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Suspicious? Yes!
Its being blamed on the restorations work.
Any news of Quasimodo?
Sad
I note with interest that turnbull has had his bit to say on Twitter, giving advice to the Aus and NZ govts.
Can’t he take the tip that no one gives a hoot what he thinks.
rudd reincarnate
Hmm? Once the site is cleared, what could they build as a replacement?
No!
There is no evidence of suspicious circumstances.
The perpetrator (or perpetrators) forgot to shout: “Allahu Akbar”!
It’s been standing for a long time then goes up in flames for Easter.
Possibly incredibly bad luck.
The French are well able to rebuild, or indeed actually build fantastic buildings and this will be rebuilt whatever the cost ..
Still, very sad to see and I’m glad I did the roof tour some years ago
The more enlightened could view this as another symbol of white supremacy going up in flames.
See what happens when you try to deny Global Warming?
I don’t think that any straight thinking Australian , or any Christian anywhere , could seriously declare that this fire could be a co-incidence occurring so close to Easter ! IMHO.
Rebuild it as a mosque, you know it makes sense.
I predict that this whole structure will be demolished and a monument to diversity and inclusiveness will be built in its place. Unfortunately, it will look a lot like an Isl#mic building for the remaining Christians of Paris.
Leave now. It’s already too late.
Some context.
Here is what remains of the Notre Dame’s altar.
also posted in the open thread. Seems appropriate here.
See to be very low key about the cause of this fire? Hmmm!
A great pity ,love L’Isle de la Cite , stayed there a few years ago with friends saw the cathedral daily ,900 years of History . Knowing the French it will be faithfully restored using fireproof materials where possible . On the island is Sainte Chapelle the glorious former chapel of the Royal Family ,beautifully restored to its medieval glory some years ago . Thats a sight I reccomend to people visiting Paris and they are never disappointed , its behind the Palais de Justice the old Royal Palace .
Vous etes fatigue avec Paris , vous etes fatigue avec la vie .If you are tired of Paris , you are tired of life .
This from Sky News.
What’s the problem with this paragraph?
If you’ve ever stood inside Notre Dame, you’re transported back to Medieval France — low ceilings, a house of God for physically little people (apart from the dome). You couldn’t design a more efficient fire trap.
This is so sad.
There’ll be a civil war in France if it turns out moozley invaders burned down Notre Dame. But that appears unlikely.
The white crucifix!
Macron will blame the Gilets Jaune…
Do we have any potential suspects yet?
Here’s a more reasonable paragraph about the investigation, for AP.
Who is responsible for paying the carbon tax on this event? The Church, The state, ? Local government?…..silly me It will be the people.
In the week leading up to Easter…
What an incredibly terrible event.
Knowing the horrid and fallen world we now live in, it will probably be replaced by a brutalist designed mosque.
Australia must pledge a bigly sum of our Foreign aid budget to help restore Notre Dame.
Google: AI Made ‘Wrong Call,’ Flagged Video of Notre-Dame Fire as 9/11 Conspiracy
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/04/15/google-ai-made-wrong-call-flagged-video-of-notre-dame-fire-as-9-11-conspiracy/
100% agree.
All billionaires must match this sum or be jailed.
Why should Australians fund the resto of Notre Dame?
Is France a third world country?
Infidel, we are already donating 50 billion to France for some crappy submarines.
Notre Dame belongs to the world and France is a broken third world country.
Without our help the site will resemble Federation square.
Australia must pledge a bigly sum of our Foreign aid budget to help restore Notre Dame.
I think the Vatican has plenty of money.
They can pay for it thanks.
But if you would like to donate your own cash, go ahead.
Turnbull is just posh virtue-signaling.
This is the jerk who demanded the ACL accept the morality of abortion five minutes after his phony conversion to Catholicism.
There is a link between the WTC twin towers and Notre Dame. Philippe Petit has done tightrope walks on both of them.
https://images.app.goo.gl/JtQHqYw462zYxzcY6
Notre Dame is owned by The French.
Learn some history you ignorant swine.
