Hypocrisy and bullshit

Following the terrorist attack in Christchurch last week the Morrison government (and others) is seizing the opportunity to blame social media companies.

Here is Scott Morrison on Twitter:

Shocking – 69 minutes. Now this isn’t a criticism of the NZ police but it took them 36 minutes to respond and apprehend the shooter.  What does Facebook say it did:

  • The video was viewed fewer than 200 times during the live broadcast. No users reported the video during the live broadcast. Including the views during the live broadcast, the video was viewed about 4000 times in total before being removed from Facebook.
  • The first user report on the original video came in 29 minutes after the video started, and 12 minutes after the live broadcast ended.
  • Before we were alerted to the video, a user on 8chan posted a link to a copy of the video on a file-sharing site.
  • In the first 24 hours, we removed about 1.5 million videos of the attack globally. More than 1.2 million of those videos were blocked at upload, and were therefore prevented from being seen on our services.

Sounds like they did heaps … and worked hard at doing it.

For anyone interested the September 11 footage can be seen here.  Many Cats will remember that terrorist attack being broadcast on national television.

Then there is the executive chairman of News Corp Australasia.

Facebook did not permit anyone to do anything. The shooter did not ask permission. He abused a service they offer. Facebook are a victim here too.

Now I’m a huge fan of News Corp but their hypocrisy here is breathtaking. On Monday – yes, the day before yesterday – Chris Mitchell was bragging about how The Australian published a photo of a child holding a severed head on their front page.

But the former Fairfax Media and the ABC criticised this paper for publishing a photo of Sharrouf with one of his children holding a severed head in Syria in August 2014. Their pious tut-tutting was short-lived after papers around the world published the same picture on their front pages the next day.

By Tuesday this sort of thing was unacceptable. Who is piously tut-tutting now?

So here is the story – new platform businesses are disrupting old platform businesses. The traditional media are being disrupted by new digital businesses such as Facebook and Google.  News Corp is running off to the regulators:

The ACCC’s inquiry focuses on digital search engines, social media platforms and other digital content aggregation platforms that affect competition in media and advertising markets. It found in it its draft report last year that Google and Facebook market dominance had affected traditional publishing companies.

In its submission, News Corp said it supported the ACCC’s recommendations to regulate digital platforms and address the lack of transparency of algorithms, but it would like the regulator to go further by forcing Google to sell its search engine, or retain Google Search and divest the rest of its businesses to a third party.

Opportunism on the part of politicians to be seen to be “doing something” and rent-seeking on the part of incumbents seldom results in good policy – especially when those interests converge.

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84 Responses to Hypocrisy and bullshit

  1. stackja

    He abused a service they offer.

    Make the abuser the criminal? Why do some abuse other services and not face sanction?

  2. Entropy

    Sure. It is time though, that if it is expected to control content, Facebook was treated like the publisher it is.
    It can’t censor curate content and still avoid the same rules other publishers are forced to comply with.

  3. Bruce of Newcastle

    These are either carriage services, whereupon they aren’t responsible for the users’ content, or they are publishers, who are responsible.

    The problem is that the likes of Google/YouTube, Facebook and Twitter is they have been politicised so badly that they appear to have cost the Republicans the midterm elections, due to propaganda and censoring opponents.

    Therefore since they have chosen to play the game they must be responsible for the choice they made.

    I have no sympathy for them. None.

  4. Adelagado

    The problem with these videos is that it gives the lunatics an extra reason to carry out the act. It gives them instant uncensored viral fame. This is a new phenomenon.

    Something does need to be done to stop these ‘selfie massacres’ being uploaded in the first place – not just being taken down after the event.

  5. Roger

    Opportunism on the part of politicians to be seen to be “doing something” …

    I’m not one for conspiracy theories but it’s fairly transparent what’s going on here and it’s not about the “optics” of “doing something”.

    It’s more sinister than that.

    I’m told there’s a maxim in political circles:

    Never let a good crisis go to waste.

    Note, for example, Ardern’s reactions: in the immediate wake of the massacre she stated that the shooter had imported an alien ideology to NZ. Within a week she’d severely curtailed the ability of law abiding NZers to own certain firearms and promised lengthy prison sentences to any who failed to comply.

