Monday Forum: May 13, 2019

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  1. Cardimona

    Where is everyone?

  2. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Morning, all.

  3. feelthebern

    Everyone got “suspended” for asking Bill an off script question.

  4. DrBeauGan

    The neo-Maltiusans are at it again.
    “Only 400+years before we are all DOOOOMMMMED!!!”

    If we mine the solar system nearly every boogeyman thrown up by the enviroloons collapses into a pile of crap.

    These guys are religious zealots and hate the idea of us getting away from them and the socialist worker’s paradise.

  5. Confused Old Misfit

    Gone to walk the dog.

  6. thefrollickingmole

    These guys are religious zealots and hate the idea of us getting away from them and the socialist worker’s paradise.

    Thats it, people with unlimited resources & wealth = lack of control.

    The desperate fear that someone, somewhere is enjoying doing something they disapprove of if driving them insane.

  7. twostix

    These guys are religious zealots and hate the idea of us getting away from them and the socialist worker’s paradise.

    It’s a given that the colonial forefathers left europe and preferred to live in bark huts with dirt floors just to get away from these suffocating continental gamma male losers.

    They always follow. They’ll follow us to the stars with their clipboards and hen pecking gamma maleness once all the hard work is done, then where will we go?

  8. Roger

    It seems we’ve woken up in a police state where embarrassing a politician gets you sacked without a right of appeal and walking into the wrong area in a sports stadium gets your family evicted by police with their hands on their weapon holsters.

    Meanwhile Israel Folau’s basic human rights have been suppressed by his employer.

    What an ugly nation we’ve suddenly become.

  9. It seems we’ve woken up in a police state where embarrassing a politician gets you sacked without a right of appeal and walking into the wrong area in a sports stadium gets your family evicted by police with their hands on their weapon holsters.

    And posting “LEST.WE.FORGET. (Manus, Nauru, Syria, Palestine…)” gets you death threats, and forces you to move overseas to escape the opprobrium.

    What an ugly nation we’ve suddenly become.

    Absolutely correct….

  10. notafan

    And posting “LEST.WE.FORGET. (Manus, Nauru, Syria, Palestine…)” gets you death threats, and forces you to move overseas to escape the opprobrium.

    Every time you tell a lie you make a heaven’s angel cry

  11. That same heaven’s angel would be incessantly lachrymose if he read Catallaxy.

  12. Knuckle Dragger

    Oh God. Four Leaf Tayback’s a reffo advocate now as well.

    Is there no cause celebre he can’t poke his nose into and get wrong?

  13. notafan

    Yassmin left Australia in September 2017 and had been back a kazillion times since then

    no-one forced her to move anywhere

  14. feelthebern

    We should defer to numbers on all things regarding morality.
    He’s on the plenary council, don’t ya know.

  15. Mater

    What an ugly nation we’ve suddenly become.

    It’s only the start.
    I was speaking to a very close friend on the weekend, a VICPOL member. I expressed my disappointment at VICPOLs performance in letting Arky and myself get bashed at the Lauren Southern event last year and their apparent reluctance to remove the violent protesters.

    His response?
    “Well, given who was speaking, you shouldn’t have been there in the first place!”

    Since when was VICPOL spelt NKVD?

  16. notafan

    That same heaven’s angel would be incessantly lachrymose if he read Catallaxy.

    Exactly

    Please stop posting lies here.

  17. notafan

    Yassmin didn’t come here as a refugee

  18. Not Uh oh

    Am I the only one who is finding the photos of young Archie Windsor a bit strange? First pictures were of his forehead and today’s offering is his feet. Hopefully all is well with the little mite and this is just his parents being stupid.

  19. feelthebern

    numbers lies make baby Jesus cry.

  20. Knuckle Dragger

    Actually, lest we forget is appropriate for Syria.

    Dog River in 1941 when units of the 7th Division flogged the suitcase out of the treasonous Vichy French.

    Never sell out your own country.

  21. Knuckle Dragger

    Mater,

    The pinko rat. I’ve made a point of grilling another VicPol ‘member’ this week, as she’s transformed into a warmie koala adopting fake compassionista.

    There’s still the vast majority on side, Mater.

  22. twostix

    It seems we’ve woken up in a police state where embarrassing a politician gets you sacked without a right of appeal and walking into the wrong area in a sports stadium gets your family evicted by police with their hands on their weapon holsters.

    In the absence of religion or tradition what do we have to appeal to to not end up like this?

    This is how all crap atheistic socialist countries behave.

  23. Roger

    And posting “LEST.WE.FORGET. (Manus, Nauru, Syria, Palestine…)” gets you death threats, and forces you to move overseas to escape the opprobrium.

    I believe Yassmin is back and has been for some time.

    I hope she can get on with her life outside of the media spotlight and has learned a few things.

    The ABC used her for it’s own purposes and then dumped her when she got too hot.

  24. Roger

    Since when was VICPOL spelt NKVD?

    Since they went after Pell.

    One of the first tasks of the NKVD was the arrest and imprisonment/execution of high ranking clergy.

  25. Mother Lode

    I believe Yassmin is back and has been for some time.

    Ha!

    Imagine being so gullible as to believe such pathetically transparent theatrics.

  26. DrBeauGan

    They always follow. They’ll follow us to the stars with their clipboards and hen pecking gamma maleness once all the hard work is done, then where will we go?

    Space ’em.

  27. Roger

    She wrote a piece about her return, iirc, and how hard it was looking for a job.

  28. Fred

    Looks like the new federal government Anti-Corruption Commission will have its first case.

    W. Shorten, Queensland Government & the Gladstone Ports Corporation.

  29. Atoms for Peace

    Bad optics with the Gladstone man . I feel a reach out media moment will be coming our way.

  30. notafan

    yassie musings on insta,

    just one comment

    Mohamad 2 days ago · 0 Likes

    Women do not have the knowledge or authority to define men.

    I bet she doesn’t answer back

    one thing that defines Yassie; she thinks she knows everything about everything but despite being reminded over and over again continues on with her ahistorical biased nonsense

    instagram account

  31. Dr Faustus

    Bill Shorten explains foreign policy:

    Australian foreign policy should be pursued with Australia’s national interests at its hearts.

    The United States, as I’ve said on many occasions, is our longest standing ally and we have shared values. But I did notice that Mr Morrison calculates China as a customer. I think we need a bit more sophistication from people who want to be prime minister than telling one of the largest countries on earth that we see you as customers.

    Sophisticated Bill Shorten at work, chucking sophisticatedly as he tells one of the largest countries on Earth that their President is “barking mad” and Trump POTUS is as likely as an “alien life form“.

  32. notafan

    and despite wondered how soon whitey would be harassing her, the only person she has had uncomfortable experience with in Georgia is a dark skinned mus lim male.

    Professional dill is she.

  33. Mother Lode

    She wrote a piece about her return, iirc, and how hard it was looking for a job.

    Is there no end to the machinations of the fascist right?

    Was she looking for an engineering job? Or a commentator gig?

    Or modelling for an construction excavation company?

    Surely the insanely massive baleen anchored in her jaws must have been given to her for something.

  34. Ruthm

    The slogan for the LNP candidate “send a worker to Canberra” has been offending me because I’ve worked on some of the previous campaigns and the candidates were all workers. Today I’ve seen the sign in Nundah Village prefaced with “Wayne Swan is retiring” and can now appreciate the wit.

  35. Roger

    one thing that defines Yassie; she thinks she knows everything about everything

    That’s a little unfair, nota; she did defer to Hizb ut-Tahrir a number of times.

    😉

  36. Eyrie

    “They always follow. They’ll follow us to the stars with their clipboards and hen pecking gamma maleness once all the hard work is done, then where will we go?”
    We go first and throw rocks at them.

  37. John Comnenus

    Mmm I would have thought that Shorten would have the ‘sophistication’ to know that the UK is our oldest ally and NZ perhaps our closest.

  38. John Comnenus

    Surprised Shorten hasn’t reminded China that we invaded to suppress the Boxer rebellion. Surely the ALP and Greens will be demanding a grovelling apology on behalf of China.

  39. notafan

    Yes Roger but only after she got corrected by them

    Flicking through her Instagram, blogging in Sudan in 2012 and stopping and coming home to Australia because too dangerous

    complete lack of self awareness

    So hard blah blah blah inshallah blah blah blah alhamdulilah blah blah blah

    She is fading into irrelevancy, hope those speaking gigs don’t dry up.

  40. thefrollickingmole

    Shes been so shut up…

    No ABC/SBS, No Yassmin… (pinched from wiki)
    From August 2016, Abdel-Magied presented ABC TV human interest show Australia Wide until the show was cancelled due to ABC program restructuring. The last episode was aired on 1 July 2017.

    Other activities on Australian media have included Triple J (radio),Radio National, F1 Racing (2016 podcast), SBS TV The Truth About Racism (2017) and ABC TV’s Hard Chat (2016–2017).

    In 2018, Abdel-Magied presented six six-minute episodes of an Ibama headwear fashion program on ABC iview. In April of the same year, Abdel-Magied appeared in her acting debut in the SBS TV series Homecoming Queens, made in her Australian hometown of Brisbane, about the lives of two young women as they dealing with life after major illness. Abdel-Magied played a character described as “a conceited social media lifestyle guru”

    In April 2019, Abdel-Magied spoke on The Bookshow on ABC Radio National about her debut novel You Must Be Layla. The target audience is young readers, and the plot centres on a Sudanese girl who struggles to fit into her new private school. She spoke of the additional freedom afforded by fiction in expressing themes important to her

  41. Chris

    We need a Trump in charge in Australia!

