Interesting opinions on the election

First up one of the most sensible things you’ll read about the 2019 election from Waleed Aly.

The coalition contrived to run without a significant policy agenda beyond offering tax cuts. Overwhelmingly, its campaign was a negative one, attacking Labor’s platform as reckless and anti-aspirational. But this wasn’t a populist message, either. In fact it’s a message of contentedness and caution. Its fundamental assumption is that broadly speaking, the system works fine: Trickle-down economics brings prosperity, and to the extent things could be better, such as wages, the answer is patience and more of the same. Labor couldn’t be trusted precisely because it wanted to shake things up.

That this argument delivered the coalition a stunning victory in what appeared to be an unwinnable election does not represent some new Australian political logic. Rather, it follows a well-established tradition and conventional wisdom: The Australian electorate is averse to big change.

Even so, the fact that Labor’s narrative of “fairness” failed before the coalition’s story of “aspiration” suggests Australia has not called time on neoliberalism in the way that voters elsewhere seem ready to. Certainly there is disillusionment, evidenced by a record vote for minor parties and independents. But ultimately, 27 years of economic growth and only six years of wage stagnation (rather than the decades of it in the United States) mean that while skepticism of the corporate world and trepidation about the economy exists, Australia isn’t prepared to experiment with its economic formula just yet. Australians may not be entirely happy with the status quo, but they are clearly still prepared to vote for it.

Read the whole thing – it is very good.

Then Sam Dastyari:

The Labor Party lost the election because the Australian public didn’t like our policies and we ran a poor campaign.

It’s that simple.

But the fundamental reality Labor needs to face is this: the Australian public had a good look at what we put forward and said they didn’t want it.

That’s a brutal lesson.

Some serious plain talking there.

I did particularly enjoy this line:

I supported that agenda. I agreed with it wholeheartedly. I also — it now turns out — am in the minority. I’m a teetotaling (but boy was that tested this weekend), inner-city, non-practicing Muslim vegan. Hard to believe that I might be out of touch.

I, too, am non-practising vegan.

Jacob Greber at the AFR:

Morrison campaigned hard and against the odds to win an unlikely victory – not unlike Trump’s path to the White House through once impenetrable Democrat rust-belt strongholds. Or Brexit.

But it’s a lazy comparison that quickly runs out of steam.

Morrison is no Trump. He’s not a disrupter; he isn’t seeking to tear down institutions like the Reserve Bank of Australia; he’s no fan of the patently false idea that “tariff wars are easy to win”; he’s avoided blowing up the budget to deliver outrageous unfunded promises to a credulous public.

Australians voted for Morrison because they feared change. Americans voted for Trump because they were sick of the status quo.

Adam Creighton in the Australian:

In February I bet on the Coalition winning the election (four figures, since you ask).

Colleagues laughed, but Labor’s sudden assault on the government’s biggest success — deterring boat arrivals — seemed political madness. Describing the defeat over the so-called medevac bill as a historic loss was laughable. It was the beginning of the end for Labor.

Not one of Labor’s policies would have helped lift sagging productivity growth, which is what underpins living standards. A slew of income tax increases (in an already heavily taxed economy) and wasteful spending would have been a double whammy, deterring economic activity on the revenue side while wasting the additional revenue on the ­expenditure side.

Labor should dump these policies, alongside its tiresome lie that the government has been cutting funding to health and education.

This is an insult to people who believe words have meaning. Expenditures on health and education are growing faster than inflation, faster than the population, without clear improvements in quality.

“Tiresome lie” – that is a strong condemnation of the ALP.

Miranda Devine at the Daily Tele:

Warringah was lost because Liberal voters executed a one-time only surgical strike against an MP they perceived to be a danger to the Liberal Party. “Quiet Australians”, as Scott Morrison referred to them on election night, opted for a mercy killing. No malice involved.

The most conservative Liberal booths swung hard against Abbott. Mosman booths which had voted as much as 65 per cent for him in 2016, delivered a primary vote less than 40 per cent on Saturday. These are people who have voted for Abbott time and again, but they felt he had gone rogue. They hadn’t given him a mandate to destroy the party, bring down a Liberal government and deliver Australia to Bill Shorten.

That’s exactly correct. Abbott should have retired from politics. It isn’t a case of being a quitter – it’s a case of what more did he have to offer as an MP. Short answer – nothing. He can still do all the community and volunteering work that he does. None of that is reliant upon him being in the Parliament.

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129 Responses to Interesting opinions on the election

  1. stackja

    . It isn’t a case of being a quitter – it’s a case of what more did he have to offer as an MP. Short answer – nothing.

    TA was the reason MT quit. With MT out, Scomo campaigned with innovative agility, which MT didn’t. ALP expected MT to be their opponent and didn’t prepare properly. ScoMo got them!

  2. Indolent

    The reason GetUp etc. campaigned so ferociously against Abbott was that they expected Labor to win and were determined to get rid of the one person who could seriously damage them in government. They also wanted to get rid of all the other Liberal conservatives so that it would end up just a pale imitation of Labor. The fact that so much fire power was concentrated in one seat may well have helped Morrison.

    Abbott mentioned it in his excellent farewell speech, and there was a confirmatory map in the Telegraph yesterday showing how Labor’s vote went up in the wealthier coastal seats and uniformly went down out west. Yes, they succeeded in getting him out but what a pyrrhic victory it was. It’s Labor which will now have to work out who they are and what they stand for.

  3. Hamish Marshall

    Sinc, for God’s sake, stick to economics!! Without TA staying on, Peter Dutton might not have been able to mount a challenge to Turnbull, and in that circumstance, we would now have a DiNatale Shorten Coalition government and be only 6 years away from Venzuela. Real world Sinc, real world!

  4. Abbott was the best thing ever for the Liberals. After being stabbed in the back by Australia’s Biggest Loser and his retinue of tossers. he lived rent free in that loser’s and the tossers’ minds, and that of the stupid media, until they all imploded. Without Abbott, Australia’s Biggest Loser would still have been the bastard PM with his tossers in tow and lost this election.

  5. Makka

    Aussies looked at the slimey faces of the Socialists, listened to their anti-aspirational ranting and the big fk u to retirees and the many millions who see retirement now on the horizon, remembered the chaos and waste of that other Labor crowd promising the world under Rudd , Garrett’s ” we’ll change everything” and above all Dodgy Bill’s smarmy insincerity and said – Nah ah. Don’t believe you, don’t trust you.

    In the end, the electorate’s distrust of Bill couldn’t be overcome. Not even with Labor’s big redistribution agenda. Labor’s own structure of selecting leaders based on affiliations with dodgy Union factions delivered Bill and therefore defeat. Looks like they are doing it again. Go Albo!

  6. cuckoo

    A slew of income tax increases (in an already heavily taxed economy)

    But I have it on the authority of Barrie Cassidy, no less, that any reference to the ALP’s tax policies was a “lie” and a “scare campaign”.

