Monday Forum: April 15, 2019

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  1. thefrollickingmole

    What are you doing here KD?
    Isn’t the Thursday before the Easter long weekend when Tinder is at its most desperate?

    Its RESurrection, not the other sort of erection you are thinking of.

  2. Knuckle Dragger

    My battalion’s Anzac Days were awesome.

    Pre-dawn gunfire breakfast. Suit up. Parade from 0500 to 0630.

    Boozer opens 0700. Cans 5 cents till 0800, then 10c to 0900, 20c to 1000 and so on before a price cap of $1.00.

    1400 – 700 drunken grunts laughing, playing pool, darts, cricket, sumo wrestling without the suits and punching on in the carpark.

    1700 – hit the town. Plenty of crumpet on offer.

    2100 – the RSM, every year, appears in the Flinders Street pubs, in uniform, with pacestick, Vietnam medals on massive chest, and who declares ‘I’m the toughest **** in North Queensland! Any takers?’ before staring down the punters and stalking off to the next establishment.

    2130 – something.

    0600 – wake up. 364 days to go.

    Mind you – tell the young’uns these days and they wooooon’t believe you.

  3. Colonel Crispin Berka

    Memoryvault. #2991374, posted on April 18, 2019 at 5:43 pm

    Wouldn’t it be just awful if Labor wins the election.

    The amount of election material in my letterbox over the last 8 days has been absurd.
    But it was amusing to see Labor trying to attack the Liberal candidate by pointing out the Lib had been one of the 7 MPs calling for a leadership challenge to topple Turnbull.
    If the LNP bloke has any sense they will draw even more attention to Labor’s claim, and stand behind it.
    Surely an own-goal by Labor. At this rate the nation won’t be getting the bitter pill you’ve prescribed.

  4. calli

    Don’t forget the chariot race. I can Live Blog it if you desire. Better if Pickles was here though. He adds much to the ambience.

  5. Now that the peanut gallery is assembled, will anyone debunk this?

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-18/fraser-annings-alt-right-staff-have-secret-plan-nazis/11025260

    Doesn’t Anning have some supporters here?

    It seems like complete BS and that it is simply a smear campaign.

    Oh yeah sure Australia is under threat from completely unpopular race baiting righties who have already infiltrated PUP and the Humanist Society.

  6. dover_beach

    Maybe not, Dover as these usually go for 2 to 2.5 hours.

    Gab, I used to go to one held at Corpus Christi on the Upper West Side and they went for 60-90 mins. Two hours may be a little too much for a four year old but you can always leave it gets too much or they just fall asleep.

  7. Knuckle Dragger

    10 pages! Yesss!!!!

    ftb,

    Tinder so far today is a desolate wasteland populated only by the sleekest of females, who have prudently stored enough blubber to carry them through the harsh wet season.

  8. Spider

    Tel

    All the polls have consistently demonstrated that the voters know perfectly well that Peanut is a poor choice for PM … but desperation and lack of options have left us in a pickle. The media savagely cut down any politician who outwardly shows the slightest initiative or ability to think. This leaves only the bland, the braindead and the astoundingly cunning.

    Shorten is as cunning as a shit house rat. He knows that if you repeat a big lie often enough it eventually becomes a truth. Think Mediscare.

    The Libs haven’t got a chance as they still want to play by Marquis of Queensbury’s rules while Bill is biting and kicking Fight Club style and the ref is on his side.

  9. Stimpson J. Cat

    Doesn’t Anning have some supporters here?

    Can we pull up the stats on who has more supporters, Anning or Leyonhjelm?

  10. calli

    Ahhh, yes. The old “Burning the Koran” stunt.

    Aunty wants him dead.

  11. cohenite

    It seems like complete BS and that it is simply a smear campaign.

    Seems?

  12. John Constantine

    Their shorten used to be described as Phar Lap’s heart in a rumpled rodents running gear.

    Now shorten is seen to be Stormy Daniels norks bolted onto a leprous aardvark.

    And will still launch the shortreich for vun tousan years.

    Comrades.

  13. Mother Lode

    I demand this thread continue until Easter Monday.

    Wicked, spiteful man!

    Actually that sounds like a new species.

  14. bespoke

    Oh come on
    #2991317, posted on April 18, 2019 at 4:21 pm

    Envy and greed is socialism. I hope she does well.

  15. It was more the blackface that seemed like complete and utter nonsense.

    Go right ahead Stimpy. I want people to debunk the ABC article. It is written plain as day as a talking points briefing for left wing true believers.

    The national broadcaster simply should not be doing this. It is another case of why I think it should be privatised or shut down.

  16. Memoryvault

    I tell you what ruins modern ANZAC Days:

    Just for interest sake, are there any ex-Nashos here who take part?
    Personally I wouldn’t be seen dead at an ANZAC day event.
    I never set foot in RSL clubs either.

  17. Infidel Tiger

    Take them to church, IT. Tonight, tomorrow, Sat evening, and on Sunday. They need to see you attend, pray, receive communion, act reverently, kneel, and the like. Don’t skimp by passing over the responsibility to your wife. Children will note this and it will lower their respect for Mass. Give thanks before a meal. Simple acts of piety are important. In time they will grow and be the best of children, and this will be noted by others.

    This is good advice

    I’ll be very interested to see if they can ruin Easter with woke

    Tonight they are getting the gospels as a bedtime story.

  18. Mother Lode

    Shorten is as cunning as a shit house rat.

    Gnome headed munt.

  19. jupes

    My battalion’s Anzac Days were awesome.

    That sounds more like the traditional Anzac Day than what’s described at Elle’s post from 3.35.

  20. Stimpson J. Cat

    Go right ahead Stimpy.

    No, I’m the Ideas Man.
    You lot are the Facts Men.
    That’s your job.
    How many times do I have to say this?

  21. Gab

    The loud noise at the mind might frighten them too, Dover. It certainly startles me and I’m expecting the sound.

  22. Armadillo

    Personally I wouldn’t be seen dead at an ANZAC day event.

    Numbers relishes it, the fucking hypocrite.

  23. Ellie

    Ellie!

    That’s a bit saucy.

    Sinc, we need sauce. Life is so boring without it … especially for a French chef.

  24. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    2100 – the RSM, every year, appears in the Flinders Street pubs, in uniform, with pacestick, Vietnam medals on massive chest,

    I remember my R.S.M. as being six feet, four inches tall, the very picture of martial glory, and capable of eating three lance corporals, without salt, before breakfast.

    I was stunned the first time I ever saw him in civilian clothing – he seemed such an insignificant little man…

  25. jupes

    Doesn’t Anning have some supporters here?

    It seems like complete BS and that it is simply a smear campaign.

    I reckon. Anning is a big supporter of Israel, so it would seem unlikely he would (knowingly) surround himself with neo-Nazis. You can understand them trying it on though, so Anning needs to be very careful when he nominates candidates for his party.

  26. Leigh Lowe

    I demand this thread continue until Easter Monday.

    I am demand this-a thread go all-a da way to Grik Easter.

  27. Leigh Lowe

    Tonight they are getting the gospels as a bedtime story.

    Scourging at the pillar, crown ‘o thorns, crucifixion.
    Sweet dreams, kiddies.

  28. Atoms for Peace

    I recall an ANZAC day March in 2010
    Melbourne. Firstly the Slapper pretty much led it.
    Secondly, a few road apples from the steeds had the OHS proles in conniptions.
    I reckon horses should always preceed politicians.

  29. Infidel Tiger

    “Don’t cry! It has a happy ending!”

  30. Leigh Lowe

    Tinder so far today is a desolate wasteland populated only by the sleekest of females, who have prudently stored enough blubber to carry them through the harsh wet season.

    If you are looking for low body fat, maybe Grindr is for you.

  31. Armadillo

    I see Vietnam got mentioned today (again), with some tosser trying to argue that even the American President thought it was “unjust”. FMD. The dickhead was in the in the Australian Army, not the Marines.

  32. Armadillo

    Ducks are still cool. Yes?

  33. Stimpson J. Cat

    If you are looking for low body fat, maybe Grindr is for you.

    The chicks on Grindr are all really ugly.
    It’s strange.

  34. Tel

    Shorten is as cunning as a shit house rat. He knows that if you repeat a big lie often enough it eventually becomes a truth. Think Mediscare.

    Yeah, naa … the people who fell for Mediscare were those who wanted to fall for it and were looking for a bit of self justification to help them get there. The public have Shorten’s number. He’s cunning, but not enough to hide what he is, which is becoming more self-evident every time he opens his mouth.