  42. Mother Lode

    Dear Yammie,

    “When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.”

    -Thomas Sowell

  43. Dr Fred Lenin

    Just watchd Nigel Farage tear a bbc communist a new one on delingpole , breitbart . The iterviewer was splitting hairs like the US decromats , fishing with with a prepared list of irrelevant questions trying to trap Farage, Nigel was far too smart for him ,tying to force the idiot to deal with the current situation , not some imagined offense to illegals , poof s and other useless socialist dross. US attorny general Bbarr did the same to the very frightened decromats on the judiciary comittee ,he silenced hem with his move to investigate the grubs who concocted the russian collusion . Love to see him line them up in court and knock them down,the conspiricy gies as high a obummer and the clintons .and several foreign plliemaggots including downer and God knows who else maybe even that labor fraud turnbull. They must have a book if rules they must follow on pain of nonpersonism for life .

  44. feelthebern

    Is the religion of piece still the most feminist of all religions?
    Asking for friends in Sri Lanka & Burkina Faso.

  45. John64

    Straight from Tim Southpossuminsane’s definition of the deadly sin of casual racism; the big debate in Yarragrad today is whether Essendon player James Fantasia’s surname is pronounced “Fan-tay-see-ah” or “Fan-ta-sia”.

    And there’s a Federal Election in 5 days ………

  46. DrBeauGan

    “They always follow. They’ll follow us to the stars with their clipboards and hen pecking gamma maleness once all the hard work is done, then where will we go?”
    We go first and throw rocks at them.

    Nah. We live in space and kick them out of the airlock. Instant freeze-dried little’Itler.

  47. Shatterzzz

    You know the police have a problem with their PR when they wait, near, 24 hours before issuing an “excuse”!
    Seems that after ejecting the bloke and his daughter from the Sydney/Melbourne “fitba” game last night over the toilet & “privilege” of who gets exclusive use of such “they” (police, that is) have come out with, “It wasn’t about the toilet, he was trying to buy a “full strength” beer (only available to “elites”, apparently!)”.
    Someone in a, professional type, PR should explain that excuses a day late aren’t really winners!
    Sad, just sad!

  48. Pedro the Ignorant

    Posted at the risk of triggering the tool from Toowoomba.

    This morning I had a coffee with a local bloke who is a Vietnam veteran from the 3rd Royal Australian Regiment.

    He alerted me to the fact that on this day in 1968 Australian soldiers were engaged in a huge battle in South Vietnam for a piece of ground called Fire Base Coral-Balmoral. The battle went on for over two weeks and 25 Australians were killed and 110 wounded. The VietCong had over 250 killed.

    On this day in 2018, his regiment was awarded the Unit Citation for Gallantry, 50 years late.

    Unassuming fellow, I would never have known he was a former soldier and combat veteran.

    I had not heard of this battle, but like most people I thought Long Tan was the only major action fought by Australians in Vietnam.

    Here is a thumbnail of the battle: Fire Base Coral-Balmoral.

  49. notafan

    I’m going to fight for action on climate change and rising power prices, while also making sure the transition to renewables is just and fair.

    Labor shooting for the stars.

  50. John Constantine

    Labor’s climate change policy suite has all these objectives at its core.

    We’ll regulate to reduce carbon output in the electricity and industrial sectors with firm carbon reduction targets. But we won’t impose carbon reduction targets on agriculture. Farmers will be able to participate in the system by creating carbon offsets and earning revenue by planting more trees, preserving more ground cover and increasing the carbon in soils and through other measures.

    This is a win-win for farmers; it will provide another revenue source and incentivise productivity-enhancing on-farm improvements to our natural resource base. And it will provide the best defence to drought.

    Labor will help our farmers embrace these opportunities by investing $40 million to develop new carbon offset methodologies.

    Promoting productivity growth and sustainable profitability is the main game for the agriculture sector and it will be a key focus for a Shorten Government.

    ● Joel Fitzgibbon is Opposition agriculture spokesman

    Rewild your farm and sell the rewilding credits.

    The big end of town will be taxed hard enough for rewilding to be more profitable than rainfall dependant food production.

    Comrades.

  51. notafan

    The big end of town will be taxed hard enough for rewilding to be more profitable than rainfall dependant food production.

    Let them eat solar panels

  52. Leigh Lowe

    areff

    #3011317, posted on May 13, 2019 at 1:25 pm

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-05/nsw-alp-official-charged-over-child-porn/10870566?fbclid=IwAR3NnR-ZReoEZjQK-jYA97FQls5yB7qP_AMxReCyymGB_-qqE4NKBEz6xgM

    The Spud-peeler is totally OK with the fact that the ALP is infested with Peter-files.
    Nothing to see … move on.

  53. Knuckle Dragger

    Pedro,

    Yup. 3RAR and 1RAR (Iirc) went in and occupied real estate thought to be on a main enemy supply route. It was a patrol base/fire base with artillery, mortars, US heavy weapons and later Centurion tanks.

    The Ho enthusiasts mounted at least two major assaults and overran parts of the perimeter. RPGs bursting in trees chopped the sigs below to pieces. Artillery were firing flechette (a shell containg thousands of little darts) over open sights and exploding as soon as it left the muzzle. Gunners and grunts went hand to hand around the guns all night before Charlie decided he didn’t surf and pissed off.

    Clearing patrols the next morning found Vietnamese limbs blown into trees all over the place.

    The grunts then cleared a series of well-defended bunker systems over the next week with the help of the tanks. It was the first time Australian infantry and armour had worked together since WW2.

    Hard men. Hard, hard men.

  54. notafan

    The progressive narrative is beyond rational understanding.

    Seattle, don’t go there.

    don’t speak about your r ape experience because triggering

  55. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Here is a thumbnail of the battle: Fire Base Coral-Balmoral.</blockquote

    Lex McAuley's account of the battles are the best writings on the subject.

  56. Knuckle Dragger

    Oh, and in traditional fashion the nogs dragged off most of their dead and wounded. Those they couldn’t or didn’t have time to were booby trapped.

    Very few prisoners were taken.

  57. Mark M

    The price of being progressive …

    ‘Outrageous’! Proposed registration fee hike for electric cars in Illinois leaves progressives shocked by cost of progressivism …

    https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2019/05/10/outrageous-proposed-registration-fee-hike-for-electric-cars-in-illinois-leaves-progressives-shocked-by-cost-of-progressivism/

  58. twostix

    We’ll regulate to reduce carbon output in the electricity and industrial sectors with firm carbon reduction targets. But we won’t impose carbon reduction targets on agriculture. Farmers will be able to participate in the system by creating carbon offsets and earning revenue by planting more trees, preserving more ground cover and increasing the carbon in soils and through other measures.

    This sort of meddling in farming by low IQ middlebrow urban dimwits is how food shortages are created.

  59. I had not heard of this battle, but like most people I thought Long Tan was the only major action fought by Australians in Vietnam.

    Pedro the Ignorant living up to his avatar.
    Read this – it debunks most of the Anzackery, including “Every National Serviceman who served in Vietnam was a volunteer”.

    You might also learn something….

  60. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    This sort of meddling in farming by low IQ middlebrow urban dimwits is how food shortages are created.

    Yes, but it helps them feel just so good about themselves.

  61. dover_beach

    Windshuttle on the Pell verdict at Quadrant on-line.

    Amazing decision to have the Parliament join together to promote the RC in the very midst of the second trial of Pell. How can justify a suppression order in the midst of the ‘belieb victims’ palava that was unleashed in Oct as the second trial was in progress? Sickening.

  62. Knuckle Dragger

    You still here, Four Leaf?

    I’ve read several accounts of Coral/Balmoral, including the gold standard of McAuley. All mention nashos and regs serving together, and all mention the demonstrated bravery of both.

    You know what I didn’t read about?

    Constant bitching from any of the diggers about they didn’t want to be there, they were too smart for this, please can I go back where it’s safe and count blankets and show films.

    Your arrogant constant use of the term ‘Anzackery’ is a personal insult to every Digger past and present.

    ‘I ended up in the army to do a job, not get a job’

    Your contempt for those who served with/tolerated you is demonstrably abundant.

    You are a coward who revels in the national service you tried so hard not to perform.

  63. thefrollickingmole

    Numbers still hasn’t learned it was government power that forced him to serve in Vietnam.

    Thats why he still sees big government as the solution instead of the problem.

    He a bit thick like that, which is why he always ignores that point, but its worth reminding him because he usually flogs off for a couple of hours rather than acknowledge the point.

  64. mh

    notafan
    #3011227, posted on May 13, 2019 at 11:01 am
    Yikes!

    https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/elsa-patton-real-housewives-of-miami-dead

    an 84 year old died of natural causes

    very shareworthy

    Then

    thefrollickingmole
    #3011232, posted on May 13, 2019 at 11:06 am
    mh
    #3011187, posted on May 13, 2019 at 9:19 am
    Yikes!

    https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/elsa-patton-real-housewives-of-miami-dead

    Last time I saw a visage like that it had Max Von Sydow chucking holy water at it shouting “The power of Christ compels you”

    Notafan didn’t spot anything unusual. Too much time spent at the Catholic Church?!

  65. bespoke

    Wasn’t Yassmin on some committee elated to he comments?

  66. Ubique

    Alan Kohler in today’s Australian is bemoaning the Government’s so-called ‘fiscal austerity’ as being so yesterday.
    A reader sets him straight:
    The US economy is growing so rapidly because it is productive. Economic growth is fuelled by production, and never government spending. Read up on Say’s Law and you will begin to understand the US phenomenon.

