Monday Forum: April 15, 2019

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  1. Pedro the Ignorant

    The midnight clock has ticked over, Good Friday is here.

    Blessings to all believers and best wishes to the others.

    A time for reflection and deep thoughts.

    ‘Nite Cats

  2. Knuckle Dragger

    11 pages!

    Dear God and Darth Vader,

    Please keep thine thread open and alive until cartoon time. At least.

  3. a small pak of tobacco for that

    Yeah, very small and taxed at over 1000 AUD per kilogram.

    Rotten bloody greedy government.

  4. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Hairy still likes his Audis. Until recently we had two of them, neither of them company vehicles. But he is looking lately at a retirement Mercedes under pressure from me. Fashionable elegance there. He has yet to be convinced. We’ll keep the Q5; it is an excellent workhorse. Except watch that press-button auto closing on the rear lift up hatch – I nearly closed it on a stray child’s head the other day, kid ducked in to retrieve something after I had pressed the button and the darn thing didn’t stop, I had to yank the kid out quickly, blubbering that his head was bonked. You’re lucky it wasn’t decapitated I told him. Now there’s a new word which we then had to discuss; he ended up being quite fascinated by the various historical modalities of this.

  5. Gab

    Modern day evangelical Christianity is very strong in Africa and there is a good argument for an African Pope of the Catholic Church.

    There’s another good argument. He’s called Cdl Robert Sarah.

  6. Colonel Crispin Berka

    A definite finding of Russian attempts to interfere,
    a definite finding of no collusion,
    no finding made regarding obstruction,
    and no special privilege of secrecy claimed by POTUS over the Mueller report.

    https://media.breitbart.com/media/2019/04/realDonaldTrumpGOT22-640×480.jpg

  7. John Constantine

    Istanbul elects an anti-erdogan mayor.

    Turkey is a heavily centralized, unitary state that is tightly controlled by the AKP-led national government in Ankara. The national government can make life difficult for opposition-led local governments in Ankara or Istanbul by withholding funding for critical programs and infrastructure. Naturally, such a standoff would provoke anger among the government’s many domestic detractors and deepen the country’s polarization to an even greater degree, but the AKP’s control over Turkey’s media networks will help it maintain control over the narrative (indeed, some pro-government commentators have declared Imamoglu’s victory to be “a coup at the ballot box” and “illegitimate”). What’s more, the AKP could force through parliamentary decisions and executive decrees that would give Erdogan even more power at the expense of municipal governments. In the end, Turkey’s opposition has scored a major victory for now, but the empire is all too ready to strike back.

    Caliph erdogan demands revenge.

  8. DrBeauGan

    Thanks for both of those zyco. Wonderful. I only sampled them and will come back to both later.

    Happy Easter to anyone still awake. May all your hot cross buns be hot and cross, and your eggs full of chocolate. And to the true believers, and the agnostics, I hope you are blessed with as much happiness as you can bear.

  9. feelthebern

    I’m still not sure how they knew I had fought in Vietnam, as I had worked hard to keep it quiet.

    Still laughing at that one.

  10. feelthebern

    and no special privilege of secrecy claimed by POTUS over the Mueller report.

    It’s been quite an amazing couple of hours channel surfing.

  11. DrBeauGan

    Measure for Measure
    Act III, Scene 1
    CLAUDIO
    Ay, but to die, and go we know not where;
    To lie in cold obstruction and to rot;
    This sensible warm motion to become
    A kneaded clod; and the delighted spirit
    To bathe in fiery floods, or to reside
    In thrilling region of thick-ribbed ice;
    To be imprison’d in the viewless winds,
    And blown with restless violence round about
    The pendent world; or to be worse than worst
    Of those that lawless and incertain thought
    Imagine howling: ’tis too horrible!
    The weariest and most loathed worldly life
    That age, ache, penury and imprisonment
    Can lay on nature is a paradise
    To what we fear of death.

    I offer this to those nonatheists who need cheering up.

  12. DrBeauGan

    Most of them by the look of things.

  13. bespoke

    Safe weekend all I’m heading out bush.

  14. DrBeauGan

    Take care, bespoke. And have fun.

  15. bespoke

    Will do DrB, finished packing car. Cheers!

  16. Tom

    Every single British cartoonist loathes Brexit and Nigel Farage. Dave Brown (Independent, London).

  17. 2dogs

    Atheism is a belief.

    Agnosticism is the absence of one.

  18. Tom

    … just as every establishment cartoonist in America loathes Trump. Jim Morin (Miami Herald).

  19. Tom

    Will O’Toole (New York freelance sports cartoonist).

  20. Baldrick

    Thanks for the bumper crop this morning Tom. Lisa Benson wins for connecting TDS and Easter into one toon.

  21. Stimpson J. Cat

    Bernie Sanders
    @SenSanders

    Apr 17
    In my view, it is long past time that we in the United States end the federal prohibition on marijuana. Now is the time to decriminalize marijuana and expunge criminal records associated with the drug.

  22. RobK

    Yes, Benson was good. Thanks Tom.

  23. Stimpson J. Cat

    Happy Easter to anyone still awake. May all your hot cross buns be hot and cross, and your eggs full of chocolate. And to the true believers, and the agnostics, I hope you are blessed with as much happiness as you can bear.

    See, Atheists can be nice occasionally.
    Isn’t this a lovely sentiment.
    Well done.

  24. One Surplus doesn’t make a Spring

    Easter forescast: 99,8% chance of chocolate

  25. One Surplus doesn’t make a Spring

    Thank you Tom

  26. Leigh Lowe

    Thanks Tom.
    Ramirez can of fizzy drink for me.

  27. Leigh Lowe

    OMG!
    Powerline just pointed out that Ramirez’s can of Fantasy has a plastic straw!

  28. Entropy

    Love how Zanetti has started putting the magic pudding in his cartoons including barnacle bill.

  29. Black Ball

    Have a great Easter weekend to all who contribute here. This is the place for unvarnished news and information. I certainly learn more everyday reading through your posts. Thank you.

  30. calli

    Notafan has made plenty of cheap shots at me, Calli. And she’s a Christian and has no excuse. You’ve taken a few, too. But you are right. It was beneath me, and I apologise to her for it

    I’m curious about these cheap shots I’ve taken at you, DrBeau. I can’t recall any conversation where I’ve consciously taken any.* You may be confusing me with someone else.

    My cheapest shots are, of course, always reserved for Lefties.

    * unless it was those old photos of Bogey smoking a cheroot when you were doing your Hemmingway thing in Sri Lanka

    That old moral high ground is a shaky, swampy type of place. And don’t get me started on high horses.

  31. rickw

    Certainly has that old thread smell!

  32. Notafan

    I don’t believe I’ve taken ‘cheap shots’

    I’ve said what I thought about you opinions, including the extremely stupid stuff like claiming, that, if the opportunity arose, I would burn you at the stake, calling me Gillian Triggs because I thought Galileo was treated relatively humanely, in the context of the times etc.

    I don’t claim to be perfect, not by a long shot.

    Anyhow it’s Good Friday.

  33. Notafan

    I went to the Ash Wednesday service for the first time in too long last night.

    Very uplifting, very Catholic, Christ celebrating Passover with his companions, in full knowledge of what was to come.

    One hour and 40 minutes flew by.

    I am very fortunate in my current Parish.

  34. stackja

    Toddler pulled from caravan by pack of dingoes on Fraser Island
    Elise Williams, The Courier-Mail
    11 minutes ago
    Subscriber only

    A TODDLER has been taken from a campervan by a pack of dingoes on Fraser Island early on Friday morning.

    The 14-month-old boy was inside a van on Eurong Rd, Eurong when it’s believed at least two dingoes entered while his parents were sleeping.

    The parents woke to the noise of the toddler being pulled from the van just before 12.30am.

    It’s unclear how the toddler was freed from the dingoes, however it’s believed the wild dogs had him held by the head.

    The RACQ LifeFlight helicopter flew the boy, who suffered cuts and puncture wounds to the head and neck, to Hervey Bay Hospital.

    The boy is believed to be in a stable condition.

    The incident comes only months after a six-year-old boy was mauled by dogs on the island.

    In January, Michael Schipanski was running up a hill with his mum after a swim when he was attacked.

    “The pack of dingoes saw him and went straight into the chase-and-kill instinct. They wanted blood,” the boy’s father Mark told The Courier-Mail.

    Last July, a dingo was captured and euthanised after two separate attacks on a woman and child on Fraser Island.

    Camping areas at Wongai, One Tree Rocks and Cornwells were closed by park rangers at the time for more than three months to reduce the risk of dingo and human interactions.

    In 2001, a child was killed and his brother mauled by dingoes on Fraser Island, the only recorded fatal dingo attack since the 1980 disappearance of baby Azaria Chamberlain at Ayers Rock.