    They know what’s going on … but they don’t know how to appropriately respond to a situation that appears hopeless.

  35. Nick

    Scourging at the pillar, crown ‘o thorns, crucifixion.
    Sweet dreams, kiddies.

    Strumpets stoned, lots of wine, gambling, a few blokes fishing.

  36. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger

    #2991411, posted on April 18, 2019 at 6:08 pm

    IT, my bowel cancer test kit just arrived.
    Any pro tips from the Teutonic side of the family about examination, collection etc?

    They will most likely have been ordering dozens of them under false names for years.

    Another kit for Helmut McDougall of East Perth …

  37. The political establishment has tried to or has screwed over every minor right wing party in Australia.

    It isn’t that they specifically hate you or your party per se. It is systematic. They hate all of us but we’re really viewed as an administrative inconvenience.

    The Liberals and Nationals don’t like competition and the left don’t want the Overton Window shifted.

    Hanson gaoled, conviction quashed.
    LDP name nonsense from Liberals and the defunct, irrelevant Democrats.
    Outright lies about Anning, tacit support of violence.
    Turnbull changes voting system with the Greens as ALA and ACP became a real electoral threat.
    Leyonhjelm taken to court in frivolous civil case contrary to prima facie evidence.
    Turnbull and Morrison cuck themselves in piling on Anning and Leyonhjelm.
    The friviolous case against Leyonhjelm sprang from support for a private bill written and introduced by Anning.
    The circular firing squad of ineligible MPs began as a “play stupid games, win stupid prizes” contest to try to remove inconvenient minor party MPs against the democratic will.
    Peter Phelps MLC being shafted by the cuckservative NSW Liberal Party.

    I am sure others can list far more than I can rattle off.

  38. Atoms for Peace

    Today, having a chat with a nice lady. WW2 and all that. She mentioned service stars on a broach for those mothers who had offspring serve. 3 stars.

  39. Stimpson J. Cat

    bowel cancer test kit

    Yes yes, give your literal sh$t DNA to strangers.

    What could go wrong.

  40. Armadillo

    There is a reason there are no “Kentucky Fried Duck” restaurants. They are absolutely shit to eat.

  41. Arky

    That piece you posted is transparently the same old bunch of vague smears framed with scare words liberally inserted. The usual game.
    It leaves me no more the wiser about what the people they are talking about really believe.
    It sounds like utter crap Dotty.
    They have cried wolf far too many times for anyone to take it seriously.

  42. Stimpson J. Cat

    Tonight, tomorrow, Sat evening, and on Sunday.

    Steady on.
    Those vidya games won’t play themselves.

  43. hzhousewife

    bowel cancer test kit

    Yes yes, give your literal sh$t DNA to strangers.

    What could go wrong.

    Well, in hubby’s case, he would be dead at 68. No big deal to you I guess.
    And so far no-one has knocked on the door with a DNA match to anything at all, let alone nefarious.

  44. Oh come on

    Mrdoodleburger, IT. There are a few clips of his still on YouTube. Dubs of Home & Away, Hey Dad, Prisoner and A Country Practice. They’re pretty hilarious. Extremely profane, very adult themes but also very funny IMO. Definitely an acquired taste that will not be appreciated by all, very much NSFW.

  45. Leigh Lowe

    Geriatric Mayfly

    #2991367, posted on April 18, 2019 at 5:34 pm

    Oh! Joy! The Pony Post has delivered me someone else’s copy of The Age.

    Mrs L was reading it at the cafe the other day.
    Corbett’s classified advert “rivers of gold” have run dry.
    About ten death notices, including two hyphenateds, a doctor and a couple of AOs/AMs.
    The sort of people who (ahem) wouldn’t be seen dead in Rupert’s Herald-Sun.

  46. mh

    Breitbart: Battleground Florida: Dems, Progressive Groups Work to Turn Critical Swing State against Trump for 2020

    I expect all the J*ws fleeing broke New York will end up flipping Florida for the Dems.

  47. Infidel Tiger

    Mrdoodleburger, IT. There are a few clips of his still on YouTube. Dubs of Home & Away, Hey Dad, Prisoner and A Country Practice. They’re pretty hilarious. Extremely profane, very adult themes but also very funny IMO. Definitely an acquired taste that will not be appreciated by all, very much NSFW.

    Don’t really like swearing unless it’s super clever or done by a black guy.

  48. Leigh Lowe

    Armadillo

    #2991493, posted on April 18, 2019 at 7:01 pm

    There is a reason there are no “Kentucky Fried Duck” restaurants. They are absolutely shit to eat

    If you cremate it, yes.
    Mrs L cooked beautifully rare duck breasts the other night, with beets and orange segments.
    Magnificent.
    If you don’t eat it you are quackers.

  49. hzhousewife

    What’s the best Easter movie for kids?

    Passion of the Christ?
    Fatal Attraction?

    The Railway Children – with the beautiful Jenny Agutter.

    But you probably won’t easily find it.

  50. Leigh Lowe

    bowel cancer test kit

    Yes yes, give your literal sh$t DNA to strangers.

    What could go wrong.

    Well, in hubby’s case, he would be dead at 68. No big deal to you I guess.

    Mmmyes.
    If I withheld all pathology samples and biopsies I would have been cactus years ago.
    And any evil genius could have snagged my DNA by swabbing my coffee cup, anyway.

  51. Knuckle Dragger

    I just know this will start an argument, but…….

    There is no DNA in shit.

    None whatsoever, unless you are needle-in-a-haystack style lucky enough to locate a single anal or bowel cell from the mass of excrement you’re microscopically examining.

    Cool topic, LL.

  52. Stimpson J. Cat

    Well, in hubby’s case, he would be dead at 68. No big deal to you I guess.

    You realize you can ask your Doctor for a test, rather than going through the Government?
    And I didn’t even know you were married, let alone that he potentially had cancer, let alone that I wanted him dead when I didn’t even know he existed at all.

    But I’m glad it all turned out for the best for you both.
    Great news.

  53. mh

    Bitter and twisted. No kids.

    2020 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
    Ann Coulter says she’d consider vote for Bernie Sanders

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ann-coulter-says-shed-consider-vote-for-bernie-sanders

  54. Ann Coulter says she’d consider vote for Bernie Sanders

    ???

    She went very long on Trump early (as a guest on a Bill Maher TV show, IIRC). WTF!?

  55. Stimpson J. Cat

    Ann Coulter says she’d consider vote for Bernie Sanders

    She’s trolling Donnie for unfollowing her on Twitter.
    This is a 5D Chess game between two masters.

  56. Leigh Lowe

    You realize you can ask your Doctor for a test, rather than going through the Government?

    The reason is economics and effectiveness.
    The postage and kit probably costs under $10.
    We already pay doctors too much for routine sampling, testing and administering vaccines etc.

  57. mh

    Conservative commentator Ann Coulter said she could support Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-VT, in 2020 and even floated the idea of working in his administration if he returned to his earlier stance on immigration.

  58. Leigh Lowe

    I also reckon the bowel test kits are a great prompt for 50 year olds who never go to the doctor … “Hey, you are getting older and you are not invincible or immortal. Time to start looking after yourself.”

  59. Knuckle Dragger

    Pies on show.

    Redemption for two Grand Final losses coming against Brisbane.

  60. Stimpson J. Cat

    Ann is trying to stir sh$t up and make the election exciting.
    Hopefully she pivots to Yang Gang to really blow things up.

  61. Nick

    A friend handed her completed Pooh kit over to the bitch who runs her post office, with a large smile 🙂

  62. Stimpson J. Cat

    What does this mean?

    Rolling Stone
    @RollingStone
    ·
    Apr 17
    “The building was so overburdened with meaning that its burning feels like an act of liberation.” We talked to architects and historians about the significance of Notre Dame — and what should happen next (link: https://rol.st/2UG8JMV) rol.st/2UG8JMV

  63. mh

    I can’t see Bernie wanting Coulter working directly with him.

    Too crotchety. For Bernie.

  64. https://www.conservativenationalparty.org/policies

    The truth is that his policies are more appealing than the LNP and he would represent most LNP voters better than the party.

    Can’t say I agree with it all (nonsense about usury, a people’s bank, Birdian mum & dad ownership, collective bargaining and agricultural marketing) but I’d take him over the LNP.

    I’m actually impressed. Decent website and a forthright and succinct explanation of policies.

    He’s doing better than the ACP and PHON.

    In part I’m not even sure what those parties stand for.