    The target now is alternative media sources, over which the powers that be would love to exercise greater control.

    Morrison is bad enough, but he is small beer compared to what a Shorten-Plibersek government will attempt.

  6. Snoopy

    Anyone who is an eyewitness to a horrific crime should have their tongue cut out and their hands chopped off so they can’t tell or write about what they saw.

  7. stackja

    OT posting mentioned twitter account saying the Cat was run by our ‘friend’ Graeme. Has twitter sanctioned the account holder?

  8. John Bayley

    Something does need to be done to stop these ‘selfie massacres’ being uploaded in the first place – not just being taken down after the event.

    Even if this were true – and I do not believe so – there’s SFA the .gov can do to stop it.
    Drugs are illegal and have been for a long time. Yet you can order whatever you want from the Dark Net as if you were shopping at eBay.
    Same with such ‘objectionable’ material. The ChCh shooting video can be found and downloaded easily enough if you are motivated to look. Facebook is not the only platform out there.
    Decentralised market places as well as a couple of social networks (currently still in beta), running on hidden servers over Tor, are the next stage of censorship-resistant internet.
    It follows that you cannot ban ‘unapproved’ thought.
    Instead the governments should be looking at what motivates such as Tarrant to do what he did.
    If you read his manifesto, you may get a glimpse, because even though a lot of it was clearly the work of a raving lunatic, there are aspects which are very valid; just rather un-PC to talk about in public.
    But addressing those is much harder than just increasing the dose of Big Brother and virtue-signalling on Twitter.

  9. Petros

    Jacinta Ardern no doubt is demanding that all videos of ISIS members beheading people are removed from YouTube, yes?

  10. I’ve never seen anyone defend Facebook like Sinc, except for the android that’s Zuckerberg.

  11. Roger

    “Suppose someone invented an instrument, a convenient little talking tube which could be heard over the whole land ― I wonder if the police would not forbid it, fearing that the whole country would become mentally deranged if it were used. ”

    Soren Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

  12. Fred

    I watched it on Live Leak. Pew pew.

  13. I might add that Facebook and their ilk are able to stop such things within minutes when it suits them, but I suspect that it suited them to let this go for as long as possible when it became evident what it was about. This sorry event just aided the Leftist propaganda machine that has no morals, no self-respect, no respect for others.

  14. stackja

    BON – I agree, all USA media, like to give but claim they should not have to take it.

  15. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Something does need to be done to stop these ‘selfie massacres’ being uploaded in the first place – not just being taken down after the event.

    not possible

  16. Speedbox

    bemused
    #2971716, posted on March 27, 2019 at 3:12 pm
    I might add that Facebook and their ilk are able to stop such things within minutes when it suits them….

    Serious question: How? I presume that at any given moment there are hundreds of thousands/millions of new posts added to FB etc. How can they actively monitor (except by having each post manually reviewed before permitting upload)?

  17. Mother Lode

    What hypertrophied egos these people have.

    They will decide what we poor plebians can and cannot see, what is too much for our stunted senses and too heady for our feeble minds, because they are so great and caring.

    There is not a politician in Parliament I would trust to make a value judgement on my behalf, so self-serving, dissembling and morally out of condition.

    And the network CEO? Similar. Happy to deny us agency to protect his laughably inflated salary without having to look for a way to earn it in a changing world.

    In both cases ask yourself what skills they have employed to get to where they are? What are the traits that gets a politician into power and stay there. Not intelligence, not uprightness. No, rat cunning, lying, cheating, and a laser-like focus on their own advantage.

    The CEO? Well, once it would have been how to get as many eyes glued to the TV as possible – an exercise in cynicism that still required an understanding of the appetites of the audience. But now not even that.

    And they would presume to make the decisions for us.

    Appalling people who are so out of touch they don’t even know it.

  18. Behind Enemy Lines

    Hypocrisy and bullshit
    Posted on 2:33 pm, March 27, 2019 by Sinclair Davidson
    Following the terrorist attack in Christchurch last week the Morrison government (and others) is seizing the opportunity to blame social media companies.

