Open Forum: March 30, 2019

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  1. Sinclair Davidson

    Are you awake, Sinc?

    Aren’t I supposed to be asking that?

  2. Elle

    I’m not pissed. Just happy.
    My heels have been kicked off.
    I’m ready to do a little dance.

  3. .

    give or confer, or promise or offer to give or confer, any property or benefit of any kind to that other person or to a third person.

  4. .

    What on earth is going on with this spaminator?

    Inquirin’ minds wanna know.

  5. Elle

    Aren’t I supposed to be asking that?

    Indeed you are.

  6. Armadillo

    I dont know that its illegal since even a pen or fridge magnet with a calender would cost more and is pretty common fare.

    Barnaby sends me a fridge magnet and a pen every year, plus a newsletter every month (paid for by the taxpayer).

    That’s why I question Dots link.

    Australian Conservatives can’t give a voter a glass of cold water on the way to the polling booth?

  7. Nelson Kidd-Players

    I give up… 🙁

  8. Sinclair Davidson

    What on earth is going on with this spaminator?

    It took a disliking to you but that seems to be over.

  9. Stimpson J. Cat

    Aren’t I supposed to be asking that?

    Indeed you are.

    Get a room.
    😁

  10. RobK

    Dot,
    Thanks for the link but:

     (3)  This section does not apply in relation to a declaration of public policy or a promise of public action.

    First reading almost looked as if you couldnt do anything to influence the voter, in which case even a door knock would be outlawed

  11. Elle

    More than just the few of you Elle. I think I am over my earlier bold spill now. At least they don’t leak all over the rest of the page like they used to at Bolta’s & Blair’s.

    I’m lil confused. I haven’t scrolled back, Nelson. Please explain.

  12. MatrixTransform

    .
    #2975032, posted on March 30, 2019 at 11:28 pm

    noice work

  13. RobK

    I was talking about door knock not booth attendance.

  14. mizaris

    If any interested WA Cats are willing to distribute Australian Conservatives flyers in their local area they should contact me as I’m the OIC of flyer distribution leading up to the election.

    My hand is up – I’ve emailed you Peter.

  15. Armadillo

    give or confer, or promise or offer to give or confer, any property or benefit of any kind to that other person or to a third person.

    Dot, now you are being ridiculous. The clause clearly relates to bribery, not to handing a person a glass of water. This is getting weird.

  16. Elle

    Time for a night cap.
    Join me.

  17. Sinclair Davidson

    I’ve had several night caps.

  18. Nelson Kidd-Players

    I did a good, old-fashioned bold spill back up the previous page, where I forgot to close off with the tag. Fortunately the template here resets with each new post, whereas, particularly on Bolta’s site, the formatting would stick in all the following posts, especially with the moderation gateway giving plenty of time for posts to be added before the problem was evident. You’d her half a page of bold, or perhaps italics.

  19. Confused Old Misfit

    Time for a night cap.

    What a splendid idea!

  20. RobK

    #2975032, posted on March 30, 2019 at 11:28 pm

    noice work

    Yes, a good response Dot.

  21. Armadillo

    My hand is up – I’ve emailed you Peter.

    Water/Coffee bearer confirmed.

  22. .

    Define bribery.

    …and no, I’m not being a dick, the section clearly says

    give or confer, or promise or offer to give or confer, any property or benefit of any kind to that other person or to a third person

    I would not give the major parties any chance to ratfuck you.

    They put Pauline Hanson in GAOL and she literally did not do anything wrong.

  23. Elle

    A vodka and soda, with fresh lime.

  24. Sinclair Davidson

    A vodka and soda, with fresh lime.

    By pure coincidence – I’ve been having vodka, soda and Rose’s lime cordial.

  25. Bruce in WA

    Forty years ago. A lady I loved desperately, who never knew and never felt that way towards me.

    This still brings back those years of quiet desperation and sadness.

  26. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I know where the Scotch is hidden – do any other male Cats remember the days of ladies in “hot pants” black stockings and thigh high suede boots. The Memsahib assures me that her “hot pants” were as short as anyone’s…

  27. RobK

    Dot,
    The deal/incentive is for reading the flyer, not for their vote.
    That said, I’m happy to stay out of the marketing.

  28. Bruce in WA

    If any interested WA Cats are willing to distribute Australian Conservatives flyers in their local area they should contact me as I’m the OIC of flyer distribution leading up to the election.

    Sadlt in just a few days I will be gone for almost two months … a month and a half anyway

  29. Armadillo

    any property or benefit of any kind

    A “How to Vote” card is property. So is Barnaby’s Calander, fridge magnet and pen.

    Dot, the link you point to clearly relates to “bribary” in the sense of serious criminal misconduct. Handing someone a glass of water whilst walking into a polling booth being defined as “bribary” is ludicrous.

  30. Elle

    By pure coincidence – I’ve been having vodka, soda and Rose’s lime cordial.

    Gives you a nice warm-glow, doesn’t it.
    Not to be confused with the warm-glow giving that is an economic theory describing the emotional reward of giving to others.

  31. Armadillo

    What about putting up “Election Signs” and paying a fee to the property owner?

  32. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Curse you, Bruce in WA, for playing Bob Seger, late at night, on the Cat…

  33. RobK

    I think it could be bribery if there was an expectation that the gesture was in exchange for a vote, not in exchange for looking at a flyer’s content or policy declaration as in 3 above. But I’m no lawyer.

  34. Armadillo

    Big Clive should be prosecuted for putting billboards up. He’s paid someone for it.

    give or confer, or promise or offer to give or confer, any property or benefit of any kind to that other person or to a third person

  35. Sinclair Davidson

    I am never confused.

  36. Armadillo

    Advertising is now bribary. Got it.

    The entire marketing industry should be behind bars.

  37. Armadillo

    I am never confused.

    You should read the Cat more often. It’s a real eye opener.

  38. Elle

    How many night caps can one have? Never too many?

  39. Bruce in WA

    Curse you, Bruce in WA, for playing Bob Seger, late at night, on the Cat…

    Sorry, mate.

  40. Sinclair Davidson

    How many night caps can one have?

    To ask is to answer.

  41. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Sorry, mate.

    I was joking..

  42. Bruce in WA

    You want late at night?

    How about this, when you know you’ve been an arsehole to the one who loves you …

  43. Bruce in WA

    I was joking..

    Yeah, I knew that … 😀

  44. Steve trickler

    It would be nice to see the females singing those vocals. Maybe next time.



  45. Fat Tony

    Hi Sinc – thanks for the blog 🙂

  46. Bruce in WA

    I’ll be away for Anzac Day, so I thought I should post this now.

    Having just been down to Albany to see the Field of Light on Mount Clarence, I find this particularly appropriate:

  47. Armadillo

    Hi Sinc – thanks for the blog 🙂

    Crawler.

  48. Bruce in WA

    Friend of my younger daughter is getting married.

    She told her father he was NOT walking down the aisle with her because she “needed NO man” to “give her away”.

    Inestimably sad for her father. It would cripple me. I want to play this at my daughter’s wedding.

  49. Bruce in WA

    Think I need a drink. Goodnight all.

  50. RobK

    How many night caps can one have?

    To ask is to answer.

    Never confused?

  51. Armadillo

    I want to play this at my daughter’s wedding.

    Why? It’s her wedding. And her husbands.

    You have done your job. Stay the hell out of it. Weddings are Sheliah thing. Getting involved in that shit is like walking into a Lions Den.