  65. DrBeauGan

    Take them to church, IT. Tonight, tomorrow, Sat evening, and on Sunday. They need to see you attend, pray, receive communion, act reverently, kneel, and the like. Don’t skimp by passing over the responsibility to your wife. Children will note this and it will lower their respect for Mass. Give thanks before a meal. Simple acts of piety are important. In time they will grow and be the best of children, and this will be noted by others.

    This is good advice

    Yes, it is. If four hours of that doesn’t turn them into atheists, nothing will.

  66. stackja

    LDP accidental Senator got too smart. Assumed voters would fall for the same trick twice.

  67. Boambee John

    Frank Walker from National Tiles
    #2991449, posted on April 18, 2019 at 6:30 pm
    Now that the peanut gallery is assembled, will anyone debunk this?

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-18/fraser-annings-alt-right-staff-have-secret-plan-nazis/11025260

    Doesn’t Anning have some supporters here?

    It seems like complete BS and that it is simply a smear campaign.

    Oh yeah sure Australia is under threat from completely unpopular race baiting righties who have already infiltrated PUP and the Humanist Society.

    On a quick skim it looks as if Their ABC is terrified that someone might use the fascist left’s tactics against them.

    I particularly liked the use of the old Soviet tactic of “entryism” against the Humanists.

    Otherwise, largely paranoid fantasies.

  68. stackja
    #2991524, posted on April 18, 2019 at 7:42 pm

    LDP accidental Senator got too smart. Assumed voters would fall for the same trick twice.

    What trick? Life is tough as a microparty. The MSM only want to give you attention if it is negative.

    BTW I think you mean three times.

  69. Leigh Lowe

    Nick

    #2991519, posted on April 18, 2019 at 7:38 pm

    A friend handed her completed Pooh kit over to the bitch who runs her post office, with a large smile 

    Shitting in an envelope and posting it to Canberra does have a certain appeal to it.

  70. Leigh Lowe

    A reply paid envelope to boot.

  71. Infidel Tiger

    The reason is economics and effectiveness.
    The postage and kit probably costs under $10.
    We already pay doctors too much for routine sampling, testing and administering vaccines etc.

    I realise this will see me crucified here, but healthcare is the one area I think some government involvement is necessary. I also believe the private sector has a huge role.

    Stuff like this bowel screening program is money well spent.

  72. stackja

    PHON got two NSW MLC.
    LDP zero.

  73. DrBeauGan

    How did the ikea assembly job go Stimpy?

  74. Infidel Tiger

    Yes, it is. If four hours of that doesn’t turn them into atheists, nothing will.

    Atheism is the saddest outcome I can imagine.

    Wouldn’t end well for me if I came to that conclusion.

  75. Yes stackja but what exactly was the “same trick”?

  76. Colonel Crispin Berka

    Frank Walker,

    The national broadcaster simply should not be doing this.

    The only way I’d let ABC get away with it is if they only state the facts and secondly write such hit pieces only for distribution in Queensland. The guy was never elected, he was appointed directly after Roberts got disqualified, but he has to face proper election at some point. It is really the voters of Queensland who have to decide if Anning should be one of their Senators, not the 5th column 4th estate.

    Interesting that all this dirt around Anning is gleaned from “messages” of unknown providence, and they have come out 3 weeks after the photo of Waters giving the middle finger in parliament has surfaced. Whether this is all true dirt being fairly exchanged in the leadup to elections or just the ABC manufacturing dissent, who really knows? The ABC would have to establish the providence and credibility of “messages” which purport that: 1) Wilson created the old anti-5emitic images on the Palmer group, and, 2) that Wilson knew about that, and 3) that Wilson later explicitly approved Anning to work for his campaign. Anything less is just hot air. The voters can decide from there.

    These “alt-right” cavemen remain fringe groups at best, and there is no chance they would gain any significant power even if they got one person into Parliament. Firstly nobody would want to do a deal with them to get balance of power when there are others to work with, but especially considering the Senate does not introduce new legislation. So in terms of actual capacity for social damage, it’s an eyesore which has been exploited for a lefty freak-out but has little impact on the country even if every single one of these claims turned out to be true. It’s an NPC beat-up. i.e. “Koran burn bad!”

  77. calli

    What does this mean?

    Pretentious wankobabble.

    Pay it no heed. It’s silliness dressed in the fine clothes of academia.

  78. Atoms for Peace

    Stimp. Old saying; if shite was worth gold, poor people would have no arseholes.

  79. Stimpson J. Cat

    Atheism only has one potential benefit.
    It can potentially make Mental Illness slightly less painful.

  80. Colonel Crispin Berka

    Argh, in 2) and 3) I got the names round the wrong way.

    Probably a sign I should adjourn.

  81. DrBeauGan

    Atheism is the saddest outcome I can imagine.

    Having your little girl grow up into a clone of Notafan strikes you as better?

  82. Cassie of Sydney

    “jupes
    #2991473, posted on April 18, 2019 at 6:46 pm
    Doesn’t Anning have some supporters here?

    It seems like complete BS and that it is simply a smear campaign.

    I reckon. Anning is a big supporter of Israel, so it would seem unlikely he would (knowingly) surround himself with neo-Nazis. You can understand them trying it on though, so Anning needs to be very careful when he nominates candidates for his party.”

    Anning is pro-Israel and pro-J**s. Being J**ish myself I have never seen or heard him say anything anti-Semitic. It is the usual smear campaign by the mainstream media……they have been viciously attacking him since his maiden speech in the senate and then there was the fracas on the beach at St Kilda….again another hysterical beat up by the leftist media.

    I mean even Avi Yemeni is now smeared as a ne0-Nazi….we are living in a dystopian society.

    Happy Easter everyone. I am off to the marxist state of Victoria to celebrate the Passover.

    Take care over the break.

  83. Leigh Lowe

    Stuff like this bowel screening program is money well spent.

    Hmmm.
    The Teutonic obsession is rubbing off.
    But, yes.
    Once you have a system where government is going to pay big chunks of treatment costs, it makes perfect sense to invest a few dollars per person on preventative measures.
    There are other things I like about it, too.
    Firstly, it puts the decision in the individual’s hands. Test if you want, or bin it if you don’t want it. No probs. But don’t sook if you end up discovering you have Stage 4 in three years time.
    Secondly, 50 is an age where a gentle reminder about natural decay (not just bowel cancer) doesn’t go astray.

  84. calli

    Did you draw deeply on that cigar, DrBeau? It seems brighter.

  85. Cassie of Sydney

    “Atheism is the saddest outcome I can imagine.”

    Agree, I remember reading someone describe atheism as akin to being eternally locked in an empty room with no windows.

  86. calli

    Having your little girl grow up into a clone of Notafan strikes you as better?

    Why would she do that? The Christians here are hardly clones of each other.

  87. Knuckle Dragger

    ’50 is an age where a gentle reminder’

    Quite true.

    At 49, however, you can do what you like with absolutely no consequences. None.

  88. Tel

    PHON got two NSW MLC.
    LDP zero.

    Yes, the PeaHon sensed an opportunity and soaked up votes from that segment of the public. Both LDP and PeaHon are protest parties really … slightly different kind of protest. As Tiles pointed out already, the mainstream media hates all of those “off the plantation” parties. I’m happy to see anything that weakens the power of the major parties and at this stage the Greens have outlived any usefulness (another protest party … but long ago stopped doing anything good for the environment … now an IowahawkSkinSuit party).

  89. Numbers relishes it, the fucking hypocrite.

    Not really.

    As usual, I’ll be marching. I march to remember and honor the men I served with in Vietnam.

    There is for me, a very poor match between my service in Vietnam, and the ANZAC story. With the wonderful hindsight that history provides, we understand now the political deception and sad futility that was characteristic of that conflict..

    To state that – to put it out there – does not dishonour the diggers. They did their duty, and we owe them.

    We also owe my father who fought in the RAAF in the New Guinea campaign, and my great uncle Clarrie, who served in France in WW1, and every other digger who enlisted or was conscripted.

    It seems that there’s a set of public statements about ANZAC Day that are acceptable, and anything not PC or departing from that creates outrage. Just ask Yassmin Abdel-Magied.

    I’ll take that risk, and to hell with the outrage.

    After I returned from Vietnam, it was fifteen years before I marched on ANZAC Day. The first time was in 1985 only because I felt I owed a gesture of respect and thanks to the local RSL, who had donated $500 to my school. I was the principal of a Special School at the time.

    I’m still not sure how they knew I had fought in Vietnam, as I had worked hard to keep it quiet. Being identified as a Vietnam veteran before the Welcome Home march in 1987 was not necessarily a good thing.