    Sinc is right.

    Nevertheless, there are millions of good reasons to crack down on the social media companies: dishonesty with paid ads, censorship of conservative opinion, attempts to swing elections, a long record of lying to representative bodies . . . the list goes on and on.

    So trust this pathetic empty suit Morrison to seize on this bad reason, instead. Weeping and bleating and stamping his tiny little feet.

    I’m looking forward with ever-increasing eagerness to voting against them at the coming election. These sad sacks are unfit to represent Australians, and they’re deliberately getting in the way of better men while they’re at it.

    Entropy
    #2971699, posted on March 27, 2019 at 2:46 pm
    Sure. It is time though, that if it is expected to control content, Facebook was treated like the publisher it is.
    It can’t censor curate content and still avoid the same rules other publishers are forced to comply with.

    Exactly so. I’d rather have openness and free speech on these platforms, but if they’ve decided to be publishers then they need to be held accountable as publishers. So, of the million reasons why social media needs regulations, why are these chumps seizing on this? Certainly couldn’t be strategic thinking.

    bemused
    #2971716, posted on March 27, 2019 at 3:12 pm
    I might add that Facebook and their ilk are able to stop such things within minutes when it suits them, but I suspect that it suited them to let this go for as long as possible when it became evident what it was about.

    They’ve stopped even pretending. Now it’s time for us to stop pretending, too.

  19. Roger

    I watched it on Live Leak.

    You wouldn’t have been able to in NZ, the site was blocked.

    Meanwhile, in breaking news:

    “In an effort to combat rising neo-Nazism, Jacinda Ardern has declared that the name “Adolf Hitler” shall not be uttered on threat of imprisonment while the nation’s largest bookstore chain, Whitcoull’s, has removed “Mein Kampf” from its shelves”.

    Of course, I’m engaging in a reductio ad absurdum. There is no evidence that such censorship does anything other than drive people underground. And how will people be educated about the propensity of human beings for evil if evil acts are banished down the memory hole?

  20. Serious question: How?

    Facebook etc have the ability to search for any keywords within seconds. The moment this attack happened and it was made public, they could have initiated such a search, knowing that someone would be likely to post about it, and stopped the account in no time flat.

  21. I’ve long been of the view that to stop or significantly reduce this sort of crap, from all sides, is to deny the perpetrators the attention that they seek. Publicity is what all terrorists seek, deny them that and they become impotent.

  22. Snoopy

    You wouldn’t have been able to in NZ, the site was blocked.

    Live Leak was blocked by some ISP’s here, including Telstra.

  23. Dr Fred Lenin

    Iam surprised a socialist like the NZ sheila is blocking another socialist , Hitler ,she must adhere to the Stalinist branch of socialism ,they are both fascists and murdering swine , but one was German the other Georgian .

  24. Win

    Facebook has decreed that Avi Yemmini can not show his phone video of the interview withJim Jeffries to show he has been defamed by the selective editing of Jeffries.
    The story on Brietbart.

  25. Roger

    Live Leak was blocked by some ISP’s here, including Telstra.

    There you go.

    I have no interest in watching it, but simply refer to my comment above about banishing these events down the memory hole.

  26. CameronH

    Never let a crisis go by. Use every such event to introduce more restrictive legislation to repress the native population while pandering to and appeasing the most troublesome minority groups. Expects additions to section 18c next to make it fully shariah blasphemy compliant.

  27. teamv

    It should be noted that the police who arrested Brenton Tarrant were not Christchurch Police but out of towners who were in Christchurch and were listening in on the police frequency.

  28. thefrollickingmole

    There is literally no crime in watching someone else comitting one unless you have assisted in the crime itself.

    Everything else is just pretending the censors will limit themselves to what you disapprove of.

    Humpknuckles like the NZ shooter are criminals, not those who have watched their actions.
    ISIS did the world a favor when it started putting its torture porn/propaganda on the web, all the arguments against crushing them were made moot by their own bragging.
    Similar with the NZ chap.

    Without the ISIS footage wed probably have them still in control of a large swathe of territory while Hans Blix wandered around saying things weren’t that bad.