    Don’t do it mate. Just sit back and relax, and pay the bar bill.

  52. Bruce in WA

    You have done your job. Stay the hell out of it. Weddings are Sheliah thing. Getting involved in that shit is like walking into a Lions Den.

    Don’t do it mate. Just sit back and relax, and pay the bar bill.

    No.

  53. Armadillo

    Nod when they nod. Smile when they smile. Agree with everything.

    Do you like this Dad? Give a blank look, pretend you didn’t hear, or leave the room pronto.

    It’s probably a trap of some sort.

  54. Armadillo

    No.

    Are you picking the colour of the bridesmaids dresses?

  55. Bruce in WA

    I’m the one who walked her up and down the house when she had belly-ache at night.

    I’m the one who held her until she knew I would kill any monsters under her bed.

    I’m the one who bought her her first pair of “grown up” riding boots that she never wanted to take off.

    I’m the one who held her when her “boyfriend” turned out to be a druggie arsehat.

    Give it up? No way.

  56. Armadillo

    Floral arrangements?

  57. Elle

    First heard this song on Tim Blair’s blog.
    Sugar.

  58. Bruce in WA

    Are you picking the colour of the bridesmaids dresses?

    Do I need to?

    Did you?

  59. Bruce in WA

    Floral arrangements?

    I’m sure there will be some.

  60. Armadillo

    That was your job to do all those things, Bruce.

    You chose to bring her into this world. She had no choice in it.

  61. Armadillo

    Do I need to? Did you?

    Miss A isn’t yet 21. She’s at University getting a degree. When the time comes, I’ll hand her over to whomever she loves.

    I certainly won’t be handling the flower arrangements, bridesmaids dresses or choice of wedding song.

    Not my problem.

  62. Armadillo

    I’ll pay the bar bill.

  63. Bruce in WA

    I certainly won’t be handling the flower arrangements, bridesmaids dresses or choice of wedding song.

    Nor me; but I WILL choose the song for my final dance with my daughter.

    As for the bar bill … my wife and I will pay that together.

    We also paid for her to do her twin degrees … and honours.

    Her choice … our pride.

  64. Armadillo

    Brides family traditionally pays for the tucker. Picking up the bar tab for the son-in-laws family is merely a gift of gratitude.

    I’ve never heard of a final dance with the father. It’s usually ” Auld Lang Syne”.

    Are you Amish?

  65. Tzak

    Love your work Simpson. Unfortunately the duffas on this website don’t understand how you are trying to smash their Overton window! Keep on going!

  66. Same as before

    Oh. Crap, I am done by the moderators. I complimented Stimson and mentioned the Overton windo!

  67. Armadillo

    This is hilarious.

    Just wait until Cortez talks about the “cow grain” stuff they put in the troughs and stuff. Or whatever it is.

    This woman definately needs to be the Democrat candidate for 2020.

    https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019/03/29/ocasio-cortez-i-did-not-expect-gop-to-make-total-fools-of-themselves-with-green-new-deal-attacks/

  68. Henry2

    A bloody shark would be proud of those teeth. I thought the eyes were sposed to be the weird part.

  69. bespoke

    dover_beach
    #2974914, posted on March 30, 2019 at 8:55 pm
    Because I haven’t come across anything that say’s sibling surrogacy is medically detrimental, dover. On a personal philosophical ground it do’s have some red flags for me.

    So getting a blowjob from a sibling or parent is fine? Intercourse, too, if a condom is used? This must follow if the only objection is ‘medical detriment’. Don’t you realise how absurd your purported objection sounds? BTW, a mother is not a sibling.

    IVF is’t a sexual act so your comparison not valid and I guess the same philosophical objections would apply to all relatives being surrogates.

  70. John Constantine

    Legislation proposed for Australian parliament to jail social media figures responsible for broadcasting terrorism.

    However it is worded now, this opens the door for their shortreich to purge all dissenters that disrespect the agenda of our godless commo corruptocracy.

    When does dissent become far right extremism?.

    Let’s ask the chicom secret police dissent discovery social ranking robot software, the stuff we will be offered by the Tyrant to enable shorten to completely overthrow his enemies and comply with belt and road group think.

    Comrades.

  71. rickw

    Legislation proposed for Australian parliament to jail social media figures responsible for broadcasting terrorism.

    Does terrorism even happen if it’s not broadcast?

    Could have been a tragic car accident on Bourke St otherwise…

  72. Miss A isn’t yet 21.

    Somewhere, someplace a peacefully sleeping male, is yet to meet Miss R.
    May God be with him.

  73. Leigh Lowe

    I’ve never heard of a final dance with the father. It’s usually ” Auld Lang Syne”.

    Are you Amish?

    Tasmanian
    And I think it is called the Horizontal Folk Dance.

  74. bespoke

    Bruce in WA
    #2975128, posted on March 31, 2019 at 1:14 am
    Friend of my younger daughter is getting married.

    She told her father he was NOT walking down the aisle with her because she “needed NO man” to “give her away”.

    Inestimably sad for her father.

    Well my girl why get married and don’t send me the bill, ill be happy to sit in the back if that’s OK. If not Ill be on a trip around the world and out of contact.

  75. Oh dear god this is smug, condescending and hypocritical.
    You barge in talking about outliers, but refuse to discuss demographics, intervention analysis, correlation, causation, counterfactuals or to examine any profile of the data or sub samples by category.
    50% of homicides in the US occur in 2% of the counties (so 62 from 3214 county level jurisdictions have half of the murders); then you refuse to discuss black on black violence, terrorists, the mentally ill and the negative correlation between guns and crime generally and in most states and counties, specifically against the murder rate.

    I’m quite happy to discuss all these issues, which are contributing factors to the weapon homicide rate, but the single most significant variable is the prevalence of weapons in the community. This is where the comparison with Australia is significant. We have our own pockets of urban decay where crime is on the march, but the US continues to have a gun death rate eleven times hours when the two communities are compared as a whole. In any case, what is your solution? The USA is a nation of states with open borders. Are you going to fence off the offending counties so that guns can’t be introduced into high crime communities, or demand that African Americans are treated differently than other Americans when it comes to weapon possession ?

    You refuse to acknowledge you are advocating for something that already exists, that the law was already broken when Bryant came into possession of firearms and a total lack of any evidence that most murders are not even committed with a “military style assault rifle” which you have a paranoid fear of – let alone that a “military style assault rifle” would not have been needed to commit nearly all if not all of Bryant’s murders, arson, carjacking and hostage taking.

    .Bryant bought his weapons legally.
    There was no prohibition on the possession of semi-autos when he used them to slaughter people enjoying a day in the sun.
    I would treat the regulation of any semi-auto the same, whether pistol or long arm. This includes firearms like the Browning nine millimetre pistol
    I have no fear of military style weapons. In July last year as an Australian tourist on a nostalgia trip, I fired off over five hundred rounds through an AR-15, an AK47, and an M4 at the NRA range at its headquarters at 11250 Waples Mill Rd, Fairfax.

    You ignore massacres of all kinds before and after Port Arthur and conflate suicide with murder of all kinds and accidental deaths and call these a “public health issue”. You are arguing against suicide “caused by guns” yet have no moral objection to euthanasia.

    There have been no massacres resembling Port Arthur (or Christchurch for that matter) in this country since the NFA. Something like these tragedies is always possible, but it is a lot less likely here, and the rate of the recurrence of these events in the USA is incredible. The NFA is the most influencing factor in this state of affairs.

