Notre Dame in flames


FLASH: MAIN STRUCTURE SAVED FROM TOTAL DESTRUCTION... 
NINE CENTURIES OF HISTORY BROUGHT CRASHING DOWN...
UPDATE: AFP...
HOLY WEEK HORROR...
Catastrophic...
SOUL OF PARIS...
SPIRE COLLAPSES
Tourists run for lives...
Tears and shock...
Bystanders sing 'Ave Maria'...
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171 Responses to Notre Dame in flames

  1. Indolent

    Its being blamed on the restorations work.

  2. Geriatric Mayfly

    Any news of Quasimodo?

  3. Overburdened

    I note with interest that turnbull has had his bit to say on Twitter, giving advice to the Aus and NZ govts.

    Can’t he take the tip that no one gives a hoot what he thinks.

    rudd reincarnate

  4. Hmm? Once the site is cleared, what could they build as a replacement?

  5. JohnL

    Suspicious? Yes!

    No!
    There is no evidence of suspicious circumstances.
    The perpetrator (or perpetrators) forgot to shout: “Allahu Akbar”!

  6. Overburdened

    It’s been standing for a long time then goes up in flames for Easter.

    Possibly incredibly bad luck.

  7. billie

    The French are well able to rebuild, or indeed actually build fantastic buildings and this will be rebuilt whatever the cost ..

    Still, very sad to see and I’m glad I did the roof tour some years ago

  8. The more enlightened could view this as another symbol of white supremacy going up in flames.

  9. Tel

    See what happens when you try to deny Global Warming?

  10. Enyaw

    I don’t think that any straight thinking Australian , or any Christian anywhere , could seriously declare that this fire could be a co-incidence occurring so close to Easter ! IMHO.

  11. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Rebuild it as a mosque, you know it makes sense.

  12. Robber Baron

    I predict that this whole structure will be demolished and a monument to diversity and inclusiveness will be built in its place. Unfortunately, it will look a lot like an Isl#mic building for the remaining Christians of Paris.

    Leave now. It’s already too late.

  13. vr

    Here is what remains of the Notre Dame’s altar.

    also posted in the open thread. Seems appropriate here.

  14. Iva Right

    See to be very low key about the cause of this fire? Hmmm!

  15. Dr Fred Lenin

    A great pity ,love L’Isle de la Cite , stayed there a few years ago with friends saw the cathedral daily ,900 years of History . Knowing the French it will be faithfully restored using fireproof materials where possible . On the island is Sainte Chapelle the glorious former chapel of the Royal Family ,beautifully restored to its medieval glory some years ago . Thats a sight I reccomend to people visiting Paris and they are never disappointed , its behind the Palais de Justice the old Royal Palace .
    Vous etes fatigue avec Paris , vous etes fatigue avec la vie .If you are tired of Paris , you are tired of life .

  16. pbw

    This from Sky News.

    Paris prosecutors have opened an investigation into the fire. They have ruled out arson and possible terror-related motives and instead think the blaze was started by accident.

    What’s the problem with this paragraph?

  17. Tom

    No!
    There is no evidence of suspicious circumstances.

    If you’ve ever stood inside Notre Dame, you’re transported back to Medieval France — low ceilings, a house of God for physically little people (apart from the dome). You couldn’t design a more efficient fire trap.

    This is so sad.

    There’ll be a civil war in France if it turns out moozley invaders burned down Notre Dame. But that appears unlikely.

  18. stackja

    vr
    #2989049, posted on April 16, 2019 at 8:59 am
    Here is what remains of the Notre Dame’s altar.

    also posted in the open thread. Seems appropriate here.

    The white crucifix!

  19. MPH

    Macron will blame the Gilets Jaune…

  20. pbw

    Here’s a more reasonable paragraph about the investigation, for AP.

    The Paris prosecutors’ office ruled out arson and possible terror-related motives, and said it was treating it as an accident.

  21. Bunyip Bill

    Who is responsible for paying the carbon tax on this event? The Church, The state, ? Local government?…..silly me It will be the people.

  22. A Lurker

    There’ll be a civil war in France if it turns out moozley invaders burned down Notre Dame. But that appears unlikely.

    In the week leading up to Easter…

  23. Infidel Tiger

    What an incredibly terrible event.

    Knowing the horrid and fallen world we now live in, it will probably be replaced by a brutalist designed mosque.

  24. Infidel Tiger

    Australia must pledge a bigly sum of our Foreign aid budget to help restore Notre Dame.

