Monday Forum: May 27, 2019

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  1. Roger

    Do you really trust someone who changes a lifetime of belief for political gain?

    I haven’t seen any evidence of change yet, which means the prospect of political gain is moot.

    This morning down south Albo was talking down the economics of coal mining, this afternoon he’ll presumably be telling Queensland coal miners only the ALP has their backs.

    This is why they’re called the Liars’ Party.

  2. Zyconoclast

    Children among 15 injured in Japan park stabbing, media reports say

    Fifteen people, including eight primary school children, have been injured in a stabbing attack by a man in a park just outside Tokyo, national broadcaster NHK is reporting.

    Two children and an adult were without vital signs after the suspected stabbing in Kawasaki city, west of Tokyo, NHK said, citing city authorities.

    The suspect was detained on the spot and was badly hurt after stabbing himself in the shoulder, NHK said.

    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-28/children-among-15-injured-in-stabbing-in-japan-park/11155850

  3. Tintarella di Luna

    1. Increase staff in the NDIA from 3,000 to 9,000.
    2. Appoint a disabled person as CEO.

    Another vulgar and bellicose Green. And did the Green mention any suitable names as to who that would be, it’s like the mere fact of having a disability automatically means that that person can run a multi-billion dollar complex organisation — It reminds me of Whoppi Goldberg challenged by Ann Coulter when she said to Whoppi that by the mere fact of her being black did not imbue her with the sum total of knowledge and history of Black Americans

    As to 24-year-old Senator Jordan Steel-John’s points about improving the NDIS:
    1. What is he saying we need more bureaucrats because not one person employed in the agency NDIA provides direct care, the direct care is provided by service providers who employ people at a rate determined by the NDIA —

    2. As for a person with disability should be a CEO really? would would that be? and I can only think of two people who have disabilities who have the intellectual capacity, financial experience and understanding of the sector who could possibly fill that post, one is already on the NDIA Board and the other is a personal friend who probably wouldn’t want the job anyway. So I’d like to know who Senator Steel-John has in mind.

    The Greens think they own the Royal Commission into Disability when it was called for by thousands of families and people with disabilities who gave evidence to the Senate Inquiry. Evidence which was absolutely scandalous and about which nothing was ever done by the bent-eared bastard who allowed the NDIS to roll-out right over the top of systems rotten to the core.

  4. areff

    Cassie: Your thoughts on the death penalty are sane and reasonable, but surely the issue boils down to this: Yes, quite a few nasty pieces of work deserve to swing, but who places the noose? The state.

    The power of life and death in the state’s hands?

    No thanks, no matter how pleasing it would be to see Ivan Milat’s eyes bulging as his feet danced in air.

  5. Tom

    Leigh, the white blackfellah greenfilth watermelons tried to get beach training shut down at Warrnambool because pipty-towsand year culture, but failed. Of course, they had to be appeased, which involves giving them veto power over Warrnambool’s entire equestrian industry, which employs hundreds of people.

    They haven’t tried it on at Thirteenth Beach, but that just means they haven’t found an endangered species there yet.

  6. memoryvault

    An oldie but goodie, since few today youngies actually know what it actually refers to –

    “Cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey.”

  7. Stimpson J. Cat

    Good luck Delta.
    There is an upside.
    One less leg to shave.
    Discounts on fine shoes for only buying one.
    Never having to worry about mismatched or lost socks.
    A prosthetic leg you you can threaten to pull off and beat people to death with.
    Always putting your best foot forward.
    We must stay positive.
    Good luck.

  8. Bruce of Newcastle

    We are three years out from the next election. Why Queenslanders shanghaid Labor in the nuts is no secret.

    There’s your answer. Next Qld election is in 17 months time.

  9. johanna

    Yes, the Greg Gutfeld Show put together an excellent little montage of the CNN pom-pom wavers from just last year.
    They also reminded us that Avanetti not only stole money from Stormy Daniels, but had form for ripping off people who sued for medical malpractice … you know, wheelchair bound cripples.

    The Greg Gutfeld Show, and The Five, are must sees. Funny, and incisive.

    Re Avenetti, one of the most telling things was when Tucker Carlson said that his long time producer wanted to wash his hands after dealing with him.

    Tucker’s producer is not a snowflake, but he was totally creeped out by Avenetti.

  10. Yes, quite a few nasty pieces of work deserve to swing, but who places the noose?

    The tumbril owners association fully support an independent headsman.

    ref: independent ombudsman

  11. Atoms for Peace

    Albo..private money will be used to open up the mining. Don’t compare private enterprise to government enterprise when it comes to what is economical.

  12. Top Ender

    At 10am yesterday it became officia­l: Anthony Albanese is now the leader of the Labor Party. He is the 21st leader and the first to hold an inner-city seat since Arthu­r Calwell retired from the electorate of Melbourne in 1972. And he is the first from Labor’s NSW Left faction since HV “Doc” Evatt vacated the role in 1960.

    Albanese has been a member of parliament for 23 years, including six as a minister and a few months as deputy prime minister. His entire full-time working life has been as a political staff member­, party official or parliamentarian. He was a leader in studen­t politics and Young Labor. And he is the leader of the hard-Left faction within the party.

    While Albanese is popular among party members and respec­ted by many voters, he will need to undergo a transformation to be electorally viable. He will need to junk many of the things he has believed in, threatening his authenticity and credibility, and to accept that he has been on the wrong side of many policy issues.

    Such as death taxes. At a meeting of the NSW Young Labor council executive in mid-1985, Albane­se moved a motion urging the Hawke government to introduce “a wealth tax and gift and death duties”. (I’ve got the minutes­.) He was, to be fair, 22 at the time. Union leaders had called for similar things. Maybe it is ancient history and doesn’t matter. Put it down to youthful ignorance.

    But at Labor Party conferences in the 1980s and 90s Albanese oppose­d the deregulation of financi­al markets, privatisation of government assets, tariff cuts, wage restraint, fiscal consolid­ation and the export of uranium to France. He even voted with the Left faction to re-regulate the currency, years after the float, in 1986.

    As Young Labor president, Albanes­e often trashed Bob Hawke and Paul Keating. He repeatedly­ said they were out of touch. “Someone like Keating can put himself up as a possible Labor PM, but he is more comfortable mixing with millionaires and business executives than he is with working-class people,” Albanese thundered in one of many tirades.

    Much more recently, at Labor’s 2015 national conference, he urged Left faction colleagues to oppose Bill Shorten and Richard Marles in their support for asylum­-seeker boat turnbacks.

    Albanese’s hand went up opposin­g turnbacks. He openly defied Shorten. He has since lament­ed that vote and says he now supports boat turnbacks.

    At that same national conference, Albanese moved a motion supporting a minimum level of taxation on high-income earners, the so-called Buffett rule. It would generate about $2 billion to $3bn in extra revenue. Labor’s Left faction­ re-endorsed this policy ahead of last year’s national conference­.

    The Left faction also supports a Tobin tax, which would introduce a levy on financial transactions.

    None of this augurs well for Albanese­’s judgment on policy and political issues.

    But it would be a mistake to underestimate his considerable political skills or capacity to learn from his errors. This is essential if he is to have any chance of leading Labor to victory at the next election.

    It also would be a mistake to assume the next election is ­already won for the Coalition.

    But Labor does need to conduc­t a detailed, open and independent review of its election campaign. The last review, overseen by national secretary Noah Carroll, was a farce. It was the first time that Labor’s post-election review­ was kept secret.

    How could anybody learn from it if they couldn’t read it? Albanese has made promising comments about the need to revisit Labor policies. He also has said the party’s anti-business and class warfare rhetoric such as “big end of town” should be left behind.

    The trouble is that he has used this language throughout his time in politics, including during the recent election campaign. These are not just words; they are statemen­ts that signalled Labor’s values to voters.

    Albanese’s personal motto is “I fight Tories”. This is a class-based term used by British Labour to attac­k the British Conservative Party. This is not applicable to the Liberal and Nationals parties in Australia.

    Robert Menzies, as he said, “was not born to the purple”. If Labor is to win back voters, it won’t do so with phrases about fighting its opponents. Labor must win the battle of ideas.

    The party must accept that it has suffered yet another election defeat. The true believers always look for scapegoats such as their opponent’s scare campaigns or the media, or lull themselves into believing they were unlucky and will win the next election. Labor did this time and time again durin­g the Howard years and is doing so again. But it has only itself­ to blame.

    Labor won only 33.5 per cent of the vote and went backwards in seats held. The party was rejected by many voters in its retained seats, including blue-collar worker­s and the aspirational middl­e class, in the outer suburbs and regions.

    Many marginal seats that Labor thought it could win are now safely held by the Coalition. Labor had swings to it almost exclusive­ly in inner-city seats, such as in Albanese’s Grayndler.

    The likely elevation of Marles, from the Victorian Right faction, as deputy leader should be welcome­d. Marles will be a moderatin­g influence on Albanese. The national Right faction, though divided, still has a majority of MPs in caucus and on the frontbench. They should work co-operative­ly with Albanese and use their authority to ensure the party does not slide further left.

    Albanese will strike many as the antipodean version of radical left-wingers Jeremy Corbyn and Bernie Sanders. Many in Labor’s Left faction want to follow their example. But shifting further to the left is a dead end for Labor. The immense challenge for Albanese, the most left-wing Labor leader in more than a half-century­, is to reinvent himself and steer the party towards the centre.

    Oz with comments open if you can scale the paywall.

  13. Parliament house must stop using fossil fuels for heating/cooling.

  14. stackja

    Top Ender
    #3028011, posted on May 28, 2019 at 10:27 am

    Warren’s View in today’s Daily Telegraph

  15. Tom

    Leigh, the white blackfellah greenfilth watermelons tried to get beach training shut down at Warrnambool because pipty-towsand year culture, but failed. Of course, they had to be appeased, which involves giving them veto power over Warrnambool’s entire equestrian industry, which employs hundreds of people.

    They haven’t tried it on at Thirteenth Beach, but that just means they haven’t found an endangered species there yet.

  16. Leigh Lowe

    This morning down south Albo was talking down the economics of coal mining, this afternoon he’ll presumably be telling Queensland coal miners only the ALP has their backs.

    They seem to be not well acquainted with the Mr Marconi’s invention.

  17. Roger

    Cases like this are the main reason reason why capital punishment has to be opposed.

    Abusus non tollit usum – misuse does not preclude proper use.

    Cases like Mallard’s are not an argument against the death penalty, they are an argument for ferreting out and severely punishing police and public officials who corrupt the criminal justice system and wrongly deprive innocent people of their liberty.

    Our instincts cry out for the death penalty in the case of the most heinous crimes because it meets a fundamental notion of rectitude that all reasonable people harbour in their minds & hearts – that justice must be satisfied, or, in layman’s terms, the punishment must fit the crime.

    A society that does not retain the death penalty for wilful murder does not value life, it actually devalues it.

  18. Top Ender

    Albo in one of his proudest moments, ripping off a speech from a US president:

  19. Tintarella di Luna

    ferreting out and severely punishing police and public officials who corrupt the criminal justice system and wrongly deprive innocent people of their liberty.