  7. Indolent

    TA was the reason MT quit.

    What makes you say that? Turnbull quit because he lost all authority after calling for a leadership vote and then lost out in the second vote. I’m certainly not complaining that he went (in fact I was jumping for joy) but what did Abbott have to do with it?

  8. One would hope that Sinc’s economic credentials are better than his political credentials. He’s managed to get everything wrong for the past six years.

  9. Makka

    Hamish is right. Abbott’s party room influence more than anything else got us rid of Turdball. Mission accomplished Tony , thanks. Now, it is time for you to go. You would just do more harm than good.

    You had your chance and blew it big time but your accomplishments in helping remove Turdball has restored some goodwill.

  10. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Trickle-down economics brings prosperity

    hard work & insight & persistence brings prosperity you small mo ha ma den

  11. Jef

    I was tempted to vote Labor since when Turnbull stole the job from Abbott and supported by a gang of other traitors in the Party , most notably Julie Bishop, but when I saw the appearance of Juliar and K.Rudd on the scene thinking they could help gain some votes for Labor, it wasn’t hard for me to vote for S. Morrison.

  12. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Labor couldn’t be trusted precisely because it wanted to shake things uptax the eyeballs out of seniors.

    covfefe!

  13. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The reason GetUp etc. campaigned so ferociously against Abbott

    let’s not underestimate the stupid factor, these morons are so in love with their own brilliance….

  14. Notafan

    When did dastyari go teetotal?

    Nevertheless he’s right, Australia looked at Labour’s policies and did not like them, because they’re not stupid.

    Waleed is not an economist, his insight is both pedestrian and wrong.

    Because no-one, no-one could possibly argue that making climate change your number one priority could have any possible economic benefit for Australians, let alone tax and spend which is socialism on stilts.

    Neither childcare nor education nor health need billions more thrown at them.

    On the contrary, tertiary education needs to be pared back because far too many people are doing useless degrees that do not lead to jobs in the genuine private sector. Modest copayments for GP and ancillary services would free far more money up for hospitals and childcare is simply a joke as Judith Sloan has pointed out many times.

    As for the nonsensical not a real thing trickle down economics, what what is really stymieing Australia’s economy is the high cost of energy and the ludicous bans on mining, exploration and land clearing and other things that are a sop to the incredibly poorly formed consciences of the people who aren’t directly affected by them, sitting at the inner city cafes tell everybody else what to think and do

  15. Notafan

    Turnbull spit the dummy it’s a simple as that.

    if he couldn’t be the smartest most important person in the room he wasn’t going to be in the room.

  16. mh

    Wally, Dastyari, Miranda Devine.

    That’s who I turn to when I want to understand the political story of the day.

  17. Notafan

    As for the no malice against Abbott really come on is this moron on Twitter, does he ever look at political cartoons?

    as someone on the open forum suggested a couple of days ago if Tony Abbott was in outer suburban liberal seat he would have won hands down, Warringah is typical of the latte set, his support of Cardinal Pell, his personal position on same sex marriage and climate change Is what sealed his fate in latte land

  18. Iain Russell

    I’m a non practising teetotaler.

  19. calli

    Abbott should have retired from politics.

    I disagree, Doomy. And I think history will put a slightly different slant on his post-PM tenacity.

    Without Abbott, Turnbull would still be maliciously faffing about within the fold, rather than faffing about on the outside. And Labor would have won this election comfortably.

    Steggal, like Maxine, will be a one-term wonder. GetUp put all its eggs in that particular basket – the obscenities, the vandalism and Blackshirting in a conservative seat will not be forgotten any time soon. I suspect buyer’s regret is already starting to appear.

  20. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Labor couldn’t be trusted precisely because it wanted to shake things uptax the eyebolls out of seniors.

    covfefe!

  21. Notafan

    MH

    Exactly.

    What Waleed typically produces are word salads, he knows all the big words, logic and reason are his downfalls.

    He has no insight, nor is he a teller of truth.

    I mean this is the man the told Australia he couldn’t afford to buy a house (when what he meant is he couldn’t afford one in expensive riverside Richmond) accept he already had one, a few kilometres further out east and then he did buy one in Richmond anyhow, for a couple of million.

    I do recall the talk of him being a future prime minister, good luck with that.

  22. Makka

    Without Abbott, Turnbull would still be maliciously faffing about within the fold, rather than faffing about on the outside.

    Sinc is still smarting from such an atrocious call. Potentially the greatest, right?

  23. pbw

    Miranda Devine called everyone who was horrified by the Turnbull putsch a delcon. TA was gone and good riddance. Everybody must gather in the Malcon tent. Sinc is still pining for Australia’s greatest potential PM. So they now read the entrails, throw the bones, and consult the ghost of campaigns lost, and – what do you know! – they were sort of right, along with their good mate, the unsavvy Nikki. What a relief. They weren’t completely clueless after all.

  24. The BigBlueCat

    Indolent
    #3022399, posted on May 22, 2019 at 12:09 pm
    TA was the reason MT quit.

    What makes you say that? Turnbull quit because he lost all authority after calling for a leadership vote and then lost out in the second vote. I’m certainly not complaining that he went (in fact I was jumping for joy) but what did Abbott have to do with it?

    MT saw the writing on the wall, resigned his position as PM and didn’t contest the ballot that Morrison ended up winning. It’s true that Dutton and others prompted all this, but ScoMo and others backed MT until MT decided he was going anyway. MT was never a true liberal – he and his acolytes are leftist AGW spruikers who demand to spend OPM on something that is plant food.

    I hope that now ScoMo has a clear majority in the lower house, and possibly a working control of the Senate, we will see a return by the Liberals to their traditional values.

    I’ve been watching the saved live streams of the election telecasts from 7, 9 and the ABC. The ABC is hilarious (more like a funeral), and listening to Ed Husic on 9 he was complaining about ScoMo’s successful strategy of not having his cabinet join him on the hustings (the fact was they had their own local battles to win). Ed, you are hilarious. And of course, Bowen on 7 is an absolute joke, and as the author of the Labor tax policies he must now realise 2 thirds of Australia have raised their middle finger to him … and he wants to be ALP leader …. wow!

    Waleed Aly (Wally) was totally out of touch with the election predicting an ALP win of 81 seats. Alan Jones and Jeff Kennet were the only ones who did any analysis and correctly predicted the outcome. Why should we ever listen to Labor or Wally ever again – their political judgment is faulty.

    With TA now gone, I think you will see a different Liberal party, and won’t be so far to the right. That doesn’t mean they will be socialists, but properly centre-right.

  25. Karabar

    There is a lot of nonsense involved in this.
    TA was never a “disruptor”.
    The Liberal brand was hijacked by the Left in the form of Turncoat, Bishop, and Pyne, as well as others. They were the “disruptors” and thank God they are gone. Good riddance.
    I can hardly wait until the pressure comes on old Bishop once the declassification reveals the role played in the plot to undertake a coup in the USA.