  25. mh

    Google: AI Made ‘Wrong Call,’ Flagged Video of Notre-Dame Fire as 9/11 Conspiracy

    Video sharing website YouTube labeled a recent livestream of the fire at Notre-Dame cathedral in Paris as a 9/11 conspiracy theory video. The Google-owned site admitted its algorithm “made the wrong call.”

    Bloomberg reports that shortly after a fire broke out at the Notre-Dame cathedral in Paris on Monday, YouTube incorrectly identified live broadcasts of the accident as a September 11 conspiracy theory video. Below many broadcasts of the blaze was a text box from Encylopedia Britannica about the 9/11 terrorist attacks, this text box feature was designed to combat conspiracy theories on the platform…

    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/04/15/google-ai-made-wrong-call-flagged-video-of-notre-dame-fire-as-9-11-conspiracy/

  26. Infidel Tiger

    Malcolm Turnbull
    @TurnbullMalcolm
    ·
    2h
    PM
    @ScottMorrisonMP
    & Oppn Leader
    @billshortenmp
    should today agree to establish an Australian fund to support the restoration of Notre Dame so that Australians can show their solidarity once again with the people of France.

    100% agree.

  27. Infidel Tiger

    Breaking News
    @BreakingNews
    ·
    32m
    French billionaire Pinault pledges 100M euros toward rebuilding Notre Dame Cathedral, according to a statement –
    @AFP

    All billionaires must match this sum or be jailed.

  28. C.L.

    Why should Australians fund the resto of Notre Dame?
    Is France a third world country?

  29. mh

    Infidel, we are already donating 50 billion to France for some crappy submarines.

  30. Infidel Tiger

    Notre Dame belongs to the world and France is a broken third world country.

    Without our help the site will resemble Federation square.

  31. Stimpson J. Cat

    Australia must pledge a bigly sum of our Foreign aid budget to help restore Notre Dame.

    I think the Vatican has plenty of money.
    They can pay for it thanks.
    But if you would like to donate your own cash, go ahead.

  32. C.L.

    Turnbull is just posh virtue-signaling.
    This is the jerk who demanded the ACL accept the morality of abortion five minutes after his phony conversion to Catholicism.

  33. mh

    There is a link between the WTC twin towers and Notre Dame. Philippe Petit has done tightrope walks on both of them.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/JtQHqYw462zYxzcY6

  34. Infidel Tiger

    I think the Vatican has plenty of money.
    They can pay for it thanks.
    But if you would like to donate your own cash, go ahead.

    Notre Dame is owned by The French.

    Learn some history you ignorant swine.

  35. mh

    Turnbull is obsessed with transferring Australian wealth to the French.

  36. Stimpson J. Cat

    Notre Dame is owned by The French.

    Learn some history you ignorant swine.

    I don’t care.
    Pay for it with your own money.

  37. Stimpson J. Cat

    What do you think Jesus would prefer you spend money on, buildings or people?
    It’s not f$cking hard, is it?

  38. C.L.

    The restoration will probably cost a billion.
    The greatest danger now is liturgical liberals taking advantage of the situation to ‘modernise’ the church, especially the sanctuary and high altar. The New Order Maoists hate high altars, hate marble, hate altar rails and hate statuary.

  39. mh

    Keating had an obsession about Paris, too.

    He used to quip about only wanting to fly across Australia to get to Paris.

  40. Infidel Tiger

    A good opportunity to turn it into a multi-faith centre.

  41. Infidel Tiger

    Notre-Dame Cathedral
    @CathedraleNotre
    Inside #NotreDame. Only a small part of the vault collapsed. Interior seems relatively untouched. Alleluia!
    #NotreDame #Paris

    Great news.

    We will need an international search and fund started to seek the help of the world’s greatest artisans. There are very few left and we need their help.

  42. Anne

    Weird side note.

    According to AFP News Agency, France, three days ago, 16 statues, representing the twelve apostles and four evangelists, were beheaded and airlifted from the spire of the Notre-Dame Cathedral.

    Yes, beheaded. Headless apostles flying through the air over Paris. 😳

  43. Stimpson J. Cat

    We will need an international search and fund started to seek the help of the world’s greatest artisans. There are very few left and we need their help.

    No.
    No “international “artisans.
    Only Local Artisans so the French economy benefits.
    This is True Local Artisanship and I shouldn’t have to remind you of this.

  44. Infidel Tiger

    Plimouth 🐉
    @PlimouthOutWest
    Replying to
    @almostjingo
    In 1931, Stalin leveled Christ the Savior Cathedral, the central cathedral of the Russian Orthodox Christian Church, turning the footprint into the world’s largest outdoor swimming pool.