    Yes indeed Roger and I understand the corrupt mongrels who aided and abetted the succubus Sarah-Jane Parkinson have not been severely punished even though they’ve been ferreted out — but of course it’s the ACT police

  20. areff

    A little background from the archives on Albo’s deputy, Richard “Branch Stacker” Marles, from his ex-girlfriend.

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/ex-lets-fly-with-branch-stacking-claims-20060125-ge1mr0.html

    “I had grown up a strong supporter of the ALP. But when I got involved with Richard I realised that the behaviour they were involved in meant that they cared nothing about about people, the underdogs or the downtrodden.”

    What they did care about was getting Gavan O’Connor, as decent an old-school Labor man as you might find, out of Corio. Big mobs of Turkish migrants signed up as Labor members proved very useful in that endeavour.

  21. John64

    Even allowing for the fact that Pony Girl’s Government is facing the voters late next year, I can’t understand why Therapeutic Albo is breaking his neck to get up to Central Qld ASAP.

    FFS the next Federal Election isn’t until mid-2022. By then – one way or the other – Adani will be sorted out and ancient history. It won’t be an issue in the next campaign.

  22. Tintarella di Luna

    Albo in one of his proudest moments, ripping off a speech from a US president:

    and a pretend US president at that — Labor really knows how to pick ’em.

  23. notafan

    A friend is Norwegian. During winter, they lived in a small part of the house which was heated.

    Been doing that for hundreds of years in Scandanavia

    though the town we we stayed in, in Denmark, that has heat from a recycled waste plant, everyone had the heater on 25C heating the whole house

    bit too warm for us.

  24. John64

    Tintarella di Luna
    #3028021, posted on May 28, 2019 at 10:36 am

    An excellent summary. Steel-John really is an odious character.

  25. EvilElvis

    One of your 3 is mine Custard! D

    I’m a part of the Dirty Three…

  26. Roberto

    My organisation has just had a ‘celebration’ for National Reconciliation Week. None of my team felt the need to attend.

  27. pete m

    John, Adani is but one issue in Qld.

    Far bigger was their tax policies.

    Lot of retirees here.

  28. Delta A

    Thank you, wonderful Cats, for your encouragement and humour.

    It means a great deal to me.

  29. Mater

    The power of life and death in the state’s hands?

    Areff,
    The state sent the military to kill off ISIS, and the standard of proof was a lot less (individually) than here in Australia. Some of them were even Australian citizens.
    Was that wrong or right?
    I didn’t have an issue with it, and I don’t see the morality of it changing as you cross an ocean.
    For consistency, I’m therefore forced to concede that I’m not opposed to the death penalty. That’s not to say that it shouldn’t be applied under the strictest of conditions.

  30. Eyrie

    “Cold as a tax collector’s heart….”
    ZK2A the best place to keep beer cold….. next to a fighter pilot’s heart.

  31. Johno

    Delta,
    Pull the other one, it yodels.
    Now you can say

    Pull the other one, it rusts.

  32. Some History

    Albodross a few days after the election:

    As far as I’m concerned we are now three days closer to the next Labor government and I’m determined rather than despairing when it comes to Labor’s prospects.
    https://twitter.com/AlboMP/status/1130643845304111104

  33. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I’m a part of the Dirty Three…

    Makes me the third.

  34. Eyrie

    MV, it may have been Howard/Gillard/Abbott who gave us our current electricity shambles but it was due to pressure by and fear of the green/red loons and their ceaseless campaigns on the issue.

  35. “areff
    #3028022, posted on May 28, 2019 at 10:36 am
    Cassie: Your thoughts on the death penalty are sane and reasonable, but surely the issue boils down to this: Yes, quite a few nasty pieces of work deserve to swing, but who places the noose? The state.

    The power of life and death in the state’s hands?

    No thanks, no matter how pleasing it would be to see Ivan Milat’s eyes bulging as his feet danced in air.”

    There is talk that Ted Bundy’s executioner was a female. If so…how sweet.

  36. Johno

    ferreting out and severely punishing police and public officials who corrupt the criminal justice system and wrongly deprive innocent people of their liberty.

    Roger, unfortunately this usually occurs way to late.

  37. Eyrie

    Anyway, MV, what is the cat status at your place?

  38. memoryvault

    I can’t understand why Therapeutic Albo is breaking his neck to get up to Central Qld ASAP.

    Simples, John.
    His visit has nothing to do with union members or voters or elections.

  39. notafan

    iirc Howard regrets

    Like most of us he believed there was truth telling, when there was not.

  40. Some History

    And now for pre-lunch comedy.
    Albodross:
    As Leader-elect of @AustralianLabor I understand the responsibility that I have been given, not just to the party, and its supporters, but to our nation. I pledge to always remember that we are here to serve all Australians.

    https://twitter.com/AlboMP/status/1132861766172434432

  41. Eyrie

    “ferreting out and severely punishing police and public officials who corrupt the criminal justice system and wrongly deprive innocent people of their liberty”

    Guilty of withholding evidence and/or conspiracy to do same should result in dismissal, loss of benefits and a stiff jail term.

  42. John64

    His visit has nothing to do with union members or voters or elections.

    Not another stiff neck?

  43. memoryvault

    Anyway, MV, what is the cat status at your place?

    Good morning Eyrie.
    One very contented asleep under the bed, and one still MIA.

  44. thefrolickingmole

    Ok this is awful/funny.

    RTWT heres some samples of its stupidity and very much in the vein of “Tolerating intolerance” is a losing game.

    ‘We can’t give in’: the Birmingham school on the frontline of anti-LGBT protests

    Sarah Hewitt-Clarkson is crying. The headteacher at Anderton Park primary school in Birmingham has suffered eight weeks of protests outside her school gates over her decision to teach LGBT-inclusive content to her young pupils, the vast majority of whom are Ottoman. After repeatedly putting on a brave face when I ask her how she is feeling, she finally admits: “I am in despair”, and then breaks down. She is struggling for control as she continues: “I know one of the phrases that’s associated with domestic abuse is the crushing of the spirit of a woman. And that’s what I feel is happening. We can’t give in.”

    Her voice trembles with emotion. She has been having sleepless nights, she says, worrying about the impact of the protests on her staff and pupils, and has received threatening messages telling her to “watch her back”.

    “I am quite resilient to these things but other people, who are more concerned for my safety, are worried I may come to harm.”

    She had a particularly difficult week last week. Police were called last Sunday after LGBT-inclusivity campaigners and their children were pelted with eggs for tying supportive messages and rainbow ribbons on to her school gates. The following day, Hewitt-Clarkson estimates, about half the children at the school were withdrawn from lessons by parents. She believes many were intimidated by protesters who stood guard on the roads that led to the school, and says they were telling parents: “If you take your kids to school today, you’re not a Ottoman and you’ll burn in hell.” On Friday, the school closed at noon so that the children would not have to put up with a highly publicised “national protest” taking place outside their classrooms. “Our children, our choice”, a video shows around 200 protesters shouting. “Let kids be kids! Listen to parents!”

    However they know what the real problem is.
    Its those damn right wingers who are being proven correct in their predictions…

    They say: ‘you must listen to families because we are nearly all Ottoman and you must do what we say.’ If you take that to its logical conclusion, there are areas not far from my school with a lot of far-right parents. What if they say: get rid of all books with brown people in them because white people are superior?”

    Even directly confronted with an obvious outcome of their stupidity their reflex reaction is to erect a “white man” strawman and flog it.
    They are deranged.

    Also its worth mentioning this has come about because Mays government has mandated it.

    In 2010 this was enough…
    2010: The Equality Act
    Offers legal protection for people against discrimination, harassment and victimisation in the workplace and wider society, based on nine protected characteristics: age, disability, gender reassignment, marriage and civil partnership, pregnancy and maternity, race, religion or belief, sex and sexual orientation.

    In 2019 for some odd reason instead it has to be “educated” into the kids from the ages of 4 up.
    2017: Children and Social Work Act
    Requires relationships and sex education to be taught in all English schools from September 2020. In primaries, children will learn about subjects including families, friendships, relationships and being safe online, including characteristics of healthy family life.

  45. Boambee John

    Eyrie
    #3028059, posted on May 28, 2019 at 11:03 am
    MV, it may have been Howard/Gillard/Abbott who gave us our current electricity shambles but it was due to pressure by and fear of the green/red loons and their ceaseless campaigns on the issue.

    The inflyence of tge Slime via Their ABC and the rest of the MSM is totally pernicious. The Slimne are the puppeteers.

  46. johanna

    Meanwhile, back in Europe – a lot of people sobbing alone into flat champagne. Farage has trashed both Labor and the Conservatives. In Hungary and the rest of Eastern Europe, nationalist parties have decisively won.

    French politics is far too complicated for an outsider, so I will pass. German politics is slightly more comprehensible, but only just.

    The voters have delivered a blowtorch to selected parts of their countries’ parties’ anatomies.

    If, as we learn in Marketing 101, you are selling the sizzle …

  47. memoryvault

    due to pressure by and fear of the green/red loons and their ceaseless campaigns on the issue.

    Aah, fear of the Greens – who held how many seats in the HoR at the time?

  48. Infidel Tiger

    Tom, your yearning for proper Grik food highlights my point. Wherever you live, there are numerous Italian restaurants, but not Grik ones. Why is that?

    George Colambaris is now worth tens if millions thanks to his Greek restaurants.

  49. memoryvault

    The inflyence of tge Slime via Their ABC and the rest of the MSM is totally pernicious.

    Oh I see.
    That would explain the landslide victory Labor and the Greens enjoyed in the election just held.
    Now I understand everything. Thanks for that.

  50. Leigh Lowe

    Roberto

    #3028050, posted on May 28, 2019 at 10:57 am

    My organisation has just had a ‘celebration’ for National Reconciliation Week. None of my team felt the need to attend.

    Ha, ha.
    I no longer just ignore the broadcast appointment requests to the morning tea for WreckinSillyAshun or Multi-Culti or whatever.
    I click the “Decline” button with a one word response… “Busy”.
    And I am a hourly-rate consultant.
    I could happily get paid 1 or 2 hours a week to eat party pies and listen to bullshit.

  51. rickw

    I saw something (maybe Instapundit) which said that the Galilee Basin coal deposit is larger than the British Isles.

    FMD. Amazing.

    No wonder the Greenies want to shut it down … too much winning!

    If it’s the one I’m thinking of, it starts just north of Brisbane and ends just south of Townsville. Huge.

  52. Stimpson J. Cat

    People really shouldn’t advocate for killing other people unless they are prepared to do it themselves publicly, and in front of their own friends, acquaintances, and family.
    After all, there is no shame in it, and it is a necessary service, right?

  53. rickw

    George Colambaris is now worth tens if millions thanks to his Greek restaurants.

    And cookbooks as to. Quite decent fare at George’s restaurants.

  54. Leigh Lowe

    George Colambaris is now worth tens if millions thanks to his Greek restaurants.