  26. The BigBlueCat

    And to add – I agree with others that Zali Steggall will be a one-term wonder (if she lasts that long). If climate change really is the issue they care about, they should take it good and hard. Wind farms, solar farms, power outages, restricted petrol-engined vehicles – the whole business – should be inflicted on Warringah. They want it – they should get it.

  27. calli

    I don’t think TA was particularly “far Right”.

    Be careful adopting labels concocted by the media and lefty urgers.

    He’s just a garden variety Conservative in a landscape that has shifted towards socialism.

  28. TLD

    Waleed’s article can be basically be summed with the meme: “Could I be wrong? No; it’s the electorate that’s wrong.” He should go to NZ. If you think he’s any good you can follow him; Sunc.

  29. Tim Neilson

    As for the nonsensical not a real thing trickle down economics,

    Good call.

    Art Laffer inspired repair of the tax system results in entrepreneurs being willing to borrow and to invest money and effort to start businesses.
    The first people to benefit are the people the entrepreneurs hire i.e. ordinary workers.
    The entrepreneur is actually last in the queue to benefit. It isn’t “trickle down” at all.

  30. Wankeed Aly says…

    The Australian electorate is averse to big change.

    Which is another way of saying the Australian electorate is CONSERVATIVE.
    But it’s not is it? Barely 40% voted for the coalition. Hardly makes the Australian electorate a conservative one.
    This very same electorate voted for same sex marriage. Hardly conservative eh?

    As for his other observation…

    Its fundamental assumption is that broadly speaking, the system works fine: Trickle-down economics brings prosperity,

    Trickle down economics brought hundreds of millions out of abject poverty in record time.
    Some hard working, risk taking bastard has to create the wealth, which then trickles down to people he employs and does business with.

  31. Ubique

    Aly: “Trickle-down economics brings prosperity”

    The term “trickle-down economics” is actually a left-wing invention originally devised to attack President Ronald Reagan.

  32. Buccaneer

    That’s exactly correct. Abbott should have retired from politics

    TA sucked up almost all of the energy and bile of Get Up and the left leaning media. They equated his defeat with a coalition defeat they thought was inevitable. Indeed, it was to be the icing on the cake not a bittersweet epitaph for shifty shorten and a failed tilt at climate supremacy.

    Also, the ALP weren’t producing big change, they were hurting their own in a spiteful attempt to hurt the people they hate. Ironically, it’s the “rich” that they hate that shrugged their shoulders and thought, small price to pay so I wont be vilified by the left’s thought police, the workers realised it would be them making the sacrifices at the altar of gaia and class envy and voted the c*$ts into 3 more years of opposition. Karma is a bitch.

  33. Rohan

    Karabar
    #3022441, posted on May 22, 2019 at 12:49 pm
    There is a lot of nonsense involved in this.
    TA was never a “disruptor”.

    Correct. I distinctly remember the Q&A episode where the Hyphenator said he was a wrecker as opposition leader. She was turned into a speechless goldfish when Warren Truss asked what specifically had Abbott wrecked when the LNP had no majority in the upper and lower house, of which the Hyphenator’s party had balance of power in the senate.

    The left have no traction when facts are presented to them. Abbott was so effective as opposition leader for that very reason. Yes, his tenure as PM was a fair way short of being stellar, but it was a far cry from the rolling disaster that was that silver spooned self entitled Labor-lite hack Turnbul.

  34. Ubique

    Election fallout: Spectacular backflip on Adani by Labor.
    Palaszczuk had stalled and stalled Adani in the hope that Shorten would be elected, in which case the project would have been killed off. The tactic backfired and helped the Coalition win the election. Now the levee breaks.

  35. Ubique

    What’s the chances of Lilley coming into play? Postal votes coming in 55% to the Libs. Labor’s lead now cut to 1,119 votes.

  36. mh

    I am also just dying to hear Graham Richardson’s post election analysis.

  37. Dr Fred Lenin

    When US attorny general Barr sets the dogs on the decromat criminals who invented the Russia Collusion lie ,which I am certain he will , many prominent people in several countrieswill be exposed , bishop and downer and the alp volunteers for the international brigade to help the criminal clinton seize power like the brigade in the 30s they were defeated . Hopefully scomo will make good use of this to hurt the left ,the alp conspiricy particulary if the criminal unions are involved . It would also be good to expose soroses get up fascists ,checking how many of them and the antifa fascists get the dole on false pretences , a few long jail terms woould distress the fascists . Also put the fox in the chookhouse by swearing ot an extradition order on soros for financing treason and any other charge we can find ,we wont get him but it would be really bad PR and create distrust in soros by governments and political parties in the rest of the world ,the old inside trader nazi lover wouldnt like that up him .

  38. bollux

    I don’t care what Waleed Ali thinks. I think he should go live somewhere more fitting to his culture and take the rest with him, including Dastyari.

  39. Notafan

    Labor’s big mistake is to think that somebody else is rich when in fact it’s the inner labour power circles who constitute the bulk of the elite in Australia. These are the people with a comfortable middle class public service or publicly funded inner city lifestyles from Williamstown to Richmond Brunswick and anywhere else they congregate in numbers in their million dollar plus fancy houses while the real working poor are out there in Cranbourne, Craigieburn and Hoppers crossing struggling to pay the mortgage and electricity bills and enduring lengthy commutes to work.

    What moves them to fury is that people like Gladstone man who work long shifts and overtime might actually make a few dollars more than them on their 36 and three quarter hour weeks

  40. JohnL

    Bishop’s parents were true blue conservative Liberals from Adelaide Hills. The same constituency as Tom Playford, SA best ever premier, and one of the best politicians Australia produced.
    Her parents would be very, very disapointed about how she has turned out.

  41. Notafan

    Incidentally the smear campaign against Peter Dutton has been going on for months (I’ve seen some of the crap that was being circulated on Facebook) was a rip-roaring non-success.

    So glad to see get up wasted so much money on him and hunt as well.

  42. Real Deal

    I don’t think TA was particularly “far Right”.

    Be careful adopting labels concocted by the media and lefty urgers.

    He’s just a garden variety Conservative in a landscape that has shifted towards socialism.

    + 1 Calli, well said.

  43. Notafan

    Tim you are right, the first people to benefit when jobs are created are the people that get the jobs

  44. Percy Popinjay

    Bluddee hell – there is so much staggering wrongness evident in the observations highlighted by Sinc above I barely know where to begin. About the only one that bore any resemblance to reality was this:

    The Labor Party lost the election because the Australian public didn’t like our policies and we ran a poor campaign.

    But the fundamental reality Labor needs to face is this: the Australian public had a good look at what we put forward and said they didn’t want it.

    Then there’s this piece of spurious garbage:

    Australians voted for Morrison because they feared change.