    Look at her today. #Rebuild

    https://mobile.twitter.com/PlimouthOutWest/status/1117904257322110976

  45. Caveman

    Climate change caused this , repent now, please Gaia no more.

  46. Stimpson J. Cat

    Yes, beheaded. Headless apostles flying through the air over Paris. 😳

    Flying, ascending, same thing.

  47. Why bother rebuilding it? The French only work for 37 minutes a week, are on strike every other month and are Unionised to the gillets jaunes. It will take 9 centuries to finish by which time France will have been an Moozlamic state for 8.5 of those centuries.
    Though it would be finished before the NBN and Sydney light rail.

    [Attempt 3 to post something on an obscure economics blog in this Fascist shithole of a formerly free country.]

  48. Dr Faustus

    The Paris prosecutors’ office ruled out arson and possible terror-related motives, and said it was treating it as an accident.

    A safe probable cause – you would always start there.

    However, given the enormous care conservators take to prevent and control sparks/ignition sources when working around timber structures, l’accident would be a truly extraordinary operational fuckup, and not just a casual stray spark, or an insouciant fag-end flicked away by some dim charpentier.

    Unlikely that ‘treating it as an accident’ will be the end of the story.

  49. Roger

    Notre Dame is owned by The French.

    The French government, to be precise, which has always been very stingy in its allocations for maintenance and repairs.

  50. C.L.

    The Paris prosecutors’ office ruled out arson …

    LOL.
    Since when do prosecutors decide the cause of fires (before the fire has even been put out)?
    Since the country was flooded with Mohammedan terrorists, that’s when.
    He is saying that – regardless of cause – sabotage will not be blamed under any circumstances.

  51. C.L.

    Oh, OK. Sinclair has also banned M8ham_medan.

  52. mh

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2989076, posted on April 16, 2019 at 9:30 am
    Do we have any potential suspects yet?

    Worth a thousand words.

  53. C.L.

    Try again (according to the new Jacinda Ardern rule-book) …
    ———————–

    The Paris prosecutors’ office ruled out arson …

    LOL. Since when do prosecutors decide the cause of fires (before the fire has even been put out)?
    Since the country was flooded with M8ham_medan terrorists, that’s when.
    He is saying that – regardless of cause – sabotage will not be blamed under any circumstances.

  54. C.L.

    FMD.
    Give it a rest, Sinclair.

  55. Sinclair Davidson

    New header from a photo I took in 2017.

  56. Sinclair Davidson

    CL – give what a rest?

  57. Infidel Tiger

    PEG
    @pegobry
    ·
    1h
    Fr Fournier, Chaplain of the Paris Firefighters, went into the blaze with the firefighters to save the Blessed Sacrament and the Crown of Thorns

    https://mobile.twitter.com/pegobry/status/1117930698567032832

  58. Bruce of Newcastle

    New header from a photo I took in 2017.

    An appropriately honouring header for a very sad occasion. Thanks Sinc.

  59. Overburdened

    It’s fortunate that it’s not in Australia.

    With red green and all the other tape, community consultation, environmental impact statements, protection of the endangered urban rat and pied bag ladies, carbon neutral guidelines and the need for all the chancers to make a quick stack of loot, we would end up with an interdenominational bus shelter.

  60. Overburdened

    My bad

    Left out, at great cost to the taxpayer.

    As ever.

  61. Bruce of Newcastle

    Fr Fournier, Chaplain of the Paris Firefighters, went into the blaze with the firefighters to save the Blessed Sacrament and the Crown of Thorns

    So reminiscent of one of the last scenes in A Canticle for Leibowitz. If the amazing photo of the altar is anything to go by that was also a terrifying and heroic act by Fr Fournier.

  62. C.L.

    The banning of perfectly legal words.
    It is annoying and patronising.

  63. C.L.

    It’s fortunate that it’s not in Australia.

    With red green and all the other tape, community consultation, environmental impact statements, protection of the endangered urban rat and pied bag ladies, carbon neutral guidelines and the need for all the chancers to make a quick stack of loot, we would end up with an interdenominational bus shelter.

    LOL.

  64. Tel

    A good opportunity to turn it into a multi-faith centre.

    It would make a great Men’s Shed. If you ask nicely, a few of the crusty old white whittlers might fix the roof for you.

  65. Sinclair Davidson

    It is annoying and patronising.

    Indeed. Yet it turns out that I cannot trust some people to show common sense. So the stupidity of a minority impacts us all.