Turnbull is obsessed with transferring Australian wealth to the French.
Ben Shapiro sees the funny side of the tragedy.
Notre Dame is owned by The French.
Learn some history you ignorant swine.
I don’t care.
Pay for it with your own money.
What do you think Jesus would prefer you spend money on, buildings or people?
It’s not f$cking hard, is it?
The restoration will probably cost a billion.
The greatest danger now is liturgical liberals taking advantage of the situation to ‘modernise’ the church, especially the sanctuary and high altar. The New Order Maoists hate high altars, hate marble, hate altar rails and hate statuary.
Keating had an obsession about Paris, too.
He used to quip about only wanting to fly across Australia to get to Paris.
A good opportunity to turn it into a multi-faith centre.
Great news.
We will need an international search and fund started to seek the help of the world’s greatest artisans. There are very few left and we need their help.
Weird side note.
According to AFP News Agency, France, three days ago, 16 statues, representing the twelve apostles and four evangelists, were beheaded and airlifted from the spire of the Notre-Dame Cathedral.
Yes, beheaded. Headless apostles flying through the air over Paris. 😳
We will need an international search and fund started to seek the help of the world’s greatest artisans. There are very few left and we need their help.
No.
No “international “artisans.
Only Local Artisans so the French economy benefits.
This is True Local Artisanship and I shouldn’t have to remind you of this.
Plimouth 🐉
@PlimouthOutWest
Replying to
@almostjingo
In 1931, Stalin leveled Christ the Savior Cathedral, the central cathedral of the Russian Orthodox Christian Church, turning the footprint into the world’s largest outdoor swimming pool.
Look at her today. #Rebuild
https://mobile.twitter.com/PlimouthOutWest/status/1117904257322110976
Climate change caused this , repent now, please Gaia no more.
Yes, beheaded. Headless apostles flying through the air over Paris. 😳
Flying, ascending, same thing.
Why bother rebuilding it? The French only work for 37 minutes a week, are on strike every other month and are Unionised to the gillets jaunes. It will take 9 centuries to finish by which time France will have been an Moozlamic state for 8.5 of those centuries.
Though it would be finished before the NBN and Sydney light rail.
[Attempt 3 to post something on an obscure economics blog in this Fascist shithole of a formerly free country.]
A safe probable cause – you would always start there.
However, given the enormous care conservators take to prevent and control sparks/ignition sources when working around timber structures, l’accident would be a truly extraordinary operational fuckup, and not just a casual stray spark, or an insouciant fag-end flicked away by some dim charpentier.
Unlikely that ‘treating it as an accident’ will be the end of the story.
Notre Dame is owned by The French.
The French government, to be precise, which has always been very stingy in its allocations for maintenance and repairs.
LOL.
Since when do prosecutors decide the cause of fires (before the fire has even been put out)?
Since the country was flooded with Mohammedan terrorists, that’s when.
He is saying that – regardless of cause – sabotage will not be blamed under any circumstances.
Oh, OK. Sinclair has also banned M8ham_medan.
Worth a thousand words.
Try again (according to the new Jacinda Ardern rule-book) …
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LOL. Since when do prosecutors decide the cause of fires (before the fire has even been put out)?
Since the country was flooded with M8ham_medan terrorists, that’s when.
He is saying that – regardless of cause – sabotage will not be blamed under any circumstances.
FMD.
Give it a rest, Sinclair.
New header from a photo I took in 2017.
CL – give what a rest?
https://mobile.twitter.com/pegobry/status/1117930698567032832
An appropriately honouring header for a very sad occasion. Thanks Sinc.
It’s fortunate that it’s not in Australia.
With red green and all the other tape, community consultation, environmental impact statements, protection of the endangered urban rat and pied bag ladies, carbon neutral guidelines and the need for all the chancers to make a quick stack of loot, we would end up with an interdenominational bus shelter.
My bad
Left out, at great cost to the taxpayer.
As ever.