    Looking back, apart from avoiding the persisting public rejection and disregard of Vietnam veterans which pretty much began to evaporate in 1987, I hadn’t marched because I felt my experience in Vietnam had very little to do with ANZAC Day. I still feel the same, but marching these days gives me the opportunity to share something with fellow ex-servicemen and women. Long Tan day (August 16th) has greater significance for me than ANZAC Day.

    What we share on these days is difficult to put into words, but it revolves around mateship, compassion and pride. We were fighting for each other. The bond that develops around this shared experience is uniquely strong.

    When you look at the ANZAC myth, and compare it with the reality that was Vietnam, I reckon my early misgivings were justified.

    In the first place, I was a conscript. The ANZAC myth doesn’t fit well with conscription.

    I was a soldier not because I was sacrificing everything for Queen and Country, but because it was a better option than being jailed – hardly a noble motivation. If I had resisted my call-up, I would have fronted a magistrate and probably spent the next couple of years in Boggo Road. As a beginning teacher at the time, that would not have been a good career move. Teaching was incompatible with a criminal record.
    Our country was at peace at the time of my service. Unlike during WW2, there was no existential threat. There was no Imperial force at our doorstep. Darwin hadn’t been bombed.

    The relatively recent experience of WW2 was, however, cynically exploited by the politicians of the time. They needed those DLP preferences to hold on to power. Echoes of the “Yellow Peril” rhetoric used under threat of Japanese invasion were carefully resurrected during the Vietnam era. After all, the Vietnamese and Japanese were Asian. For the fearful and pig ignorant – that was enough.

    Fighting in peacetime when there is no existential threat is not a good fit with the ANZAC myth.

    Like it or not, I was part of an army of occupation. We were “invited” to participate only after the corrupt South Vietnamese government was pressured by our government at the time to do so. The ANZAC myth promotes the notion that we were fighting for freedom. The Australian people were sold that narrative in reference to Vietnam.

    I question that. I doubt very much that most Vietnamese at the time welcomed us. Given their history of resisting in sequence, the Japanese, the French and the Americans, welcoming Uc Da Lois would have been an historical aberration. All the Vietnamese wanted, after forty years of conflict, was peace.

    Diggers in Vietnam maintained the ANZAC tradition in terms of how they conducted themselves. The same can’t be said of our political leadership at the time.

    The ANZAC myth is rich with references to throwing out occupying armies, especially during the Pacific campaign. Along with most of SE Asia, the Japanese occupied Vietnam for a while. Ironically, twenty years later, so did we. I wonder how that sits with the ANZAC story?

    And of course, Vietnam became a lost cause. Mind you, so was Gallipoli, but at least the young men who fought so well during Churchill’s excellent adventure, were volunteers. It’s worth noting with the celebration of the centenary, the mythological attention seems to be morphing away from Gallipoli and towards the Western front. The myth is obviously malleable.

    Not only is the myth malleable; it is also corruptible. A few years ago, I was asked to deliver an ANZAC Day address at my old high school. I researched the task thoroughly. After all, as a teacher, I wanted to deliver something engaging, but most importantly, historically accurate.

    To my amazement, when I visited the ANZAC Day commemoration website, I discovered that I had actually volunteered to fight in Vietnam. This did not sit well with my recollection, nor, as it happens, with the National Service Act.

    I phoned the Commemoration Committee number as advertised on their website, and was told that my memory was wrong, and that every Nasho who served in Vietnam was given the chance to escape service in Vietnam in what were called “opt-out” parades.

    I found that revelation amazing, as I was never present at an “opt-out” parade. When I asked the men from my rifle section if they had participated in such a parade, their memories concurred with mine. Perhaps my unit (7 RAR) was exceptional?

    I then went to the AWM website and checked the record. If you have enough time and motivation, every CO’s parade is recorded and you can check the detail. No “opt-out” parades were recorded for my unit in the six months prior to embarkation, so I began to check other Infantry units.

    After many hours, and much frustrating searching, I found no reference to such parades and gave up.

    Subsequently, Mark Dapin’s work which has debunked so many romantic generalisations has clarified the range of experiences of Nashos. What he has written has pretty much confirmed my recollection, but there are diehards who continue to maintain the opt-out myth. The Commemoration Committee has now corrected the record.

    The campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan sit better with ANZAC than Vietnam, as do the various peacekeeping actions, mainly because ADF members were volunteers. Iraq is a stretch. The invasion of Iraq was justified by a lie after all, but that does not diminish the sacrifice of the diggers.

    In summary, our involvement in Vietnam has four characteristics at odds with the ANZAC myth.

    We were part of an army of occupation.

    It was peacetime.

    Many of us were conscripts.

    Vietnam was foreign soil.

    Admittedly, some of the other conflicts had elements of these characteristics, but all of them?

    Vietnam was a sad anomaly.

    It’s worth acknowledging that the Chocos who fought so well on the Kokoda track were also conscripts, but they were fighting in Australian mandated territory. Vietnam was not that.

    By the time I was there, victory was a lost cause, a reality that the US administration knew and understood, even as they continued to send conscripts to fight and die. You could be charitable and believe that our government at the time was not aware of the import of the Pentagon papers, but a call-up that avoided political blowback by taking a small proportion of young men was far from charitable.

    None of these four exceptional factors characterising the Vietnam conflict sit well with the myth of noble self-sacrifice, or with the Australian experience of other wars.

    So I will continue to march, but I will do so as a mark of respect towards my fellow ex-servicemen and women. I will remember those who did not survive, and march with those who did.

    I will march with a mix of sorrow and anger, and with the fervent hope that there will be no more Vietnams.

  90. Leigh Lowe

    “Atheism is the saddest outcome I can imagine.”

    Agree, I remember reading someone describe atheism as akin to being eternally locked in an empty room with no windows.

    Atheists are a bit like vegans.
    Loudly proclaiming their superiority at every turn.

  91. Geez, no time wasted in making untoward predictions:

    https://www.clcnsw.org.au/nsw-upper-house-update-tough-times-ahead-government

    Micro-right and single-issue parties tend to ‘horsetrade’ on their desired policy outcomes rather than treat each piece of legislation on its individual merits. Given their history, there’s a strong chance the One Nation MPs will split as a unified voting block faster than an egg on the back of a bigot’s head. This will make it even harder for the government to pass legislation.

    Sure, use the NSW election to sledge Anning who had no candidates in the race.

  92. Infidel Tiger

    Having your little girl grow up into a clone of Notafan strikes you as better?

    Most certainly.

    Caring, loving mother, with a love of family, country and God? This is what I aspire to produce.

    Atheism to me means nihilism, destruction, waste and terrible terrible hangovers that never stop hurting. I can’t imagine a worse belief system.

    I might be a pussy agnostic, but I have standards.

  93. Leigh Lowe

    Big scroll, that one.

  94. Arky

    Oh God.
    What a disgusting mash of ahistorical garbage.

  95. Tom

    New forums cost a lot these days 😀

    Splendid news, Your Doomlordship (via your archangel Gab).

    The demand for three or more open forums a week comes from the bad old days, when loading up forums of more than 1000 comments slowed down the system to a crawl, like the little freight train that couldn’t negotiating a steep grade.

    Ancient history.

    I demand that there now be a maximum of two open freds a week and that anything less than 2000 comments should be considered a prehistoric, anti-scientific, anti-social failure.

    Could we make the pages 1000 comments each?

  96. mh

    Numbers doesn’t like to talk about it.

  97. jupes

    As usual, I’ll be marching. I march to remember and honor the men I served with in Vietnam.

    The ten best months of your otherwise pathetic life.

    No wonder you bang on about it.

  98. Tom

    New forums cost a lot these days 😀

    Splendid news, Your Doomlordship (via your archangel Gab).

    The demand for three or more open forums a week comes from the bad old days, when loading up forums of more than 1000 comments slowed down the system to a crawl, like the little freight train that couldn’t negotiating a steep grade.

    Ancient history.

    I demand that there now be a maximum of two open freds a week and that anything less than 2000 comments should be considered a prehistoric, anti-scientific, anti-social failure.

    Could we make the pages 1000 comments each?

  99. DrBeauGan

    Did you draw deeply on that cigar, DrBeau? It seems brighter.

    Yes, Calli. Or at least I edited the old image.

