Sydney Morning Herald embarks on constitutional recognition campaign

Not surprising I suppose. Peter Hartcher wrote a leading piece on the theme that we need to do our best for the most forgotten and disadvantaged people in our midst. This is a really strange thing to say, considering the endless refrain about the issue of the Indigenes that has been near the top of the totem pole of concerns since the 1970s. In 1966 the topic of concern at the annual Students Union conference was the lack of graduates from that community and in London in 1972 both Karl Popper and Ernst Gombrich (doyen of art historians) asked me what we were doing about the Aborigines.

The “forgotten people” are constantly in our faces in every aspect of culture, most obviously in the form of the so-called national flag that flies on many schools and public buildings. This combines a monstrous lie (as though the warring tribes constituted a nation with a flag) with a message of separation and division that is the polar opposite of reconciliation. And they complain that we are not getting enough reconciliation!

Likewise the rampant political correctness of our football administrations. In the NRL there is a divisive us against them NRL game each year, there is the absurd notion of the indigenous rounds. And the preposterous beat-up and bullying in the Goodes case.

I replied to Popper and Gombrich that everyone was concerned about the Aborigines but nobody knew what to do. A few months later the Whitlam Government administration arrived and soon embarked on a massive passive welfare program and related affirmative action initiatives. Late in the day people like Noel Pearson announced that passive welfare was the problem not the solution.

As for constitutional recognition and segregated seats in the House, how does any sane person think that even more divisive initiatives on top of the previous mistakes will promote reconciliation.

But what can you expect from Peter Hartcher. This is Peter on Penny Wong. For people who are still interested in the election campaign near the end of the Penny Wong story there is an interesting sound clip embedded. It describes the ALP launch in Queensland and some other aspects of the campaign. Advice from IPSOS polls that indicated that the race was tighter than the national swing suggested so it would end up as a seat by seat election.

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43 Responses to Sydney Morning Herald embarks on constitutional recognition campaign

  1. Behind Enemy Lines

    If these people wanted to promote divisiveness and prevent reconciliation, they couldn’t have gone about it in a more obvious, calculated and effective manner.

  2. wal1957

    The Aboriginal Industry will still be running strong in 100 years.
    It’s a money tree that just keeps on giving.

  3. Dr Fred Lenin

    Liberate aboriginals from socialist fascist Opression ,make them the same as every other Australian citizen ,with the same rights and obligations . Take them at their word if Australia was invaded and conquered by the British ,there is no need for any laws pertaining to aboriginals only and native title no longer exists. It only exists because the High Court rulled Australia had NOT been invaded thus native title was legal . They cant have it both ways it was either invaded or not ,and when peopke of another race take over all the land and sell it to their own people that is definately invasion .

  4. Muddy

    One must always seek a new venture to ensure that the Museum of Primitive Curiosities remains financially viable. The Sub-Committee of Management Remuneration depends upon it.*

  5. Megan

    You can’t argue you’re forgotten when you get billions of taxpayers money every year.

  6. Leo G

    Peter Hartcher wrote a leading piece on the theme that we need to do our best for the most forgotten and disadvantaged people in our midst

    Those poor individuals marked for abortion?

  7. Leo G

    “OK to be white” resolver filth in our Senate?
    How sad.

  8. Leo G

    Hate speech no crime on QandA.

  9. billie

    Wait, what?

    It’s NOT ok to be white?

    Who knew …

  10. Tom

    Forgotten people? Where have I heard that before? Oh, yeah: May 22, 1942. It came up again on
    May 18, 2019, in the most important Australian federation election for a generation.

    Funny how divisive nobodies like Peter Hartcher never write about that.

    Which is why his once-great newspaper is about to disappear.

  11. Robber Baron

    Aboriginies are just naggers. Stop complaining. Stop putting your hand out. The world owes you nothing. Australia owes you nothing. I owe you nothing. Earn your own way. Take responsibility for your own life.

    Start businesses. Make yourselves valuable. You will feel a lot better about yourselves.

  12. 2dogs

    it would end up as a seat by seat election.

    But this was also wrong; the LNP decisively won the national 2PP.

  13. Is this significantly different to how the Democrats treat the blacks in the US?

  14. Up The Workers!

    So Benny Wong is another self-proclaimed “Expert” on this topic?

    Do we know for certain which country she is a citizen of, yet?