  29. struth

    Can someone tell me why the shooter is regarded as right wing when he stated his closest political affiliation is communist China?

    We now see that it only horrifies our political elite to see Mussies being killed.
    White westerners dying in their thousands, jumping out of the twin towers, heads being chopped off, etc, is fine, even on the television and front page of Newspapers.
    What purely totalitarian hypocritical c..nts.
    They must be fought.

  30. Adelagado

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    #2971720, posted on March 27, 2019 at 3:19 pm

    Something does need to be done to stop these ‘selfie massacres’ being uploaded in the first place – not just being taken down after the event.

    not possible

    I think we should have learned by now that nothing is impossible. Remember ‘you cant stop the boats’, for example. And who would have imagined we could all be our own ‘world wide TV station’ in the first place!

    How about no one being able to upload live video until they’ve proven to be reasonably sane. (I’m sure theres an algorithm for that). Until then all your videos are delayed by, say, 60 mins. Some forums already do something like this. You can’t upload pics until you made a certain number of posts.

    But whatever, I bet the tech heads could work something out if they really wanted to.

  31. Speedbox

    bemused
    #2971731, posted on March 27, 2019 at 3:40 pm

    Ok, sure, but keyword searches are easily defeated. Even on the Cat we all know what words arc up the spaminator and either avoid those particular words or use ‘hybrids’ that mean the same. It takes Sinc’s deliberate intervention to partially or completely delete posts if the spaminator is avoided.

    I’m not defending FB – it just seems to me that this task is a lot easier said than done, particularly if the original source had no prior history of inflammatory postings and is not on some ‘watch list’. Obviously, the multiplier effect means that even a relatively few copies/downloads could be disseminated to hundreds/thousands and then rapidly posted elsewhere on the internet outside of FB’s control in a very short period of time.

    Thus, the only way FB would know would be if someone told them about an offensive post, checked it and initiated a word/phrase/content search and ban, and by that time…..too late. That fellow in NZ was a nobody yet the live stream was downloaded some 200 times during the event and thousands of times afterwards before it was removed/blocked. (interesting that nobody said anything during the live broadcast – not sure what to make of that).

    If Morrison et al are looking for a fast/immediate ban on offensive posts, that seems highly unlikely to be achievable. The internet (and people) will always find a way.

    I wonder whether the real objective is to beat up FB, Twitter etc and the NZ incident is a suitable, if tragic, opportunity that should not be missed.

  32. struth

    Never let a crisis go by

    They are partisan.
    They caused the crisis, and they definitely let a crisis go by if it’s their favoured group of anti western killers doing the murdering.
    They won’t even admit it was them.

    You give the elites that hate us, too much credit.

    Why now, why with this, the very first retaliatory mude of Mussies?

    Why now do their crocodile tears flow?

    Think of what the fuck is actually going on here.
    Time for a bit of very straight forward free speech, that’s for sure.

  33. Tel

    But whatever, I bet the tech heads could work something out if they really wanted to.

    You could have a licensing system … so before you are allowed to buy a computer and put posts on the Internet you must first go through some background checks, prove you are of good character, the police take a look around your house, they interview some family members. You know … use the same system that was already in place to be allowed to buy guns in NZ.

  34. Botswana O'Hooligan

    Ask anyone who has had living experience in Mother Russia or other socialist countries what they think of censorship and see what the answers are. If we are adult enough to read and watch the so called manifesto concerning Christchurch and other offensive stuff put out almost daily then we are adult enough to form our own opinions and politicians of the Morrison mould cannot accept that. Somehow or the other they think that we are but just useful idiots come election time.

  35. Ok, sure, but keyword searches are easily defeated. Even on the Cat we all know what words arc up the spaminator and either avoid those particular words or use ‘hybrids’ that mean the same. It takes Sinc’s deliberate intervention to partially or completely delete posts if the spaminator is avoided.

    A blog like this is nothing compared to Facebook, Google etc. They use sophisticated (though not infallible) algorithms that work automatically to prevent defined content, words and images from being posted. A woman breast feeding and not even showing a nipple would be instantly blocked. Has happened many times apparently.