  100. A beautiful missive, highly respectful of our soldiers, sailors and airmen without being mawkish, tainted by communist nonsense.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_reform_in_Vietnam#North_Vietnam

    Executions. Executions and imprisonment of persons classified as “landlords” or enemies of the state were contemplated from the beginning of the land reform program. A Politburo document dated 4 May 1953 said that executions were “fixed in principle at the ratio of one per one thousand people of the total population.” That ratio would indicate that communist Vietnam contemplated the execution of about 15,000 “reactionaries and evil landlords” in carrying out the program.[30]

    The number of persons actually executed by communist cadre carrying out the land reform program has been variously estimated. Some estimates of those killed range up to 200,000.[31] Author Bernard Fall estimated executions at 50,000. Other scholarship has concluded that the higher estimates were based on political propaganda emanating from South Vietnam and that the actual total of those executed was probably much lower. Scholar Edwin E. Moise estimated the total number of executions at between 3,000 and 15,000 and later came up with a more precise figure of 13,500.[32] Moise’s conclusions were supported by documents of Hungarian diplomats living in North Vietnam at the time of the land reform.[33] Author Michael Lind in a 2013 book gives a similar estimate of “at least ten or fifteen thousand” executed.[34] As part of the correction campaign as many as 23,748 political prisoners were released by North Vietnam by September 1957.[35]

  101. Knuckle Dragger

    Well, I’m glad that rant of Bob’s was free, and that I didn’t pay $3.95 for it at Toowoomba East post office.

    The only man ever to have served in Vietnam.

  102. Knuckle Dragger

    My thoughts on you are adequately represented upthread, Bob.

  103. Knuckle Dragger

    The man so proud of serving his country he wanted it schtum from the people in his own town.

  104. Tom

    Weird. A comment of mine of fewer than 100 words has disappeared without a trace — and without a sign of a single naughty word.

    The spaminator has been memorising 1984 and has developed its own fascist intelligence.

  105. Arky

    Excellent reply to numbers Dot.
    He should dwell on the many terrible acts of the communist bloc. Feel pride in his role in stopping the bastards.
    I had a lecturer who watched the cadres in the cultural revolution come to his village and throw the local teachers down the well.
    Commonplace.

  106. The communist apologist rations have been doubled.

    That’s doubleplusgood, Tom!

  107. DrBeauGan

    Atheism to me means nihilism, destruction, waste and terrible terrible hangovers that never stop hurting. I can’t imagine a worse belief system.

    I might be a pussy agnostic, but I have standards.

    It doesn’t mean anything remotely like that to me, IT. It isn’t a belief system and it doesn’t produce hangovers. The question is, which do you prefer, truth or a comforting lie? Do you want to half believe that the universe has a creator, a bit like you but much smarter, who cares about you but has an odd way of showing it? Or are you game to face up to the possibility that you have evolved to fit nicely into a tiny corner of a universe that mostly doesn’t give a stuff about you?

    It’s a test of moral courage..

  108. Pedro the Ignorant

    Who posted “Vietnam” and awakened the Kraken?

  109. Leigh Lowe

    Tom

    #2991572, posted on April 18, 2019 at 8:21 pm

    Weird. A comment of mine of fewer than 100 words has disappeared without a trace — and without a sign of a single naughty word.

    You probably posted it too close to the black hole at 8:08.

  110. calli

    It’s a test of moral courage..

    Is it morally courageous to take a cheap shot at notafan to make a rather silly point?

  111. 2dogs

    Atheism only has one potential benefit.
    It can potentially make Mental Illness slightly less painful.

    On the contrary, it has been scientifically proven that religion reduces pain.

  112. Infidel Tiger

    I’m not smart enough or dumb enough to be an atheist.

    I’m just an ordinary guy with lots of questions.

  113. Arky

    who cares about you but has an odd way of showing it?

    ..
    Your life is that awful that your can’t feel cared for by the world?
    Doesn’t just about everything in the universe almost perfectly suit you?

  114. Leigh Lowe

    I had a lecturer who watched the cadres in the cultural revolution come to his village and throw the local teachers down the well.

    Pity they didn’t get to Toowoomba.

  115. Exit Stage Right

    Numbers,

    You are one weird dude. I’m sure that you weren’t missed in the first fifteen years that you did not march on Anzac Day. Don’t think I would want you in a trench next to me. So you are marching out of respect for your Daddy and Great Uncle. FMD.
    You know what I think? You should have been born a generation later so that you and David Morrison could have marched hand in hand in your high heels.

  116. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger

    #2991580, posted on April 18, 2019 at 8:32 pm

    I’m not smart enough or dumb enough to be an atheist.

    I’m just an ordinary guy with lots of questions.

    Just ration the percentage of questions about bowel movements to under 10% of the total.
    It creeps up on you, the Teutonic obsession.

  117. Arky

    Beaugan: “This universe is shit”
    God: “Whaddaya mean, what’s wrong with it”?
    Beaugan: “I don’t like the particular shade of puce during mid autumn sunsets”.

  118. Tel

    On the contrary, it has been scientifically proven that religion reduces pain.

    Oxycontin of the masses.

    Great for pain relief … questionable as a life strategy, but each to his own.

  119. DrBeauGan

    Your life is that awful that your can’t feel cared for by the world?
    Doesn’t just about everything in the universe almost perfectly suit you?

    Only on planet Earth, Arky. Because my species evolved here. Try Jupiter if you think the universe loves you.

  120. Arky

    The universe didn’t put you on Jupiter.

  121. Ellie

    Numbers, darling! You have clouded my tribute to Sinc. God dam you!

  122. Arky

    It’s not too late for the universe to rectify Beaugan’s location.

  123. Leigh Lowe

    You are one weird dude. I’m sure that you weren’t missed in the first fifteen years that you did not march on Anzac Day. 

    Idea for movie.
    Ruthless People 2.
    Plot : “Spud gets captured by the VC who demand big ransom/prisoner exchange.
    Over a relatively short period, the VC decrease their demands to almost zero.
    Meanwhile, south of the line, Spud’s unit are having trouble raising the 150 dong (24 cents) final ransom, and keep missing the rendevous times for prisoner exchange.”

  124. bespoke

    Ellie
    #2991550, posted on April 18, 2019 at 8:04 pm
    Stick it up the critics, Sinc.

    Link no work

  125. Tel

    Try Jupiter if you think the universe loves you.

    Cheap energy, fewer commies, low taxes, don’t need a mining permit.

    Once the self driving trucks take over our government, you won’t be finding a lot of jobs this side of Jupiter. We could just vote ALP but then there’s be no jobs and no self driving trucks either … so I’ll vote for Mr Volvo if you don’t mind.

  126. Mother Lode

    My battalion’s Anzac Days were awesome.

    It is probably a good thing to remember from time to time that the people we commemorate were young with fire in their blood. And that is who the old guys remember.

  127. DrBeauGan

    It’s a test of moral courage..

    Is it morally courageous to take a cheap shot at notafan to make a rather silly point?

    Notafan has made plenty of cheap shots at me, Calli. And she’s a Christian and has no excuse. You’ve taken a few, too. But you are right. It was beneath me, and I apologise to her for it.

  128. Mother Lode

    Just eaten yakiniku at Ginza Yakiniku in North Sydney.

    Fantastic!

    I believe the original is in Burwood.

    Finishing with a Dasai sake from Yamaguchi-ken. Absolutely delicious. Incredibly smooth, exactly right floral notes.

    Highly recommended for anyone sake-inclined.

  129. Arky

    Notafan has made plenty of cheap shots at me, Calli. And she’s a Christian and has no excuse. You’ve taken a few, too. But you are right. It was beneath me, and I apologise to her for it.

    ..
    For sure Beaugan has taken plenty of cheap shots at me, the asshole, And he is so much brighter than the rest of us and has no excuse. But you are right. It is beneath me. Magnificent ME. Me. Meeeee! Me who reigns supreme over all you deciduous dwarves, and I apologise.

  130. Farmer Gez

    I wish this bloke could have written a book before his demise:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Badcoe

    I’m sure my magnificent RSM Uncle knew Badcoe.
    They both served in the Indonesia/Malaya confrontation and with the AATTV in Vietnam.

  131. Leigh Lowe

    Deciduous dwarves?

  132. bespoke

    Ellie
    #2991600, posted on April 18, 2019 at 8:46 pm

    Here it is, bspoke.

    Cheers

  133. Arky

    So much worse and lower than the evergreen ones.

  134. Arky

    Deciduous dwarves?

    ..
    Oh I see what you are saying.
    it is spelt like hoofs.
    deciduous dwarfs.

