Justinian the Great: The Most Stupid Election Ever!

The Australian Nuclear Science Technology Organisation is a government agency and taxpayers fund it about $200m per year for operations alone.

According to ANSTO:

nuclear power is one of the fastest growing energy options for countries seeking energy security and low-emission energy solutions.

According to Labor environment spokesman, Tony Burke:

Nuclear power is against the law in Australia. It is extraordinary that Scott Morrison is now contemplating changing the law to allow nuclear power stations in Australia.

According to Scott Morrison having previously opened the door to nuclear energy a tiny, tiny fraction:

This is not our policy and we have no plans to change that.

If that is not evidenced based policy from Labor and Liberal I don’t what is. Why we fund ANSTO for government to wholly disregard is beyond me.

Meanwhile both parties are committed to ludicrous emissions reductions targets, irresponsible population growth, and electric vehicles!

Would it be too much for a journalist to ask Shorten or Burke how it is ok to have a nuclear reactor for medical purposes but not for energy?

Can they ask Di’Natale if the good doctor’s opposition to nuclear technology extends to denying nuclear medicine to his unfortunate patients?

Can anyone ask the Prime Minister why is it legal to export uranium for energy but illegal to use uranium for domestic energy production?

Can anyone ask any politician how it is we manage to handle and store spent fuel rods and radioactive waste at Lucas Heights without fuss?

This really is the most stupid election ever in what is fast becoming (and PISA scores prove) the most stupid nation on earth.

Of course just when you think things can’t get any dumber I came across this gem from the CEO of ANSTO from its latest annual report:

ANSTO is a member of the Science and Gender Equity initiative (SAGE) which strives to address gender equity in the STEMM sector in Australia. We made a number of advances in this area over the year including welcoming Jayne Senior and Pamela Naidoo-Ameglio onto the ANSTO Executive. I would like to thank them for their contribution to the team.

Seems like the state of science at ANSTO just went critical as well!

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23 Responses to Justinian the Great: The Most Stupid Election Ever!

  1. Bruce of Newcastle

    Why we fund ANSTO for government to wholly disregard is beyond me.

    They produce pretty much all the medical isotopes for Australian hospitals, and do rather a lot of metallurgical testwork and piloting for Australian mining companies. Not sure they cost the government a great deal actually.

    Ditch CSIRO, keep ANSTO. The latter have a much better commercial and realist outlook. It helps that as nuclear people they are pariahs already, so there’s nothing to seduce them to go lefty.

  2. stackja

    CSIRO got the rabbit. Then got AGW under RGR. Unless shows improvement. Yes go away.

  3. stackja

    Most Cats, don’t it seems, remember Gough election.

  4. Haydenlee

    And how come it is safe to stuff 160 or so submariner crew into a long metal cylinder along with a nuclear power plant and send it underwater for months at a time but a site for a waste dump of nuclear materials can’t be safely located anywhere in Australia’s outback. Meanwhile, our major hospitals store low risk nuclear waste under the stairs, in the basement, but sending it to a waste dump in the outback is too risky, for us.
    Yeah right…

  5. John Constantine

    Credlins scrolling headline reads that three million Australians are depending on antidepressants to get through the day.

    Here are their lefts drugged voteherds.

    What percentage of pale ABC Fairfax wymynsys are on drugs?.

    Thirty percent of white premenopausal leftist wymynsys chemically dependant?.

    Poor fella my country.

  6. TBH

    I’ve never understood why we’re happy to sell fissile material to other countries to produce electricity but think we’re above using it ourselves. Australia should be a fantastic to use nuclear power and frankly store the waste products. Other countries should be paying us to do it for them.

    With modern reactor designs the risks are far lower than in the past so I’m not sure why it can’t be on the table here? I think that and then I remember that we’re a nation of immature imbeciles who are unable to have an adult conversation about any big and important issues.

    If the major political parties have decided that fossil fuels are out of bounds for future energy use, then they’d better come up with a plan for base load power in a bloody hurry, because renewables and batteries aren’t getting us there any time soon.