    Let me assure you there are times when offering a zero-price platform for discussion, fellowship and friendship annoys me far, far more than you can be annoyed by complying with the very few and very basic requests I make in return.

  66. Stimpson J. Cat

    So the stupidity of a minority impacts us all.

    I don’t know if I would call minorities stupid.
    Seems vaguely racist.
    😁

  67. Boambee John

    The Paris firefighters are a unit of the French Army, le Brigade des Sapeurs-Pompiers de Paris.

  68. Stimpson J. Cat

    Speaking as a minority myself of course.

  69. Stimpson J. Cat

    Intellectually Challenged is fine though.

  70. Viva

    How symbolic of the demise of the Christian civilisation of the West.

    Notre Dame may be reconstructed but can anything else?

  71. Anne

    Notre Dame Cathedral burns April 15 2019

    Boston FalseFlag Bombings April 15 2013

    The Titanic sank April 15 1912

    Abraham Lincoln died April 15 1865

    I wonder why April 15 is so important to [them].

  72. Confused Old Misfit

    LOL. Since when do prosecutors decide the cause of fires

    French system of jurisprudence is, I believe, based on the Napoleonic code.
    Its procedures are not the same as the Common Law procedures with which we are all familiar.
    Don’t know how accurate this is but it will serve to outline the major differences between the systems.

  73. stackja

    On 1 August 1944, Choltitz was promoted to General der Infanterie, and on 7 August was appointed as the military governor of Paris. At a meeting in Germany the following day, Hitler instructed him to be prepared to leave no Parisian religious building or historical monument standing. After Choltitz’s arrival in Paris on 9 August, Hitler confirmed the order by cable: “The city must not fall into the enemy’s hand except lying in complete rubble.”[5] A week later Hitler, in a rage, screamed, “Brennt Paris?” (“Is Paris burning?”)[6][7][a]

    Notre Dame survived, to face an ‘accident’.

  74. Arky

    Comments which may jeopardise the legal interests of the blog or its editor in chief by being defamatory or in breach of other laws will be promptly deleted.
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    No argument or point of view, no matter how controversial, will be censored subject to the conditions listed above.
    Naturally, the views of Catallaxy’s many commenters are not to be identified or equated with the views of the certified contributors to Catallaxy.

    ..
    You should update these or close the blog or hand it off to someone else.
    You have done very well for a long time, and the thing has been a treasure in an otherwise wasteland of Australian political thought, but the moderation of random words is now insane.

  75. Infidel Tiger

    Indeed. Yet it turns out that I cannot trust some people to show common sense. So the stupidity of a minority impacts us all.

    Enough about our immigration system.

  76. Leigh Lowe

    The banning of perfectly legal words.
    It is annoying and patronising.

    It is probably the combination and sequencing of several “perfectly legal words” which leads to trouble for our sponsor.

  77. C.L.

    Notre Dame Cathedral burns April 15 2019

    Boston FalseFlag Bombings April 15 2013

    The Titanic sank April 15 1912

    Abraham Lincoln died April 15 1865

    I wonder why April 15 is so important to [them].

    This you can ban.

  78. Leigh Lowe

    Why should Australians fund the resto of Notre Dame?
    Is France a third world country?

    Not yet.
    Scheduled to attain Third World status by mid 2020, but is ahead of schedule.

  79. Stimpson J. Cat

    This you can ban.

    How about you learn to code your own website if you have enough time to suggest banning people.
    Just like all the journalists are.

    Stimpson J. Cat admonished C.L. on Catallaxy April 15 2019.

  80. Arky

    With the way things are, a blog cannot perform the function of a free and open platform for debate.
    The pretense is more dangerous than just letting it go.

  81. Bruce of Newcastle

    Anne – If an iceberg sank Notre Dame it wouldn’t’ve been necessary for French firefighters to spray water on it.

  82. Stimpson J. Cat

    Have we ruled out Global Warming as a cause Bruce?

  83. Tom

    Arky, anarchy is a suburb of leftism, patrolled by the thugs of Antifa.

  84. Bruce of Newcastle

    ABC news at midday announces that “one of the world’s major tourist attractions” has burned down.
    Disgusted, I hit the off button.

  85. stackja

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2989241, posted on April 16, 2019 at 12:04 pm

    ABC ‘don’t do God’.

  86. thefrollickingmole

    We will need an international search and fund started to seek the help of the world’s greatest artisans. There are very few left and we need their help.

    Your prayers are answered.