    I have never posted about euthanasia nor have I “argued against suicide”. I have posted the relevant statistics.

    Furthermore, you made a rather pathetic “fact check” of instances in recent years where massacres have been prevented or stopped by civilians or off duty LEOs.

    That fact check showed two things. One is that reports of ggwag saving lives are pounced upon by the gun lobby, and manipulated to their ends. The second result is that most shooters have already done the damage before the ggwag gets involved.

    You seem to think that “Rooftop Koreans” ought to have just caved into mob violence instead of….waiting for the police to come…like complete and utter dead and gullible idiots.
    No one will ever invade America, it is impossible. The left mock the idea of preventing tyranny with firearms but in 2012 we saw confiscation of arms Venezuela and in 2018 we saw death squads. You now have a lot of dead Venezuelans who weren’t commies and they weren’t “gun wankers”.

    None of this has anything to do with the preservation of Australian gun regulation, which is what I’m discussing

    .
    They’re dead now. Not your problem, you say?

    This was a reference to the fact that gun violence is an American problem.

    An interesting case of armed civilians (who were mostly ex WWII GIs taking back their city from corrupt and violent shitheads):
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1946)
    They restored the rule of law.

    I have read about this incident.

    I doubt there would be a similar outcome today. A more likely result would be what happened at WACO. The fantasy that an armed citizenry would prevail over modrn military force is pure gun wankery. Ask the holdouts at Baghouz.

    They were all armed.

  76. Snoopy

    Like. This. Never. Happened. Before. Ever.

    Note that the author of this hysterical (in the clinical sense) crud is from ABC Rural. You know, the good ABC. The ABC that deserves to stay.

  77. Snoopy

    Like. This. Never. Happened. Before. Ever.

    Note that the author of this hysterical (in the clinical sense) crap is from ABC Rural. You know, the good ABC. The ABC that deserves to stay.

  78. Snoopy

    Like. This. Never. Happened. Before. Ever.

    Note that the author of this hysterical (in the clinical sense) crap is from ABC Rural. You know, the good ABC. The ABC that deserves to stay.

  79. bespoke

    Morning, Leigh, Snoopy. The analog NPC booted up early I see.

  80. Snoopy

    That’s not directed at you bespoke. I’m attempting to find the naughty word that’s sending a post into moderation.

  81. Tintarella di Luna

    .

    #2975050, posted on March 30, 2019 at 11:55 pm
    FRIENDLY ADVICE, FREELY GIVEN WITH THE OVERRIDING MESSAGE TO SEEK QUALIFIED LEGAL ADVICE

    ____________________________________________________________________

    Yeah I wouldn’t even give the electors a flaming turd in a brown paper bag. Probably subsection 2.

    But can you give out information at a Railway station with a pencil embossed with the name of the party and ask the person to use it to Vote for the party on election day?

  82. Snoopy

    Like. This. Never. Happened. Before. Ever.

    Note that the author of this hysterical (in the clinical sense) crap is from ABC Rural. You know, the good ABC. The ABC that deserves to stay.

  83. Snoopy

    That’s strange. It was the ABC Online URL that offended the spaminator.

  84. bespoke

    That’s not directed at you bespoke.

    I no.

  85. Tintarella di Luna

    bespoke
    #2975176, posted on March 31, 2019 at 7:50 am

    Good Lord who would be a bloke these days? – When is it going to be suggested that we need to have separate universities for men and women – to protect the women of course.

  86. bespoke

    Tinta
    separate universities for men and women

    Only for women other wise it’ll be discrimination in the regressive world.

  87. Charhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U9CcaXiPwUter into Cunnamulla.
    See if you can ID the aircraft type.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U9CcaXiPwU

  88. calli

    Hang on. If we’re meant to “believe the victim”, why isn’t a particular victim from an alleged historical sex crime being believed?

    Or is it only some victims? It’s so confusing.

  89. calli

    Thank you for that introduction, LL. 🤣

  90. calli

    And to continue the evening’s mild and pleasant flirtation, I too had a vodka soda with a twist.

    Coloquially known as a Skinny B*tch.

  91. More gibberish.

    Serves me right for following advice posted on Catallaxy.
    Like most else posted here, it’s wrong.

  92. Snoopy

    Who supplied the weapons at the NRA range, Numbers?

  93. OldOzzie

    Thanks Tom

    Tom
    #2975154, posted on March 31, 2019 at 4:14 am

    Chicks explained.

    I always go with Page 15: “You’re Beautiful the way you are”

  94. bespoke

    The analog NPC is failing badly time to euthanize it.

  95. Tel

    She told her father he was NOT walking down the aisle with her because she “needed NO man” to “give her away”.

    Inestimably sad for her father.

    In the long run I’m guessing the father might end up better off than the husband.

  96. calli

    The “Christian” abortionist

    How God may judge me is in the back of my mind.

    So not a Christian, then. Otherwise “thou shall do no murder” would be in the front and centre of your mind. And yes, it is murder. If Jesus can say that anger leads to judgement (Matthew 5), then killing the unborn will lead you there just as well.

  97. duncanm

    Coldest Sydney March morning for 14 years.

  98. calli

    Last Sunday I was on the beach in a t-shirt. Today it’s the thermals. Hello Autumn!

  99. Tom

    Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez’s lack of self-awareness is approaching Numbers level. She is so dumb she is giving brunettes a bad name:

    After playing several video clips of Republicans linking her proposal to socialism and criticizing the cost, host Chris Hayes asked if she expected the “24-hour AOC and GND” obsession on conservative media.

    Ocasio-Cortez said, “Well, I mean, it is next level. I didn’t expect them to make total fools of themselves.

    The leftard media has bubble-wrapped her so tight she can’t hear people laughing at her.

    (H/T Armadillo).

  100. bespoke

    calli
    #2975205, posted on March 31, 2019 at 8:30 am

    How’s that square up with self defense and capital punishment?

  101. duncanm

    Can’t help looking at all that water heading for the interior.

    Qld sat pic

  102. bespoke

    OMG! egg_ you fell for it.

  103. Leigh Lowe

    egg_

    #2975204, posted on March 31, 2019 at 8:30 am

    Beech B200 King Air?

    Not a B52?
    Or even a B55?

  104. egg_

    Someone has to mind poor ol’ Numbers – be charitable, it is Sunday, after all.

  105. Rafiki redux

    Around the midnight hour there was speculation as to whether an offer if a glass of water would amount to an element of a bribery offence. In all such kind of analyses, the maxim ‘de minimus non curat lex’ might apply. That is, ‘the law takes no account if trifles’. In a case a couple of years ago, the Federal Court reminded the AAT that this was an maxim was alive. A useful way recall it to mind is this verse.

    There was a young man called Rex
    Who had diminutive organs of sex
    On charge of exposure
    He said with composure
    De mimimus non curat lex

  106. bespoke

    Putting a space before a word and a URL is so elementary it would insulting to most but for a busted analog NPC you have to make exceptions.

  107. duncanm

    TheirABC has no mirrors…

    Welcome to North Korea’s political shame circles, where self-criticism is taken to a whole new level

    Shame moves people to do things in a number of different ways, and for those in power seeking to influence behaviour on a mass scale, shame is an effective tool to weaponise.
    ..
    shame is dished out in a practice known as ‘saenghwal chonghwa’.
    ..
    the practice actually hinders citizens from speaking up in general to avoid being shamed during a session.