  67. Tom

    The juicy bit of the Farrage interview to which Comrade Fred refers:

    Thanks areff: a Trumpian masterclass on how to deal with textbook attempted gotchas from the scum of the j0urnalistic cabal at the BBC/ABC/CNN/MSNBC — and not a single member of the timid
    non-left Australian political establishment will even see it, let alone take notes.

  68. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Read this – it debunks most of the Anzackery, including “Every National Serviceman who served in Vietnam was a volunteer”.

    Disclosure – Numbers Bob has finally found a historian who agrees with him, and says nice things about Numbers Bob’s book.

  69. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    ‘Outrageous’! Proposed registration fee hike for electric cars in Illinois leaves progressives shocked by cost of progressivism …

    $17 rego fee in illinois…….!?!?!?!?!

  70. BrettW

    Numbers is so disgusted with being forced to serve in Vietnam that he wears his medals in a manner (ie. without his Nasho medal) to suggest he did volunteer as a regular.

    Hypocrite.

  71. bespoke

    The funny thing is he still has the same size shoe’s he had as a small boy. Small man big chip.

  72. notafan

    Notafan didn’t spot anything unusual. Too much time spent at the Catholic Church?!

    Oh please go on and ‘enlighten’ me

  73. stackja

    Regarding Pell second trial. I don’t remember anything about Parliament apologising about so-called naughty actions. I probably saw headline and turned page and turned off any news.

  74. notafan

    Wasn’t Yassmin on some committee elated to he comments?

    Several years prior she served on a committee that ought to have given her insight

    needless to say Yassmin and insight don’t belong in the same sentence

  75. Ubique

    Fire Base Coral

    The gunners of 102 Field Battery firing 105mm flechette rounds into the ranks of the attacking North Vietnamese regular troops at Coral caused mayhem. When they ran out of these “shotgun” rounds, the resourceful gunners ingeniously used HE M557 rounds fused delay in firing at the ground 50m in front of their targets, causing the shell to ricochet and explode in the air above the heads of the enemy.

    We had the honour of hearing all the details of the battle from Warrant Officer instructors at Duntroon who had fought at Coral.

  76. Pedro the Ignorant

    Oh dear.
    I was afraid my post about the South Vietnam battle in 1968 would set off that fuckwit.

    Apologies to the sane Cats for raising the undead fool.

  77. Mater

    Don’t stress, Pedro. It doesn’t take much.
    You can rattle a can and achieve the same effect.

  78. Real Deal

    From the old ‘Fred.

    Ahhhh…Burkina Faso.

    Hey, Marissa! Found Dr. Elliot yet? Nah, didn’t think so.

    Some of us haven’t forgotten the good, gentle, generous old doctor.

    Thanks for reminding us, Calli. Payne and her self-absorbed predecessor should hang their heads in shame. Forgotten by his country but not forgotten by his Master.

  79. Johno

    Pedro, Long Tan, Coral, Balmoral and Binh Ba were all awarded Battle honours. Mate I went to school with was awarded the DCM at Coral. Came back to Oz and joined the Canberra police force. Was killed on his bike on Hindmarsh Drive Red Hill.
    Sniffy didn’t get no honours cause he didn’t do nuffin.

  80. Pedro the Ignorant

    Numbers having a sly dig at me for not knowing about a battle that happened 51 years ago when I was still in school, a battle that was fought in some SE Asian dump that most people couldn’t have found on a map at the time and was both bagged and swept under the carpet by “progressives” for years.

    Not real clued up on the Battle of Crecy or the Maori Wars of 1845 either.

    Yuuuge holes in my education.

  81. Mark A

    Bt of a climate fact I didn’t know about, with the million others of course.

  82. Stimpson J. Cat

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-05/nsw-alp-official-charged-over-child-porn/10870566?fbclid=IwAR3NnR-ZReoEZjQK-jYA97FQls5yB7qP_AMxReCyymGB_-qqE4NKBEz6xgM

    Well well well…

    The Catholic Church has confirmed that Mr Hansen was a priest who ministered in the Archdiocese of Melbourne until he resigned from the ministry in 2011.

    Isn’t that just fascinating…..

  83. mh

    I also need to brush up on my ‘Nam history.

    Which was the famous battle that Democrat Senator Richard Blumenthal fought in?

  84. Oh come on

    I believe Yassmin is back and has been for some time

    She couldn’t make it in the Old Dart, eh? Even with all of her Affirmative Action credit points? Gosh, she really must be a dullard.

    In that case, I expect she’ll get a gig on The Project shortly.

  85. Stimpson J. Cat

    I always thought the Battle of Coral was the fight to save our Great Barrier Reef.

  86. zyconoclast

    Heard a clip, no link, where Tits Shorten says a person should be able to say what they like without fear it affects their work.
    This was in relation to the Queensland contractor.

    Folau need not apply.

  87. notafan

    We all know p dos go where there is easier access to children

    scouts, teaching, religious ministers or best of all their very own children stepchildren grandchildren

    Families have always been the most dangerous places.

    And it is grand that the Catholic Church now has a no tolerance attitude to abusers.

  88. RobK

    I always thought the Battle of Coral was the fight to save our Great Barrier Reef.
    You’re thinking of the Coral Sea.

  89. stackja

    BS staff arrange for school kids to cheer. And their parents vote? Since they can’t.

  90. thefrollickingmole

    Its totally not a cult that will ruin lives…

    Pinched from instapundit.
    The man who literally wrote the definition of gender dysphoria is barred because hes “hate speech”..

    Reinstated now.
    https://twitter.com/BlanchardPhD?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1127286484011245569&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpjmedia.com%2Ftrending%2Fexpert-psychologist-blocked-on-twitter-for-expressing-clinical-opinion-on-transgenderism%2F
    https://pjmedia.com/trending/expert-psychologist-blocked-on-twitter-for-expressing-clinical-opinion-on-transgenderism/
    After this qualified statement of support, Blanchard explained his clinically-informed opinion that “sex change surgery should not be considered for any patient until that patient has reached the age of 21 years and has lived for at least two years in the desired gender role.”

    This delay is controversial, as many transgender activists encourage hormonal and surgical treatments for minors, even children. Some researchers have received government grants to try such treatments on 8-year-old children, and a British transgender activist took her 15-year-old son to Thailand to get him castrated. When a Catholic woman complained about this child abuse on Twitter, U.K. police investigated her for abuse. Last year, 17-year-old transgender celebrity Jazz Jennings had his male organ surgically removed. Yet studies have shown that the vast majority of children who identify as transgender will revert to their biological sex if they are allowed to go through puberty. For this and other reasons, Blanchard’s position makes sense psychologically.

  91. stackja

    mole – Australian gender activists just waiting for next Saturday.

  92. Ros

    Yes Tlaib strikes again, with the greatest of tropes, the Ungrateful Ignoble J e w. Znd the call for destruction that so often accompanies this trope

    Thus spoke Pope Gregory IX, but that was in 1200.
    “Ungrateful for favors and forgetful of benefits, the J e ws return insult for kindness and impious contempt for goodness. They ought to know the yoke of perpetual enslavement because of their guilt. See to it that the perfidious J e ws never in the future grow insolent, but that they always suffer publicly the shame of their sin in servile fear.”

    How can the Democrats not act this time.

  93. stackja

    NRL have to let acquitted player play.

  94. This report debunks much of what has been posted here about the Gladstone contractor.
    Some facts –
    1. Shorten had nothing to do with his alleged “dismissal” and was unaware of the controversy until he read about it in the media.
    2. The individual in question is still employed by the contractor and still carrying out work for him.
    3. The individual in question has gone very quiet, and does not want to “publicly comment”.
    4. The ports corporation is saying it did not suspend the worker.

  95. Fred

    Looks like Shorten’s Australia will be a lot like North Korea.

    If you upset Dear Leader, you will be led away and shot with an anti-aircraft gun.

  96. notafan

    Shorten had nothing to do with his alleged “dismissal” and was unaware of the controversy until he read about it in the media.

    who said he did?

  97. notafan

    Gladstone Ports Corporation issued a statement, then shortly afterwards, issued another statement.

    Seems that they booted him from the site and the sub-contractor moved him to a different one.

    So the opinions expressed by various commentors s and news outlets appear to be valid.

  98. BrettW

    Numbers,
    How about the bit where his access card was made inoperable and his desk stuff packed up. Or is that made up ? If he is still working for the contractor but no longer has access to the port work site doesn’t that suggest it came from higher up than the contractor he worked for?

    Somebody did not like him asking the question.

    What does freedom fighter Yassmin say ?

  99. ian3029

    The Courier-Mail said the worker, who has taken another job, did not want to publicly comment, but had been shocked when told of his suspension.

    However, the ports corporation issued another statement later on Monday saying it did not suspend the worker.

    “The port worker, a sub-contractor, is still employed by the contractor and carrying out work for their employer,” it said.

    Which is correct Bob?

  100. Farmer Gez

    We’ll regulate to reduce carbon output in the electricity and industrial sectors with firm carbon reduction targets. But we won’t impose carbon reduction targets on agriculture. Farmers will be able to participate in the system by creating carbon offsets and earning revenue by planting more trees, preserving more ground cover and increasing the carbon in soils and through other measures.

    This is a win-win for farmers; it will provide another revenue source and incentivise productivity-enhancing on-farm improvements to our natural resource base. And it will provide the best defence to drought.

    You’d be a damn fool to get involved in this.
    Droughts will reduce the tree growth or a fire could wipe out the plantation in one hit and you’re stuck with a contract to grow carbon.
    Pay up mug farmer.

