Monday Forum: May 6, 2019

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  1. feelthebern

    Nice & fresh.
    Very un-Cat like.

  2. Atoms for Peace

    Randomn empty spot. I’ll claim it

  3. John Constantine

    Labor on their abc radio country hour boasting they ‘restructured’ the australian live cattle trade under little joe ludwig.[ court case not yet settled]

    Nothing for cattle producers to fear from labor greens.

    Live sheep industry to be dynamited, as they can’t bring themselves to say the middle east is not fit to buy live animals.

    50% reduction of grazing animals in australia by 2030.

    Comrades.

  4. feelthebern

    Welcome to the Cat.
    Where those who hold grudges forever roam.

  5. Mark M

    So … Bill Shorten is going to stop doomsday global warming from err … warming, cure cancer, give everyone pay rises, spend even more on schools and hospitals, give more money to teachers and increase dole payments without increasing taxes.
    Australia. You’re standing in it.

  6. Cardimona

    Which way to Tom’s ‘toons…?

    <—back there?

  7. We did early voting today and the entire process gives me the shits. First off, I do not understand why we don’t just vote for one party, or representative, and do away with preferences entirely (why do we now have to select a shed load of parties in the Senate ticket?). Secondly, I don’t understand why it’s not permitted to put up each parties ‘cheat sheet’ in the polling booth and do away with the waste of handouts, as well as the annoying rabble at every polling entrance. And I’d much rather sit at home and vote via the internet, I can do everything else through the internet.

  8. feelthebern

    And I’d much rather sit at home and vote via the internet, I can do everything else through the internet.

    Agree.
    But that wouldn’t allow the AEC to lose votes in elections they don’t like.

  9. We did early voting today and the entire process gives me the shits. First off, I do not understand why we don’t just vote for one party, or representative, and do away with preferences entirely (why do we now have to select a shed load of parties in the Senate ticket?).

    Because Corman and Turnbull decided that the competition (ALA, ACP, LDP, PHON, SFF) were snapping at their heels and they MUST be disenfranchised.

  10. John Constantine

    Snow down to 800 meters thursday/friday in vicco.

    Global warming is the reason we need a fascist Tyranny.

    Comrades.

    Could have shorn some sheep going into this, but reckon crutching another mob instead is the way to go.

  11. John Constantine

    Their shorten labor government promises cultural water allocations taken from the irrigation water of the murray darling basin and given to Big Men to use as they culturally see fit, no strings.

    Voteherd theory, shorten style.

    Comrades.

  12. Roger

    50% reduction of grazing animals in australia by 2030.

    + 50% reduction of graziers and a doubling of red meat prices.

    The proletariat had best get accustomed to buying plant burgers at Maccas.

  13. feelthebern

    Memory Vault & numbers catch up to discuss how their local chippy gave them regular salt instead of chicken salt…20 years ago.

  14. Geez the left wingers who probably don’t even think BTC should exist at all, really hate Craig Wright.

    https://www.vox.com/2016/5/2/11567284/craig-wright-bitcoin-hoax

    If he can’t prove anything, it may be that Daniel Kleinman (his research and business partner) died in 2013.

  15. woolfe

    And I’d much rather sit at home and vote via the internet, I can do everything else through the internet

    But then the Russians would intercept your vote and replace it with their candidate.

  16. feelthebern

    Snippet from Alex Jones:
    facebook want to know when you’re jerking off !

    I’d say phrasing, but I’m not sure what to..

  17. https://medium.com/@roomofsatoshi/lightning-network-is-now-live-at-living-room-of-satoshi-a3078ed2c933

    Wait, Lightning has been working since last year?

    All they’ve got to do is get rid of the silly forks. Coin Jar and Living Room of Satoshi work pretty well.

    Craig Wright (1/2 of Satoshi Nakamoto) doesn’t like what BTC has become, but it is out of his hands now.

    If BTC BSV can work like what BTC is meant to do; no scaling issues, no forking nonsense and with an option to have a personalised wallet with no fees (and be integrated with banks and credit cards), it will be a new global currency.

  18. Holy cow.

    You could seriously make a hollywood epic about this!

    Humble sliced bread: it was an epic tale of romantic dreaming, tragedy, innovation, personal sacrifice, down on their luck businessmen having a go and facing government intervention like that of a nightmare written into Ayn Rand, but ultimately financial and personal success:

    https://priceonomics.com/the-invention-of-sliced-bread/

  19. mh

    feelthebern
    #3005762, posted on May 6, 2019 at 12:48 pm
    Snippet from Alex Jones:
    facebook want to know when you’re jerking off !

    Dear Mark Zuckerberg, since buying Super Male Vitality from the Infowars Store I have been jerking off once very hour.

  20. min

    I was watching Bowen and Frydenberg buthad to leave for Italian Conversation.
    Josh was too wooden and not relaxed enough. Any comments on how itturned out .

  21. Do Billionaire Androids Dream of Digital BLEEP?

  22. feelthebern

    The problem with Alex Jones is that you want to be entertained, but at the same time, you don’t want too much rubbing off on you.

  23. Herodotus

    Randomn empty spot. I’ll claim it

    Under the principle of blogga nullius.

  24. Geriatric Mayfly

    Bugger. Got caught on the cusp.

    And another thing Plibbers probably found too distasteful to mention was blow fly strike on new blankets when put out on the line. Back in those hard, oppressive times of which she has such vivid memories, blow flies found something to their liking in new woollen blankets. As some lay live wrigglies as opposed to eggs, it would have given her quite a jolt to see them on the march up the Onkaparinga.

  25. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘I ended up in the army to do a job, not get a job’

    For the moment, the fred is refreshingly free of the stench of cowardice Four Leaf Tayback, amply demonstrated towards the end of the OOF, brings with him.

  26. Fred

    Labor wants to bring in vilification laws to protect LBGTQIRZ+, as they have a higher rate of suicide.

    Men and war veterans have a higher rate of suicide too.

    When are we going to get vilification laws to protect us?

  27. Knuckle Dragger

    From the OF:

    The differences:

    Menzies felt personally obligated to serve, but remained in Australia to look after the remainder of his family, which was entirely in line with community standards of the day. However, he enlisted in a reserve unit to at least show some solidarity with the troops at the front, and went on to lead the entire country through a phenomenal period of economic and social growth.

    Four Leaf Tayback did not feel personally obligated to serve, because he is a selfish sook. He went on to become a retired spastic herding tax hoover, and will forever lie in the historical equivalent of an pauper’s grave, unremarked on and unremembered by the ages.

    Having been dismembered once again on a subject, the Crayon Eater will now resume normal service by commenting on other matters, in which he has had considerably more success.

    Like Aeroflot.
    Like the US hospitality industry.
    Like locked and loaded SLRs.

    Ad goddamn nauseum.

  28. Leigh Lowe

    What we have learned today, boys and girls (and others)?
    Well, we learned that Private Spud is vewwy, vewwy bitter because he tried and failed to dodge the draft and is eternally enraged because he thinks (incorrectly) that Bob Menzies was better at dodging the draft than Spud.
    Sad.

  29. Bruce of Newcastle

    Which way to Tom’s ‘toons…?

    Ramirez was marvellous, but how can anyone beat Leak’s gimp, off to protest Adani?

  30. Memoryvault

    I don’t understand why it’s not permitted to put up each parties ‘cheat sheet’ in the polling booth and do away with the waste of handouts, as well as the annoying rabble at every polling entrance.

    That was researched back in 1987. It turns out, at that time, independent and small party members had introduced such a proposal eight times at federal and state level.

    Each and every time it was defeated by a combined vote by Liberal and Labor, who perceive an advantage to them in maintaining things the way they are. Very few independents and small parties can effectively man every polling booth all day.

    Just keep that in mind the next time they are espousing their “environmental concerns”. Hundreds of hectares of trees destroyed to print how to vote flyers. And recycled ones are even worse.

  31. John Comnenus

    Shorten will steal your franking credits and tax anyone who has more super than the pension. Seriously, how does anyone. It’s for this thief?

  32. Johno

    “It always amazes me that many youngish pollies of the time who were of military age (like for example John Howard) weren’t convinced enough of the threat of Communism to actually enlist to fight it.”

    Poor old sniffy, wouldn’t know if the bull was up him. John Howard was born profoundly deaf and would not have accepted into the ADF.
    As to joining the Army to get a job. I was working in a bank at the time and had just been accepted for a cadetship as a stockbroker. Beats the shit out of an apprentice spastic herder

  33. Pedro the Ignorant

    Just been catching up with Tom’s cartoons from today’s dawn early light.

    Can anyone here put their hand on their heart and say that they can recognise and name any of Rowe’s caricatures without having to read the labels he pins on them?

    I reckon he slurps down a bottle of OP Bundy Rum before he starts work on his visual diarrhoea.

    Nobody could draw that badly cold sober.

  34. As Franks rightly says, window licker, there was an existential threat to us.
    Communism.
    You, as a commie yourself, would however have embraced that.

    It’s passing strange, isn’t it, that this threat was so great that not enough loyal and anti-Communist Australians were worried enough about it to actually enlist.

  35. calli

    Washboard Blabbersack, the heroine of the Hard Years.

  36. Eyrie

    “It always amazes me that many youngish pollies of the time who were of military age (like for example John Howard) weren’t convinced enough of the threat of Communism to actually enlist to fight it.”
    They may be dishonest, immoral, thieving, deadshit, bastards but they aren’t stupid.

  37. stackja

    Angry private still upset.

  38. calli

    Oh noes! Have I waltzed into another SE Asian reminisce?

    Any washboards on the mighty Mekong?

  39. stackja

    Leftists didn’t want to fight Hitler until Stalin ordered them.

  40. cuckoo

    There can’t be many things worse than the ABC’s Vote Compass in which online polls of the ABC audience are presented as representative of Australia as a whole. I learned the other day, for example, that according to Vote Compass a majority of ‘Australians’ oppose the live export trade.

  41. Bruce of Newcastle

    Do Billionaire Androids Dream of Digital BLEEP?

    Fine movie, one of the best ever. In similar vein I watched Ender’s Game with Harrison Ford for the first time on Saturday night. It was on one of the FTAs.

    I was apprehensive, but it turned out to be really good. The book was compressed until it squeaked for mercy but the fillum managed to capture it pretty well. Mr Ford was flat at the start but got better. Asa Butterfield was excellent and Ben Kingsley is unsurpassable. Loved the battle game scenes.

    All Harrison needs is a political chip replacement and he’d be good. Maybe he and James Woods could swap brains.

  42. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    What we have learned today, boys and girls (and others)?
    Well, we learned that Private Spud is vewwy, vewwy bitter because he tried and failed to dodge the draft

    There was a perfectly legal alternative to being conscripted, which Numbers Bob chose not to take.

  43. Knuckle Dragger

    Zulu,

    Because he was smart. Waaaay smarter than the average bear.

    Because he thought serving his country was below him, and because he regarded volunteers as unskilled labour, and not worthy of a ‘man’ of his stature.

    And then he was wrong. On all counts. And got dragged kicking and screaming overseas, where he proved himself to be a hindrance to everybody else until he found a job well back behind the wire showing fillums.

    And has ever since revelled in the national service he tried so hard not to perform.

  44. stackja

    BON – Very few actors could be classed politically sensible. Hollywood supported Stalin. Hollywood made a movie about Che!

  45. 1735099

    There was a perfectly legal alternative…

    Only if you were clairvoyant.
    Very few 19 year olds are.
    ZK2A remains far too thick to understand this.

  46. Bruce of Newcastle

    Very few 19 year olds are.

    As an 18 year old I carefully checked the law, and determined that volunteers joining the AAR could not be sent overseas without their consent. Then I joined up. I am happy with my mediocre service. I received no medals. It was fun. I got paid, which as a uni student is a fine thing.

