have gone wet as wet grass, except for Barnaby, who fell to a wymminses and is now a pariah (sorry Peter!).

    Don’t worry, Bruce; that’s part of the reason I told him to give himself an uppercut.

  182. Roger

    Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s, and give unto God that which is God’s.

    Pretty clear requirement for separation of church from state.

    But it doesn’t forbid Christians from participating in politics.

    In fact, it encourages it.

    “Seek the welfare of the city…”, Jer 29:7..

  183. I’m reasonably confident the fairer sex would rather die in a housefire watching MAFS than miss ten minutes of that dross.

    Factcheck status: TrueD
    Bogans at First Sight” it may be named by most, but over the past week it has been saner viewing than “The Submission of Jacinda” running 24/7, interrupted only by the “Waleed & Scott Love-in”

  184. jupes

    I thought so many voters seemed as sheep on the Climate Change Kool Aid, totally MSM blinded on it. Aust Cons could go in hard there and up their profile very well. If they had the fortitude … it would differentiate them from the Libs who certainly have no guts to do that. The Aust Cons situation could hardly be made worse than its dismal current rating anyway.

    Yep. Beaugy has nailed their pathetic PR strategy:

    He should have gone way past Anning and got the headlines, got the interviews on telly, and then pointed out that although 99.9% of Muslims are fine people, one in a thousand is a homicidal maniac. Murdering randomly is the act of a madman, and this one also described himself as an ecoterrorist and would therefore fit into the greens party.

    There is a time for being civil and nice and there is a time to fight. Cory and Lyle need to learn that lesson quick fucking smart.

  185. DrBeauGan

    Roger
    #2969044, posted on March 24, 2019 at 8:56 pm
    Many opposed ssm, so what?

    Few with a profile in public life actually did so.

    They did the calculations and weren’t prepared to face the death threats.

    ACL HQ was car bombed, remember?

    So they were gutless creeps, unwilling to stand up for their beliefs. Just the sort you want on your side when the chips are down. No wonder the other guys are winning.

  186. pete m

    The dutch just showed how a party can go from 0 seats to winning the most.

  187. Nick

    The offenders are perceived to be of African appearance,’

    Maybe it was dark.

  188. pete m

    bugger sorry hit post too soon.

    You need two massive vote winning, cut through the noise issues.

    In Aust it is immigration and energy prices. (cost of living, low wage rises can be linked to energy prices / cost of living issues.)

    AC don’t need someone to PR this.

    Just go hard on some cut through policies and watch the media explode, then cash in.

    Not easy, and the dutch had gift wrapped policies to break through.

  189. jupes

    While such would distress lesser players, Nick remained unfazed by his latest racquet malfunction.

    Mate it’s footy season. Leave such talk until October please.

  190. Tel

    But it doesn’t forbid Christians from participating in politics.

    In fact, it encourages it.

    It forbids them using the apparatus of the State to drive religious purposes. Taxation, military power, police power, and ruling over others are not the domain of Christians.

    The very fundamentalist strict Christians such as the Jehovah Witnesses rule out all political participation. If you don’t want to be quite that strict, it is still wrong for a Christian to rule others AS a Christian. I mean imposing their beliefs onto others.

  191. Leigh Lowe

    “It is my hope that my offer … will be accepted by you as a preferable alternative to legal proceedings and that it too will assist you with your future,” Pell wrote…

    By “legal proceedings” the Church means “settling a civil case out of court”, rather than going down the full-on litigation path.
    Of course, this will now be presented by Fauxfacts as an inducement not to make a criminal complaint … which, incidentally, had already been made.

  192. Memoryvault

    You know it that the AC will be slammed by
    the media as soon as they are seen as a player.

    BoN, stop worrying about the AC. They are on a fast track from nonentity to oblivion, all of their own making. They don’t need any help from the ABC or anyone else.

  193. jupes

    Speaking of Germany, we are in Berlin for four days in June.

    Planning on a WWII walking tour; there is a flak tower I want to visit, and apparently there are a few good museums with WWI/II stuff in them. Beer and sausages, obviously.

    Suggestions welcomed for anything else.

    Berlin is the centre for three things: WW2 history, Cold War history and house music.