  108. Stimpson J. Cat

    She told her father he was NOT walking down the aisle with her because she “needed NO man” to “give her away”.

    They will rebuild their relationship when she becomes a single mother and divorced and needs someone to babysit.
    He’ll be needed then.
    It will all be fine.

  109. Nice vid.
    Worst part of chartering out west was getting into the plane for the flight back after it had sat in forty degree heat all day.

    I travelled with a flying surgeon, and we’d always collect a slab at the pub on the way out to the strip. One Friday, we did this, and everyone except the pilot cracked a stubby as we prepared to take off.

    The surgeon’s mobile rang. His end of the conversation went like this.
    “Bugger, when?
    How many fingers?
    I’ll be there in an hour and a half.
    Prep him”.

    He then handed his newly cracked stubby to me, and said “you’ll have to drink this”.
    I skolled the surgeon’s beer for him and the bloke who had caught his hand in some farm machinery at Roma made a full recovery, and retained most of the use of his hand.
    I’m obliging like that.

  110. Antipostmodernism

    The following comment on The Eddie McGuire gaffe was too deplorable to be published in the Australian. My appeal was also unsuccessful.

    “According to the Swans, Eddie’s comments show not only a lack of empathy but also ignorance.
    Note the accusatory tone when common sense and real tolerance and compassion would suggest that Eddie was just being a normal bumbling human being. This is where we are in 2019 – every word that we speak publically is at risk of being analysed for fault by mean spirited moral police according to alleged hierarchies of victimhood without context or mercy. GOTCHA! Nothing has been furthered by this. Rather we recoil a bit more in fear of our own incompetencies being potentially exposed by the Left hate mob and stop expressing ourselves which is our prime human right. The Left hate humanity.”

    It is astonishing that an OZ editor has supposedly looked at this and concurs that it is not fit to be published. I am literally clueless to my sins. I have a told the OZ moderators that I will publish their howlers elsewhere to highlight how far the paper of free speech has fallen. The person responsible for the Leftist moderation regime is Digital Editor Daniel Sankey. The toad has ignored my complaints.

  111. calli

    bespoke
    #2975213, posted on March 31, 2019 at 8:40 am
    calli
    #2975205, posted on March 31, 2019 at 8:30 am

    How’s that square up with self defense and capital punishment?

    Counter-cultural innit?

    I have no real, philosophical answer to either of those. If I was to defend myself or my family and killed someone, I would immediately ask for forgiveness for taking a life, not strut my stuff. Capital punishment? Cats have discussed this before and I’m against giving the state the power to kill in retribution and on my behalf.

    All I know is that I must be obedient. Others can do as they please of course.

  112. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    LOL.

    Tom on a tour through a Women’s Magazine, and Calli on the Five Stages of Grief.
    Gems like this explain why the Cat has a big audience of visiting lurkers. It’s the lulz.

  113. bespoke

    Cheers calli same hear.

  114. Tintarella di Luna

    bespoke
    #2975213, posted on March 31, 2019 at 8:40 am

    calli
    #2975205, posted on March 31, 2019 at 8:30 am

    How’s that square up with self defense and capital punishment?

    Counter-cultural innit?

    I looked this up just the other day because in our catechism the fifth commandment was Thou Shalt No Kill when I looked up Catholic 10 Commandments for Dummies – I found this reasoning: “Thou shalt not kill.”

    The better translation from the Hebrew would be “Thou shalt not murder” — a subtle distinction but an important one to the Church. Killing an innocent person is considered murder. Killing an unjust aggressor to preserve your own life is still killing, but it isn’t considered murder or immoral.

  115. Tintarella di Luna

    Catallaxy Gentlemen –
    I give you the perfect gift for the special Woman in your life.

    Looks like they’re trailling them on albino Biafran women.

  116. Stimpson J. Cat

    All I know is that I must be obedient.

    If only more Women were obedient to the teachings of an intelligent and enlightened Man.
    Bravo.
    😁

  117. Tintarella di Luna

    I mean trialling them – vowel confusion so early.

  118. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Brrrrrr. It’s frrrrrrig’n frrrrrrreeez’n up here on high copping a cold gust along the harbour.
    More like winter than autumn. Global Colding strikes again.
    Right after Earth Hour last night in the dark.

    I should have turned the heating on as well as all the lights. lol.

  119. Tintarella di Luna

    Catallaxy Gentlemen –
    I give you the perfect gift for the special Woman in your life.

    Mmmmmmmmm racy, nice fetlocks

  120. Elle

    I blame a certain person for my hangover. I was fine until I got home and visited the Cat just before midnight.

    Can I just disclose that watching Insiders is not the cure for a hangover.

    I’ve been advised that hair of the Cat and bacon is the puurfect cure.

  121. stackja

    Snoopy
    #2975183, posted on March 31, 2019 at 7:57 am
    That’s strange. It was the ABC Online URL that offended the spaminator.

    URL too long?
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-31/researchers-map-cyclone-trevors-impact-on-cape-york-rainforest/10956276?pfmredir=sm

  122. Baldrick

    Please consider the environment before responding to the Numerical NPC Troll.

    Catallaxy is aiming for a pixel neutral response target to Communists.

  123. bespoke

    Wow it only took the analog NPC seven min to pass judgment on a 27 min video. The less charitable would it didn’t watch it at all.

  124. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Read Numbers not realizing it was him; different style.
    He’s OK when he’s just being a normal guy and not a communist.

  125. Stimpson J. Cat

    I’ve been advised that hair of the Cat

    I can’t help you there Elle.
    The best cure for a hangover is a big burger and a Gatorade BEFORE bed.

  126. Tintarella di Luna

    The Australian is re-publishing a Times story – like this is supposed to garner sympathy? Really? How about telling us what life is like for the sex slave women and girls captured by ISIS? Or will a hastag suffice?:

    Husband of ISIS bride Shamima Begum tells of her heartbreak
    by THE TIMES

    Dressed in black and smoking nervously, the prisoner’s tale is one of unremitting horror and disillusionment; torture and incarceration; fear, loss and grief.

    If the detailed account provided by Shamima Begum’s Dutch husband is to be believed, then the couple were more the naive victims of their deluded errors than willing Islamic State devotees deserving of banishment and exile.

    Yet as the 27-year-old welder from Arnhem, alias “Abu Sarayah”, repeatedly stirs his glass of tea, pausing at length before answering each question, how much of what Yago Riedijk says is fact and how much is fiction?

    As he sits in a chair in a detention centre in northern Syria there is certainly no doubting Riedijk’s concern for his wife, nor his grief over the recent loss of the couple’s son, Jarrah, who died on March 8 in a Syrian refugee camp from a respiratory infection.

    Jarrah was their third child, and the third to die. Days earlier, Sajid Javid, the home secretary, had revoked Ms Begum’s British citizenship, closing the door on the London girl’s wish for repatriation.

    “If we had only had that one child Shamima would be able to hold him and just cling on to that,” Riedijk tells me during an hour-long interview. “But now she’s just alone, heartbroken, having lost three children.”

    News of the child’s death was broken to Riedijk during an interview with a Dutch journalist days after it happened. “He asked me, ‘How do you feel over the loss of your son?’ That was when I got the news. I broke down in the middle of the interview,” he says.

    The couple’s first two children, a girl and boy, died of malnutrition as infants during the concluding stages of the battle against ISIS along the Euphrates Valley: losses that he describes as having a cataclysmic impact on Ms Begum, now 19. “She was devastated,” he says, putting his head in his hands. “Me and her, we loved them so much it’s a nightmare. It’s the worst thing that could ever happen.”