  47. stackja

    Angry private psychic?

  48. Mother Lode

    But that wouldn’t allow the AEC to lose votes in elections they don’t like.

    Oh, it opens up whole new vistas.

    First they would have your IP address with your vote. Then they could claim all sorts of reasons to ‘disqualify’ votes or have the software crash at random. And they will have no problem when someone turns up with a hard drive they just found with thousands of votes’ information.

    Remember the joys of the SSM plebiscite?

  49. Confused Old Misfit

    Very few 19 year olds are.

    At 19 I was a Senior Coordinating Producer with the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.
    Clairvoyance was not a job requirement but planning for future possibilities was.

  50. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Only if you were clairvoyant.
    Very few 19 year olds are.
    ZK2A remains far too thick to understand this.

    I’ve posted before, and given my references, that there were some ten thousand 19 year olds who were clairvoyant enough to take that option.

  51. Top Ender

    Of course, in this country you can’t purchase pepper spray for a young female relative to carry in her bag.

    And carrying a firearm is also out.

    In Melbourne too!

  52. 1735099

    Because he thought serving his country was below him….

    Never had a problem with serving – been doing it all my life.
    What I’ve always objected to is being used, especially by pseudo macho Coalition spivs.
    Unfortunately, there are a few of them still clinging to Oz politics like barnacles.
    There will be fewer remaining in a week or two.

  53. Top Ender

    The Daily Telegraph has claimed a Federal Court judge was biased, and that his awarding of $850,000 in damages to Geoffrey Rush was “excessive”, as it launched an appeal against the Oscar winner’s recent defamation victory.

    In a Notice of Appeal filed with the Federal Court, Nationwide News, publisher of the Telegraph (and), The Australian lists 16 grounds for appeal, including that the defamation trial heard by Justice Michael Wigney “miscarried in that the conduct of the proceedings by the primary judge gave rise to an apprehension of bias’’.

    Among the 16 examples of alleged judicial bias cited in the appeal notice is Justice Wigney’s key finding that the newspaper’s star witness, actress Eryn Jean Norvill, was an unreliable witness “prone to exaggeration” and lacking in credibility.

    The Telegraph will also challenge Justice Wigney’s “award of excessive special damages which was not supported by the evidence’’. The appeal document claims the judge used calculations to determine Rush’s special damages that exceeded those used by the actor’s Hollywood agent, Fred Specktor.

    It claims Justice Wigney used “derogatory terms” in oral statements and written judgments about the newspaper and its 2017 articles, which claimed Rush had behaved inappropriately towards a younger co-star during a Sydney Theatre Company King Lear production — an allegation the actor strenuously denied and that the judge found to be defamatory.

    Link but probably paywalled.

  54. cohenite

    From the last thread:

    Frank Walker from National Tiles

    #3005666, posted on May 6, 2019 at 11:19 am

    Welp

    https://www.welcometocountry.org/tony-abbott-linked-spike-indigenous-arrests-canberra/

    Tony Abbott linked to the 64 percent spike of Indigenous arrests in Canberra

    https://www.welcometocountry.org/australias-national-anthem-is-a-white-supremacist-song/

    I just love the first nations presumption of the right to welcome anyone to country when at best they were the third group to arrive here and eat the poor buggars who preceded them.

    I really like the Frank Walker tile ads. The guy speaking seems very happy.

  55. notafan

    getting paid to do a job is now ‘serving’

    So selfless

  56. 1735099

    Ten thousand nineteen year olds….

    And six times as many (63735) ended up as conscripts.
    Says it all, really.

  57. stackja

    First past the post voting doesn’t allow for personal preferences. You just get top who ever.

  58. notafan

    That just means smarter people are fewer in number than those who crossed their fingers and hoped two years of deferment would see them out and/or some that weren’t that bothered if their numbers came up.

  59. bespoke

    At least one of the 63735 was a future teacher, says it all really.

  60. cohenite

    With all the kiddie tears about globall warming Jo writes about the interesting temperature record at our BoM:

    Luckily Chris Gillham, unpaid volunteer, was watching the live half hour observations roll in at and saw that thermometers at the airport recorded a maximum of only 10.4°C at 11am that day, which he remarks is the lowest April maximum the BOM has ever recorded there. Strangely, the 10.4°C seems to have disappeared. Somehow, the BOM has estimated that April 19th in the city of Albany was 25.1°C on Friday April 19th, which is what is now entered as “raw data” in their Climate Data Online. This is despite temperatures in almost all the surrounding towns being similarly low, and often lowest ever records (for April) as well.

    10.4C to 25.1C. Amazing. The little girl should be crying about that.

  61. notafan

    Moving on from Menzies, any comments about that cowardly Curtin?

  62. Mark M

    Bill Shorten saves the planet from “12 years to go” doomsday global warming!

    Who knew just mentioning electric cars was so powerful …

    IOC President to urge Qld to bid for 2032 Olympics
    https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6033198733001

    Wait!

    2009: Global warming could make 2016 Games ‘the last Olympics in the history of mankind’, says Tokyo governor

    http://www.reuters.com/article/olympics-tokyo-environment-idUSLU38985020090930

  63. Knuckle Dragger

    NSW is apparently introducing legislation that will result in drivers blowing 0.05 to .009 (low range drink driving) losing their licence for three months, along with the requisite fine and demerit points.

    Previously, if you blew a low range reading you would just have the points and fine, like everywhere else.

    I would like to advance the opinion that this is a stupid law that reeks of unnecessary virtue and should be repealed. But it won’t be – rather, expect it to come in all over the country because is there’s anything cops like doing it’s pinching unsuccessful concepts from other cops.

    Some coiffed, Brylcreem-slathered muppet was just on Sky telling everyone how much of a risk low range BAC is to drivers. To a degree, he’s right.

    But so is fatigue. So is driving in thongs. So is having a pet in the car. So is driving with flu medication in your system. So is driving when you’re pissed off or upset. So is your phone ringing, whether you answer it or not. So is driving at dawn, dusk, using a car the same colour as the road or listening to Shorten on the radio. In Melbourne, so is listening to SEN in its current format. Driving with dangly things from your rear view mirror. If you’re a young bloke, driving with a new girlfriend.

    In spite of what the hysteria-spastics proclaim, driving with a BAC of 0.05 and up to 0.009 is not a significant risk. BAC also depends on your gender, body shape, how fit you are, whether you’ve eaten and how much rest you’ve had.

    Of course I’m not advocating hooning around rat-arsed, or having three bottles of vino before picking the kids up from school. Two schooners, under the right (or wrong) circumstances can put you over the limit – conversely, I’ve had six cans of full strength frothy, waited 15 minutes for mouth alcohol to disappear and still blew 0.01.

    It is impossible to take all these factors into consideration and then come to an informed decision that you’re 0.04, and not 0.05. The constraints of this legislation now mean you then run the risk of losing your licence and perhaps your job for no good reason.

    This legislation is dangerous and should be recognised as such. If you can’t knock off work, have three beers at the local and talk shit with your mates without wondering whether you’ve gone over before going home to ‘er indoors, then this country is in even more of a shit chute than I thought.

    There are currently people driving around who can’t actually drive in the first place, have blown tyres packed with spinifex, no windscreens, with four toddlers bouncing between the front and back seats and cannot park. I would submit these are far riskier behaviours but do not come with an automatic loss of licence. Perhaps our esteemed *spit* traffic cops *spit* could focus their behaviour there.

  64. Luckily Chris Gillham, unpaid volunteer, was watching the live half hour observations roll in at and saw that thermometers at the airport recorded a maximum of only 10.4°C at 11am that day, which he remarks is the lowest April maximum the BOM has ever recorded there. Strangely, the 10.4°C seems to have disappeared. Somehow, the BOM has estimated that April 19th in the city of Albany was 25.1°C on Friday April 19th, which is what is now entered as “raw data” in their Climate Data Online. This is despite temperatures in almost all the surrounding towns being similarly low, and often lowest ever records (for April) as well.

    Outrageous. This is the kind of stuff that would see pitchforks and torches in less civlised times.

    This ought to be front page news, but…

    🤡🌎

  65. I also note that the other day there was some Labor gathering where on the front bench were Rudd, Gillard and Keating, brought in to help the party. The first thing that came to mind was ‘They brought in these knife wielders to help Shorten?’ Were they there to advise Plibs, Penny or some other on how to dispose of Shorten once Labor won?

    The other note was the ironic quip by Keating about Morrison, a geriatric baseball cap wearer or the some such. The first thing that came to mind was to ponder from what museum or crypt did they dig up Keating? He even looked like the living dead.

  66. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Of course I’m not advocating hooning around rat-arsed, or having three bottles of vino before picking the kids up from school.

    The record here, in the Wild West, is five of the “yummy mummy” brigade, blowing over the limit, dropping off the kids at school, the morning after…

  67. This legislation is dangerous and should be recognised as such. If you can’t knock off work, have three beers at the local and talk shit with your mates without wondering whether you’ve gone over before going home to ‘er indoors, then this country is in even more of a shit chute than I thought.

    It is draconian nonsense, but all rational arguments are like fat and ugly kids at a year 12 dance…

  68. Knuckle Dragger

    If you had no problem with serving, why didn’t you take the two year option where you were guaranteed to be a koala?

    The only people you’ve ‘served’ since have been your accountants.

  69. Steve trickler

    The bloke in the female weight lifting comp…..I tip my hat. You have reminded me of this bloke.



  70. Knuckle Dragger

    Keating apparently said yesterday that the heads of the Australian security and intelligence services were ‘nutters’ and that Labor should work very closely with the Chinese.

    In response, Shorten commented that he admired the former PM as an astute elder statesman of the Labor Party, and that he continued to take advice from him on ‘a range of matters’.

  71. Memoryvault

    First past the post voting doesn’t allow for personal preferences. You just get top who ever.

    We could have the happy medium of voluntary preferential voting. You number down as far you have a preference, and then stop. So, there might be be seven candidates, you have a favourite, but you nominate a second preference and maybe a third, in case your first choice fails. You’ve never heard of the other four, so you don’t number them at all.

    In one of the by-elections in July of last year, there were seventeen candidates. To cast a valid vote people had to number all seventeen in order of preference. What a load of crap. Most voters would never have even heard of most of those candidates.

    It’s a rigged system designed to funnel votes to the Libs, Labor, and the Nats.

  72. Bruce of Newcastle

    Nota – The pay for the Army Reserve was not great. But better than nothing. Which, as a student, was the alternative. I know of no army in the Western world which was paid nothing at all for their service.

    It is ever so for students.

    Almost Half Of College Students Are Going Hungry: Survey (5 May)

  73. Shy Ted

    In the foreseeable future Jane Caro’ wishes will come true but not in the way she anticipated. She’ll be stuck in a superior nursing home requiring round the clock care which will be provided by the imports she so desperately wants and even though the policy says she must have personal care only provided by a female import, well, you just can’t get the staff and a tall, thin African lad, rehabilitated and with a 5 day aged care course under his belt will be washing the parts other men have long ceased to be interested in. Her old ABC buddies have long ceased visiting because, well, she never shuts up and they aren’t getting paid to talk to her anymore.
    Likewise her family would love to have her at home but, well, she can be incontinent and she never shuts up and if it wasn’t for the pressure of work they would definitely visit more often. And as they watch their inheritance disappear into the aged care sector after she’s been treated for another bout of pneumonia which without the miracles of modern medicine would have ended her days, they’ll have a family meeting and agree that perhaps a slightly cheaper aged care facility is quite sufficient even if they only have reruns of The Drum on the TV during the day.
    The care staff at the new facility have slightly stronger accents and a poorer grasp of the English language but, well, Jane is only slightly more gaga than she was in 2019 and probably won’t notice and now that Middle Eastern men are rostered to her wing in the name of equality and do an excellent job of keeping her clean, even volunteering for the bed baths and diaper changing. And the family sign the “Not For Resuscitation” forms because Mum wouldn’t have wanted to live like this and they take her out more frequently, usually on cold days and open up her coat so she can get some air.
    And the rerun of The Drum has Jane Caro as a guest and there she is advocating for the voteherds and the ALP and the Greens and their policies and it’s nice because she’s finally got what she said she wanted. And in a nearby wing is Ellen Fanning also living the dream.
    Complete with paragraphs as requested.