    I suggest you avail yourself of plenty of the first two and leave the last one alone. Also watch where you are walking – the boxheads haven’t learnt to pick up their dog shit.

  194. DrBeauGan

    I’m in favour of rational, civilised discourse with people who can reciprocate. If Cory hasn’t yet realised that lefties don’t meet that criterion, he’s on another planet.

  195. Mater

    Good to see you back MV (Peter).
    Hope things are ok.

  196. Nick

    So how can Hanson do what AC can’t ?

  197. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I’ll second that, mater. MV , you traveling O.K.?

  198. Memoryvault

    I’m surviving thanks, Mater.
    After 40 years together being single sucks.

  199. jupes

    The clubhouse leader is Ross Lyon, by a long way.

    Ross is looking quite good at the minute. His team is top of the ladder.

    Still a few games to go before finals though …

  200. zyconoclast

    AC need someone who goes by the motto, ‘I’m not the hero you wanted. I’m the monster you needed’.

    Tee Shirt like this?

  201. stackja

    Tel
    #2969057, posted on March 24, 2019 at 9:07 pm I mean imposing their beliefs onto others.

    Who is imposing beliefs? Leftists are!

  202. Cassie of Sydney

    “Nick
    #2969063, posted on March 24, 2019 at 9:14 pm
    So how can Hanson do what AC can’t ?”

    I think that you have to call a spade a spade….like Latham does and Pauline does too. And Fraser Anning, whether you like him or not, will get a lot more votes next time.

  203. John Constantine

    Entrepreneurial lender Macquarie Group has abandoned the self-managed super fund lending market, making it the last of the major institutions to drop the business.

    In a move that casts a pall on the state of the property market, it has also pulled the plug on “the bank of mum and dad” saying it will no longer make loans backed by parental guarantees.

    Macquarie said in a note to mortgage brokers that do business with the bank that “we’ll no longer be offering family guarantee loans from 18 March 2019, and SMSF residential home loans from 30 April 2019”.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/money/superannuation/2019/03/20/macquarie-dumps-smsf-lending/

    Godless commo new daily funded by godless commo industry super funds with stolen tax money.

    When the property market smells so bad that vultures back away from it, that is a sign of the times.

  204. Bruce of Newcastle

    You need two massive vote winning, cut through the noise issues.

    In Aust it is immigration and energy prices. (cost of living, low wage rises can be linked to energy prices / cost of living issues.)

    Which is why the Libs are lying so blatantly about immigration and energy prices.
    As are the ALP.
    Only when they are discredited can the AC cut through.
    The trouble is Venezuela even now has roughly half the population believing Maduro’s lies.
    Lies work, at least until they reach the final Judge.

  205. RobK

    Good to hear from you MV.

  206. Memoryvault

    Evening Zulu. I’m okay. Dil has been my foundation stone, holding things together, arranging things organising everything, and ferrying me around as needs be.

  207. Cassie of Sydney

    I hope you are okay Memoryvault.

  208. Knuckle Dragger

    C.L., 8.57pm;

    I’ve repeatedly shown my ability to smack Vicpol when required. I won’t on the instance you raise, because:

    1. ‘The police investigated thoroughly. Jennifer said they were “fantastic”‘. Some cases, and the Pell matter is one, where there should not have been a decision made that the brief had enough evidence to provide a reasonable prospect of conviction or finding of guilt.

    For whatever reason (and no one here has access to the complete brief, and must rely on the victim’s statements for the article) a decision at this time was made by senior police on the day. Happens all the time.

    2. Unless you were Al Capone and happened to live in Albury in 1990s, VicPol were not extraditing anyone, particularly from overseas.

    3. The Melbourne Response had absolutely zero to do with Vicpol, nor did the difficulties the victim had with Centrelink, the Church, Pell and his cash offer or anyone else. The victim says herself that the only reason she got attention at all was that the coppers had been involved in her matter in the first place.

    4. The police view was that ‘it didn’t happen’. Bullshit. Who said that? You? There’s no evidence to support that at all. There’s been many a time when investigators knew exactly what happened but couldn’t provide enough ADMISSIBLE evidence to provide the requisite standard of proof at trial.