    A nutcase like the one involved would have ensured that keywords etc were in place to garner maximum attention, he wanted everyone to see what was happening. That Facebook couldn’t identify this is a crock, it would have been well aware right from the get go, even before the news came out, and what pass for humans at Facebook would have been alerted.

    You just have to consider why it was allowed to remain public for so long.

  36. Natural Instinct

    Carriage Service or Publisher?
    Are the people who sell paper and ink liable for what papers print?
    Is the electricity company liable for what goes on website?
    Of course not.

    This is censorship of the web by stealth. Of course the elites will be able to view and read but not lesser mortals.
    Just like all the banning of the mention it will come to nothing

  37. Dr Fred Lenin

    The career politicians have a huge fear of the net since Trump used it to defeat their hilarity ,even though she had 105 per cent of the msm helping her she still lost . After years of whiteanting the msm and corrupting it to their advantage this bloody net comes along and defeats the narxist propaganda machine .
    It must be controlled or people will start thinking for themselves and the aparat is doomed it would never have been allowed in socialist nazi Germany or the socialist fascist union .

  38. Natural Instinct

    Banning mention of suicide

  39. Speedbox

    A blog like this is nothing compared to Facebook, Google etc.

    Thank goodness.

    They use sophisticated (though not infallible) algorithms that work automatically to prevent defined content, words and images from being posted. A woman breast feeding and not even showing a nipple would be instantly blocked.

    Good point. I wonder how they program the algorithm? Percentage of skin shown per screen size plus references (either then or previously) to baby, newborn, birth, motherhood etc. Perhaps the algorithm can ‘recognise’ the shape of a breast and a baby’s head nearby to the breast. Seems implausible but maybe.

    Interesting.

    But how do the Kardashian’s get away with it? I’m told they post semi-nude photos regularly. (rhetorical)

  40. But how do the Kardashian’s get away with it? I’m told they post semi-nude photos regularly. (rhetorical)

    Most of their crap I understand is on Instagram. But then celebrities tend to get away with things that mere mortals can’t.

  41. Squirrel

    The suggestion that if social media companies can target and “personalise” advertising they should also thus be able to automatically block – or at least very quickly detect and delete – bad stuff from the net is more than a little bit optimistic.

    The “personalised” advertising I have seen rarely, if ever, goes beyond simplistic assumptions based on age and gender, so if that’s a clue as to how sophisticated things truly are at present, it would be nonsense to believe that software could quickly and reliably distinguish between a nightmare like Christchurch, and, for instance, a video of a group of friends paintballing.

    If politicians, want, in effect, to close down a major feature of social media, they should be upfront with the public and say so – rather than pretending (as they are so fond of doing) that the public can have its cake and Like it too.

  42. Cynic of Ayr

    I hate Facebook with a passion, and sorry, but I suspect the sanity of any who use it.
    However, this video was “news” was it not? It wasn’t faked. It wasn’t a lie.
    Let’s say a CNN bloke was there on the scene, and followed the perp around, filming over his shoulder. Same video.
    What then?
    The perp making the vid himself was legal, but not legal for Facebook to post it.
    The CCN bloke’s vid was legal, and it would have been legal to post it.
    This is all about Morrison slamming the gate shut, after the horses, cows, goats and even the sloths had bolted.
    “Look at meeee!!! I’m all upset.”
    Sanctimonious prick.
    Every single islamic beheading or toss of a building is available on video, but apparently that’s OK.

  43. cohenite

    This is all about appeasement of islam; broadcasting of islamic atrocities aids and abets islam and is therefore acceptable to our leaders who are in thrall to this vile ideology.

    The Newzealandistan incident however must be quarantined for a number of reasons; firstly because it allegedly shows a non-muslim fighting back and this would give the citizenry ideas (sic); that the shooter is an eco loon with a gamer’s grasp of reality is the second reason because this would interfere with the narrative that white democracy is oppressing the muslim; thirdly the mosques were connected with isis and first reports said muslims at the second mosque had guns and returned fire.