    Charging $15 for tablespoon of “traditional Grik dip” (made in a 500 litre vat in Dandenong) certainly helps.
    Oh, and short-paying wages also contributes.

  55. Diogenes

    FFS the next Federal Election isn’t until mid-2022. By then – one way or the other – Adani will be sorted out and ancient history. It won’t be an issue in the next campaign.

    You wish !
    Wallarah 2 in the beautiful Wyong Shire has been dragging on for 25 years , approved, appealed, resubmitted, approved, appealed, approved, sued (and lost)

    The Feds finally approved it on 19/2 now its “The Federal EPBC approval comprises 31 key conditions with over 90 detailed sub-conditions. It follows on from the main NSW Government approval already granted in January 2018.
    The project will continue to move forward with detailed design and feasibility work, including advancing further routine permitting and business development requirements.”

    These last will keep the project from starting for another 25 years as the misnamed Australian Coal Alliance keeps taking them to court.

    Because Adani is supposed to directly impact the reef, wait until UNESCO and the UN weigh in, there will be a HC challenge in that for sure

  56. thefrolickingmole

    Bloody spam machine is awful.

    Read this.
    Bad.
    Funny.
    Obvious outcome of stupid actions.

    ‘We can’t give in’: the Birmingham school on the frontline of anti-LGBT protests

  57. thefrolickingmole

    Ok no link because it mentions Ottoman.

    Google it if you want.

    Ok this is awful/funny.

    RTWT heres some samples of its stupidity and very much in the vein of “Tolerating intolerance” is a losing game.

    ‘We can’t give in’: the Birmingham school on the frontline of anti-LGBT protests

    Sarah Hewitt-Clarkson is crying. The headteacher at Anderton Park primary school in Birmingham has suffered eight weeks of protests outside her school gates over her decision to teach LGBT-inclusive content to her young pupils, the vast majority of whom are Ottoman. After repeatedly putting on a brave face when I ask her how she is feeling, she finally admits: “I am in despair”, and then breaks down. She is struggling for control as she continues: “I know one of the phrases that’s associated with domestic abuse is the crushing of the spirit of a woman. And that’s what I feel is happening. We can’t give in.”

    Her voice trembles with emotion. She has been having sleepless nights, she says, worrying about the impact of the protests on her staff and pupils, and has received threatening messages telling her to “watch her back”.

    “I am quite resilient to these things but other people, who are more concerned for my safety, are worried I may come to harm.”

    She had a particularly difficult week last week. Police were called last Sunday after LGBT-inclusivity campaigners and their children were pelted with eggs for tying supportive messages and rainbow ribbons on to her school gates. The following day, Hewitt-Clarkson estimates, about half the children at the school were withdrawn from lessons by parents. She believes many were intimidated by protesters who stood guard on the roads that led to the school, and says they were telling parents: “If you take your kids to school today, you’re not a Ottoman and you’ll burn in hell.” On Friday, the school closed at noon so that the children would not have to put up with a highly publicised “national protest” taking place outside their classrooms. “Our children, our choice”, a video shows around 200 protesters shouting. “Let kids be kids! Listen to parents!”

    However they know what the real problem is.
    Its those damn right wingers who are being proven correct in their predictions…

    They say: ‘you must listen to families because we are nearly all Ottoman and you must do what we say.’ If you take that to its logical conclusion, there are areas not far from my school with a lot of far-right parents. What if they say: get rid of all books with brown people in them because white people are superior?”

    Even directly confronted with an obvious outcome of their stupidity their reflex reaction is to erect a “white man” strawman and flog it.
    They are deranged.

    Also its worth mentioning this has come about because Mays government has mandated it.

    In 2010 this was enough…
    2010: The Equality Act
    Offers legal protection for people against discrimination, harassment and victimisation in the workplace and wider society, based on nine protected characteristics: age, disability, gender reassignment, marriage and civil partnership, pregnancy and maternity, race, religion or belief, sex and sexual orientation.

    In 2019 for some odd reason instead it has to be “educated” into the kids from the ages of 4 up.
    2017: Children and Social Work Act
    Requires relationships and sex education to be taught in all English schools from September 2020. In primaries, children will learn about subjects including families, friendships, relationships and being safe online, including characteristics of healthy family life.

  58. cuckoo

    BBC is going to ludicrous lengths to say something negative about Trump’s visit to Japan. Because there are presumably no violent protests against his presence in the country, which would get wall-to-wall coverage, they are reduced to the following: yesterday, some anonymous translated voxpop from a woman who was inconvenienced by Trump’s motorcade; today, Japanese schoolchildren forced to stand in 32-degree heat awaiting Trump. Are there no cruelties to which this monster will not descend? He’s practically Colonel Saito (Bridge on the River Kwai)!

  59. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Mater
    #3027904, posted on May 28, 2019 at 8:03 am
    …as many mentions as ‘Bowel Cancer’, ‘Bird Flu’ and ‘Shitting Blood’.

    I can’t keep up! I need an app to read out the comments and, when necessary, dictate mine! Say, with the voice of Sean Connery or Richard Harris turn-about, in their best Shakespearean tones reading out the pros and cons of flu injections, the problem with oil leaks and the griks etc etc. Or Bill Hunter, doing his best BHP voice, tackling the discussion on sea gull behaviour. That way I can keep on top of you lot while doing what I’m doing, as well as stay up to date with the serious stuff posted by the real experts on this blog!

  60. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Forgot to say, but dead silence on anything post about somewhere 50 years ago…

  61. Leigh Lowe

    reading out the pros and cons of flu injections, the problem with oil leaks and the griks etc etc. Or Bill Hunter, doing his best BHP voice, tackling the discussion on sea gull behaviour. That way I can keep on top of you lot while doing what I’m doing, as well as stay up to date with the serious stuff posted by the real experts on this blog!

    You seem to be suggesting that “men with leaky gaskets” is not core business of Catallaxy.
    You’re new around these parts, aren’t you?

  62. John Constantine

    COI comet ridge and VEN vintage announced on the asx today further progress on their Galillee basin coal gas project.

    The unconventional coal gas of the Galillee basin is even being talked of as being a solution to the politically created gas crisis in yarragrad and south australia. Insane, but that is socialism at work.

  63. Mother Lode

    I just got dragged into a presentation – not realising that it was about ‘Reconciliation’.

    For the love of…

    First the woman presenting told us how, until the 1967 referendum, Aborigines were not counted in the census but were counted as flora and fauna. Then she told us that the day after she voted in the referendum she was kicked out of her hotel for not being a citizen.

    Then her brother came up and told us that he was part of the stolen generation – he had been adopted out at 3 weeks.

    The rest of the thing was just as bad. The magnificence of Bennelong’s second wife for whom she is lobbying to have a statue built at Bennelong point so she can welcome people coming in on ships. No mention of the welts and bruises. How much Aborigines have contributed to our culture – it is a two way street, don’t you know. How much of our history is Aboriginal. Bit of a sly dig at the current government, but grateful for Whitlam.

    And so on.

  64. Mater

    People really shouldn’t advocate for killing other people unless they are prepared to do it themselves publicly, and in front of their own friends, acquaintances, and family.
    After all, there is no shame in it, and it is a necessary service, right?

    Done it before. I suffer no shame. It is a necessary service, yes.

  65. calli

    Someone needs to remind him that they have the wireless up there, and they might be listening.
    Albo is screwed on this one.
    His seat is safe Liars, with 51% first preference, but running second were the Watermelons on 22%.

    The Warringah result must have set the cat among the pigeons, surely.

    All it takes will be a bucket of GetUp money and someone a teenie bit more attractive than Charismatic Albo. And Grayndler will go a nice shade of Independent Chartreuse.

  66. Leigh Lowe

    Forgot to say, but dead silence on anything post about somewhere 50 years ago…

    I am convinced that the return of the SpudNik was either a vain attempt to sell his work of fiction, or to gloat upon Pieman’s elevation to the Lodge.
    Batting 2 for zip by the looks of it.

  67. John Constantine

    https://www.australianmining.com.au/news/lng-exports-spike-to-another-qld-record/

    Australia is set to move ahead of Qatar as the world’s single largest gas exporter by the end of the decade, according to the Australian Government’s latest Resources and Energy Quarterly for December 2018.

    Australia is forecast to export 78 million tonnes of LNG in 2019–20, up 16 million tonnes from the 62 million tonnes recorded in 2017–18.

    The report said Australia’s LNG exports were forecast to increase from $31 billion in 2017–18 to $50 billion in 2018–19.

    Prices are then set to ease by 2019–20, in line with the findings of previous reports ($42.4 billion in the June 2018 quarterly).

    China’s large purchase of Queensland LNG exports is on pace with national plans to increase its use of gas as part of its energy supply from the current rate of 7 per cent to between 8–10 per cent by 2020.

  68. Stimpson J. Cat

    Done it before. I suffer no shame. It is a necessary service, yes.

    In front of your kids, friends, and family?
    Publicly?
    I think not.
    There should be no difference if it is necessary.

  69. Feelthebern:

    Example, where each batch is manufactured, when, how old it is, which strains are the vaccine targeting, when did “they” decide which strains to vaccinate against.
    I’m pro vaccination.
    But where is the transparency?

    Our reptilian overlords have devised the flu vaccine as an antidote to the death virus in the Tetanus Immunoglobulin which you all got when you were little kiddies. (Heh heh heh.). They plan to stop production of the blocking agent to allow the Death Virus to kill off most of humanity when the time is right.
    There are some humans to be saved. Thanks to a very sneaky program instituted by The Winston Smith Foundation, large titted blondes will be immune to the DV. Letfards, will, of course, have a particular weakness for the DV and will ooze green slime from every orifice for twenty four hours before succumbing.
    Stay tuned for further developments in the immunity stakes as there will be added benefits for those who make large donations to the WSF.

  70. Mater

    There should be no difference if it is necessary.

    If it is necessary, there isn’t – but that’s just me.
    If it meant saving my family, I’d do it in front of them in a heartbeat.
    By extension, judiciously applied capital punishment might very well save my family (or someone else’s).

  71. notafan

    Reluctantly ringing council about something, I find i can go to a’ growing food in an urban setting’ workshop or get a free something something assessment

    good to know how the $2000 plus rates I pay PA are being so wisely spent.

  72. Stimpson J. Cat

    By extension, judiciously applied capital punishment might very well save my family (or someone else’s).

    Might?
    Might is right?
    This is a reason.

  73. calli

    The Glamorous One will need more front pages like this if he is to survive.

  74. John64

    These last will keep the project from starting for another 25 years as the misnamed Australian Coal Alliance keeps taking them to court.

    I might be completely misreading this, but you’d reckon Adani will walk if Pony Girl doesn’t get her sh^t together in the next few weeks.

    Which would guarantee more Qld Liars wipeouts in the 2019 (State) and 2022 (Federal) elections.

  75. Mater

    Might is right?

    No.
    We are talking about convicted perpetrators of heinous murders. There is no might involved.

    The might comes into it, as such:

    1. It MIGHT stop him/her doing it again, and
    2. It MIGHT deter someone from doing it in the first place.

  76. Mater

    1. It MIGHT stop him/her doing it again

    Actually, I’ll revise this one.

