Monday Forum: April 15, 2019

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  1. OldOzzie

    notafan
    #2990139, posted on April 17, 2019 at 12:45 pm

    No no OO

    I was referring to those who do not pay ‘rack rate’ and use sites like wotif etc and still don’t tip

    Apologies notafan, I misunderstood

    Regards

    OldOzzie

  2. notafan

    The implication that the majority of US citizens are provincial stick in the muds, of course, is probably just a a stereotype beloved of progs.

    international places US citizens can go without a passport

  3. Dr Faustus

    Coalition and Labor figures say privately that yesterday was the opposition’s worst day in years as the attacks on a raft of policies, aided by questioning by journalists, saw the usually confident Shorten on the back foot.

    Labor like to suggest that it has spent the past six years building a united team and honing a set of well-developed, ready for government policies.

    The reality is Shorten was shoehorned into the top job by the ACTU and the ALP has spent the past years trying to work out a compromise between Shorten’s toxic personal appeal and the demands of Labor’s various constituencies for more OPM. Far from being ‘evidence based’, what passes for policy development is clearly based on sloganry and grabs of semi-plausible sounding supporting ‘stuff’ – tortured data, ‘expert’ commentary, back-of-coaster-economics, push-polling, and the like.

    Once even slightly tested this policy mess promptly falls apart. Bowen’s tax master-plan is a case study in how easy it is for zombie policy, conjured by ALP voodoo practitioners, to stagger into real life – and then stand stupidly blinking in the daylight.

    Even the media recognises there is an unavoidable story in this.

  4. Tel

    The reality is Shorten was shoehorned into the top job by the ACTU and the ALP has spent the past years trying to work out a compromise between Shorten’s toxic personal appeal and the demands of Labor’s various constituencies for more OPM. Far from being ‘evidence based’, what passes for policy development is clearly based on sloganry and grabs of semi-plausible sounding supporting ‘stuff’ – tortured data, ‘expert’ commentary, back-of-coaster-economics, push-polling, and the like.

    And once they get in they will change it all. The Peter Garratt rule always applies!

  5. Infidel Tiger

    Israel Folau plans to fight his “high-level” breach which cost him his $4 million contract, Rugby Australia has announced.

    Margin Call: Rugby Australia boss Raelene Castle earning every cent amid Israel Folau furore

    Rugby Australia will now make arrangements with the Rugby Union Players’ Association (RUPA) to bring together a Code of Conduct hearing.

    Rugby Australia Chief Executive, Raelene Castle said Folau gave them a formal response today.

    “Israel has responded formally today to request a Code of Conduct hearing which, under the circumstances, was not an unexpected outcome. We will now work to confirm a date for the hearing as soon as possible,” Ms Castle said.

    “After the date for the hearing is confirmed Rugby Australia and the NSW Rugby Union will make no further comment on the matter until the Code of Conduct process has concluded

    Gosh, they better hurry up.

    It’s only 2 days until the crucifixion.

  6. Dr Faustus

    …it had not occurred to me before the disappearance of the 35mm films, that when you paid for a Hotel Room, Bed Making and Cleaning were not included – I did learn a lesson and tipped from there on over many trips to the US – but still don’t like the system

    One of the reasons that you get to stay in a decent city hotel in the US for A$150-ish per night (as opposed to $200 in Sydney, or $250+ in London) is that most of the service-delivery staff are paid minimum wages and depend on tips.

  7. thefrollickingmole

    Another chronical of corruption logged

    Makes you sick does it?

    If only the corrupting hand of “more government” was removed from the whole process eh?

    Or is it more government leads to less opportunity for political favors and graft?

    Once again the “more government ids good” bloke fails to see that its precisely because its a government plaything theres the chance for corruption to arise.
    90% of what he whinges about (apart from those stupid Yanks) is formed because government interferes, or in his bizzaro world, doesnt interfere enough.

  8. calli

    Americans have been further afield than anyone else on the planet.

    I’ll be at sea off Florida on July 21. I hope they’ll have a big shindig for the Golden Anniversary.

  9. Dr Faustus

    Israel Folau plans to fight his “high-level” breach which cost him his $4 million contract, Rugby Australia has announced.

    Good.

    We need objective evidence that begging drinkers to repent, embrace Jesus, and avoid hell is actually a “high level” offence in modern Australia.

    Otherwise it’s not clear how the Salvation Army can continue to legally operate.

  10. Arky

    The 24-year-old punched Patrick Pritzwald-Stegmann in the head at Box Hill Hospital, in Melbourne’s east, in May 2017.
    The blow knocked the surgeon unconscious and caused him to fall backwards and hit his head on the tiled floor.
    He died in hospital a month after the attack.
    The pair had gotten into an argument after the surgeon asked Esmaili and his friends to stop smoking in a non-smoking area

    ..
    Hmmm.
    Smoking does kill.

  11. OldOzzie

    Dr Faustus
    #2990150, posted on April 17, 2019 at 1:03 pm

    …it had not occurred to me before the disappearance of the 35mm films, that when you paid for a Hotel Room, Bed Making and Cleaning were not included – I did learn a lesson and tipped from there on over many trips to the US – but still don’t like the system

    One of the reasons that you get to stay in a decent city hotel in the US for A$150-ish per night (as opposed to $200 in Sydney, or $250+ in London) is that most of the service-delivery staff are paid minimum wages and depend on tips.

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  12. Arky

    Actually, it was the tiled floor than killed that man.
    If we banned tiles we could save many, many lives.

  13. OldOzzie

    Climate election debate means this is the dumbest campaign in history

    Chris Kenny

    Could this be the dumbest election campaign in history? Once again the focus will fall heavily on climate policy and, to be frank, the debate around this is about as idiotic as you could get.

    One of the biggest differences between Labor and the Coalition in this campaign is their climate and energy policies; Labor proposes more than doubling the amount of renewable energy by 2030 and almost doubling cuts in carbon emissions.

    All voters know that years of climate interventions have cost us dearly in extra taxation and, most notably, in higher electricity prices. The renewable energy target, the short-lived carbon tax, direct action and a range of subsidies and government grants have cost us billions, hurting households, businesses and industry.

    The stated aim of the Coalition on this front is to meet its Paris climate commitments, reducing emissions by 26 to 28 per cent on 2005 levels. Yet Bill Shorten keeps saying the government is doing nothing on climate. “We’re ready because this nation can’t afford another three years of inaction on climate change,” he said last month, for instance.

    It is silly but usually goes unchallenged. Over recent months I have asked a range of activists and politicians to name a country that has done more at greater cost to its economy to lower emissions; they can’t name one.

    Yet Labor will not say how much its plans to double our climate action effort will cost. It has no detailed costings or estimates on what its plans will do to household costs, motoring expenses, industry pressures or economic activity and government revenue. It has provided next to no detail.

    As we saw yesterday in a fiery exchange with Channel 10’s Jonathan Lea, Shorten refuses to even attempt an answer.

    In a fiery exchange on the campaign trail in Boothby, @billshortenmp has avoided questioning on the cost Labor’s emission reduction target would have to the Australian economy.

    As if Labor’s plans to for unspecified but massive changes to this nation’s transport system, energy grid and economy without costings aren’t worrying enough, it tells us they will stop angry summers, prevent floods, droughts, bushfires and cyclones.

    “First of all — what is the cost of not taking action on climate change?” Shorten asked at the start of this month releasing some of his policy. “It is huge. It was estimated that last year $18 billion is the cost of the extreme weather events we’ve been having in insurance, in property values, in damage, in lost production.”

    The suggestion here is that Labor’s policies will reduce extreme weather events. Labor says its policies will change the climate for the better.

    This is just untrue. Whatever Labor spends and however much they reduce Australia’s 1.3 per cent share of worldwide emissions, global greenhouse emissions continue to rise sharply.

    If the election debate has any regard for facts and climate science it must reflect the obvious fact that neither Labor nor the Coalition’s plan will improve the climate while global emissions continue to rise. The government will pay a price to meet Paris without environmental benefits and Labor will pay a much higher price to do more than we are required to do under Paris for an equally futile result.

    Lots of pain but no gain — and an election debate that refuses to confront this reality. This is why we are looking at the dumbest election campaign of all time.

    People are being urged to change their vote based on climate change policies that are not detailed and not costed, that we know will cost jobs and hurt Australia and that we know will not change the climate in any way.

    Yet we have politicians pretending they are on a mission to save the reef, cool down your summers, end the drought, end floods and save the planet.

    It insults the intelligence of voters. And because the tawdry compromises of major party politics mean neither of the major parties will call this out, there are too few voices in the media prepared to impose facts and common sense over the competing party lines. I guess that’s just our dumb luck.

  14. Dr Faustus

    London Marriott Hotel County Hall
    Thur 18 April/Fri 19 April
    AUD662/night.

    Not sure where that takes us…

  15. OldOzzie

    The Heroin Dealer’s Lament

    Adani protest: Bob Brown compares coalminers to heroin dealers as convoy begins

    Matthew Denholm
    Tasmania Correspondent

    The Stop Adani convoy, led by Dr Bob Brown, began today

    Bob Brown has likened coalminers to heroin dealers, as he embarks on a “stop Adani” convoy from Hobart to Canberra via New South Wales and Queensland.

    After a rally in Hobart, the former Greens leader told The Australian the convoy aimed to elevate the issue of the controversial Queensland coalmine, and climate change more broadly, during the election campaign.

    He rejected the argument that it was pointless stopping the massive Adani Carmichael mine, proposed for the Galilee Basin, given that the coal would otherwise simply be mined elsewhere in the world.

    And the #StopAdaniConvoy is on the road! We waved farewell from Hobart early this morning after a big rally on Parliament Lawns. Here we come Australia!
    — Bob Brown (@BobBrownFndn) April 17, 2019

    “That’s the heroin dealer’s lament — if I didn’t do it somebody else would,” Dr Brown told The Australian. “It’s not an ethical argument.

    “The argument really for everybody is: do I want this wealthiest of nations per capita on earth to be disproportionately responsible for the worst outcomes for our children?

    “We’ve just seen the floods in Townsville, the fires in Tasmania and the Murray-Darling fish deaths, all made worse by burning coal.”

    Dr Brown said more than 700 vehicles had signed up for stages of the convoy, which will travel across Bass Strait on the Spirit of Tasmania ferry tonight, as it heads to Melbourne, Albury, Sydney, Coffs Harbour, Mullumbimby, Brisbane, Yeppoon, Airlie Beach, Mackay, the Galilee Basin and finally, on May 5, Canberra.

    “If we can get Australians … thinking ‘I want to vote against Adani’ as they go up to the ballot box this election, our convoy will have achieved what it set out to do,” he said.

    The participants, expected to number about 2000 during the course of the convoy, will be holding rallies at various points, including in the Galilee Basin.

    Dr Brown played down the risk of violence, given strong support in some communities for the mine, saying all convoy participants had committed to nonviolence and that organisers had “great liaison” with Queensland police.

  16. Dr Faustus

    It insults the intelligence of voters.

    Unfortunately the fact that Labor feels able to trot out dreadful, undisguised shite as ‘policy’ is a direct, calculated reflection of the intelligence of voters.

    For some reason, there is no political penalty for treating Australians as stupid.

  17. notafan

    700 vehicles to protest fossil fuel

    lol

  18. Atoms for Peace

    I reckon some of the cars in the debil debil coal convoy will have more than a few defects.
    I do hope they will be policed by QPS and Transport Dept

  19. Dr Faustus

    all convoy participants had committed to nonviolence and that organisers had “great liaison” with Queensland police

    Bob should remind his ‘nonviolent’ protesters that property owners in the Galilee Basin don’t want them on their places and the police will be hours away in Barcaldine, or Emerald.

  20. Tom

    For some reason, there is no political penalty for treating Australians as stupid.

    The main reason is that we’ve forgotten what it’s like to have a news media that calls out politicians’ bullshit — because 90% of the media has taken the side of the bullshit artists to try to get the socialist left back into power.

    The media is no longer the public’s eyes and ears — there’s no room for that when there’s an agenda to push.

  21. Infidel Tiger

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  22. None

    Rugby Australia and Israel Folau are headed for a code of conduct hearing after the controversial fullback appealed the organisation’s decision to terminate his contract.

    Folau responded to RA’s breach notice on Wednesday morning, sending the matter to a three-person hearing that will likely not take place until next week.

    Stoush: Israel Folau and Rugby Australia are set for a code of conduct hearing.CREDIT:JONATHAN CARROLL

    RA announced its intention to sack the three-time John Eales Medal winner last Thursday after Folau made two religious posts attacking, among others, gay and transgender people.