  7. Pyrmonter

    A question for the Great Justinian …

    Where in the world has adopted nuclear power without:

    (a) heavy government intervention; and
    (b) specialised liability limitations?

    The history of the UK nuclear industry (albeit one once tied to strategic armaments development) is one of fantastic promises of low cost energy that have never eventuated. Instead, they’re stuck with the government picking up the yet to be costed liability to remediate dozens of now disused nuclear power stations. What guarantee have we that the same would not occur here? And why would we use nukes when we have abundant gas capable of recovery by ‘unconventional’ means?

  8. Tezza

    You might like to your list of stupidities that Australia has been a member since 2016 of the Generation IV International Forum, “a co-operative international endeavour which was set up to carry out the research and development needed to establish the feasibility and performance capabilities of the next generation nuclear energy systems.”…..” Currently active members of the Generation IV International Forum (GIF) include: Australia, Canada, China, the European Atomic Energy Community (Euratom), France, Japan, Russia, South Africa, South Korea, Switzerland, and the United States. The non-active members are Argentina, Brazil, and the United Kingdom. Switzerland joined in 2002, Euratom in 2003, and China and Russia in 2006. ”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_IV_reactor

    So we are members of an organisation establishing the feasibility of alternative designs for future intrinsically safe reactor types that it is illegal for us to deploy, and impossible for our politicians to even discuss sensibly.

  9. mem

    Thank you Justinian for shaking the plums on the tree. Timely article. Yes, we in Australia need to come to terms with the whole nuclear energy thing. Unfortunately Australians still have a big outdated guilt/scary/blow-up monster thing about nuclear that has been fanned by the Labor Party, yet other countries have moved on with nuclear now providing much of the western worlds energy. It is Labor that is the Luddites in this field with Libs kowtowing as usual. Time for a change!

  10. J.H.

    On the contrary, science didn’t go critical at ANSTO. It fizzled. Political Correctness soaked up too much intellect to initiate critical thinking….. Back to the drawing board.

  11. DaveR

    Meanwhile both parties are committed to ludicrous emissions reductions targets, irresponsible population growth, and electric vehicles!

    And the Liberals have forgotten to shore up the conservative right after Turnbull/Bishop drove them away.

    Which is why we will see the rise of Abbott again and now Palmer. Both of whom are pro nuclear power.

  12. Justinian the Great

    Bruce I wasn’t suggesting we get rid of ANSTO merely the stupidity of our politicians that ignore the work they do and pretend our nuclear medicine comes from pixies at the bottom of the garden and not a reactor. Other readers I am not advocating nuclear merely the highlighting the stupidity of the ban and fact it is not even part of the energy discussion if emissions reductions, price and stability is your thing. Personally I don’t buy the AGW scare and discount it further due to the fact the rest of the world is doing anything material about it. Accordingly I don’t support limitations on fossil fuels. Let the cheapest, most reliable energy supply prevail.

  13. Sburban Boy

    … just when you think things can’t get any dumber …

    Also from ANSTO’s latest annual report, this mandatory expression of wokeness:
    “ANSTO continues to partner with Male Champion of Change to collectively learn, benchmark and progress on gender equity. Recent achievements include providing a Prayer and Meditation facility, Domestic Violence support and LGBTI+ support network.”

  14. Suburban Boy

    “… just when you think things can’t get any dumber …”

    … they can get dumber (also from the latest annual report): “ANSTO continues to partner with Male Champion of Change to collectively learn, benchmark and progress on gender equity. Recent achievements include providing a Prayer and Meditation facility, Domestic Violence support and LGBTI+ support network.”