    There is a vast gulf between a ‘finding of not guilty’ and ‘innocent’.

    I’m one of the biggest critics here of VicPol’s ‘handling’ of the Pell matter, and the government interference that sparked it. From the information you put forward, there’s nothing to correlate the two.

  209. zyconoclast

    So how can Hanson do what AC can’t ?

    All Hanson actually does is grift the more than 4% first preference money/loot.

    The media love and promote her because she is the safe and useless voice of the bogan.

    They use her to ensure all other alternative voices are drowned out.

    It’s a symbiotic relationship between the controllers and the grifter.

  210. Memoryvault

    Evening Rob and Cassie.
    Yes, I’m doing okay.
    Now it’s time to move on.

  211. dover_beach

    Also, Christ told the Christians not to enter politics … I think a genuine Christian would only support secular parties. That doesn’t mean their policies should ignore Christian principles, but they should not govern as Christians. Separation of church and state, one of the backbones of a liberal democracy.

    If we can employ Christian principles then we can engage politically as Christians.

  212. Knuckle Dragger

    AND – should a criminal investigation pull up short, the coppers are specifically precluded from offering legal advice. As in, ‘Hey, the sexual assault case didn’t get up, but you should lodge a civil claim where the standard of proof is lower. You’re a shoo in for that one, and while the crook won’t go to jail you’ll get plenty of coin from the Church’.

    She and she alone makes that decision.

    Yep, the coppers thought her allegations were ‘legally worthless’. Absolute rot.

  213. Leigh Lowe

    It’s half past Mueller Time and mUnter is not here yet.
    I’m worried about him.
    JC, can you do a welfare check and see if he hasn’t choked on a Krispy Kreme or drowned in a sea of salty tears or something.

  214. dover_beach

    The very fundamentalist strict Christians such as the Jehovah Witnesses

    They’re not Christian.

  215. Leigh Lowe

    Ross is looking quite good at the minute. His team is top of the ladder.

    Still a few games to go before finals though …

    Second on pussentage, I think.
    It’s not that Ross doesn’t have the odd win at home.
    It is his annoying habit of gently nudging his players under a bus when things turn to shit.
    It is always “a failure to execute our plans” and “departures from team rules under pressure”.
    It is NEVER “my plan might be shit”.

  216. Old Lefty

    I can’t see Jodi McKay becoming party leader after her outrageous breaches of the NSW code of political conduct. She not only declined Tinkler’s attempted bribe, but reported it to the police and the ICAC; and she denounced Tripodi’s attempts to sabotage her re-election on Tinkler’s behalf. Unforgivable!

  217. Leigh Lowe

    Speaking of Germany, we are in Berlin for four days in June.

    Planning on a WWII walking tour; there is a flak tower I want to visit, and apparently there are a few good museums with WWI/II stuff in them. Beer and sausages, obviously.

    Suggestions welcomed for anything else.

    Golf.
    Just don’t tell the locals you had “two shots in the bunker”.
    Brings back memories of Eva and Adolph in 1945 and could be misconstrued.

  218. Mark A

    Roger
    #2969044, posted on March 24, 2019 at 8:56 pm
    Few with a profile in public life actually did so.

    True and goo on them.

    My point however was that opposing ssm, doesn’t necessarily make you an effective political operator.
    Now that I know his background I am more certain that he is not the right man for the job.

    Sadly the party is doomed with him and Corey at the helm.
    Unless they change their way, I can’t see them succeed.
    Great pity.

  219. Cassie of Sydney

    Why aren’t JW’s Christian?

  220. Boambee John

    MV (Peter)

    Good to see you back.

  221. C.L.

    I’m one of the biggest critics here of VicPol’s ‘handling’ of the Pell matter, and the government interference that sparked it. From the information you put forward, there’s nothing to correlate the two.

    I wasn’t ‘correlating’ the two, whatever that means.
    The accusation is that the mysterious Italian priest molested dozens of children, not just one.
    He could easily have been extradited.

  222. dover_beach

    They’re nontrinitarians for a start.

  223. Bruce of Newcastle

    I can’t see Jodi McKay becoming party leader after her outrageous breaches of the NSW code of political conduct.

    She’s a wymminses of the species Homo mediaitis and therefore magic.