  44. Overburdened

    News.com.au is a sewer of titillating click bait, meaningless celebrity drivel about who’s rooting who, social engineering re anti-bloke/ pro women/ the new Puritanism (flying on the face of the previous two offerings) and intrusive ads.
    It rarely runs news, more commentary as is the current definition of news.

    As mentioned above, no probs with fuckwits chopping off people’s heads and radical propaganda if it’s from the correct team.

    While cleaning out social media, news.com.au needs to be treated the same as fb etc because it functionally tries to compete with chat forums etc.

    As well as getting rid of porn, terrorists, nut cases blogging and live streaming, the web curators also need to piss off funny cat videos, crying snowflakes, inspirational messaging etc.

    Politicians love the web because of the short attention span of the goldfish out there.

    In fact, I would recommend abandoning non-business and non-government IT.

    Not being able to show my ignorance on this site would be a small price to pay.

  45. JC

    Why is Morrison sticking his fat nose into this when the horror occurred in New Zealand? Shut up Morrison and try to focus on winning an election in Australia, you twit.

  46. Brian

    So when are they going to be as equally concerned about the graphic and extremely detailed violence that graces our TVs and movie theatres.
    Quite bizarre that one kind is considered completely unacceptable whereas the other – often more graphic – is considered a perfectly acceptable money making entertainment.
    Personally – I would be more concerned about the movies and TV shows than about letting people realise what is happening in their world. That is called Blood Sport and does desensitise us.
    It is easy to forget the individual as intelligent, morally accountable creatures, and view them as blank slates that any wild philosophy can carve into their image.

  47. Tim Neilson

    As well as getting rid of porn, terrorists, nut cases blogging and live streaming, the web curators also need to piss off funny cat videos, crying snowflakes, inspirational messaging etc.

    Free availability of funny cat videos is the hill all libertarians should be prepared to die on.

  48. rickw

    Now this isn’t a criticism of the NZ police but it took them 36 minutes to respond and apprehend the shooter.

    It’s actually a criticism that should be levelled at ALL Police.

    The Police rail against self defence whilst demonstratably not being an alternative.

    The Police have bullshitted the public into believing that they can stop a crime in progress when the reality is that for 90% of cases they arrive to count the cost and take statements.

    Response time of an armed citizen at the scene is seconds, accuracy of response is far better that Police’s. They have witnessed the situation develop rather than arriving cold and having to make split second decisions about who the offender is.

    The Public and Politicians need to stop listening to Police and start using their commonsense. The capabilities of Police are massively over promoted because it suits the citizen disarmament agenda.

  49. Overburdened

    Resistance is futile.

  50. Radman

    Zero difficulty accessing archival footage of thousands of naked, emaciated holocaust victims being bulldozed into mass graves on YouTube. Selective outrage because this massacre occurred in Christchurch?

  51. If you think Scott Morrison is smart enough and savvy enough to weigh in on this subject off his own back is gullible. Morrison is just a tool who is doing what was “suggested” to him.

    The trend is towards censorship and the control of the populace, a trend which began in Europe. Recall Merkel lips to ear with Zuckerberg?
    There is bugger all we can do about it at mo because the MSM isn’t just complicit, they are actively promoting this sh!t.

    By the way, I found out the other day that I can no longer play poker on PokerStars dot com because wait for it………..our government says I’m not allowed to. The legislation was put in place 3 or 4 years ago.

  52. John Bayley

    You wouldn’t have been able to in NZ, the site was blocked.

    Live Leak was blocked by some ISP’s here, including Telstra.

    Trivially easy to get around; in most cases even without a VPN.
    I’d suggest that even the technically-challenged here would benefit from learning how to do it.
    Because if you don’t, you’ll find that there will be more and more content the .gov.au thinks is not good for you and you’ll have to just bend over and take it.

  53. Overburdened

    John B
    This technical skill has enabled very young children to access porn and torture.
    These kids are way ahead of me.

  54. Tel

    Trivially easy to get around; in most cases even without a VPN.

    Be aware that the reason they make it trivially easy to bypass is because that also makes it very convenient to monitor the people who use those trivial bypass techniques. Just so you know the deal.