    It MOST CERTAINLY would stop him/her doing it again.

  77. Slim Cognito

    good to know how the $2000 plus rates I pay PA are being so wisely spent.

    Wait until your local council wants to declare a “climate emergency”, advocates to change Australia Day or actively supports “[email protected] marriage”, none of which fall within their remit. You will wish they went back to food growing workshops.

  78. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    WA police fly the flag for Aboriginal community
    Rourke Walsh
    The West Australian
    Tuesday, 28 May 2019 2:00AM
    Rourke Walsh

    Aboriginal flags will fly permanently at all WA police stations as part of a new plan to better support officers and improve the force’s relationship with indigenous people.

    WA Police Commissioner Chris Dawson will today launch his Reconciliation Action Plan at a “Dandjoo” — a Noongar word for gathering — that brings together Aboriginal police officers from across the State.

    It comes almost a year after Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander flags were flown outside WA Police Headquarters for the first time when Mr Dawson made an historic apology to Aboriginal people for their treatment by the State’s police.

    Other strategies to be unveiled in the plan include acknowledging Aboriginal people as traditional owners in displays at all police facilities, investigating whether to have Aboriginal language lessons for officers and increasing the percentage of Aboriginal police who are recruited and retained.

    Aboriginal artwork and plaques will also be displayed at specific police facilities, officers will make more visits to Aboriginal communities and a business case will be undertaken for increasing understanding of Aboriginal culture.

  79. notafan

    Marine Le Pen’s far-right National Rally (RN) party has beaten an alliance from French President Emmanuel Macron in the European elections in France, according to final results from the country’s Interior Ministry.

    Le Pen’s RN, which is a rebranding of the National Front, won 23.31% of the vote versus 22.41% from Macron’s La République En Marche-led alliance known as Renaissance.

    In 2014, the then National Front won with 24.86% of the vote.

    Greens have done better, voter turn out up but still a miserable 50%

    In other words 50% of french people don’t care about the EU parliament

    Last French presidential elections saw turnouts of over 75%

    Le Pen slightly down on her 2014 results

  80. notafan

    I ain’t moving to Brunswick Slim

  81. calli

    Delta, when you get your new and improved pin, attach one of those little electronic music buttons to it. Press it and music plays.

    You can get all sorts of tunes on them but the one I recommend is “Jingle Bells”.

  82. johanna

    I’ve never had a flu vaccine, and hardly ever had the flu.

    That said, the Queanbeyan Riverside Plaza, where I mostly shop, is like a TB ward in winter. It is full of coughing, spluttering adults, but worst of all, mucous emiting children.

    I’ve had serious flu once or twice. My advice is – stay in bed as much as possible, consume Berocca and bacon and eggs, and whisky.

    And sleep, as much as possible. Get up, have a wee, fry an egg and eat it on bread, then go back to bed and sleep.

    This old moll hasn’t survived this long with large scale this and that without learning a thing or two.

    Oh, and Berocca, the B+C one. At least one a day. Magic.

    Good luck.

  83. Bruce of Newcastle

    Interesting roundup of recent elections.

    I’m amused that Stan Grant (who Ms Glick cites) has now been promoted to “Australian professor and media analyst”. Maybe all journalists should be professors!

    Unfortunately Prof. Grant, for a professor he apparently now is, managed to get his lefty propaganda past the usually eagle-eyed Ms Glick by selling her on the idea that “[Folau] wrote a disparaging post about homosexuals on his Facebook page”. He did no such thing.

    Otherwise yes, a fine summary of the awfully deplorable results of recent elections!

  84. Mater

    Anyway Stimps, it’s never going to be reintroduced in this country, so we can end this by agreeing to disagree – as we’ve done several times in the past.

  85. areff

    Killing people in a hot war is, I think, a bit different from the the drawn-out, step-by-step legal process that leads an individual to the gallows.

    Consider: Peter Walker and Ronald Ryan escaped Pentridge, during which escapade a warder was shot and killed. On the run, Peter Walker shot and killed a criminal associate (in the men’s toilet block on Beaconsfield parade) in fear that he would inform.

    Ryan was hanged for the heat of the moment warder’s death, despite a good deal of evidence suggesting the fatal bullet came from a fellow warder.

    Walker did his extra time and was released to resume a criminal career.

    The state quite deliberately went after Ryan, even though Walker was far more deserving of the noose.

    That’s what I mean about trusting the state. Few of us do in any other areas of our lives. To cede to the state the power of life and death and the right to impose it with what amounts to caprice and inconsistency is just wrong.

  86. memoryvault

    Might is right?
    This is a reason.

    Stimpy, there would be a lot less support for capital punishment and a lot more support for life imprisonment, if life imprisonment actually meant anything remotely like the name implies.

    Unfortunately it doesn’t. In this country today people convicted of horrific premeditated murder can be out walking the streets again in less than ten years.

  87. Up The Workers!

    Good to see the A.L.P. finally sorting out their Leadership arrangements for the next several years.

    So while ‘Sco-Mo’ is now the unchallenged spokesman of the Liberal Party on all matters, all future A.L.P. policy announcements will now Officially be made AnAl-ly.

    For all those who previously unkindly speculated that the A.L.P. often spoke through its Khyber Pass when announcing matters of policy, they will now be doing so Officially through their new Leader, ‘An-Al’.

    If you thought A.L.P. policy was crap before, you ain’t heard nothing yet!

  88. notafan

    Can I just point out Ted Bundy was executed.

    He also make a last minute confession after about 10 years on death row.

    I watched the Innocent Man series on netflix a couple of weeks ago, one man was only five days from execution before they got a stay, after he and his alleged accomplish had spent twelve years in prison their sentences were overturned

    DNA (not available at the time) proving both their innocence and the guilt of another (who had been a witness for the prosecution) who had apparently been dealing drugs with local police and protected.

    Back in the 1940s in the UK it was around three weeks from conviction to hanging.

    Given the parlous state of our politicized police and prosecution services I am firmly against the death penalty.

  89. calli

    So while ‘Sco-Mo’ is now the unchallenged spokesman of the Liberal Party on all matters, all future A.L.P. policy announcements will now Officially be made AnAl-ly.

    Can’t be right. She’s the Member for Cowan.

  90. Mater

    Killing people in a hot war is, I think, a bit different from the the drawn-out, step-by-step legal process that leads an individual to the gallows.

    I see your point, but I’d think the drawn-out legal process was far more likely to result in a ‘just’ finding as opposed to disintegrating a fellow citizen because you assume they are personally chopping off heads, raping and pillaging.

    Either way, the state retains the power of life and death unless we disband the military and disarm the police.

  91. John Constantine

    Testpattern favourite BRU buru energy goes for a run after it discloses Twiggy holds just under five percent of them.

    https://thewest.com.au/business/energy/andrew-forrest-stake-in-oil-and-gas-junior-buru-energy-confirmed-ng-b881212385z

    Think he has a cattle station around that area.

    Shareholdings do not have do be declared to the ASX until they exceed 5 per cent.

    Buru’s shares rose 26 per cent last Friday after a media report that Forrest had acquired a stake.

    The company paused trading in it shares today before answering the ASX query. They closed up 2¢, or 6.4 per cent, to 33¢.

    Buru produces oil and holds gas exploration assets in the Canning Basin which may need to be extracted by fracking if developed.

    Mr Forrest, chairman and founder of Fortescue Metals Group, has become increasingly interested in the energy sector.

    His Squadron Energy is part of a consortium proposing to develop an LNG import terminal at Port Kembla in NSW.

    Australia gone so socialist that we ban gas exploration and give the unions contracts to build and operate gas import terminals.

    Comrade Maaaaaates.

  92. memoryvault

    Sage advice, Johanna.
    To which a would add a cuppa made with the juice of a lemon, a large teaspoon of honey, and topped up with hot water. It has magical properties.

  93. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    First the woman presenting told us how, until the 1967 referendum, Aborigines were not counted in the census but were counted as flora and fauna. Then she told us that the day after she voted in the referendum she was kicked out of her hotel for not being a citizen.

    And she was allowed to get away with spreading this old bullshyte?

  94. notafan

    Unfortunately it doesn’t. In this country today people convicted of horrific premeditated murder can be out walking the streets again in less than ten years.

    As far as I know there is always a minimum period in Victoria, there is no informal time reduction for good behaviour etc -that was abolished in the 1980s

    murder sentencing stats victoria

  95. Leigh Lowe

    I see your point, but I’d think the drawn-out legal process was far more likely to result in a ‘just’ finding as opposed to disintegrating a fellow citizen because you assume they are personally chopping off heads, raping and pillaging.

    And, in either case, the subject party is just as dead.

  96. cohenite

    Dr Faustus

    #3027985, posted on May 28, 2019 at 9:59 am

    I saw something (maybe Instapundit) which said that the Galilee Basin coal deposit is larger than the British Isles.

    That’s about correct.

    However most of the coal measures are deep and lie directly underneath the lowest aquifer in the Great Artesian Basin and will never be mined. The part with The Mines That Will End The World is a little area at the southeast edge.

    Australia has coal enough to last centuries. Water on top of a coal seam does not prohibit its development; most of the underground Hunter Valley mines have water, and gas, everywhere. You just work around it.

    In the world has coal to last centuries with enormous reserves discovered off the coast of England.

    Technology is also increasing the coal reserves: HELE technology (not carbon capture bullshit) involves burning the coal at higher temperatures with more energy produced and less by-product (including CO2 unfortunately).

    The only thing stopping this ticket to world prosperity are the left generally and the filth specifically who want to use power as means to achieving power.

  97. John Constantine

    Awaiting the Ballarat lambs report with interest.

    Yesterday’s Bendigo lambs.

    Lamb supply remained similar, while sheep numbers continue to tighten off an already low base. The market for quality processor lambs was exceptional this week, with agents, farmers and even buyers themselves describing prices as “unbelievable” and the dearest they had ever seen. On a dollar per head basis the bulk of the lambs sold above $200/head, with carcase estimates for the main runs of medium and heavy trade weight lambs pushing into new levels of 900c to 1,000c/kg cwt. Not all buyers operated fully, but intense competition from a small number of processors that appeared short of numbers created the much dearer trend. Prices for plain and light weight lambs were also carried higher by the push to fill orders.

  98. Stimpson J. Cat

    Anyway Stimps, it’s never going to be reintroduced in this country, so we can end this by agreeing to disagree – as we’ve done several times in the past.

    Of course.
    You are hardly going to kill me for agreeing to disagree with you, are you my friend?
    😁

  99. cohenite

    The AEC has given the LNP 78 seats with only Macquarie still in play with the liars behind.

  100. Stimpson J. Cat

    Now if we are going to talk about bringing in the death penalty for being annoying, however,
    I stand firmly against this.
    😁

  101. Mater

    Of course.
    You are hardly going to kill me for agreeing to disagree with you, are you my friend?
    😁

    I’m feeling magnanimous…no.
    😉

  102. memoryvault

    As far as I know there is always a minimum period in Victoria, there is no informal time reduction for good behaviour etc -that was abolished in the 1980s

    True as far as it goes, Nota, but here and in WA at least, prison time is not the same as ordinary time. For instance the last time I faced a prison here in QLD Saturdays counted as time and half, and Sundays as double time.