  224. Memoryvault

    Sadly the party is doomed with him and Corey at the helm.
    Unless they change their way, I can’t see them succeed.

    Evening Mark.
    FIFY.

  225. C.L.

    Anyway, the point is Fairfax is encouraging ‘victims’ real and imaginary to go for extra cash on the basis that “Pell” was involved in earlier settlements and “lawyers” are saying recent developments may re-open the bank vault. They’ve tried to write Cardinal Pell into this particular claim with a lazy allusion to alleged meanness (as if the Archbishop himself actually wrote such letters). Incidentally, it would very easy to identify an Italian-speaking priest who served at that particular time in that particular parish. What’s his name?

  226. dover_beach

    The other absurd aspect is the assumption that ‘strict fundamentalist’ sects are faithful to the text.

  227. Memoryvault

    Evening John.
    Just dropped in to see how the Liberal Party Cheer Squad was doing.

  228. Mark A

    Memoryvault

    Good to see you MV.
    Life goes on and we cope the best we can.

  229. Steve trickler

    Enjoy the time you have with family. Today.

    👌



  230. Bruce of Newcastle

    Last time the JWs came by was entertaining.
    Guy introduces himself and I say wait!, and dive inside house.
    I overhear him say to his young offsider “I think we better leave now”.
    I emerge, not with a large firearm but my old Bible, which is held together with sticky tape.
    Their body language relaxes visibly as they realise they aren’t about to be blown away.

    We then do battle with verses for a while, and a good time was had.

    I’m less knowledgeable than Dover, Roger and Calli, but even I can show JWs bible verses they can’t cope with, like Mark 10:18 or John 10:30. Then if they get all numerological I go for Deut 7:9. That usually does it and they wander off.

  231. Knuckle Dragger

    Yeah, I get that C.L. Also that Fewfacts are intent on connecting everything and everyone to Pell and so on.

    Extradition, though, was always going to be a problem at the time. Vicpol at that point were so cost averse that an interstate extradition application for anything short of multiple homicides would struggle to get past the gatekeeper (accountant).

    Part of the application process was highlighting the strength of the prosecution case, and unless you had something approaching a confession, plus damning forensic evidence, plus multiple contemporaneous witnesses/statement of first complaint, then nine times out of 10 it would be ‘too much money, Detective.’

    International extraditions raise the stakes even higher when trying to get approval, and even then a commissioned officer had to be one of the travellers, which served no practical purpose but I assume was an attempt by the brass to keep the other travellers off the grappa.

    In the circumstances you and the article describe in terms of available evidence, I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt it would have had no chance. Perhaps an attempt was made anyway, I don’t know. I would have made one and danced my best, but I would have known the odds in advance.

    This is the same Vicpol, BTW that put out a direction saying you had to use both sides of a piece of paper to write notes on or face disciplinary action to save money, and yet wasted millions on hiring pony tail wearing man boy ‘consultants’ to improve the brass’ public image, and that inadvertently built a multi million dollar police station to house 50 coppers in St.Albans, in a small country town two hours away (St.Arnaud).

    Mate of mine’s personal workspace at St.Arnaud was an office bigger than most metro stations’ muster rooms. I think the crusty old Sgt in charge of the town quickly worked out what was going on, but wisely kept his trap shut. As those kind are wont to do.

  232. Bruce of Newcastle

    MV – Good to see you! You’re probably right about the AC, but quite a few deplorable voters are searching for an antipodean Trump/Thatcher. It is just a matter of finding him or her.

  233. Mark A

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2969102, posted on March 24, 2019 at 10:08 pm
    like Mark 10:18

    Why can’t I be a good person and keep my possessions as well?
    What good will it do if I gave it away for someone to enjoy and prosper from it, if I’m lucky, or squander it?

    At least he would have a good time.
    Sounds very communistic to me.

  234. Armadillo

    Hmm. Interesting rant, Knuckles.

  235. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I too voted for Latham and I know a lot of other people who also voted for him. He’s fighting the culture wars…one of the few who does. He will stand up and talk about immigration, talk about Islam, talk about safe schools, talk about Marxist PC rubbish permeating through our schools and universities, talk about feminazis, talk about the demonisation of men…particularly white men, talk about free speech and so on. He has been at the forefront of the culture wars for a a while now and he has even been sued for speaking the truth by an ABC hack.