  135. Overburdened

    Re Watership Down

    You’ve read the book

    You’ve seen the movie

    Now eat the pie

    Which makes me ponder whether otherwise normal people from the city went to the country, left because there was no Maccas, but were there long enough to be contaminated with myxomatosis because of their weakened immune systems; and then spread it upon their return amongst the other city denizens, who then mutated into vegans, hipsters or assorted lefties.

  136. Armadillo

    Quite a rant by nUmbers. He proudly marches in the uniform, but he hates everything about it.

    No lack of self awareness there. What a grub. Here’s a tip. Don’t march at all, you publicity seeking, self absorbed cretin.

  137. Overburdened

    Given the CSIRO’s impressive record of introducing things to solve problems which created other problems, it could be possible.

  138. bespoke

    Cheap shots have no place on the Cat.

  139. Arky

    No lack of self awareness there. What a grub. Here’s a tip. Don’t march at all, you publicity seeking, self absorbed(sic) cretin.

  140. Arky

    Ah fuck.
    I think I put the (sic) in the wrong place:
    Better fix it:

    No lack of self awareness there. What a grub. Here’s a tip. Don’t march at all, you publicity seeking, self absorbed(sic(sic)) cretin.

  141. Arky

    Bugger.
    Now I think about it, I was right the first time:
    ..

    No lack of self awareness there. What a grub. Here’s a tip. Don’t march at all, you publicity seeking, self absorbed(sic(sic(sic))) cretin.

  142. Armadillo

    At first they come for the ducks, and then they come for the dwarfs.

    Sinc, please ban Arky.

  143. Leigh Lowe

    Cheap shots have no place on the Cat.

    We can’t afford expensive shots.
    Well, JC can, but he is a fat cat, high roller from the big end of town.
    The rest of us are battlers and wukkers.

  144. Armadillo

    Oh great. The grammar and spelling Police have arrived.

    Duck you.

  145. Nick

    Oh great. The grammar and spelling Police have arrived.

    Shit, quick, hide the ellipsis

  146. Steve trickler

    This footage is gold. From Feb 2019.

    Erikson says little and just films the show.



  147. Tel

    Cheap shots have no place on the Cat.

    Rim shots still OK aren’t they? Badum Tish!

  148. JC

    I wish I was Leigh. I’m around. I’ve preferred to lurk in the recent past mostly, because there’s really not much in the way of interesting news around.
    I’m also spending a bit of time each day with my mother at the nursing home as she’s not well. She sleeps for a good part of the day and night, which is not a great sign.

  149. bespoke

    Oh great. The grammar and spelling Police have arrived.

    Pfft! bring it on.

  150. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Stimpson J. Cat at 7:00 pm:

    bowel cancer test kit

    Yes yes, give your literal sh$t DNA to strangers.

    What could go wrong.”

    You could not have made more clear that you have no idea what you are talking about.

    Bowelscan – look it up for yourself.

  151. mh

    Hi JC, all the best to you and yours this Easter.

  152. We started to compare what content was being shared across the Future Now Australia Page, and where. We began to suspect that others on the far-right, perhaps living in Perth, were Admins on this Page. We also noted that since June 2018, “Henni Mostert” had been regularly sharing content from the Senator Fraser Anning Facebook Page into a number of far-right Facebook groups such as:

    Australians vs Neoliberal & Right Wing Politics Huh!?

    Palmy Army

    Australian Conservatives Party

    THE BOLT REPORT SUPPORTERS GROUP

    Fraser Anning and fascist Claudia Benitez (“Dia Beltran”) at St. Kilda. Claudia is a YouTuber who frequently interviews her neo-Nazi friends.

    Um…

    Defund the ABC was also viewed as “fascist”.

    Some of the sleuthing is good but these lefties and righties seem to think everyone is either them or the enemy.

    Emotive, 2D checkers thinking!
    As good as the dirt uncovered is, it is tainted by brazen left wing stupidity.

  153. mh

    JC,
    Notre Dame burnt down this week. Just in case you missed it.

  154. Guys (righties), don’t be like the Greens.

    Hell, you’re better off if your like libertarians, fighting over the smallest issue forver.,

    I think this Dia Beltran chick is too idealistic. Yes hun, politics is grubby.

    Become a professor or a judge.

    I can see why the ALA/Yellow Vests want brown people. Because the left like calling all and sundry, “NAYZEES”…

  155. Black Ball

    That sound you heard Knuckle Dragger is the reality bus smacking into Brisbane Lions.

  156. Armadillo

    “The White Rose Society”? Nice way for the Socialists to point out that “up is down” and “backwards is forwards”.

  157. Mother Lode

    I think I put the (sic) in the wrong place

    Fulli (sic)

  158. Tel

    “The White Rose Society”? Nice way for the Socialists to point out that “up is down” and “backwards is forwards”.

    Stealing the name of a respected group, in order to pretend to be somehow associated.

    http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/whiterose.html

  159. Knuckle Dragger

    Loving it, BB.

    As concurrent activity, I’m tormenting numerous FB watermelons bitching about the people donating to restore Notre Dame. Waaah, wah, the rich people. They can afford to give money to rebuild the Church but there’s so many starving people in Africa etc etc.

    They really hate being called communists, that the reason African dictators are billionaires is not their sound grasp of fiscal management, and that as they are peerless experts in what to do with other people’s money, give up an equivalent percentage of their own moolah to the same goal.

  160. sdfc

    What’s your pick for a rate cut JC?

  161. DrBeauGan

    Steve trickler
    #2991631, posted on April 18, 2019 at 9:14 pm
    This footage is gold. From Feb 2019.

    Erikson says little and just films the show.

    Nothing wins hearts and minds like a cool, rational argument.

  162. Armadillo

    I can see why the ALA/Yellow Vests want brown people

    I’m pretty sure she’s not “brown” (unless she’s been sun bathing).

    WTF is the obsession with skin colour? Or being “Native American”? Or Aboriginal? Or a “Person of Colour”?

    Last time I checked, they pretty much made up the majority of the worlds population. It’s hardly a “minority”. The issue is that, deep down, they all want to be white folk.

    Michael Jackson. I rest my case.

  163. Armadillo

    It’s not as if the white people have “ruled the world” forever. The Greeks had fair chunk of it. So did a heap of others in their own “Kingdoms”. Like the black and yellow people.

    It was our turn.

  164. Do these muppets realise there is also a lot of rich people in Africa and that Africa is slowly emerging fro poverty overall?

    From a US centre left research institute:

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/future-development/2019/03/28/poverty-in-africa-is-now-falling-but-not-fast-enough/

    Donatng money to charities and the UN will do what exactly?

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2261244

    Peter Bauer and the Failure of Foreign Aid

    Cato Journal, Vol. 29, No. 3, 2009

    12 Pages Posted: 7 May 2013
    Andrei Shleifer

    Harvard University – Department of Economics; National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER); European Corporate Governance Institute (ECGI)

    Date Written: September 6, 2009
    Abstract

    Peter Bauer was one of the greatest development economists in history. He was an advocate of property rights protection and free trade before these ideas became commonplace. He appreciated before others did the crucial roles of entrepreneurship and trade in development. He was also one of the earliest opponents of the overpopulation thesis, recognizing that the poor like the rich should have the right to choose the number of children they have, that many developing countries are underpopulated, and that population growth will anyhow slow down once they become richer. Bauer’s writings are remarkable for their deep humanity and commitment to the welfare of the people in the developing world, but without the fake sanctimony that characterizes much of the modern rhetoric.

    Keywords: issues with us foreign aid payments, American foreign aid budget, future of foreign aid, international development issues

  165. DrBeauGan

    WTF is the obsession with skin colour? Or being “Native American”? Or Aboriginal? Or a “Person of Colour”?

    It’s because us white folk have been oppressing them, ‘Dillo. Haven’t you been? Unless you go out and oppress a brown person or at least a woman every day, you’re not living the white dream.

  166. Nick

    As concurrent activity, I’m tormenting numerous FB watermelons bitching about the people donating to restore Notre Dame. Waaah, wah, the rich people. They can afford to give money to rebuild the Church but there’s so many starving people in Africa etc etc.

    Strangely, had Notre Dame been the temple of some African deity, Manufakka, the warthog spirit perhaps, Lefties would be beside themselves in calling for aid to be give .

  167. jupes

    Greg Sheridan on Bolta tonight talking about Christianity. He claimed that the Dead Sea Scrolls confirmed the New Testament.

    Bullshit. There is not one mention of Jesus in the DSS. Not one.

  168. Armadillo

    There were millions of those black people in India. And the yellow blokes in China and Japan. All making us subservient.