  74. “calli
    #3005827, posted on May 6, 2019 at 1:50 pm
    Oh noes! Have I waltzed into another SE Asian reminisce?

    Any washboards on the mighty Mekong?”

    I reckon there’s definitely some fossilised potato peelings along the banks of the mighty Mekong.

  75. notafan

    Thankyou Bruce

    I wasn’t referring to reserve service though

    just the idea that paid employment in your chosen profession is selfless ‘service’

  76. Knuckle Dragger

    Although said to be retired, Four Leaf Tayback would still appear to be servicing himself, Nota.

  77. Knuckle Dragger

    Catching your own tadpoles, as I was reminded yesterday, is apparently still a thing.

  78. Old School Conservative

    A top NSW cop was proudly explaining today that the new “blow it and lose it” policy for low range drink driving would significantly reduce police admin time.

    Bureaucracy wins again!

  79. Knuckle Dragger

    OSC,

    I am reliably told that because of the excessively regulatory, black-and-white nature of drink driving legislation, briefs of evidence for those matters take about 15 minutes.

    A detective can, given a significant complex investigation, take well over a year to finalise lines of enquiry to have a proper villain in the bin where he belongs.

    In any event, there will be more admin for the cops in this instance because they have to submit additional forms and other documents relating to licence loss, instead of scribbling on a ticket and then waiting for the next unfortunate Mr Citizen on his way home from work.

  80. mh

    Keating apparently said yesterday that the heads of the Australian security and intelligence services were ‘nutters’ and that Labor should work very closely with the Chinese.

    Bill Shorten will need no convincing. He’ll be up ChiCom clacker faster than Mark Zuckerberg.

  81. notafan

    Another thing about the Tanya story.

    Her dad built his first house on weekends home from the Snowy Mountain scheme, when Tanya was born they moved to a bigger place in the same suburb. Dad was a plumber, mum a full time homemaker

    I can’t see that being a washing machine free home in the 1970s.

  82. John Comnenus

    Shorten will be sucking up to anyone who gives him money. No doubt China would be happy to lavish some rewards on him for shifting policy re the USA and China.

  83. Gilas

    Too good to leave on the OOT (why didn’t anyone tell??)

    Another example of what “progressive” means under socialism
    Worth reading in full

    Practising medicine amid chaos in Venezuela
    BMJ 2019; 365 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.l2040 (Published 03 May 2019) Cite this as: BMJ 2019;365:l2040
    1. Mariana Zuñiga, journalist

    When the Venezuelan infectious disease specialist Oscar Noya started his career almost four decades ago, he treated about 20 patients with malaria a year. Last year the number was 3500. He expects the number to be higher this year. In the past five years economic policy has left his formerly upper middle income country beset by poverty, violence, corruption, hyperinflation, and chronic scarcity of basic goods, leading to a humanitarian disaster.
    “Before, it was one patient a month, or two at most,” Noya told The BMJ during a break. “Now it can be 50 a day.” Noya usually sees 15 to 30 patients or more a day in his small office in the Tropical Medicine Institute of Venezuela’s Central University in Caracas, most of them with malaria. A large painting of his mentor, former Venezuelan health minister Arnoldo Gabaldón, sees all.
    Before the crisis
    Noya arrived in Central University’s hospital, the largest public hospital in the city and known as El Clínico, in 1972. Working at the best hospital in the country was a source of pride that in recent years has faded away. “It’s shameful and sad,” he says.
    The building, mostly constructed in the 1940s, is decaying. The facilities are dirty, and taps have run dry. The hospital has spent months without regular water or even power. El Clínico relies on cisterns and generators to continue its operations. But this isn’t unique. According to Tierra Viva Foundation, a non-governmental organisation that specialises in sustainable development, 79% of public hospitals in Venezuela don’t have a regular water supply.
    “This is one of the most dangerous deficiencies,” says Noya. “The risk of infection when there’s no permanent running water is huge.”
    El Clínico was a long time leader in Latin American healthcare, but today it can barely manage the basics. It has only two functioning operating rooms. Most of the lifts are damaged, and many wards are abandoned.
    Once, life was good

    With Gabaldón’s help, Venezuela was one of the first countries in the world to eradicate malaria in heavily populated areas, even before some richer countries. For the country, getting rid of malaria by 1961 symbolised success and development. The Venezuelan health system was a role model across South America.
    In the early 1940s malaria killed 300 of every 100 000 inhabitants each year in Venezuela. By 1949 there were just nine malaria deaths a year, Noya told The BMJ. Gabaldón gets the credit for an all-out effort that included distributing insecticides to every home.
    Venezuela is now in the midst of financial collapse, a product of a five year depression caused, in part, by failed socialist policies, government mismanagement, and corruption. In 2010, malaria was a problem in three of Venezuela’s 23 states. Last year 13 states had epidemic levels, and there were more than two million cases across the country, says Noya. Diphtheria and tuberculosis are also spreading.
    In the midst of the western hemisphere’s worst economic crisis in recent history, the health system that used to provide Noya’s patients with affordable care and access to drugs has crumbled. Around 22 000 physicians left between 2012 and 2017, leaving many hospitals with vacancies that were never filled. There are not enough medicines, and those that can be found are unaffordable.
    “Malaria is just one indicator,” Noya laments. “We have epidemics of a large number of diseases, which means the entire health system has collapsed.”
    Noya’s working day lasts from 7 am to 5 pm. He doesn’t accept money from his patients, who have little or none. He himself is living off savings. His own hospital salary of $20 (£15; €18) a month—when he gets it—couldn’t support him.

    Drought of drugs
    The cost of a full round of treatment, when available, is just a couple of US dollars. Most of the drugs Noya prescribes today are provided by international organisations, not the state. “We had to resort to donations to continue working,” Noya explains. Even so, they’re running out of the chloroquine they prescribe to pregnant women with malaria.
    Drug shortages began in 2014. Last year his institute spent five months without any drugs at all. On days when Noya has no antimalarials for his patients he can only tell them to go home and rest. “This is what angers me most,” he says.
    The Federation of Venezuelan Pharmacies, a trade group, estimates that only 15-20% of the necessary drugs are available in the country. Daily medicines to treat diabetes or hypertension are almost impossible to find. Antibiotics are practically non-existent. And the drugs that are available are prohibitively costly. Some treatments can surpass the monthly minimum wage of 18 000 bolivars, the equivalent of $4.50.
    For more than three years President Nicolás Maduro has denied the existence of a humanitarian crisis and blocked foreign aid. In early April the Red Cross was able to deliver its first shipment of humanitarian medical aid: power generators, 5000 L of distilled water, and three surgery equipment kits.
    Noya’s ability to do research has changed dramatically. His laboratory lacks supplies ranging from diagnostic tests to ordinary paper. The rooms are full of empty chairs, as colleagues and students have joined three million other Venezuelan emigrants fleeing hunger, disease, and crime. The laboratory is a graveyard of damaged equipment: the people who could repair them have left. The postgraduate programme Noya led has closed for lack of funding.
    More than half of the university’s staff have gone.
    Noya’s hospital is typical. Syringes, needles, gloves, and sewing thread are not available across the country. The National Hospital Survey found that all public hospitals experience shortages. Half have damaged x-ray equipment. In 95% the tomographs don’t work. And operating rooms are closed in 53% of hospitals.
    Patients at risk
    It’s not just the physical environment that’s changed. Noya’s patients have problems he used to see only rarely. On “Maduro’s diet” many weigh half what they once did. The Maduro diet is how many Venezuelans refer to the food shortages and nutritional deficiencies they now experience. With a tiny wage, he can barely afford food, Noya says.
    Noya openly opposes Maduro’s politics, despite having supported Hugo Chávez, his late predecessor, during his first campaign. The disenchantment came quickly in Chávez’s first term.
    “Before, being a doctor meant prestige,” he explained. “But Chávez managed to get doctors to be seen as a social class enemy, seeking to exploit patients.”
    Several outspoken doctors have been threatened and fired for raising alarms about the failing healthcare system. Noya’s laboratory has been looted 74 times in less than two years. Thieves have taken routers, computers, and hard drives containing important data.
    “We live in constant intimidation for [publicising the malaria] figures and the lack of medicines,” he says. He believes pro-government groups are behind the attacks.
    For Noya, the son of Spanish immigrants, it’s unacceptable to turn his back on the country that opened its doors to his family. “I’m still here, because I love this country. We’ll get out of this nightmare,” he says. “It will eventually happen.”

    Sow and thou shall reap…

  84. Pedro the Ignorant

    Going through Uni I had several jobs to keep me in baked beans, bread rolls, durries, discount beer and enough petrol to keep the old BSA motorbike running.

    Polishing the corridors in a hospital,
    Assembling washing machine motors,
    Fitting tyres,
    Roof and gutter cleaning,
    and my favourite and best paid; dish pig at a flash restaurant.

    Being a dish pig paid more than my first job after graduation as a surveyor’s assistant.

    Should have stuck with it and become Cutlery and Plateware Cleanliness Supervisor on $150K p.a. (as Union delegate, naturally).

  85. Knuckle Dragger

    Bit of reading time now in my little capitalist paradise, and who knows – maybe a nap.

    Not because of communism.

    In spite of it.

  86. notafan

    “The defence of the socialist motherland is the greatest honour and the supreme duty of every Cubano. The law regulates the military service required by every Cubano. Treason of the motherland is the most serious crime; he who commits said crime is subject to the most severe sanctions.”

    meanwhile in Cuba

  87. Frank Walker:

    There is no benefit to society in doing this, other than the government collecting more revenue…

    In reference to the DD punishments in NSW:
    Despite what we all think, politicians are quite capable of realising what they are doing in relation to punitive reactions like this.
    I advanced the theory that our masters were able to read and understand the Laffer Curve.
    I believe Parliament knows it could collect more revenue, generate more economic activity, reduce unemployment, and generally ‘grow the pie’ by reducing taxation levels.
    So why don’t they?
    The answer is ‘punishment’.
    Any one want to debate this?

  88. min

    Maconomics
    10 big macs a day Will cost $21,170 pa That is not much to give up
    Think of the benefits
    What does that work out for the total Bill.?

  89. Mindfree

    The NSW law to suspend driving for 3 months for blowing .05 or over is already here in Victoriastan

    I know this personally as it happened to my son who lost his license for 6 months for blowing .05 including a fine of over $300 and that was in Dec 2017. Had to sell the car to pay the fine

    Needs to install a breath detector in his next car for a period of 6 months as well. Hard lesson to learn but I’ve tried to warn him about the Stasi cops down here including those looking out for train fares not paid (a 3.60 Myki miss costs $240 if caught)

  90. calli

    and my favourite and best paid; dish pig at a flash restaurant.

    Ahahah! So did The Beloved.

    His description of the squalor of the coldroom would make your hair stand on end.

    No wonder the place was candle-lit.

  91. calli

    I did checkout chicking.

    Back in the days when it all had to be rung up and change (horrors!) calculated sans calculator. Till always balanced, natch.

  92. Boambee John

    Frank Walker from National Tiles
    #3005699, posted on May 6, 2019 at 11:55 am
    This from the man who dodged service in WW1, even though he was a an officer in the Melbourne University Rifles (a part-time militia unit) from 1915 to 1919.