    Fraser Island dingoes are part of the island ecology, and are protected by law. The Dingo Conservation and Risk Management Strategy for Fraser Island (2013) (PDF, 7.3M) uses dingo-deterrent fencing, enforcement (fines) and education campaigns to protect people and to help the dingoes retain a natural way of life.Aug 20, 2014
    About Fraser Island dingoes (Department of National Parks, Sport and …
    https://www.npsr.qld.gov.au/parks/fraser/fraser-island-dingoes.html

  35. rickw

    The legacy of British colonial rule was the disintegrating and crumbling magnificent buildings, the reality of the newly independent nation was filth, starvation and corruption on an industrial scale.

    The only way after British Colonial Rule is down. They didn’t know what they had until it was gone.

  36. Tom

    Certainly has that old thread smell!

    Yes, indeed — in a good way. It’s like a beautiful old Scottish tweed sports jacket with leather elbow patches.

    From now on, I think the Doomlord isn’t even trying if he lets any open fred disappear with fewer than 3000 comments.

    The olden days are long gone — where the ancient software would start to groan if any fred had accumulated more than a thousand comments. Thankfully, the Cat has been brought into the modern world.

    The only thing that can kill the Cat now is politics. Vote carefully.

  37. Bruce of Newcastle

    Every single British cartoonist loathes Brexit and Nigel Farage. Dave Brown (Independent, London).

    Brownie’s going really hate this story then:

    Brexit Party Leapfrogs Labour, Tories to No.1 Spot In Shock European Election Poll

    If those numbers translated to the Commons that nice Mr Nigel Farage would be the next Prime Minister of Britain.

    Wouldn’t that be fun?

  38. Notafan

    Holy Thursday nor Ash Wednesday.

  39. Twostix

    The legacy of British colonial rule was the disintegrating and crumbling magnificent buildings, the reality of the newly independent nation was filth, starvation and corruption on an industrial scale.

    The only way after British Colonial Rule is down. They didn’t know what they had until it was gone.

    The Britons cheered when the Romans left.

    Money was turned into decoration rather than used as a form of economic exchange.

    Town life, too, dwindled fairly quickly in Britain, and by 450 it was essentially dead in Britain. The towns had been abandoned, the public buildings had been left to fall down and were no longer serving the functions they once had, and only a few squatters remained within any Roman town. Squatters often took up residence in odd places—the bottom of baths very often—and that indicates no one was filling up the baths anymore, and they had simply ceased to serve the function they once had.

    It only took 700 years to even begin to figure their shit out.

    What will happen to us all when America dwindles.

  40. Eyrie

    Fraser Island is vastly over rated. Restart sand mining, shoot the dingos.
    While we are at it restart a crocodile industry in the north.

  41. calli

    rickw
    #2991802, posted on April 19, 2019 at 6:59 am
    Certainly has that old thread smell!

    😀

    A Good Friday he said/she said. Page 10 is always a bit dodgy with it’s “there be dragons” at the page edges.

  42. calli

    its

    Out damned apostraphe!

  43. calli

    apostrophe

    I’ll give up now.

  44. Farmer Gez

    ABC News mentions Good Friday.
    Some tosser tells us that people have lost their faith in mainstream established churches in the wake of the royal commission into institutional child sex abuse.
    The dog vomits and the ABC licks it up.

  45. Some tosser tells us that people have lost their faith in mainstream established churches in the wake of the royal commission into institutional child sex abuse.

    This is just propaganda – as was the royal commission.

    Wilson was acquitted and you know who probably will be as well.

    Public schools were explicitly taken out of the terms of reference. The whole thing was a scam to smear Abbott to deflect attention from union corruption and a possible (at the time) TURC.

    Facts (data) don’t care about feelings. The safest institution for a child is the Catholic church.

  46. calli

    Some tosser tells us that people have lost their faith in mainstream established churches in the wake of the royal commission into institutional child sex abuse.

    The Beloved and I are leaving a bit early this year otherwise we won’t get a car spot (or a seat inside).

    So yeah, no.

  47. will

    calling me Gillian Triggs because I thought Galileo was treated relatively humanely, in the context of the times etc.

    He knew the Pope personally but wrote a book implying that the Pope was a simpleton. He was threatened with torture and put under house arrest. So yes he got off lightly. Someone else would have a far more sickening punishment, for heresy.

  48. C.L.

    Squatters often took up residence in odd places—the bottom of baths very often—and that indicates no one was filling up the baths anymore, and they had simply ceased to serve the function they once had.

    It wasn’t until the 21st century that the British rediscovered the value of a bath.

  49. Mark A

    C.L.
    #2991839, posted on April 19, 2019 at 8:25 am

    It wasn’t until the 21st century that the British rediscovered the value of a bath.

    Are you sure about that? Could be fake news.

  50. m

    Hope the Sharks ‘s win is a prediction of how Scomo will come from behind too.
    However, we have an economist trying to convince the Barry Battlers that Labor’s cost for climate change is piddling and will not damage to the economy . There is never a mention of Germany and Energiewende and the latest audit showing 500 billion euros were spent and emissions went up . Unfortunately Libs have allowed the existential danger to humanity nonsense to infiltrate and become entrenched and now near impossible to attack this thinking . It would be like arguing against Catholicism , where is Martin Luther to nail something to the door.

  51. stackja

    UPDATED: Man arrested entering St. Patrick’s cathedral with gasoline

    New York City, N.Y., Apr 17, 2019 / 08:55 pm (CNA).- A man is in custody after he attempted to bring containers of gasoline into St. Patrick’s Cathedral in New York City Wednesday night.

    The man was identified by NYPD as Marc Lamparello, a Ph.D. student at City University of New York. He has been arrested previously for criminal trespass and public drunkenness.

    Lamparello was apprehended by cathedral security around 8 p.m. and taken into police custody by officers with the NYPD Critical Response Command. He attempted to start a fire using a lighter, and police said he had a car nearby to escape the scene.

    According to the NYPD, Lamparello had four gallons of gasoline, two cans of lighter fluid, and two lighters with him when he attempted to enter the cathedral. He was prevented from entering by cathedral security, but was able to spill some of the gasoline on the floor as he was leaving.

    About 90 minutes before he attempted to enter the cathedral, Lamparello pulled up to the church in a minivan. He then wandered around for about an hour, before taking the gasoline, lighter fluid, and lighters out of his car. He tried to go into St. Patrick’s around 8 p.m. and was apprehended shortly thereafter.

  52. Gab

    The only thing that can kill the Cat now is politics. Vote carefully.

    In that case, Libs and Lab are both out.

  53. calli

    If this is the work of Get Up! drones, then The Dumb is very strong in them.

    Of course, any investigation can wait until after the election. It’s only “spoofing” after all.

  54. Look at this on wikileaks

    scientology-tax-advantage-advertisement-2008 dot pdf

    Disgraceful.

  55. struth

    Good Moaning.
    ‘Ello, ‘ello.

    I was just pissing by and thought I’d droop in.

    Happy Easter Cats.
    I see the greenies have copied the convoy…………………………………he he.
    I’d love to be a fly on the wall.

    People are saying they won’t be served.
    We weren’t allowed to camp in council showgrounds etc etc, once they found out who we were.

    I say to anyone on the right who may by on the route.
    Refuse to serve them, refuse to fuel their cars (they’re against fossil fuels anyway)
    effuse to serve them anywhere and everywhere.
    A taste of their own medicine please.
    We got help from volunteers and non gov caravan parks etc, they’ll get help, but don’t make it easy for them, they want to take us back to stone age, let them feel a bit of it.

    I also note that obviously Easter isn’t an important time for them to be with family or to remember and celebrate the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

    Their religion is the church of hypocrites and virtue signallers.
    Their god is in the mirror.

  56. Leigh Lowe

    I went to the Ash Wednesday service for the first time in too long last night.

    Have I been lapsed too long?
    I thought Ash Wednesday was at the start of Lent and yesterdy was Holy Tursdy.

  57. Rabid Koala

    I have just come back from an early Easter holiday and find out that while I was gone Anning has launched his own party and leftist and cucks are crying about it. I know who has my vote.

  58. struth

    The legacy of British colonial rule was the disintegrating and crumbling magnificent buildings, the reality of the newly independent nation was filth, starvation and corruption on an industrial scale.

    The only way after British Colonial Rule is down. They didn’t know what they had until it was gone.

    This is how future historians will write about Australia.

  59. However, we have an economist trying to convince the Barry Battlers that Labor’s cost for climate change is piddling and will not damage to the economy

    No, there is a left wing shill who ought to hand back their diploma. They learnt nothing and should have their fees refunded too.

  60. Leigh Lowe

    New York City, N.Y., Apr 17, 2019 / 08:55 pm (CNA).- A man is in custody after he attempted to bring containers of gasoline into St. Patrick’s Cathedral in New York City Wednesday night.

    Was it Holy Gasoline, or ordinary gasoline?

  61. struth

    Big oil must be sponsoring the convoy!!! (as apparently it was with us) he he…………………………

    The difference is they will not put a cent of their own money into it like we did, so a smart journo from the Sky news side might like to see how much getup and the outside world put into it.