    So, provided you were in for the whole weekend – from before midday Friday, and were still locked up first thing Monday morning, you had accrued –

    Friday = 1 day
    Saturday = 1.5 days
    Sunday = 2 days
    Monday = 1 day.

    You could be home by 10.00 am Monday morning having officially served five and a half days.

  103. Roberto

    cohenite
    #3028139, posted on May 28, 2019 at 12:25 pm
    The AEC has given the LNP 78 seats with only Macquarie still in play with the liars behind.

    A margin of 40 votes. ‘wafer thin’ indeed!

  104. John64

    The AEC has given the LNP 78 seats with only Macquarie still in play with the liars behind.

    And the more pre-poll/postal votes get counted; the greater the LNP’s 2PP margin becomes.

    Now 51.70% / 48.30%. Almost a landslide!

  105. Leigh Lowe

    cohenite
    #3028139, posted on May 28, 2019 at 12:25 pm
    The AEC has given the LNP 78 seats with only Macquarie still in play with the liars behind.

    Only by 40 votes in Macquarie, so I am sure the very best AEC vote whisperers will go to work on the recount.
    The very worst result (if Macquarie flips) is …
    LNP … 77
    Liars … 68

    KAP … 1
    Greens … 1
    Xenophobes … 1
    The 3 “Independent” Amigos … 3.
    In other words 76 after providing a speaker vs “the rest” of 74.

    Now with 151 seats, if one LNP crosses the floor, the speaker still has a casting vote.

  106. Leigh Lowe

    And the more pre-poll/postal votes get counted; the greater the LNP’s 2PP margin becomes.
    Now 51.70% / 48.30%. Almost a landslide!

    Are you sure?
    SpudNik insisted that the Liars were miles in front.

  107. notafan

    That was a long time ago MV

    You made a sweeping statement about premeditated murder convictions.
    You were wrong

  108. Boambee John

    memoryvault
    #3028078, posted on May 28, 2019 at 11:17 am
    The inflyence of tge Slime via Their ABC and the rest of the MSM is totally pernicious.

    Oh I see.
    That would explain the landslide victory Labor and the Greens enjoyed in the election just held.
    Now I understand everything. Thanks for that.

    Peter

    I am quite certain that you are aware of the drumbeat of green propaganda in the media. The reality is that virtually all politicians fear the ability of the media to beat up a campaign against any who are seen as heretics. Once isolatec and targetted, they become vulnerable.

    We might bemoan the cowardice of the pollies, but that is the reality they face.

    See Warringah, Wentworth and seme rural “independent” campaigns for the real effects.

  109. memoryvault

    Technology is also increasing the coal reserves: HELE technology (not carbon capture bullshit) involves burning the coal at higher temperatures with more energy produced

    True enough, Cohenite.
    However the biggest energy efficiency gains in the HELE process (45% versus 31%) comes from the fact that the steam is not condensed back to water each time around the circuit.

  110. memoryvault

    That was a long time ago MV

    Whatever you say, Nota.
    I’m impressed that you could contact the Corrections Departments in six states and two territories to verify the facts so quickly.

  111. dover_beach

    All of the reasons people have presented against CP can be used against imprisonment ( the time lost while imprisoned is not recoverable). Ted Bundy serves as an excellent example of the justice of CP; anything less for his crimes would have not been proportionate.

  112. notafan

    Unfortunately it doesn’t. In this country today people convicted of horrific premeditated murder can be out walking the streets again in less than ten years.

    There is your sweeping statement

    I gave you links to mandatory minimum sentencing and the website that tracks all sentencing in Australia

    I was already aware of the mandatory minimums before I went looking

    One punch killers get a mandatory minimum of eight years but you would have us believe that those convicted of ‘horrific premediated murder’ can be walking the streets in under ten years.

  113. memoryvault

    We might bemoan the cowardice of the pollies, but that is the reality they face.

    All true, John.
    Which is why I pushed so hard to promote the idea of voting the sitting member last, regardless of party. Individual politicians prefer to be part of the “winning team”, but at the end of the day their main, overwhelming concern is keeping their own, individual snouts in the generous public trough.

  114. notafan

    DB

    doesn’t that assume that being dead is more or less the same as being in prison?

    I don’t think it is

  115. Zatara

    BBC is going to ludicrous lengths to say something negative about Trump’s visit to Japan.

    Possibly not as far as some this time. Ian Bremmer, a CNN and MSNBC regular, decided to liven his reporting up by inventing a Trump quote and posting it on twatter.

    President Trump in Tokyo: “Kim Jong Un is smarter and would make a better President than Sleepy Joe Biden.”
    — ian bremmer (@ianbremmer) May 26, 2019

    Once confronted about it online by a Washington Examiner reporter, Bremmer admitted it was false, though he said it “could be plausible.”

    He then deleted the post and tried to say it was a joke. When that didn’t fly he decided it was “a comment on the state of media and the twitterverse today.” Indeed it is Ian.

  116. memoryvault

    I gave you links to mandatory minimum sentencing and the website that tracks all sentencing in Australia

    I’m not going down this road again with you Nota. Suffice to say “minimum sentence” is a legal term enshrined in legislation and imposed by a judge in a court of law, and how the various Depts of Corrections actually count physical time are two entirely different things.

  117. notafan

    and how the various Depts of Corrections actually count physical time are two entirely different things

    Fantasy

  118. notafan

    You need to present actual evidence, not a mere personal anecdote, that the DoCs in various states thwart the legal system by double and triple counting days

  119. EvilElvis

    Makes me the third.

    I feel a 1920s style photo shoot is at hand. Machine guns and styling straight out of ‘Untouchables’, feet propped on Custards body, sprawled on the floor in front of us, safari style.

  120. zyconoclast

    Meanwhile, back in Europe – a lot of people sobbing alone into flat champagne. Farage has trashed both Labor and the Conservatives. In Hungary and the rest of Eastern Europe, nationalist parties have decisively won.

    The real test will be at the next UK general election.
    Will the Brexit Party succeed using FPP rather than the EU version of proportional voting.

  121. rickw

    Given the parlous state of our politicized police and prosecution services I am firmly against the death penalty.

    Would you make an exception for treason?

  122. notafan

    Same problem Rickw

    especially as it will be us being convicted

  123. Bruce of Newcastle

    The real test will be at the next UK general election.

    The story isn’t the Brexit Party. It is the total destruction wreaked by May upon the Conservative Party.

    If Boris gets the leadership it would not be surprising if May’s wet faction spit the dummy and vote with the Labour Party in a no confidence motion, rather than allow Boris a chance to rebuild the party. If that occurs the Tories will be just about obliterated and Labour will be in charge.

    That it is conceivable that the leftist wing of the Conservative Party could so destroy their own party is breathtaking.

    Here in Australia ScoMo needs to gain control of the Liberal Party from the lefty faceless men and pull it into line with the deplorable voters. Or the Libs will go the same way as the Tories.

  124. zyconoclast

    I am quite certain that you are aware of the drumbeat of green propaganda in the media. The reality is that virtually all politicians fear the ability of the media to beat up a campaign against any who are seen as heretics. Once isolatec and targetted, they become vulnerable.

    The Greens are used as the excuse. Boogeyman style.
    They are not the reason.

  125. sprawled on the floor in front of us, safari style.

    Taxidermy?

    Are going to mount him?

  126. thefrolickingmole

    George Orwell said in a letter of October 1938: “What sickens me about left-wing people, especially the intellectuals, is their utter ignorance of the way things actually happen. I was always struck by this when I was in Burma and used to read anti-imperialist stuff.”

    Orwell hated the right. But he really, really hated the left as well.

  127. EvilElvis

    Are going to mount him?

    We’re not called the Dirty Three™ for nothing…

  128. Mark A

    Doha transit lounge, good coffee, internet slower than walking pace.

    Very quiet all round, nothing of the usual traveling crowd.

  129. Bar Beach Swimmer

    You seem to be suggesting that “men with leaky gaskets” is not core business of Catallaxy.

    But Sean Connery et al., would make it sound like it was.

  130. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Doha transit lounge, good coffee, internet slower than walking pace.

    Far superior to Dubai…

  131. Stimpson J. Cat

    the justice of Capital Punishment

    Yes but should we be executing Women for abortion?
    Is this really a good idea?
    Discuss.

  132. None

    That’s what I mean about trusting the state. Few of us do in any other areas of our lives. To cede to the state the power of life and death and the right to impose it with what amounts to caprice and inconsistency is just wrong.

    I have no moral objection to capital punishment for a capital crime. But I oppose death penalties precisely because of the risk of excuring an innocent which is the gratest crime of all. Never will Inagree to it for that reason alone and human nature is my rock solid defense. We would have executed Lindy Chamberlain. We have an innocent cardinal in jail.

    We already hand over life and death to the state. We permit people to kill pur unborn. Ehatbcrime were they guilty of? Next week the first batch of Victoria government trained doctors will recieve their certificates authorising them to kill citizens. Yes Victorian and fed taxes were used to train doctors to kill citizens. I can tell you now not a single one of them has undergone any psychiatric or other assessment as to even of they should be near a terminally ill patient but I can guarantee you at least one of them got a boner thinking about his newfound government approved power to kill. Not just a tingle in the leg. You heard it here first. And I will tell you he won’t be alone. Victoria, sleepwalking to hell.

  133. zyconoclast

    DHS: ‘100 %’ Border Crossers with Children Being Released into U.S., Given Work Permits

    21 second video

  134. thefrolickingmole

    Yes but should we be executing Women for abortion?

    Are we back talking about haunted vaginas again?

    Theres someone for everyone Stimps, unfortunately yours didnt make it out…

  135. dover_beach

    Dover I read that the young woman was Greek. I don’t think they would have been happy to have had their daughter on the streets taking drugs and beaten to death. The fact that she was also known to the police is telling. I for one am not going to blame the parents. She was 25. And they’ve already caught the murderer.

    I’m not suggesting the parents are to blame, I’m wondering about the circumstances/ conditions which lead her to sleep rough, avoid her family, etc.

  136. max

    Thanks, Tom, for the Danny O’Brien podcast.

    I hear they’re preparing for ‘the coldest May day in twenty years’ in your neck of the woods. Snowing there yet ?

  137. zyconoclast

    Prince Charles Misused Influence to Shield Cleric, Abuse Inquiry Reports

    Prince Charles misused his influence to shield Peter Ball, a former Anglican bishop and old friend, from punishment after the cleric had admitted s3xually abusing a young novice, an independent inquiry found this week.

    In an unusually tough rebuke of the future king, the inquiry concluded that “the actions of the Prince of Wales were misguided.”

    “He should have recognized the potential effect that his apparent support for Peter Ball could have had upon decision-making within Lambeth Palace,” the headquarters of the Anglican Church, concluded the Independent Inquiry Into Child S3xual Abuse, which was led by a professor of social work, Alexis Jay.

