So stupid it could only come from Australian government

Step 1 – implement policies that deliberately increase the price of electricity with a view to reducing electricity consumption to reduce carbon emissions.

Step 2 – once step 1 above has taken effect, with the price of electricity increasing such that electricity consumption declines because of the price increase, give grants to people to compensate for the increase in the price of electricity.

Australia. A case study.  A nut case.

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44 Responses to So stupid it could only come from Australian government

  1. stackja

    Kev 07 then Juliar, created this, TA tried to stop it, MT now Scomo going back to the future.

  2. Rockdoctor

    And grants that are a fraction of the already grossly inflated prices thinking the pensioners will thank them for it…

  3. Roger

    Creating expensive electricity in energy resource rich Australia is quite an achievement.

    When the lunacy has passed, the crop of politicians who gave us this situation will be remembered only as object lessons in incompetence.

  4. Tel

    If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.

    – Ronald Reagan.

  5. Karabar

    This time ’round I wonder how many dead people will get their $75 cheques.

  6. Bunyip Bill

    Frightening that this sort of thinking walks amongst us.

  7. NB

    Hey, they are from the government, and they are here to help.

  8. teamv

    Remember when the catbon tax was repealed and they tried to remove the low income subsody and the senate blocked it because it would mean less money for the “poor” even though prices went down following the carbon tax repeal?

  9. Pyrmonter

    Is it? Put it another way:

    – increase the marginal cost associated with a pollutant by levying a tax

    – redistribute the proceeds in a non-distorationary fashion

    Sounds like a Economics 1 exercise in Pigovian taxation.

    (Of course it would be more logical to apply the tax directly to CO2 output, rather than mandating an inefficient techonology; and (probably) better to use the proceeds raised to remove distortionary taxes like stamp duty on land sales, personal exertion incomes above 70k etc)

  10. Pyrmonter

    @ stackja

    Please catch up. TA promised to stop it. Just like he was recently promising to take us out of the Paris Agreement; and previously promised to deal with ‘debt and deficits’ and promised to repeal 18C. He makes those promises until called on to perform, when he doesn’t.

    The man’s promises aren’t worth the airtime used to broadcast them. At least with Rudd, Gillard, Turnbull and Morrison the contents look vaguely like the picture on the tin.

  11. John Bayley

    Sounds like a Economics 1 exercise in Pigovian taxation.

    Except CO2 is not ‘pollution’ and the ‘negative externalities’ are entirely made up.

  12. One trillion dollar debt bomb coming up. Doesn’t seem so bad at 55-60% of GDP.

    Doesn’t seem so bad with 10 year bond rates at 1.75% or so.

    Try 70-100% of GDP with 5% bond rates.

    It’s basically the beginning of an endless cycle of declining living standards and growing debt until we blow up the dollar and financial system and then we hit rock bottom and face mass unemployment, decadally low or negative wages growth, facile purchasing power, low or negative growth, very low foreign investment and usurious rates on government borrowing (if anyone would still finance us).

  13. Bruce of Newcastle

    By giving compo for high electricity prices they’ve acknowledged that renewables are increasing the cost of electricity.

    That is in direct opposition to the lie that solar and wind are cheaper than coal fired electricity. Dr Di Natale please note.

    I hope that wind operators are eventually fined for the environmental harm they cause. If they were given the same fines per dead bird that oil companies are fined it would financially wipe out wind farms completely.

    Not only wild creatures either.

    French farmers say wind turbines and solar panels have killed hundreds of their cows (27 Mar)

    Many such cases over the years have been reported. The authorities presently are ignoring such claims. It won’t stay like that I suspect, once wind farms lose the political protection they currently seem to have.

  14. Mark M

    Scomo and co. could be laughing at the failed green apocalypse tax by now, but can’t because they’re the same failed green apocalypse tax, just a little less so.

    What a lost opportunity. Idiots.

    Australia will never forgive them.

  15. John Constantine

    https://www.ft.com/content/e69eae78-3669-11e9-bd3a-8b2a211d90d5

    Before the national broadband debacle is finished, here comes 5g.

    Before we have replacement power that works we dynamite our coal power.