  55. Roger

    I have no interest in watching [the shooter’s video], but simply refer to my comment above about banishing these events down the memory hole.

    And another thing – gov’t and corporate censorship of these events creates a vacuum that others will attempt to fill.

    Already an excited fellow in NZ is suggesting that the Christchurch mass murder was a Mossad operation…and he has an audience.

  56. Seco

    It’s infuriating but of absolutely no surprise to anyone on this blog that Australian politicians and media are treating the NZ terrorist attack as if it were done in Bourke Street, Rundle Mall or Martin Place.

    We’ll end up with harsher laws and more freedoms stolen than NZ. Amazing.

  57. Adelagado

    Its not simply a free speech issue. He was committing an illegal act. The live video was an essential part of his massacre kit and ramped up the pleasure he got out of the act. He was turned on by being able to live stream it. (He might not even have done it if he couldn’t have shown it as it happened).

    I couldn’t care less if a guy wants to broadcast himself wanking, or banging his consenting girlfriend. Those actions are not illegal. But killing people is a crime and we shouldn’t be making a spectator sport out of it.

    I doubt anyone here would defend the the live streaming of child sex abuse. Why treat this any differently.

  58. Empire 5:5

    I couldn’t care less if a guy wants to broadcast himself wanking, or banging his consenting girlfriend. Those actions are not illegal. But killing people is a crime and we shouldn’t be making a spectator sport out of it.

    The MSM broadcasts misery and crisis 24/7. Chaos and crime have always been spectator sports.

  59. The BigBlueCat

    Of course it would be just easier for FB, YT, Google and others to stop live feeds altogether … just the same as it would be easy to stop hoons doing burnouts in my neighborhood by having VicRoads r the council close the streets. But is that the only responsible thing that can be done? Or is putting more policemen on the streets (inter webs) the solution? And who polices the police?

  60. Empire 5:5

    And another thing – gov’t and corporate censorship of these events creates a vacuum that others will attempt to fill.

    Already an excited fellow in NZ is suggesting that the Christchurch mass murder was a Mossad operation…and he has an audience.

    There is no vacuum. The state has tightly controlled the narrative from the get go. Like Howard in 96, Adhern has positioned herself as saviour of the nation. I will take your liberty and you will be safe. Like 96, the speculation arises because the evidence doesn’t match the official narrative.

    Anyone who has watched the video and mapped the track/timeline and then compares to MSM reports, is bemused.

    Having evidence publicly available is a direct threat to The News. The Australian govt is colluding with Adhern and the media. They intend to make hay and steal a little liberty from us while the populace is obediently glued to the tragic circus.

  61. Up The Workers!

    The A.L.P.B.C. Parliamentary Broadcasts is the world’s biggest, most expensive “selfie-stick” for obnoxious hypocrite self serving politicians.

    Can we ban the A.L.P.B.C., as it is only encouraging the bastards!

  62. Leo G

    But killing people is a crime and we shouldn’t be making a spectator sport out of it.

    You suggest that the vicarious experience of a criminal act is wrong.
    What about dramatisation of such acts?
    If it is just the broadcast of a real criminal act which must never be allowed to happen, doesn’t that imply that every such act must be anticipated and the broadcast prevented even if the crime can’t be averted?
    Should mass murderers then be influenced to use more ethical methods which don’t facilitate live broadcast (eg suicide vests or hijacked airliners).

  63. Sam

    Opportunists – all news outlets, politicians, car dealers, Think tanks. You are not going to change them.

  64. Roger

    But killing people is a crime and we shouldn’t be making a spectator sport out of it.

    There’s certainly a case for banning the video on account of the families of the victims, but not in regard to killer’s name and manifesto.

  65. Viva

    I’m reminded of an old Star Trek episode in which the crew of the Enterprise land on a planet inhabited by tech savvy Romans who broadcast crucifixions live. I remember watching this in my teens and thinking how horrible and weird was the combo of hi tech sophistication and primitive brutality. Little did I know then.

  66. None

    There are a million reasons why I don’t subscribe to the Australian anymore. This is one of them.

    There are a million reasons why I can’t bring myself to vote Liberal anymore. This is one of them.