    This is literal nonsense. The government could have deployed his regiment whenever it liked.

    The MUR was a conscript based militia regiment. Under the Defence Act at the time, it could not be deployed outside Australian territory. The two conscription referenda failed.

  93. Robber Baron

    So is driving in thongs

    Has anyone else noticed that most middle easterners and sub continentals wear thongs and flip flops? I see them all the time getting in and out of cars, and rarely do they wear shoes or sandals or sneekers. Surely the cops would just randomly pull them over, but….NO. They much rather chase whitey for not stopping at a stop sign.

    VikPol is a joke and everyone knows that.

  94. They were not actual referenda, John.

    They could have been ignored.

  95. Pedro the Ignorant

    A bonus to being a pore and starvin’ student working as a dish pig was taking home all the leftover food.

    A very weird sharehouse with me dining on purloined Chateubriand and brandied pears while the peasants ate spag bol from the communal bucket.

  96. Mother Lode

    The Daily Telegraph has claimed a Federal Court judge was biased, and that his awarding of $850,000 in damages to Geoffrey Rush was “excessive”,

    Actually, considering the sums that Rush earns in Hollywood $850k is a pittance.

    It is the Telegraphs fault for stooping to the level of credulity in the pursuit of the lurid that typifies Fauxfacts newspapers.

    I think the Judge should have fined Neinfax at least the same amount for setting such a sordid precedent in gutterpress-dom.

  97. bespoke

    Don’t tell me driving in thongs is illegal if so I’m doomed.

  98. notafan

    Has anyone else noticed that most middle easterners and sub continentals wear thongs and flip flops? I see them all the time getting in and out of cars, and rarely do they wear shoes or sandals or sneeke

    Mosque suitable footwear and climate related habits.

    It’s not illegal to drive in thongs is it?

  99. Cohenite:

    I just love the first nations presumption of the right to welcome anyone to country when at best they were the third group to arrive here and eat the poor buggars who preceded them.

    Remember the novel that went to the top twenty Aboriginal Best Sellers in 1165?
    It was later disqualified because…

  100. calli

    No it is not.

    Mankinis are fine too.

  101. calli

    Sun heated black vinyl seats might prove a bit ouchy. Ditto motorbikes.

  102. Mother Lode

    2009: Global warming could make 2016 Games ‘the last Olympics in the history of mankind’, says Tokyo governor

    Ishihara was always a bonehead.

    When the Great Kanto Earthquake occurred in 1923 a rumour went around that ethnic Koreans were poisoning the water supply so gangs of vigilantes rounded up Koreans and lynched them.

    I remember this Ishihara thing, on one of the annual Earthquake exercises they hold in Tokyo, announcing that in the even of another earthquake that the police and other emergency services should be ready to do this again.

  103. Old School Conservative

    Last night, Firefox users noticed an issue with their browsers: they couldn’t install extensions, and their existing add-ons stopped working. Mozilla says that the issue is due to a certificate expiration, and that it’s working to fix the issue.

    From Instapundit. May help those questioning Firefox recently, but it’s all Greek to me.

  104. notafan

    I planned for that Calli

    I did say ‘thongs’, not ‘a thong’ but.

  105. thefrollickingmole

    NSW is apparently introducing legislation that will result in drivers blowing 0.05 to .009 (low range drink driving) losing their licence for three months, along with the requisite fine and demerit points.

    And in 2 years time they will be scratching their heads at the number of car chases they are involved in with otherwise law abiding citizens…

    On crime, chatting with my copper mate here in WA and the ALP state government has a stunning new idea to reduce the number of Aboriginal juviniles incarcerated.

    Cops cant lock them up.
    Quite simply they are guaranteed release the same day they are picked up for a crime.
    Orders come from the top of the police force

    Its having an effect on crime statistics already.
    People arent bothering to report a lot of it, and cops are picking up the same kids multiple times a week.

  106. JC

    Cronkite

    Again, your stupid link doesn’t work.

    Learn to code.

  107. Robber Baron

    It’s not illegal to drive in thongs is it?

    Illegal footwear.

  108. The Barking Toad

    Top 120 – woohoo

  109. Leigh Lowe

    bespoke
    #3005908, posted on May 6, 2019 at 3:47 pm
    Don’t tell me driving in thongs is illegal if so I’m doomed.

    No probs if they have steel toecaps.

  110. OSC:

    A top NSW cop was proudly explaining today that the new “blow it and lose it” policy for low range drink driving would significantly reduce police admin time.

    Bureaucracy wins again!

    I wonder how many thousands of OAP live quietly at home, drinking by themselves, because they can’t get to the pub without risking a fortnight pay for having a third drink?
    No, better to sit at home in front of the idiot box and watch Family Feud, and drift off to sleep after a few tinnies, or sherries.
    Because they don’t matter.

  111. The Barking Toad

    It’s not illegal to drive in thongs is it?

    As long as you’re wearing sensible shoes

  112. A top NSW cop was proudly explaining today that the new “blow it and lose it” policy for low range drink driving would significantly reduce police admin time.

    Since when do we give a fuck about their admin time?!

    Imbeciles.

  113. Pedro:

    Being a dish pig paid more than my first job after graduation as a surveyor’s assistant.

    You were a chainman?
    I did it for a couple of years in Brisbane – worked on the airport when it was a mangrove swamp. Some of the mossies – Scots Greys IIRC – were as big as bloody 747s.
    Good times.

  114. Mother Lode

    It’s not illegal to drive in thongs is it?

    Illegal footwear.

    Oh, footwear.

    For a moment there I thought another of life’s little joys had been banned.

  115. Mother Lode

    Bugger.

    Bark beat me.

    I suppose I will stick to driving.

  116. Knuckle Dragger

    Geez. Talk about starting a panic.

    It’s not illegal to drive in thongs. Never has been. I do it all the time, although don’t take that as proof positive that there aren’t laws against it.

    They’re a risk relative to enclosed footwear, because they can slip against the wrong pedal, or even worse come off and get jammed under a pedal. Even more so if they’re wet.

    My point is the driving in wet thongs can be riskier than driving at 0.06 in certain circumstances. Neither course of action should result in Mr, Miss or Mrs Punter losing their licence.

  117. “Mother Lode
    #3005907, posted on May 6, 2019 at 3:46 pm
    The Daily Telegraph has claimed a Federal Court judge was biased, and that his awarding of $850,000 in damages to Geoffrey Rush was “excessive”,

    Actually, considering the sums that Rush earns in Hollywood $850k is a pittance.

    It is the Telegraphs fault for stooping to the level of credulity in the pursuit of the lurid that typifies Fauxfacts newspapers.

    I think the Judge should have fined Neinfax at least the same amount for setting such a sordid precedent in gutterpress-dom.”

    Agreed….the Telegraph should have steered well clear of that grubby story…but instead they decided to follow the #Metoo bullshit. You reap what you sow.

    Rush has had his reputation trashed..he won’t work much anymore.

  118. BrettW

    Numbers,
    I refer to your reply in old thread earlier today.

    The simple fact is you are portraying yourself as a regular / volunteer every time you wear your medals without the National Service Medal. In my view that makes you a hypocrite / imposter as you constantly bleat about being forced to join.

    Whilst you conflate the institution of the National Service Medal with the Iraq war, ANZAC myth and Howard etc you conveniently overlook the fact that the Nasho Association had previously created their own medal and campaigned to get the formal one. Absolutely nothing to do with Howard or Iraq but a form of recognition for those who were called up during National Service years.

  119. cohenite

    Winston Smith

    #3005910, posted on May 6, 2019 at 3:50 pm

    Cohenite:

    I just love the first nations presumption of the right to welcome anyone to country when at best they were the third group to arrive here and eat the poor buggars who preceded them.

    Remember the novel that went to the top twenty Aboriginal Best Sellers in 1165?
    It was later disqualified because…

    Lol; the Simpsons did it well too:

  120. KD:
    The sooner we wake up to the fact that Parliament and the Parties hate us and want to squash us down to get the last drop of money they want, the better.
    The system that enables the parasites who run this once Great Nation needs to be changed.

  121. Knuckle Dragger

    Frog in the pot of cold water, Winston.

  122. stackja

    Binary Australia “Drag Queen Story Time” Ad Banned By OMA

    A billboard which urged voters to put Labor last has been banned by the Outdoor Media Association (OMA) for breaching its code of ethics.

    The ad, proposed by advocacy group Binary Australia, features a superimposed photo of Bill Shorten next to an image of a drag queen reading stories to children.

    The campaign was created to challenge Shorten on whether he supports “drag queen story time”, which is a program to introduce children to the idea of gender fluidity.

    The billboard also features a quote from opposition equality spokesman Louise Pratt saying: “Drag queen story time is a wonderful idea.”

    Binary told The Australian OMA said the ad could not “portray people or depict material in a way which discriminates against or vilifies a person or section of the community on account of race, ethnicity, nationality, gender, age, sexual preference, religion, disability, mental illness or political belief.”

  123. Memoryvault

    Some of the mossies – Scots Greys IIRC – were as big as bloody 747s

    Sorry Winston, but they would have just been midges.
    The mossies are quite large.

  124. Bruce of Newcastle

    Good news!

    Brunei Backs Off Buggery Ban, Won’t Murder Homosexuals After All

    Now Alan Joyce and the Rugby Australia people can visit Brunei without fear!

  125. I had to laugh. Kerryn Phelps is wailing that there are racist emails circulating that suggest that she’s Jewish or eligible for Israeli citizenship, which makes her ineligible to stand for parliament. Firstly, since when is it racist to call someone a Jew or eligible for Israeli citizenship? Secondly, and more importantly, you can’t be racist towards white people; that’s what we’re always told. Or is Phelps claiming to be a person of colour, Australia’s Fauxahontas?

  126. John Constantine

    The Tyrant of all the chicoms pays keating a salary.

    Because no Chinese can supply the services to the chicoms keating can.

    Comrade Maaaaates.

  127. JC

    Yep, it’s immigrants taking away jobs. Theoretically the robots are immigrants, technically speaking.

    Australian homes could be constructed by robots, after Australia’s largest brickmaker, Brickworks, signed a deal with robotics group FBR.

    Under the tie-up between the two companies – dubbed Fastbrick Australia – Brickworks would have the exclusive rights to supply masonry blocks to FBR’s Hadrian X machine, which is mounted on a truck and uses lasers to feed materials into the correct position during housing construction.

    A three bedroom, two-bathroom home was built in under three days using the Hadrian X, FBR said in December, with the robot capable of laying one block every 20 to 30 seconds.
    Read Next

    Fastbrick Australia will look to provide the service for Australian residential homes via commercial building contracts, marking the first revenues from commercialising FBR’s technology.

    The deal between the duo lasts for three years and replaces an existing memorandum of understanding signed in February.

    Brickworks shares were trading 2 per cent lower at $16.20 with FBR surging 19 per cent to 8.7c.

    Brickies need to learn to code.

  128. Overburdened

    https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/australian-dj-adam-sky-found-dead-after-smashing-through-glass-door-in-bali/news-story/c436ad5181532da9fa6d98547171523f

    To recap

    Crashed naked through a glass door leading to cuts causing death due to blood loss to assist a chick who fell from a balcony breaking bones.

    All one needs to know.

  129. Shatterzzz

    Only if you were clairvoyant.
    Very few 19 year olds are.
    ZK2A remains far too thick to understand this.

    I was offered a 2 years deferment ( born O/S and still a 10 pound tourist) but as no-one told me “uncle” Gough would do away with NS within 18 months I opted in .. paid more than my “civvie” job .. great incentive!

  130. Overburdened

    https://youtu.be/cyrGVqpT_UQ

    DeepSpace 69 has its own take on sexual safety.

  131. Tailgunner

    Abhorrent people.