  62. mh

    Meet the new thread
    Same as the old thread

  63. Mater

    Just had a pit stop at a roadside service centre. Place was a bloody zoo. Ladies toilet line snaked out the entrance while the que for the men’s didn’t exist. It’s great how we can stack’em and rack’em along a urinal. Male efficiency at its best!

    Ohhh how the women scowled as I made my way past them and went straight in. It did nothing to dissuade me from thinking that the push for unisex toilets is nothing more than a female conspiracy to remove what they see as a prime example of gender inequality and male privilege.
    😉

  64. feelthebern

    Glenn Greenwald does the reading & analysis of the Mueller report so other journos don’t.

    https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18/robert-mueller-did-not-merely-reject-the-trumprussia-conspiracy-theories-he-obliterated-them/

    Don’t expect this kind of analysis on the ABC anytime soon.

  65. Black Ball

    Struth do you reckon Brown might want another crack on those comfortable red benches in the Senate? Wasn’t the Franklin River what put him in the national spotlight?

  66. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Just had a pit stop at a roadside service centre. Place was a bloody zoo. Ladies toilet line snaked out the entrance while the que for the men’s didn’t exist

    Mmmmmm, I’ve stood guard outside the men’s more then once, while the Memsahib “dived in.” Never had any bloke object, in fact I’ve had a few follow the example, but, yes, you do get some foul looks from the line “outside the ladies.”

  67. feelthebern

    Key two paragraphs from the Greenwald article.

    In sum, Democrats and their supporters had the exact prosecutor they all agreed was the embodiment of competence and integrity in Robert Mueller. He assembled a team of prosecutors and investigators that countless media accounts heralded as the most aggressive and adept in the nation. They had subpoena power, the vast surveillance apparatus of the U.S. government at their disposal, a demonstrated willingness to imprison anyone who lied to them, and unlimited time and resources to dig up everything they could.

    The result of all of that was that not a single American – whether with the Trump campaign or otherwise – was charged or indicted on the core question of whether there was any conspiracy or coordination with Russia over the election. No Americans were charged or even accused of being controlled by or working at the behest of the Russian government. None of the key White House aides at the center of the controversy who testified for hours and hours – including Donald Trump, Jr. or Jared Kushner – were charged with any crimes of any kind, not even perjury, obstruction of justice or lying to Congress.

  68. feelthebern

    monty, get back in here & talk Mueller.
    There’s some funny stuff in it about Jared Kushner.
    Say what you want about Kushner, but he seems to have the intellect of Khan Noonien Singh.
    But just like Khan, he seems to be inexperienced.

  69. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Out with the old…

  70. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    It’s great how we can stack’em and rack’em along a urinal. Male efficiency at its best!

    In one ‘unisex’ toilet (no urinals) he was forced once to share, Hairy was amazed and appalled at how long women took to take their turn in the cubicle. It’s just that we have so much pulling down and pulling up to do, as well as other lady things like maybe tampons, I tell him. I add that it is worse in a shopping centre first thing in the morning, when all the girls decide that they finally have time to take that dump*. We are so rushed organizing families into work and school until then.

    *apologies for these rude secrets of familial life, and on Good Friday too.
    It’s all these Easter travelers’ tales wot did it to me.
    We intend to visit a few friends locally and then stay home for Easter.

  71. Just got a spam call/wrong number.

    Look at this nonsense Telstra pumped out years ago.

    https://www.smh.com.au/technology/probe-into-net-phone-directory-for-stalkers-20101223-1960y.html

    Ah yeah, it it was those stalkers using these services. Not anyone sick of robo calls or %$#*ing solar panel scams.

  72. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    *apologies for these rude secrets of familial life, and on Good Friday too.

    Too much secret women’s business, Lizzie B.

  73. Tel

    The man was identified by NYPD as Marc Lamparello, a Ph.D. student at City University of New York. He has been arrested previously for criminal trespass and public drunkenness.

    Apparently he studied, and taught, Philosophy.

    I’m presuming someone finally explained to him what a non-subject that is … and he went on the rampage. Would have been worse if he was an Economist.

  74. Dr Faustus

    Big oil must be sponsoring the convoy!!! (as apparently it was with us)…

    No, no, no. Big Oil is too preoccupied with secretly assassinating inventors who have developed a super-secret process to make fuel out of water.

    Just like Big Wine did this day, all those years ago.

  75. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    they want to take us back to stone age, let them feel a bit of it.

    Their god is in the mirror.

    Two very good one-liners from Struth.

    Who knows what he is talking about in both cases.

  76. It would be great Tel if economics was not an academic subject. In return I’d like people to stop believing in free shit, like MMT or a minimum wage creating prosperity.

    It is more like a fundamental enlightenment era discipline fighting against superstition.

    As for engineering, it is for nerds that want to pretend they have a tool & die trade.

  77. Rabid Koala

    Say what you want about Kushner, but he seems to have the intellect of Khan Noonien Singh

    The new book of Kushner reveals he is merely a puppet for his criminal father. The Kushners were big supporters of the Clintons and appear to be the ones undermining Trump and convincing him to betray the base that elected him.

  78. Nelson Kidd-Players

    …and in with the new!

    Thanks, o Doomlord.

  79. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Unfortunately Libs have allowed the existential danger to humanity nonsense to infiltrate and become entrenched and now near impossible to attack this thinking . It would be like arguing against Catholicism , where is Martin Luther to nail something to the door.

    Eventually there will be blowback at over-reach, m, there always is. The world has sat tight through all sorts of lunacies in history and survived. It may not be in our lifetimes but the climate cult will eventually self-destruct. A win for the Libs and a conservative Senate might indicate some groundswell against it.

    But not much.

  80. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Who knows what he is talking about in both cases.

    ooops. The perils of grammatical ambiguity. My bad. That is a statement, not a question.

  81. Herodotus

    The BBC’s Inquiry program this week did a number on Fear.
    Fear, they said, is one of humanity’s most powerful mechanisms, and can be prompted by many things.
    Politicians, they said, can make use of fear for the purposes of controlling or directing the populace.
    The example given was, of course, Trump and his promotion of fear of illegal immigrants.

    It was notable, however, that the promotion of fear of climate change didn’t get a mention!

  82. struth

    Struth do you reckon Brown might want another crack on those comfortable red benches in the Senate? Wasn’t the Franklin River what put him in the national spotlight?

    Nah, just a typical old poof who can’t stand being out of the spotlight.

    At least Priscilla had the environmental awareness to all go in one bus.

    Was I being to abstract, Lizzie?

  83. Herodotus

    Haha! Yes BoN, Farage as PM would be quite a show.

  84. mh

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    17m
    Anything the Russians did concerning the 2016 Election was done while Obama was President. He was told about it and did nothing! Most importantly, the vote was not affected.

  85. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Too much secret women’s business, Lizzie B.

    It behoves the Cat to have an occasional redress of the gender imbalance around here, Zulu.
    I did not initiate this conversation; I merely joined in it offering my expertise, sitting as I do on gender imbalance at all times. Part of life, get used to it. 🙂

  86. Tom

    In that case, Libs and Lab are both out.

    Gab, the situation is so serious I’ve decided my best strategy — since I am in Australia’s most marginal electorate, Corangamite — is to bite my tongue and vote for the sitting member, Sarah Henderson — an ex-ABC leftard zombie and one of the main Lieboral idiots who gave us the Trumble disaster.

    I predict it will be a knife-edge election, especially in the marginals. If we do what we want to do and give our first preferences to non-leftwing splinter groups in the lower house, the Liars with their Greenfilth preferences will win.

    In the Senate, I will vote for One Nation — the only protest party with enough profile to pick up a seat in the communist heartland of Victoriastan. The strategy there is defensive — to elect a Senate that will block whatever the Liars or the Lieborals propose.

    I don’t like or support most of what Hanson does and I can’t stand Henderson, but the alternatives are worse.

  87. RobK

    sitting as I do on gender imbalance at all times
    Hence the lines at the bog.

  88. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Was I being to abstract, Lizzie?

    Not at all. Very observationally and experientially acute and also quite usefully metaphoric.
    I should have just said you done good, Struth. It was self-evident anyway. 🙂

  89. C.L.

    In The Australian, Cameron Stewart is utterly bizarre as always:

    Trump’s wound to heal quickly
    In the end, Robert Mueller’s full report has left Donald Trump with a black eye. His fate now rests with jobs, the economy and immigration.

  90. Mater

    It behoves the Cat to have an occasional redress of the gender imbalance around here, Zulu.

    Lizzie,
    I, for one, appreciated it. I never realised that ‘squeezing the lemon’ was such a technical operation.
    I come away both more informed and with a much greater appreciation (perhaps even a smidgen of sympathy). 😉

  91. Stimpson J. Cat

    Women love taking cheap shots.
    Go to any bar in any country in the world on a Saturday night and tell me I’m wrong.
    😁

  92. Stimpson J. Cat

    Women also usually fail to recollect taking these cheap shots the next day, if ever.