    “Israel has responded formally today to request a code of conduct hearing which, under the circumstances, was not an unexpected outcome. We will now work to confirm a date for the hearing as soon as possible,” RA chief executive Raelene Castle said.

  23. None

    Why don’t miners Sue for Brown for defamation. I think they should take the raptor line where they just soooo Bob Brown and his feral Minions fit every single infraction they can think of.

  24. feelthebern

    Referring to numbers & his tipping exploits in the US usually sends him scurrying.
    Today it bought the Cat 2 hours of peace.

  25. None

    So someone had a private conversation with Cardinal Pell by phone and it is splashed across a newspaper. We have some a grade criminality and corruption going on.

  26. RobK

    The Heroin Dealer’s Lament
    Dear Bob Brown,
    Heroin has its positive applications in medicine, as you should know. It has a downside of addiction which illegal dealers exploit to cast a scourge on our society. Coal has fostered our society well for over a couple of centuries and can do so for many more. Eventually we will likely find other means, especially if we are left to use the most efficient methods to power our needs and lift humanity out of poverty.
    It is clear from your utterances that your motive is political and not scientific. I am pleased you are able to voice your opinion but I’m not convinced of the premise on which you base it, that, which you sprout as some given certainty. It is not.
    The intent and demand for coal is to lift mankind. The intent and demand for heroin is different entirely. It isn’t a useful analogy and shows the flaws in your thinking.
    Kind regards,
    Rk

  27. hzhousewife

    I think it highly amusing that Bob Brown has brought up heroin dealers in an analogy – Plibbers must be unimpressed.

  28. Percy Popinjay

    the controversial fullback

    LOL. Snappy title for your bio, Izzy.

  29. Confused Old Misfit

    Entry into Canada: Canadian law requires that all persons entering Canada carry both proof of citizenship and proof of identity. A valid U.S. passport, passport card, or NEXUS card satisfies these requirements for U.S. citizens.

    Children under 16 need only present proof of U.S. citizenship.

    Entry into the United States: When traveling by air from Canada, U.S. citizens are required by U.S. law to present a U.S. passport book. A few exceptions to this rule exist and a full list of documents that can be used at land and sea borders are provided on the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) website.

    So you con’t just rock up at the border and waltz across in either direction.
    Obtaining a passport or NEXUS card is as arduous as obtaining a passport, IIRC.

  30. feelthebern

    What are you referring to none?
    Which newspaper?

  31. Confused Old Misfit

    con’t

    “can’t” or “don’t”.
    Your call! 😉

  32. Roger

    “Israel has responded formally today to request a code of conduct hearing which, under the circumstances, was not an unexpected outcome. We will now work to confirm a date for the hearing as soon as possible,” RA chief executive Raelene Castle said.

    If it wasn’t an unexpected outcome why didn’t you already have the hearing date pencilled in?

    How much is she paid not to do her job?

  33. dover_beach

    RA announced its intention to sack the three-time John Eales Medal winner last Thursday after Folau made two religious posts attacking, among others, gay and transgender people.

    No, criticizing and asking them to repent is not an attack.

  34. Infidel Tiger

    Seems untenable that Israel could ever play rugby again while the current bard and coach are in situ.

    Potentially there is a massive payout coming up.

  35. Tom

    Ten times better than the RACV (read: NRMA) survey I’ve been using to locate cheap fuel: https://petrolspy.com.au.

  36. None

    Indeed Dover. Israel didn’t attack anyone and what next are we going to defend people who so-called attack p3d0philes? Yeah right.

  37. OldOzzie

    Tom
    #2990207, posted on April 17, 2019 at 2:20 pm

    Ten times better than the RACV (read: NRMA) survey I’ve been using to locate cheap fuel: https://petrolspy.com.au.

    Thanks Tom,

    bookmarked and mobile app downloaded

  38. Roger

    No, criticizing and asking them to repent is not an attack.

    Stock standard journalese, dover.

    The alternatives – admonished, exhorted, reprimanded – have too many syllables and might promote reflection.

    A means by which thought and discourse are dumbed down, as the Americans say.

  39. notafan

    So you con’t just rock up at the border and waltz across in either direction.
    Obtaining a passport or NEXUS card is as arduous as obtaining a passport, IIRC.

    But holding sufficient other ID undermines the ‘only 30% of US citizen’s have authority to travel narrative.

    The fact that there are alternatives assumes that some people use them.

  40. Stimpson J. Cat

    We need objective evidence that begging drinkers to repent,

    Did he really beg drinkers to repent?
    The cheeky f$cker should be deported for that.
    Even Jesus loved wine.
    Outrageous.

  41. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Dr Brown said more than 700 vehicles had signed up for stages of the convoy, which will travel across Bass Strait on the Spirit of Tasmania ferry tonight, as it heads to Melbourne, Albury, Sydney, Coffs Harbour, Mullumbimby, Brisbane, Yeppoon, Airlie Beach, Mackay, the Galilee Basin and finally, on May 5, Canberra.

    Shouldn’t the good doctor and his disciples swim Bass Strait, and walk to the Galilee basin?

  42. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Even Jesus loved wine’

    Geez. I hate to say this, but Stimpy – you have a very good point.

  43. jupes

    For some reason, there is no political penalty for treating Australians as stupid.

    Because we are. Obviously.

  44. Roger

    Did he really beg drinkers to repent?

    Drunkards was the term used, I believe.

  45. Dr Faustus

    RA announced its intention to sack the three-time John Eales Medal winner last Thursday after Folau made two religious posts attacking, among others, gay and transgender people.

    To date all the emphasis has been on the offence given to unrepentant homosexuals; but will nobody think of the pain of the adulterers, liars, fornicators, thieves, atheists and idolators?

    Luckily, the Great Explainer is there for the rest of us:

    Opposition Leader Bill Shorten says rugby authorities have acted appropriately.

    “There is no freedom to perpetuate hateful speech,” he told reporters in Sydney.

    “Some of the comments which have been seen are far closer to hateful than I think appropriate for what people should be doing on social media.”

    Raw and authentic.

  46. Mark A

    dover_beach
    #2990205, posted on April 17, 2019 at 2:14 pm

    RA announced its intention to sack the three-time John Eales Medal winner last Thursday after Folau made two religious posts attacking, among others, gay and transgender people.

    No, criticizing and asking them to repent is not an attack.

    The DT front page calls him “disgraced” , Why?
    What did he do to disgrace himself?

  47. Stimpson J. Cat

    I can’t understand how you Sane people think sometimes.
    It’s just so ridiculous on every level.

    Take a good hard look at yourselves, seriously.

    Then laugh at yourselves, then try f$cking harder please.

  48. Knuckle Dragger

    So 700 vehicles have signed up for STAGES of the convoy.

    Including the fossil-fest that is Tasmania to Melbourne, that’s 12 stages.

    So as an absolute maximum, and still not taking into account the fossil-powered death machines that can’t mechanically travel through the stages, and those that are unregistered, and those driven without licences, and those driven by muppets affected by alcohol and drugs (because this is a target-rich environment if ever I’ve seen one) there just might be 58 VW beetles and/or XD Falcons stinking up the joint at one time.

    Good one Dr Bob.

  49. Some History

    Comment should be made about this antismoking advert that runs incessantly in Victoria courtesy of the “health” lobby.
    Quit having to hide from the kids
    Quit standing in the cold
    Quit feeling you’re being judged
    Quit knowing you smell
    Quit the expense
    The bad breath
    Being controlled
    Quit coughing
    Quit feeling an outcast
    Being embarrassed to give a hug
    Having to find somewhere to smoke
    Quit running out of breath
    Quit always saying you’re going to quit
    Quit smoking and you quit all the crap that goes with it
    You quit, you win.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEC_JQz45SQ&feature=youtu.be

    85% (11/13) of the crap referred to in the video that smokers can escape if they just do as they’re told and quit has been created by the same antismoking nut cases. It’s antismoking crap. It’s not the crap that goes with smoking; it’s the crap that comes from antismoking. If all of the antismoking hysterics of the last 30 years were dismantled, smokers would be freed of most of the crap referred to in the “advert”. The gall of these large-snouted pontificating plonkers is extraordinary.

    And the crap just continues on the Quit Victoria website
    “Pack-a-day smokers could save around $9,500 a year, or $800 a month, by quitting. Over five years, that’s almost $50,000. I’m sure smokers would prefer to put that money towards a house deposit, family holidays or a new car – anything but lining the pockets of international tobacco company executives who knowingly sell products that kill two in three long-term users.”
    https://www.vichealth.vic.gov.au/media-and-resources/media-releases/you-quit-you-win-campaign

    There’s that gall again. The $9,500 a year has been created by the pontificating plonkers and greedy politicians through skyhigh extortionate taxes. Get rid of the baseless, extortionate taxes and smokers world save loads. But the antismoking crap doesn’t end there. The antismoking nut cases claim that the eye-wateringly high expenditure on tobacco is “lining the pockets of international tobacco company executives”. The revenue to tobacco companies from a pack of cigarettes is small. 85%-90% of the pack price goes to the Federal government through extortionate taxes of which a cut goes to the pontificating plonkers for “health” promotion.

  50. RobK

    KD,
    Are you being racist to VWs?

  51. notafan

    Convoy of No Frigging Clue

  52. Knuckle Dragger

    I most certainly am RobK.

    All VWs, and their drivers, must repent or go to Hell.

  53. notafan

    Highway of Hypocrites

  54. Mother Lode

    “That’s the heroin dealer’s lament — if I didn’t do it somebody else would,” Dr Brown told The Australian. “It’s not an ethical argument.

    Ignoring the casually glossed over absurd equivalence of coal mining to heroin – coal has underwritten the greatest improvement of quality of life and bestowed an excess of leisure time that has allowed the flourishing of all human endeavours that exist outside of subsistance.

    Is he going to go after all coalminers – or just Australian ones. Because it is not really a virtue to go after some heroin dealers if you are determined to leave others to take over.

    And if the heroin dealers you go after have a less dangerous product than the ones that remain (even in Bobby’s crumpled brain mass he must realise Australian coal is more efficient and releases less noxious substances than alternatives), then it would be equivalent to making sure the streets are filled with more reckless dealers and littered with more corpses (if, as I say, you really believe coal is dangerous).

    Where is the virtue in that, you shambling travesty of a human?

    I suspect the convoy will be filled with the usual hippy vehicles, rusting, hideous patchwork paint with a childlike appreciation of aesthetics, and pumping out a steady flow of black toxic smoke.

  55. Knuckle Dragger

    I expect to be sacked by the Secret Agent Millionaire Astronaut Illuminati Corporation for that.

    Damn your anti-free speech agenda. Damn it all to Hell!!!!

    #takemetohellfordgirl

  56. Some History

    Comment should also be made on the senseless death of a surgeon. Unfortunately, it’s become another opportunity for antismoking hysterics. I would be very confident that the smoking ban was never called into question during the trial.

    “Patrick was brutally and fatally assaulted protecting Box Hill Hospital patients, visitors and colleagues,” Christine Baumberg said outside court.
    “I call on the Victorian Government and the management of all Victorian hospitals to properly enforce hospital smoking bans and to provide a safe workplace for all hospital staff,” she said.

    In sentencing, Justice Elizabeth Hollingworth said the men were arguing loudly and aggressively.
    “Suddenly and without warning … you punched him with a clenched fist to the head,” she said.
    “Unfortunately neither of you was prepared to simply walk away from the argument.”

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-17/joseph-esmaili-sentenced-for-killing-melbourne-heart-surgeon/11020218

    ” protecting Box Hill Hospital patients, visitors and colleagues”

    Protecting them from what? There should not be any outdoor smoking bans. They are just one nasty consequence of a deranged prohibitionist crusade. Again, the baseless nonsense – that people need to be protected from wisps of smoke outdoors (and in an area where cars travel) – that produced the senseless tragedy in the first place is again propagated as fact and without question. The madness continues.

  57. Some History

    We’re going backwards.

    New York Times headline:
    JAIL FOR SMOKING MOTHER.; Mrs. Lasher Used Cigarettes in Presence of Her Children.
    1904

  58. None:

    Why don’t miners Sue for Brown for defamation. I think they should take the raptor line where they just soooo Bob Brown and his feral Minions fit every single infraction they can think of.

    Two reasons:
    1. They don’t have the guts to stand up for their shareholders – you know – the actual people who own the business.
    2. They are being advised by the Public Relations Departments who have been termited by the very people they should be advising against.
    3. The Directors won’t get invited to the dinner parties they want to socialise into.
    4. Their wives/husbands/partners/friends/others will make them do the things that the ‘right people’ want them to do.