    The boys are mostly Deplorables. The patched up guys in clean jeans, tight shirts, lifting build, OMCG swag…. They are the soldiers. Serious dudes. Generally. Thugs.
    Then you get to the rear echelon…
    Then you get to Howes/Shorten/Photios littlefingers, et al.
    The commies know how to organise.
    We imitate or overtake.

  132. Tailgunner

    Crashed naked through a glass door leading to cuts causing death due to blood loss to assist a chick who fell from a balcony breaking bones.

    Lol, any amateur chemists around?

  133. Bruce of Newcastle

    Brickies need to learn to code.

    So do traders.

    How to train your machine: JPMorgan FX algos learn to trade better (30 Apr)

    LONDON (Reuters) – JPMorgan Chase, a top player in the $5.1 trillion-a-day global currency market has started applying a new technology that enables machine-trading programmes to learn from previous trades and search for the most profitable way to execute them.

    Algorithmic trading is a growing trend in currency markets where banks have cut back on trading teams, relying more on automated computing strategies to trade efficiently.

    Algos, as these programmes are known, are used by market makers to search at lightening speed for platforms with deeper liquidity pools or break up large orders into tiny bits tor reduce market impact.

    But large banks have been investing millions of dollars into technology to grab a greater share of the algo trading market.

    JPMorgan told Reuters its new algorithm — named DNA or Deep Neural Network for Algo Execution — effectively combined what a multitude of algos currently do, into a single strategy and allowed the framework to judge how a client order should be executed.

    The issue of corrosion and the occasional explosion should keep chemists in work for a while yet.

  134. Tailgunner

    Phone 1pc, Arma, get in here!

  135. Tailgunner

    Chaos is a ladder

  136. John Constantine

    The former Prime Minister grabbed attention at the weekend when he said Australia’s security agencies were full of “nutters” who’d become too paranoid about China.

    He says the agencies need a “clean out”.

    “I don’t doubt Paul Keating believes it, I don’t doubt he’s passionate, but there’s a conflict here you’ve got to understand,” Neil Mitchell explained on Monday morning.

    “The current website of the China Development Bank lists Paul Keating as a member of their international advisory board.

    “The China Development Bank – a state-owned bank, so you’ve got a bank owned by a communist regime – he’s on the international advisory board and is saying this.

    “I don’t doubt he believes it.

    “But when you hear him trashing our security agents and talking up China, be aware of that.”

    Cash for comment doesn’t mean anything when a labor untouchable calls for loyal australians to be purged in the interests of foreign paymasters.

    Wait for their shorten crony cartel to purge in their first hundred days of vengeance all those that fail to respect the Big Donors.

    Comrades.

    [ the turnbullites will never pick keating up on this treachery.]

  137. A three bedroom, two-bathroom home was built in under three days using the Hadrian X

    So you might get 72 hours of brickwork.

    That might be the work of one person over a couple of weeks.

    You still need foundations, framing (unless double brick cavity), upper floor framing and roof framing, electrical, plumbing, roofing, plasterers…

    I’m not saying it isn’t great tech, just building a house in that time is a little of oversell.

    You may not be able to operate it 24/7 unless you’re in a new estate either.

  138. Welp.

    I can throw out the remnants of my admiration for Paul!

  139. John Constantine

    Wonder if keating has mentioned to China’s President for life Xi about having a piggery for sale for a few million dollars?.

    Comrade Maaaaates.

  140. The piggery stuff about Keating was just dumb. An inquiry started by Howard cleared him. Anyway I thought he sold it years ago to an investor from Taiwan.

  141. Tails

    Tziporah is looking good now.

    Rating out of 10 and recommended action please.

  142. Geriatric Mayfly

    JPMorgan Chase, a top player in the $5.1 trillion-a-day global currency market has started applying a new technology

    Trading ears were pricked when some boffin declaimed that things could go faster than the speed of light.
    The NY – Chicago route for trading traffic was used as an example, from Pony Express, Pigeons to the latest in electronic split second trading in an interesting graphic I saw. Still not fast enough to gain the edge. One of the big banks claimed to have taken the technology to its ultimate limit (top secret), which if it garners a zillion fractions of a cent a day, I guess it is worth the effort.

  143. Bruce of Newcastle

    Wonder if keating has mentioned to China’s President for life Xi about having a piggery for sale for a few million dollars?

    What is Mandarin for “how much do you want, gaijin-barbarian?”

    Global Meat Companies Feast on China’s Pig Problems (3 May, WSJ, paywalled)

    Huge declines in Chinese pork production will boost demand for other proteins from other places

    I wonder if the Chinese wukkas brought the problem home with them from their colonial belt-and-roading?

    African Swine Fever in China Keeps Getting Worse (2 May)

    Now in every single province in China, ASF is wreaking havoc on the world’s largest hog herd. Earlier in 2019, the number of officially reported outbreaks began to slow to a trickle, while unofficial and media reports picked up steam. There is no vaccine for ASF, which kills almost all pigs that become infected with it. The strength and severity of the disease, when combined with China’s inability to stem its spread, has led to significant decreases in animal numbers within the country. China’s Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Affairs reported that the March herd had dropped by nearly 19% relative to a year ago.

    Not good. I hope our moat holds.

  144. Numbers,
    I refer to your reply in old thread earlier today.
    The simple fact is you are portraying yourself as a regular / volunteer every time you wear your medals without the National Service Medal. In my view that makes you a hypocrite / imposter as you constantly bleat about being forced to join.

    My reply sailed right over your head.
    When I can, I march with men I served with, even driving to Sydney on occasion to join members of my rifle section who are domiciled in Sydney.
    They are Nashos who know me and served with me, so there is no risk of them believing I’m masquerading as a reg. They also know why I don’t wear the NS medal. I really couldn’t give a stuff what anyone else thinks.
    As far as “hypocrisy” goes, you have no real apprehension of why many of us march. It has nothing to do with being “respected” or “thanked”. That’s an American concept, totally foreign to Australians. We march out of respect for those who never returned, or did, but no longer can. Age does weary them. Numbers were very thin this year, and many were aboard Jeeps etc.

    Whilst you conflate the institution of the National Service Medal with the Iraq war, ANZAC myth and Howard etc you conveniently overlook the fact that the Nasho Association had previously created their own medal and campaigned to get the formal one. Absolutely nothing to do with Howard or Iraq but a form of recognition for those who were called up during National Service years.

    The ANZAC myth is totally pervasive. It is misapplied to the war in Vietnam. That was why the Commemoration Committee insisted for over a decade that “every National Serviceman who served in Vietnam was a volunteer”.

    They’ve removed the myth from their website, but many other re-writings of the history remain. Read Dapin’s research. He covers the topic with forensic thoroughness, and isn’t afraid to show up some of the “established” historians (Ham, Edwards and Horner), to name a few.

  145. Old School Conservative

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #3005961, posted on May 6, 2019 at 5:11 pm
    Algorithmic trading is a growing trend in currency markets where banks have cut back on trading teams, relying more on automated computing strategies to trade efficiently.

    Old news. (insert smiley face)
    For at least three years I have been bombarded with ads saying how secret trading algorithms will give me multi-million trading success in stock markets, forex, binary options and bitcoin.

    All I need to do in pony up $250 to get started on the road to Rolls Royces and harbourside mansions.

    I’ll let you know how it goes.

  146. bespoke

    Shy Ted
    #3005967, posted on May 6, 2019 at 5:21 pm
    It’s meant to be the happiest day of your life.

    Is that KD?

  147. Rockdoctor

    From the old thread was in the air & didn’t realise new thread… Urgh Brisbane Airport. Can this place anymore traveller unfriendly, nowhere will change $50 unless you buy something. Guess what sort of atm I can’t find atm…

    Entropy

    #3005632, posted on May 6, 2019 at 10:22 am

    Hear hear. In 2 day the tanks will roll down Red Square, like they did when I was a child with the hammer & sickle prominant. My father used to iron greens almost daily as one of the vanguard against when he wore a uniform. Got me how society accept a holiday that shares significance with an evil & oppressive ideaeology. I can buy grog today but not food, what gives? We don’t even pay this homage to ANZAC Day with not opening anything…

  148. Boambee John

    Frank Walker from National Tiles
    #3005904, posted on May 6, 2019 at 3:43 pm
    They were not actual referenda, John.

    They could have been ignored.

    Given the intensity of both referendum campaigns, that would have been, in the words of Sir Humphrey, a “courageous decision, Prime Minister”.

  149. Tel

    Brickies need to learn to code.

    I have read the writing in the wall.

  150. Bruce of Newcastle

    Old news. (insert smiley face)

    OSC – I’ve been needling JC about algos for years. He has one that pays his rent for him.

    The speed of light is so annoyingly slow that certain bits of America are selling at huge premiums because people can build microwave towers on them.

    Meanwhile In HFT Land: One Microwave Tower Is About To Be Blocked By Another Microwave Tower (9 Mar)

    Chicago’s High Frequency Trading War Rages As Yet Another Microwave Tower Pops Up (30 Apr)

    Physics is a bummer.

  151. In its statement on Sunday, Boeing said that because in-house experts decided that the non-working light did not affect safety, the company decided to fix the problem by disconnecting the alert from the optional indicators at the next planned update of cockpit display software.
    Boeing did not tell airlines or the FAA about this decision.

    What was that meme about third world pilots lacking the smarts to fly the 737 Max safely?

    Meanwhile, the US Justice Department was conducting a criminal investigation into whether Boeing misled regulators about features on the plane including flight-control software at the heart of the crash investigations.

    “Misled” or “lied?”

    Jail time would be appropriate.

  152. Mark A

    Tel
    #3005987, posted on May 6, 2019 at 5:47 pm

    Brickies need to learn to code.

    I have read the writing in the wall.

    Ted I have seen that system in work a few years back, there is a ytube of it somewhere.

    It’s no danger for brickies’ job at all, it requires, as you would imagine, special situations and designs.

  153. feelthebern

    Urgh Brisbane Airport. Can this place anymore traveller unfriendly, nowhere will change $50 unless you buy something. Guess what sort of atm I can’t find atm…

    Get your nails done.
    Surely they’ll be change from a fiddy after that.
    Unless it’s one of those Brisbane Nails & Tug joints.

  154. feelthebern

    Jail time would be appropriate.

    So sayeth the plenary council member.

  155. calli

    Zipporah looks gorgeous. What a transformation.

    She’d turn the head of any bloke, even if she was up to her elbows in thirsty goats.

  156. Tel

    Mark A #3005990, I was trying to be subtle. If a brickie wanted to leave a encoded message, where would he likely put that? In a wall, get it?? The writing in the wall is what you get when brickies start coding.

    *sigh*

  157. Gab

    May 6th is the feast of Blessed Kazimierz Gostyński: Polish Catholic priest, professor of Latin, educational reformer, papal chamberlain, and martyr of the German occupation—murdered at Dachau on this day in 1942.

  158. Knuckle Dragger

    bespoke,

    Although that is not in fact me, that’s a damn fine rack on the bloke.

    Bill would be green with envy.

  159. thefrollickingmole

    I see the resident Onanist is stroking his pet subject again.

    Its not healthy.
    He could get jungle fever.

    criminal investigation

    I feel a Muller coming on….

  160. Mark A

    Tel
    #3005994, posted on May 6, 2019 at 5:56 pm

    Sorry Ted, I never even try cryptic crosswords, I’m hopeless.
    Too much training in the practical takes it out of you.

  161. Knuckle Dragger

    Tziporah.

    No.

    The first pic is a giveaway. The forearm strategically placed over her guts, which by now would look like a giant donut dented with m&ms that had been scratched out and eaten by a mongoose.

    Watch for Big Fatty Boombah to appear three weeks after she next shacks up with a bloke. She’s a Raelene Castle in the making.