So reminiscent of one of the last scenes in A Canticle for Leibowitz. If the amazing photo of the altar is anything to go by that was also a terrifying and heroic act by Fr Fournier.
The banning of perfectly legal words.
It is annoying and patronising.
LOL.
It would make a great Men’s Shed. If you ask nicely, a few of the crusty old white whittlers might fix the roof for you.
Indeed. Yet it turns out that I cannot trust some people to show common sense. So the stupidity of a minority impacts us all.
Let me assure you there are times when offering a zero-price platform for discussion, fellowship and friendship annoys me far, far more than you can be annoyed by complying with the very few and very basic requests I make in return.
So the stupidity of a minority impacts us all.
I don’t know if I would call minorities stupid.
Seems vaguely racist.
😁
The Paris firefighters are a unit of the French Army, le Brigade des Sapeurs-Pompiers de Paris.
Speaking as a minority myself of course.
Intellectually Challenged is fine though.
How symbolic of the demise of the Christian civilisation of the West.
Notre Dame may be reconstructed but can anything else?
Notre Dame Cathedral burns April 15 2019
Boston FalseFlag Bombings April 15 2013
The Titanic sank April 15 1912
Abraham Lincoln died April 15 1865
I wonder why April 15 is so important to [them].
French system of jurisprudence is, I believe, based on the Napoleonic code.
Its procedures are not the same as the Common Law procedures with which we are all familiar.
Don’t know how accurate this is but it will serve to outline the major differences between the systems.
Notre Dame survived, to face an ‘accident’.
..
You should update these or close the blog or hand it off to someone else.
You have done very well for a long time, and the thing has been a treasure in an otherwise wasteland of Australian political thought, but the moderation of random words is now insane.
Enough about our immigration system.
It is probably the combination and sequencing of several “perfectly legal words” which leads to trouble for our sponsor.
This you can ban.
More on the French legal system (for the legal tragics ).
Not yet.
Scheduled to attain Third World status by mid 2020, but is ahead of schedule.
This you can ban.
How about you learn to code your own website if you have enough time to suggest banning people.
Just like all the journalists are.
Stimpson J. Cat admonished C.L. on Catallaxy April 15 2019.
With the way things are, a blog cannot perform the function of a free and open platform for debate.
The pretense is more dangerous than just letting it go.
Anne – If an iceberg sank Notre Dame it wouldn’t’ve been necessary for French firefighters to spray water on it.
Have we ruled out Global Warming as a cause Bruce?
Arky, anarchy is a suburb of leftism, patrolled by the thugs of Antifa.
ABC news at midday announces that “one of the world’s major tourist attractions” has burned down.
Disgusted, I hit the off button.
ABC ‘don’t do God’.
We will need an international search and fund started to seek the help of the world’s greatest artisans. There are very few left and we need their help.
Your prayers are answered.
Horrible thing though, been there once, pretty awesome place, wish Id had a lot longer to linger.
I’d have thought the ABC would have said ‘something happened to the controversial non-inclusive Notre Dame building in multicultural Paris.’
Why?
They managed to preserve St Paul’s through the blitz but couldn’t manage to preserve Notre Dame through a renovation
Paris prosecutors have opened an investigation into the fire. They have ruled out arson and possible terror-related motives and instead think the blaze was started by accident.
So the fire was the result of is lamic arson.
is lamic now seems to trigger the spaminator.
The fire started in the spire, so it would seem unlikely it was arson.
Has Macron apologised to the Muesli’s in the banlieues for the smoke drifting over yet?
Or will he dress up like the Pope and hug some Nuns?
Find out in the next exciting reality TV episode of “My Virtue Rules.”
However, given the enormous care conservators take to prevent and control sparks/ignition sources when working around timber structures, l’accident would be a truly extraordinary operational fuckup, and not just a casual stray spark, or an insouciant fag-end flicked away by some dim charpentier.
Having worked on one reasonable sized building construction project, I can tell you that fire prevention is an absolute top priority once you get past the structural work. Fire extinguishers everywhere, fire watchers, hot work permit system etc. etc. On a building of such importance it is incredibly unlikely that the fire is construction related.