    Horrible thing though, been there once, pretty awesome place, wish Id had a lot longer to linger.

  87. mh

    I’d have thought the ABC would have said ‘something happened to the controversial non-inclusive Notre Dame building in multicultural Paris.’

  88. Viva

    They managed to preserve St Paul’s through the blitz but couldn’t manage to preserve Notre Dame through a renovation

  89. rickw

    Paris prosecutors have opened an investigation into the fire. They have ruled out arson and possible terror-related motives and instead think the blaze was started by accident.

    So the fire was the result of is lamic arson.

  90. rickw

    is lamic now seems to trigger the spaminator.

  91. Infidel Tiger

    The fire started in the spire, so it would seem unlikely it was arson.

  92. Has Macron apologised to the Muesli’s in the banlieues for the smoke drifting over yet?

    Or will he dress up like the Pope and hug some Nuns?

    Find out in the next exciting reality TV episode of “My Virtue Rules.”

  93. rickw

    However, given the enormous care conservators take to prevent and control sparks/ignition sources when working around timber structures, l’accident would be a truly extraordinary operational fuckup, and not just a casual stray spark, or an insouciant fag-end flicked away by some dim charpentier.

    Having worked on one reasonable sized building construction project, I can tell you that fire prevention is an absolute top priority once you get past the structural work. Fire extinguishers everywhere, fire watchers, hot work permit system etc. etc. On a building of such importance it is incredibly unlikely that the fire is construction related.

  94. Dr Fred Lenin

    The HQ of the Police Judiciaire are on the island , no doubt the director will ensure a r=thorough investigation is made , in conjunction with the sapeurs de pompier fire experts under the supervision of a magistrate . The cause will be revealed by the magistrate after he has questioned everyone involved and made his decision . Hopefully a modern Maigret is in charge of the field investigation ,always liked Maigret ,so laid back and clever ,and really mannerly ,well brought up French man .

  95. Bruce of Newcastle

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    I’m with Optus.
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    NBN Corporation is a government company, Optus rents from them. Telstra has nothing to do with them, they sold it to NBN.
    Yes sir that is what I said, NBN is a government company and you are with Optus! Your internet connection is insecure.
    Maybe you should have a talk with your supervisor, your script needs a bit of work…(I hang up).

    I do love Paki call centre people, they let absolutely nothing phase them.

  96. Bruce of Newcastle

    Oops, wrong thread…

  97. hzhousewife

    New header from a photo I took in 2017.

    I will have to dig out my rose window photos from 1976.
    Sad this has happened.

  98. Enyaw

    April 15 Notre Dame …March 15 …New ZEALAND ..MASSACRE …CHRISTCHURCH = IDES OF MARCH !!

  99. Ubique

    ABC don’t do God

    ABC don’t do Christian God. FIFY.

  100. Chris M

    The French have become a collection of Godless pagans and apostates who abandoned Christianity so I guess you could day they have little need for such a building.

  101. Megan

    Two of the rose windows remain. They were the most magnificent examples of the glorious interplay of glass and light. Reflecting on the ABC bemoaning the loss of a great tourist attraction, I wonder when was the last time any of the sobbing social media tragics have ever entered a cathedral for the purpose for which it was built.

  102. Stimpson J. Cat

    The fire started in the spire, so it would seem unlikely it was arson.

    Has anyone considered an Act of God yet?

    Or at the very least a very very strong laser pointer?

    This is what happens when you don’t listen to the warnings, kids.

  103. Ubique

    Just waiting for the ABC to urge listeners to buy an EV to offset the carbon emissions from the conflagration at the Paris tourist attraction.

  104. notafan

    I think the Vatican has plenty of money.

    You think wrongly

  105. notafan

    I hope during the restoration process, when it is safe of course Notre Dame start charging visitors a hefty sum like the Sagrada Familia does.

    Free to attend mass but everyone else 20 euros. at least.

    Sagrada Familia, which was a long way from being finished at the time, was destroyed by Spanish revolutionaries at the start of the Spanish Civil war and has taken now around 140 years to be built, but even when they were working on the interior paying visitors could enter the building.

    Work stilll going and over 20 euros for the tourist visit.

  106. stackja

    Infidel Tiger
    #2989099, posted on April 16, 2019 at 9:57 am

    Will George GetUp?

  107. Stimpson J. Cat

    You think wrongly

    Do they have more money than myself,
    and Jesus?

    Why yes, yes, they do.

    So I would say plenty is a fair assumption.

  108. stackja

    Vatican can just sell it all. Just ask Morris West.