    Q. What do you give a rich woman who has everything?
    A. The arse.

  162. Oh come on

    Meanwhile, heated protests continued at the Venezuelan Embassy in Washington, DC. Images posted to social media appeared to show arrests of members of the activist group Code Pink, which last week tried to take control of the embassy in support of Maduro.

    Huh?? Those freaks sure are confused.

  163. Geriatric Mayfly

    The speed of light is so annoyingly slow that certain bits of America are selling at huge premiums because people can build microwave towers on them.

    Interesting stuff BoN. I see the competition is now down to nanoseconds or parts thereof. But there must be a limit on microwave speed as well. I note lasers were mentioned. As you say physics will win in the end.

  164. thefrollickingmole

    Brave arts world rolls over, pisses on itself in submission..

    Contrast and compare.

    https://www.saatchigallery.com/artists/artpages/andres_serrano_11.htm
    ANDRES SERRANO
    Piss Christ

    Vs

    Saatchi Gallery covers up artworks after MusLam visitors’ complaints
    Paintings by SKU deemed blasphemous for combining IslamAc text with nude images

    A leading contemporary art gallery covered up works featuring an Islamic declaration of faith after complaints from Muslim visitors who said the artworks were blasphemous.

    The Saatchi Gallery in west London hosted an exhibition of new material by the artist SKU featuring a variety of works. However, it decided to cover up two paintings that incorporated the text of the sh**ada, one of the five pillars of Is**m, in Arabic script juxtaposed with images of nude women in the style of the US flag.

    The gallery, founded by the advertising magnate Charles Saatchi, rejected calls from some visitors to remove the paintings, arguing it was up to visitors to come to their own conclusions on the meaning of the art. However, in response to the complaints, SKU suggested as a compromise the works should remain on the gallery wall but be covered up with sheets.

    “It seemed a respectful solution that enables a debate about freedom of expression versus the perceived right not to be offended,” he said in a statement to the Sunday Times.

    The Saatchi Gallery told the newspaper it “fully supported” freedom of artistic expression. “The gallery also recognises the sincerity of the complaints made against these works and supported the artist’s decision to cover them until the end of the exhibition,” it said.

    The pseudonymous London-based artist has no social media accounts or public presence and takes their name from the retail term for a “stock keeping unit”. The exhibition, Rainbow Scenes, was billed as exploring “how we, as individuals, are subjected to wider cultural, economic, moral and political forces in society”.

    Among other issues it dealt with were “the impact of these forces on us individually as we absorb such influences into our minds and our bodies”, the promotion of values in “symbols and propaganda” and an encouragement to the public “to reboot the world”. The exhibition ran from mid-April and finished on Friday.

  165. Oh come on

    What was that meme about third world pilots lacking the smarts to fly the 737 Max safely?
    (…)
    “Misled” or “lied?”

    Jail time would be appropriate.

    Don’t you worry about it, Numpty. You just keep on flying Aeroflot and you’ll be sweet. The Cold War is over! No safety concerns at all!

  166. thefrollickingmole

    No links because we live in an Orwellian nightmare!!! (eleventy)

    Brave arts world rolls over, pisses on itself in submission..

    Contrast and compare.

    https://www.saatchigallery.com/artists/artpages/andres_serrano_11.htm
    ANDRES SERRANO
    Piss Christ

    Vs

    Saatchi Gallery covers up artworks after MusLam visitors’ complaints
    Paintings by SKU deemed blasphemous for combining IslamAc text with nude images

  167. thefrollickingmole

    No links because we live in an Orwellian nightmare!!! (eleventy)

    Brave arts world rolls over, pisses on itself in submission..

    Contrast and compare.

    https://www.saatchigallery.com/artists/artpages/andres_serrano_11.htm
    ANDRES SERRANO
    Piss Christ

    Vs

    Saatchi Gallery covers up artworks after Mus**** visitors’ complaints
    Paintings by SKU deemed blasphemous for combining Isla*** text with nude images

  168. Knuckle Dragger

    I’m going to the pub. I just need to check if it’s ok with my…….

    Oh. No-one.

    Excellent. By my roster, Skylah’s behind the jump. Not for long though – early start on the hot dogs tomorrow.

    Will check in later to check if Four Leaf’s salty tears have accumulated enough to put in a spray bottle and condemn my neighbour’s plants to death.

  169. Pedro the Ignorant

    I did a bit over a year as a chainman (aka surveyor’s assistant or “lackey”) with an old school surveyor who didn’t believe in all this new fangled stuff like calculators.

    Did all his calculations either in his head or or in a grubby little notebook, and was remarkably accurate despite his lack of high tech (for the era) tools.

    Some 20+ years later I was in the same area in the Pilbara where I had surveyed as a yoof and double checked the maps and markers with a modern GPS receiver and found the old geezer was out by 2.4 metres. Not bad for a 200 sq km plot.

    He also taught me celestial navigation using a watch and sextant, but the maths involved always beat me until the sainted Texas Instruments built their scientific calculator. Very handy skill if the GPS carks it or the batteries go flat in the middle of nowhere.

  170. Bruce of Newcastle

    I lasted three whole words of Mark Riley’s report. They were “Overcrowded public hospitals…”.
    Off went the tv. The man should wear a Mao suit for his reports.

  171. Pedro the Ignorant

    Great minds think alike, KD.

    Pub time.

    Everyone hates Shorten and the ALP and the local hippies only drink frou-frou stuff like sherry or pink gin and get laughed at when they order, so they stay away except on weekends when the tourists buses arrive and they can hide among the pensioners.

    CYA after teatime.

    I like this town.

  172. John Comnenus

    Numbers,
    There are plenty of veterans and ex military people on this site. So you served in Vietnam 50 years ago. So what? Get over it. Move on. If you can’t get over something that happened 50 years ago then you have real problems. You remind me of my late father forever bitching about the injustices meted out to the family in Central Europe in 1926, or was it 42?

    Surely something positive happened in your life in the last 50 years. Did you get married? Have kids? Buy a house? Retire? Finish Uni? Surely something, anything, positive happened! Something, anything to be happy about.

  173. Confused Old Misfit

    Bill Shorten has dismissed concerns about his likability after dropping in popularity in the latest Newspoll, saying on Monday ‘I don’t accept that people don’t like me or our policies’.

    From Sky News.

  174. John Comnenus

    Pedro,
    Nothing wrong with pink gin. The Dobson’s Sweet Pea gin, from Kentucky, NSW, is a fantastic gin.

  175. Geriatric Mayfly

    Some 20+ years later I was in the same area in the Pilbara where I had surveyed as a yoof and double checked the maps and markers with a modern GPS receiver and found the old geezer was

    We had rolls and rolls of very detailed maps for each section of the Canning Stock Route. However, a fork in the sand posed a problem, and the cumbersome GPS at the time, was of no use. I was the only one who knew that one degree of Latitude is 111 kms (don’t ask me why) and passed this information over to the collective’s brains trust. The way forward was announced and the correct route chosen.

  176. calli

    Good grief, she’s 45. I think she looks lovely and I envy her nice long legs.

    She might even look twice at some of the fellas here. Maybe. 😀

  177. cohenite

    Surely something positive happened in your life in the last 50 years. Did you get married? Have kids? Buy a house? Retire? Finish Uni? Surely something, anything, positive happened! Something, anything to be happy about.

    Numbers is happy doing what he’s doing; he’s a leftie, that’s what they do. But now you’ve asked him there’ll be no stopping him.

  178. John Comnenus

    Pedro,
    I’m in Townsville. Had a pretty decent counter meal steak for dinner at the iconic, and always busy, Australian Hotel on Palmer St. not many hippies around. Lovely evening for a beer watching the sun set behind Castle Hill whilst looking across Ross Creek.

  179. Roger

    “The current website of the China Development Bank lists Paul Keating as a member of their international advisory board.”

    Keating’s pro-Asia, pro-China rhetoric has paid off handsomely for him then.

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/we-win-china-trade-war-the-communist-state-falls-apart/

    What a perfidious and venal lot the members of our modern political class are.

  180. John Comnenus

    Calli,

    You reckon she’s 45? I thought she looked 36……DD😜

  181. Pedro the Ignorant

    Was that Len Beadell, Mayfly?

    Legend of the Canning Stock Route. Navigated by stars and dead reckoning across some of the most inhospitable desert in Oz.

    He allegedly had 36 flat tyres in one day in his trusty short wheelbase Land Rover.

    I would have chucked a match in it and walked home.

  182. vlad

    Richard Nixon was asked in an American interview who was the most impressive person (I’m quoting from memory) he met in his career.

    He answered: Sir Robert Menzies.

    In some book or other he expanded on that saying he thought Menzies would have been (ie even) greater in a more important country, that he could have been a great English prime minister.

    Nuff said.

  183. Rockdoctor

    Thanks John for the good news not. Will be jetting into Melbourne at end of the week, now I know what to expect. Beautiful weekend in Townsville.

    Voted today, polling booth almost empty. Met the short lady with glasses on the PUP ads, very personable.

  184. Roger

    In some book or other he expanded on that saying he thought Menzies would have been (ie even) greater in a more important country, that he could have been a great English prime minister.

    Certainly likely to be better than the two most recent Scotsmen they’ve had – Blair & Brown.

  185. Peter

    I lasted three whole words of Mark Riley’s report. They were “Overcrowded public hospitals…”.

    Down here in the ACT we’ve had Labor forever. Since 1991, my rates have increased at an average 8.5% per annum, and yet our waiting lists in our hospitals are some of the worst in the country. Link

    And why is Federal Labor meddling in this State responsibiliy? To cover the failures of its state brothers?

  186. John Constantine

    “Once i am elected, nobody will say they don’t like me” says shorten.
    “They won’t even say they don’t like the Paramilitary Death Squads either”.

    Comrades.

  187. vlad

    The mug lair’s words of wisdom:

    “”You know, China, whatever you think, China is a great state.”

    What if what you think is it’s a totalitarian communist dictatorship?

    But I must remember that line of reasoning; could come in handy.

    “You know, X, whatever you think, X is Y.”

  188. John Comnenus

    Everyone will love dear Kommissar Shorten

  189. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Good grief, she’s 45. I think she looks lovely and I envy her nice long legs.

    She has good legs and is tall and striking looking. Good on her, I say. Well done, lady.
    With that sort of ‘before’ pic she’s probably had a tummy-tuck to cut away some flab, and maybe a little ‘work’ around her chin. Who knows? Whoever is funding her for the make-over wouldn’t worry about the odd $60K all that would cost. New Idea have got a big story from her which many women would pay to read, plus wot’s this about Queen Mary of Denmark, also on the cover?

    Has someone abdicated or died?

  190. John Comnenus

    I always thought Keating was a fuckwit. His comments re China confirm my view. What a grub.

  191. Eyrie

    “Good grief, she’s 45. I think she looks lovely and I envy her nice long legs.
    She might even look twice at some of the fellas here. Maybe. ”

    Good grief. Words fail.

  192. John Comnenus

    Peter,

    Sorry to hear you are a long suffering fellow Canberran. What part of town are you in?

  193. Oh come on

    Bill Shorten has dismissed concerns about his likability after dropping in popularity in the latest Newspoll, saying on Monday ‘I don’t accept that people don’t like me or our policies’.

    LOL talk about awkward! No one likes you, Bill. Just sayin’. If anyone other than you were ALP leader, the ALP would be absolutely crushing it.

  194. Bruce of Newcastle

    Lovely evening for a beer watching the sun set behind Castle Hill whilst looking across Ross Creek.

    I’m now pining for Townsville. Had a nice house at the base of Mt Louisa. I used to wave at the RAAF guys flying around the hill on approach, they would wave back. Rock wallabies in the garden and geckos running upsidedown on the ceiling. My cat got lost first day in the backyard, which was an entire mountain (well for a cat it would be).