  101. Old School Conservative

    I feel sorry for numbers and his intellectual dishonesty.
    It’s just one of several problems he exhibits here.

  102. who said he did?

    These two for starters……

    feelthebern
    #3011241, posted on May 13, 2019 at 11:36 am
    Everyone got “suspended” for asking Bill an off script question.

    Roger
    #3011252, posted on May 13, 2019 at 11:47 am
    It seems we’ve woken up in a police state where embarrassing a politician gets you sacked without a right of appeal

  103. notafan

    Neither of those comments even come close to suggesting that Bill Shorten directly intervened

    More lying, more crying.

  104. twostix

    1. Shorten had nothing to do with his alleged “dismissal” and was unaware of the controversy until he read about it in the media.
    2. The individual in question is still employed by the contractor and still carrying out work for him.
    3. The individual in question has gone very quiet, and does not want to “publicly comment”.
    4. The ports corporation is saying it did not suspend the worker.

    lol

    Nothing to see here!

  105. thefrollickingmole

    At least one party of the left in the EU is realizing crapping on the “deplorables” isnt a great vote winner.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/11/denmark-election-matte-frederiksen-leftwing-immigration

    A victory for Frederiksen would be a boon for Europe’s social democrats as they gaze across the continent at a dispiriting political landscape. But it would not be without controversy, for under Frederiksen the party has been ruthlessly reshaped: dragged to the left economically – and sharply to the right on immigration.

    For me, it is becoming increasingly clear that the price of unregulated globalisation, mass immigration and the free movement of labour is paid for by the lower classes,” she wrote in a recent biography.

    Denmark’s current right-wing coalition government last year enacted the most anti-immigration legislation in Danish history and, rather than position her party in stark opposition, Frederikson has embraced much of it.

    Under her leadership, the SD have called for a cap on “non-western immigrants”, for asylum seekers to be expelled to a reception centre in North Africa, and for all immigrants to be forced to work 37 hours a week in exchange for benefits.

    She has reached out to the populist Danish People’s party (DPP), doing a series of joint interviews with its leader, Kristian Thulesen Dahl, and discussing cooperating with them in government.

    But it is the government policies her party has supported which have been most alarming for her allies in the left-of-centre red bloc. These include a law allowing jewellery to be stripped from refugees, a burqa and niqab ban, mandatory handshakes irrespective of religious sentiment at citizenship ceremonies, and a plan to house criminal asylum seekers on an island used for researching contagious animal diseases. In February, she backed what the DPP has branded a “paradigm shift” – a push to make repatriation, rather than integration, the goal of asylum policy.


    For years, we have underestimated the challenges of mass immigration,” she told them. “Economic policy and foreign policy in Europe have been too liberal. We have failed when it comes to maintaining the social contract, which is the very foundation of the social-democratic social model.

    A nation is for the benefit of its nationals.

    In a sane Australia this would be put about as self evidently obvious.

    Instead we have the Uniparties auctioning off Australian citizenship to geriatrics and dodgy students.

  106. thefrollickingmole

    Lets try again…

    At least one party of the left in the EU is realizing crapping on the “deplorables” isnt a great vote winner.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/11/denmark-election-matte-frederiksen-leftwing-immigration

    A victory for Frederiksen would be a boon for Europe’s social democrats as they gaze across the continent at a dispiriting political landscape. But it would not be without controversy, for under Frederiksen the party has been ruthlessly reshaped: dragged to the left economically – and sharply to the right on immigration.

    For me, it is becoming increasingly clear that the price of unregulated globalisation, mass immigration and the free movement of labour is paid for by the lower classes,” she wrote in a recent biography.

    Denmark’s current right-wing coalition government last year enacted the most anti-immigration legislation in Danish history and, rather than position her party in stark opposition, Frederikson has embraced much of it.

    Under her leadership, the SD have called for a cap on “non-western immigrants”, for asylum seekers to be expelled to a reception centre in North Africa, and for all immigrants to be forced to work 37 hours a week in exchange for benefits.


    For years, we have underestimated the challenges of mass immigration,” she told them. “Economic policy and foreign policy in Europe have been too liberal. We have failed when it comes to maintaining the social contract, which is the very foundation of the social-democratic social model.

    A nation is for the benefit of its nationals.

    In a sane Australia this would be put about as self evidently obvious.

    Instead we have the Uniparties auctioning off Australian citizenship to geriatrics and dodgy students.

  107. ian3029

    The Australian, just now –

    After The Courier-Mail began asking questions about the issue last Friday, it is understood the man was contacted by electrical contracting firm Welcon Technol­ogies informing him his suspension had been lifted. However, he had already taken on a short-term job elsewhere. Welcon failed to ­return calls yesterday.

  108. woolfe

    3. The individual in question has gone very quiet, and does not want to “publicly comment”.

    A Pigs head in your bed will tend to do that.

    They will know where you live.

  109. twostix

    3. The individual in question has gone very quiet, and does not want to “publicly comment”.

    Imagine a powerful political apparatus giving the nod to crush an ordinary person, then having your cultish supporters use the fact that person has gone silent as proof nothing was done to them.

    Bolshevik stuff.

  110. twostix

    1. Shorten had nothing to do with his alleged “dismissal” and was unaware of the controversy until he read about it in the media.

    “If only Stalin knew!”

  111. Roger

    1735099
    #3011399, posted on May 13, 2019 at 4:42 pm
    who said he did?

    Don’t verbal me.

  112. notafan

    Future footage of the Gladstone visit by Vozhd Shorten will have the worker airbrushed out.

  113. Robber Baron

    Herr Furher Shorten had “nuffink” to do wiff his sacking.

  114. Knuckle Dragger

    Plover Lover Four Leaf,

    No one ever said Shorten was personally involved. Everyone has said it was a bad look for the Labour Party. Port Man’s boss is a former Labour candidate.

    Port Man is not still employed b the same people. He has taken other work. Amazing, must be a top employee, right, to find work, presumably at a commensurate salary. I would imagine he’s rightly told his boss to go fxck himself after he was suspended, and had his desk packed for him and delivered to his house.

    Port Man does not want to publicly comment. Entirely fair enough. Why should he publicly comment on anything? He’s not a political figure, he’s just a bloke that asked Shorten a question that made him look like a bumbling dunderhead – hence the suspension and locking his access card. Port Man’s idiot boss probably thought he was doing HIS idiot boss a favour.

    The Canberra Times, Crayon Eater? Really? Even for you that’s a stretch.

    Grade: D. Easily distracted by shiny things. Is afflicted by delusions of adequacy. Starts arguments in class which he cannot finish, and steals classmates’ shoes to give to others. Please see me at the start of Term 2.

  115. Knuckle Dragger

    I predicted this state of affairs this morning, Principal Lock and Load.

    And it became so.

  116. johanna

    I know that there are some Led Zep haters here (I’m looking at you, C.L.) but the fact is that the music business makes bootleg booze look like a children’s tea party.

    I’ve been watching some of those ‘first reaction’ videos where they hear When the Levee Breaks.

    What is interesting is how many of the black guys doing these shows evidently know nothing about the blues. All they know is hip hop and the like. They don’t even know that their favourite artists sampled John Bonham’s drumming again and again.

    In prehistoric times, when I was a young music fanatic, I wanted to know everything about the influences and context of my faves.

    Seeing young black guys who are into music but are puzzled by the blues because they know nothing about it is disturbing.

    No wonder America is in a mess.

  117. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Schoolgirls scream for Shorten

    Bill Shorten has appealed to senior high school students at an all-girls Catholic school by talking up his record on women, including plans to introduce gender neutral CVs in the Commonwealth public service.

    The Opposition Leader was mobbed by screaming school girls at St Joseph’s Catholic College in the marginal Liberal seat of Robertson, held by a margin of 1.1 per cent, who wanted to know how he would embrace the women in his party.

    From the Oz. Bill Shorten’s record on women? Does anyone else see the irony here?

  118. bespoke

    gender neutral CVs in the Commonwealth public service.

    Do it I dare ya!

  119. johanna

    I should add that most of them love it to bits. But, how ironic that a British band of whiteboys had to remind them of their heritage.

    Cultural appropriation, much?

  120. Roger

    gender neutral CVs in the Commonwealth public service.

    Do it I dare ya!

    A purely merit based system for determining who gets an interview?

    That’s a revolutionary notion, Bill.

    Prediction: Quietly dropped should Labor win.

  121. thefrollickingmole

    Theodore just wrote an article describing numbers…
    https://www.takimag.com/article/the-nature-of-the-narcissist/

    When it comes to human conduct, there is no new thing under the sun. The economist John Maynard Keynes was once asked what Lloyd George (then the flamboyant prime minister of Great Britain) thought about when he was on his own. “When Lloyd George is on his own,” he replied, “there is no one there.”

    “When Numbers is on his own,” he replied, “there is no one there.”

  122. Old School Conservative

    Channel Nein advertising its new show about high profile mistakes.
    Pride of place is, of course, Trump standing in front of the Queen at a ceremonial inspection of the guard. Complete with snide comment from presenter.
    If he’s such a doofus, why is the American economy doing so well?

  123. calli

    Shorten had nothing to do with his alleged “dismissal” and was unaware of the controversy until he read about it in the media.

    Yep. Right. Got it.

  124. calli

    Keating put his hand on Her Maj. Horror! 🤣

  125. calli

    Schoolgirls scream for Shorten

    Perhaps they need to be told a cautionary tale about The Senior Labor Figure.

  126. thefrollickingmole

    Just like the chap in this scene.