The HQ of the Police Judiciaire are on the island , no doubt the director will ensure a r=thorough investigation is made , in conjunction with the sapeurs de pompier fire experts under the supervision of a magistrate . The cause will be revealed by the magistrate after he has questioned everyone involved and made his decision . Hopefully a modern Maigret is in charge of the field investigation ,always liked Maigret ,so laid back and clever ,and really mannerly ,well brought up French man .
Hello?
My name is (pause) Brandon and I’m calling you about your Telstra/NBN internet connection, which is insecure.
I’m with Optus.
Ah sir but Optus just rents from Telstra!
I’m on the NBN, Optus rents from the NBN.
That’s that I told you sir! Optus rents from Telstra which uses the NBN!
NBN Corporation is a government company, Optus rents from them. Telstra has nothing to do with them, they sold it to NBN.
Yes sir that is what I said, NBN is a government company and you are with Optus! Your internet connection is insecure.
Maybe you should have a talk with your supervisor, your script needs a bit of work…(I hang up).
I do love Paki call centre people, they let absolutely nothing phase them.
Oops, wrong thread…
I will have to dig out my rose window photos from 1976.
Sad this has happened.
April 15 Notre Dame …March 15 …New ZEALAND ..MASSACRE …CHRISTCHURCH = IDES OF MARCH !!
ABC don’t do Christian God. FIFY.
The French have become a collection of Godless pagans and apostates who abandoned Christianity so I guess you could day they have little need for such a building.
Restore it. We need the symbolism.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Erdogan+wants+to+convert+Haigha+sophia&t=ffnt&atb=v79-1&ia=web
Two of the rose windows remain. They were the most magnificent examples of the glorious interplay of glass and light. Reflecting on the ABC bemoaning the loss of a great tourist attraction, I wonder when was the last time any of the sobbing social media tragics have ever entered a cathedral for the purpose for which it was built.
The fire started in the spire, so it would seem unlikely it was arson.
Has anyone considered an Act of God yet?
Or at the very least a very very strong laser pointer?
This is what happens when you don’t listen to the warnings, kids.
Just waiting for the ABC to urge listeners to buy an EV to offset the carbon emissions from the conflagration at the Paris tourist attraction.
You think wrongly
I hope during the restoration process, when it is safe of course Notre Dame start charging visitors a hefty sum like the Sagrada Familia does.
Free to attend mass but everyone else 20 euros. at least.
Sagrada Familia, which was a long way from being finished at the time, was destroyed by Spanish revolutionaries at the start of the Spanish Civil war and has taken now around 140 years to be built, but even when they were working on the interior paying visitors could enter the building.
Work stilll going and over 20 euros for the tourist visit.
Will George GetUp?
You think wrongly
Do they have more money than myself,
and Jesus?
Why yes, yes, they do.
Vatican can just sell it all. Just ask Morris West.
But don’t take my word for it.
What does George say:
Cardinal George P€ll says that the discovery means that the Vatican’s finances are healthier than they first appeared.
He writes: “It is important to point out that the Vatican is not broke. Apart from the pension fund, which needs to be strengthened for the demands on it in 15 or 20 years, the Holy See is paying its way, while possessing substantial assets and investments.
“In fact, we have discovered that the situation is much healthier than it seemed, because some hundreds of millions of euros were tucked away in particular sectional accounts and did not appear on the balance sheet. It is another question, impossible to answer, whether the Vatican should have much larger reserves.”
Case closed.
Stimpy you are arguing like a numbers
the arrested monsignor was not laundering money for the Vatican but through the Vatican
Oh and ‘is paying it’s way it not ‘very rich’
like I said
arguing like a numbers
Please run the sell all the treasure argument again
Infidel Tiger
#2989265, posted on April 16, 2019 at 12:42 pm
The fire started in the spire, so it would seem unlikely it was arson.
Why?
Fuck giving the frogs francs, they can re-build their sky pixie kennel with some of the dough they’ve filched off us in numerous idiotic defence deals.