  59. HZ Housewife:

    I think it highly amusing that Bob Brown has brought up heroin dealers in an analogy – Plibbers must be unimpressed.

    I think he did it on purpose – it’s the sort of sly dig that prissy little queens like him specialise in.

  60. Habib

    The convoy of incontinence.

  61. Knuckle Dragger

    I’d struggle to call it a convoy.

    Most of those shitboxes would be lucky to do 60kph, thus rendering them fair game for every B Double driver on the eastern seaboard.

  62. Stimpson J. Cat

    Stimpys Handy Hints –

    Don’t ever try and stop a schizophrenic smoking.

  63. RobK

    Stimps,
    Don’t ever try to stop a schizophrenic smoking.
    Fixing, fixing.

  64. Dr Faustus

    Bill Shorten does explaining to tell us exactly how and why Labor’s un-costed climate change policies will be a benefit, not a cost, to the economy:

    Climate plan won’t ‘cost’ economy: Shorten

    “We are going to grow because we are going to move to a lower carbon pollution economy and there’s other aspects which means that we will grow, but the modelling has been done.”

    So, that all seems fairly clear, then.
    Probably safe to vote ’em in…

  65. Atoms for Peace

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    Haynes: Rotate anticlockwise.
    Translation: Clamp with molegrips then beat repeatedly with hammer anticlockwise. You do know which way is anticlockwise, don’t you?

    Haynes: Should remove easily.
    Translation: Will be corroded into place … clamp with adjustable wrench then beat repeatedly with a hammer.

    Haynes: Remove small retaining clip.
    Translation: Take off 15 years of stubborn crud, it’s there somewhere.

    Haynes: This is a snug fit.
    Translation: You will skin your knuckles! … Clamp with adjustable wrench then beat repeatedly with hammer.

    Haynes: This is a tight fit.
    Translation: Not a hope in hell matey! … Clamp with adjustable wrench then beat repeatedly with hammer.

    Haynes: As described in Chapter 7…
    Translation: That’ll teach you not to read through before you start, now you are looking at scarey photos of the inside of a gearbox.

    Haynes: Locate …
    Translation: This photo of a hex nut is the only clue we’re giving you.

    Haynes: Pry…
    Translation: Hammer a screwdriver into…

    Haynes: Undo…
    Translation: Go buy a tin of WD40 (catering size).

    Haynes: Ease …
    Translation: Apply superhuman strength to …

    Haynes: Retain tiny spring…
    Translation: “Jeez what was that, it nearly had my eye out”!

    Haynes: Press and rotate to remove bulb…
    Translation: OK – that’s the glass bit off, now fetch some good pliers to dig out the bayonet part and remaining glass shards.

    Haynes: Lightly…
    Translation: Start off lightly and build up till the veins on your forehead are throbbing then re-check the manual because what you are doing now cannot be considered “lightly”.

    Haynes: Weekly checks…
    Translation: If it isn’t broken don’t fix it!

    Haynes: Routine maintenance…
    Translation: If it isn’t broken… it’s about to be!

    Haynes: One spanner rating (simple).
    Translation: Your Mum could do this… so how did you manage to botch it up?

    Haynes: Two spanner rating.
    Translation: Now you may think that you can do this because two is a low, tiny, ikkle number… but you also thought that the wiring diagram was a map of the Tokyo underground (in fact that would have been more use to you).

    Haynes: Three spanner rating (intermediate).
    Translation: Make sure you won’t need your car for a couple of days and that your AA cover includes Home Start.
    Translation: But Novas are easy to maintain right… right? So you think three Nova spanners has got to be like a ‘regular car’ two spanner job.

    Haynes: Four spanner rating.
    Translation: You are seriously considering this aren’t you, you pleb!

    Haynes: Five spanner rating (expert).
    Translation: OK – but don’t expect us to ride it afterwards!!!
    Translation #2: Don’t ever carry your loved ones in it again and don’t mention it to your insurance company.

    Haynes: If not, you can fabricate your own special tool like this…
    Translation: Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

    Haynes: Compress…
    Translation: Squeeze with all your might, jump up and down on, swear at, throw at the garage wall, then search for it in the dark corner of the garage whilst muttering “:censored:” repeatedly under your breath.

    Haynes: Inspect…
    Translation: Squint at really hard and pretend you know what you are looking at, then declare in a loud knowing voice to your wife “Yep, as I thought, it’s going to need a new one”!

    Haynes: Carefully…
    Translation: You are about to cut yourself!

    Haynes: Retaining nut…
    Translation: Yes, that’s it, that big spherical blob of rust.

    Haynes: Get an assistant…
    Translation: Prepare to humiliate yourself in front of someone you know.

    Haynes: Turning the engine will be easier with the spark plugs removed.
    Translation: However, starting the engine afterwards will be much harder. Once that sinking feeling in the pit of your stomach has subsided, you can start to feel deeply ashamed as you gingerly refit the spark plugs.

    Haynes: Refitting is the reverse sequence to removal.
    Translation: But you swear in different places.

    Haynes: Locate securing bolt.
    Translation: Remember that worrying noise when you drove along the A38 last summer? That’s where you’ll find the securing bolt.

    Haynes: Prise away plastic locating pegs…
    Translation: Snap off…

    Haynes: Remove drum retaining pin.
    Translation: Break every screwdriver in your box.

    Haynes: Using a suitable drift or pin-punch…
    Translation: The biggest nail in your tool box isn’t a suitable drift!

    Haynes: Everyday toolkit
    Translation: Ensure you have an RAC Card & Mobile Phone

    Haynes: Apply moderate heat…
    Translation: Placing your mouth near it and huffing isn’t moderate heat.
    Translation #2: Heat up until glowing red, if it still doesn’t come undone use a hacksaw.
    Translation #3: Unless you have a blast furnace, don’t bother. Clamp with adjustable wrench then beat repeatedly with hammer.

    Haynes: Index
    Translation: List of all the things in the book bar the thing you want to do!

    Haynes: Remove oil filter using an oil filter chain wrench or length of bicycle chain.
    Translation: Stick a screwdriver through it and beat handle repeatedly with a hammer.

    Haynes: Replace old gasket with a new one.
    Translation: I know I’ve got a tube of Krazy Glue around here somewhere.

    Haynes: Grease well before refitting.
    Translation: Spend an hour searching for your tub of grease before chancing upon a bottle of washing-up liquid (dish soap). Wipe some congealed washing up liquid from the dispenser nozzle and use that since it’s got a similar texture and will probably get you to Halfords to buy some Castrol grease.

    Haynes: See illustration for details
    Translation: None of the illustrations notes will match the pictured exploded, numbered parts. The unit illustrated is from a previous or variant model. The actual location of the unit is never given.

    Haynes: Drain off all fluids before removing cap.
    Translation: Visit bathroom, spit on ground, remove baseball cap in order to scratch head in perplexity.

    Haynes: Top up fluids.
    Translation: Drink 2 cans of beer and call out a mobile mechanic to undo the damage.

    For Added Haynes Fun, go to the first section “Safety First” and read the bit about Hydrofluoric Acid. Would you really trust the advice of a book that uses this form of understatement?

    The best one I encountered was how to change a brake sensor in a Ford Fiesta Popular Plus. The photo showing the location of the unit failed to mention the crucial detail of whether the item was located in the engine compartment or inside the car ….. and the helpful photo of what the thing looked like didn’t give the reader any clues!

    THE CONDENSED HAYNES MANUAL
    All makes and models post-2000

    For a modern car chock full of electronics, all that’s in the Haynes Manual (aka “The Haynes Bumper Book of Jokes”) is:

    Routine Service: Take it to a main dealer and hand over a large amount of cash.

    Advanced Service: Open the bonnet. Decide all that stuff is far too scary. Proceed with routine service (see above).

    HAYNES GUIDE TO TOOLS OF THE TRADE

    HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer is nowadays used as a kind of divining rod to locate expensive parts not far from the object we are trying to hit.

    MECHANIC’S KNIFE: Used to open and slice through the contents of cardboard cartons delivered to your front door; works particularly well on boxes containing Mountune parts.

    ELECTRIC HAND DRILL: Normally used for spinning steel Pop rivets in their holes until you die of old age, but it also works great for drilling mounting holes just above the brake line that goes to the rear wheel.

    PLIERS: Used to round off bolt heads.

    HACKSAW: One of a family of cutting tools built on the Ouija board principle. It transforms human energy into a crooked, unpredictable motion, and the more you attempt to influence its course, the more dismal your future becomes.

    MOLE-GRIPS/ADJUSTABLE WRENCH: Used to round off bolt heads. If nothing else is available, they can also be used to transfer intense welding heat to the palm of your hand.

    OXYACETELENE TORCH: Used almost entirely for lighting various flammable objects in your garage on fire. Also handy for igniting the grease inside a brake-drum you’re trying to get the bearing race out of.

    WHITWORTH SOCKETS: Once used for working on older cars and motorcycles, they are now used mainly for impersonating that 9/16 or 1/2 socket you’ve been searching for for the last 15 minutes.

    DRILL PRESS: A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching flat metal bar stock out of your hands so that it smacks you in the chest and flings your beer across the room, splattering it against that freshly painted part you were drying.

    WIRE WHEEL: Cleans rust off old bolts and then throws them somewhere under the workbench with the speed of light. Also removes fingerprint whorls and hard-earned guitar callouses in about the time it takes you to say, “F….”

    HYDRAULIC FLOOR JACK: Used for lowering car to the ground after you have installed your new front disk brake setup, trapping the jack handle firmly under the front wing (fender).

    EIGHT-FOOT LONG DOUGLAS FIR 2X4: Used for levering a car upward off a hydraulic jack.

    TWEEZERS: A tool for removing wood splinters.

    PHONE: Tool for calling your neighbour to see if he has another hydraulic floor jack.

    SNAP-ON GASKET SCRAPER: Theoretically useful as a sandwich tool for spreading mayonnaise; used mainly for getting dog-doo off your boot.

    BOLT AND STUD EXTRACTOR: A tool that snaps off in bolt holes and is ten times harder than any known drill bit.

    TIMING LIGHT: A stroboscopic instrument for illuminating grease buildup.

    TWO-TON HYDRAULIC ENGINE HOIST: A handy tool for testing the tensile strength of ground straps and brake lines you may have forgotten to disconnect.

    CRAFTSMAN 1/2 x 16-INCH SCREWDRIVER: A large motor mount prying tool that inexplicably has an accurately machined screwdriver tip on the end without the handle.

    BATTERY ELECTROLYTE TESTER: A handy tool for transferring sulfuric acid from a car battery to the inside of your toolbox after determining that your battery is dead as a doornail, just as you thought.

    AVIATION METAL SNIPS: See hacksaw.

    INSPECTION LIGHT: The mechanic’s own tanning booth. Sometimes called a drop light, it is a good source of vitamin D, “the sunshine vitamin,” which is not otherwise found under cars at night. Health benefits aside, its main purpose is to consume 40-watt light bulbs at about the same rate as 105-mm howitzer shells during the Battle of the Bulge. More often dark than light, its name is somewhat misleading.

    PHILLIPS SCREWDRIVER: Normally used to stab the lids of old-style paper-and-tin oil cans and splash oil on your shirt; can also be used, as the name implies, to round off Phillips screw heads.

    AIR COMPRESSOR: A machine that takes energy produced in a fossil-fuel burning power plant 200 miles away and transforms it into compressed air that travels by hose to a pneumatic impact wrench that grips rusty bolts last tightened 30 years ago by someone in Dagenham, and rounds them off.

    PRY (CROW) BAR: A tool used to crumple the metal surrounding that clip or bracket you needed to remove in order to replace a 50 cent part.

    HOSE CUTTER: A tool used to cut hoses 1/2 inch too short
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  66. notafan

    It is just extraordinary how lightheartedly Shorten is prepared to slug us all with a raft of higher taxes while pretended that legimate tax deductions are a rort of the first order.

    totally hypocritical of course , the man hasn’t modified his lifestyle one iota because of so called man made climate change

    and the attitude to the people that generate wealth with a three thousand dollar limit on tax accounting fees (bad luck for suckers that are subject to an audit) is not supported even by the head of the ATO as a measure that will lead to significant ‘savings’

    Another abuse of language by the left

    Meanwhile numbers tells us his trip the US was deductible

  67. Top Ender

    Nice Atoms!

    All your own work? Would like to put on Spacechook page.