    Nearly two months have passed since the couple surrendered to western-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) troops outside Baghuz. Riedijk — aware of the furore around their case after the discovery of Ms Begum in al-Hawl camp in February, and keeping abreast of events by watching the TV set in the cell he shares with 20 ISIS prisoners — has had plenty of time to massage his version of events.

    Some subjects, such as the seven months he claims to have spent in an ISIS prison in Raqqa in 2015 where he was tortured after being accused of working for Dutch intelligence, elicit an emotional and detailed response from the Dutchman, suggesting that he is telling the truth. (Ms Begum’s own account to The Times in mid-February, when she was interviewed without any previous contact with the outside world, largely dovetails with Riedijk’s own description of his time in jail.)

    Yet at other times during the interview he is evasive and vague.

    Riedijk went to Syria in October 2014, having converted to Islam in the Netherlands after falling in love with a Muslim girl at his school while a teenager. He says that his first doubts over the true nature of the caliphate occurred almost immediately, when he offered ISIS his welding services but was instead given the choices of becoming a suicide bomber or a fighter.

    Wounded by a coalition air strike in Kobani, the Dutchman was introduced to a 15-year-old Shamima Begum by a mutual friend in the spring of 2015 while recuperating from his injuries. She had recently arrived in Raqqa after running away from home in Bethnal Green with two friends.

    “We got very close very quickly,” he recalls of his schoolgirl bride. She was “the perfect wife. She was so young and innocent. It was very easy for me to love her.” Yet just ten days after their marriage, Riedijk was arrested by ISIS and jailed for seven months in Raqqa stadium on espionage charges, apparently accused by a fellow Dutch fighter of spying for western security services.

    Riedijk says that he was repeatedly tortured and sentenced to death by an ISIS judge. However, he was eventually released in one of the jihadists’ periodic amnesties and walked out of prison with “a load of other muhajireen [foreign fighters]” who had also been freed.

    “When I came out I signed a contract. I could not have a phone or any contact with the outside world in any form,” he says. By way of explaining his subsequent inability to escape the caliphate, he says: “I knew that if I started asking questions about leaving there was a big chance I’d get in trouble.”

    Ms Begum, who had been staying with the family of an Egyptian ISIS member while her husband was in jail, had earlier told me that her husband’s captivity was the start of her own loss of belief in the caliphate’s enterprise, despite other remarks she made suggesting that she did not regret going to Syria. “When I came and I saw that there was underground oppression, and all this was happening it came as a shock to me,” she told me in February. “The only reason I know about it is because my husband was in prison.”

    Though Riedijk claims that his time in jail made him “hate” Islamic State, his prison experience in itself would not necessarily have meant that he ceased being a devotee. In the paranoid world of the caliphate, it was not uncommon for fighters to be jailed, tortured, then released to serve ISIS again.

    Indeed, although Riedijk required months of convalescence to recover from torture, he ended up back in the ranks of an Arab ISIS unit, serving for a time in Hama. He claims his fighting days were over, and that instead he was assigned guard duties and occasionally acted as a medic, but there are notable gaps in this stage of his testimony.

    He chooses not to give the full name of his Egyptian friend, for example, with whom he and his wife had stayed before finding their own accommodation. Nor does he name the unit in which he served. His body language when describing this interim stage of life in the caliphate changes too. He pauses frequently before answering, becomes vague over dates and constantly stirs his glass of tea in deflection.

    He denies reports in the Dutch media that he may have had a connection with a failed ISIS plot to target an Arnhem stadium. He bursts out laughing at claims his wife could have had a deeper role within ISIS beyond being a housewife. “It’s ridiculous,” he says. “The only thing she did in the time she was there was just stay at home basically, being a housewife. Sometimes I would take her to the market, sometimes to the park, but other than that she never went out.”

    As the noose of the SDF tightened around Raqqa in 2017, the couple joined thousands of other ISIS families on the move, first to Mayadin, then to Deir Ezzor governorate, where they lived in a series of houses on the banks of the Euphrates as the caliphate shrank. Riedijk insists that he had gone AWOL from ISIS at this stage, and eked out an existence as a mechanic, odd job man and baker, dodging jihadist patrols.

    “There were hundreds and hundreds of other muhajireen in a similar position,” he says, describing the last months of downfall as a stage in which gun battles between rival ISIS units competing for power were common. The absence from the battlefield of the caliphate’s leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, further antagonised the schisms.

    “It was one of the things that made them doubt in the whole system,” Riedijk says. “We know from Islam that the prophet used to go through the hardship just like the companions would but in Islamic State’s case it was not like that. The elite were good off but on the lower levels you just have to figure out for yourself how to survive.”

    Ms Begum’s recall was different. She remarked that even as the caliphate was facing certain defeat in Baghuz, her husband had told her to remain optimistic for “victory”. She had told me: “He said, ‘No, we’re still going to have victory’ … my husband had hope.”

    Then late last year the couple’s second child, their eight-month-old son Jerah, died of malnutrition as the battle intensified. In January their firstborn daughter Sarayah died too, aged one year and nine months.

    At the end of that month Ms Begum — desperate to save the life of her unborn baby and by that time nearly eight months pregnant — together with Riedijk and a group of about 60 others, escaped across no man’s land towards the SDF lines to surrender.

    They spent their last night (Friday) together in the open desert as prisoners before being separated at dawn: one destined for prison, the other to an overcrowded refugee camp where within six weeks she would give birth, lose her citizenship, then her baby — her third child to die in the period of just five months.

    “I love you,” he told her as they parted. “They were taking me away when I said it so I didn’t hear what she replied.”

  127. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    ooops. Sorry Baldrick, but that didn’t seem like the usual Numbers. ‘Twas only meant as a friendly wave goodbye to him, with advice for his future social relationships. Maybe I need to read more upthread.

  128. He’s OK when he’s just being a normal guy and not a communist.

    Lizzie, I’m not, and never have been a Communist.
    That’s a form of abuse used by people who post here when I challenge their calcified views.
    Rather than enter into discussion, they label and abuse.
    It bothers me not at all.
    It’s just boring.

  129. Nick

    She told her father he was NOT walking down the aisle with her because she “needed NO man” to “give her away”.

    What’s the bet she whined about him needing to cough up the cash for the wedding as it was traditional ?

  130. Bushkid

    Bruce in WA
    #2975096, posted on March 31, 2019 at 12:36 am
    Forty years ago. A lady I loved desperately, who never knew and never felt that way towards me.

    This still brings back those years of quiet desperation and sadness.

    One of my favourites too Bruce, in fact that whole album.

  131. John64

    Ol’ Leathery obviously has some long service leave to use up before he officially puts the cue in the rack.

    Michael “pure evil “ Rowland is Insiders stand-in host.

    No thanks.

  132. Stimpson J. Cat

    He’s OK when he’s just being a normal guy and not a communist.

    Everyone is a normal guy.
    We just don’t think they are because we think we are.

  133. Tintarella di Luna

    ISIS Love Story: Yago and Shamima –

    “I love you,” he told her as they parted. “They were taking me away when I said it so I didn’t hear what she replied.”

  134. Tintarella di Luna

    Michael “pure evil “ Rowland is Insiders stand-in host

    What’s that thing on his face? Is he transitioning?

  135. Bushkid

    Ocasio-Cortez said, “Well, I mean, it is next level. I didn’t expect them to make total fools of themselves.”