    The Party Chairman didnt explicitly order his pass revoked and office packed therefore nothing bad happened.
    Teats Shorten didnt order anything done to the chap that showed him up, therefore bears no responsibility for his shafting.

  127. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    gender neutral CVs in the Commonwealth public service.

    candidate A364334 will now be interviewed behind a screen through a vocoder

  128. Eyrie

    “Schoolgirls scream for Shorten”
    He does know they don’t vote, doesn’t he?

  129. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    He grew up in prison and needs help’: Depraved rOpist jailed for his part in the horrific gOng rOpe of two school girls, 16 and 17, begs to be spared jail for supplying $120k worth of ice when he was released

    From the Daily Mail. One of the Skaf brothers happy gang.

  130. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Events unfolded at the port on April 23, when the worker made his off-the-cuff comment to Mr Shorten, who had approached him.

    They ask Bill Shorten to come round during an election campaign, allow him to walk up and meet people, but then fire those who ask the wrong sort of questions? Very thuggish.

    Now it’s public they are offering to reinstate him. What’s the backstory on the fire and re-hire?
    Shorten fingers in this pie?

  131. Des Deskperson

    ‘gender neutral CVs in the Commonwealth public service.’

    Is Shorten unaware of the PM&C study:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-30/bilnd-recruitment-trial-to-improve-gender-equality-failing-study/8664888

    that proved that gender neutral CVs in the APS actually disadvantage women .

    Nadine Flood {CPSU head} needs to get on the phone.

  132. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    “Schoolgirls scream for Shorten”
    He does know they don’t vote, doesn’t he?

    Feed them lies. Catch ’em young, watch ’em grow.
    Then lower the voting age. Sounds like a plan.

  133. Tel

    1. Shorten had nothing to do with his alleged “dismissal” and was unaware of the controversy until he read about it in the media.

    What does the word “leadership” mean when isolated from any responsibility?

    Not a whole lot … it will be exactly the same thing if this guy ever ends up in charge of the country. Whatever goes wrong, he had nothing to do with it and had no idea what was happening. Oh what? Another disaster? Bill Shorten had nothing to do with that either. Remember that business with signing away the overtime … you know … the one he never had nothing to do with. Yeah, you all remember.

  134. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Shorten had nothing to do with his alleged “dismissal” and was unaware of the controversy until he read about it in the media.
    Yep. Right. Got it.

    Oh ok. Sorry for my doubts above. Clearly I was wrong.
    Shorten has cleared it all up.
    Onya, Calli. I’ve got it now too.

  135. Michael Lewis

    Go to the Guido Fawkes link – on the side, and watch Nigel!! England has its Trump.

  136. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Whatever goes wrong, he had nothing to do with it and had no idea what was happening.

    True nuf.
    He’s also got the stunning ability to agree with things he hasn’t even heard if he thinks he orta.
    A duplicitous sycophant.

  137. calli

    Very thuggish.

    This is what tyranny looks like.

    Get used to it.

  138. Michael Lewis

    Will the Shorten blended family include the 1st forgotten set of children?

  139. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    who wanted to know how he would embrace the women in his party.

    I wouldn’t want my daughter to know that.

  140. John Constantine

    The revelation coming from the firing of the bloke that asked the question is how keen the vengeance cartel is to purge and execute dissenters.

    Imagine the lists grasped in sweating lefty scum hands of all the names pencilled in of dissenters to be purged.

    Comrades.

  141. calli

    We need to be good little proles.

    If we misbehave, our businesses will be targetted. And if we no longer own a business, our childrens’ businesses will know all about the New Order of Australia courtesy of ThrowUp and Sleeping Midgets.

    The Hour of the Bugman approaches.

  142. Bruce of Newcastle

    gender neutral CVs in the Commonwealth public service

    They’ll have to replace the CVs with blank pieces of paper. Guys often work their bums off to get ahead whereas ladies tend to have other priorities. So the men have better CVs.

    Maybe Dot’s idea of sortition can be applied to the public service to completely remove any residual chance of merit creeping into the process.

  143. Cassie of Sydney

    “Roger
    #3011412, posted on May 13, 2019 at 4:56 pm
    1735099
    #3011399, posted on May 13, 2019 at 4:42 pm
    who said he did?

    Don’t verbal me.”

    It’s all he ever does…he is such a grub.

  144. DrBeauGan

    Maybe Dot’s idea of sortition can be applied to the public service to completely remove any residual chance of merit creeping into the process.

    They are doing pretty well without that.

  145. thefrollickingmole

    begs to be spared jail for supplying $120k worth of ice when he was released

    What a unflushable turd that family group turned out to be.

  146. The Barking Toad

    “Schoolgirls scream for Shorten”
    He does know they don’t vote, doesn’t he?

    Well he probably thinks Chloe isn’t up to the mark anymore – especially because his tits are bigger than hers

  147. DrBeauGan

    The Hour of the Bugman approaches.

    To be shortly followed by the hour of Heads on Pikes. Thanks Percy for the abbreviation: HoP time.

  148. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    For years, we have underestimated the challenges of mass immigration,” she told them. “Economic policy and foreign policy in Europe have been too liberal. We have failed when it comes to maintaining the social contract, which is the very foundation of the social-democratic social model.
    A nation is for the benefit of its nationals.
    In a sane Australia this would be put about as self evidently obvious.

    I’m waiting to see what happens next Saturday.

    Today I drove slowly by Edgecliff Station on New South Head Road in Sydney’s Wentworth electorate. A mess of greens loons were dancing around there and holding up ‘Honk to Stop Adani’ signs.

    No-one was honking.
    I gave the demo my best thumbs down. 🙂

  149. egg_

    Got a personal email from Tits today inviting me to attend a Vote for Change Rally in Sydney this Thursday.
    No unaccompanied minors?

  150. egg_

    “Schoolgirls scream for Shorten”

    He’s burned his bra?

  151. calli

    Schoolgirls screamed for Rudd too.

    Schoolgirls will scream for any old drongo if suitably primed.

    Because they’re schoolgirls.

  152. Arky

    I had nothing to do with finishing off the whole pack of Tim tams in the fridge.
    It is very unfortunate, and I hope it gets re-instated.
    burp.

  153. Nick

    The SMH had a piece on who will be to blame, Abbott natch, when Labor wins the election. Deluded.

  154. Infidel Tiger

    Daniel Sutton

    Verified account

    @danielsutton10

    More Daniel Sutton Retweeted Network 10 Comms

    What a line up! Christopher Pyne, Kristina Keneally, Sam Dastyari and Trent Zimmerman join Ten’s #ausvotes panel with all our big guns: @hughriminton @vanOnselenP @ChrisBathTV @Sandra_Sully

    Is it actually possible to assemble a worse panel?

  155. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I listen to WS 101.7 (used to be an old Westie station and I do it for ole times sakes). The news they use is of the Fairfax type. They had a ‘news’ item about Kenneally wishing Shorten a Happy Birthday, as the intro to a puff piece of ‘reportage’ quoting Kenneally hoeing into Morrison on education funding. A very free pass to Labor.

    The other day I heard Amanda Keller on the WS breakfast program (she who is married to an ABC producer and who lives expensively in the beach suburb of Coogee miles from the West) spouting off about the Israel Folau matter being simply a matter of breaking a contract, and inviting public comment. The show then played a number of comments that were all in agreement with her (not like the 86% who were not according to surveys). Sheer and utter manipulation by the MSM, as with the Kenneally example above. Keller really annoys me, because she’s a huge pretend Westie, playing the voice of the ‘reasonable unaligned person’ to the swinging electorates out there. At least Kenneally lives in the expensive East and largely stays there (when she’s not bussing around with Bill ‘on location’ as his female shield).

    Meanwhile, the latest Wentworth Courier freebee magazine, full of expensive real-estate, ran a piece on the candidates, where the biggest feature was on their fave, the good Doctor Kerryn Phelps. People were all very keen on her apparently, or at least those they showed were, because people in this electorate are well-off enough to put their efforts in good works, such as tackling climate change and helping refugees.

    Of course they are. Let’s wait and see how much they like Billie Shorten coming for their money.

  156. jupes

    Is it actually possible to assemble a worse panel?

    No.

    Watching that lot would be like Alex going through aversion therapy in A Clockwork Orange.

  157. Michael Lewis

    I live in Wentworth and am trying to think up the best retort to the Greens and GetUp – anti semites and nazis respectively? At least the ALP is what it is. We (and extended family) are Liberal and Senate Molan voters. What are better retorts? I am fully FUELLED on the Climate Change mantra – have followed Climate Audit etc since 2008. In my electorate the BDS aspect of the Greens is known but Kerryn Phelps is a holy person – hopefully some of 1600 voters who put her in will return to the fold.

  158. Nob

    joanna:
    Seeing young black guys who are into music but are puzzled by the blues because they know nothing about it is disturbing.

    Meh.
    Blues was always a Thing White People Like.

    It was only ever a minority black thing , at its biggest for a few years in the 40s/50s, among poor southerners who moved north to Chicago and NYC. Before that it was considered a subset of jazz. The first white bluesman was probably Eddie Lang (Salvatore Massaro), a sophisticated Italian-American guitarist who recorded country blues as “Blind Willie Dunn” with Lonnie Johnson and Texas Alexander in the 1920s & 30s. And then of course white guys Jimmie Rodgers, Bob Wills etc.

    The great doco “Soul to Soul” when blues and R&B artists did concerts in Ghana showed the Ghanaians responded to Wilson Pickett, Ike & Tina Turner etc. They weren’t much interested in blues or even jazz.
    https://www.revolvy.com/page/Soul-to-Soul-%28film%29

  159. Geriatric Mayfly

    Trent Zimmerman join Ten’s #ausvotes panel with all our big guns:

    Pyne to Zimmerman: ‘Is that a gun in your pocket or are you just pleased to see me?’