  93. Tel

    As for engineering, it is for nerds that want to pretend they have a tool & die trade.

    It’s always better for engineers to start out with tools and work towards the theory. As for a real trade … those no longer have anything to do with tools and largely consist of stamp collecting a sufficiently large array of permits to be allowed to work at all.

  94. So, any big reports been released lately?

  95. Ellie

    Hi, Tom.
    Thank you for the toons.
    Do you ever sleep in? You’re allowed to. Maybe you’re an early riser … or a night owl.
    Either way, love your work.
    An Easter ‘Muah’ for you from moi!
    😊

  96. Rabid Koala

    In the Senate, I will vote for One Nation — the only protest party with enough profile to pick up a seat in the communist heartland of Victoriastan. 

    If Anning puts up a candidate in the Victoria Senate pick him first. His preferences will flow to ON but there is always the chance he gets in.

    We need to support the most extreme right candidates to drag the major parties back to the centre.

  97. stackja

    MSM have stories of ‘famous’ female ‘stars’ been carried out of bars. ‘Women’s Lib’!

  98. C.L.

    Two stand-out examples of just how dumb contemporary journalists are …

    1. A Priest Saved ‘The Body of Christ’ From Notre Dame, and NY Times Thought He Meant a Statue.

    2. A tag-team of journalists – NYT’s Maggie Haberman and the NY Post’s Nikki Schwab – gave us this:

    Maggie Haberman✔@maggieNYT

    Does…anyone at that White House understand the significance of that song?

    Nikki Schwab✔@NikkiSchwab

    “Edelweiss” was being played as we walked into the @WhiteHouse

    Haberman believed the Rodgers and Hammerstein classic for Sound of Music is a Nazi anthem and that the von Trapps were disciples of Adolf Hitler.

    Seriously.

  99. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Tom, I intend to vote in Wentworth along similar lines to the ones you outline above. Holding my nose in many respect. Sharma just has to win this clearly this time. So Sharma gets my number one in the Reps and compulsory preferences to other right of centre parties, if I can find any. Otherwise preferences to lunatics who don’t matter, Greens always last, but maybe Kerryn Phelps last this time as I can’t stand her. Senate vote is Aust Cons still with full preferences selected.

    Actually, Hairy and I walked by Dave Sharma and Louise Payne yesterday at Double Bay shopping precinct. I didn’t notice but Hairy did. You should have told me, I said. I’d have raced up and collared him about his stupid statement that as an ex-diplomat he’d be useful talking Trump round on climate change. You’d be better off letting Trump give you his considered advice about climatic matters, I wanted to roar at him. Perhaps that’s why Hairy calmly walked on by; he hates a public scene.

    Sometimes I am less ladylike than I orta be. 🙂

  100. RobK

    So, any big reports been released lately?
    Long easter line-ups at public bogs.

  101. C.L.

    John Hinderacker drops an ObviousBomb:

    One of the Democrats’ basic problems is that ‘attempting’ to obstruct the investigation doesn’t make a lot of sense. If Trump had really wanted to obstruct the investigation, he could simply have terminated it. And Mueller acknowledges that the administration fully cooperated with the investigation in every way. So the ‘attempts to obstruct’ come down to Trump expressing outrage at the fact that a baseless, partisan investigation was hampering his administration. Arguably Trump should have brought the Mueller farce to an end, but he didn’t.

  102. stackja

    Usual suspect saying something. About DT? I can’t be bothered to read. Scrolled on by.

  103. lotocoti

    So, any big reports been released lately?

    There might’ve been something about “the President of the United States having conspired with a hostile foreign government to install him as their puppet” but I could be wrong.

  104. mh

    Monty, do you believe Mueller has left a pathway to impeachment?

  105. There might’ve been something about “the President of the United States having conspired with a hostile foreign government to install him as their puppet” but I could be wrong.

    Wow. Huge if true.

  106. John Constantine

    Individual tree worship.

    Asking for Cat input, but my impression is that individual tree worship has strong roots in European pagan tradition, with strong links to Aryan cultures.

    Linking tree worship and female fertility goes back in European culture to the ancient greeks and Dryads.

    So when European leftist activists take charge of Australian Aboriginal protests against safety works on the death trap western highway, aren’t the Pagan Aryan left imposing their European Pagan Aryan individual tree worship culture upon Australian Aboriginals?.

    Like, their left are literally Nazis?.

    Proclaiming that a forty thousand year old culture couldn’t figure out how to use rock shelters in the Grampians for pregnant women and newborns instead of hollow trees?

  107. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    So, any big reports been released lately?

    Insouciance arrives late and unprepared to fight.

  108. Entropy

    Maggie Haberman✔@maggieNYT

    Does…anyone at that White House understand the significance of that song?

    Nikki Schwab✔@NikkiSchwab

    “Edelweiss” was being played as we walked into the @WhiteHouse

    Haberman believed the Rodgers and Hammerstein classic for Sound of Music is a Nazi anthem and that the von Trapps were disciples of Adolf Hitler.

    What an idiot.
    Amusing story: my kids are quite active in dance/musicals at their Lutheran school.
    The music master inc quipped they would never do Sound of Music.
    Mrs Entropy wondered if it was too big a cast. I explained it might more likely be a bit problematic for the large ethnic German Lutheran population in the school. All those nazis and wonderful catholic nuns.

  109. Monty, do you believe Mueller has left a pathway to impeachment?

    Is the Pope a Catholic?*

    * CL banned from answering that one.

  110. Anthony

    I’ve been working my way through this Mueller nonsense but I can’t find anything anywhere that even suggests POTUS could possibly maybe guilty of anything, apart from the crime of not being Hillarious.

  111. Entropy

    Anthony
    #2991938, posted on April 19, 2019 at 10:22 am
    I’ve been working my way through this Mueller nonsense but I can’t find anything anywhere that even suggests POTUS could possibly maybe guilty of anything, apart from the crime of not being Hillarious

    Trump’s greatest sin is the destruction of the Bush/Clinton bimonarchy beloved by the political class. Like zombies though, it is uncertain the next generation will not rise again to reclaim the throne.

  112. PAY UP MONTY

    BASK IN MY MAGNIFICENT CORRECTNESS

    I WON

    YOU LOST

    NO INDICTMENTS

  113. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    John Constantine, tree worship probably antedates Indo-European belief systems. Tree-like monoliths have been found in hunter-gatherer ritual areas that aggregated people for worship in settlements long before settled dwellings were common. Trees and stones were vital parts of nature, and of the production of shelter. Always worshiped and sacred. The Indo-European World Tree and the Jupiter (Dyus Pitar, father god) Poles, the Maypoles of European traditions, merely demonstrate the continuance of these very ancient beliefs about trees (growing things) that were probably brought into aboriginal Australia with the first human migrations here. Not surprising then that in the primitive human mind childbirth was also somehow related to the sacredness of trees. Trees and tall stones are also symbolic of male prowess that was seen as somehow required for men to ‘spiritually’ impregnate women, the start of religious thought in human cognition, in my opinion. Also associated with the pre-IE word of ‘tor’, for bulls (Taurus, the animals worshiped in the cave cathedral of Lasceaux), which we see lingering in various forms of Indo-European bull worship (Minos, Mithras etc), and in the allocation of the term ‘tor’ to mountain peaks where gods lurk.

  114. OldOzzie

    Good Friday

    have just watched with my wife , recorded from ABC, and on ABC iView on link below – (we were in Jerusalem for Passover in 2011 and walked the way of the Cross)

    Jesus: Countdown To Calvary

    Hugh Bonneville (Downton Abbey – studied Theology at Cambridge University) reveals how a perfect storm of political intrigue, power struggles and clashing religious passions combined, in a single week, to cause the event that changed the world: the killing of Jesus.

    Excellent – was impressed by the Holyland Model of Jerusalem

    which we missed, unfortunately when in Jerusalem

    The Holyland Model of Jerusalem is a 1:50 scale-model of the city of Jerusalem in the late Second Temple Period. The model was moved from its original location at the Holyland Hotel in Bayit VeGan, Jerusalem, to a new site at the Israel Museum in June 2006

    Am going to watch my favorite version of Jesus Christ Superstar Film (2000): with Rik Mayall

    then listen to words of the Original Recording which reinforce the Hugh Bonneville Documentary Jesus: Countdown To Calvary above.

    Jesus Christ Superstar (1970 Original London Concept Recording) [Full Album]

    I purchased the Original Album in 1970, and as a Catholic could not understand the Church’s objection in those days. as I found the words of the songs excellent

  115. NO INDICTMENTS

    What’s that Dot, I can’t hear you over the sound of rocks being split with ball peen hammers from the yard of the federal penitentiary where Manafort and Flynn are being held.