  109. Stimpson J. Cat

    But don’t take my word for it.
    What does George say:

    Cardinal George P€ll says that the discovery means that the Vatican’s finances are healthier than they first appeared.
    He writes: “It is important to point out that the Vatican is not broke. Apart from the pension fund, which needs to be strengthened for the demands on it in 15 or 20 years, the Holy See is paying its way, while possessing substantial assets and investments.
    “In fact, we have discovered that the situation is much healthier than it seemed, because some hundreds of millions of euros were tucked away in particular sectional accounts and did not appear on the balance sheet. It is another question, impossible to answer, whether the Vatican should have much larger reserves.”

    Case closed.

  110. notafan

    Stimpy you are arguing like a numbers

    the arrested monsignor was not laundering money for the Vatican but through the Vatican

  111. notafan

    Oh and ‘is paying it’s way it not ‘very rich’

    like I said

    arguing like a numbers

    Please run the sell all the treasure argument again

  112. Mark A

    Infidel Tiger
    #2989265, posted on April 16, 2019 at 12:42 pm

    The fire started in the spire, so it would seem unlikely it was arson.

    Why?

  113. Habib

    Fuck giving the frogs francs, they can re-build their sky pixie kennel with some of the dough they’ve filched off us in numerous idiotic defence deals.

  114. notafan

    Because that is the initial finding of the prosecutors?

    Because arsonists usually start fires at multiple places throughout the building?

    In any case it is too early to know for sure

    usually gi hardies claim credit very quickly

  115. vr

    Here is some visuals of the roof that went up in flames. From a documentary.

  116. stackja

    Cathédrale Notre Dame Paris 22 minutes ago webcam

    Current Local Time in Paris: 06:33 – There is currently morning twilight (Sunrise: 06:58 – Sunset: 20:43)

  117. Mater

    Why should Australians fund the resto of Notre Dame?

    As the largest single shareholder of Engie, the ideologically inclined French Government was responsible for the closure of Hazelwood.

    Let them eat cake.

  118. Infidel Tiger

    Why should Australians fund the resto of Notre Dame?

    Because Notre Dame belongs to the world.

    We let these Notre Dame go, imagine what else we can dispose of.

  119. The fire started in the spire, so it would seem unlikely it was arson.

    Why?

    Apparently Mueslis cannot start fires in tall buildings.
    Oh hang on…

  120. Hugh

    Counting down the seconds till a secularist luvvie virtue signals with “Je suis Notre Dame” apparel.

  121. rickw

    We let these Notre Dame go, imagine what else we can dispose of.

    Pretty much everything else has already been disposed of!

  122. notafan

    When Notre dame is rebuilt can the put the spires on the front, finally?

  123. stackja

    notafan
    #2989346, posted on April 16, 2019 at 2:24 pm

    Partial destruction not worth claiming credit?

  124. Mater

    The fire started in the spire, so it would seem unlikely it was arson.

    Any drones in the area at the time?

  125. stackja

    Spire delay mechanism? Consumed in the flames?

  126. Ubique

    The fire started an hour or so after the restoration works were finished for the day. It’s therefore a little hard to imagine what might have started the blaze – an electrical fault? A carelessly discarded cigarette butt? An incendiary device on a timer? Lightning?

  127. stackja

    Ubique
    #2989384, posted on April 16, 2019 at 3:23 pm

    WW2 movies showed many ways.

  128. Infidel Tiger

    Molyneux is a disgraceful grifter.

    It behooves all righteous people to ignore him.

  129. notafan

    How on earth is a youtuber in the US going to know what the cause of the fire at Notre Dame is?

    Let’s not embarrass ourselves jumping to conclusions

    sure it coulda woulda shoulda

    And don’t forget molybdenum has a financial motive for spreading his manure

  130. notafan

    The fire started in the attic

  131. areff

    Who knows how it started, but it’s not unheard of for renovations and fire to make a match. Ask the Queen, whose Windsor was almost destroyed by a fire that also broke out during renovations.

    Some of the supposing going on above is, as notafan notes, embarassing.

  132. Stimpson J. Cat

    Is there anyone with a keyboard out the front singing Imagine in French yet?

  133. Colonel Crispin Berka

    They managed to preserve St Paul’s through the blitz but couldn’t manage to preserve Notre Dame through a renovation

    Oh I dunno, at least the French managed to save their twin towers.

    Too soon?