  160. Win

    Obama trying to talk to the Queen at his first state dinner whilst every one was singing the anthem seems to have been wiped from every ones memories probley because no one was prepared to hold Obama up to ridicule.

  161. Michael Lewis

    What is Wentworth holiness? Being virtuous in desiring social justice (in words) for every “other” group, being extra “progressive” in your chosen religion, not saying a word wrong about a certain country – or barely knowing it exists, supporting every version of gender and sexuality – from A….to….W….to….C, wanting any and every unexpected arrival to be accepted and supported – in Darwin or Blacktown or even Redfern – bit close – or somewhere suitable (not Wentworth) – although it acceptable to ply on’s’ trade for top dollar in one of those lesser areas. What are better attributes?

  162. Empire 5:5

    This author has his dates confused, but at least he’s talkin’ ‘bout The Hammer. You won’t read about it in the fakestream.

    Rosenstein’s order appointing the SC is dated 17 March. Muh Russia was baked long before- at least as early as March 2016 on current open source info, but possibly earlier.

    Deputy Assistant Director of the Counterintelligence Division Peter Strzok and his supposed paramour, FBI lawyer Lisa Page, exchanged a cryptic, indeed coded, text message on Sunday, March 19, 2017, twenty-six minutes after retired U.S. Air Force Four Star General Thomas McInerney read our exclusive “Whistleblower Tapes” exposé over America’s airwaves, revealing “The Hammer.”
    The Hammer is the Stasi-like secret surveillance system created by CIA/NSA/FBI contractor-turned-whistleblower Dennis L. Montgomery for Obama’s intelligence chiefs, CIA Director John Brennan and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper.
    The Hammer, under the Obama administration, negated every American’s constitutional rights to privacy, turning the United States into a police state where the federal government was weaponized by the Obama administration against its political enemies.

    http://theamericanreport.org/2019/05/12/comey-launched-trump-russia-investigation-day-after-general-exposed-the-hammer/

    MadMax alluded to it one day in 2013 when her handler was snoozing:
    https://youtu.be/eIA1lQBqH1s

  163. min

    Went to a soiree, as Mrs Bucket would say, last night with my granddaughter and partner who had the actual invitation. It was for a certain Minister whom I know well enough to get a hug and kiss. He asked her if she was free to help on Saturday she said she would be working. He was very surprised when I told him she was a doctor ( she looks about 16) Anyway in our discussions later she said She had been very impressed with a particular lawyer who is the ministers opponent, when she heard him speak at uni.
    I am glad she is doing Psychiatric rotation at the moment when she will meet seemingly very nice people who are nutty as a Snickers bar.

  164. stackja

    BS Chiquita Mushroom and Cleanevent workers.

  165. Cassie of Sydney

    “Michael Lewis
    #3011485, posted on May 13, 2019 at 7:03 pm
    I live in Wentworth and am trying to think up the best retort to the Greens and GetUp – anti semites and nazis respectively? At least the ALP is what it is. We (and extended family) are Liberal and Senate Molan voters. What are better retorts? I am fully FUELLED on the Climate Change mantra – have followed Climate Audit etc since 2008. In my electorate the BDS aspect of the Greens is known but Kerryn Phelps is a holy person – hopefully some of 1600 voters who put her in will return to the fold.”

    Michael, I too live in Wentworth….there are a few of us here on the Cat. As to dealing with the Greens and GetUp….I just call them out for what they are……Joooo haters (and I am a Joooooo). Last year during the by-election campaign…I confronted the slag Phelps (sorry I am not polite about her, she is a complete phoney and an utter disgrace) and I asked her if she supports the BDS…..she replied briskly….no. So I then asked her why she takes help from a Jooooo hating organisation by the name of GetUp……I kid you not, her answer to me was “I’ll take help from anyone I can”….so I replied then that, given her answer, it would be quite okay for the Liberals to take help from a far-right neo nazi organisation. Because GetUp is the far left version of a neo nazi movement….no question. Phelps didn’t respond to me…she doesn’t like difficult questions…her lips curled….she didn’t like me and I don’t like her.

    I voted last week for Dave Sharma….we Jooos always vote early…now Dave is a nice guy but pretty lightweight but I’ll forgive him for that. We have to get rid of the slag.

    Phelps today was on the Telegraph website answering questions online. What I found interesting…and methinks that she is worried about the election…is that she is now prattling on about how she is “socially progressive but economically conservative”…..BULLDUST. I asked her a question about whether she supports the BDS…she ignored it. Despite what people think…she’s not Jooooish. Anyone with even the slightest drop of Joooiwsh DNA wouldn’t pour cold water on the idea of moving the embassy to Jerusalem….like she did last year during the by-election campaign. She is a fake, a phoney and a very unpleasant person.

  166. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Mohamed Ghanem caught dealing 1kg of ice while on parole wants softer sentence
    Ashleigh Gleeson, The Daily Telegraph
    an hour ago
    Subscriber only

    A Skaf gOng rOpist wants a softer sentence after he was caught dealing almost 1kg of deadly ice while he was out on parole because he has already spent so much time in jail for vile s*xual assaults.

    The request for “special circumstances” was made at the Parramatta District Court sentence hearing for Mohamed Ghanem who as a 17-year-old acted as an “enthusiastic lieutenant” to the abhorrent gang’s ringleader Bilal Skaf in 2000.

    After spending 14 years behind bars for the rOpe of two women in a Greenacre park, Ghanem was released in December 2015.

    But less than two years later he was caught supplying nearly 1kg of the deadly drug ice — which was 80 per cent pure and worth $120,000 — to a man in the Bankstown Motel 10 on the Hume Highway on November 2017.

    His parole was due to expire in 12 months.

    Mohamed Ghanem is calling for a lighter sentence because he has already spent so much time in jail for s*xual assaults

    When police caught up with Ghanem’s alleged buyer — Queensland businessman Hussein Sarhan — he tried to flee but collided with two unmarked police cars which pulled over to stop him in Dundas.

    Ghanem, 35, and Sarhan, 51, sat beside each other in the dock on Monday after pleading guilty to large commercial supply of ice.

    A third man, Kamal ElJamal, 29, who was best friends in high school with Ghanem’s younger brother, is also facing the possibility of life behind bars after also admitting to the same charge.

    The court heard that Ghanem acted as a “facilitator” for the deal, ElJamal drove the drugs in his family’s perfume business vehicle to the motel where the deal was carried out and Sarhan received the drugs.

    Ghanem’s lawyer Avni Djemal said that his client should be considered for “special circumstances” because he had already spent so much time in jail and needed extra assistance adjusting to life on the outside.

    “There’s a nuance here with this particular matter that some leniency would be beneficial overall because he just needs the extra help,” he said.

    What’s the old joke about the rooster who murdered his parents, then pleaded for mercy because he was an orphan?

  167. Empire 5:5

    Pride of place is, of course, Trump standing in front of the Queen at a ceremonial inspection of the guard.

    In fairness to Liz, she’s 20 years older and was carrying his clubs. You can’t reasonably expect her keep up.
    https://i.imgflip.com/2e6094.jpg

  168. Nick

    Obama trying to talk to the Queen at his first state dinner whilst every one was singing the anthem seems to have been wiped from every ones memories probley because no one was prepared to hold Obama up to ridicule.

    As is signing the guest book at Westminster Abbey, with the wrong year….

  169. Nick

    Michelle Obama hugging the Queen

  170. Michael Lewis

    Cassie of Sydney. I’m a card carrying J and Z. Haven’t voted early because I enjoy the polling booth fun. I spent many years handing out “how to votes” until I became disillusioned with MT (very quickly) and with GU – politically – not personally – and too old to stand for any length of time.

  171. calli

    is that she is now prattling on about how she is “socially progressive but economically conservative

    Kerryn Rudd.

    They’re so innovative and original. And such barefaced liars.

  172. GoTiges

    I know that there are some Led Zep haters here (I’m looking at you, C.L.) but the fact is that the music business makes bootleg booze look like a children’s tea party.

    I’m not a Led Zep hater, but only occasional small doses for me. This is the best version of When the levee breaks ever. And the lead guitarist is hawt.

  173. JC

    I voted last week for Dave Sharma….we Jooos always vote early…now Dave is a nice guy but pretty lightweight but I’ll forgive him for that. We have to get rid of the slag.

    ‘sactly. Us Jooos have to stick together and vote early.

  174. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Sorry, momentary inattention up there. Kenneally was wishing Morrison a Happy Birthday, not Shorten.
    My point was: imagine wishing someone Happy Birthday and in the very next breath ripping them to shreds for your own personal gain. Speaks volumes about Kenneally’s malice and spite.

    What awful people these are, whom the country is 50% or more in favour of voting as our rulers.

  175. Cassie of Sydney

    “Speaks volumes about Kenneally’s malice and spite.”

    She is the queen of malice and spite…..always has been.

  176. Roger

    I know that there are some Led Zep haters here…

    Not at all…Led Zep were the greatest covers band ever.

    If only they hadn’t put their own names to all those borrowed tunes.

  177. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I’ll be voting for Sharma too. It’s just gotta be done, like taking your medicine.
    And the Aust Cons in the Senate.