  15. NB

    It is a certainty that nuclear fusion will be the answer, at least while we wait for the interminably delayed fission.
    Who will be the politician to gain the mantle of far-sighted pioneer, directing Australia towards a nuclear future? It will, for sure, be the winners of the upcoming election, because nuclear’s time has arrived. But, pre-election, who might get in soonest to say ‘I said it first’?
    By the way, the Lib Dems already support nuclear. https://www.ldp.org.au/energy

    Nuclear energy:
    There is a longstanding perception that nuclear power plants are expensive and dangerous with the potential for accidents and leaks outweighing the potential benefits they could provide. There are also concerns about what to do with nuclear waste products such as spent fuel rods.
    Whether or not these concerns were once valid, they are certainly not valid now. Advances in the design of nuclear power plants mean that they are now safe and produce quite small quantities of waste. Moreover, waste can be safely stored indefinitely.

  16. Rafe Champion

    This has run on the Cat a few times in previous years but for newcomers and people who have forgotten this is the story of the international effort to block nuclear power that was especially effective in Australia

  17. Mother Lode

    Nuclear power is against the law in Australia. It is extraordinary that Scott Morrison is now contemplating changing the law to allow nuclear power stations in Australia.

    Indeed.

    Changing a law?

    That has never happened before.

    The left have learned to mimic form of logical argument, but not the content.

    Think of the Chewbacca Defence from South Park:

    He (Johnnie Chochran) asks the jury why a Wookiee like Chewbacca would want to live on Endor with the much smaller Ewoks when “it does not make sense”. He argues that if Chewbacca living on Endor does not make sense—and if even mentioning Chewbacca in the case does not make sense—then the jury must acquit.

  18. Mother Lode

    Whoops,

    Block quote fail on that last paragraph.

    It is from Wikipedia.

  19. Frank

    Can they ask Di’Natale if the good doctor’s opposition to nuclear technology extends to denying nuclear medicine to his unfortunate patients?

    Bob Brown–also a doctor–wanted it banned for medical use too. Then it got shelved for being a ridiculous idea.

    Technically x-rays would be nuclear medicine so that broken femur gets set by jiggle it and guess methods in future.

  20. Tel

    There’s some economic and social problems with nuclear power, and it isn’t related to any technical issue.

    The main problem is front-loaded profits and late cleanup costs. Typical reactor has a design life of about 40 to 50 years, and they are not repairable. Let’s consider Fukishima Unit-1 built in 1967, started commercial operation in 1971 so at the time of the tsunami it had done 40 years of service, but the Japanese government had just signed off and cleared it to run another 10 years. More modern reactor designs nominally have longer lifespans … the Russians will happily sell you a VVER series rector (same basic design as Fukishima Unit-1 but much more modern build quality) and certify it for 60 years.

    There were some other stupid things the Japanese did at Fukishima such as having all the backup electrical systems in pits below sea level, including the DC batteries which don’t work too well when mixed with seawater. Ultimately though it’s a trust problem … some guy looks at it and says, “Yes this is safe” and everyone else just needs to go along with that. In Australia, we have difficulty trusting the government to do anything, and all the private industries will go alone with whatever numbnuts plan government comes up with, so there’s no one who could be considered reliable enough to make such decisions.

    Then you have the perverse incentive of old equipment … keep it running and make a profit with some unquantifiable risk, or shut it down and begin orderly cleanup which costs money. No matter how you do it, the day it gets shut down will be a big negative on the balance sheet.

  21. That’s a leading question so to speak Tel.

    You know the Gen IV reactors can use waste as fuel right? Plus fusion basically has “no” waste.

  22. Dr Faustus

    There were some other stupid things the Japanese did at Fukishima such as having all the backup electrical systems in pits below sea level, including the DC batteries which don’t work too well when mixed with seawater.

    Also built at a location almost adjacent to one of the World’s most active subduction zones, with a long, documented history of tsunami flooding.

    Similarly Chernobyl. An early Soviet ‘fail hot’ reactor design, built with 1940’s materials, without containment, deliberately operated out of design envelope in an informal and unplanned test.

    These egregious fuckups have replaced the 1960’s CND nuclear proliferation arguments as the ‘go to’, slam-dunk, no argument accepted, rationale for not considering nuclear power.

  23. Justinian the Great

    JH I meant critical in the medical sense as a play on words.

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