    We should have demanded our rights as a minority.

  169. Christianity is “very African”. Look at the desert fathers, St Augustine of Hippo, Dr of the church, flight of the holy family, the Ethiopian Church, the Copts and the current patriarchs.

    Modern day evangelical Christianity is very strong in Africa and there is a good argument for an African Pope of the Catholic Church.

  170. Armadillo

    Bullshit. There is not one mention of Jesus in the DSS. Not one.

    Have you read them Jupes? It’s highly likely Jesus wasn’t a white bloke either. Just a hunch.

    St George (revered in Persian theology) was a Somalian.

  171. Knuckle Dragger

    Not to take away from the inherent awesomeness that is the Collingwood Football Club, but by Christ the Brisbane Lions dropped their bundle in the last half.

    Jogging around, hands on knees and bitching at each other. And in front of their home crowd.

    Lazy sooks.

  172. Boambee John

    Modern day evangelical Christianity is very strong in Africa and there is a good argument for an African Pope of the Catholic Church.

    That would set the cat among the social justice pigeons!

    I suspect that the numerical troll would be particularly unhappy to see the “modern” liturgy being replaced by something more traditional.

  173. egg_

    deep down, they all want to be white folk.

    And “marry up” to whites, viz Adam Goodes, Marcia Langton, et al ingrates.

  174. jupes

    Have you read them Jupes?

    No my Hebrew is not up to scratch. I have seen some of them at the Israel Museum in Jerusalem though.

    Of course you don’t have to have read them to know what’s in (or not in) them Arma. I have also seen one of the four surviving original copies of the Magna Carta. Couldn’t read that either but I know what’s in it.

  175. Black Ball

    Fine work Dragger. Yes I recall my cousin saying that Gaddafi was one of the world’s great leaders. Just had to remind him of his opulent palaces and arming themselves with nuclear shit at the expense of his people. And also Lockerbie. His tune changed somewhat.

  176. Sinclair Davidson

    Ahhhhhh – the bowel cancer test kit.

    I thought I had posted about that here but it might have been on Facebook.

    After years and years of insisting I send them money, the federal government wanted me to send them some shit. “No thank you, I’ve voted already”.

    Anyway I joked about sending it to the ATO by “mistake”.

    More seriously – think of it as a tax refund. Don’t wait until you’re 50 if you are worried about bowel cancer. The Lions IIRC give away free kits for testing.

  177. egg_

    As concurrent activity, I’m tormenting numerous FB watermelons bitching about the people donating to restore Notre Dame.

    Is Their Dan Andrews still ringing the bell?

  178. jupes

    No my [language they were written in] is not up to scratch. I have seen some of them at the [country in the middle east] museum in [capital city of that country] though.

    Of course you don’t have to have read them to know what’s in (or not in) them Arma. I have also seen one of the four surviving original copies of the Magna Carta. Couldn’t read that either but I know what’s in it.

  179. Pedro the Ignorant

    I spent two of the most miserable months of my life in Jinja, Uganda on business back in the mid 80’s, not long after Idi Amin had looted the country and fled

    If I never set foot in that shithole continent ever again it will be too soon.

    The graft, corruption, appalling poverty on one side of the street and blatant rorting and theft by international NGOs and so-called “officials” on the other was unbelievable.

    The legacy of British colonial rule was the disintegrating and crumbling magnificent buildings, the reality of the newly independent nation was filth, starvation and corruption on an industrial scale.

    Let it sink in its own mire.

  180. jupes

    Reality in the form of Collingwood smash the Lions at the Gabba.

  181. Sinclair Davidson

    He claimed that the Dead Sea Scrolls confirmed the New Testament.

    FFS.

  182. Sinclair Davidson

    Jupes – did you see the umpires play ‘incorrect disposal’? I thought that wasn’t a rule anymore but then I realised it was played against a Victorian team playing interstate.

  183. Black Ball

    Angela Cox has very nice form

  184. jupes

    Jupes – did you see the umpires play ‘incorrect disposal’? I thought that wasn’t a rule anymore but then I realised it was played against a Victorian team playing interstate.

    Ease up Sinc. It must have been blatant if the (no doubt Victorian) umps paid it.

    Pies can’t complain too much. They ‘won’ the free-kick count.

  185. Armadillo

    Angela Cox has very nice form

    I’m too lazy to search. Linky please?

  186. mh

    Sinclair Davidson
    #2991675, posted on April 18, 2019 at 10:19 pm
    He claimed that the Dead Sea Scrolls confirmed the New Testament.

    FFS.

    That works with anything Greg Sheridan says.

    He claimed that ___

    FFS

  187. Armadillo

    I like Sinc’s header page for Easter. You can’t tell if Jesus is white, black, Asian or whatever.

    Nice touch.

  188. Mother Lode

    Stealing the name of a respected group, in order to pretend to be somehow associated.

    My exact response as well.

    A last tragic moment when Germany might have trod s different path. A choice for which millions paid.

    I think it important to remember these were not strange dehumanised blocks blindly jostling for historical dominance.

    If you read about the people and the terrible risks they took through passionate love of humanity you cannot help but be shamed.

    Unarmed they stood up to the very byword of brutality. For all our love of our fallen heroes, imagine being disarmed but driven by hope.

    Such beautiful people. If just a few more people had listened to their desperate cry…

  189. Sinclair Davidson

    It must have been blatant …

    Oh yes. But one of so many over the past few years that I’ve stopped shouting at the TV or at the football about it.

  190. mh

    I like Sinc’s header page for Easter. You can’t tell if Jesus is white, black, Asian or whatever.

    Reality check, ‘Dillo. It implies salvation through Christ. That is Hate!

  191. Caveman

    Greg Sheridan the dude that told us we can take it to the bank Trump wont be president and you think this organ grinder can tell you about the DSS….FFS.

  192. egg_

    As concurrent activity, I’m tormenting numerous FB watermelons bitching about the people donating to restore Notre Dame. Waaah, wah, the rich people. They can afford to give money to rebuild the Church but there’s so many starving people in Africa etc etc.

    Strangely, had Notre Dame been the temple of some African deity, Manufakka, the warthog spirit perhaps, Lefties would be beside themselves in calling for aid to be give .

    Blurty McWarthog as opposed to McChokey the Sea Turtle (/Craig Reucassel)?

  193. jupes

    BTW Bolta must have run out of mates.

    His whisky with a mate segment was with the awful Kimberley Kitching (it was a French whisky!). I didn’t last long enough to see if he would ask her a challenging question. I somehow doubt that he did.

  194. Armadillo

    For all I know, it could be a dude in a mask ready to dive off a cliff.

    Meh. It’s nice. I like it.

  195. Sinclair Davidson

    French whiskey?

    WTF?

    Like seriously?

  196. Black Ball

    Channel 7 news after footy Armadillo

  197. hzhousewife

    French whiskey?

    WTF?

    Like seriously?

    Well, it WAS Kimberley Kitching…..

  198. Steve trickler

    She’s great.

    I’ve yet to watch the film. Only the clips.



  199. Stimpson J. Cat

    How did the ikea assembly job go Stimpy?

    Absolutely brilliant.
    Only had one bag of screws left over.

  200. jupes

    French whiskey?

    WTF?

    Like seriously?

    He reckoned it was close to his favourite.

  201. Stimpson J. Cat

    It’s a test of moral courage..

    No it’s not.
    Atheism is still a belief you f$cking ding dong.

  202. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Plot : “Spud gets captured by the VC who demand big ransom/prisoner exchange.
    Over a relatively short period, the VC decrease their demands to almost zero.
    Meanwhile, south of the line, Spud’s unit are having trouble raising the 150 dong (24 cents) final ransom, and keep missing the rendevous times for prisoner exchange.”

    More like “We have the great anti Imperialist warrior “Numbers Bob.” Pay us one thousand imperialist Yankee dollars, or we give him back. Dong? Vietnamese dong? With the picture of that silly old bugger, Ho Chi Minh? We want real money, thank you.”

  203. Stimpson J. Cat

    On the contrary, it has been scientifically proven that religion reduces pain.

    Would you rather hallucinate Angels and Demons or Aliens and Commies?

    Think it through, children.

  204. JC

    mh
    #2991640, posted on April 18, 2019 at 9:27 pm

    JC,
    Notre Dame burnt down this week. Just in case you missed it.

    Sad. Not much to discuss with that calamity. It’s actually a total fucking disaster for France and Westerners.

  205. Stimpson J. Cat

    You could not have made more clear that you have no idea what you are talking about.
    Bowelscan – look it up for yourself.