    The prince has expressed “deep personal regret” that he was deceived by Mr. Ball, and said he had not been aware that any abuse had taken place.

  138. thefrolickingmole

    Also nobody click on the haunted vagina link unless they want their sanity tested by what is possibly the weirdest thing on the internet at the moment (And safe to look at).

  139. The Lunar Space Station.
    So it will be unmanned for quite a bit of time.
    What’s to prevent some other nation from sending up their own crew and saying “Thanks for the orbiting module, we’ll keep it. And we’ve put a .50 cal turret on it if you’re thinking of taking it back.”

  140. max

    Cardinal Pell’s appeal gets under way tomorrow.

    The ABC suggesting this morning that the sentence is not being appealed because the defence may be worried a longer prison term may result if it fails. The implication is that he’s guilty and doesn’t want to push his luck. It’s fortunate we have mind readers working as journos now.

  141. Entropy

    Leigh Lowe
    #3028145, posted on May 28, 2019 at 12:35 pm
    cohenite
    #3028139, posted on May 28, 2019 at 12:25 pm
    The AEC has given the LNP 78 seats with only Macquarie still in play with the liars behind.

    Only by 40 votes in Macquarie, so I am sure the very best AEC vote whisperers will go to work on the recount.

    And sure enough, now the ALP are 27 ahead!

  142. Tom

    Not snowing yet, Max, but the first time I can remember home heating going flat out in the middle of the day in May. This July-August weather.

  143. Mother Lode

    In Hungary and the rest of Eastern Europe, nationalist parties have decisively won.

    Get with the lingo. They are Far Right parties.

    People who believe in things like traditional marriage, borders, freedom of speech, the individual, that boys have a penis and girls have a vagina – you know, the stuff that was considered natural and obvious for centuries, well they are on the edges of society.

    The people who in the last 20 years or so staked out new positions completely at odds to that which prevailed for untold generations are middle of the road. The people who didn’t change have become extremists.

    What? Do I have to draw you a frickin’ picture?

  144. Gilas

    There is talk that Ted Bundy’s executioner was a female.

    Really??
    If so, it would have been the only female executioner in the history of (wo)mankind. Extremely unlikely, methinks., a bit like Aboriginal Astrophysics.

    A reference might be nice..

  145. Leigh Lowe

    That fucking moron James Brown (Trumble’s son-in-law) being suggested to take Arfur’s Senate spot.
    FMD.

  146. Leigh Lowe

    Macquarie now in the Liars column by 27 votes.
    Postals going 56:44 to the Libs, but they are going backwards.
    The vote whisperers are at work.

  147. LNP Insider

    I see Jim Molan has cracked 10,000 below the line votes

    https://tallyroom.aec.gov.au/SenateStateFirstPrefs-24310-NSW.htm

    Molan needed 200 000 votes and to get them he needed workers on every single booth in election day and every day of prepoll. A couple of appearances on Friday night football alongside his daughter may have helped too.

    In fact maybe they should have gone in Lego Masters to cross promote her other shows but also lift his vote.

  148. dover_beach

    doesn’t that assume that being dead is more or less the same as being in prison?

    No, I’m recognizing that both punishments are different and that both, once imposed, involve penalties that cannot be recovered. Pell has lost these days and months while in prison. He doesn’t get them back.

    But this is really nothing compared to the loss of proportionality by taking CP off the table. It’s no surprise that we see low sentences for murder now, between 10 and 20 years, because if we are supposed to give serial killers life, how can it be proportionate to give someone who has murdered a single human being life imprisonment?

  149. Leigh Lowe

    In fact maybe they should have gone in Lego Masters to cross promote her other shows but also lift his vote.

    Willhelm Schorten was quite keen to appear, but it was a big misunderstanding.
    He thought it was called Legover Masters.

  150. dover_beach

    CP should always be available for the most heinous of cases where the evidence is overwhelming.

  151. Mother Lode

    Gawd the dead tree SMH is a mournful whiny rag today.

  152. zyconoclast

    Judge partially blocks Trump border wall plan
    The preliminary injunction halts a $1 billion transfer of Pentagon counterdrug funding toward barrier construction.

  153. P

    That fucking moron James Brown (Trumble’s son-in-law) being suggested to take Arfur’s Senate spot.

    SMH names Michael Hughes (Lucy’s brother) and many others.

    The Guardian lists even more contenders.

  154. Cactus

    It will be fascinating to see where Jim Molan’s vote ends up. At time of writing is 13.6k. I’d like him to get up. I’d like to see more people actively vote below the line in the Senate and choose real candidates. The number 1 and 2 spots on either Labor or LNP tickets is usually a factional hack we would all be better off if they were not in parliament.

  155. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Gawd the dead tree SMH is a mournful whiny rag today.

    They are reduced to giving Red Bandana Man space to flog his latest book.

  156. cohenite

    Good stuff. A 96-year-old World War II veteran performed an unforgettable rendition of the national anthem for the U.S. Women’s soccer team on Sunday.

    Pete DuPre, also known as “Harmonica Pete,” served as a medic during the war in Europe.

  157. Leigh Lowe

    CP should always be available for the most heinous of cases where the evidence is overwhelming.

    That is the point.
    We have a civil standard of proof – “on the balance of probabilities” – and a criminal standard of proof – “beyond reasonable doubt”.
    Perhaps we need a third level for determining whether CP applies, which is something like, say, “virtual certainty of guilt”.
    That would be where there was undeniable identifying CCTV footage, DNA evidence where the DNA of the victim and the perp was inextricably overlayed on a murder weapon, several witness statements from independent and unrelated witnesses given without knowledge of each other’s statements.

  158. Gilas

    Has anyone else’s scrolling finger recovered from the recent overuse and subsequent lactate toxicity?
    The pain was unbearable!

  159. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    That fucking moron James Brown (Trumble’s son-in-law) being suggested to take Arfur’s Senate spot.

    None of Lord Waffle’s revolting breed should be allowed within a mile of the Senate.

  160. Johanna:

    When will any of our politicians stand up for the people they claim to care about?

    Silly girl, Johanna.
    They’re already doing that. What you haven’t worked out is they don’t give a quokkas quoit about the Pensioners.

  161. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    PM earmarks July for $158 billion tax cut package

    Rosie Lewis
    Reporter
    @rosieslewis
    33 minutes ago May 28, 2019
    No Comments

    Scott Morrison is set to put the Coalition’s $158 billion income tax cuts package to the federal parliament in the first week of July, after conceding the return of the election writ was unlikely to occur in time for a June sitting.

    In the first Coalition party room meeting since the Prime Minister won the “miracle” May 18 election, he also warned ministers and backbenchers they could not afford to be complacent.

    Mr Morrison told colleagues the “wealth of talent” in the Liberal and National party ranks would “keep the pressure to perform on all of us”.

    The likely start date for the 46th parliament means the government will be unable to legislate the first stage of its income tax cuts package — which will see Australians earning between $37,000 and $90,000 receive up to $1080 in tax relief — before they are due to kick in from July 1.

    Stressing the need for stability, focus, humility and calm, Mr Morrison said there was likely to be 67 Coalition MPs who had never served in opposition and that was somewhere they should never wish to be because it was a “wasteland”.

    Indicating the Coalition would try and win more Labor seats at the next election, Mr Morrison said it was important to reach into Labor-held electorates to build on the government’s vote and secure future victories.

    Breaking, from the Oz.

  162. Gilas:

    From what’s been written, a jab in the deltoid muscle damaging the radial nerve…
    Damn long, badly mis-directed needle, beyond-grossly-incompetent-criminal-grade GP..
    or solid gold BS!

    Far too few docs and nurses adequately identify the deltoid muscle before giving an injection.
    Yet it is so easy to do.

  163. dover_beach

    Perhaps we need a third level for determining whether CP applies, which is something like, say, “virtual certainty of guilt”.
    That would be where there was undeniable identifying CCTV footage, DNA evidence where the DNA of the victim and the perp was inextricably overlayed on a murder weapon, several witness statements from independent and unrelated witnesses given without knowledge of each other’s statements.

    dot is pretty good on this point. Where the conviction involves multiples lines of corroboration, you don’t need the third standard, you just need the guilty verdict beyond a reasonable doubt, petition from the prosecution and defence re the penalty , and then leave it to the judgment of the presiding judge whether the penalty is appropriate in the circumstances.

  164. notafan

    CP should always be available for the most heinous of cases where the evidence is overwhelming.

    I agree

    I just don’t trust Dan

  165. Stimpson J. Cat

    The Japanese are highly civilised but still recognise the need to execute dirt bags:

    Highly civilised.
    Sure they are.

  166. Dr Faustus

    Australia has coal enough to last centuries. Water on top of a coal seam does not prohibit its development; most of the underground Hunter Valley mines have water, and gas, everywhere. You just work around it.

    This is all quite true in itself.

    You can work coal underneath surface water quite safely providing you don’t create fracture systems that extend from the mine workings to the base of the body of water – and this means you need to be sufficiently deep to allow for the ground effects of the mining method. For example, if you were considering running a longwall under the sea, you would need a minimum cover of ~250m+ to allow for the caving/subsidence and reduce the risk of uncontrollable water flow.

    The problem for the Galilee Basin is that the Rewan Formation, which contains major GAB aquifer sandstones lies right on top of the Betts Creek Beds – which contains the coal seams. Across much of the deeper Galilee, the lowest sandstone member lies within 10’s of metres of the top seam (which also happens to be the main coal resource) – and in places directly on the coal.

    As a further complication, the sandstones within the coal measures themselves are almost certainly hydrologically connected to the GAB aquifers.

    So, away from the basin edge, any underground coal mining attempt would be deep, probably unable to use longwall technology, and face the probability of uncontrollable connection to 2 million-odd sqkm of stacked aquifers filled with scalding hot water.

    And that’s before the screaming starts about endangered skinks and the future of the Solomons.

    As you say, Australia has coal for centuries. And before you get to the Galilee, there are a couple of centuries of much easier options in the Bowen – which has hardly been touched from an underground mining perspective.

  167. stackja

    Leigh Lowe
    #3028212, posted on May 28, 2019 at 2:08 pm
    That fucking moron James Brown (Trumble’s son-in-law) being suggested to take Arfur’s Senate spot.
    FMD.

    Not the “Godfather of Soul”?

  168. DrBeauGan

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3028058, posted on May 28, 2019 at 11:02 am
    I’m a part of the Dirty Three…

    Makes me the third.

    And I’m the fourth. Custard, if the aec counted only three votes for you, they got it wrong.

  169. DrBeauGan

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #3028082, posted on May 28, 2019 at 11:19 am
    People really shouldn’t advocate for killing other people unless they are prepared to do it themselves publicly, and in front of their own friends, acquaintances, and family.
    After all, there is no shame in it, and it is a necessary service, right?

    Count me in.

  170. Leigh Lowe

    From the Age today on the park murder, a description of the (alleged) perp Henry Hammond:-

    The images he projected to the world are spread across three Facebook profiles.