    The only Australians who voted for Morristeen were those enrolled in his electorate. A sufficient proportion of the electorate nationwide rejected labore as the former feared the latter would very quickly destroy our society and economy.

    As for squalid’s reality free verbalising, in what kind of a bizarre parallel universe are there idiots who would regard seriously anything he (or the likes of Jane Caro, Jenna Price, Perfesser von Wrongsolen, et al) spouts about any topic, of any note, ever? He is staggeringly stupid, a monumental hypocrite and an inveterate liar, among a myriad of other profoundly unpleasant personal characteristics.

    I’ll post more on those “insightful observations” above when I can be bothered. As noted, there’s a lot to sift through.

  45. Notafan

    And I also agree with you Calli in any normal sense Tony Abbott is a fairly typical conservative like me and you.

  46. Percy Popinjay

    Tony Abbott is a fairly typical conservative

    FFS, he is nothing of the sort.

  47. Arnost

    The most conservative Liberal booths swung hard against Abbott. Mosman booths which had voted as much as 65 per cent for him in 2016, delivered a primary vote less than 40 per cent on Saturday.

    I’d like to see the Warringah demographic results.

    Mosman is full of low information “doctor’s wives” . The mob mentality where they tried to out virtue signal Abbott Derangement to each other is IMHO the likely reason for the 20%+ swing there.

    Same would have happened with Phelps in Wentworth. And the fact that the first thing Phelps did was to begin to unwind the borders would have been enough to give some pause and vote away from her.

    With Steggal – once her socialist and green climate mania comes through, she will inevitably go the same way. e.g. All it’ll take is her lack of support for the proposed Nthn Beaches tunnel / bypass to be drawn out (forcing the doctor’s wives to spend more time on Military Rd traffic) and she’s toast.

  48. Jock

    Abbotts concession speech on Saturday was intelligent, powerful and polite. One of the best I have heard. I think he will be missed, but Im sure he will continue with advocacy of conservative issues, much to the chagrin of Sinc, Turnbull and Labor. As to Warringah, I understand there is already a petition to put a wind and solar farm on Manly beach. After all they want renewables. Zali can cut the ribbon!!

    As to Waleed. I have my own views on the election. I think Tony Blair had it right (for once) when he described some journos as “Unreconstructed wankers” . The journalists in this blog piece might want to think on that.

  49. Dr Faustus

    [Getup] also wanted to get rid of all the other Liberal conservatives so that it would end up just a pale imitation of Labor. The fact that so much fire power was concentrated in one seat may well have helped Morrison.

    Certainly did.

    GetUp had a 16-person “Let’s vote out the hard right” hit list.
    Apart from Abbott they missed all of them.

    Datyari’s “brutal lesson” reflects on the practical effect of GetUp, and Alex Turnbull, and Palmer. The Australian public had a good look at what Labor put forward and said they didn’t want it.

  50. Confused Old Misfit

    It is a sad comment on Australia when the likes of Aly, Dastyari, Creighton, Greber and Devine are cited as authorities on anything.
    The word from the front bar in the country south of Adelaide is that Labor lost when it promised higher electricity costs.
    The country south of Adelaide knows full well what any shift toward renewables will bring. Lower electricity cost are not among the reputed benefits.
    Australians did not vote for Morrison because they feared change and liked the status quo. They voted for Morrison because he and his coalition are the least worst option on the table.
    They voted for Morrison because they see an opportunity for change in a direction that will benefit them.
    Lower energy costs = higher standard of living.

  51. Tom

    First up one of the most sensible things you’ll read about the 2019 election from Waleed Aly.

    Uh huh.

    Even so, the fact that Labor’s narrative of “fairness” failed before the coalition’s story of “aspiration” suggests Australia has not called time on neoliberalism in the way that voters elsewhere seem ready to.

    For lefties, “neoliberalism” is a satanic evil. In the real world, it just means using the freedom of capitalism to generate wealth.

    Where are “voters” calling time on neoliberalism? Does Aly mean communist China, where citizens are denied the vote by its totalitarian government; or socialist Europe, which has begun to disintegrate under the weight of its anti-democratic bureaucracy in Brussels?

    Certainly not in north America, Latin America or non-communist Asia.

    Read the whole thing – it is very good.

    Especially if you supported the corrupt crony capitalist who hijacked the Liberal Party to help enrich his family through the renewable energy scam.

    Just admit it, Sinclair: you hated Morrison’s victory last weekend because it confirmed the utter failure of the incompetent clown he replaced last year.

    That’s because, like Aly, you are a radical.

  52. Notafan

    Where did Tony Abbott become far right? in fact I know there are still many like minded colleagues still in the liberal party, thank goodness.

    Conservative Christians are not far right and I don’t believe Tony is currently even a practicing Christmas , I guess that means quite a few people who comment here are further to the right than he is.

    Be really nice if the people calling Tony Abbott far right could spell it precisely what that term means.

    Anti climate change lies, anti open borders, anti same sex marriage and all the goes with it like safe schools, small government low taxes?

    If that is far right there’s something seriously wrong with the so called middle.

  53. Notafan

    What is he then Percy?

  54. Diogenes

    Labor’s big mistake is to think that somebody else is rich when in fact it’s the inner labour power circles who constitute the bulk of the elite in Australia.

    I was able to ambush a rusted on ALP colleague the other day with the help of the ABC.

    Diogenes- “do you reckon the top 10% ” of wage earners should pay more tax ?
    redacted – “yep absolutely”
    Diogenes – ” How much extra ?
    redacted – “At least 60c in the $”
    Diogenes – “Like me, you are on the top of the scale ?”
    redacted – “Yep have been for yeeeeeears”
    Diogenes – “You do know according to the ABC what we get puts us in that top 10% of wage earners ?”
    redacted – “that’s godda be bullshit, the 10% has to start at 200 hunard thousand !”
    Diogenes – whips out phone – “see for yourself !”
    redacted – wanders off muttering “nah that can’t be right , its gotta be bullshit, the average wage is only around 85 grand”

  55. classical_hero

    Is the Doomlord trying to outdo m0nty for wrongologist?

  56. Dorothy

    Sinc you and Miranda have Abbott derangement syndrome

  57. Tony Tea

    I, too, am a practising teetotaller.

  58. Mark M

    The Australian Conservation Foundation (ACF) released a video patting themselves on the back for their part in the “climate election.”

    The notes are the epitaph of a 100% failure and waste of money:

    “Whatever the politics, together, we made climate action the #1 issue.

    On billboards, on the front pages, on the radio and prime time tv.

    Together, we had hundreds of thousands of conversations about why this matters and photobombed press conferences so our politicians couldn’t dodge this issue.

    Passionate volunteers across the country knocked on 15,367 doors, made 145,122 phone calls, held 1178 community events and candidate forums, and 112,427 people told the parties to step up because we are climate voters.