    Phelps must be a bit desperate. This morning near Edgecliff Station I did a double-take, as I also noticed a poster with Malcolm Turnbull’s face on it – otherwise an exact replica of Sharma’s poster. The message under was ‘Remember what happened to this man’, or something similar, can’t recall exactly. Get Up inspired I think. They are trying to get the Wentworth Liberal voters to get cross again about Malcolm. I don’t think it will work. Malcolm’s vindictiveness has been just too petty and nasty. He’s done now.

  178. Roger

    “Schoolgirls scream for Shorten”
    He does know they don’t vote, doesn’t he?

    Yes, but he’s planning to change that.

  179. Geriatric Mayfly

    Ben Tish’s pistachio tart
    TWAM 11 MAY 2019
    I like to use super-green Iranian pistachios, not only for their vibrant colour but also for their fresh, sweet flavour.
    From The Oz.

    Wonder if The Trumpinator knows about this. Sanctions being flouted.

  180. Eddystone

    “Schoolgirls scream for Shorten”

    They screamed for Paul Keating too, then he lost the election.

  181. Spider

    Holy crap. The Drum going into melt down on climate change. Friends not having children because of climate change. They’re lying in bed scared. Mental illness.

    The whole panel freaking out. It’s hysteria of epic proportions.

  182. Cassie of Sydney

    “Get Up inspired I think.”

    Not inspired…..produced by GetUp… I have no doubts she’s getting help from GetUp like she did last year when the electorate was swamped with GetUp muck. However this year GetUp aren’t out in force in Wentworth…they are a bit thin on the ground…their focusing their resources in Warringah. But you’re right…Phelps is getting a bit desperate…..she not smirking like she was last year.

  183. stackja

    GoTiges
    #3011501, posted on May 13, 2019 at 7:41 pm

    To me vocals are weak. Rest OK.
    And:

    Memphis Minnie

    “When the Levee Breaks” is a country blues song written and first recorded by Kansas Joe McCoy and Memphis Minnie in 1929.

    Listen to “When the Levee Breaks” at the “Internet Archive” (archive.org)

  184. Chris

    Holy crap. The Drum going into melt down on climate change. Friends not having children because of climate change. They’re lying in bed scared. Mental illness.

    The whole panel freaking out. It’s hysteria of epic proportions.

    Teh Dum?
    Sad!

  185. Cassie of Sydney

    In the senate I voted under the line…first and second went to AC and third went to Molan.

  186. stackja

    Spider
    #3011511, posted on May 13, 2019 at 7:56 pm

    The War of the Worlds panic was a myth
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk › Culture › Radio › What to listen to
    The story that mass panic broke out because of an Orson Welles radio show became part of modern folklore. The idea that hysteria swept America on October …

  187. Cassie of Sydney

    “Geriatric Mayfly
    #3011509, posted on May 13, 2019 at 7:55 pm
    Ben Tish’s pistachio tart
    TWAM 11 MAY 2019
    I like to use super-green Iranian pistachios, not only for their vibrant colour but also for their fresh, sweet flavour. From The Oz.

    Wonder if The Trumpinator knows about this. Sanctions being flouted.”

    I read that recipe and cut it out. I am planning to make that pistachio tart to take to a dear friend’s for an election night soiree this Saturday night.

  188. Old School Conservative

    Daily Telegraph is reporting that the tribunal persecuting (sorry, s/b investigating) Israel Folau will hand down a unanimous decision to terminate his contract.

    How can his own representative on the tribunal (the Rugby Union Players Association) vote for such a travesty?

    Give me strength.

    Actually, give Israel strength.

  189. Nob

    Pistachios are still sanctioned by US, from Obama. Nowt to do wi’ Trump.

    On June 24, 2010, the United States Senate and House of Representatives passed the Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act of 2010 (CISADA), which President Obama signed into law July 1, 2010. The CISADA greatly enhanced restrictions in Iran. Such restrictions included the rescission of the authorization for Iranian-origin imports for articles such as rugs, pistachios, and caviar. In response, President Obama issued Executive Order 13553 in September 2010 and Executive Order 13574 in May 2011, and Executive Order 13590 in November 2011.

    Australian sanctions are mostly about nuclear. Australia is bravely refusing to supply Iran with its fantastic nuclear weapons expertise. And uranium.

  190. Spider

    The youngest Z generation representative on The Drum is terrified of Climate Change. Yes terrified.

    Twelve years being daily inculcated by teachers in the Greens end is nye pessimist religion ultimately has an effect. Now that is a tragedy. No wonder they list Mental Health as their number 2 concern.

  191. Nob

    Spider
    #3011511, posted on May 13, 2019 at 7:56 pm
    Friends not having children because of climate change

    Love it.
    Let them all stop breeding, ensuring a dead end for this “growing movement”.
    Extinction Rebellion, but not in the way they imagine.

  192. Roger

    How can his own representative on the tribunal (the Rugby Union Players Association) vote for such a travesty?

    Apparently he’s “lost the dressing room”, osc.

    The Wallabies evidently don’t understand the notion of inalienable human rights, including freedom of religion and speech.

    Not to worry, it will all come apart when it goes to a real court and Israel can contemplate playing for Tonga at the next world cup.

  193. candy

    The Get-Up thing is a really interesting thing about this election. For the first time they seem to have almost came of the dark shadows they live in and every effort is about “getting Tony Abbott out” as they put it.

    So much money and energy directed to one goal. My opinion is that the Turnbull’s money is behind it.
    As an offshoot Malcolm Turnbull could not attend the LNP launch because how embarrassing to have a son trying to destroy the party and sit next to everyone. Can’t be done. It’s very dysfunctional. His son is not balanced about the situation. It must be worrying to his parents, their son’s state of mind.

  194. Cassie of Sydney

    “Actually, give Israel strength.”

    Yes, Israel the man and Israel the country.

  195. GoTiges

    When the Levee Breaks” is a country blues song written and first recorded by Kansas Joe McCoy and Memphis Minnie in 1929.

    Thanks stackja I never knew that. Led Zeppelin really were a cover band.

    Agree about the lead singer chick in Zepparella . I think fitness might have been a factor, she started off okay but the harmonica took it out of her and she got weaker the longer the song went on.

  196. Cassie of Sydney

    I think that GetUp may well have overplayed their hand this election….they’ve certainly been exposed for the nasty, venal far left loons and goons that they are. And I do think that Advance Australia have helped…..for too long we on the right have sat back and allowed the left and organisations such as a GetUP space to run amok without any push back.

  197. stackja

    The Associated Press
    ‏Verified account
    AP
    The Latest: Swedish prosecutors reopen [email protected] case against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange and seek his extradition after he serves his prison term in the U.K.

  198. Nob

    Spider
    #3011521, posted on May 13, 2019 at 8:08 pm
    The youngest Z generation…… Mental Health

    “Mental Health” is the catchphrase of 2018, some still catching up in 2019.

    It’s just another “give us your money” meme for vacuous planks. They don’t care about mental health, only Mental Health.
    Like they don’t care about science, only The Science.

    An early peak of Mental Health inanity last year was some idiot Fairfax journalist tweeting when Sisto from Pellegrinis was murdered in broad daylight, “need more resources for Mental Health”

  199. stackja

    GoTiges
    #3011526, posted on May 13, 2019 at 8:13 pm

    LZ did cover Levee. I believe other LZ songs were Page and Plant.

  200. Frank

    Obama trying to talk to the Queen at his first state dinner whilst every one was singing the anthem seems to have been wiped from every ones memories probley because no one was prepared to hold Obama up to ridicule.

    Sending the queen an iPod loaded with your speeches by way of an introduction is hard to beat in the self beclownment stakes.

  201. Infidel Tiger

    I voted last week for Dave Sharma….we Jooos always vote early…now Dave is a nice guy but pretty lightweight but I’ll forgive him for that. We have to get rid of the slag.

    You should be voting on Election Day like a normal Australian.

    It is the chief fund raising day for the nation’s primary schools.

    Only leaners and moochers vote early without a valid excuse like serving in the military or in an emergency department.

  202. stackja

    IT – Many aged care residents voted last week.

  203. Infidel Tiger

    IT – Many aged care residents voted last week.

    Acceptable if they are infirm.

  204. Cassie of Sydney

    “Only leaners and moochers vote early without a valid excuse like serving in the military or in an emergency department.”

    Umm, no…we Joooos vote early because elections in Australia are always on the Sabbath.

  205. Helen

    Ros, you need to change your profile.

  206. Frank

    What of the outlaws that decline to vote? Where do they feature on the hierarchy of moochers and reprobates?

  207. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    “. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill.”

    I’ve got a sweatshirt with that quote stenciled on it – I’m wearing it down to vote. Nearly got into a fight with one of the Labor supporters last time.

  208. Leigh Lowe

    Only leaners and moochers vote early without a valid excuse like serving in the military or in an emergency department.

    Or being dead, but with an eternal urge to vote ALP from beyond the grave.

  209. Infidel Tiger

    What of the outlaws that decline to vote? Where do they feature on the hierarchy of moochers and reprobates?

    They should still attend a local primary school, buy a vanilla slice and contemplate the denizens walking in to the booths and the decisions they are making for them.

  210. Leigh Lowe

    “Schoolgirls scream for Shorten”
    He does know they don’t vote, doesn’t he?

    I know one that screamed 30 years ago at an Young Labor camp.
    No-one heard.

  211. Frank

    That sounds pretty depressing.

  212. Geriatric Mayfly

    Such restrictions included the rescission of the authorization for Iranian-origin imports for articles such as rugs, pistachios, and

    Thanks for the update Nob. I put it up as a bit of light humour; knowing full well that sanctions applied to bolts, but never thinking the nuts would be snared as well.