  68. calli

    PLIERS: Used to round off bolt heads.

    Love it, Atoms.

    Is there a carpentry one?

  69. Some History

    Newsreader highlighting the next story for the chat room:

    “People who use disabled toilets”. If folk are using disabled toilets, the flush function won’t work. Yep, the chatters keep referring to “disabled toilets”.

  70. Atoms for Peace

    Found it posted on a Ford site . No idea of provenance

  71. OldOzzie

    Shorten should read his super plan’s fine print

    Judith Sloan


    I guess when you are planning to increase taxes by close to $387 billion over 10 years, some of the components might slip your mind. But when additional taxes on superannuation are expected to raise $34bn, it’s probably wise to be across the details.

    According to big-picture Bill Shorten, Labor has no plans to increase taxes on superannuation. Even when prodded on the topic, the Opposition Leader replied “we have no plans to increase taxes on superannuation”.

    In a desperate bid to spare his leader, finance spokesman Jim Chalmers said what Shorten meant was there were no plans for extra taxes on superannuation beyond those already announced. Good try — up there with “I don’t know what she said but I agree with whatever she said”.

    The changes to superannuation Labor is planning are draconian. The non-concessional cap will be reduced from $100,000 to $75,000, reducing the scope for individuals to amass a large enough superannuation balance to fully finance their retirements. There will also be a change to the Division 293 tax, which imposes a contribution tax of 30 per cent on high-income earners rather than the standard 15 per cent. The income above which this higher tax will apply will be reduced by Labor from $250,000 a year to $200,000, affecting 130,000 individuals.

    Labor wants to ditch catch-up contributions that allow rollover of unused concessional contributions on a five-year rolling basis. This new arrangement is useful to women who work part-time to look after young children. The abolition of the catch-up arrangements would affect about 230,000.

    The intention also is to remove the scope for deductible contributions which has replaced the unworkable work test and is available to those up to the age of 74. The number caught by this change is about 800,000.

    Of course, the Coalition doesn’t have clean hands on this stuff — it dramatically increased the taxation on superannuation at the 2016 budget as well as imposing a series of restrictive rules.

    But Labor wants to take this further as well as renege on some of the more recent positive changes made by the Coalition, such as the contributions catch-up and deductibility.

    The message for Shorten is: do your homework before making firm declarations that are false.

    Judith Sloan
    Contributing Economics Editor

  72. Tel

    Opposition Leader Bill Shorten says rugby authorities have acted appropriately.

    “There is no freedom to perpetuate hateful speech,” he told reporters in Sydney.

    … with the exception of anyone who owns a house … feel free to throw hateful envy in their direction.

  73. OldOzzie

    Atoms for Peace
    #2990269, posted on April 17, 2019 at 3:50 pm

    For those working on car projects

    HAYNES MANUAL – THE REAL MEANINGS

    For those of us that have ever used a Haynes Manual in attempting home maintenance of a car

    Thanks Atoms for Peace – yep sums it up perfectly

  74. calli

    There is no freedom to perpetuate hateful speech,” he told reporters in Sydney.

    BREAKING: Opposition Leader, Bill Shorten, announces that Christians may no longer quote Bible passages that offend other people. “Their freedoms are revoked”, he stated, adding that he is considering broadening legislation to include custodial sentences for sandwich board wearers and soapbox orators.

    “At the moment, this will only apply to Christians. The Labor Party sees no reason to unfairly punish anyone of any another faith, provided they refrain from public beheadings, knifings or driving erratically into pedestrians.”

    More to follow.

  75. OldOzzie

    Coalition must take on this unholy union

    Janet Albrechtsen


    What a dismal sight from an unholy alliance. Shadow industrial relations minister Brendan O’Connor crying crocodile tears for the country’s most militant union, the Construction, Forestry, Maritime, Mining and Energy Union, led by his brother Michael.

    Last week, O’Connor the politician said Labor believes in “one set of laws for all workers. It is fundamentally unfair that builders and construction workers have fewer rights than other Australians”. Dry your eyes, princess.

    His brother oversees an industry like no other in Australia. Its well-documented history is rife with intimidation, standover tactics, bullying and contempt for laws. Yet Labor is hellbent on getting rid of the Australian Building and Construction Commission and special-purpose laws aimed at cleaning up this industry.

    When will the Morrison government take the fight to Labor over this grand scam? The Prime Minister could start by making clear that Labor’s position is premised on an outrageous and incorrect claim that the country has “one set of laws for all workers”.

    Our legal system is built around sectoral regulation for different industries. We enact laws that are fit for purpose by tailoring them to meet the particular behaviour and individual needs of industries. Special-purpose industry regulators exist everywhere too. The Medical Board of Australia has extensive powers to regulate the conduct of doctors, the Nursing and Midwifery Board of Australia has strong powers over nurses, state law societies govern the activities of solicitors with a heavy hand. Even plumbers and electricians must be licensed.

    Add other pertinent facts next to O’Connor’s nonsensical claim that the construction industry is no different to any other. Since 2016, the ABCC, through the courts, has secured penalties of $7.9 million against the CFMEU and its officials, $3.1m in the last financial year alone.

    Yesterday the Federal Court imposed penalties on the CFMEU for ordering a blockade of a crane hire company that negotiated an agreement with workers that the union did not like. The court fined CFMEU national vice-president Michael Ravbar personally. Ravbar sits on Labor’s national executive. The court described the union as “recidivist” with a “continuing defiance of the law”.

    A fortnight ago the full Federal Court imposed a record $1.7m in penalties against the CFMEU for unlawful action by 1000 workers at the Barangaroo site in Sydney in 2014. The court previously found that the CFMEU forced a shutdown to support a union delegate who was suspended after throwing a punch at a site manager and threatening to kill him. Workers were intimidated, and an inspector was called “a f..king grub” and “lower than a p#dophile” by a union organiser. The court pointed to the union’s “intractable behaviour” and “substantial contravening history”.

    Last December, former CFMEU boss and Labor hotshot Dave Hanna was convicted in Brisbane’s District Court for destroying tonnes of documents sought by the trade union royal commission.

    A week earlier the Federal Court imposed $250,000 in penalties on the construction union and $44,000 on union official Joe Myles for threatening a blockade and other unlawful conduct at a Melbourne level crossing project.

    The day before that, the High Court refused the CFMEU leave to appeal a Federal Court decision imposing the maximum penalty of $306,000 on the union for unlawful conduct again by Hanna, the former Queensland president. Hanna broke right of entry laws, threatening to “bury” a mobile phone in a site manager’s throat. The federal circuit court judge described the union as “the most recidivist corporate offender in Australian history”.

    Last October, the Federal Court imposed a $313,000 penalty on the CFMEU for unlawful conduct towards Sydney concreting companies. Justice Geoffrey Flick said the CFMEU’s conduct showed that it regarded penalties for illegal behaviour as a “cost of doing business”.

    The full Federal Court has compared the CFMEU’s “systemic unlawful conduct” with the criminal history of the Builders Labourers Federation. Bob Hawke deregistered the BLF in 1986. Yet in 2019 Bill Shorten allows the most militant union in the country to use its naked political clout and its considerable financial power to extract political protection from the ALP.

    Since 2000-01, Labor has pocketed more than $11m from a union that has broken the law or been in contempt of court more than 100 times. And Labor Party policy overseen by O’Connor the politician will enable the CFMEU, run by O’Connor the union leader, to return Australian building sites to a reign of industrial terror after an election win. It is beyond unconscionable. If a brothers-in-arms gig involved a Coalition minister and a sibling boss at, say Rio Tinto or BHP or one of banks, with donations and influence flowing to secure special favours, we would scream about political corruption.

    So where is the fight by the Morrison government? The Coalition sorely needs political warriors who can point to the swath of new draconian penalties that apply solely to those who work in the financial services industry, as one of many examples of special-purpose regulation that apply to troubled industries. Under new laws, financial services licensees will be hit with huge fines if they fail to provide services “efficiently, honestly and fairly”. Can you imagine the unions’ squealing if they had an obligation to act “efficiently, honestly and fairly”?

    Big fines apply to financial services licensees who fail to notify the Australian Securities & Investments Commission of any significant breach of financial services laws. Imagine unions having an obligation to confess their breaches of the law. The CFMEU would have to create a 50-person division to comply with this obligation alone.

    And there are serious jail terms of up to 15 years for acting in bad faith, abusing a position or failing to comply with certain reporting provisions. What would unions say if they had a duty to act in “utmost good faith”? ASIC has special-purpose powers to supervise compliance with financial services laws, including a power to examine individuals under oath and in private, a power to require production of books and records, a power to hold hearings in public or private. And ASIC can ban or disqualify individuals from the financial services industry.

    O’Connor’s incorrect claim about “one set of laws for all workers” points to Labor’s sneering contempt for voters, imagining that we are too stupid or too busy to notice Labor’s rank hypocrisy.

    Shorten supported industry-specific laws imposing rigorous accountability obligations on bank executives where the special-purpose regulator, the Australian Prudential Regulation Authority, can disqualify errant bankers from the industry. Directors have an obligation to deal with APRA in “an open, constructive and co-operative way”. But Labor rejects similar standards for union leaders. How can Labor get away with this scam? Because, by and large, politicians can lie about their policies without legal penalty. Politicians are not subject to laws that apply to others prohibiting misleading and deceptive conduct, and they want to keep it that way. But that is another story.

    At the very least the Morrison government should ensure voters understand O’Connor’s con job, so that there might be a political penalty imposed on Shorten and Labor at the ballot box.

  76. Mother Lode

    “There is no freedom to perpetuate hateful speech,” he told reporters in Sydney.

    1) Folau’s words were exhortations for people to spare themselves eternal agony. He did not wish them to burn in hell, nor say it does’t matter if they burn. He certainly never said anyone should assault them, kill them, discriminate against them, even unfriend them on spacechook. There is more hate speech in a single episode of Q&A, you gnome headed munt.

    2) People who are religious will recognise even if they do not share Folau’s comments.

    3) People who are not religious and do not believe in heaven or hell would not feel threatened by what he said. In fact, in my experience most people who are not religious are not fervently anti-religious. They are indifferent to it.

    4) Only a few people have an anti-religious agenda. They took the opportunity to persecute Folau. There was more hate in their response than Folau’s comment.

    5) Shorten is still a gnome headed munt. There is absolutely no indication this will ever change.

  77. calli

    you gnome headed munt.

    Well, that’s your freedom gone, right there.

  78. Geriatric Mayfly

    Presidential Hopeful Marianne Williamson Proposes Federal ‘Department of Peace Creation’ PJMedia

    The First Law of Human Dynamics. Peace can neither be created nor destroyed.

  79. Percy Popinjay

    Polar bears, drones and a documentary film crew may have been responsible for a mass suicide of walruses that a David ­Atten­borough documentary has blamed on climate change.

    Controversy has dogged the WWF-sponsored program since it was launched on Netflix this month with footage of walruses plunging to their deaths over a sea cliff in Siberia.

    In the Our Planet documentary, Sir David said the walruses had been driven to the cliffs because of melting sea ice.

    From the Oz.

  80. Bruce of Newcastle

    Climate plan won’t ‘cost’ economy: Shorten

    “We are going to grow because we are going to move to a lower carbon pollution economy and there’s other aspects which means that we will grow, but the modelling has been done.”

    I’ve worked with hundreds of computer and financial models. I am completely sure that that model would be the worst and silliest that I’ve ever seen.

    Change my mind Mr Shorten. If you send it to Sinc I’m sure Sinc would be happy to email it to me to have a look at. Excel 2010 format pls.

  81. calli

    A “mass suicide” of walruses?

    They took a look at wee Davey and chose death?

    Smart beasts.

  82. zyconoclast

    Looks like a get of of jail free card.

    [UK] Criminals with a wide range of mental health conditions and learning difficulties could receive more lenient sentences under guidelines being issued to judges and magistrates.

    Conditions ranging from schizophrenia to post traumatic stress disorder, and low IQ to dyslexia, ought to be taken into consideration when a court is deciding what punishment to hand out, according to proposals being introduced by the Sentencing Council.

    Inmate vs national average IQ graph

  83. Arky

    There is no freedom to perpetuate hateful speech

    ..
    The idea that you could or should go through life without being hated is the most totalitarian ideology since Pol Pot’s Year Zero.

  84. DrBeauGan

    The idea that you could or should go through life without being hated is the most totalitarian ideology since Pol Pot’s Year Zero.

    Eunuchs naturally hate men in general and me in particular. Fortunately, I don’t give a stuff about the feelings of eunuchs.