    Together we peppered electorates with 4002 yard signs, chipped in to reach several million people with ads, got #ClimateElection trending, stood with our kids at hundreds of kids climate strikes, and handed out 185,360 climate election scorecards on polling day, so voters know what is at stake.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=aho7APhVJDk

    And they had the abc on their side!

    KELLY O’SHANASSY should be so proud of herself, and this failure should be on top of her CV.

  59. Cynthia Wallwork

    You had me up until to the last opinion piece by Miranda Devine & your added comment Sinclair, but then again I should have stopped reading when you suggested I read Waleed Aly’s article, oh and I also agree with Adam Creighton.

    This is my opinion piece on Tony Abbott. If every individual had a skerrick of what Tony had to offer in Parliament, to their communities, to charities, in philanthropy, to their families, etc they would be half decent human beings. No, Tony was not stale or out of date, he simply came up against a mob of so called progressives (whatever the hell that means).

    Well good luck to all those who voted in Zali Steggall, I wonder what difference she will make to the constituents of Warringah, very little me thinks. Cannot wait to see the beautiful beaches lined with spinning, whirring wind turbines, every rooftop laden with solar panels, batteries in the backyard, generators at the back door, what a sight. I cannot tell you how thrilled I am to be living in the delightful eastern suburbs of Melbourne where we are in the safe hands of Michael Sukkar, our super Liberal Representative.

    I will continue to read Catallaxy for the great reads Steve Kates, Rafe Champion, TAFKAS & the like offer. Sinclair, I thought you were a true Conservative, one never knows, heh. Conservatives stick together especially when we had a remarkable human being like Tony Abbott in our midst.

  60. Karabar

    I am curious as to why there are no comments regarding Ms. Kathy Sheriff, Peter Ferris, QC, the Victoria Police, and the allegations made in the Pickering Post some years ago.
    While it is understandable that the MSM did not take up this tale prior to the election, I find it strange that there has not been some mention of it since Shorten is not PM, but will soon not even be leader of the opposition.
    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2019/05/shorten-over-reached-in-his-response-to-rape-complaint-and-no-one-picked-it-up.html

  61. Percy Popinjay

    The total first preference votes (turnout of 78%) for the coalition, labore and the greenfilth are as follows:

    coalition: 41.56%
    labore: 33.79%
    greenfilth: 9.97% (WTF?)

    Combine labore and the greenfilth and that’s 43.76%. This hardly evidence of any kind ringing endorsement of the gliberals, who staggered over the line due to a massive further fracturing of the conservative vote among a seemingly endless list of minor parties (with just enough preferences eventually flowing back). What is instructive (and incredibly disillusioning) is that the bloody greenfilth still ended up with 10% of the first preference vote.

    No matter how far labore drift into hardcore collectivist “let’s ship them off to those re-education camps” territory, for a particularly misanthropic rabble of even more batshit crazy totalitarian f*ckwits, it will never be extreme enough.

    As noted on Saturday night, this result is nothing more than a temporary blip on our inexorable march to collectivist tyranny.

  62. the system works fine: Trickle-down economics

    Stopped reading right there.
    The phrase ‘Trickle-down” is the economics Godwin’s Law.

  63. Shy Ted

    Interesting article. So we’re now supposed to listen to all these out of touch elitists who couldn’t have been more wrong? They’re suddenly worth listening to? They’ve seen the light? No, they all have appalling judgement and you’d have to have rocks in your head to listen to them now.

  64. Leo G

    calli posted at 12:54 pm:

    I don’t think TA was particularly “far Right”.
    Be careful adopting labels concocted by the media and lefty urgers.
    He’s just a garden variety Conservative in a landscape that has shifted towards socialism.

    I don’t accept that TA was a typical Conservative. I regard him as an ethical casuist, utilitarian and not in any sense absolutist. Not a Kant- more like a Bentham.
    A good example has been his casuist approach to managing the issues arising from a global political movement obsessed with the immature “science” of climate modelling.

  65. stackja

    Liberty Quote
    No one has ever succeeded in the effort to demonstrate that unionism could improve the conditions and raise the standard of living of all those eager to earn wages.

    — Ludwig von Mises

  66. Confused Old Misfit

    A progressive ALP is unelectable
    David Long 1:37 PM

    The ALP does not have the principles, let alone the policies to which working men and women can turn knowing that their families’ lives would be better; not immeasurably better, just better.

    The ALP is so progressive it only has international principles and one is obliged to ask what bloody use are they to a family putting bread on the table? But it explains why the ALP is so attractive to inner city Melbourne, the Abbottsford almond milk coffee brew set and the equivalent in Sydney and Brisbane, but rejected elsewhere.

    The ALP appeals to a narrow group of wealthy, young, self-obsessed individuals who believe that saving the planet will preserve their solar lifestyle; who save whales and fruit flies while demanding the right to kill their own babies. It’s a comfortable lifestyle if you don’t have a conscience. And yes, there are individuals who vote for ALP candidates in the hope that pensions will increase and the schools will improve, but the Party’s only working class base these days consists of public servants (whose employment is not performance based) and a few hard hats from the CFMEU.

  67. stackja

    Indolent
    #3022399, posted on May 22, 2019 at 12:09 pm
    TA was the reason MT quit.
    What makes you say that? Turnbull quit because he lost all authority after calling for a leadership vote and then lost out in the second vote. I’m certainly not complaining that he went (in fact I was jumping for joy) but what did Abbott have to do with it?

    Below seems a good answer:

    bemused
    #3022395, posted on May 22, 2019 at 12:03 pm
    Abbott was the best thing ever for the Liberals. After being stabbed in the back by Australia’s Biggest Loser and his retinue of tossers. he lived rent free in that loser’s and the tossers’ minds, and that of the stupid media, until they all imploded. Without Abbott, Australia’s Biggest Loser would still have been the bastard PM with his tossers in tow and lost this election.

  68. 132andBush

    That doesn’t mean they will be socialists, but properly centre-right.

    No way.
    They’ll be in the centre, at best.
    I cite the adherence to the climate cult and trying to grab bits and pieces from people’s super funds as two reasons to say that.

  69. Deplorable

    You are wrong about Abbott. I know a few Mosman people, and I am amazed at how in their older years they are turning progressive and have swallowed all the bull about climate. Very like Fraser, Turnbull and Hewson. Vale Abbot, a true conservative, a gentleman, and a genuine Australian.

  70. Confused Old Misfit

    Without Abbott, Australia’s Biggest Loser would still have been the bastard PM with his tossers in tow and lost this election.

    Is there any doubt but that this outcome would have delighted our esteemed blog host?

  71. duncanm

    The BigBlueCat
    #3022443, posted on May 22, 2019 at 12:51 pm
    And to add – I agree with others that Zali Steggall will be a one-term wonder (if she lasts that long). If climate change really is the issue they care about, they should take it good and hard.