    Compare the earliest photo on twitter [ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4NYufkU4AAX2be.jpg ] with another taken 20 minutes later [ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4NdBfEUYAI50ze.jpg ] by the same person (@ELeavenworth). Light smoke has become visible fire. Another 30 mins later and the eastern half of the roof is mostly gone, but the spire is still standing. [ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4NklLQXkAEA5un.jpg:large ] Maybe a question over whether the spire would still have to be totally rebuilt at that point, but putting out the fire would have stopped the spire from crashing into the rest of the building.
    In my outsider armchair-colonel’s opinion, if they’d gotten firehoses onto the spire within the first 20 minutes most of the roof could have been saved. Look at the 2nd photo, there is no water being sprayed on the fire. What the hell were the firefighters doing for 20 minutes while a national icon was burning? I guess the French really are lovers and not fighters.
    Yeah okay, that’s “too soon” squared.

  134. Confused Old Misfit

    What the hell were the firefighters doing for 20 minutes while a national icon was burning?

    Question 1: How far away were the first responders?
    Question 2: When was the alarm sent in to the firies?

  135. dopey

    Who will supervise the repairs I wonder. Keating or Turnbull ?

  136. Tel

    What the hell were the firefighters doing for 20 minutes while a national icon was burning?

    Government employees in France would regard a 20 minute response as bordering on ludicrous speed and only survivable once of twice in a lifetime.

  137. Infidel Tiger

    20 mins to get a truck through in Paris isn’t bad.

    Especially since the city is in lock down thanks to the anarchists.

  138. Ubique

    What the hell were the firefighters doing for 20 minutes while a national icon was burning?

    Fair go – not every French firefighter maintains a mistress close to Île de la Cité, and it does take a while to get les pantalons back on, after all.

  139. Not Uh oh

    Must be a bugger for atheists not to be able to claim this as God’s judgement.

  140. Confused Old Misfit

    Say 2 min to get geared up to open the station doors.
    The travel time calculator says 9 minunes to the cathedral from from 7 rue de Sévigné, 75004 Paris, closest station, so say 4 minutes.
    That’s 6 minutes gone.
    Amother 3 minutes to asses the situation.
    That’s 9 minutes.
    Another say 3 minutes to connect hoses and get gear to the base of the fire.
    That’s 12 minute. Near enough to 15minute an a fire that did its major damage in 63 minutes.
    As a former volunteer I’d say they dis all right.

  141. Leigh Lowe

    Why should Australians fund the resto of Notre Dame?

    Because Notre Dame belongs to the world.

    We let these Notre Dame go, imagine what else we can dispose of.

    If it is not done voluntarily, IT, it is not worth doing.
    I agree with Morro on this one. Yes, a good cause, but not one where the contribution should be mandated via taxes.

  142. Leigh Lowe

    areff

    #2989461, posted on April 16, 2019 at 4:59 pm

    Who knows how it started, but it’s not unheard of for renovations and fire to make a match. Ask the Queen, whose Windsor was almost destroyed by a fire that also broke out during renovations.

    Also, I am poring over the building regs for Paris for the 12th and 13th century.
    Nowhere do they refer to spinklers or smoke detectors.
    What was wrong with these people?

  143. Confused Old Misfit

    Yes, a good cause, but not one where the contribution should be mandated via taxes.

    Yes.
    Absolutely,
    Your personal contribution should reflect your appreciation of its value to civilization.
    Which should be substantial.

  144. Infidel Tiger

    All monies previously directed to Palestinian causes should be directed to rebuild Notre Dame.

  145. Infidel Tiger

    French billionaire businessman Bernard Arnault’s family and his LVMH luxury goods group will donate 200 million euros ($316 million AUD) to help repair the cathedral, said a statement issued on his behalf.

    Look alike our funds won’t be needed any way.

    Rich folk are good for something.

  146. Infidel Tiger

    “It’s a pretty special place and to see it in flames today was just really sad,”

    Morrison sounds like he is describing a fire at the Bonnydoon Caravan Park dunnies.

  147. C.L.

    Yes, a “special place.”
    I just heard it referred to as a “monument” on the radio news.
    The ABC referred to it as a “tourist attraction” (somebody here, earlier today).
    I watched The Project’s package on it tonight (delivered by Waleed).
    The word “Catholic” wasn’t used once, nor was its status as the spiritual home of the French Church mentioned in any way. They crossed to Some Australian Dude who gave a banal account of his sads. He said it will be strange to have a beer on the park near Notre Dame this summer because he used to see the back of the cathedral ‘n stuff.

  148. Infidel Tiger

    We need to rebuild Notre Dame and civilisation.

  149. C.L.

    Yes. The work must go on.