  85. zyconoclast

    Looks like a get of jail free card.

    UK Criminals with a wide range of mental health conditions and learning difficulties could receive more lenient sentences under guidelines being issued to judges and magistrates.

    Conditions ranging from schizophrenia to post traumatic stress disorder, and low IQ to dyslexia, ought to be taken into consideration when a court is deciding what punishment to hand out, according to proposals being introduced by the Sentencing Council.

    Inmate IQ vs National average IQ graph

  86. Roger

    “We are going to grow because we are going to move to a lower carbon pollution economy and there’s other aspects which means that we will grow, but the modelling has been done.”

    Just like…magic!

  87. Roger

    Found it posted on a Ford site . No idea of provenance

    The reference to Dagenham, where UK Fords were/are(?) assembled, suggests an English provenance.

  88. zyconoclast

    Congolese Migrants Monitored for Ebola Along Texas Border, Says Official

    A public health official in Laredo, Texas, said 20 Congolese migrants were monitored for Ebola and other diseases in shelters in his city and across the Mexican border in Nuevo Laredo, Tamaulipas. Shortly after his announcement during a Laredo City Council meeting, the World Health Organization (WHO) considered declaring a “global emergency” in response to a massive outbreak of Ebola in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

  89. RobK

     and there’s other aspects which means that we will grow,
    Oh, ok then.

  90. Speedbox

    Bravo Atoms.
    Brought back some memories.

  91. jupes

    When will the Morrison government take the fight to Labor over this grand scam?

    LOL

  92. Mother Lode

    “We are going to grow because we are going to move to a lower carbon pollution economy and there’s other aspects which means that we will grow, but the modelling has been done.”

    Lower Pollution -> ? -> economic growth

    Compare:

    Steal underpants -> ? -> profit

    I tell you, he is a gnome.

    Oh, and Bill? CO2 is not pollution

    Not everything that goes into the air is pollution. CO2 going into the air is no more pollution than O2 transpired by plants. It is a tiny local change dwarfed (gnomed?) by ancient natural cycles, near as old as the Earth itself, by which they are processed.

  93. zyconoclast

    GetUp has been forced to amend its instruction guide for volunteers after the activist group’s boss was caught in an embarrassing interview in which he was unable to justify claims that Treasurer Josh Frydenberg was “part of the coup” against Malcolm Turnbull.

    GetUp – which has amassed a donations war chest of $12.5 million in the past year – has now scrapped references to the coup in its guide for volunteers in Mr Frydenberg’s electorate, and instead says the deputy Liberal leader was “part of the chaos in Canberra”.

  94. Mother Lode

    Congolese Migrants Monitored for Ebola Along Texas Border, Says Official

    You just know that there are people out there who will see this as raaaaacist because they are focussing on Congolese, unable to process that it is a contagion in the Congo but not, say, Honduras.

  95. jupes

    “We are going to grow because we are going to move to a lower carbon pollution economy and there’s other aspects which means that we will grow, but the modelling has been done.”

    In a rational world, this would be the point where journalists bring up the real world example of South Australia.

  96. Leigh Lowe

    To date all the emphasis has been on the offence given to unrepentant homosexuals; but will nobody think of the pain of the adulterers, liars, fornicators, thieves, atheists and idolators?

    Exactly.
    Does anyone know if there is any right of appeal on the Day of Final Judgement?
    Has anyone drafted pleas of mitigation for liars, drunks and thieves?
    Can one get a sentence downgraded from eternal damnation in hell to a fixed term in purgatory, and can sentences on multiple counts be served concurrently?
    Asking for a friend, of course.

  97. thefrollickingmole

    Mother Lode

    Underpants Bill.

    “We are going to grow because we are shifting to decentralized, intermittent and grid destabilizing methods of generating electricity and that, combined with an all out jihad against any business turning a profit in Austfailia means we will become a banana republic by the end of my second term, But Ill be right mate”

    You can see why they work-shopped it into its final form, the original doesnt run off the tongue as easily.

  98. Arky

    but will nobody think of the pain of the adulterers, liars, fornicators, thieves, atheists and idolators?

    ..
    I believe I have done most near all of that.
    It wasn’t anywhere as near as much fun as you might think.
    ..

    Does anyone know if there is any right of appeal on the Day of Final Judgement?

    ..
    I don’t know, but I will certainly be arguing my case.

  99. jupes

    “We are going to grow because we are going to move to a lower carbon pollution economy and there’s other aspects which means that we will grow, but the modelling has been done.”

    How depressing is it to realise that we live in a country where someone can not only spruik such utter rubbish without ridicule, but can realistically expect that a majority of their countrymen will elect them to govern the country.

    Have we gone mad? What a disgrace to previous generations.

  100. Colonel Crispin Berka

    The left-leaning Juice Media have another Honest Government video out.
    It’s a justice-for-Julian type message.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1efOs0BsE0g

    They are, of course, obviously correct.
    Let’s not allow our usual political differences to divide us on this matter of rare agreement between lefties and libertarians. Julian and his informants helped keep governments more accountable for a decade and now FVEY has emerged from the swamp, unchallenged by Trump, to take their revenge.
    Am I being unfairly cynical in assuming he will not receive a lenient punishment, let alone a fair trial?

  101. jupes

    but will nobody think of the pain of the adulterers, liars, fornicators, thieves, atheists and idolators?

    Don’t forget the drunks. We have feelings too you know.

  102. Entropy

    Roger
    #2990318, posted on April 17, 2019 at 5:17 pm
    “We are going to grow because we are going to move to a lower carbon pollution economy and there’s other aspects which means that we will grow, but the modelling has been done.”

    Just like…magic!

    Bill Barnacle and the magic pudding.

  103. Arky:

    but will nobody think of the pain of the adulterers, liars, fornicators, thieves, atheists and idolators?

    ..
    I believe I have done most near all of that.
    It wasn’t anywhere as near as much fun as you might think.

    Then you were doing it wrong, mate.

  104. Leigh Lowe

    Congolese Migrants Monitored for Ebola Along Texas Border, Says Official

    My old Jacaranda Atlas doesn’t show the Congo next door to Texas.
    How can this be?

  105. Arky

    Then you were doing it wrong, mate.

    Lol.

  106. thefrollickingmole

    Literally the stupidest thing you will read this week.

    Nothing else will come close.

    Notre Dame: we can’t even burn a building down without everyone carrying on like idiots any more
    First Dog on the Moon

    Hes seriously saying “White man ISIS” and the place deserved to burn down because “Catholic Church”.

  107. Bruce of Newcastle

    Nice wheels.
    WWII MILITARY MIGHT LEADS WANGI ANZAC PARADE
    The Stuart tank gets a miserly 50 L per 100 km. Sounds like Anzac Day at Wangi will be fun!

  108. jupes

    Let’s not allow our usual political differences to divide us on this matter of rare agreement between lefties and libertarians.

    Lefties and libertarians agree on a great many things. Homo marriage and open borders are two obvious examples. Now it seems that we can add that you are both cool with stealing military secrets and giving them to the enemy as another.

  109. DrBeauGan

    but will nobody think of the pain of the adulterers, liars, fornicators, thieves, atheists and idolators?

    ..
    I believe I have done most near all of that.
    It wasn’t anywhere as near as much fun as you might think.

    Then you were doing it wrong, mate.

    I don’t believe idolatry is much fun no matter how you do it. If you know a way, tell us about it.

    Asking for a fiend again.

  110. jupes

    Beaugy why are you in the dark?

  111. Leigh Lowe

    Does the sodomer cop the same whack as the sodomee?

  112. calli

    Can someone please take Andrew Marlton’s crayons away from him? He’s eating them again.

    Tah.

  113. Frank

    Am I being unfairly cynical in assuming he will not receive a lenient punishment, let alone a fair trial?

    April sun in Cuba more like.

  114. John Constantine

    Cancer Bill shorten has locked in the solid numbers that count:

    How much extra money their ABC will get as cronies of their looting cartel, and how well cash for comment pays among Comrade Maaaaates.

  115. Arky

    I don’t believe idolatry is much fun no matter how you do it. If you know a way, tell us about it.
    Asking for a fiend again.

    ..
    You liar, Satan.
    The gall of you, writing that at the very moment you are naked, covered in blood and feeding burning virgins to the 20 foot statue of Moloch you keep in the backyard.

  116. RobK

    Beaugy why are you in the dark?
    He is being a black hole. Look closely.

  117. calli

    Beaugy why are you in the dark?

    He’s smoking a cigar and being creepy.

  118. Roger

    Vegan activists arrested and charged in QLD.

  119. bespoke

    adulterers, liars, fornicators, thieves, atheists and idolators?

    Is there a express door? I don’t want to be held up or associated with the rest of you.

  120. mh

    Charlie De Mar
    @CharlieDeMar
    Texts messages from State’s Attorney Kim Foxx to staff about two weeks before charges were dropped on Jussie Smollett.

    Refers to Smollett as a “washed up celeb who lied to cops.”

    Texts obtained through FOIA request.

    @cbschicago

    https://twitter.com/CharlieDeMar/status/1118296347256422400?s=20

  121. Tel

    The left-leaning Juice Media have another Honest Government video out.
    It’s a justice-for-Julian type message.

    Yeah I liked that one. They aren’t too sharp on anything related to economics, but at least they understand basic human freedom … a start!

  122. Spider

    Holy crap. Van Badham on The Drum could play the didgeridoo under water for half and hour and not draw breath.

  123. Roger

    We are going to grow because we are going to move to a lower carbon pollution economy and there’s other aspects which means that we will grow, but the modelling has been done.”

    Well, that’s alright then.

    For a moment there I thought he was going to ruin the economy.

  124. Spider

    Poor old Gray Connolly on The Drum barely getting a look in.

  125. DrBeauGan

    jupes
    #2990356, posted on April 17, 2019 at 6:26 pm
    Beaugy why are you in the dark?

    As noted, you have to click on it to see the black hole. It’s a bit faint.

    Actually, it’s a selfie of me smoking a cigar in the dark. Which raises the question, does God smoke cigars a few hundred lightyears across?

    He did give us tobacco. And some Amerindian thought of rolling a leaf of it into a tube, lighting one end and putting the other end in his mouth, not the sort of idea many people would have, so divine inspiration may be on the cards here.

  126. Atoms for Peace

    Will we at least get to wave to the Indians and Chinese as they accelerate up the lift of cheap energy whilst we plunge the other way?

  127. Dr Faustus

    Does the sodomer cop the same whack as the sodomee?

    I believe that the question of a reach-around comes into play.

  128. DrBeauGan

    The gall of you, writing that at the very moment you are naked, covered in blood and feeding burning virgins to the 20 foot statue of Moloch you keep in the backyard.

    That’s not idolatry. That’s human sacrifice. Different thing altogether, and not on Izzy’s list, so I should be OK.

  129. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Rail giant Aurizon launches campaign against protestors
    Domanii Cameron, EXCLUSIVE, The Courier-Mail
    April 17, 2019 6:33am
    Subscriber only

    AN extraordinary campaign targeting anti-coal activists has been launched by one of Australia’s largest rail companies amid revelations that protesters locking themselves to train tracks were now a primary safety concern.

    Aurizon will today launch its ‘Don’t put your life on the line’ safety campaign to help protect its drivers, particularly those living in regional Queensland.

    CEO Andrew Harding said it was only a matter of time before someone was killed while protesting near rail lines, with people needing to understand that near-misses had a traumatic impact on train drivers.

    “Trauma and mental health remain one of the rail industry’s biggest challenges for its driver community and can have flow on effects for their families as well,” he said.

    “We don’t want our drivers bearing the emotional burden for something that could have been prevented and potentially being so traumatised they can’t return to work or drive a train again.”

    The campaign launch, which also aims to raise general community awareness about safety, coincides with the Bob Brown Foundation’s Stop Adani convoy that leaves Hobart today.

    The convoy will protest against the Carmichael coal mine as it travels north to central Queensland before hosting a “special event” in the Galilee area on April 28.

    It’s the first time Aurizon has launched such an extensive safety campaign following years of dangerous protesting, including by the Stop Adani movement, along rail corridors.

    We continue to rise to new heights of fvckwittery..

  130. Knuckle Dragger

    Dear God, but you can just tell that Whatsisname that writes that First Dog shit has never been off bitumen in his entire life, let alone to be in any position to comment on the big scary world outside.

    ‘sacred birthing trees’

    Sacred to who? I bet they weren’t sacred before someone thought to improve our road system, and that there might be a dollar in it. Besides, they’re trees. By that rationale every time someone had a nap under them they would be Sacred Dreaming Trees for all eternity.