    I can’t agree with this more. I know at least two fairly wealthy families living in that electorate that believe the whole green dogma — despite trying to educate them to the facts.

  72. duncanm

    TA is the John Coffey* of the Liberals… even down to the execution.

    * – the Green Mile

  73. Sinclair Davidson

    Sinclair, I thought you were a true Conservative, one never knows, heh.

    Really?

    Err. No.

  74. “Deplorable
    #3022569, posted on May 22, 2019 at 2:42 pm
    You are wrong about Abbott. I know a few Mosman people, and I am amazed at how in their older years they are turning progressive and have swallowed all the bull about climate. Very like Fraser, Turnbull and Hewson. Vale Abbot, a true conservative, a gentleman, and a genuine Australian.”

    It’s the same where I live..in Wentworth These people can afford the progressive green bull about climate, renewables, refugees and open borders…..they like all that bull because it doesn’t particularly effect them and it makes them feel good and virtuous. And this is why I think wind turbines should be built up on Dover Heights and Vaucluse, solar panels should be installed down on the foreshores of Rose Bay and Point Piper and the illegal boat people currently on Manus and Nauru should be brought to Australia and settled in the many apartment blocks located in Bondi Junction and down on Bondi Beach. When that happens (and of course it won’t….but I can dream) I can guarantee you that you will hear the screaming, screeching and wailing as far as the North Pole…..and maybe then they might start to rethink the rubbish they prescribe to….maybe…but then again these people are the ultimate hypocrites.

  75. dauf

    Really good post…except for the last bit.

    Sinc, when it comes to Abbott you have been right about him failing the nation (18C) and trying to suck up to leftist idiots (yes, try and please the ABC etc)….I personally feel he learnt, but we’ll never know

    But wow-of-wow, you have the most amazing blind spot for that stumbling political fool Turnbull and his complete lack of team work (its just Malcolm, Malcolm, Malcolm, self-interested famil, some other silly groupies….and oh, and his best mate ‘ignorant climate change’).

    Abbott only hung around because he knew (like anyone with an insight into teams…even from just reading the papers and watching the news) Turnbull would stuff the joint . He’s rotten deluded labor to the core….and Abbott was right; it was obvious given his track record of white-anting every leader Brendan Nelson.

    Oh well, with both of them gone, we can return to the otherwise sensible observations from you

    cheers

  76. Bones

    1. Never even think about praising your political enemies……….come the revolution your head will be on a pike anyway so lie low on praise.

    2. With Labor in opposition, Zali will be looking for people to talk to.

    3. I quote Deplorable “You are wrong about Abbott. I know a few Mosman people, and I am amazed at how in their older years they are turning progressive and have swallowed all the bull about climate. Very like Fraser, Turnbull and Hewson. Vale Abbot, a true conservative, a gentleman, and a
    genuine Australian. ”

    Hear, hear!

  77. bollux:

    I don’t care what Waleed Ali thinks.

    Oh Noes!
    Islamophobia! Heretic!
    But fair enough, I suppose.

  78. bollux:

    I don’t care what Waleed Ali thinks.

    Oh Noes!
    Muslamophobia! Heretic!
    But fair enough, I suppose.

  79. calli

    Percy Popinjay
    #3022495, posted on May 22, 2019 at 1:34 pm
    Tony Abbott is a fairly typical conservative

    FFS, he is nothing of the sort.

    Change My Mind.

    Pretty please.

  80. John A

    In fact it’s a message of contentedness and caution. Its fundamental assumption is that broadly speaking, the system works fine

    Which means that basically the Australian voters are saying to the government: “bloody-well leave us alone!”

    It reminds me of Douglas Adams in “Restaurant at the End of the Universe” reporting on the tense atmosphere inside the black “sun-dive” stunt ship of Hotblack Desiato: it stopped bucking and screaming when the occupants finally left the controls alone and let the autopilot do its job.

  81. calli

    I am amazed at how in their older years they are turning progressive and have swallowed all the bull about climate.

    Yes.

    And they add the smugness of age to the dumbness of their position. Impenetrable stupidity.

  82. I will also add that the mostly well off voters of Warringah and Wentworth are utterly clueless when it comes to western Sydney….an area that is bearing the brunt of ever increasing power bills, chocking under unfettered immigration and the cultural impact of the religion of pieces and so on. None of these people asked for it. It’s very easy to be pious when you can afford steep electricity bills and when you’re not living in suburbs that are unrecognisable to the suburbs that they were only a decade ago.

    I think also that if there is one thing that Saturday night’s election result shows….that the Liberal party, in the long run, needs to walk away from electorates like Warringah and Wentworth. Its future is elsewhere.

  83. Old School Conservative

    Listen to Waleed “I predict an 81 seat win to Labor” Aly?
    No.
    Neither will I listen to Waleed “terrorism is perpetual irritant” Aly.
    Waleed “while terrorism is tragic and emotionally lacerating, it kills relatively few people” Aly is also on my don’t trust list.
    The Project and it’s green-left agenda is only to be watched so I can know my enemy and not fear the result of a hundred battles.

  84. Tintarella di Luna

    It’s the same where I live..in Wentworth These people can afford the progressive green bull about climate, renewables, refugees and open borders

    Peter Dutton should bring the latter to their suburb and Craig Kelly the former, wind turbines in Neilson Park and along the foreshore at Watson’s Bay. Beaudiful.

  85. Eddystone

    While Sinc’s article above is complete drivel a bit controversial, let us not go to town on him.

    This blog is a unique place for us, and not to be taken for granted.

  86. Craig Mc

    The most conservative Liberal booths swung hard against Abbott. Mosman booths which had voted as much as 65 per cent for him in 2016, delivered a primary vote less than 40 per cent on Saturday. These are people who have voted for Abbott time and again, but they felt he had gone rogue. They hadn’t given him a mandate to destroy the party, bring down a Liberal government and deliver Australia to Bill Shorten.

    Or, they voted strategically on the solid expectation there would be an ALP/Greens government and wanted to benefit from being a much needed extra seat in a razor-thin majority.

    Suckers.

  87. candy

    Time to move on, Prof. D. TA is not in politics anymore and is a private citizen.

    My hunch is Ms Steggall will join the Liberals and she and PM Morrison are probably in talks about it now. He does want Warringah back in the fold, because climate change is a big issue for many folk from all walks of life, nd he does not want to alienate the elite rich electorates.

    But it had not much to do with the election. That was due to Shorten/Bowen’s stupid mind boggling uncosted massive policies that no-one cared much about, and freaked people out over the campaign day by day, until even Labor people could not stand it anymore and voted for Libs.

  88. Leigh Lowe

    Time to take the Malcolm poster off the back of the bedroom door, and scratch his name off your pencil case, Sinc.
    It’s not healthy for anyone over the age of 13 to have these lingering crushes.

  89. I suspect that there is already a bit of “buyer remorse” in Warringah……but the voters of Warringah chose this course of action and they now have to live with it….Zali Steggall is a nonentity and should be treated as such.