    We build massive gas import terminals because we ban gas exploration here

    We dump our irrigation water out to sea unused, then build desalinisation plants.

    What would it take to make us even blink at government stupidity?.

    Importing millions of the worlds poorest people from the worlds poorest countries to prop up the worlds most unaffordable property Ponzi?.

  16. Beachcomber

    Roger at 3:11 pm

    When the lunacy has passed………

    But it’s not going to pass. It will continue as the fascist left establishment take us down this accelerating civilisational decline from which there is no escape. There is no reason to be optimistic.

  17. RobK

    John C,
    We buy submarines on the never never whilst smart sub-drones are the way of the future according to the US.

  18. Faye

    There’s no one to vote for. We are on a mad horror-go-round and we can’t get off. For the Liberals to think they have a decent energy policy is ludicrous. They are hoping to get the 12-year-death-sentence believers to vote for them and, at the same time, throw the anti-climate change Pauline preferences under the Greens ‘Kill Australia’ bus.

  19. Beachcomber

    John Constantine at 4:23 pm

    What would it take to make us even blink at government stupidity?

    Is it just stupidity?, or malicious Marxist vandalism. There won’t be any ‘blinking’. The lumpen-proles have been medicated into a non-responsive condition by the education system and the media.

    An excellent partial list of government vandalism BTW.

  20. LDP
    ACP
    ALA
    PHON
    SFF

    “No one to vote for…”

    ??????

    If 20% of us voted for the above, there would be change for the better.

  21. RobK

    Step3 introduce a parasitic funding scheme that forces coal to subsidise substitutes that are incompatible with coal because the induced load fluctuations cant be followed by proven heavy industrial grade equipment.
    Step 4. Fund the propping up of a broken scheme by trial and error from beer coaster spread sheets.
    Some replacement coal fired power stations would have been cheap and efficiently reduced even co2, without all the low tech, low density, variable BS.

  22. Beachcomber

    LDP, ACP, ALA, PHON, SFF.

    If it looked like any of these might actually govern, the ABC-TASS media would use the AFP/VicPol and their judicial system to have the political leaders vilified and imprisoned; with the threat of imprisonment for any supporters who might object to this.

  23. Dr Fred Lenin

    This is career politics at its best , you take a thing that works well then fix it to suit your re election prospects with oreferences ,except the fixing is suffing it up . These maggots never attempt tp fix things which are actually broken ,that involves ability and they totally lack that . You always “fix “ the things that work and stuff them right up is their way to go .
    Alot of these mupoets have two bob “law degrees “ , which ones would you employ to defend you if you were wrongly charged with murder?
    If you wont emloy them in court why are they running the country ?

  24. I can’t tell if that is very droll or not…

    1. al Jazeera/ABC set up.
    2. Hanson imprisoned, conviction quashed.
    3. LDP sued by Liberals over choosing their name (very costly!).
    4. Lionisation of little thug “egg boy” (none of the above, but…).

  25. struth

    That Non binding Paris Agreement is very binding it seems.

    No matter what they do, no matter what, they will not pull out.
    That is just off the table.
    We can die poverty stricken from the heat and the cold but no way, ………no way, are we pulling out of Paris……………………..

    Oh Sorry, I’m being all conspiracy theory again.
    The liberal party are trying to attract the green vote………………………..yeah right.

  26. Beachcomber

    Frank Walker from National Tiles at 4:53 pm

    I can’t tell if that is very droll or not…

    Not trying to be droll at all. If Cardinal Pell was a progressive ‘social justice’ Catholic, do you think he would be in prison for phony crimes concocted by the ABC and VicPol? No, he is imprisoned for being a conservative who rejected Marxist homosexual incursions into the Catholic church. An enemy of the ABC state.

  27. We’ll I’ll just say that what you have described has already begun, but at a lower intensity.

  28. duncanm

    not surprising.

    Rebates on toll road payments writ large.

    The amount of useless churn (and the accompanying ticket-clipping) in government is astonishing; I wonder what proportion of GDP it is.

  29. duncan – going off Peter Saunder’s (CIS) old figures; the proportion of welfare churn (alone) of GDP was at least 9.3%.