    ‘you can’t rebuild an 800 year old tree. You can rebuild a cathedral’

    First, those weeds are not 800 years old. Second, they’re trees. You can replant trees, as many as you like. You can’t replant a cathedral.

    ‘Australia’s most cultural icon’

    No it isn’t. No one gave a rat’s arse about Ayers Rock before thousands of whiteys started to turn up to gawk at it, least of all the local blackfellas – they didn’t want a bar of it. As far as I’m concerned they can ban climbing it all they like, thus shitting in their own faces due to evaporated tourist revenue.

    By the way, the local indigines around the Rock have not been there for 40,000 years. The original tribe, based around what is now Mutitjulu contracted the Spanish flu in 1919. The neighbouring tribe, seeing the easy pickings, moved in and wiped them out. They’re the ones who reaped the considerable touristy rewards.

    If Mr First Dog set foot anywhere near Ayers Rock he’d be killed and eaten before his boots were dusty.

  131. amortiser

    We are going to grow because we are going to move to a lower carbon pollution economy and there’s other aspects which means that we will grow, but the modelling has been done

    Their modelling showed that by September 2018 the Maldives would disappear below the waves.
    In September 2018 there was no discernible difference in the Maldives to what existed in Sept 1988 when the modelling was done.

    Shorten is talking through his hat. They should ask him to release all the modelling details or brand him as another lying charlatan.

  132. Knuckle Dragger

    Dear Aurizon,

    Please give me a job as a train driver.

    I promise not to be traumatised.

    Your clean up crew will need some empty wheat bags, two shovels and a rake.

    KD
    God Emperor
    Bringer of Coal to the Poor

  133. Mark A

    DrBeauGan
    #2990379, posted on April 17, 2019 at 6:47 pm

    He did give us tobacco. And some Amerindian thought of rolling a leaf of it into a tube, lighting one end and putting the other end in his mouth, not the sort of idea many people would have, so divine inspiration may be on the cards here.

    Like the drift of your thoughts, but the cold plain facts are a lot more mundane.

    After burning some tobaccer leaves in the fire, they noticed the soothing effect.

    Only a small step from there for a sharp thinking and enterprising shaman to work out how to concentrate the smoke.
    First they burned it in a clay pot ‘indoors’.
    And then the pipe and the cigar was born.

  134. DrBeauGan

    That’s not idolatry. That’s human sacrifice. Different thing altogether, and not on Izzy’s list, so I should be OK.

    Actually, there are quite a few activities not on Izzy’s list, including peedofeelyer, murder, and renovating a model A Ford. All these and many more deserve an eternity in Hell, I’d have thought.

  135. jo

    jupes
    #2990346, posted on April 17, 2019 at 6:18 pm

    but will nobody think of the pain of the adulterers, liars, fornicators, thieves, atheists and idolators?

    Don’t forget the drunks. We have feelings too you know.

    Only the next day.

  136. Dr Faustus

    That’s not idolatry. That’s human sacrifice. Different thing altogether, and not on Izzy’s list, so I should be OK.

    I’m a bit concerned that covetousness has been left off the official list.
    And the requirement to honour thy father and mother.

    Given the size of the stakes, I feel it is important that Mz Castle and Peter Beatty give us an opinion on those, too.

  137. Protecting them from what? There should not be any outdoor smoking bans. They are just one nasty consequence of a deranged prohibitionist crusade. Again, the baseless nonsense – that people need to be protected from wisps of smoke outdoors (and in an area where cars travel) – that produced the senseless tragedy in the first place is again propagated as fact and without question. The madness continues.

    It is indeed insane. City pollution is just as bad as smoking, yet we don’t ban cities.

  138. OldOzzie

    Bill Shorten refuses to put cost on climate change policy

    Greg Brown
    Journalist


    Bill Shorten says the economy will grow by 23 per cent under Labor’s 45 per cent emissions reduction target, but has refused to put a cost on his climate change policy.

    The Opposition Leader said his emissions reductions target would come at no further cost to the economy as the Coalition’s 26 per cent target because Labor would allow companies to buy international offsets.

    He also hit back at the “characterisation” there would be an economic cost to his policy.

    “I don’t accept the characterisation that it is a cost. We’re going to grow. And we’re going to grow because we are going to move to a lower carbon pollution economy,” the Opposition Leader said.

    “We will see across the 2020s, as a result of our energy policies and our climate policies, GDP growth of about 23 per cent,” Mr Shorten said.

    “We will allow companies to purchase offsets if they need to, if they can’t meet the carbon emission reductions by changes in productivity in the workplaces.”

    Mr Shorten did not say where the 23 per cent figure came from or what the growth figure would be under the current policy settings.

    The Opposition Leader this morning quoted modelling by Australian National University professor Warwick McKibbin, who argued Labor’s policy would cost the same as the Coalition’s 26 per cent target.

    “In terms of our proposals, modelling by Warwick McKibbin has shown that our 45 per cent reduction, including international offsets, has the same economic impact as the Liberals’ 26 per cent, who are not having international offsets. So there you go,” Mr Shorten told ABC radio.

    Mr Shorten the cost of natural disasters as a result of climate change was $18 billion.

    “So there is a cost to not taking action,” Mr Shorten said.

    “Power prices have gone up across Australia. That is because we don’t have a national energy policy. This government has had 13 different energy policies. When there is no certainty on energy policy people don’t invest in new energy.”

    Yesterday, Mr Shorten had a fiery exchange with a journalist over his refusal to say the cost of his 45 per cent target.

  139. None

    Gray a little Sharis law is good for you Connolly getting beaten up by fat arsed fat mouth Van Badham is probably the only good thing that has ever happened on the Drum. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a lawyer that spends so much time on Twitter off other wise self-promoting as Conolly apart from that that other fuckwit Michael Tyice – a fifth columnist Liberal Party member if I ever saw one (basically agreeing gay masquerading as a conservative and part of the anti-democratic Cabal in the New South Wales liberals).

  140. Haynes: Refitting is the reverse sequence to removal.

    FMD that alone has seen my blood pressure spike.

    Most of the special tools you get if they aren’t proprietary are a %$#&ing joke.

  141. None

    *a greenie gay masquerading as a conservative

    In one classic exchange Eyewitness between him and another tweep whuch I recall Tiyce basically said he does not hold the Australian Constitution. Yes folks that’s the New South Wales Liberal Party.

  142. Arky

    That’s not idolatry.

    ..
    I would guess most idolatry involved sacrifice.

  143. Arky

    Those idols didn’t feed themselves you know.
    What am I saying? Of course you knew, you trickster.

  144. None

    I can’t believe well yes I can tbat Bill Shorten just stands there and spouts the biggest load of absolute f****** b******* and lies and that our media are just so dull and fuckwitted that they actually treat his statements with some seriousness instead of just laughing in his face and asking for his psychiatric clearance to stand for parliament.

  145. None

    The ultimate form of idolatry is homosexuality. It’s the ultimate form of narcissism and self-adulation. Discuss.

  146. It’s high time the game was returned to the domain of skinny effete white scarf draggers.

    That’s the backline.

    Funny how it is considered the same sport, they have time to coif their hair on every play.

  147. Infidel Tiger

    Gray a little Sharis law is good for you Connolly getting beaten up by fat arsed fat mouth Van Badham is probably the only good thing that has ever happened on the Drum. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a lawyer that spends so much time on Twitter off other wise self-promoting as Conolly apart from that that other fuckwit Michael Tyice – a fifth columnist Liberal Party member if I ever saw one (basically agreeing gay masquerading as a conservative and part of the anti-democratic Cabal in the New South Wales liberals).

    You really are rabid.

    Gray Connolly is one of the few redeeming people on Twitter and a very sound fellow. His biggest flaw been a blind spot for Turnbull.

  148. OldOzzie

    Haynes

    AVIATION METAL SNIPS: See hacksaw.

    3 sets purchased from Sears in US in late 70s (ie US made not Chinese Crap)

    Straight, left curve and right curve – great tools – still in use – used on Bondek Formwork for Extension

  149. Those idols didn’t feed themselves you know.

    Tiamat (Bel and the Dragon) is actually a pretty good story (judged as a pure literary story) in the bible.

  150. C.L.

    Has that journalist who Willeseed Bill Shorten been served a breach notice by the Arts & Media Alliance yet?

  151. Colonel Crispin Berka

    jupes.

    No, you’re confused about the facts. Assange didn’t steal anything. His anonymous contributors certainly did, and in the case of Bradley Manning has received a punishment of the sort you might approve of. The military literally cut the guy’s balls off and then claimed Mr Manning had requested for that to be done – as a gender reassignment – and everyone believed this cover story. Amazing.

    I don’t know what kinds of vital military secrets you’re referring to, maybe the Embassy “cablegate”, or the Iraq war logs about casualties in past operations, but the answer in the end is the same. The information was old enough by the time it was published that no ongoing operation was compromised and no individual was identified. Besides, the OPSEC ends where the journalist’s nose begins. If the secret gets far enough to be smelled by the media you’ve already lost. Telling the taxpayers how their money is being spent is desirable but so is preventing the enemy learning how much they’re exposed. Them’s the breaks, and Assange has always maintained that Wikileaks releases were delayed or redacted to the extent needed to balance those two different goals, which conflict with each other.

    There’s always the possibility that Wikileaks got used for Information Operations by the USA too, and how would we ever know? It works both ways.

  152. None

    That’s quite a flaw, Infidel tiger, but your Mr Redemption also sat there and argued – in writing – that a little Sharia law is good for us. Basically Grey Connolly is a pompous asked fuckwitted version of Jonathan Green. In other words they were both separated at birth. At least Jonathan Green has the decency not to run for parliament. Connolly’s indecent exposure is there for all to see.

  153. Colonel Crispin Berka

    My reply to jupes is in moderation.
    It doesn’t even contain any state secrets.
    Sheesh.

  154. None

    Bel and the dragon is actually not part of the Bible. It’s sort of like a fanciful Greek addition the book of Daniel and does not carry any authority as scripture. But otherwise yes you can call it a great story.

  155. Basically Grey Connolly is a pompous asked fuckwitted version of Jonathan Green. In other words they were both separated at birth. At least Jonathan Green has the decency not to run for parliament.

    I applaud your drive to see conservatism succeed in Australia, but you can be enthusiastic without engaging in a holy war.

  156. C.L.

    I love aviation snips. They’ve never let me down yet.

  157. Elle

    The ultimate form of idolatry is homosexuality. It’s the ultimate form of narcissism and self-adulation. Discuss.

    Now to become the most hated person on the Cat … if I wasn’t already.

    Let’s discuss your closeted lesbian tendencies, None.

    Discuss.

  158. John Constantine

    https://thewest.com.au/business/energy/carnegie-clean-energy-director-grant-mooney-agrees-to-back-collapsed-wave-power-developer-to-progress-rescue-plan-ng-b881139469z?fbclid=IwAR25mpBOAVMdRsUQngT_j5nfrxCmcvq70DB406O9VD9XC9855Oec8qatNTU

    CCE carnegie ruinables ran out of cash.

    Restructuring for another crack, and under a shorten cartel pushing 50% ruinables, there will be a big pot of cash to have a crack at.

    Current creditors get ten cents in the dollar and currenr shareholders get a chance to put fresh money into the recapitalisation.

    Been a long time since i traded this one.

  159. bespoke

    Ill never hate you Elle unless you steal my booze.

  160. Des Deskperson
    #2990119, posted on April 17, 2019 at 12:14 pm

    I’m off to the NSW south coast.

    Home of ferals, ‘coasties’ – a term of abuse strongly implying laziness and fecklessness – NIMBY ex Canberra public servants and para-academics and rates-ravenous municipalities

    Back next week.

    It is a great place that (can) get(s) too cold in winter, has inadequate roads and is suffocating under anti development policy.

    I’d suggest somewhere it is better than but I wouldn’t want to hurt your feelings.

  161. calli

    The ultimate form of idolatry

    “It’s all about you”

  162. Elle

    Bespoke, am happy to share with you.:)

  163. Nick

    Met up with the Melbourne brains trust today, two things I can say:

    1. George Pell is bearing up well in prison. The source is impeccable
    2. An ex classmate of Bill Shortens’ not moved to negativity, didn’t like him one bit at school. I didn’t get any more except saying something about character.

  164. The thing I like about Watson is the gimmicks, sarcasm are not over done unlike Sargon who seems to needy to show how smart he is.