    That is deadset coffee-on-the-keyboard funny!

  136. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I was fine until I got home and visited the Cat just before midnight.

    A dangerous bad habit, Elle, and one I am prone to myself. Drives Hairy spare.
    Get off the eff’n blog, he roars from the bedroom.
    When he hasn’t fallen asleep already. 🙂

  137. Eyrie

    “Read Numbers not realizing it was him; different style.
    He’s OK when he’s just being a normal guy and not a communist.”
    Almost like a regular human being.

  138. woolfe

    So you non believers Earth Hour virgin sacrifice worked and Gaia has dropped the temperature today.

  139. MatrixTransform

    Can’t help looking at all that water heading for the interior.

    Qld sat pic

    that’s awesome.
    I tried watching the auto-animation but it takes ages to load.
    even on a quad core i7 with 64GB of ram

    If you step through day-wise with the cursor at the bottom and allow each image to load into cache you can then grab the cursor and manually scroll though a couple of weeks and watch it flowing in a kind of stop-animation.

    seeing the cloud formations interacting with the water in the basin is interesting.

    stunning

  140. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    A lady I loved desperately, who never knew and never felt that way towards me.
    This still brings back those years of quiet desperation and sadness.

    Ah, unrequited love. I had a terrible case of that when I was thirteen. Lasted into my fourteenth year, and then suddenly I got over it. I learned to type and changed my name to Elizabeth. It was such a revelation. 🙂

  141. Mater

    Hey Bob,
    If the gun control laws are a public health issue, why are bullet Proof Vests and other such protective apparel considered as weapons under the same laws and punishable with the same sentences as illegally possessing a semi-automatic weapon?
    Surely such apparel is a positive for public health?

    (i) for a category D, H, or R weapon-300 penalty units or 7 years imprisonment; or
    (ii) for a category C or E weapon-200 penalty units or 4 years imprisonment.
    (iii) For a category A, B, M weapon-100 penalty units or 2 years imprisonment.

    Category E weapons – A bulletproof vest or protective body vest or body armour designed to prevent the penetration of small arms projectiles is a category E weapon.

  142. struth

    Outsiders initial comments by Rowan Dean obviously cut in case my delicate ears might not hear official party line…..

    Absolutely incredible.

  143. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    ISIS Love Story: Yago and Shamima –
    “I love you,” he told her as they parted. “They were taking me away when I said it so I didn’t hear what she replied.”

    It should have been ‘eff-off, murderer’, but I don’t expect it was.

  144. Elle

    Malcolm Farr has lost weight.

  145. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Everyone is a normal guy.
    We just don’t think they are because we think we are.

    Very Deep & Meaningful, Stimps.
    I had to read it twice and I’m still unsure what I think about the ‘us’. 😉
    Might be time for a nice cup of tea for Da Hairy Ape, to wake him up.
    He’ll put me straight on such complex philosophy.

  146. dover_beach

    IVF is’t a sexual act so your comparison not valid and I guess the same philosophical objections would apply to all relatives being surrogates.

    Not at all. You offered ‘medical detriment’ as the sole objection to IVF involving the sperm and egg of siblings and their mother as the gestational surrogate. I pointed out that if that were your only objection then you could have no objection to incest as well so long as they used contraceptives or engaged in anal or oral sex alone. Merely asserting that IVF is not a sexual act is not an argument, moreover, at the very least, IVF is a reproductive act that relates in this instance a brother and sister as mother and father and their mother as the birth mother of their child. It is extraordinary that you are trying to parse this as a non-sexual act in order to avoid the depravity involved therein.

  147. Nick

    Fairfax had a bleeding heart piece about how hard it is for Manus refugee in the USA. I desisted the urge to read about how cruel it is to lack free welfare on tap.

  148. bespoke

    If it walks like a duck and quakes like a duck it is a…

  149. struth

    Tell fairfax I’ll swap with them if they can change the rules to allow a white western male

  150. Nick

    If it walks like a duck and quakes like a duck it is a…

    Attention seeking duck ?

  151. bespoke

    I pointed out that if that were your only objection

    But I didn’t, dover.

  152. cohenite

    Armadillo

    #2975151, posted on March 31, 2019 at 3:02 am

    This is hilarious.

    Just wait until Cortez talks about the “cow grain” stuff they put in the troughs and stuff. Or whatever it is.

    This woman definately needs to be the Democrat candidate for 2020.

    https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019/03/29/ocasio-cortez-i-did-not-expect-gop-to-make-total-fools-of-themselves-with-green-new-deal-attacks/

    I’ll trade one ardern for your cortez; look at this:

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10156352141429370&set=a.10150149146444370&type=3&theater

  153. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Another perfectly unexceptional comment has fallen into moderation.
    Dot said it was happening to him too; inexplicably.
    I give up on trying to work it out. Into the lost comment box it goes.

  154. Boambee John

    Dot at 2328

    Well said, but Numbers will ignore it completely.

  155. Zatara

    ISIS Love Story: Yago and Shamima –

    “I love you,” he told her as they parted. “They were taking me away when I said it so I didn’t hear what she replied.”

    Something about cutting your cojones off for talking her into it?

  156. MatrixTransform

    If it walks like a duck and quakes like a duck it is a…

    probably a cross-feathered chook … a trans-avian

    and anybody who has a problem with that can get plucked

  157. Nick

    Just a question, what do vegans think would happen to animals if meat is banned? Few of them would actually be born. I wonder what’s worse? I spose we are talking vegans here.

  158. MatrixTransform

    Another perfectly unexceptional comment has fallen into moderation.

    apostrophe checking is a thing now

  159. egg_

    Michael “pure evil “ Rowland is Insiders stand-in host.

    Ugh, he’d outsmug The Scrote.

  160. MatrixTransform

    I spose we are talking vegans here.

    do vegan mothers breast feed?

  161. John Constantine

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-31/climate-change-when-human-nature-leads-to-rejection-of-science

    When the Reserve Bank announced recently that it was factoring climate change into interest rate calculations, it underlined a mainstream acceptance of potential impacts for a warming planet.

    Climate change now had economic consequences.

    But resistance to the premise of human-induced climate change still rages, including in regional and rural communities, which often are the very communities already feeling its effects.

    “When you look at the results of different surveys going back a few years, farmers were four times more likely than the national average to be climate change deniers,” said Professor Mark Howden, director at the ANU’s Climate Change Institute.

    “That was about 32 per cent versus about 8 per cent for the population average.”

    So, why do so many people in regional and rural areas not believe in climate change?

    Belief in climate change in rural areas will be engineered by mass importing a million voters from the worlds poorest countries, dumping them from helicopters into welfare dispersal areas in the outback so as to replace the existing dissenting population with an abc approved compliant one.

    Comrades.

  162. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    It is astonishing that an OZ editor has supposedly looked at this and concurs that it is not fit to be published. I am literally clueless to my sins.

    Try sending it back to him without the last sentence. Point out that you are willing to remove it as it may be that it offends a ‘hate’ protocol he considers he must follow. Argue that the rest of your comment is fair comment with which many of his readers would agree and ask again why it must be censored.

  163. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    It is astonishing that an OZ editor has supposedly looked at this and concurs that it is not fit to be published. I am literally clueless to my sins.

    Try sending it back to him without the last sentence. Point out that you are willing to remove it as it may be that it offends a ‘hate’ protocol he considers he must follow. Argue that the rest of your comment is fair comment with which many of his readers would agree and ask again why it must be censored.