    I suspect overall that it could be about 15% of GDP.

  30. Squirrel

    “Australia. A case study. A nut case.

    This, sadly, is fairly standard stuff for our elected and unelected officials – stuff things up (or allow things to become stuffed up while whistling and looking in the opposite direction), and then come sailing in (wind-sailing in?) with an expensive band-aid solution – take a bow, collect pay rise/promotion and then move on to the next triumph.

    As others have noted, this bribe will not be much relief to those who are really struggling – particularly if they don’t happen to qualify for a Concession Card…..

  31. Rossini

    Not only stupid coalition govt but stupid voting public about to install tits short arse to lead the next stupid
    green government!

  32. Robber Baron

    Cash. Just do business cash only.

  33. Bruce of Newcastle

    I didn’t have anyone in the lower house to vote for last Saturday, so I coloured in all the boxes.
    Voted ACP in the upper house. One of the few.
    Could not vote for SFF, LDP, PHON due to unacceptable policies.
    ALA didn’t stand as far as I can tell.
    We are so screwed.

  34. Hold your nose and preference strategically.

    We need a right wing stonewalling bloc in the Senate and our State Upper Houses (and in whacky QLD).

  35. Tel

    We buy submarines on the never never whilst smart sub-drones are the way of the future according to the US.

    https://www.dst.defence.gov.au/sites/default/files/basic_pages/documents/01_Dane_OciusTechnology.pdf

    There’s Australian companies in the drone space, but they are building small autonomous surface ships (not subs) which have advantage in terms of better power, lower maintenance, and better comms. Disadvantage is that being on the surface isn’t so stealthy, and there’s not as much you can do with them, as compared with subs.

  36. candy

    If you are going to bribe the electorate I am not sure $75 per individual is enough to sway a lot of people, these days. Pensioners are treated extremely well in Australia (and that’s a great thing), and $75 is chicken feed to a lot of them. They want more.

    Well it will sway some, for sure. I think $200 per individual would do the job better. Labor may up the amount. I am sure they are thinking about it. It is all simply cynical vote buying -nothing more.

    I understand Labor want to put the voting age down to 16, to get the young voters now, of say 18 to 25, who approve. It’s all extremely cynical. There are no values in either major party. sad.

  37. tombell

    TA gave us a debt levy. Tnx Tony. So an Energy Cost Levy to fund assistance to “the less well off” to be paid by anyone stupid enough to be deemed “rich” ($80k pa or thereabouts seems to do the trick) seems only a matter of time. You know it’s “fair”. Ironically, then, the only people whose energy use patterns change will be the so called rich- a diminishing group in Oz as we know.

  38. egg_

    It’s basically the beginning of an endless cycle of declining living standards and growing debt until we blow up the dollar and financial system and then we hit rock bottom and face mass unemployment, decadally low or negative wages growth, facile purchasing power, low or negative growth, very low foreign investment and usurious rates on government borrowing (if anyone would still finance us).

    AND dependent on an immigration Ponzi scheme?

  39. Our unfunded liabilities are quite dependent on immigration. This is simply a normative statement; it is what Treasury have forecast upon. Borjas and Dustman (2013) looked at England and their conclusion is that immigration multiplies per-existing outcomes for local labour markets, good or bad.

    No doubt being less selective in the last few years has seen the average quality of migrant and their capacity to pay decline.

  40. dauf

    After years of trying to understand, i give up. How could anyone with an IQ above room temperature not see the stupidity…must be all the journalism and political science subjects that people studied with no electives in logic & reasoning, science etc

  41. Dr Fred Lenin

    In the next election. Put every sitting member last ,every one , no matter what party they are owned by . Put the bloody wind up the useless bastards there now. Clean the shit out of the stables . The new ones couldn’t possibly be worse , and may be a bit better ,it’s amazing what a bit of fear will acheive , look at the .05 results with grog .

  42. Mick from Vic

    Could not vote for SFF, LDP, PHON due to unacceptable policies.
    ALA didn’t stand as far as I can tell.

    Bruce from Newcastle, would it be possible to elaborate on the “unacceptable policies” in particular you find objectionable?

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