    Ease up bespoke. I’d say the opposite, and I like PJW more. Sargon usually needs to get to the bloody point.

    If Sargon was like PJW he probably would face no chance of getting elected as an MEP for UKIP.

    Trump style campaigns might work for party leaders and executive elections, but probably not not for MP/MEP plebs.

    What is hilarious of course is that Sargon is viewed as “far right”. He’s left of me on most issues. He’s a classical liberal and that equates to a moderate libertarian.

  165. C.L.

    Rod Dreher has an interesting piece today that links to a First Things article about a British convert to Islam. Dreher: Why Convert To Islam?

    Via Instapundit.

    So what is going on with this phenomenon?
    Simple: Christian churches have become subjectivist, banal, stupid and self-loathing.
    And formerly great bastions of Christian culture have become toilets.
    This convert – Jacob Williams – is a very intelligent man:

    Anomie was one thing; the ferocious renunciation of tradition I encountered at university was quite another. I had hoped that the spiritual emptiness of wider society was a result of ignorance, and that the ­academy—especially the ancient, venerable, Gothic academy of Oxford—had preserved what I vaguely imagined was my country’s noble heritage. Studying philosophy did provide some engagement with an intellectual inheritance, but for anyone moderately interested in public life, the campus movements for “social justice” were impossible to ignore. All of these—whether their goal was the liberation of women, of LGBT persons, or of ethnic minorities—seemed to have the same vision of man: a deracinated, protean aggregate of desires. These movements gained in strength every year. ­Formerly apolitical spaces were distorted by the need to appease one demand after another. The culture of the university, once imbued with the brash boyishness of the English public schools, now accommodated the sterile, strenuous inclusivity of progressive zealots.

    After three years of this, I was frustrated and alienated. I needed a purpose. Philosophy classes had sharpened my inquiries, but they didn’t rectify the meaninglessness all around me. My utopian peers found their purpose in crusades against racism and homophobia, but their contempt for England revolted me. I chose a different course and embarked on a search for God.

    At First Things: Why I became a Muslim.

  166. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I’m transcribing my great uncles war dairies. He’ s witnessing the opening barrage at El Alamein, and thinking “God help Jerry, copping that lot.”

  167. Roger

    The ultimate form of idolatry is homosexuality. It’s the ultimate form of narcissism and self-adulation.

    There’s certainly something to be said for that, but the scriptures – Romans 1 – actually present the prevalence of homosexuality in a society as God’s judgement on an already existing idolatry:

    For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened… Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity, to the degrading of their bodies with one another.

  168. Tel

    If Sargon was like PJW he probably would face no chance of getting elected as an MEP for UKIP.

    You do realize that an MEP has no power whatsoever … and everything the EU does is totally undemocratic?

    They let you sit there and now and then give a speech … usually if you are from an unpopular party most of the others simply walk out while you talk. Your vote as an MEP means nothing, just like the votes of the people who put you there.

  169. bespoke

    Frank of Tiles

    Sargon usually needs to get to the bloody point.

    Yep.

  170. The ultimate form of idolatry is homosexuality. It’s the ultimate form of narcissism and self-adulation.

    Please explain the bear/twink coupling phenomena with the same reasoning. Also butch/femme coupling in female same sex relationships.

  171. Tintarella di Luna

    Just watching Peter Ridd with Professor Peter Ridd the Sunbather said he’s giving the Chancellor of James Cook University the long-handle. Good on him.

  172. Tintarella di Luna

    I mean just watching Andrew Bolt — but you knew that right?

  173. Roger

    Please explain the bear/twink coupling phenomena with the same reasoning. Also butch/femme coupling in female same sex relationships.

    The tribute vice pays to virtue.

  174. The ultimate form of idolatry is homosexuality. It’s the ultimate form of narcissism and self-adulation.

    What I’m saying above is that this can only be true if there is no sexual dimorphism between partners.

    What about white nationalists who wax lyrical about white women’s beauty and virtue?

    Aren’t they just telling us about their mothers?

  175. bespoke

    Met up with the Melbourne brains trust today

    Not possible.

  176. cohenite

    Aren’t they just telling us about their mothers?

    No.

  177. Colonel Crispin Berka

    Are Liberty Quotes required to be quotes from real people expressing earnestly held opinions?
    Because otherwise surely this quote from parody account Titania McGrath would be a shoo-in.

    “I’m attempting to destroy the capitalist system from within, and the only way I can do that is to make a shit-load of cash.” – in the Spectator, 2 March 2019.

  178. DrBeauGan

    I’ve known plenty of homoxuals and counted some as friends. But I reckon what the blokes get up to is pretty unhygienic and disgusting. I’m not going to condemn them, but I sure won’t celebrate them either. Face it, they’ve got some wires crossed.

  179. Infidel Tiger

    That’s quite a flaw, Infidel tiger, but your Mr Redemption also sat there and argued – in writing – that a little Sharia law is good for us. Ba

    There’s much about Sharia to agree with.

    The Abrahamic faiths all share some core values.

  180. DrBeauGan

    Titania McGrath is actually trying to destroy leftism from within, and her strategy is to be a total idiot. Unfortunately, out idioting lefties is bloody hard.

  181. Elle

    I’ve known plenty of homoxuals and counted some as friends. But I reckon what the blokes get up to is pretty unhygienic and disgusting. I’m not going to condemn them, but I sure won’t celebrate them either. Face it, they’ve got some wires crossed.

    I have said here that I have many gay friends and work colleges.

    I raised the issue, with some of them, the issue of sodomy that gets mentioned here more than any forum I have visited.

    I only spoke to four couples. I could take on the task of interviewing many more. But for now, I didn’t and was advised by two of the four couples they don’t engage in the rear end action.

    Are they still condemned?

    What about lesbians?

    Is it only about the bottom end?

    I need to add, I am not a supporter of the extreme ideology that advocates the safe schools program.

  182. Tel

    There’s much about Sharia to agree with.

    The Abrahamic faiths all share some core values.

    The old banking laws are still in place, which have largely been abandoned elsewhere.

    In a nutshell, under Sharia the lender must retain ownership over what is purchased by the loan (therefore the lender is partaking in the risk) and can only make a profit by rental similar to hire purchase … not by direct charge of interest on the money. Whether you see that as a dodge is a bit open to interpretation. If the loan is successful, there’s hardly any difference with modern banking. If the loan goes wrong, the winding up process under Sharia is harder on the lender and a bit lighter on the borrower than how banks typically work under secular Western law these days. We are probably gradually trying to re-adjust that balance but it’s been going the way of direct government interference … which never works.

  183. Infidel Tiger

    Are they still condemned?

    What about lesbians?

    Yes and yes.

    We are all sinners.

  184. DrBeauGan

    Mark A
    #2990394, posted on April 17, 2019 at 6:58 pm
    DrBeauGan
    #2990379, posted on April 17, 2019 at 6:47 pm

    He did give us tobacco. And some Amerindian thought of rolling a leaf of it into a tube, lighting one end and putting the other end in his mouth, not the sort of idea many people would have, so divine inspiration may be on the cards here.

    Like the drift of your thoughts, but the cold plain facts are a lot more mundane.

    After burning some tobaccer leaves in the fire, they noticed the soothing effect.

    Only a small step from there for a sharp thinking and enterprising shaman to work out how to concentrate the smoke.
    First they burned it in a clay pot ‘indoors’.
    And then the pipe and the cigar was born.

    You take all the fun out of theology. And there wasn’t much to start with.

  185. mh

    Charlie Kirk
    @charliekirk11
    ·
    Apr 13
    It is miraculous that Trump not only beat the Bush dynasty, 16 Republicans, the FBI, the media, voter fraud cheaters, the political class, Clinton dynasty, the Obamas, the elites in BOTH parties, but he also beat tech companies that used their platforms to try and beat him

    Julian Assange told John Pilger before the 2016 election that this was the reason he could not see Trump winning. Assange stated that Trump had no “establishment” behind him, with the exception of the evangelicals.

    It was enough, praise God.

  186. Elle

    Yes and yes.

    We are all sinners.

    Touché.

  187. Roger

    Face it, they’ve got some wires crossed.

    This was self-evident to most people until fairly recently.

    Non PC biology still informs us that the anus is not designed (if you will) for penetration but for excretion.

  188. Mark A

    DrBeauGan
    #2990459, posted on April 17, 2019 at 8:05 pm

    You take all the fun out of theology. And there wasn’t much to start with.

    I agree completely and a millisecond after I posted I wanted to retract, delete, destroy what I’ve written.
    Alas, not possible on this platform.

    Sometimes it doesn’t pay to have your straitlaced hat on.

    Apologies Dr BG, I know, I know it’s the Cat, never apologise, but it makes me feel better.

  189. Arky

    The least of the problems with homosexuality is any back door shenanigans they might get up to.
    In a proper, decent society where good people mind their own damn business, how would you know, why would you care and why on earth would you even be speculating about it?
    No.
    The biggest problem with homosexuality is that allows a segment of male society to opt out of their obligation to wed a female and raise a family.
    You may scoff at this, and ask why it is important.
    Hell yes it is important.
    For every goddamn backdoor johnny gaily avoiding his filial duties there is an unknowable number of crazed middle aged harridans directing their lost destinies into some destructive assholishness to the detriment of all of us.

  190. DrBeauGan

    We are all sinners.

    Speak for yourself, IT. I’m not.

  191. The biggest problem with homosexuality is that allows a segment of male society to opt out of their obligation to wed a female and raise a family.

    Please don’t tell me you’d support an explicit bachelor tax.

  192. cohenite

    There’s much about Sharia to agree with.

    No.

  193. Infidel Tiger

    There’s much about Sharia to agree with.

    No.

    Yes. Anyone who doesn’t agree with much of Sharia law obviously hasn’t read it.

    Most of it is very sound.

  194. Infidel Tiger

    Please don’t tell me you’d support an explicit bachelor tax.

    Certainly would.

    In Olden times we had ways of dealing with these weirdos.

  195. Atoms for Peace

    IT. I’m collecting a bucket of rocks

  196. Elle

    Non PC biology still informs us that the anus is not designed (if you will) for penetration but for excretion.

    Agreed.

    Is the female throat designed for penetration?

    Semantics.

    I do believe it is about a type of phobia – repulsion, lack of awareness and understanding. Plus (the bigggy for me) the deluded LGBTQI activists muddying the waters.

  197. When you do Kayfabe you need the Premium (TM) label, IT.

  198. Tel

    Please don’t tell me you’d support an explicit bachelor tax.

    Is that better or worse than the implicit bachelor tax we have already?

    Why?!?

  199. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Queensland Labor ‘won’t be bullied’ to dig Shorten out of Adani hole

    Jared Owens
    @jaredowens
    0 minutes ago April 17, 2019
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    Queensland Deputy Premier Jackie Trad says her government won’t be “bullied” into making a quick decision on Adani’s approvals, despite Labor insiders saying delays to the coalmine were damaging Bill Shorten’s campaign in the state’s regional seats.

    Adani’s Carmichael project in central Queensland has cleared all federal approvals to start construction, but the state has not approved two crucial management plans involving groundwater and the endangered black-throated finch. Senior Labor insiders have told The Australian their regional campaign was “going backwards”, with state delays to Adani emerging as “the big issue” in key seats.

    Ms Trad, when asked for her response to those concerns, said her government was “not going to be bullied” to green-light the mine’s construction.

    “Every single person in Queensland knows how precious our water resources are and we are going to make sure we do this properly. We’re not going to be bulled,” Ms Trad, who leads Queensland Labor’s dominant Left faction, said.

    The delays to Adani are especially damaging in three Nat­ionals coalmining seats — Dawson, Flynn and Capricornia — and Townsville-based Herbert, which Labor won by 37 votes in 2016. An alliance of business groups today urged a swift decision on Adani, saying the delays were “weighing heavily on investor sentiment” in Queensland.

    Ms Trad said there were “very challenging and complex” issues that still needed to be assessed by the state’s Environment ­Department.

    Labor previously championed the Carmichael project. Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk heralded the project in 2016 as offering a “new dawn” for Townsville, where unemployment is high at 8 per cent. Ms Trad, asked if regional voters should feel angry at Labor’s diminished support for Adani, said voters would expect the government to thoroughly evaluate the mine. “I know there will be a lot of Queensland voters who will be very, very angry if they wake up the day after the federal election and Scott Morrison is the prime minister,” she said.

    From the Oz. Fight, you Labor Party filth, fight. I hate peace.

  200. Arky

    Anyone who is purporting a superiority over our rough riding, outlier friends should consider all the myriad ways in which they themselves are probably letting the side down.
    With the terrible state we are in, there is plenty of blame to go around.