  195. JC

    Vlad

    Nixon also drank white wine from New Jersey.

  196. John Comnenus

    Canberra would be a great place ….. without all the Lefties

  197. Geriatric Mayfly

    Was that Len Beadell, Mayfly?

    No. Just a group of us in our derring-do days Pedro. Four vehicles and an idiot owned fifth ring-in, which looked like a delivery van and which we had to tow 700km after its gearbox died. Unbeknown to us, cyclone Oliver had swept across the southern sections of the track, turning the carriageway into red porridge. Three bogged to the gunwhales and only one left to effect a rescue. All handled with aplomb and a very long snatch strap. The other hazard was spinnifex wrapping around the tail shaft and catching fire. One victim there, but quickly extinguished.

  198. John Comnenus

    Bruce

    Good times. Much bigger town now.

  199. Eyrie

    “plus wot’s this about Queen Mary of Denmark, also on the cover?”
    Good on maz. I’ve long thought we should give the Windsors the flick and install Fred and Maz as King and Queen of Australia. Who wouldn’t like a King who likes beer and sailboats and has a nice Aussie girl as Queen?

  200. John Comnenus

    If Nion really drank white wine from Jersey he deserved to be impeached.

  201. John64

    Was that Len Beadell, Mayfly?

    Len Beadell was a national treasure. A natural storyteller, his books and audio recordings are superb.

    I haven’t often laughed harder than when I listened to Len Beadell tell the story of how he was given the job of setting the detonator on the atomic bomb being tested at Woomera…….

  202. Oh come on

    Good grief, she’s 45. I think she looks lovely and I envy her nice long legs.

    Ummm yeah nah. Look, it’s commendable that they didn’t photoshop the crap out of her. Oh, they did photoshop the crap out of her? Yikes.

    Never thought she was much chop anyways – even in her heyday.

  203. John Constantine

    African pig ebola plague has been already found in pork products imported into Australia, obviously they didn’t pick it all up, but Australian piggery quarantine is pretty good in the pig factory sheds, less so in free range.

    Pet food and treats imported from China is a concern.

    Dried pig ear chews for dogs?.

    Comrades?.

  204. John64

    Canberra would be a great place ….. without all the Lefties

    It was 100 times better when it was a sheep run.

  205. Tailgunner

    Tziporah is looking good now

    God, I thought it was who I thought that was – pics or it didn’t happen!?

  206. egg_

    calli
    #3006016, posted on May 6, 2019 at 6:21 pm

    Queen Mary?
    Yum!

  207. Cassie of Sydney

    “Eyrie
    #3006044, posted on May 6, 2019 at 6:45 pm
    “plus wot’s this about Queen Mary of Denmark, also on the cover?”
    Good on maz. I’ve long thought we should give the Windsors the flick and install Fred and Maz as King and Queen of Australia. Who wouldn’t like a King who likes beer and sailboats and has a nice Aussie girl as Queen?”

    I’ll take Mary and Fred over Harry and Meghan any day….Mary is classy….she isn’t celebrity trash like Meghan.

  208. JC

    John Comnenus
    #3006045, posted on May 6, 2019 at 6:45 pm

    If Nion really drank white wine from Jersey he deserved to be impeached.

    That’s eggsactly what I thought when I saw it.
    Barack Obama is the only president who hasn’t made a visit

    Since 21 Club opened, every single president has dined there, save for Barack Obama, who has not yet made reservations. A few bottles of wine in the cellar still have Richard Nixon’s or Gerald Ford’s names on them, and Ronald Reagan once gave a beloved bathroom attendant a pair of cufflinks. Presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump have also dined there. The butter- and cream-laden menu probably doesn’t appeal to Mrs. Obama’s Let’s Move! campaign.

    I saw the stash.

  209. John Constantine

    Has keating told the chicoms there is a Recession they have to have?.

    Or was that only his recipe for Australia?.

    Their keating gave us the recession he gloated over, and now recomends shorten to double up the misery.

    Fuck keating.

  210. Oh come on

    Bill Shorten says he does not share Mr Keating’s views, but Anthony Albanese says they reflect broader concerns about attitudes towards China

    Albo, there are broader concerns about the attitudes of the ChiComs, you dunce.

  211. John Comnenus

    Thx John64.

    Canberra is pretty upbeat and modern these days. Very funky in parts. Tipsy Bull would be one of the best spirit bars in Australia with a very knowledgeable wait team who know their stuff – especially gin. And when things go downhill, late at night, you can’t go past 88mph for 80s nostalgia and crap cocktails on tap. Italian and sons is great food as is Monster Bar. Plenty to see and do in Canberra since the sheep run was nationalised and turned over to another flock of sheep, I mean public servants.

  212. Eyrie

    Keating – cheap spiv and guttersnipe.

  213. Tailgunner

    Tziporah is looking good now

    Should have gone to SpecSavers.
    A 4.5 from me.

  214. Never thought she was much chop anyways – even in her heyday.

    Bluddee hell. Leonardo posts on the Cat!

  215. DrBeauGan

    I’ve just bought a smartwatch. Fossil, latest version. Now I can pay by flicking my watch at the screen at the checkout.

    I also know the time.

    Trouble is it’s smarter than me.

  216. John Comnenus

    Keating was good for two things only: his greatest skill – working the NSW Right faction numbers and regurgitating the crap his senior public servants told him. If he didn’t have Hawke to direct him to success he waould have been about as successful in politics as he was as he manager of the ramrods.

  217. Done Deal

    Billshort, if his lips are moving…he’s spending your money

  218. John Constantine

    http://www.gwb.com.au/gwb/news/danpork/danpork.htm

    In retrospect, the deal looks fortuitous for Mr Keating, because he emerged from the business as an owner, at a profit while the original owners are facing a court action.

    The total amount was originally much higher, at more than Au$1.1 million for feed bills for the Scone, Warwick and Tamworth piggeries.

    However, a company named Elenium Pty Ltd, now controlled by the Soeryadjaya family of Indonesia, agreed to pay nearly Au$1 million relating to the Scone and Warwick piggeries.

    Millmaster Feeds, a division of the big public company George Weston Foods Ltd, supplied feed to the Scone and Tamworth piggeries.

    The ownership of the piggeries changed several times in the 1990s. Until 1991 they were jointly owned by Mr Brown and his partner, veteran Homebush meat merchant Mr Vince Hatton. The alleged debts are said to arise from an agreement between Millmaster and Brown and Hatton Rural Pty Ltd in April 1990.

    The statement of claim says Millmaster agreed to supply feed to Brown and Hatton Rural, then jointly owned by Mr Brown and Mr Hatton, on the understanding that only 30 days credit would be allowed.

    If the accounts became overdue, interest would be charged at the current bank rates until the account was brought within the 30 day limit again.

    Millmaster claims that in October 1990 Mr Brown and Mr Hatton gave personal guarantees for all the moneys payable to it by Brown and Hatton Rural, less Au$100,000.

    In May 1991, ownership of all the Brown and Hatton companies was transferred to Mr Keating and Mr Constantinidis, who became 50-50 partners in the piggery venture. Each owned half the shares in the parent company, Euphron Pty Ltd.

    Although ownership of the piggery companies (including Brown and Hatton Rural) changed hands in 1991, Millmaster claims the original guarantees from Mr Brown and Mr Hatton stayed in place. The summons alleges they both agreed to renew their guarantees in March 1993 and Mr Constantinidis became a guarantor as well.

    On March 7, 1994, Mr Keating sold his shares in Euphron (representing a half interest in the piggeries) to Mr Constantinidis. The Soeryadjaya family later bought into the piggeries, then got into a dispute with Mr Constantinidis which was settled by the Indonesians getting control of the Scone and Warwick piggeries while Mr Constantinidis kept Tamworth.

  219. John Comnenus

    If Shorten’s lips are moving he’s taking your money

  220. JC

    I don’t know if I agree. I really don’t know.

    Buffet on Cryptos

    Bitcoin

    Buffett has commented more extensively on cryptocurrencies at previous shareholder meetings, but on Saturday he told a story about an observation he made on his honeymoon in Las Vegas in 1952. He compared investors in Bitcoin to wealthy people who traveled hundreds of miles to lose their money playing roulette and other games.

    “I looked around and saw all of these well-dressed people,” Buffet said. “…They came to do something that every damn one of them knew was mathematically dumb.”

  221. Roger

    My grandmother attended the inauguration of Canberra as the nation’s capital in 1927 on the back of a dray from a nearby village.

    Whatever one may think of it (not much), it was a definite improvement upon Melbourne.

  222. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Third and final leaders’ debate locked in

    Rosie Lewis
    Reporter
    @rosieslewis
    13 minutes ago May 6, 2019
    11 Comments

    The third and final leaders’ debate will go ahead on Wednesday night at the National Press Club after Labor agreed to a US presidential-style event, with just one moderator grilling Scott Morrison and Bill Shorten.

    A row between the major parties had erupted over the format but Labor tonight ticked off on the press club’s president, ABC journalist Sabra Lane, being the sole moderator and questioner.

    It is hoped the format will encourage the Prime Minister and Opposition Leader to engage with one another during a prime time television slot.

    The Liberal Party agreed to the presidential set-up earlier in the day but Labor had held out, wanting a panel of journalists asking questions.

  223. Done Deal

    Billshort, if his lips are moving…he’s spending your money

    ….& your kid’s, and your kid’s

  224. John Constantine

    Bit of history for young Dot, from Hansard.

    The following report is from the Senate Hansard, No. 4, 1993, May 27.[emphasis in the Hansard report has been added by the paper.]

    Matters of Public Interest re Prime Minister: Companies.

    Senator Michael Baume speaking: “The Senate would be aware of my concerns at the inaccurate annual returns filed by the Brown and Hatton group of companies, which are half owned by the Prime Minister (Mr Keating), and the fact that the Australian Securities Commission required these returns corrected particularly by being audited.

    “I would like now to draw the Senate’s attention to a document that purports to reveal that the major lender to the Prime Minister’s piggery group, the Government owned Commonwealth Bank, has so little confidence in its prospects of recovering its loans of $17,862,941 to the group that, on 8 August, 1992, it made a provision for loss of $4.5 million against a possible principal loss of $5.4 million.

    “The document, headed ‘Confidential: Report of Provisioning for Loss’, read as follows:

    CORPORATE CENTRE: Sydney

    BORROWER: Brown and HattonGroup Pty Ltd and Related Accounts.

    PRINCIPAL/DIRECTORS: JJ Brown, JB Brown, VF Hatton, KA Hatton, A Constantinidis, P Christopher and P Keating.

    BUSINESS ACTIVITIES: Piggery. Commercial refrigeration.

    LENDING FACILITIES ESTABLISHED: 1976

    LOAN PURPOSES: Acquire piggery operation. Commercial property investment. Working capital.

    BALANCES: $17,862,941

    LESS Interest reserved: $1,696,759

    Security: R/M (7) R/E/M (3) by directors, by related companies $ 10,765,743 $ 12,462,502

    POSSIBLE PRINCIPAL LOSS: $ 5,400,439

    Note: CDB has provided separately secured facilitiestotalling $2,074,392 on which repayments are not being made at present. No loss is expected in view of the value of the security held

    AMOUNT OF PROVISION FOR PRINCIPAL LOSS: $ 4,500,000

    GENERAL: The group has along association with piggeries.

    In 1988 CBA funded a major expansion programme pending a proposed public float which did not proceed.

    Brown and Hatton’s rural operations have recently agreed to a joint venture with the Danish company Danpork AS, which is subject to the joint venture company arranging finance and should result in a reduction of CBA’s debt. The residual debt is projected to be around $10.3 million against security with an estimated value of $5.9 million. The provision for principal loss has been established on the basis that the joint venture will proceed and that continuing cash flows from the piggery operation cannot be relied upon to reduce the residual debt.