  150. mh

    Look alike our funds won’t be needed any way.

    Rich folk are good for something.

    I think you should still chip in.

  151. Infidel Tiger

    I think you should still chip in.

    As soon as there is a legitimate avenue to do so, I will.

  152. mh

    Good on you, IT.

    You have an emotional investment in the noble achievements of men.

  153. Infidel Tiger

    Our built history is of utmost importance.

    There is a reason barbarians demolish it as soon as they are able.

    One only has to look at what is happening in our beautiful old Australiana suburbs to be very dispirited.

  154. C.L.

    Parliament House in Canberra stands but Notre Dame burns.
    There is no cosmic sense to that.
    Nobody would care if the former sizzled to the ground.

  155. Colonel Crispin Berka

    More TDS detected in Guardian’s coverage of this fire.
    What Trump literally tweeted:

    So horrible to watch the massive fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris. Perhaps flying water tankers could be used to put it out. Must act quickly!

    What the French and the Guardian claimed that Trump had said:

    [junior interior minister, Laurent Nuñez] defended the fact water-bombing planes were not been used, as suggested by US President Donald Trump, saying that such action would have posed a “major danger” for the structure.

    Trump did not say which type of aircraft should be used. So of course every Progressive moron has just assumed he meant the most idiotic possible type, which is the CL-415 super-scooper float plane frequently used in France and Spain for bushfires and which drops 6 tonnes of water at a time.
    Yes that would be foolhardy, so lucky Trump never said to use that type.

    The Civil Defense made these tweets (in time order) which I’ve got auto-translated with Bing:

    Full support for firefighters @PompiersParis in the course of intervention on the dramatic fire of Notre-Dame. All means are committed except for the technically unsuitable Canadair aircraft to extinguish this type of fire.

    The drop of water by air on this type of building could indeed result in the collapse of the entire structure. Alongside the firefighters who are currently doing the maximum to save #NotreDame.

    Helicopter or airplane, the weight of the water and the intensity of dropping at low altitude could indeed weaken the structure of Notre-Dame and result in collateral damage to the buildings in the vicinity.

    Hundreds of firemen of the Paris Fire Brigade are doing everything they can to bring the terrible #NotreDame fire under control. All means are being used, except for water-bombing aircrafts which, if used, could lead to the collapse of the entire structure of the cathedral.

    Trump never mentioned Canadair planes. Just those silly froggies jumped to nasty conclusions.
    The Sécurité Civile did not talk about using the type of helicopter which can put out fires in buildings without dropping a load of water on it. The firefighting lance attachment for the Simplex helicopter firefighting module is available for several helicopter models, but particularly for the Airbus EC225 and for the Russian Kamov Ka-32 which is already used for firefighting by South Korea and Japan. Here is a demo video originally made by Kamov. https://youtu.be/q-AiKvD-ru4?t=106
    It squirts water horizontally in a jet, it does not drop the water as a big load. This would have been the best resource to deploy if such aircraft had been available to Sécurité Civile, which it may not have been at the time.

    No idea if Trump meant that type of system when he tweeted. He may well have been thinking of the foolish super scooper option, we don’t know. But he did not specify which aircraft type and he never used the word “drop”. Just more TDS from the French and the media.

  156. Notafan

    St Paul’s had firewatchers there all the time, in any case St Pauls was badly damaged, iirc Americans paid for the repairs.

    St Paul’s being the new St Paul’s that replaced the one that burnt down a while back.

  157. Infidel Tiger

    Sky News Breaking
    @SkyNewsBreak
    The chief executive of the French oil and gas company Total says it will make a €100m (£86.3m) donation towards the rebuilding of Notre-Dame Cathedral
    7:06 PM · Apr 16, 2019 · TweetDeck

    Fantastique.

    We should levy a tax on all large corporations to help repair our historical monuments and the treasures of civilisation.

  158. None

    Can you imagine the Irish dwarf even contributing to such a fund?

  159. None

    It was typically grotesque of Bill Shorten to use a tragedy for political Point scoring. But that’s the left for you totally and utterly disgusting. Notre Dame is owned by the French government. Who also refuse to pay for itz upkeep which is why it got so run down and needed major repairs. If the French government had any decency it would pay for the repairs now and then hand Notte Dame back to the church. Buckleys.

  160. notafan

    You are right None

    The Church in France never charged a penny for the millions of tourists many of whom treated their beautiful cathedral with no respect and never put a penny in the donation boxes.

    They should have charged like wounded bulls like they do at St Paul’s and Westminster etc

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