  213. Leigh Lowe

    Obama trying to talk to the Queen at his first state dinner whilst every one was singing the anthem seems to have been wiped from every ones memories probley because no one was prepared to hold Obama up to ridicule.

    As is signing the guest book at Westminster Abbey, with the wrong year….

    Probably trying to create an alibi for some shit he done the previous year.
    Maybe in the South American country of Columbia.
    .
    Colombia.

  214. Ubique

    Only leaners and moochers vote early without a valid excuse like serving in the military or in an emergency department.

    IT’s ability to succinctly express what we all know to be true never wanes.

  215. Geriatric Mayfly

    Sending the queen an iPod loaded with your speeches by way of an introduction is hard to beat in the self beclownment stakes.

    The soaring oratory cannot be easily dismissed. HM is unlikely to have ever heard the likes in her long and glorious life.

  216. Infidel Tiger

    That sounds pretty depressing.

    Everyone dies.

  217. Frank

    Everyone dies.

    Including your mother and father.
    Six year olds love that one.

  218. Done Deal

    He didn’t speak to the media, he asked the Leader of the Opposition if his party’s policies would support him while Tits was wandering through and touting for votes.

    More than anything else it shows how shit scared Dumb-Heads’ minders are of him getting asked something he hasn’t been prepped for.
    Like when he stares off into space for a while and comes up with something like….umm it takes about 8 minutes to re-charge an EV.
    The mind boggles how he will go at the dispatch box for questions without notice. I see echoes of Rudd being given temporary charge pending Gillard’s ascension to throne. He can only be sheltered from the world for so long
    He should be very wary of Smirking Plebbers & Steel Eye “2 Wrongs don’t make a heteronormative couple”. The first chance either of them gets a chance, he’ll be gone.
    Plebbers will have the SJW woke crowd, 2 Wrongs will have the rainbows & the soon to be greatly inflated WeChat cohort. All bonehead will have is a rapidly dwindling union movement to back him up. My money’s on 2 Wrongs

  219. Leigh Lowe

    Sending the queen an iPod loaded with your speeches by way of an introduction is hard to beat in the self beclownment stakes.

    A less gracious person might have returned serve with a collection of Winston’s speeches … with a reminder that she was on the throne when Winston was PM, and Dwight Eisenhower was US President.

  220. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    “Schoolgirls scream for Shorten”

    it’s not serious until they start throwing undies

  221. calli

    Reminds me of this.

    Little Queenie, you go girl!

  222. Leigh Lowe

    calli

    #3011469, posted on May 13, 2019 at 6:37 pm

    Schoolgirls screamed for Rudd too.

    Schoolgirls will scream for any old drongo if suitably primed.

    Because they’re schoolgirls.

    Hope is sparked deep in my soul.

  223. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    A less gracious person might have returned serve with a collection of Winston’s speeches … with a reminder that she was on the throne when Winston was PM, and Dwight Eisenhower was US President.

    Churchill, dining with the Queen, proposed the loyal toast “a toast, which I first drank, in a cavalry mess, during the reign of your great great grandmother.”

  224. Bruce in WA

    Schoolgirls scream for Shorten?

    Really?

    “Give me a girl at an impressionable age and she is mine for life.”
    ― Muriel Spark, The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie

  225. Steve trickler

    These spectacular Big Boys have been captured in glorious vision and sound. A couple of restored steam locomotives….these things are beasts.



  226. mh

    What a line up! Christopher Pyne, Kristina Keneally, Sam Dastyari and Trent Zimmerman join Ten’s #ausvotes panel with all our big guns: @hughriminton @vanOnselenP @ChrisBathTV @Sandra_Sully

    The most un Australian and gayest tv line up ever assembled.

    And they wonder how they went bust.

  227. mh

    Gayer than Eurovision for sure.

  228. Steve trickler

    Are we looking at diesel or gas fueled steam locomotives?

    I reckon gas.

  229. Bruce in WA

    Are we looking at diesel or gas fueled steam locomotives?

    I reckon gas.

    On the cruise we just finished, captain spent quite a bit of time telling us about the new LNG cruise ships being built.

  230. Crossie

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    #3011560, posted on May 13, 2019 at 9:08 pm
    “Schoolgirls scream for Shorten”

    it’s not serious until they start throwing undies

    Let’s see, is he Elvis, Tom Jones or Engelbert Humperdinck?

    Or Pee Wee Herman?

  231. Not Uh oh

    The only thing of interest to me in this election is who will be leading the Labor opposition next Sunday. The cat-fight should be something to behold.

  232. Peter Castieau

    Day 16 of the campaign and day 12 of pre-poll.

    I started early and emailed maps to Alan who is doing great work for AC in WA. Pre-poll has become huge as the graph illustrates. I saw Lee’s post earlier and its up 75% on last year. There were several periods today when I was running solo and it was madness.

    When I arrived at pre-poll I knew something was up with young Tyler from One nation all dressed up. Then another candidate Angus Young arrived too! Once I scoped out the car park is was clear to me that Pauline Hanson was the big surprise.

    Then Senator Peter Georgiou arrived and refused a selfie citing my tweets. Bit nasty don’t ya think?

    And then the star of the show Pauline!

    She had a long chat with 2 Greens volunteers. I didn’t ask Pauline for a selfie given her last exchange with Cory was pretty heated. The lovely Diana from the blue team kindly took this photo of me.

    Then Pauline’s chief of staff James Ashby appeared. Remember he’s currently banned from entering parliament because of his behaviour. Then right on cue the village idiot arrived….you couldn’t make this up.

    Later I met this lady who had exited the booth and she was riding a very expensive bicycle with all the right headwear too. She told me that for the first time in her life she had voted Liberal.

    The car of the day was this Maloo 6.2l supercharged ute. Nice. The Peugeot RCZ Coupe and this 3 wheeler motorbike were nice too! And then for the first time at this booth a photo of Bill Shorten! Seriously this is the first time I have seen a picture of Bill on Labor material.

    At presicely the right moment Lee arrived and this allowed me to get to the local lunch bar for a bite to eat. Thanks Lee.

    The another lady Jo who is a friend of Edna declared she had voted for us too!

    I left the booth at 3.45, went to the local hardware store, bought double sided tape and good glue. I then went and kitted up Mike and Rita who are doing Sorrento for us on polling day.

    I made two A-Frames using the very last of the spare bases I had left and put them outside to dry.

    Rogan Josh for dinner.

  233. Crossie

    On the cruise we just finished, captain spent quite a bit of time telling us about the new LNG cruise ships being built.

    I don’t care what our cruise ship runs on as long as it gets us from port to port without the help of helicopters to evacuate stranded passengers a la the Viking Sun.

  234. John Constantine

    Advocates for lab-grown meat say that beyond helping fight climate change, it will also improve animal welfare and shake up our food production system. But there is a problem with cellular agriculture—another name for lab-grown meat—that the cheerleaders don’t seem to be talking about. In key ways, lab-grown meat is built on the same foundational logics of our current industrial food system. As a result, it’s firmly on the road to replicating many of the challenges that it claims it will address, and in the process risks making a food future that is worse, rather than better, for eaters.

    Let’s say that through scientific research and technological innovation, industrial food producers can make foods that act like preventative medicine, prolonging health and staving off impending ills. If so, this is great for shareholders: These functional foods come with a higher price tag. It’s great for eaters with the money necessary to bring these foods into their daily diet. But it’s detrimental to those on limited budgets, those who live in rural or urban food deserts, or those unaware that such edible health interventions exist. Indeed, the presence of these foods on the market—with their carefully engineered extraction and concentration of ingredients understood as having significant impact on health—reinforces the idea that access to healthful eating requires going through the technological and scientific expertise found in the industrial food laboratory. That logic that continues to undergird foods that appear “whole” at face value such as the Kuli Kuli bar or more tongue-in-cheek Nonbar. Unable to access the techniques, ingredients, and technologies that allow the creation of such foods, a large swath of humanity is excluded from the ability to produce the types of foods that are advertised as allowing them and their children to be healthier and live longer. This move not only perpetuates an already unequal access to health care and services, it promotes the erasure of traditional food ways in favor of an industrialized diet high in processed foods.

    Cellular agriculture doesn’t make the same health-related claims as functional foods. But it operates on the same assumptions: that you have to go through the industrial research and production assemblage to access this “clean,” environmentally friendly meat. There, in the lab, we find molecular reductionism hard at work as researchers seek to understand how to get animal protein cells to grow in spaces foreign to their being. We find molecular reductionism driving investigation into how to replace the animal-based serums critical to cellular growth so the product can live up to its “animal-free” label. We find the same far-flung supply chains and base materials that rely on petrochemical extraction. And we see once again a divide between who can even produce these foods, let alone get access to them.

    experience a third logic that both lab-grown and industrially produced meat relies upon, that of disrupting (or obfuscating) what geographer John Law and anthropologist Annemarie Mol refer to as the metabolic intimacy between humans and the animals we eat.

    Rather than take a careful look at our own tastes and desires and how they tie us into larger systems of inclusion and exclusion, lab-grown meat as currently constituted offers a cotton-candy bedtime story about making a different world through food. Unfortunately, unless the logics underlying its production change, cellular agriculture is going to give us the same fluff we already have.

  235. John Constantine

    Replacing Metabolic Intimacy between people and the food animals they eat, with an Industrial Anxiety and replacing soil and sun and rainfall created cornucopia food with a heavily processed machine extruded ration.

    When shorten controls who eats and shorten controls how much you eat, no chubbies will be asking any hard questions.

    Rationing doesn’t mean life and death, unless you are on a list as a dissenter.

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