  116. Empire 5:5

    Sources tell Frank Report that Karen Unterreiner has turned against Keith Raniere and will likely be called as a witness for the prosecution in case of the US v. Raniere Et Al (Clare Bronfman and Kathy Russell are currently his co-defendants in the case).

    With Nancy and Lauren Salzman and Allison Mack becoming witnesses for the prosecution, with numerous DOS slaves and other former members of Nxivm – a cast of Jane Does – preparing to testify against their former leader, it seems appropriate to mention that Karen Unterreiner is likely to be one of the star witnesses.

    https://artvoice.com/2019/04/16/sources-karen-unterreiner-is-witness-for-the-prosecution/

    US Attorney Richard Donoghue asked a federal judge last month for permission to present a mountain of new evidence in the NXIVM sex-cult trial – including evidence of an “illegal scheme to exceed contribution limits to a presidential primary campaign,” in the “hopes of obtaining political influence to advance their own agenda,” according to a March court filing.

    “At the suggestion of a political operative, who has since pleaded guilty to an unrelated New York state bribery charge also involving campaign contributions, the contributions were “bundled” and presented to the candidate at a fundraising event attended by conspirators,” the filing continues.

    And whose “presidential primary campaign” did the group allegedly attempt to buy influence with?

    None other than Hillary Rodham Clinton, according to former NXIVM publicist-turned-whistleblower Frank Parlato, who told Big League Politics “I was there, and I knew that the contributions were made by more than a dozen NXIVM members to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.”

    Imagine being a presidential candidate owned by criminal deviants.

  117. rocks being split with ball peen hammers

    Custer at the Alamo rides again!

  118. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Sorry, bull worship stuff not directly related to pre IE tree lore and its hunter-gatherer origins; just me off on a trope.

  119. Ellie:
    Is your Gravatar telling us something?
    If so, good luck.
    🙂

  120. lotocoti

    I’ve been working my way through this Mueller nonsense but I can’t find anything anywhere that even suggests POTUS could possibly maybe guilty of anything, apart from the crime of not being Hillarious

    Mueller had to find nothing.
    Trump has been holding Mrs Mueller hostage in the Whitehouse basement for the past two years.
    It’s just another one of his monstrous crimes.

  121. feelthebern

    Glen Greenwald:
    Trump broke the brain of the media.

  122. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Senate vote is Aust Cons still with full preferences selected.

    Heard the Western Australian candidate, speaking, recently. He was able to elucidate three points that differentiates Aust Conservatives from the Liberals, pointed out that Australian Conservatives are the only party, aside from One Nation, pledging a fifty percent cut in immigration, and pointed out that Australian Conservatives has the third largest number of members after the two main parties – more then the Greens, in fact.

  123. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Jerusalem at Easter would be an amazing place to experience.
    It’s interesting enough just in an ordinary time of year.
    The belief systems of three major world religions all combine in this one city.

  124. That NXVIM stuff looks weird but I’m not sure at what level those women were coerced. Sure, underage girls were by definition coerced. “Supply nude pics and brand yourself, then lay on your back…” That is coercion?

    By definition adults who willingly join cults want to be ordered around.

    Catherine Oxenberg describes how she tried to save her daughter from the grips of NXIVM. She spoke during a NXIVM pre-trial discussion on Monday, March 18, 2019, at the Hearst Media Center in Colonie, N.Y.

    “Pre trial discussion”, WTF!

  125. Empire 5:5

    Monty is back!

    He’s bleeding out, in public. That faint muffled gurgling voice: the final Muh Russia.

    A live stream self immolation would b more credible.

  126. OldOzzie

    Labor’s climate policy will hurt farmers, National Farmers’ Federation says

    Greg Brown
    Journalist

    Bill Shorten is set for a brawl with farmers on industrial relations, trade and climate change policy if he becomes prime minister, with the peak farmers’ lobby warning Labor’s 45 per cent emissions reduction target could hit the competitiveness of exports.

    National Farmers’ Federation president Tony Mahar has warned the Opposition Leader’s climate change agenda would impact farmers, despite the agriculture sector being carved out of key parts of its policies.

    “We know transport and electricity costs increase under the Labor policy so we want to understand better on how they think that would impact on our target,” Mr Mahar said.

    “If it means more costs in the supply chain then we have to have ways where the competitiveness on Australian agriculture products are not compromised.

    “We export two-thirds of what we produce. So we have got to maintain our competitiveness while doing our bit for climate change.

    “The cost of 45 per cent in emissions target is likely to mean there are extra costs in the supply chain and we want to understand what that means for agricultural products both here and overseas and we haven’t got that level of detail yet.”

    Mr Mahar said he was also concerned about Labor’s plan to limit land clearing and warned against attempting to renegotiate the Australian-Indonesian free trade agreement.

    “We want the Indonesian free trade agreement ratified ASAP. It has been signed but it has got to go through the parliament,” he said.

    “What we wouldn’t want is for an intention to be renegotiated because I know, having travelled the world with these trade agreements in negotiating rounds, how hard they are to do.”

    The Australian Council of Trade Unions and the Australian Manufacturing Workers’ Union have voiced concern about the deal, while Labor has told Indonesia it could seek to delete clauses that make it easier for foreign companies to sue the government.

    On increasing farmer access to foreign workers, Mr Mahar said he was under the impression Labor intended to deliver an agriculture visa, which is bitterly opposed by the union movement.

    “(Labor’s agriculture spokesman) Joel Fitzgibbon has said in media statements that he will deliver an agriculture visa so if they stand by that commitment then we will be happy,” Mr Mahar said.

    But a Labor spokesman said the party had not committed to an agriculture visa. The spokesman instead flagged tougher labour market testing for farmers before they can employ foreign workers.

    “Labor is deeply concerned by the numerous examples of exploitation and underpayment of workers on temporary visas and the failure of the Liberals to stamp it out,” the spokesman said.

    “The Abbott-Turnbull-Morrison government has failed to address workforce shortages facing Australia’s agriculture sector.

    “A Shorten Labor government will get the balance right and will work with all stakeholders to give young Australians the best chance to secure work in the agribusiness sector.”

    There has also been a brawl in the government about the visa, which could bring in up to 100,000 overseas farm workers from Asia to make up for a local shortage.

    Scott Morrison last year agreed to “moving towards” an agricultural visa, after the government’s coldness on the issue infuriated Nationals MPs and threatened the authority of Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack.

    “Our government does support moving towards an agricultural visa. There has never been any question about that,” Mr Morrison said last October.

    Liberal cabinet ministers were concerned the visa would undermine existing labour schemes for Pacific Island workers.

    Foreign affairs analysts have warned that the proposed new visa class, which would allow temporary workers from across Asia to compete for farm jobs with Pacific Islanders, would threaten Australia’s core strategic relationships as China seeks to expand its influence in the region.

    The government has not progressed with the agriculture visa but extended the working holiday visa for up to three years for people who work in the regions.

    Mr Mahar said a special agriculture visa was essential for farmers to grow their businesses.

    “They are dealing with what we believe are shortages and challenges getting people on farms and keeping them on farms,” Mr Mahar said.

    “The remote nature of agricultural work (makes it) difficult for us to utilise the existing visa arrangements.

    “The existing visa arrangement were designed for aid programs, they were designed for cultural exchange, they weren’t designed with a specific agriculture labour component as their central component.

    “We want a government that recognises the need for an agriculture-specific visa and delivers on it.”

  127. cohenite

    Glen Greenwald:
    Trump broke the brain of the media.

    What brain?
    The old joke has been revamped:

    What is ugly, has bad teeth and a collective IQ of 100: audience at a wrestling match.

    Now:
    What has great teeth, is attractive but still has a collective IQ of 100; The MSM.

  128. feelthebern

    In keeping with good Friday & my weekend ritual of a cooked breakfast, I cooked vegan sausages & eggs this morning.
    Eggs, outstanding.
    Vegan sausages, salty & terrible.
    Dog wouldn’t even eat them.
    I actually saw her sniffing around one of her poos in the back yard that I haven’t gotten around to picking up.
    Only 13 hours to wait until the meatening.

  129. OldOzzie

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2991957, posted on April 19, 2019 at 10:46 am

    Jerusalem at Easter would be an amazing place to experience.
    It’s interesting enough just in an ordinary time of year.
    The belief systems of three major world religions all combine in this one city.

    Lizzie

    That was the thing that amazed my wife and myself – the number of different religious groups in Jerusalem – well above the 3 major religions and the experience was superb

  130. feelthebern

    Dog now eating grass.
    The verdict is in.
    Vegan sausages are against nature.

  131. JC:

    Sad. Not much to discuss with that calamity. It’s actually a total fucking disaster for France and Westerners.

    We can rebuild buildings and cities – we can’t rebuild cultures.

  132. Geriatric Mayfly

    revamped…What has great teeth,

    The association of words reminds me I am currently reading Bram Stoker’s ‘Dracula.’ Just this morning I note, a vampire has been on the loose in the Ukraine and has inflicted a fatal bite on some fair maid. He’s under arrest, but I am sure the futures in garlic will be pretty secure for a while.