Because that is the initial finding of the prosecutors?
Because arsonists usually start fires at multiple places throughout the building?
In any case it is too early to know for sure
usually gi hardies claim credit very quickly
Here is some visuals of the roof that went up in flames. From a documentary.
As the largest single shareholder of Engie, the ideologically inclined French Government was responsible for the closure of Hazelwood.
Let them eat cake.
Because Notre Dame belongs to the world.
We let these Notre Dame go, imagine what else we can dispose of.
Apparently Mueslis cannot start fires in tall buildings.
Oh hang on…
Counting down the seconds till a secularist luvvie virtue signals with “Je suis Notre Dame” apparel.
We let these Notre Dame go, imagine what else we can dispose of.
Pretty much everything else has already been disposed of!
When Notre dame is rebuilt can the put the spires on the front, finally?
Partial destruction not worth claiming credit?
Any drones in the area at the time?
Spire delay mechanism? Consumed in the flames?
The fire started an hour or so after the restoration works were finished for the day. It’s therefore a little hard to imagine what might have started the blaze – an electrical fault? A carelessly discarded cigarette butt? An incendiary device on a timer? Lightning?
WW2 movies showed many ways.
“These kinds of disasters are almost never mere accidents…”
Molyneux is a disgraceful grifter.
It behooves all righteous people to ignore him.
How on earth is a youtuber in the US going to know what the cause of the fire at Notre Dame is?
Let’s not embarrass ourselves jumping to conclusions
sure it coulda woulda shoulda
And don’t forget molybdenum has a financial motive for spreading his manure
The fire started in the attic
what is known about the cause at this stage
Who knows how it started, but it’s not unheard of for renovations and fire to make a match. Ask the Queen, whose Windsor was almost destroyed by a fire that also broke out during renovations.
Some of the supposing going on above is, as notafan notes, embarassing.
Is there anyone with a keyboard out the front singing Imagine in French yet?
Oh I dunno, at least the French managed to save their twin towers.
Too soon?
Compare the earliest photo on twitter [ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4NYufkU4AAX2be.jpg ] with another taken 20 minutes later [ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4NdBfEUYAI50ze.jpg ] by the same person (@ELeavenworth). Light smoke has become visible fire. Another 30 mins later and the eastern half of the roof is mostly gone, but the spire is still standing. [ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4NklLQXkAEA5un.jpg:large ] Maybe a question over whether the spire would still have to be totally rebuilt at that point, but putting out the fire would have stopped the spire from crashing into the rest of the building.
In my outsider armchair-colonel’s opinion, if they’d gotten firehoses onto the spire within the first 20 minutes most of the roof could have been saved. Look at the 2nd photo, there is no water being sprayed on the fire. What the hell were the firefighters doing for 20 minutes while a national icon was burning? I guess the French really are lovers and not fighters.
Yeah okay, that’s “too soon” squared.
Question 1: How far away were the first responders?
Question 2: When was the alarm sent in to the firies?
Who will supervise the repairs I wonder. Keating or Turnbull ?
Government employees in France would regard a 20 minute response as bordering on ludicrous speed and only survivable once of twice in a lifetime.
20 mins to get a truck through in Paris isn’t bad.
Especially since the city is in lock down thanks to the anarchists.
Fair go – not every French firefighter maintains a mistress close to Île de la Cité, and it does take a while to get les pantalons back on, after all.
Must be a bugger for atheists not to be able to claim this as God’s judgement.
Say 2 min to get geared up to open the station doors.
The travel time calculator says 9 minunes to the cathedral from from 7 rue de Sévigné, 75004 Paris, closest station, so say 4 minutes.
That’s 6 minutes gone.
Amother 3 minutes to asses the situation.
That’s 9 minutes.
Another say 3 minutes to connect hoses and get gear to the base of the fire.
That’s 12 minute. Near enough to 15minute an a fire that did its major damage in 63 minutes.
As a former volunteer I’d say they dis all right.
If it is not done voluntarily, IT, it is not worth doing.