  201. C.L.

    Rod Dreher has an interesting piece today that links to a First Things article about a British convert to Islam. Dreher: Why Convert To Islam?

    Via Instapundit.

    So what is going on with this phenomenon?
    Simple: Christian churches have become subjectivist, banal, stupid and self-loathing.
    And formerly great bastions of Christian culture have become toilets.
    This convert – Jacob Williams – is a very intelligent man:

    Anomie was one thing; the ferocious renunciation of tradition I encountered at university was quite another. I had hoped that the spiritual emptiness of wider society was a result of ignorance, and that the ­academy—especially the ancient, venerable, Gothic academy of Oxford—had preserved what I vaguely imagined was my country’s noble heritage. Studying philosophy did provide some engagement with an intellectual inheritance, but for anyone moderately interested in public life, the campus movements for “social justice” were impossible to ignore. All of these—whether their goal was the liberation of women, of LGBT persons, or of ethnic minorities—seemed to have the same vision of man: a deracinated, protean aggregate of desires. These movements gained in strength every year. ­Formerly apolitical spaces were distorted by the need to appease one demand after another. The culture of the university, once imbued with the brash boyishness of the English public schools, now accommodated the sterile, strenuous inclusivity of progressive zealots.

    After three years of this, I was frustrated and alienated. I needed a purpose. Philosophy classes had sharpened my inquiries, but they didn’t rectify the meaninglessness all around me. My utopian peers found their purpose in crusades against racism and homophobia, but their contempt for England revolted me. I chose a different course and embarked on a search for God.

  202. mh

    Infidel, Reuters reported today on the Mus lims in Syria who have rejected Is lam and some communities are even embracing Christianity.

    They have seen the true face of Is lam, and they know it is a face of evil.

  203. Mark A

    Infidel Tiger
    #2990474, posted on April 17, 2019 at 8:26 pm

    Yes. Anyone who doesn’t agree with much of Sharia law obviously hasn’t read it.

    Most of it is very sound.

    Having a blueprint or two of long standing discipline to work from is always an advantage.

    What you filter out from them is of importance.

    Some aspects you get right some you don’t.
    BUT the question is, what is right?

    Is it right to deny women some say because the author of the doctrine happened to have had a mouthy wife?

  204. C.L.

    Rod Dreher has an interesting piece today that links to a First Things article about a British convert to Islm. Dreher: Why Convert To Izl-m?

    Via Instapundit.
    [Google it; the hyperlink is banned].

    So what is going on with this phenomenon?
    Simple: Christian churches have become subjectivist, banal, stupid and self-loathing.
    And formerly great bastions of Christian culture have become toilets.
    This convert – Jacob Williams – is a very intelligent man:

    Anomie was one thing; the ferocious renunciation of tradition I encountered at university was quite another. I had hoped that the spiritual emptiness of wider society was a result of ignorance, and that the ­academy—especially the ancient, venerable, Gothic academy of Oxford—had preserved what I vaguely imagined was my country’s noble heritage. Studying philosophy did provide some engagement with an intellectual inheritance, but for anyone moderately interested in public life, the campus movements for “social justice” were impossible to ignore. All of these—whether their goal was the liberation of women, of LGBT persons, or of ethnic minorities—seemed to have the same vision of man: a deracinated, protean aggregate of desires. These movements gained in strength every year. ­Formerly apolitical spaces were distorted by the need to appease one demand after another. The culture of the university, once imbued with the brash boyishness of the English public schools, now accommodated the sterile, strenuous inclusivity of progressive zealots.

    After three years of this, I was frustrated and alienated. I needed a purpose. Philosophy classes had sharpened my inquiries, but they didn’t rectify the meaninglessness all around me. My utopian peers found their purpose in crusades against racism and homophobia, but their contempt for England revolted me. I chose a different course and embarked on a search for God.

  205. Infidel Tiger

    The best bachelor tax we could have is income splitting and family tax benefits.

    People who elect not to marry or procreate should be very heavily punished. Socially they already are except in depraved and degenerate circles. We must now add heavy financial burdens to these losers necks.

  206. Infidel Tiger

    Sound finances, not allowing women to drive, throwing homos off roofs… lot of good stuff.

  207. Fisky

    Sharia is very sensible, but sadly it falls down at the point of interfaith relations. Otherwise it’s no different to Orthodox Judaism.

  208. Arky

    It isn’t all economics Frank.
    Shame has an important role in it.
    If we could heap opprobrium on unmarried women, they, the women, having the most power in society, would find a way to ensnare these corner- cutting, slack arse gaybos into some type of arrangement beneficial to both of them.

  209. Fisky

    Homosexuals were much happier back in the day when they were pressured into marriage. Making them priests wasn’t such a great idea though.

  210. John Constantine

    https://www.colgate.com/en-us/oral-health/conditions/hiv-aids-and-stds/stds-of-the-mouth-and-how-to-avoid-them-0515

    A rise in antibiotic resistant oral gonorrhea in Australia seems to be following the antiretroviral cocktail that has put deaths from aids on hold.

    Good reason hookers don’t pash.

  211. Fisky

    We need to get used to traditional Old Testament morality again, because that’s where we’ll be going if antibiotics stop working.

  212. cohenite

    Yes. Anyone who doesn’t agree with much of Sharia law obviously hasn’t read it.

    Most of it is very sound.

    No.

  213. Steve trickler

    Any good journo would be highlighting Energiewende in Germany when questioning any political party about energy policy. It has been a dud. Massive amounts of money wasted.

    Not many good journos in Oz, it seems.

    After billions spent, they are still building new coal fired power stations. A fact to shut all of them up.

    Why are they doing that, Bill, Sco-Mo and Greenfilth?

    Why?

    MSM pressers are a joke.

  214. jupes

    My reply to jupes is in moderation.

    Sinc is just saving you from more embarrassment.

  215. Arky

    It is unfortunate for everyone that we have gone almost directly from a time when homosexuals were vilified and outcast to a time when political correctness has run mad and no one with any common sense dares to ask pertinent questions around homosexuality.
    In both cases, sensible discussion is forbidden.
    There was a period of perhaps 15 years when these things could be openly discussed and researched.
    On the face of it, it is a fascinating topic with quite a few mysteries.
    Hopefully at some time in the future this censorship insanity will subside, people will accept others as human, with all their flaws and stupidities, and we can get to the bottom of many, many things.

  216. Mark A

    Arky
    #2990506, posted on April 17, 2019 at 8:57 pm
    we can get to the bottom of many, many things.

    Why can’t you use a different phrase in this convo?

  217. Arky

    We really have fallen from one excessively strict religiosity straight into another one.
    Why can’t people practice moderation and restraint?

  218. Mark A

    PS on the other hand you did this deliberately didn’t you?

  219. Colonel Crispin Berka

    Mark A, #2990490, posted on April 17, 2019 at 8:33 pm

    Is it right to deny women some say because the author of the doctrine happened to have had a mouthy wife?

    Yes. In all things Alla’h is competent.

    👏 👏.

  220. Top men are working on the answer, Arky.

    Top men.

  221. Mark A

    What about important things Arky, Fired up the engine yet?
    For real I mean, liked to see some action.

    Ignore the bookie.

  222. Arky

    Mark, I am not afraid to tackle the hard issues.

  223. Arky

    Fired up the engine yet?

    ..
    Waiting on further supplies.
    Bushes for the dizzy, exhaust clamp, fuel line and carby kit.
    As well I have been warned against excessive idling of a new engine, so I will need to connect brakes and give it a drive.
    At least I know it does fire up and is pumping oil.

  224. John Constantine

    https://www.monash.edu/medicine/news/latest/2017-articles/trial-into-mouthwash-treatment-for-gonorrhoea-expands

    declining condom use, make the need urgent for research into a preventive measure that doesn’t rely on condoms.

    “The rate of gonorrhoea in Victoria is increasing year by year, and it seems a bit out of control,” Dr Chow said.

    The increasing spread of the bacteria also heightened the risk of the emergence of antibiotic-resistant strains, he said

    Gloomy yarragrad, the antibiotic resistant oral gonorrhea capital of Australia.

    Comrades.

  225. jupes

    Mark, I am not afraid to tackle the hard issues.

    I’m not sure where you are going with this Arky.

    Just do us all a favour and don’t make any videos.

  226. Fisky

    Nicholas Taleb I think has argued that the Leftist Narrative is now the state religion of the West. When you unpack all the shaming rituals, the mythology of all powerful whiteness, the inverted good v. evil narrative, the promise of redemption only through reciting the Narrative – it is indeed a theocracy.

  227. mh

    Arky, that loose tongue of yours will get you into a tight spot.

    At least we can all agree that we don’t want anything forced down our throats.

  228. Infidel Tiger

    17, 2019 at 9:15 pm
    Nicholas Taleb I think has argued that the Leftist Narrative is now the state religion of the West. When you unpack all the shaming rituals, the mythology of all powerful whiteness, the inverted good v. evil narrative, the promise of redemption only through reciting the Narrative – it is indeed a theocracy.

    Theocratic (woke) leftism offers no redemption, no forgiveness. It is completely without grace.

    We must destroy those fuckers.

  229. bespoke

    John Constantine
    #2990498, posted on April 17, 2019 at 8:43 pm
    https://www.colgate.com/en-us/oral-health/conditions/hiv-aids-and-stds/stds-of-the-mouth-and-how-to-avoid-them-0515

    A rise in antibiotic resistant oral gonorrhea in Australia seems to be following the antiretroviral cocktail that has put deaths from aids on hold.

    Good reason hookers don’t pash.

    The things you learn on the Cat and about Cat’s.

  230. duncanm

    Is there a word limit now? Trying to post a (somewhat lengthy) comment which is being silently forgetteried.

  231. Steve trickler

    In think the RAF ban at the Machynlleth Loop is still in place.( A valley local complained about the low flights ). Not for the USA, thankfully. I’d imagine they’d tell the relevant parties to rack off. They’re still flying there. But not the RAF.

    From Feb 2019, prior to the ban.

    These Typhoons certainly announce their arrival with that creepy howl.



  232. Elle

    Why I have turned away from all religion; including that into which I was born. The shaming is disgusting.

    Tell your sins so all can sharpen their knife’s.

  233. Mark A

    Arky
    #2990519, posted on April 17, 2019 at 9:11 pm

    Fired up the engine yet?

    ..
    Waiting on further supplies.
    Bushes for the dizzy, exhaust clamp, fuel line and carby kit.
    As well I have been warned against excessive idling of a new engine, so

    Whoever told you that, you are obliged to shout him more than a beer.
    Sound advice.

  234. Infidel Tiger

    Why I have turned away from all religion; including that into which I was born. The shaming is disgusting.

    A society without shame is a despicable and vile place to live.

    We need to make shame popular again.

    We need so much more of it.

  235. mh

    Don’t mention the C word

    Ilhan Omar
    @IlhanMN
    Art and architecture have a unique ability to help us connect across our differences and bring people together in important ways. Thinking of the people of Paris and praying for every first responder trying to save this wonder.
    8:17 AM · Apr 16, 2019

  236. jupes

    Steyn as he always does, nails it:

    Beyond that are the larger questions: When the iconic house of worship at the heart of French Christianity decides to mark Holy Week by going up in flames, it’s too obviously symbolic of something …but of what exactly? Two thousand churches have been vandalized in the last two years: Valérie Boyer, who represents Bouches-du-Rhône in the National Assembly, said earlier this month that “every day at least two churches are profaned” – by which she means arson, smashed statutes of Jesus and Mary, and protestors who leave human fecal matter in the shape of a cross. This is a fact of life in modern France.

    As it is, there is no shortage of excitable young M*h*mm*d*ns gleefully celebrating on social media. In 2017 some inept hammer-wielding nutter yelling “*ll*h* *kb*r!” had a crack at Notre Dame, and a couple of years before that the historian Dominique Venner blew his brains out on the altar to protest same-sex marriage. I love France but, in recent years, it’s hard not to pick up on the sense that it’s coming apart – and that, when the center cannot hold, the things at that center, the obsolete embodiments of a once cohesive society, are a natural target.

    In addition, the authorities’ eagerness to assure us that it was an accident at a time when such a conclusion could not possibly be known – and when their own response to the emergency was, to put it politely, somewhat dilatory – was itself enough to invite suspicion: “Sure, it might be an accident. But, even if it weren’t, they’d still tell us it was…”

    RTWT

  237. duncanm

    Akismet – you can go and get fucked. I can’t post anything.

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