  133. egg_

    Vegan sausages, salty & terrible.
    Dog wouldn’t even eat them.

    Beneath dog food.
    Fitting.

  134. feelthebern

    Fun fact.
    Dog food has to be safe for human consumption.
    Pity some alleged human food is not fit for dog consumption.

  135. RobK

    rocks being split with ball peen hammers
    Due to OH&S rulings rubber mallets are now used.

  136. Ellie

    Ellie:
    Is your Gravatar telling us something?
    If so, good luck.

    Winston; what a gentleman. Thank you.
    🙂

  137. feelthebern

    Tucker.
    Glenn Greenwald.
    Mark Steyn.
    & right at the end Alexander Downer gets force-fed a shit sandwich.
    Awesomeness.

  138. MONTY YOU HAVE SQUIBBED

    THE BET WAS OVER MUELLER INDICTING TRUMP

    NOT INDICTMENTS MADE BEFORE THE FACT

    THE MUELLER REPORT EVEN SAYS THAT NO AMERICAN AT ALL COOPERATED WITH RUSSIA

    PAY UP YOU GODDAMNED PATHETIC WEASEL

  139. feelthebern

    I will not be happy until Alexander Downer faces a public Senate hearing.
    He’s such a toff, such a softcock, I have zero doubt he’ll break down crying.
    As he’s not a US citizen, he can’t even plead the 5th !

  140. Tom

    Bern, WTF made you buy a “vegan sausage”?

    Proper sausages made by a good butcher are unbeatable.

    And dogs love ’em.

  141. feelthebern

    PAY UP YOU GODDAMNED PATHETIC WEASEL

    Monty isn’t a weasel.
    He’s more of a manatee.

  142. feelthebern

    Good Friday Tom.
    Traditionally it’s sans meat day.

  143. As he’s not a US citizen, he can’t even plead the 5th !

    Yes he can. Scalia even agreed.

  144. feelthebern

    monty.
    manatee.
    monatee ?
    nah, needs more work.

  145. feelthebern

    You’ve educated me Frank.
    Thanks.

  146. Zatara

    Dept of Foreign Affairs and Trade punts on an Freedom of Information Act request.

    But admits Downer met with Papdopolus.

  147. Leigh Lowe

    Good Friday Tom.
    Traditionally it’s sans meat day

    Is your god a Catholic?

  148. Leigh Lowe

    Sorry.
    Is your dog a Catholic?

  149. m

    Lizzie, I ponder how correct Jung was in stating that there are archetypical stories that cross all cultures without apparently any cross cultural influences . Jordan Peterson speaks on this as he is a Jungian follower. For example, many many years ago I heard there was more than one story on Virgin Birth and in particular, tribes that had had no Christian contact .
    These days I observe that many are feeling an existential danger from climate change ,something that has afflicted humans from the get go and led them to establishing gods to save them. This is what Bill Shorten is doing , focussing on saving us from this existential danger and it does not matter how much it costs .

  150. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Bill Shorten is set for a brawl with farmers on industrial relations, trade and climate change policy if he becomes prime minister, with the peak farmers’ lobby warning Labor’s 45 per cent emissions reduction target could hit the competitiveness of exports.

    Bill Shorten couldn’t give a rat’s clacker about the agricultural sector – there’s no votes, there.

  151. RobK

    Bill Shorten couldn’t give a rat’s clacker about the agricultural sector – there’s no votes, there.
    Perhaps some interest in institutional investors via super schemes?….but no votes.

  152. feelthebern

    I believe my dog thinks she is the second coming the way she acts.

  153. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Well, I dunno, I miss the usual ‘ullo ‘ullo at the start of a new thread.
    Although maybe it was happening a bit too often. Diminishes the glory of getting No 1 gold then.
    But more democratic? Widens the opportunity sphere. As ever, problems, problems.
    Equalidy of any sort is always difficult. Let the cream rise to the top, I say.
    As long as Tom is right and the Big Bold New Fred Futcha really does load well for all.

  154. Herodotus

    Tom, above:
    “I predict it will be a knife-edge election, especially in the marginals. If we do what we want to do and give our first preferences to non-leftwing splinter groups in the lower house, the Liars with their Greenfilth preferences will win.”

    If you give your first to AC or PHON then second to Libs, don’t the Libs get the preference but not the $2.60?

  155. stackja

    Has ALP ever really cared about non urban Australia? Most votes in urban areas. MSM are as usual are useless. And urban voters? Clueless?

  156. John Constantine

    Thanks for the tree worship refresher, Lizzie.

    I do have a small library of first settler accounts of Aboriginal society around first contact, but do not recollect referrences to trees as totems, or to tree corroborees or tree spirit stories.

    Always assumed that because fire and landscape wide burnoffs were so vital to Aboriginal culture, with the replacing of forests with open grasslands, that individual trees that burn easiest in hot grassfires were not as significant.

    I can get a ‘birthing landscape’, and references to a fertile enviroment, but cannot believe that a tribe would refuse to burnoff a grassland because it had an individual sacred hollow tree in it, or that tribal fire brigades put out individual sacred birthing trees that caught fire.

    In Australia, tree hollows above ground are from insects and branches snapping off and exposed wood rotting.

    Ground level hollows are from fires that weren’t severe enough to topple the tree and left enough sapwood for the plant to draw nutrients and water from its roots even though the interior was burnt to a hollow.

    Euchy trees do this commonly.

    No carvings inside tree hollows, no evidence of stone tools enlarging the hollow or making ledges, stone scatters and tree hollows not linked.

    In a fireprone landscape, for a hollow tree to survive, with a hollow, for hundreds of years makes it a statistical outlier. The hollow is somewhere for flammable grass to gather through wind and nesting birds and animals and provide a chimney for the flames to internally consume the tree.

  157. calli

    Is this thread still going?

    Yikes!

  158. A long time ago stackja they competed with the Nats – see the absurd “wide comb dispute”, etc.

  159. John Constantine

    A fireprone landscape of eucylypts that produces a likelihood that there will be hollow trees every few square miles is Australian.

    A fireprone landscape that produces large numbers of individual hollow trees that can survive for eight hundred years of burning off is hard to imagine if you are familiar with fire.

    The tree may be old, but the hollow? not so much.

  160. OldOzzie

    Vox -The real reason Boeing’s new plane 737 Max 8 crashed twice

    Excellent Video (5 misn 59 Sec) on youtube

    Downloaded Jesus Christ Superstar: 2000 Film from Google Play $9.99 on Big Screen Wall TV rather than watch 27 Clips on youtube for free

    Now to watch

  161. RobK

    https://m.spiegel.de/international/europe/frauenkirche-expert-notre-dame-reconstruction-to-take-years-a-1263316.html

    SPIEGEL ONLINE: How long do you think the rebuilding process will take?
    Curbach: In this instance, bureaucratic hurdles are at least comparatively small, given that the cathedral is of great importance to Paris and, so far, all agree that the damage should be repaired. But Notre Dame is also a huge building. When we rebuilt the Frauenkirche, it took almost as long as the construction of the original building, even though we had cranes and modern technology at our disposal. Of course, it took more than 100 years to build the Notre Dame: I don’t think it will take that long. But there is a lot of logistics and planning involved in a project like this. The roof truss was a work of art. Reconstruction will take years, perhaps even more than a decade.

    RTWT

  162. Leigh Lowe

    Good Friday Tom.
    Traditionally it’s sans meat day.

    I see Grill’d hamburgers did a “meat free” day during the week, which tells me that Grill’d are fuck’d.
    I am sure the activists flocked in to buy them to make a point and they sure got lots of “likes” and “yays” on Soshul Meeja.
    Two things will now happen.
    (1) The fuckwits in their PR department will see the pumped up support as evidence of underlying demand and start to push vegan/veggie products into the menu.
    The activists won’t buy because they hate chain stores with a passion, and they will piss off their meat eating customers; and
    (2) If they don’t keep up the long march at a cracking pace they will cop all sorts of shit from disaffected vegans, including store invasions and online lying campaigns about food safety etc.

    Anyhow, it got me thinking about the “meat free Good Friday”. Imagine if the owner of Grill’d was a devout Catholic who decided to take the stores meat-free every day during Lent.

  163. Roger

    Bill Shorten is set for a brawl with farmers on industrial relations, trade and climate change policy if he becomes prime minister, with the peak farmers’ lobby warning Labor’s 45 per cent emissions reduction target could hit the competitiveness of exports.

    Why, that’s the very point!

    Agricultural production must decrease to meet Paris targets.

    It takes some people quite a while to catch on.

  164. Nick

    Anyhow, it got me thinking about the “meat free Good Friday”. Imagine if the owner of Grill’d was a devout Catholic who decided to take the stores meat-free every day during Lent.

    You’re right Leigh

    No meat Friday: yay, socially responsible, saving the planet and the lives of innocent animals.
    No meat for Good Friday: a religious bigot and oppressor.