    We gave him second preference. Would have been our first choice except in this election we were committed to assisting the Aust Cons, and we guessed Latham would get up without our support anyway. He will be a great asset in the NSW Upper House. We knew the Aust Cons would be struggling. As I’ve said on the Cat recently, on my meetings with Latham I’ve found him really good value lately and a clear standout as a political communicator. The contrast between Latham and the Aust Cons Upper House choice was very marked. The Aust Cons Upper House candidate was a really nice guy, showing competence, but lacked cut through, sounding like some sort of policy officer. Gladys can get away with that for the Libs but in an unknown party it is the kiss of death. There has to be some fire. There was fire in their inaugural meeting in Sydney, but it hasn’t been sustained. Hairy and I will stick with them through the next election, and see if things improve by then. A lot of good people have put in a lot of work so far and all is by no means lost yet.

  236. Memoryvault

    quite a few deplorable voters are searching for an antipodean Trump/Thatcher.

    There’s truth in that, BoN. Last time I checked the vote for the the Liberals, Labor, the Nats and the Greens were all down compared to last the State election. Those first preference votes all went to the Shooters, other small parties, and independents.

    Not that it makes much difference now.
    As a nation it’s a one way trip to ruination from here on in.

  237. DrBeauGan

    The Aust Cons Upper House candidate was a really nice guy, showing competence, but lacked cut through, sounding like some sort of policy officer. Gladys can get away with that for the Libs but in an unknown party it is the kiss of death. There has to be some fire. There was fire in their inaugural meeting in Sydney, but it hasn’t been sustained. Hairy and I will stick with them through the next election, and see if things improve by then. A lot of good people have put in a lot of work so far and all is by no means lost yet.

    I do like to see sunny optimism.

  238. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    As a nation it’s a one way trip to ruination from here on in.

    Two terms of a Shorten /Plibersek Govenment will make the Whitlam Government look a model of good governance, and the resulting economic train smash will make the Great Depression like like a tea party.

  239. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    It’s half past Mueller Time and mUnter is not here yet.
    I’m worried about him.
    JC, can you do a welfare check and see if he hasn’t choked on a Krispy Kreme or drowned in a sea of salty tears or somethin

    maybe he self-immolated in disgust/protest

  240. struth

    Good to see you back MV.

    Thought it might have been about time.
    Got a drink in yer hand.
    I have.
    Cheers.

  241. Fleeced

    So, there’s a change.org petition for NZ PM, Jacinda Adern, to be given the Nobel Peace Prize. It has over 20,000 signatures.

    I know, it’s just a change.org petition, but… based on trends, I would be surprised if the campaign works.

    She’s a woman: check. She’s got victim status: check. Whilst acknowledging white guilt (in this case, literally): check. She’s appeasing muslims: check. She implementing gun control: check. She’s not Trump: check. By their own standards, she’d have to be the best bet, wouldn’t she?

    Oddly, the terrorist said he expected to one day receive a Nobel Peace Prize for his actions… in a roundabout way, he might get one (in causing one to be given to Jacinda).

    The Nobel Peace prize is already on par with the Gold Logie in terms of value, but this is getting silly.

  242. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Sophie York heads the Senate ticket for the Aust Cons in the Federal Election. She might be able to get some traction. Shame Riccardo isn’t either first or second there instead of third, as he also has firepower. Hope he speaks up well anyway.

  243. Fleeced

    I would be surprised if the campaign works

    I wouldn’t be surprised (obvious from context, but “grrr” anyway… always notice these things after I post)

  244. Bruce of Newcastle

    Why can’t I be a good person and keep my possessions as well?

    Mark – What? How do you get that from Mark 10:18?

    18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.

    That sets up a logical equation for my Jehovah’s Witness friends: either Jesus is God, or he is evil.
    I like it as most people reading this passage go for the camel and needle bizzo, whereas this is the real zinger.

    Misdirection is a fine thing, so I will now misdirect you to a picture of my late night lady friend. Taken just now. She’s very pregnant, although you can’t see that in the photo.

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.