I agree with Morro on this one. Yes, a good cause, but not one where the contribution should be mandated via taxes.
Also, I am poring over the building regs for Paris for the 12th and 13th century.
Nowhere do they refer to spinklers or smoke detectors.
What was wrong with these people?
Yes.
Absolutely,
Your personal contribution should reflect your appreciation of its value to civilization.
Which should be substantial.
All monies previously directed to Palestinian causes should be directed to rebuild Notre Dame.
Look alike our funds won’t be needed any way.
Rich folk are good for something.
Morrison sounds like he is describing a fire at the Bonnydoon Caravan Park dunnies.
Yes, a “special place.”
I just heard it referred to as a “monument” on the radio news.
The ABC referred to it as a “tourist attraction” (somebody here, earlier today).
I watched The Project’s package on it tonight (delivered by Waleed).
The word “Catholic” wasn’t used once, nor was its status as the spiritual home of the French Church mentioned in any way. They crossed to Some Australian Dude who gave a banal account of his sads. He said it will be strange to have a beer on the park near Notre Dame this summer because he used to see the back of the cathedral ‘n stuff.
We need to rebuild Notre Dame and civilisation.
Yes. The work must go on.
I think you should still chip in.
As soon as there is a legitimate avenue to do so, I will.
Good on you, IT.
You have an emotional investment in the noble achievements of men.
Our built history is of utmost importance.
There is a reason barbarians demolish it as soon as they are able.
One only has to look at what is happening in our beautiful old Australiana suburbs to be very dispirited.
Parliament House in Canberra stands but Notre Dame burns.
There is no cosmic sense to that.
Nobody would care if the former sizzled to the ground.
Great news about the frog baller stumping up.
More TDS detected in Guardian’s coverage of this fire.
What Trump literally tweeted:
What the French and the Guardian claimed that Trump had said:
Trump did not say which type of aircraft should be used. So of course every Progressive moron has just assumed he meant the most idiotic possible type, which is the CL-415 super-scooper float plane frequently used in France and Spain for bushfires and which drops 6 tonnes of water at a time.
Yes that would be foolhardy, so lucky Trump never said to use that type.
The Civil Defense made these tweets (in time order) which I’ve got auto-translated with Bing:
Trump never mentioned Canadair planes. Just those silly froggies jumped to nasty conclusions.
The Sécurité Civile did not talk about using the type of helicopter which can put out fires in buildings without dropping a load of water on it. The firefighting lance attachment for the Simplex helicopter firefighting module is available for several helicopter models, but particularly for the Airbus EC225 and for the Russian Kamov Ka-32 which is already used for firefighting by South Korea and Japan. Here is a demo video originally made by Kamov. https://youtu.be/q-AiKvD-ru4?t=106
It squirts water horizontally in a jet, it does not drop the water as a big load. This would have been the best resource to deploy if such aircraft had been available to Sécurité Civile, which it may not have been at the time.
No idea if Trump meant that type of system when he tweeted. He may well have been thinking of the foolish super scooper option, we don’t know. But he did not specify which aircraft type and he never used the word “drop”. Just more TDS from the French and the media.
St Paul’s had firewatchers there all the time, in any case St Pauls was badly damaged, iirc Americans paid for the repairs.
St Paul’s being the new St Paul’s that replaced the one that burnt down a while back.
Fantastique.
We should levy a tax on all large corporations to help repair our historical monuments and the treasures of civilisation.
Can you imagine the Irish dwarf even contributing to such a fund?
It was typically grotesque of Bill Shorten to use a tragedy for political Point scoring. But that’s the left for you totally and utterly disgusting. Notre Dame is owned by the French government. Who also refuse to pay for itz upkeep which is why it got so run down and needed major repairs. If the French government had any decency it would pay for the repairs now and then hand Notte Dame back to the church. Buckleys.
You are right None
The Church in France never charged a penny for the millions of tourists many of whom treated their beautiful cathedral with no respect and never put a penny in the donation boxes.
They should have charged like wounded bulls like they do at St Paul’s and Westminster etc