  165. Oh come on

    m0nty is so lame. The lamest.

  166. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    This is what Bill Shorten is doing , focussing on saving us from this existential danger and it does not matter how much it costs .

    I was saying this to Hairy just the other day. Cultists will not see reason nor sense as their minds are turned, so it is useless to argue with them: they will wreak havoc regardless of cost in human or monetary terms. I offer this advice: see any Shorten win as a victory for the climate cult, and prepare to meet thy doom. In other words, squirrel away whatever you can and sit heretically tight till the cult dies. Like Oates’ trip to the hereafter, it may take some time. Meanwhile, comfort yourself with the view that religious wars eventually burn themselves out and human societies do rise again after the most disastrous falls, so all is not lost. Enjoy the small and simple things in life and protect your own while helping those you can help (Read Amor Towels’ novelistic fable ‘A Gentleman in Moscow’ for the handbook on this). For the brave, join the underground resistance to fight the good fight to restore all that we have lost. Don’t expect that to be easy.

    Easter is the symbol for both dark days ahead and the triumph of goodness and light in the end.

  167. John Constantine

    https://www.petfoodreviews.com.au/faq/irradiation-of-pet-food-imported-into-australia/

    Importing dried pigs ears from the chicoms for pet treats, when half the chicom pig herd is said by Rabobank to be exposed to African swine plague.

    How could it possibly go wrong?.

    Comrades.

  168. Roger

    Reconstruction will take years, perhaps even more than a decade.

    Macron: 5 years and “even more beautiful”!

    With a multi-faith spire to reflect contemporary France?

    The conceit of the moderns.

  169. Bruce of Newcastle

    Downloaded Jesus Christ Superstar: 2000 Film from Google Play $9.99 on Big Screen Wall TV rather than watch 27 Clips on youtube for free
    Now to watch

    Nine Gem has it on at 2:10pm this arvo.
    Carl Anderson is excellent but every time I hear the songs it takes weeks to get them out of my brain. 😀

  170. Knuckle Dragger

    Serious question.

    I’m well versed in Mick education, having completed 12 years of it thanks to the Sisters of Mercy (bullshit!) and the Christian Brothers.

    I think I’m across all the dogma that comes with that, but thanks in part to that education I’ve lapsed bigly since leaving school. There are obviously gaping holes in there somewhere, and this is one of them:

    Why is eating meat verboten on GF?

    As far as I can make out, JC wasn’t cannibalised by the Italians. If it’s just a traditional thing, has it really been around since way back when?

    I don’t understand the concept, and would appreciate any rationale behind it.

    I had a Big Mac several GFs ago. I wasn’t struck by lightning, so it can’t be that bad.

    Can it?

  171. IN A JUST WORLD, THIS HAPPENS TO WELCHERS (*NADT)

    “That’s traumatic for anyone to witness…”

    YOU SHOULD NEVER GAMBLE, MONTY.

    LET THIS BE A LESSON TO YOU.

    A MAN HONOURS HIS DEBT.

  172. DrBeauGan

    I thought Catholics had to eat fish on Fridays to help poor Italian fishermen.

  173. Empire 5:5

    Frank Walker from National Tiles
    #2991958, posted on April 19, 2019 at 10:49 am
    That NXVIM stuff looks weird but I’m not sure at what level those women were coerced. Sure, underage girls were by definition coerced. “Supply nude pics and brand yourself, then lay on your back…” That is coercion?

    By definition adults who willingly join cults want to be ordered around.

    —————————
    I think we can say with confidence the girls were indeed coerced.

    Federal prosecutors have unveiled child pornography charges against accused sex trafficker Keith Raniere, founder of the alleged sex cult Nxivm.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/keith-raniere-nxivm-court-charges-brooklyn-new-york-cult-a8822241.html

  174. John Constantine

    Get bill shorten plugged into the cathredral rebuilding and it will only take, errrr, ummmmmmm, errrrrrrrr, eight minutes?.

    Comrades.

  175. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Hmm. Cats proven to suffer from irradiation illness in X-rayed food. How much radiation goes into our luggage every time we travel? I often carry bits and pieces of foodstuffs in our checked-in luggage. Just another one of those things not worth worrying about?

    I was tossing up in the pet shop yesterday about whether to get pigs ears or lambs ears to pacify our friends’ dog when we visit today. They are besotted with this animal and I want to show willing to like him. I’ve opted for lambs ears, so perhaps a good choice, as they are probably from New Zealand not China. Should I stick them in the microwave just in case? And are microwaves (different sort of radiation?) as safe as we think? I’ve resisted getting het up over them, but I can’t give away my perfectly good microwave to any of my needy lefty rellies. They’ll take any other old cast-offs but baulk at the ‘radiation’. I’m replacing it with fancy combo model for the new kitchen.

  176. I’m not disputing the alleged abuse of a 15 year old girl. I’m not even defending the cult/MLM scam.

    I find it hard to understand how voluntarily branding/scarring yourself and handing over nudes makes a strong case for coercion.

  177. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Get bill shorten plugged into the cathredral rebuilding and it will only take, errrr, ummmmmmm, errrrrrrrr, eight minutes?.

    That’s that one dealt with then. Next?

  178. Hay Stockard

    I was having a pleasant Good Friday morning, after having made my devotions I was watching the Sharks Panthers game on Fox and trying to catch up on this thread. Someone mentioned the result of the game. You know who you are. Shame on you.

  179. Mindfree

    Rioting in Londonderry !
    IRA started up again or some other group

  180. RobK

    Why is eating meat verboten on GF?
    I reckon the no (red)meat thing was a ploy to promote fish consumption. (Actually not a bad idea)

  181. John Constantine

    People with obstructive sleep apnea are at increased risk of motor vehicle accidents. Various studies show the risk is anywhere between two and seven times the risk. This is a particularly significant risk for people in fatigue critical industries such as transport drivers, pilots or train drivers. These industries are highly regulated, with some jurisdictions requiring mandatory testing for obstructive sleep apnoea if people are at high risk such as having a BMI over 35 kg/m2.

    .05 and 35 kg/m2

    If fat shaming is a feminist issue, is it only tubby blokes over 35kg/m2 that will lose their licences?.

    https://sleephub.com.au/sleep-and-driving/

  182. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Meat eating is forbidden in Lent too. I think it’s a sign of willing deprivation. Eating decent meat was a big deal for most people in ancient and medieval times. Hard to come by, and often rotten.

    Interesting that monasteries that went big on Lent were given plenty of definitional leeway. All sorts of things were classified as ‘not meat’ in those days – particularly fish, but also lots of types of fowl, and even some meats (goat? read that somewhere). That is a lesson some vegans could and should learn, for the sake of their B12 intake as well as their sanctimonious minds.

  183. Hay Stockard

    Knuckle Dragger,
    Meat free days were compelled my theMonasteries.. Friday was not the only one.
    By some strange coincidence, the Monasteries owned the fisheries.

  184. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Gotta go; can’t blog the day away. Things to do.

  185. Zatara

    Since Jesus sacrificed his flesh for us on Good Friday, we refrain from eating flesh meat in his honor on Fridays. Flesh meat included the meat of mammals and poultry, and the main foods that come under this heading are beef and pork, chicken and turkey. While flesh is prohibited, the non-flesh products of these animals are not (like milk, cheese, butter and eggs).

    Fish do not belong to the flesh meat category. The Latin word for meat, “caro,” from which we get English words like “carnivore” and “carnivorous,” applies strictly to flesh meat and has never been understood to include fish.

    Furthermore, in former times, flesh meat was more expensive, eaten only occasionally and associated with feasting and rejoicing; whereas fish was cheap, eaten more often and not associated with celebrations.

    Abstinence is a form of penance. Penance expresses sorrow and contrition for our wrongdoing, indicates our intension to turn away from sin and turn back to God, and makes reparation for our sins. It helps to cancel the debt and pay the penalties incurred by our transgressions.

    Abstinence is a form of asceticism, the practice of self-denial to grow in holiness. Jesus asks his disciples to deny themselves and take up their cross (Matthew 16:24).

    Abstinence is a sober way to practice simplicity and austerity, to deny the cravings of our bodies to honor Jesus who practiced the ultimate form of self-denial when he gave his body for us on the cross.

    Thus, to give up flesh meat on Fridays, only to feast on lobster tail or Alaskan king crab, is to defeat the ascetical purpose of abstinence. Less is more!

    From Catholic Hotdish

  186. Roger

    Meat eating is forbidden in Lent too.

    Not for a very long time, Lizzie.