    And whilst I can understand people wanting a change….the old adage…”be careful what you wish for” applies. However the good news is that that the bimbo won’t be doing much and more importantly, she can’t do much damage because the government has a workable majority….and whilst the government should be respectful towards her …they shouldn’t accord her much importance. I also think that the good burghers of Warringah need to be taught a lesson…and to be sidelined is always a good thing. As we know, independents are selfish and they can be very destructive…we saw this with Windbag and Oakeshitt in 2010 and we also saw how quickly Phelps damaged the government with her medevac legislation which compromised our borders…and that was just in 7 months.

  90. Seco

    You’re a fricken troll Sinc. It’s your blog so it’s your right. Ok, the electorate finally succumbed to the deluge of bile and crap thrown at Abbott by the media, Getup and the like, Unions and your elite dinner party friends for years and years.

    I can only hope the new member for Warringah sticks to her guns and makes sure the joint is covered with windmills, solar panels and Tesla charging stations and a new high rise is built to house all the refugees they can handle. After all, the “grass roots” campaign demanded it.

    The best thing you can say about Abbott was that he was definitely no Turnbull. That makes him alright in my opinion.

  91. Seco

    calli
    #3022446, posted on May 22, 2019 at 12:54 pm
    I don’t think TA was particularly “far Right”.

    On homosexual marriage, Abbott is as far right as Penny Wong was 8 years ago.

  92. Craig Mc

    Abbott got a $100k pay rise for losing his job – and that’s before he lands some cushy posting, so I don’t feel too sorry for him.

    I wish him well. Thanks for repealing Gillard’s carbon tax, stopping the boats, knocking the ludicrous super-profits tax dead, keeping the flame lit, and being a gentleman throughout outrageous provocations that I would have knocked teeth out for.

    And If he helped remove the Turnbull cancers from public life, well then he’s worth every penny for that alone.

  93. Tintarella di Luna

    I also think that the good burghers of Warringah need to be taught a lesson…and to be sidelined is always a good thing.

    I wonder how many kilometres the gap-toothed heffalump will cycle to raise funds for the needy in the electorate, you know for Bear Cottage or the Far West Children’s Home, or the Women’s Shelter – and of course she’ll lead by example by getting rid of the gas-guzzling, CO2 spewing SUV and has called the workmen out to put up the solar panels — such a leader, who wouldn’t follow?

  94. Leo G

    My hunch is Ms Steggall will join the Liberals and she and PM Morrison are probably in talks about it now.

    Once the GetUp mercenaries have moved on. She could ask TA to broker the deal.

  95. Rococo Liberal

    Steggal, like Maxine, will be a one-term wonder. GetUp put all its eggs in that particular basket – the obscenities, the vandalism and Blackshirting in a conservative seat will not be forgotten any time soon. I suspect buyer’s regret is already starting to appear.

    I get the impression that the ”smart” people in Warringah and Wentworth were convinced that the Coalition was going to lose. They thus thought that it was OK to go for an independent because the Liberal candidate would not be in government anyway.
    Fortunately, in Wentworth we had already had a dose of a loony independent. This seems to have turned off enough people to get Dave Sharma over the line.
    I’m sure the people of Warringah will now suddenly realise that they have saddled themselves with some airhead who will do nothing for them and will probably vote with Labour in the House.

  96. Tintarella di Luna

    My hunch is Ms Steggall will join the Liberals and she and PM Morrison are probably in talks about it now.

    I am not so kindly-minded – I hope she metaphorically chokes on the poisoned prize.

  97. Rebel with cause

    Such great insight from the same pundits that less than a week ago were predicting a Labor victory.

    Still, I can’t get enough of the articles about how lazy at campaigning Labor are and how much voters hated their policies.

  98. Cynthia Wallwork

    Sinclair, I thought you were a true Conservative, one never knows, heh.

    Really?
    Err. No.

    Well there you go then, but I am sorry. I always feel comforted and secure when I am around or can communicate with like minded people. I do not expect everybody to agree with my opinions, but I will be damned if I will stand by and read or hear another negative comment about Tony Abbott, I will defend this man come hell or high water.
    Err. No. but I hope we can still be friends.

  99. Dr Fred Lenin

    Abbot was more DLP than Menzies Liberal ,Bob Santa Maria was ingrained in boys of his group when he was young , the shades of the Vatican fight with the communists as imbued .in their thinking .
    Still his going clears the decks by sweeping past nonsense off the table .

  100. Mother Lode

    Sod Squalid.

    Trickle down economics?

    My understanding is that that is like cannibalism in remote Africa. As you travel along a river each tribe tells you that the next one along – just a little more isolated from the world and a little more primitive – is cannibal. Each tribe says it about the other, not themselves.

    Similarly, many people are accused of believing in ‘Trickle down’ economics, but no one actually says it about themselves.

    People who did could as easily argue that paying public servants more trickles down.

  101. Mother Lode

    And you know what? Not running a big campaign brimming with promises is a good thing.

    When a party promises to make things happen they are promising to interfere, to distort, and to intrude. This means more tax and more regulation.

    Calling a campaign that does not promise to impress the will of politicians upon the people like putty is not really negative. What Tits offered was not positive. It was Whitlamesque.

    How devoted to freedom ScoMo’s government is can be debated, but if he promised nothing and kept out of the way then he was offering something far better and positive than the grand architects that would use people like bricks and their cash like mortar.

    If only we could get a party with a real negative platform: “We are going to close down the ABC so you can do what you want with your savings. Shut the HRC so people feel free to discuss and debate everything. Ditching the RET and renewables subsidies so you get the best energy choices at the lowest prices…”

  102. Squirrel

    “Labor couldn’t be trusted precisely because it wanted to shake things up.” (Aly)

    And the majority of Australians have worked out that Labor is somewhat better at dreaming up nice-sounding ideas than it is of making them happen in a workable, affordable way – hardly surprising for a party dominated by union officials, former staffers, Labor lawyers, and groomed ex-local government types who move on from that lowly realm a.s.a.p.

  103. Leo G

    I will be damned if I will stand by and read or hear another negative comment about Tony Abbott, I will defend this man come hell or high water. … but I hope we can still be friends.

    Iron out some of the inconsistencies, perhaps?

  104. Craig Mc

    And the majority of Australians have worked out that Labor is somewhat better at dreaming up nice-sounding ideas than it is of making them happen in a workable, affordable way.

    Speaking of which, isn’t the NDIS going swimmingly?

    Who could have foreseen such a thing?

  105. Tim Neilson

    Mother Lode
    #3022725, posted on May 22, 2019 at 5:17 pm

    CS Lewis once suggested to a friend that they found the Stagnation Party, whose platform would be a promise that nothing of the slightest importance would happen while they were in office.

  106. vlad

    How does a vegan eat HSPs?