  164. Chris

    do vegan mothers breast feed?

    Veganism is an psychological eating disorder as damaging as Bulimia.

  165. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I wish I could find some similar rhyme or reason to recent moderation on the Cat. I got nothing.

  166. John Constantine

    Their abc claim only eight percent of australians dissent against socialism posing as enviromentalism and deny the need for economic genocide and mass importation of millions of revolutionary military age activists to overthrow old australia to save the planet.

    Comrades.

  167. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Veganism is an psychological eating disorder as damaging as Bulimia.

    I think it very likely masks a milder form of anorexia.

  168. Mater

    But resistance to the premise of human-induced climate change still rages, including in regional and rural communities, which often are the very communities already feeling its effects.

    Actually, these are the people who tend to take far more notice of the weather, climate and the long term trends (sometimes over generations). Their livelihoods depend heavy on it.
    I trust farmers view on weather and climate far more than the average layman and a lot of the so called scientists.

  169. egg_

    Wow it only took the analog NPC seven min to pass judgment on a 27 min video.

    He commented on the Beechcraft cockpit vid not the Tall Man 55 sh1t stir.

  170. dover_beach

    But I didn’t, dover.

    We haven’t seen any other objections yet.

  171. bespoke

    As they age Groupies go from.

    Youthful excuse to sad then pathetic.

  172. John Constantine

    If their abc claim eight percent of australians are dissenters, and eight percent of australians vote greens:

    Why do their abc give their billion dollar taxfunded bully pulpit to the greens every day, but never to the dissenters that are the same percentage of the population.

    This hints at their abc being a political party posing as a media organisation.

    Cash for comment.

    Comrades.

  173. Percy Popinjay

    Grate news! Goose Morristeen and Josh Frydchickenberger now spraying taxpayers’ money around like confetti, in a desperate bid to buy some votes before electoral oblivion comes a’ callin’.

  174. Elle

    I wish I could find some similar rhyme or reason to recent moderation on the Cat. I got nothing.

    I posted last night a random post about dinner. It went into moderation. Our host was present though and allowed it through.

    There should be a list of words and potential links we cannot post or allude to.

  175. Chris

    Last night I had an Experience.
    Wow.
    I have been avoiding the ABC for oooh, 20 years? But sometimes its unavoidable and in this case there are three TVs in the camp mess.
    They had the clueless Pauline and her partners in stupid, going orf to Yankeeland to talk to the NRA and maybe score some lovely money for the Cause. But the level of propaganda against the NRA and Trump was off the scale! Is ginning up hate all the media can do these days?
    I think its time to give up pro-gun activism and go all out to denormalise the bastards. Make it so their kids are too ashamed to tell people what their mummies do.

  176. feelthebern

    She told her father he was NOT walking down the aisle with her because she “needed NO man” to “give her away”.

    As Nick said, I wonder who paid for the wedding.

  177. dover_beach

    Insiders laughing at Hanson over her alleged conspiracy claims a week after Russia collusion claim they peddled for over 2 years was exploded. Crush them all into the dirt.
    Sinistra delenda est.

  178. Zatara

    do vegan mothers breast feed?

    One hopes not.

    Vegan Breastfeeding Kills Baby

    The alternative isn’t much better though.

    Malnourished baby dies after parents fed him insanely strict vegan diet

  179. feelthebern

    DB, aren’t you in the US?
    You have a million things to do, watch.
    But you put yourself through Insider?
    C’mon dude, I know it’s Lent, but mortification only goes so far.

  180. feelthebern

    In Germany, you have mandatory pre natal & post natal checks.

  181. bespoke

    egg_
    #2975309, posted on March 31, 2019 at 10:02 am
    Wow it only took the analog NPC seven min to pass judgment on a 27 min video.

    He commented on the Beechcraft cockpit vid not the Tall Man 55 sh1t stir.

    Cheers egg_ I was using the Arky filter.

  182. John Constantine

    Wicked problem

    In socio-economic terms, a wicked problem is defined as one that is difficult or even impossible to solve, given the amount of cross-current and inter-related processes and resources required to resolve it.

    The drug trade, human trafficking and climate change are all classic wicked problems.

    Professor Hornsey believes current discourse can make farmers feel as though they are at the centre of an overwhelming societal problem, triggering further psychological rejection of the science.

    “I feel sorry for farmers around the climate change issue, because this is a problem that has been caused collectively.

    “Farmers are only a small part of the problem but they are going to be a huge part of the solution, so I think they feel put upon.

    “They feel like they are constantly being lectured about their need to make sacrifices to adapt to a set of circumstances that are largely out of their control.”

    Their abc make the billion dollar taxfunded call that drug pushers, human slavers and right wing climate dissenters are the same level of wicked problem.

    Comrades

  183. bespoke

    dover_beach
    #2975310, posted on March 31, 2019 at 10:03 am
    But I didn’t, dover.

    We haven’t seen any other objections yet.

    Then you missed it.

  184. woolfe

    Chris when I go in the mess in the morning if the TV I am sitting near is on abc I change channel to sky.

  185. Farmer Gez

    “When you look at the results of different surveys going back a few years, farmers were four times more likely than the national average to be climate change deniers,” said Professor Mark Howden, director at the ANU’s Climate Change Institute.

    “That was about 32 per cent versus about 8 per cent for the population average.”
    So, why do so many people in regional and rural areas not believe in climate change?

    Answer.
    An honest and considered opinion of the accuracy of meteorological predictions based on years of evaluating the skill shown by experts in weather and short term climate predictions.
    If you can’t get ten months right don’t tell me you can get ten years right.

  186. Elle

    I’m not a vegan, but have had many vegan dishes. They can be incredibly tasty. The best chicken burger I had was a vegan one. Very creative cooking. It’s just replacing stuff with other stuff. There have been so many advances in food and cooking.

  187. John Constantine

    She’s concerned there’s a level of denial among those living in rural areas due to how much is at stake, for farmers in particular.

    “I do think a lot about this subject — far too much. I keep coming back to a quote from a John le Carré novel, ‘the more that you have paid for a fake, the less likely you are to accept that it is a forgery’.”

    Does this quote explain everything from turnbullism to russia collusion to dynamiting coal power and deindustrialisation through globalism?.

    Comrades.

  188. EvilElvis

    She told her father he was NOT walking down the aisle with her because she “needed NO man” to “give her away”.

    Funny. I’d imagine she’ll gleefully accept a man’s financial assistance for some portion of the wedding, as she ‘dumps’ her father then commits to what I’d imagine is another man…

  189. .

    Rafiki redux
    #2975224, posted on March 31, 2019 at 8:51 am

    Hi Rafiki. Always good to defer to you.

    Sure but what if the legislation says any?. It seems to be phrased that way to implicitly repeal the maxim for that section (we should have had the common law maxims set in stone at Federation, but…”we did not need a bill of rghts” and “the constitution is fine, if it an’t broke, don’ fix it!”).

    Winning on appeal is a rather expensive way to assert your rights. We’re also talking about the way the law is applied to (right wing) minor parties; and ultimately the smearing the MSM will do to us.

  190. dover_beach

    Back in Oz, feeithebern.

    Bespoke, could you point it out then?

  191. bespoke

    P

    rofessor Hornsey believes current discourse can make farmers feel as though they are at the centre of an overwhelming societal problem, triggering further psychological rejection of the science.

    No you credentialist clown they use observable changes of many years not computer models.

  192. .