    You know the results are sent to your My Health Record don’t you?
    Of course you do.

  206. JC

    Rate cut here or the US, SDFC?

    Here? Likely in the second half. I don’t see any rate cuts for the US this year. I think what’s more important though is RBA and Fed signaling. Both ratholes are talking easier monetary policy.

    I bought some Fortseque today and will bag more in the next few weeks. With Brazil pretty much out of the pic and our guys digging as much out as they can, there’s going to be a shortage of supply over the next few years. Mines take years to develop and there’s little to no capacity left.

    Fortesque is a shitty firm, but it’s highly leveraged to the iron ore price.

  207. Pedro the Ignorant

    Gawdalmighty.

    This came in the emails today.
    Time magazine Top 100 Influential People of 2019.

    I have heard of about ten of them, most are bipocs (new buzzword I learned this week, H/T Calli).

    I lead a sheltered life apparently.

  208. DrBeauGan

    How did the ikea assembly job go Stimpy?

    Absolutely brilliant.
    Only had one bag of screws left over.

    My praying to Dawkins must have done the trick, Stimpy.

    PS. Atheism isn’t a belief, ding dong. It’s an absence of one.

    I don’t believe in father Christmas either. I’m not certain he doesn’t exist, but I’d need a few good reasons to be persuaded that he does.

  209. Pedro the Ignorant

    Link to Time Top 100 The List.

  210. Stimpson J. Cat

    I’m the only Bipoc on this site.
    It’s both a privilege and a burden.

  211. Pedro the Ignorant

    I blame Climate Change/Global warming for dud link.

    Mea Culpa.

  212. Stimpson J. Cat

    PS. Atheism isn’t a belief, ding dong. It’s an absence of one.

    You believe that Atheism isn’t a belief.
    Yes or no?

  213. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    99% of homeless people would rather a cigarette than their feet washed.
    When my ship comes in, I will be handing out smokes by the truck load to the homeless.

    It’s interesting you should say that.
    I’ve noticed lately an upsurge of folk scanning the ground for cigarette butts.

    I’ve a rellie on endless Newstart who has been known to do that. Prison record for fairly trivial financial offenses (given what others, not ill and desperate, get away with), mental illness, sad case. I buy him food fairly regularly. He gets food occasionally from charities (don’t buy me Weetbix, they’ve always got that, he tells me) and luckily he has now got a small public housing unit; for a long time he was homeless and sleeping rough in a cave. I’d funded previous accommodation in a flat, then backpackers, but he never stayed, always took off. He’s the one I visited regularly in prison. He’s been beaten up more a couple of times both in and out of prison.

    I do buy him $30 paks of tobacco to make his durries after I spotted in his wreck of a place the awful leavings of others being torn up for the little bit of left over tobacco. I try to encourage him to give smoking away given how it’s been priced beyond reach, but it’s hard when that’s one of the main comforts in his life; he didn’t much go for the pak of Nicorettes I provided. I also buy him a bottle or two of wine occasionally as well. Today I’ve reserved for him a nice Apple ipad only 2 years old now stripped of all Hairy’s data and details which I will give him soon too; Hairy has two other newer ones. Provided the TV and some kitchen stuff etc and have yet to get him a washing machine. None work where he is living.

    I have done this sort of thing to help others also in my ambit living in similar circumstances. All mentally impaired in some way or another. So little help is available for people who fall between the employment cracks and disability cracks, as I’ve said here more than once before. Typical for Morrison to forget about Newstart in his largesse. $250 a week including rent payments leaves very little to live on.

    Sorry about all the ‘I’ statements, but at least I’m not trying to wash his feet to prove my virtue. How insulting is that to poor people seeking a feed? Most will think that their feet smell or something. It would be very embarrassing to have someone want to do that to you; try it at your next Rotary convention and see how you go.

    Sinc, how about a new thread for Good Friday? I think it’s a bit insulting to run this tired old one over onto the saddest day of the Christian calendar.

  214. Arky

    I don’t believe in father Christmas either.

    ..
    Don’t be so sure:
    ..

    I do buy him $30 paks of tobacco to make his durries

  215. DrBeauGan

    You believe that Atheism isn’t a belief.
    Yes or no?

    It depends on what you think a belief is, Stimpy. If you think it is a matter of having faith in it, no. If you think it’s a tenable hypothesis, yes.

    I hope you can tell the difference, but I don’t have much faith in that hypothesis.

  216. Pedro the Ignorant

    You are a good person, Lizzie giving your down and out rellie a little pleasure in his life with the gift of an occasional pouch of tobacco.

    The health nazis would never approve of course, you are “feeding his addiction”.

    Onya, gal.

  217. I do buy him $30 paks of tobacco to make his durries

    Yes I noticed that. This must have been about a decade ago.

  218. JC

    Of course there’s a Santa.

  219. Knuckle Dragger

    Lizzie,

    Good work in relation to your rello. Small comforts are sometimes the most appreciated.

    The bad news is the thread will continue till Monday. Possibly ANZAC Day. May Day’s not impossible either.

  220. DrBeauGan

    Don’t be so sure:
    ..

    I do buy him $30 paks of tobacco to make his durries

    Wouldn’t Lizzie be a Mother Christmas?

    I do believe that human kindness is a fine thing and something to be honoured.

    I was told about age five that Father Christmas wasn’t real, and it was my parents. So I faced the problem of deciding which hypothesis was more credible; that an old man flew through the sky on a sleigh drawn by reindeer, dispensing presents, or that for one day in the year my parents were driven to unusual generosity. It was a tough call.

  221. Knuckle Dragger

    There better be a Santa, JC, or else last year was the weirdest Christmas ever.

  222. Stimpson J. Cat

    If you think it’s a tenable hypothesis, yes.

    Now can you definitively prove this hypothesis?
    Or is it untenable?
    What evidence leads you to have faith that this hypothesis is correct?

  223. Knuckle Dragger

    Neatly sidestepped, DBG.

  224. DrBeauGan

    After getting a $3,000 dividend from Rio today, Santa is looking more convincing to me too, JC.

  225. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    In case anyone’s thinking do I have any cognitive dissonance about living relatively wealthy but having a range of poor relatives and other acquaintance, yes I do.

    New Audi Q5S notwithstanding; yes I know it is nothing much, just the local mothers’ run-about.
    If that’s not good enough for some of youse here, as youse were complaining upthread, then there are the swank company limo’s befitting a man in his position that Hairy’s had over the years. I’ve managed to get behind the wheel of quite a few of those too. 🙂

  226. JC

    Doc

    There’s three to five years in iron ore supply tightness. Brazil is almost completely out of the picture. It’s potentially a huge trade I reckon.

  227. mh

    I’m turning in, but there is this for the tragics:

    Watch Live: Attorney General William Barr Holds Press Conference on Mueller Report Release

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/04/18/attorney-general-william-barr-mueller-report-release/

  228. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I do buy him $30 paks of tobacco to make his durries
    Yes I noticed that. This must have been about a decade ago.

    Nope. Just two weeks ago. He asked for $30, I thought they were around $35 last time I bought him some, and I only had $25 in cash going down to all of my loose change as well. He took the $25 and said he could buy a small pak of tobacco for that. From the local tobacconist in Surrey Hills.

  229. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I’m turning in

    Me too. Easter. So it begins …

  230. DrBeauGan

    Now can you definitively prove this hypothesis?
    Or is it untenable?
    What evidence leads you to have faith that this hypothesis is correct?

    You don’t prove hypotheses, Stimpy. You accumulate evidence and their credibility approaches 1 or 0. It never gets there in most cases, although it can. The hypothesis that a coin toss can never give a heads is falsified completely when one turns up. Most hypotheses aren’t so dogmatic.

    The hypothesis that I am short on simple faith has been confirmed many times and has never been falsified to my knowledge. You may pity me for this if you wish. I don’t. I’m happy with this state of affairs.

  231. Pedro the Ignorant

    I can’t remember the last time I saw an Audi of any description in my neck of the woods.

    All Toyota HiLux, Landcruisers, Patrols, the occasional flash Land Rover, and the old girls’ Hyundai town cars outside the IGA shop and CWA fortress.

    We live in a wide brown land.

  232. DrBeauGan

    Doc

    There’s three to five years in iron ore supply tightness. Brazil is almost completely out of the picture. It’s potentially a huge trade I reckon.

    We have to hope the government doesn’t get involved, JC. They could fuck anything up.

  233. Knuckle Dragger

    Audis react badly to dirt, Pedro.

    It turns them into VN Commodores.

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