  187. OldOzzie

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2992015, posted on April 19, 2019 at 11:48 am

    Downloaded Jesus Christ Superstar: 2000 Film from Google Play $9.99 on Big Screen Wall TV rather than watch 27 Clips on youtube for free
    Now to watch

    Nine Gem has it on at 2:10pm this arvo.
    Carl Anderson is excellent but every time I hear the songs it takes weeks to get them out of my brain

    Bruce,

    waiting for wife to come back from walk to watch full 1 hr 51 mins downloaded movie – in the meantime comparing Downloaded Jesus Christ Superstar: 2000 Film from Google Play $9.99 on Big Screen Wall TV with watch 27 Clips on youtube for free on 65″ Big Screen Wall TV

    Exactly the same

    the clue to watching 27 Clips on youtube for free is to let it keep rolling through

    I would recommend watch first

    Jesus: Countdown To Calvary

    Hugh Bonneville (Downton Abbey – studied Theology at Cambridge University) reveals how a perfect storm of political intrigue, power struggles and clashing religious passions combined, in a single week, to cause the event that changed the world: the killing of Jesus.

    Then listen to the Words of Jesus Christ Superstar: 2000 as they relate back to the documentary – magic words

  188. stackja

    Frank Walker from National Tiles
    #2991999, posted on April 19, 2019 at 11:31 am
    A long time ago stackja they competed with the Nats – see the absurd “wide comb dispute”, etc.

    Wasn’t that unions? ALP helping unions. I am shocked!

  189. mh

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

    @AOC
    Mueller’s report is clear in pointing to Congress’ responsibility in investigating obstruction of justice by the President.

    It is our job as outlined in Article 1, Sec 2, Clause 5 of the US Constitution.

    As such, I’ll be signing onto @RashidaTlaib’s impeachment resolution.

  190. Stimpson J. Cat

    I thought Catholics had to eat fish on Fridays to help poor Italian fishermen.

    Not eating meat one day a year is rather mild compared to some rather ridiculous other religious prohibitions.

    It’s also not like Catholics run a racket blessing holy fish either.

  191. Infidel Tiger

    Big crowds at all the local churches, except for the sneakers and guitar churches who don’t do a Good Friday service. They’re too cool for that.

  192. Boambee John

    rocks being split with ball peen hammers

    Very small rocks? Somehow, I suspect that m0nty is not familiar with the concept of different types of hammers.

    Hit him between the eyes with a 7lb sledge, he might, just might, start to understand!

  193. Knuckle Dragger

    Zatara,

    Appreciated. I was just thinking about the lobster, crab thing while reading that, and then I got to the bottom where they addressed it themselves.

    #learningaboutshitishouldhaveknowninthefirstplace

  194. Bruce of Newcastle

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez ✔@AOC
    Mueller’s report is clear in pointing to Congress’ responsibility in investigating obstruction of justice by the President.

    LOL. How can you obstruct justice in an investigation which found you entirely innocent?
    I can’t wait for Hillary to be done for having her phones and hard drives smashed with a hammer.
    Maybe AOC can ask her about that.

  195. Knuckle Dragger

    Anyone that’s belted a rock with a rubber mallet will not do it again.

    Haven’t done it myself, but I’ve seen a mate thwack a stone retaining wall, behind which was several tonnes of rock and dirt, as hard as he could.

    The concept of recoil was illustrated perfectly.

  196. calli

    You wonder if mothers like Theron watch their children with eagle eyes hoping for some tiny deviation from what they imagine to be the norm.

    Then they pounce triumphantly – my child is fashionably different – look! LOOK! LOOK! at me.

    The child should be removed from this unstable woman and given a home with a loving family.

  197. Bruce of Newcastle

    Charlize Theron: My child I thought was a boy is… a girl!

    Hmm, maybe there’s a reason in there somewhere for the following story…

    It sounds unreal, but indeed, Academy Award-winning actress Charlize Theron, whose beauty rivals that of Grace Kelly, has been single for 10 years and she wants a man to “grow a pair and step up.”

    Charlize Theron Is ‘Shockingly Available,’ Begs Men To ‘Grow A Pair And Step Up’ (5 Apr)

  198. mh

    Charlie Theron certainly has her wires crossed.

    Maybe she can hook up with Ron Perlman.

  199. Roger

    The child should be removed from this unstable woman and given a home with a loving family.

    +1

  200. It sounds unreal, but indeed, Academy Award-winning actress Charlize Theron, whose beauty rivals that of Grace Kelly, has been single for 10 years and she wants a man to “grow a pair and step up.”

    Step up to Thorazine and Clonazepam!

  201. RobK

    Anyone that’s belted a rock with a rubber mallet will not do it again.
    Ideal therapy in a penitentiary.

  202. Bruce o’Newcastle:
    Perhaps she should look at what they’re being offered and do some insightful thinking.
    Charlize isn’t the sort of woman I’d be looking for for a mother of my children.

  203. Dot, please provide a link to our bet, I am busy with family stuff and haven’t got the time.

    THE MUELLER REPORT EVEN SAYS THAT NO AMERICAN AT ALL COOPERATED WITH RUSSIA

    Yeah nah, that’s a lie. There was heaps of cooperation, much of it using Wikileaks as a cut out. You know, like the Mob does.

  204. Bruce of Newcastle

    Yeah nah, that’s a lie. There was heaps of cooperation, much of it using Wikileaks FusionGPS as a cut out. You know, like the Mob does.

    There you go M0nty, I fixed it for you.

  205. Nick

    Meullerbation: Monty, it’s coming, it’s coming.

  206. So monty you’re not going to pay up because not only are you a welching squib and unmanly, but because “the mafia use wikileaks”?

    FFS you are more lame than a three legged dog that has been run over and put out of its misery with a courtyard shovel.

  207. Oh come on

    You’re such a loser, m0nty. Aren’t you ashamed to show your face around here?

    Now. Go and have a lie down. You must be exhausted from moving all of those goal posts.

  208. Slim Cognito

    It sounds unreal, but indeed, Academy Award-winning actress Charlize Theron, whose beauty rivals that of Grace Kelly, has been single for 10 years and she wants a man to “grow a pair and step up.”

    Having a pair is exactly why they are staying the hell away from her. Crazy b!tch!!

  209. Stimpson J. Cat

    I am busy with family stuff and haven’t got the time.

    = Vidya Games.

  210. I forget the exact terms of the bet, Dot. I have a lot on my mind at the moment. Link me up, brother.

  211. monty you coward I did not find excuses to not pay up. I willingly paid you TWICE.

    If you can’t make bets you cannot pay on, then don’t shoot your mouth off, you goddamned dishonourable manlet.

    Hilarious now that you told me what was included before, but now cannot remember the terms.

    You are not a bad person, but you are a small man.

  212. Knuckle Dragger

    It’s fantasy football season, doncha know.

    Monty’s got the Wikileaks Eagles 5/4 on for the flag.

    Actually, that’s more of a Sportsbet analogy. Mea culpa Monty, I don’t know anything about fantasy football or Supercoach.

    Most likely because it’s nothing to do with reality. And is therefore shit.

  213. calli

    whose beauty rivals that of Grace Kelly

    CalliCheck – False

  214. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘manlet’

    Ha!

  215. Boambee John

    LO, m0nty has held his hopes high through two Muellerweens, two Muellersgivings, two Merry Muellers, two Happy New Muellers, and all he ends up with is MuellerLent!

  216. calli

    Compare the pair.

    I tried to pick flattering photos of each woman. The latter has the hardest of eyes – I know why men tend to steer clear.

  217. Knuckle Dragger

    I’d step up for Charlize Theron. For a night or two. My name would be Dave, and I would be a plumber from Ipswich.

    The I’d smash through her front door to freedom, and after that make T shirts that said ‘I Gave Charlize Theron a Re-Sleeve. No Really.’

  218. Rabid Koala

    Haberman believed the Rodgers and Hammerstein classic for Sound of Music is a Nazi anthem and that the von Trapps were disciples of Adolf Hitler.

    Some people claim the da jooos are behind everything. Do j ews like Haberman believe na zis are behind everything?

  219. mh

    You are not a bad person, but you are a small man.

    I’ve never thought of Monty like that.

    I thought he was a bad person and a fat man.

  220. monty believes that Agent Harris was the go between for Tony Soprano and Julian Assange, as to enable Trump to collude with Putin.

    monty my dear boy, here is some advice: Don’t end up like Homer Paxton. Don’t go crazy because you lost an argument or a bet on a blog. Don’t double down on something ridiculous like that (or Skan kee Ho, or that the Nazis made Germans “very happy”), etc.

  221. RobK

    KD
    I’d step up for Charlize Theron. 
    She’s well above the curve, in the danger zone, on the hot/crazy matrix. Be warned. Recall about your second means of egress. The front door routine might need some work.

  222. thefrollickingmole

    There was heaps of cooperation, much of it using Wikileaks as a cut out. You know, like the Mob does.

    So the mob & the Trump campaign use possibly the worlds most surveiled man/group as a cut out to contact Wussian agents to get Donald elected?

    Thts not even rising to the level of fantasy, thats just “bad acid” level of stupid.

  223. Knuckle Dragger

    Hence the T shirts, RobK.

    That level of achievement demands adulation from the public at large.

  224. egg_

    Looks like the local Wrongologist is a low energy cardboard cutout.

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