  107. Leo G

    How does a vegan eat HSPs?

    Tofu kebab.

  108. Elderly White Man From Skipton

    Much BS here about Abbott. He had 25 years of support but went way out into the long grass – feral. Now his electorate has run him down and then backed up to be sure. People here are avoiding reality: the guy was lost and had no chance of doing anything but damage.

  109. amortiser

    Regarding the seat of Lilley, by my reconning the Libs will come up about 350 short. There are still 14756 votes still to be counted of which only 5630 are postals where the LNP has about a 55/45 advantage. The balance are absentees, provisionals and declaration votes and will probably reflect the voting day outcomes ie about 50/50 at best.

    A bit of a pity.

  110. amortiser

    I’ve just looked at Cowan. There is a page for outstanding votes:

    https://tallyroom.aec.gov.au/HouseDivisionPage-24310-237.htm

    This shows outstanding votes for absentees, provisionals, declaration votes and postals. Now you would think that the envelopes issued for these votes would be known at the close of counting on Election Day.

    I looked at these figures yesterday and absentees were 6626 ( today 6675), provisionals 1368 (today 1471), declarations 4779 (today 5292).

    There has been an increase of 965 votes since yesterday. Can anyone enlighten me as to how this can happen?

  111. W Hogg

    Squalid Alley even at his best can’t help being a lying scumbag. Wages have been accelerating for 3 years. Strong real growth is the highest since the mining bubble.

  112. BrettW

    Percy above counts the Green votes on Labor side but totally excludes the Palmer and ON votes for the Coalition side.

  113. The BigBlueCat

    duncanm
    #3022573, posted on May 22, 2019 at 2:47 pm

    I can’t agree with this more. I know at least two fairly wealthy families living in that electorate that believe the whole green dogma — despite trying to educate them to the facts.

    There’s a link to a change.org petition here. I’ve signed it. I expect to see wind farms, solar farms, no internal combusiton engines, the whole schmeel inside the Warringah electorate … Warringah wants it, and Zali says she is their leader on climate change, so they should get it good and hard.

  114. 132andBush

    Much BS here about Abbott. He had 25 years of support but went way out into the long grass – feral. Now his electorate has run him down and then backed up to be sure. People here are avoiding reality: the guy was lost and had no chance of doing anything but damage.

    Examples please.

    Cogent ones.

  115. Percy Popinjay

    counts the Green votes on Labor side but totally excludes the Palmer and ON votes for the Coalition side

    A blundering incoherent rabble, whose “policies” more often than not would be as economically destructive as anything offered up by labore and the greenfilth.

    Don’t forget, the last time labore were in government, they entered into a formal coalition with the greenfilth.

    Yet again, an example of someone here reading one of my comments but being incapable of comprehending it. The sort of thing I’d expect from an imbecile like iampeta.

  116. egg_

    Waleed Aly (Wally) was totally out of touch with the election predicting an ALP win of 81 seats.

    Nailed it.

    A-Grade rolled gold fvcktard.
    Credibility: 0
    Fact checked.

    Wasn’t the tard’s forecast the subject of a post on the Cat?

    Is Sinc trolling for comments?

  117. C.L.

    Miranda is wrong (obviously). Not just wrong but ridiculous.
    By destroying Turnbullism, Abbott saved Australia from Shorten.

  118. None

    Miranda has lost the plot. Abbott hate.
    I notice she has dropped the 5he delcons and is now pretending she was barracking for deplorables.
    Beyond menopausal.

  119. Glyn

    Sinc cannot get over the fact that his best mate, Turnbull, ousted himself when he called a spill motion and lost. Abbott has always been the Liberal Party’s best asset and he will be a great loss. He will no doubt continue to contribute to his beloved Party in some role, as John Howard has done. Hopefully, he will help reform the pre-selection process, making it more democratic. Until that happens, the Liberal Party membership will continue to haemorrhage. In NSW, a Get Up campaign is required to be rid of the likes of powerbroker, Zimmerman, and others. As for the people of Warringah, good luck with their climate cult MP, who hypocritically doesn’t like the look of solar panels on her mansion and drives a gas guzzler.

  120. Faye

    The well-to-do pearl clutching hypocrites’ filthy tactics and abusive behaviour towards a good man, Tony Abbott and his family, in an Australian election after planning, financing and deploying with the expertise of a war cabinet, should shock us all.

    You can’t have one side of the community act this way against the other side, without splitting the community deeply. They were so proud of their actions, they showed their faces on ABC Four Corners. It could be, they might be feeling a bit on the outer now, doing the shopping.

    Although this is no different (on a much smaller scale), to the dirty tactics of the Democrats in America against President Trump and the Establishment in the UK against Nigel Farage, Brexit Party. As a matter of fact, the Climate Crisis (new name) is part of the control program of the Global Establishment with its EU head office to guard their privileged position of lifestyle and money flow of which trillions are at stake worldwide. The smell of panic is in the air.

  121. Sigfried

    I watched TA’s concession speech on Saturday night. All class…. contrast that with the vile dummy spit of MT! I think we will miss in the parliament one of the few conviction politicians that were left!

  122. Tel

    I watched TA’s concession speech on Saturday night. All class….

    We should demand the concession speech upfront, so we know who is worth voting for.

  123. Ellie

    A few years back I worked with a leftist who was a huge fan of Julia Gillard. Whenever he was feeling down he played her delusional misogyny speech. Whenever I felt down I played Tony Abbott’s victory speech. He was a great man. Still is.

  124. Clam Chowdah

    Sinc, for God’s sake, stick to economics!! Without TA staying on, Peter Dutton might not have been able to mount a challenge to Turnbull, and in that circumstance, we would now have a DiNatale Shorten Coalition government and be only 6 years away from Venzuela. Real world Sinc, real world!

    Well said.

  125. RedneckRuss

    “if Tony Abbott was in outer suburban liberal seat he would have won hands down”

    Totally agreed, Warringah has become Gentrified and lost it’s Conservative nature. Move out West Tony and the Girls we still love you!!

  126. stackja

    Elderly White Man From Skipton
    #3022780, posted on May 22, 2019 at 6:19 pm

    Yes Elderly White Man From Skipton much BS here about Abbott from you.

  127. Elderly White Man From Skipton

    Stackja and 132Bush etc: Maybe you weren’t paying attention. The guy was elected with but one policy: paid parental leave. I did not get up because no one thought it a good idea. He wasn’t watching while Hockey created a Budget that his govt then spent its remaining time crawling away from. He made no attempt at reform of anything. He watched silent while the gas market turned from a national asset to a disaster. Paid no attention to the rising problems in finance and banking. Ignored three inquiries into aged care. Then gave the husband of the Queen a gong.
    But if you really want disgust, check out his total policy retreat (it was a sprint from the field) on key issues like climate when he thought he might lose his seat. He is utterly, totally spineless.
    In the age of digital radio, TA is a vacuum tube.

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