    The loss can be attributed to:

    failure to investigate adequately the financial position of the operation; and
    reliance on a proposed public float for clearance of debt.

    REPORTED TO CREDIT COMMITTEE OF THE BOARD (D N MAYNARD) 6 August 1992

    Senator Michael Baume still speaking: “I do not intend to canvas this alleged large bad debt provision beyond saying that it came at a time when the Prime Minister, his Ministers and his press office were denigrating my comments about inadequate financial reporting by this half copy;owned piggery group of his as unsubstantiated muckraking.

    “However, I cannot verify and I stress this the accuracy of the document I have just read as my previous attempts to verify allegations made to me about this group of companies that the Prime Minister half owns have resulted in legal action being taken against me and a blocking of further attempts to undertake my parliamentary duties.

    So in this case I have reluctantly been forced by the threat of legal action not to check this document with the Commonwealth Bank as I normally would have done.

    “However, this bad debt provision is particularly significant in view of the fact that the liabilities of five of the seven Brown and Hatton Group companies significantly exceeded their assets, according to the 1991 accounts finally audited and presented to the Australian SecuritiesCommission last December.

    This prompted the auditors to qualify their accounts in the following terms: the accounts have been prepared on a going concern basis which contemplates continuity of normal business activities and the realisation of assets and settlement of liabilities in the ordinary course of business. The continuity of normal business activities is dependent upon the continued support of the company’s ultimate shareholders together with the support of bankers of the group of which the company is a member. Financial support has been forthcoming from the group’s bankers to the date of signing this report.

    “That qualification, of course, is very significant. It exists in relationto those companies whose liabilities exceeded their assets, that is, five of the seven in the group which were subject to public company audit. An additional one, Rincraft, also had a substantial deficit but has not been subject to audit.

    “According to the auditors, the fate of this group of companies half-owned by the Prime Minister rests with the Commonwealth Bank which this document says has written off $4.5 million from this group as a bad debt. By the way, the loan amount of $17 million is against an equity of only $860,000 put in by the owners, Messrs Keating and Constantinidis, and their family companies.

    It is a gearing ratio that many farmers presently being put off their land by foreclosures would have loved to have been able to achieve.

    “Since 6 August, the date of this document, the group has filed a wholeseries of returns with the Australian Securities Commission outlining increased losses. I have no knowledge of whether the bank was aware of these further losses that were reported for the year to June 1992 to theASC in February 1993. These losses were substantial and, I repeat, unaudited, because no longer was there an auditor’s requirement because they had reverted to proprietary company status.

    “For example, the loss for the Brown and Hatton Group Pty Ltd for the year1992 was $2,971,276. The loss for Brown and Hatton Wholesale Pty Ltd was $423,501. For Jensay Pty Ltd the loss was $562,016. The loss for Olympia Refrigeration Sales Pty Ltd was $1,168,878. The loss for Olympia Industries Pty Ltd was $634,641, and the loss for Olympia Interiors Pty Ltd was $124,785. These losses were only in small part offset by a profit by Brown and Hatton Rural Pty Ltd of $1,862,363.

    “These very large losses follow the audited losses and audited returns provided by the company as a result of my pressure on the Australian Securities Commission to provide corrected returns for those which were patently incorrect. For example, the Brown and Hatton Group’s 1990 accounts showed that it had a profit of $842,999 when, in fact, its audited accounts have revealed a loss of $3,150,041.

    Its 1991 accounts were stated to show aloss of $1,518,847. In fact, it ended up as an audited loss of $2,842,868. For Brown and Hatton Rural Pty Ltd the 1990 unaudited profit was stated tobe $900,416. The audited profit was cut to $855,416.

    “For Jensay Pty Ltd the unaudited result for 1990 was supposed to be aloss of only $7,504. The audited loss was, in fact, $737,936. The Jensay result for 1991 followed a similar massive blow-out, where the unaudited loss was Au$43 and the audited loss was $412,043.

    “For Olympia RefrigerationSales Pty Ltd, the original unaudited loss was reported to be $141,143. The audited loss was $800,258 for 1990, and for 1991 there was a further correction from the unaudited loss of $343,548 to $358,983.

    “So we see that these significant unaudited losses, on top of the unaudited losses about which I have expressed concern, appear to have further deteriorated the financial position of some of the companies in the group. These results caused the stated shareholders’ equity of the group tobe significantly reduced as well, although the accounts must be treated with care because they are unaudited. The stated shareholders’ equity for the companies in the group are negative in most cases.

    “For example, theBrown and Hatton Group has a stated shareholders’ equity of minus $3.7 million.

    Senator Campbell: “As bad as the national accounts.”

    Senator Michael Baume: “It is as bad as the national accounts. Jensay Pty Ltd has a negative shareholders’ equity of $1.7 million. Olympia Refrigeration has a negative shareholders’ equity of $2.3 million. Olympia Industries has a negative shareholders’ equity of $1.9 million. Olympia Interiors Pty Ltd has a negative shareholders’ equity of $414,832.

    “Two members of the group have reported a positive shareholders equity Brown and Hatton Rural, with $5.1 million, and Brown and Hatton Wholesale,with $300,000 odd. It should be recognised that the positive shareholders’equities are heavily influenced by a massive revaluation of the value of buildings and are not a result of any substantial trading benefits.

    “I conclude by saying that, on the resumption of the Parliament in August, I will deal with other matters which I believe should be brought to theattention of the Senate. At that time I will also deal with the sacking of The Age columnist, Mr Peter Ryan, over this issue.”[end Hansard report.]

    1. This loss provision (debt forgiveness) mind you is without any legal action having been taken, and within some 12 to 18 months of theoriginal loan having been provided in the face of a poor rural climate. Perhaps the ‘witch bank’ have no expertise in the rural area?

    2. There is two major notable conditions in this paragraph which need deep consideration.

    (a) The loan value ratio to security ascompared with the 4 examples of cases we showed in the area prior to the Keating piggery fiasco.

    (b) The very fact that, not only have the ‘Bank’ given debt forgiveness and we might add without taking legal action, but, in fact, have turned the other cheek, as to foreclosing to obtain satisfaction as they have done in all the example cases and, in fact, gonethe extra mile to allow them the chance to trade out a situation, which in many cases like the examples would only have taken a very short time. No, the ‘Bank’ was more interested in increasing it’s asset growth and decreasing the employment and export potential of the nation why?

    3. This manipulation of company status, whilst completely legal, certainly is not the sort of practice resorted to by any companywhich is endeavouring to do the right thing by it’s creditors, and in this case, where it involves the Prime Minister, surely the public should be able to expect a more open and upfront operation?

    4. When reading this exposure of the companies half-owned by the Prime Minister, one should also remember that he was the ‘treasurer’and during his control of this office the national debt blew-out from $33million (1982-83) to $189 million (1991-92).

    If the performance of the companies he is involved with and the performanceof the Treasury and the nation whilst under his control are any criteria,how could anyone, least of all a bank loan $17 odd million on security of $860,000?

  225. John Comnenus

    Shorten VBenomics

    He can tax when you earn it, he can tax it when you spend it, he can tax it when you stash it, He can tax when you invest it, a matter of fact he’s taxing it now. VBenomics – a big thirst for tax payer $$$ needs Shorten VBEnomics.

  226. John Constantine

    I was paying 25% interest on the overdraft, plus bank charges at the height of keatings recession.

    What magic will shorten bring when their Ponzi implodes?.

  227. Boambee John

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #3006010, posted on May 6, 2019 at 6:11 pm
    I lasted three whole words of Mark Riley’s report. They were “Overcrowded public hospitals…”.

    Might I assume that Mark is an active opponent of Shorten’s plan to bring in 100,000 Chinese or Indian grandparents, because that plan would exacerbate the overcrowding? No? No bias there!

  228. Done Deal

    Shorten VBenomics
    He can tax when you earn it, he can tax it when you spend it, he can tax it when you stash it, He can tax when you invest it, a matter of fact he’s taxing it now. VBenomics – a big thirst for tax payer $$$ needs Shorten VBEnomics.

    and he’s even gonna tax it when you cark it

  229. Roger

    Shorten VBenomics

    He can tax when you earn it, he can tax it when you spend it, he can tax it when you stash it, He can tax when you invest it, a matter of fact he’s taxing it now. VBenomics – a big thirst for tax payer $$$ needs Shorten VBEnomics.

    And don’t neglect to declare the pennies on your eyes when you die.

    Cause he’s the taxman!

  230. Boambee John

    John Comnenus
    #3006012, posted on May 6, 2019 at 6:17 pm
    Numbers,
    There are plenty of veterans and ex military people on this site. So you served in Vietnam 50 years ago. So what? Get over it. Move on. If you can’t get over something that happened 50 years ago then you have real problems. You remind me of my late father forever bitching about the injustices meted out to the family in Central Europe in 1926, or was it 42?

    Numbers still bleats about the Irish potato blight famine. However, he has no interest in the Ukrainian Holodomor.

    Unlike the Irish famine, which was a product of natural causes and bureaucratic imcompetence, the Holodomor was a deliberate act by Stalin, to starve out some opposition.

  231. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    What magic will shorten bring when their Ponzi implodes?.

    A levy on bank accounts, investment portfolios and investments in property, in the name of the wukkas?

  232. Keating was cleared. I don’t give a fuck about hansard, he was cleared in an inquiry that John Howard set up in the early 2000s.

    This manipulation of company status, whilst completely legal

    Completely legal. Unless you’re some activist arsehole, WHO GIVES A SHIT?!

    Enough. Even the crap in hansard is just fucking crap.

    I don’t care some other senile idiot like Wilson Tuckey or Bronwyn Bishop did not approve of Paul Keating’s business practices. Likewise I could not give a shit if some ALP Senator deadshits really, really believed that Kerry Packer was stealing from destitute kids and was a major drug dealer.

    Stop repeating this swill. It is like expecting the Nationals to stop being fucking useless.

    Keating might be a senile prat, but repeating jealous nonsense achieves nothing. The pandering of the ALP to the Chinese now may border on illegality, as we saw with Fitzbaboon from Newc.

    This is actually what that annoying bastard Iampeter drones on with. The Liberals were attacking a legitimate business because they did not like the guy. This is the shit that Menzies was hell bent on stopping.

    Not good.

    Gee, I could not imagine any future government aping what the Liberals did here…oh no, not at all.

    “Whilst completely legal,….”

    Words that should make all citizens, particularly all civilians, all business people, particularly farmers, shit themselves in current year.

  233. Rockdoctor

    Australian on Palmer st Sth Townsville is a great place John C. Had many a long lunch there. To bad the mayor and Laurence Lancini have canabalised Palmer st to pump Laurence’s faltering interests in the cdb. Know there are a lot of for sale/lease signs where there once was a thriving restaurant scene…

  234. Boambee John

    Bill Shorten says he does not share Mr Keating’s views, but Anthony Albanese says they reflect broader concerns about attitudes towards China

    Has Albo discovered that Chinese rub and tug is better that Thai?

  235. John Constantine

    Long Term Asset Partners Ltd have tonight announced that after a period of “due diligence” it had withdrawn its non-binding indicative proposal to acquire GrainCorp.

    The original proposal made in December last year was worth an estimated $2.4 billion.

    The bid initially valued GrainCorp stocks at $10.42 a share, representing a premium of 42.7 per cent to the last closing price of GrainCorp shares of $7.30 on November 30.

    Before making the proposal, LTAP assembled a team of Tier 1 finance, legal, grain industry and debt rating experts to assess GrainCorp.

    Graincorp directors fight off the takeover bid and keep their jobs.

    Shareprice the only loser.

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