    There are many more things I could say about all this. Mother Lode’s comment is one of them.

  67. Empire 5:5

    There’s certainly a case for banning the video on account of the families of the victims, but not in regard to killer’s name and manifesto.

    Yes of course. Just a little censorship – for the families!

  68. When social mores and moral standards disappear, so does civilisation.

    I guess there are many who don’t see that and many who actually want that to happen.

  69. Iampeter

    Conservatives exploiting a crisis to attack private enterprise, like the conventional leftists that they are?

    This is news?

  70. Iva Right

    Easier to blame someone else. That way there is no responsibility or need to do anything meaningful yourself.

  71. Crossie

    Facebook and google are already old technology and behave a small such. Kids know it and are latching onto new and less noticeable ways to communicate such as Snapchat and Instagram. When the powers that be start to police those the kids will move on to something else or even invent it.

    The supposed technonerds at Google who now profess to be triggered by any non-approved speech are not likely to invent anything new, they just play techno nerds on TV. Breakout technologies are likely to come from designers who are locked out of the lucrative jobs.

  72. struth

    Conservatives exploiting a crisis to attack private enterprise, like the conventional leftists that they are?

    This is news?

    Here goes this nut job again, claiming the Liberal party are conservative!

    I’m conservative.
    The government should play no part in the internet whatsoever.
    No one is forced to be on social media.
    These things, any of it, can be worked out by the market.

    Those that espouse something must be done and look to government, are not right wing if they don’t consider other alternatives first.

    A social media mob like facebook are either a service provider or a publisher.
    They have decided to be publishers in their behaviour and must be treated as such.
    Phone companies never banned people using the phone if they didn’t like what was being said.

    By bending to socialism and banning accounts etc, they have fallen to what will eventually destroy them.
    The very side of politics they have chosen to support will now exert so much government control over them as to ruin their product.
    The left destroys all it touches.
    Computer geeks aren’t known for being worldly wise.

  73. Pyrmonter

    @ Tim Neilson

    I care nothing for funny cat videos, but you’ll have my doggo memes and the Thoughts of Dog twitter account OVER MY DEAD BODY

  74. Ellen of Tasmania

    I’m not one for conspiracy theories …

    And just how do you get around ‘conspiracy’ theories – always believe the official narrative? Who would be so gullible? Secret operations and false flags are real. Just working out what is which is the tricky bit.

    ‘Conspiracy’ has just become another shut-up word.

  75. John Bayley

    @Tel 8:42 pm:

    No doubt, but then a number of our ‘excitable’ ISPs decided to block even sites like ZeroHedge, which never hosted the video in the first place. It’s a bit of a stretch, even in our current society, to assume that using alternative DNS resolvers or perhaps an anonymous proxy service to access that site would cause too many problems for the non-technically minded users.
    Those who want to buy drugs or guns online have much better ways open to them to do so.

    @Adelagado 9:21 pm:

    I agree with you, but no matter what you and I may think, it is a fact that you cannot ‘ban’ such content. Even China with its Great Firewall is nowhere near 100% successful with its censorship.

  76. .

    This IS bullshit.

    Facebook live streamed a terrorist act and also is a major web based gateway to crap like ISIS and al Qaida, yet NOTHING ever happens to them.

    Yet, if you repost it, YOU can go to gaol in NZ and in Australia, ISPs act as block wardens.

  77. Clam Chowdah

    I watched it on Live Leak. Pew pew.

    Fuckwit

  78. If there’s one thing that should be banned, either from sale or wearing in public, it’s hoodies. Not everyone that wears a hoodie is a criminal, but every criminal wears a hoodie.

  79. Elderly White Man From Skipton

    Professor: I think you should have a good look at the responses of Google and Facebook to issues of curation that they have experienced. I would observe that FB is inert and Alphabet is exercised by these concerns. I would add that I have sold my FB stock. I may soon unload the Google exposure.
    I’d suggest that your analysis might be flawed.

  80. rickw

    69 minutes?

    No one in the Australian Government takes less than 69 minutes to have a dump and make a coffee.

    Stop whining you irrelevant imbecile.

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