    She told her father he was NOT walking down the aisle with her because she “needed NO man” to “give her away”.

    BuT pRe NuPtIaL aGrEeEeMeNtS aRe SeXiSt!

  193. John Constantine

    But in real life, people behave more like lawyers, where they have a particular outcome that they have in mind and then they selectively interpret the evidence in a way that prosecutes the outcome they want to reach.

    “So you selectively expose yourself to information, you selectively critique the information, you selectively remember the information in a way that reinforces what your gut is telling you.”

    This is known as motivated reasoning — and online news source algorithms and social forums are only enabling the phenomenon, allowing for further information curation for the individual.

    Social forums that curate dissent are wicked problems to those that profit from enforcing compliance.

    Obviously re-educating those that curate dissent is Required.

    Comrades.

  194. .

    . The best chicken burger I had was a vegan one.

    The Ron Swanson Pyramid of Excellence is the cure.

  195. Percy Popinjay

    WTF is with the forking spaminator???

  196. feelthebern

    These fake meat burgers are hit and miss.
    Either too processed or too salty.

  197. .

    If you want science, learn about cointegration and unit roots.

    Carbon forcing is half of what the IPCC states and it is short term, it is not persistent.

  198. four times more likely than the national average to be climate change deniers

    I feel excluded.

    I think CO2 has got SFA to do with Gobbel Warning, Climate Change or Climate Uncertaindy.

    Offensive behaviour from the ABC. Ban the ABC from twitter and facechook before they incite more idiocy.

  199. bespoke

    A chicken burger with out chicken is a sort of like a chicken burger or a trans chicken burger if you insist.

  200. feelthebern

    How awesome would it be for someone to re-cut the final scene of Casino with the Russia collusion, hooker lawyer, Maddow melt down in a collage.

  201. bespoke

    dover_beach
    #2975333, posted on March 31, 2019 at 10:22 am

    Bespoke, could you point it out then?

    I indicated my reservations from begging.

  202. Nick

    Seriously, why eat vegan ersatz manufactured and processed ‘food’ when the real thing is available ?

  203. feelthebern

    Seriously, why eat vegan ersatz manufactured and processed ‘food’ when the real thing is available ?

    100%.
    A normal whole food, un-processed diet is the healthiest you’ll ever have.

  204. .

    Also consider causality, which cointegration can be used to determine.

    From a pre print copy:

    Cointegration Analysis of Climate Change: An Exposition (2007)
    Katarina Juselius
    Department of Economics, University of Copenhagen
    First version: July 31, 2007
    this version: August 29, 2007

    Abstract
    This paper describes in a non-technical manner (!) the concept of cointegration and its implications in the modelling of climate data. It illustrates a number of inference procedures appropriate in integrated-cointegrated vector autoregressive processes (VARs). Particular attention is paid to the properties of VARs, to the modelling of deterministic terms, to the determination of the number of cointegration vectors, and to testing hypotheses on long-run relation and short-run adjustment. The analysis is illustrated by an empirical analysis of sea and land temperatures in the period 1500-2000 and how the long-run movements in these temperatures have been in by solar radiation, greenhouse gasses and volcanic erruptions.

    The results of the analysis suggested that sea temperatures drive land temperatures; the long-run trend in sea temperatures is strongly associated with solar radiation and to some extent to the level of methane.

    It was not possible to obtain significant effects from CO2 and nitrous oxide gasses. Whether these findings are believable or not is for the climatologists to discuss.

    Full version:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/266862648_Cointegration_Analysis_of_Climate_Change_An_Exposition

  205. bespoke

    Seriously, why eat vegan ersatz manufactured and processed ‘food’ when the real thing is available ?

    To be accepted.

  206. .

    Please un ban, Sinclair FBI.

    Open up Sinc!

  207. Tom

    These fake meat burgers are hit and miss.

    FMD. If you don’t like meat, eat vegetables. If you are concocting something that looks like meat, but isn’t, you’re either in denial about your carnivorism or you are mentally ill.

  208. Infidel Tiger

    Watched Creed II the other day. Brilliant movie. Made me tear up watching the relationship between Drago and his son. Stallone was also magnificent.

    In a righteous world this movie would have scooped every major award.

  209. feelthebern

    Is Creed I any good?

  210. MatrixTransform

    Muddy, definition of

    Wokestan:

    the area in each city occupied by The Woke.
    In Melbourne for instance this roughly maps to held, or strongly contested Green seats.
    The regions are further delineated by [email protected] such as The Peoples Republic of Darebin, Yarragrad etc.

    Curiously it appears that a person doesn’t have to actually physically reside with the boundaries to be Woke
    and there are numerous examples where belonging to Wokestan seems to be entirely either in their heads, or in cyberspace.

    Some pundits suggest that Woke has both real and unreal components and that the easiest way to imagine this is by trusting that Wokestan exists at both ends of the rainbow

    Recently a theory has emerged that the denizens of these climes are a sort of parallel race to normal humans due to their self selective breeding and associative behaviours.
    Controversially this fits neatly into the interesting theory of “Budding Sympatric Speciation”

    Though given that the Wokest routinely sterilize themselves, abort their progeny, or show strong preference for same sex relationships, whilst promoting economy killing climate initiatives,
    it has been argued that as a distinct race, their chances of future survival are slim.

    see Joly, E. (9 December 2011).
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3275546/
    “The existence of species rests on a meta-stable equilibrium between inbreeding and out-breeding.
    An essay on the close relationship between speciation, inbreeding and recessive mutations”.
    Biology Direct. 6: 62. doi:10.1186/1745-6150-6-62. PMC 3275546. PMID 22152499.

    A consequence of the model proposed is that the existence of species would correspond to a metastable equilibrium between inbreeding and outbreeding, with excessive inbreeding promoting speciation, and excessive outbreeding resulting in irreversible accumulation of recessive mutations that could ultimately only lead to extinction.

  211. dover_beach

    She told her father he was NOT walking down the aisle with her because she “needed NO man” to “give her away”.

    Inestimably sad for her father.

    You reap what you sow.

  212. C.L.

    Morrison announces East German-style sports push:

    Yesterday, Prime Minister Scott Morrison announced a $150 million funding package aimed at supporting a “tsunami” of women and girls taking up sport.

    Sporting grounds and swimming pools across Australia will get new and upgraded female change rooms so more girls could embrace sports like soccer, AFL, rugby league and basketball.

    Sport Minister Bridget McKenzie said the success of female stars in the Matildas, AFLW, cricket, rugby league and union had created a tsunami of women taking up sport across Australia.

    In The Australian.

  213. .

    Sport Minister Bridget McKenzie said the success of female stars in the Matildas

    Didn’t the U15 Newcastle Jets team whup them 7-1?

  214. Elle

    Tom,
    Steak tartare is one of my favorite dishes.
    You like?

  215. C.L.

    Via Calli, I note that the “Christian” doctor given a platform by the ABC this morning – the one who loves killing unborn children – is an “elder” of the Uniting Church. LOL.

    I’m a Christian doctor and I help women have abortions. Here’s how I reconcile that.

  216. Cassie of Sydney

    Antipost…..it’s the word in capitals. I had a run in with Sankey a month ago…..he advised NO words in uppercase.

  217. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Bill Shorten promises to appoint a woman as Australia’s next governor-general.

    I’ll bet good money Julia Gilliard will be appointed.

  218. dover_beach

    I indicated my reservations from begging.

    That isn’t stating or revealing an objection.

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