    The earliest, apparently abandoned last year, shows a life before the “tragic and complex” case heard for the first time in Melbourne Magistrates Court yesterday.

    The posts document the birth of a child, an engagement, and an offer of a haircut to his 1300-odd Facebook friends.

    A 2016 post from his then partner to a real estate page described the couple as “easy going, sociable people, who prefer a chill vibe who like a glass of wine or more …”

    He played the saxophone, spent time “hula hooping, knitting things” and “chilling outside”.

    Scrolled through the Facebook pages.
    The overwhelming thread running through his 1,300 FB ‘friends’ is of alternative medicines, hippy faux religions (Buddhism-lite), fillem, arts and music dudes, meditation and yoga types, and featuring lots of cheesecloth, indian beads and a sprinkling of over-exposed bosoms.
    Let’s start there.
    Don’t point the finger at me.
    What did the hippies know and when did they know it?

  171. Entropy

    The problem for the Galilee Basin is that the Rewan Formation, which contains major GAB aquifer sandstones lies right on top of the Betts Creek Beds – which contains the coal seams. Across much of the deeper Galilee, the lowest sandstone member lies within 10’s of metres of the top seam (which also happens to be the main coal resource) – and in places directly on the coal.

    As a further complication, the sandstones within the coal measures themselves are almost certainly hydrologically connected to the GAB aquifers.

    So, away from the basin edge, any underground coal mining attempt would be deep, probably unable to use longwall technology, and face the probability of uncontrollable connection to 2 million-odd sqkm of stacked aquifers filled with scalding hot water.

    Sure, the Galilee edge though, is pretty fricking big. Why would you need to go further west? No one is talking about deep extraction of this basin, it would cost too much in comparison with the cornucopia of cheaper options in Qld, including the eastern edge of the Galilee, as you say. Why is this even being discussed?

  172. Roger

    Here in Australia ScoMo needs to gain control of the Liberal Party from the lefty faceless men and pull it into line with the deplorable voters. Or the Libs will go the same way as the Tories.

    Meanwhile, Maladroit’s son in law and Lucy’s brother are apparently contenders for the vacant NSW senate spot.

  173. Dr Faustus

    Why is this even being discussed?

    cohenite
    #3028136, posted on May 28, 2019 at 12:20 pm

    Next time I’ll check with you first.

  174. Leigh Lowe

    PM earmarks July for $158 billion tax cut package
    Rosie Lewis
    Reporter
    @rosieslewis
    33 minutes ago May 28, 2019
    No Comments
    Scott Morrison is set to put the Coalition’s $158 billion income tax cuts package to the federal parliament in the first week of July, after conceding the return of the election writ was unlikely to occur in time for a June sitting.

    Put it up.
    Don’t negotiate or beg.
    If the Senate knocks it back, put it up again.
    If they knock it back again go all-in with a public campaign naming the pricks in the Senate with their hands in taxpayers pockets.

  175. Johno;

    Ted Bundy, the Anita Cobby murderers etc should be hit on the head and dumped at sea.

    It doesn’t need the knock on the head – the unconscious person drowns fairly quickly.
    No. Dump them at sea in calm weather, film them as they desperately try to stay afloat and let them experience the terror their victims felt as their energy drains away.
    No sympathy from me.

  176. LNP Insider

    The Warringah result must have set the cat among the pigeons, surely.

    All it takes will be a bucket of GetUp money and someone a teenie bit more attractive than Charismatic Albo. And Grayndler will go a nice shade of Independent Chartreuse.

    Advance Australia and the like should get centre right aligned independents who can appear centrist to run in Labor seats. Probably not the inner city, but suburbia where the Labor no longer represents middle class and blue collar values would work.

    Imagine candidates who have a family, are paying a mortgage, go to church and just trying to get ahead in a western Sydney seat like Bowen’s. They could represent aot of conservative policies like low taxes, border security and anti climate change while keeping some blue collar “union” ones like lifting the minimum wage and penalty rates.

    Do to them what they did to Abbott.

  177. Leigh Lowe

    Meanwhile, Maladroit’s son in law and Lucy’s brother are apparently contenders for the vacant NSW senate spot.

    I actually don’t think they are.
    This is just a straw-man campaign to create an alternative to Molan or even Abbott.

    Create a drama, then call it a “damaging impasse” and, lo and behold, up pops a “compromise, moderate candidate” (who, of course, is another Trumble plant).

  178. Not a temperature scale I am familiar with…

    Freeze the b*lls off a tennis court.

  179. cohenite

    So, away from the basin edge, any underground coal mining attempt would be deep, probably unable to use longwall technology, and face the probability of uncontrollable connection to 2 million-odd sqkm of stacked aquifers filled with scalding hot water.

    Bonus, Geothermal! Don’t tell flannery.

    Why is this even being discussed?

    You can never have too much discussion about coal, or guns.

  180. LNP Insider

    Leigh Lowe
    #3028212, posted on May 28, 2019 at 2:08 pm
    That fucking moron James Brown (Trumble’s son-in-law) being suggested to take Arfur’s Senate spot.
    FMD.

    Everyone slow down. Self interested types will be leaking their name even if they don’t have support. In other cases journos will just throw names in and ask a party figure who will congirm it even though they don’t really know.

    Warren Mundine is absolutely the favourite. Fiona Scott another likely contender.

    Molan will be their main threat.

  181. Leigh Lowe

    April Poocock “I will never play with Izzy Folau, evah”
    May Poocock “I quit Super-Rugby and will retire after the RWC.”

  182. candy

    I reckon the Sinodinos/Brown situation probably worked out months ago by Morrison and Malcolm T. Despite all they seem pretty good mates.

  183. Leigh Lowe

    Everyone slow down. Self interested types will be leaking their name even if they don’t have support. In other cases journos will just throw names in and ask a party figure who will congirm it even though they don’t really know.

    Yeah, that has just dawned on me at 2:58 above.
    Although, I don’t see this as journos making shit up.
    I see it as Trumble trying to create a bit of turbulence which can be described as a “crisis generated by right-wing hardliners” which can only be resolved by the appointment of a “compromise candidate” (ie Trumble puppet).

  184. Stimpson J. Cat

    He played the saxophone, spent time “hula hooping, knitting things” and “chilling outside”.

    I am prepared to accept he may have been Mentally Ill.
    I’m sorry but facts don’t care about your feelings.

  185. LNP Insider

    On Albo in Qld – it’s a visit to Longman. It will be about franking credits not Adani and the optics of taking Qld seriously.

  186. Leigh Lowe

    Pleeeease.
    Not the 40 watt bulb Fiona Scott.

  187. calli

    Wouldn’t the sensible thing be to place the next one on the Senate ticket who didn’t get voted in on the 18th? That would be the best demonstration of the peoples’ choice.

  188. Roger:

    Abusus non tollit usum – misuse does not preclude proper use.
    Cases like Mallard’s are not an argument against the death penalty, they are an argument for ferreting out and severely punishing police and public officials who corrupt the criminal justice system and wrongly deprive innocent people of their liberty.

    Thank you, Roger very well put.

  189. custard

    And I’m the fourth. Custard, if the aec counted only three votes for you, they got it wrong.

    And I voted below the line for me too, and so did Mrs C and me Mum and……hopefully a few more.

  190. DrBeauGan

    No, you are Cuban Commie Double Agent Spy returning to your homeland under the guise of cigar hunting to receive new instructions from your hot 30 year old Lambada Dance instructor.
    Tell me this isn’t you.

    OK, you found out about the hot chick. But you’re wrong about the double agent stuff. I’m a neutral contract killer.

    Don’t tell anyone.

  191. Leigh Lowe

    On Albo in Qld – it’s a visit to Longman. It will be about franking credits not Adani and the optics of taking Qld seriously.

    Yes.
    Tactically he wants the Adani decision to be seen as State based.
    It’s up to Palace-chook and Trad to sort it out.

  192. Stimpson J. Cat

    And I voted below the line for me too, and so did Mrs C and me Mum and……hopefully a few more.

    I would have voted for you twice if I had actually seen your Guns before the election.
    Not using that Gravatar image in your publicity was a major tactical error Custard.

  193. Rossini

    Leigh Lowe
    #3028280, posted on May 28, 2019 at 3:06 pm
    I don’t think she is that bright!

  194. Gilas

    Winston Smith
    #3028233, posted on May 28, 2019 at 2:30 pm

    Far too few docs and nurses adequately identify the deltoid muscle before giving an injection.
    Yet it is so easy to do.

    Yep! The largest arm muscle, impossible to miss.
    Weapons-grade negligence in this case, if true.

  195. Stimpson J. Cat

    OK The Women are out of control AGAIN.

    Sarah Silverman
    @SarahKSilverman
    None of the fellas from the 🏀 pickup game today knew I was gushing blood from my vagina the whole time. Which I think possibly makes me a goddamn a hero?
    11:11 AM · May 27, 2019 · Twitter for iPhone
    998
    Retweets
    28.1K
    Likes

  196. Stimpy:

    People really shouldn’t advocate for killing other people unless they are prepared to do it themselves publicly, and in front of their own friends, acquaintances, and family.
    After all, there is no shame in it, and it is a necessary service, right?

    Where do I sign up?
    With people like Milat, I’d want a voucher from Maccas for a Big Brekky, that’s all the payment necessary.
    And yes, why would I feel shame? I would feel shame if I didn’t have the guts to put down a mad dog.

  197. thefrolickingmole

    Where the conviction involves multiples lines of corroboration, you don’t need the third standard, you just need the guilty verdict beyond a reasonable doubt, petition from the prosecution and defence re the penalty , and then leave it to the judgment of the presiding judge whether the penalty is appropriate in the circumstances.

    Id add one more step.

    Civil death, where it requires a vote of Parliament, both houses, to confirm a death penalty, symbolically stripping the person of their rights.

  198. Leigh Lowe

    Rossini
    #3028292, posted on May 28, 2019 at 3:22 pm
    Leigh Lowe
    #3028280, posted on May 28, 2019 at 3:06 pm
    I don’t think she is that bright!

    Frosted 20 watt covered in fly-shit?

  199. memoryvault

    I reckon the Sinodinos/Brown situation probably worked out months ago by Morrison and Malcolm T. Despite all they seem pretty good mates.

    Probably the most correct thing written on the Cat today, Candy.
    Unfortunately there’s still a majority here who think these things are decided by any other factor, other than the pre-ordained plans of the people who actually run the place.

    The late and great American comedian George Carlin explained it best, in less than five minutes, over a decade ago. He’s talking about America but his summation is equally fitting for Australia, if not even more so. Have a laugh, and a cry, and be a little bit wiser.

    George Carlin – The Big Club
    NOTE – Coarse language

  200. EvilElvis

    And I’m the fourth. Custard, if the aec counted only three votes for you, they got it wrong.

    Dirty Three™ featuring DrBG…

  201. LNP Insider

    Leigh Lowe

    Yeah, that has just dawned on me at 2:58 above.
    Although, I don’t see this as journos making shit up.
    I see it as Trumble trying to create a bit of turbulence which can be described as a “crisis generated by right-wing hardliners” which can only be resolved by the appointment of a “compromise candidate” (ie Trumble puppet).

    Absolutely. Photio, Kean and Zimmerman (though appatently there’s been a power struggle between Photios and the later two. Then there is Hawke and Campbell with thrir group plus Perrotet and the conservatives. Lots of games being played here.

    If Morrison wants Mundine that will make him a huge favourite. I’m told this is the case. I expect lots of the factional players will fall into line

  202. EvilElvis

    And I voted below the line for me too, and so did Mrs C and me Mum and……hopefully a few more.

    This photo is getting crowded and awkward now. How’s your mum with holding your head up with gaping mouth like a prize lion, custard?…

  203. notafan

    I was gushing blood from my vagina

    Possible slight exaggeration

    and sarah has delusions of being the first women evah!

    another nutter riding the sixth wave

  204. LNP Insider

    Leigh Lowe

    Yeah, that has just dawned on me at 2:58 above.
    Although, I don’t see this as journos making shit up.
    I see it as Trumble trying to create a bit of turbulence which can be described as a “crisis generated by right-wing hardliners” which can only be resolved by the appointment of a “compromise candidate” (ie Trumble puppet).

    Absolutely. Photios, Kean and Zimmerman (though apparently there’s been a power struggle between Photios and the later two). Then there is Hawke and Campbell with their group plus Perrotet and the conservatives. Lots of games being played here.

    If Morrison wants Mundine that will make him a huge favourite. I’m told this is the case. I expect lots of the factional players will fall into line.

  205. Rossini

    Leigh Lowe
    #3028301, posted on May 28, 2019 at 3:30 pm
    You are in a generous mood today!

  206. LNP Insider

    I see another person mention Molan bring on 13,000 and hoping he will get up.

    Not happening. I say that as someone who voted for him.

    Needs another 187,000 votes to be contending.

  207. memoryvault

    That would be the best demonstration of the peoples’ choice.

    What on earth makes you think “the people” have anything to do with it, Calli?

  208. Frank

    OK The Women are out of control AGAIN.

    Sarah Silverman

    She had a good line about how she and her boyfriend had a pet name for her fanny; faggot. Back when she used to be funny that is.

  209. John 64:

    I might be completely misreading this, but you’d reckon Adani will walk if Pony Girl doesn’t get her sh^t together in the next few weeks.

    I don’t think you’re misreading it at all.
    If Adani doesn’t play really frigging hard ball after the last election, they’re nuts.
    I can imagine Mr Adani sitting back with his feet on the table, saying to Pony Girl “It looks like your nuts are on the chopping block, Love. Tell me what your offer is to stay, and it won’t be enough. so double it.”

  210. Nelson Kidd-Players

    The WA senate count shows 3488 AC votes yet to be allocated. Sure to be some custard mixed within.

  211. EvilElvis

    Sure to be some custard mixed within.

    For crying out loud! Can the photo and just give the bloke a senate seat already!

  212. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Should be 7 more votes for Custard, if the trend holds.

  213. Leigh Lowe

    I see another person mention Molan bring on 13,000 and hoping he will get up.
    Not happening. I say that as someone who voted for him.
    Needs another 187,000 votes to be contending.

    Nah.
    13,000 is plenty for a quota.

  214. Leigh Lowe

    Sorry, 13,000 is not a quota.
    I was thinking of Tassie.

  215. Fleeced

    Nah.
    13,000 is plenty for a quota.

    In Tassie, perhaps 🙂

  216. LNP Insider

    On Pony Girl and Adani.

    I wouldn’t trust the State Opposition to prosecute anything and apply any pressure. Especially under a weak leader.

  217. calli

    I just wanted to say it, Peter.

    Everyone seems quite comfortable with the factional in-fighting and party games.

    I am not.

  218. Stimpson J. Cat

    Honestly, we’ve got a blog full of very smart people, and the most productive, least wasteful solution you have to someone who has committed a serious crime is to kill them?
    I thought this was an economics blog.
    Very disappointing.

  219. Dr Faustus

    Bonus, Geothermal! Don’t tell flannery.

    Don’t joke.

    There’s a plan floating around for a geothermal generator at Winton using the hot water from the town bore. Apparently the tiny 310 kW generator is going to save Winton “up to $15 million (US$12 million) per year in energy consumption“.

    Assuming the poor little thing runs 24/7 it’s only going to send out 2,715 MWh per year – which makes the claimed $15 million annual cost saving seem very Flannery indeed.

  220. memoryvault

    On Pony Girl and Adani.

    It may take longer than the “week” or two stated by Winston, but yes, sooner or later Adani will realise they are never going to get approval, and pack up and go home.

    The state government is opposed to it, regardless of what they might claim. The state opposition is opposed to it, despite any lip service to the contrary. The federal government is opposed to it, as long as somebody else appears to be the problem, and the federal opposition is against it regardless of any bleatings by Albosqueazy.

    They haven’t got a hope in hell.

  221. Leigh Lowe

    I don’t think you’re misreading it at all.
    If Adani doesn’t play really frigging hard ball after the last election, they’re nuts.
    I can imagine Mr Adani sitting back with his feet on the table, saying to Pony Girl “It looks like your nuts are on the chopping block, Love. Tell me what your offer is to stay, and it won’t be enough. so double it.”

    The Adani CEO seems to be following your advice.
    He made a statement that, if the Queensland government doesn’t have an answer in two weeks, he will assume it is just another stalling exercise.
    Of course, Richo says that criticising Pony Girl was a yuuuuge mistake.
    He would say that, wouldn’t he.

  222. Leigh Lowe

    Honestly, we’ve got a blog full of very smart people, and the most productive, least wasteful solution you have to someone who has committed a serious crime is to kill them?
    I thought this was an economics blog.

    It costs several hundred thousand dollars per annum to keep a Supermax prisoner inflated.

    A length of rope costs $15 in Bunnings, plus you get compost in six months.

  223. Caveman

    Whats worse than being talked about , is not being talked about. ScoMo today acknowledges Abbott in his party speech and again does not mention Turdbull.

    Albo just fukn talks and talks , so much for his listening tour , in one ear out the other.

  224. “aveman
    #3028337, posted on May 28, 2019 at 4:07 pm
    Whats worse than being talked about , is not being talked about. ScoMo today acknowledges Abbott in his party speech and again does not mention Turdbull.

    Albo just fukn talks and talks , so much for his listening tour , in one ear out the other.”

    I suspect Morrison has a great deal of sympathy for Abbott and I suspect that he has washed his hands of Turdbull…..Morrison knows that Turdbull was behind Banks’ departure last year. Morrison knows that the Turd did nothing to help Dave Sharma in Wentworth last October…..in fact the Turd probably helped Phelps. Morrison knows that the Turdbulls were throwing money at GetUp and also at Banks’s campaign against Hunt.

    Morrison owes the Turd and the Turd’s family nothing.

  225. Top Ender

    Milat transferred back to jail. Also:

    He has tumours in his throat and stomach and has seen his weight drop from 88kg to 62kg in recent months, his nephew and supporter Alistair Shipsey has said.

  226. memoryvault

    Albo just fukn talks and talks

    Perhaps he subscribes to the Andrew Bolt method of in-depth enquiry?

  227. jupes

    Ted Bundy, the Anita Cobby murderers etc should be hit on the head and dumped at sea. However,the other side of the coin is people like Mallard.12 years in jail, he would have been executed if we had CP.
    You can’t say “this bloke is more guilty than that bloke”. The fault is with the system that allows these animals their freedom. Life should mean life

    Simple solution: Change the standard of proof for the death penalty to beyond ANY doubt, with death penalty crimes limited to mass murder, serial killing and terrorism. That way scumbags like Bryant and Gargasoulas would be executed however Ivan Milat would get life.

    I would gladly volunteer to be the executioner. I’d even wear a retro-uniform to carry out my duties.

  228. memoryvault

    Morrison owes the Turd and the Turd’s family nothing.

    Apart from the position actual of PM, that is.

  229. jupes

    Wow. The list of banned words is just silly. I can’t figure it out.

  230. Candy

    Turnbull offered Morrison the treasurer’s job if he went along with the usurping of Abbott, which was all secretly done. Morrison should indeed mention MT in Parliament. He was PM and won an election and they worked well together and they are friends. To ignore that is not really right, even tho MT was so irksome and other things.

  231. “memoryvault
    #3028346, posted on May 28, 2019 at 4:19 pm
    Morrison owes the Turd and the Turd’s family nothing.

    Apart from the position actual of PM, that is.”

    NO..Morrison won the election fare and square and without the Turd. The Turd was hiding in his penthouse in NY for the whole election campaign.

  232. memoryvault

    You are on the money today, Candy.

  233. Tailgunner

    Keno owes me, so I’m going to the pub to collect.

    Might sample a bit of visual delight from the lovely ladees pouring beverages too.

    🙂 🙂
    Mah nigga!
    Love it, KD

  234. notafan

    You are right Cassie

    Turnbull, being a professional white ant did everything in his power to bring down the Morrison government as well as actively campaigning against Tony Abbott.

    Spiteful little man.

    Why on earth would Morrison thank him?

  235. stackja

    Pregnant woman allegedly attacked in Surry Hills

    The alleged attacker slammed the pregnant women into a power pole. Picture: NSW Police

    A heavily-pregnant women was allegedly repeatedly punched in the head and rammed into a power pole by another woman in an “unprovoked and vicious” attack in Surry Hills today.
    Derrick Krusche, The Daily Telegraph
    Subscriber only
    |
    6 minutes ago

    A seven-month pregnant woman has been “viciously” assaulted in an unprovoked attack while walking to work in Surry Hills this morning, according to police.

    Police said the 26-year-old was on Wentworth Ave when she was allegedly charged at and set upon by a 28-year-old woman just before 9am.

    The 28-year-old allegedly repeatedly punched the pregnant woman in the head, pulled her hair and rammed her into a power pole before she fell to the ground clutching her womb in pain.

    Two witnesses, an off-duty junior police officer and a man, rushed to her aid and detained the alleged attacker, who was arrested and taken to Surry Hills police station.

    She was charged with assault occasioning actual bodily harm and was remanded in custody to appear in court at a later date.

    Detective Chief Inspector Adam Johnson praised the quick-thinking of the two witnesses.

    “The civilian did not hesitate to leap to the rescue of the pregnant woman and we commend his bravery,” he said.

    “We would also like to praise the swift response of the probationary constable who saved the woman from further harm.”

  236. stackja

    jupes
    #3028356, posted on May 28, 2019 at 4:28 pm
    Wow. The list of banned words is just silly. I can’t figure it out.

    Blame the courts. Sinc is hostage to them.

  237. notafan

    and remember

    Mr Turnbull’s intervention came hours after he went onto the BBC to claim the Liberal Party ousted him because they were concerned he was going to win the federal election.

    because polls

  238. calli

    Turnbull offered Morrison the treasurer’s job if he went along with the usurping of Abbott, which was all secretly done. Morrison should indeed mention MT in Parliament.

    Yet Turnbull did not get Morrison’s vote in the 2015 spill.

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