    The Australian Liars Party says that she is strictly Australian, but that has the same credibility as anything the Australian Liars Party says.

  15. Entropy

    I can’t understand how a policy goal that separates one group of people with a smidgen of difference in ancestors, in the constitution no less, for special privilege could be anything less than overt racism.
    These fantasists are wearing the Emperer’s clothes.

  16. stackja

    South Africa had ‘separateness’ which upset the SMH.

  17. a happy little debunker

    constitutional recognition campaign

    The “forgotten people”…?

    Did he mean – the 162000 transported ‘convicts’, made stateless (& forbidden from ever returning home, under penalty of death) and sent forth to the unforgiving Antipodes under the brutal conditions of unpaid servitude (otherwise known as slavery)?

    Or did he mean the members of the world’s oldest culture, who ‘might’ be descendants of Australia’s first migrants, now demanding that they receive additional special privileges over the descendants of slaves, simply because they lacked the wherewithal to enable efficient & effective immigration policy?

  18. Alan

    I note that Hartcher was not the only one to embark on said campaign.
    Is PM Scott Morrison a right-wing conservative?
    Scott Morrison has “committed to getting an outcome” on constitutional recognition.

    Aboriginal lawyer from Tasmania says not a single benefit flowed from similar State measures.

    Retired NSW Supreme Court Judge: No provision is deliberately placed in our Constitution to make people feel happy or to soothe their feelings. There is no such provision in the Constitution so far … [recognition] makes the widest available intervention in the actions of all governments, with the greatest potential for generating future litigation.

  19. MACK

    We need just a one word policy on aboriginals – “integration”. Ditch everything else.

  20. Ian of Brisbane

    How long before the Oz joins in?

  21. Mother Lode

    I think we must avoid imagining all Aborigines are part of any such push.

    The people pushing this will be a small number of activists, many of whom would be calling themselves Aborigines even though they have Elizabeth Warrenesque blood. Then there are the simpering progressives whose feeble grasp of the world has time and again resulted in schemes that deliver outcomes that bear no resemblance at all to stated intent, and which they then try to paper over with more harebrained schemes which result in…and so on and so on.

    What has happened to Aborigines is almost emblematic, and bares striking resemblance to what has been done to blacks in the US.

    Then their are the Aborigines who just get on with life, unencumbered by the baggage the activists would lumber them with. People like Dallas of ‘Black Steam Train’ fame, and our own Black Ball. These are the successes that everyone should be aiming at, but because they are authors of their own lives their is no room for moral posturing, so they are ignored.

    Then there are the poor wretches living degraded squalid lives – the grain crushed between the great millstones of progressive ‘projects’ who provide them bread. Sadly mistaken in the motivation of the Aboriginal Industry they are trapped in lives endless violence, confusion, powerlessness, looking dimly through an alcoholic and narcotic haze, with nothing to look forward to except an early death.

    But their plight does get urbanites with 15/16 white blood additional benefits.

  22. Mother Lode

    bares bears striking resemblance

  23. PK

    Kowtowing sycophancy of the highest standard. One can just imagine the interviewer wriggling backwards from the divine presence on his abdomen before resuming his standard quadruped stature at a distance of several kilometres,

  24. Bad Samaritan

    Hey Cats….who are white…..or otherwise…

    I can’t understand why you allow yourselves to be triggered by the latest leftist talking points. You might as well get angry because someone yells “your mother wears gumboots’. Or “rich people must die”. Or, as I saw on another site, written on a US Congresswoman’s T-Shirt “all my heroes killed colonizers”. These are nought but efforts to trigger so why not laugh instead. See them go off!

    Go about your lives. protect your wealth, And stay based; sticks and stones etc . Do not watch their TV stations (ABC+SBS). Do not read or listen to their propaganda; do not click on their bait. Etc Etc.

    On the night of the election, we were 9 people at a BBQ in Big George’s electorate. Two were definite Labor voters; one maybe a Green and the others LNP, Katter or UAP or ON. I was the only one who’d even heard of most of these nutty leftist ideas. When I made a few observations on whiteness and transgenderism etc, they literally had no idea what I was on about.

    Three of them were not “white”. This leftist thing; this mental disorder really is a chattering class phenomenon. Do not join in!

    BTW: Always bear in mind that it’s not hate speech which triggers them, but the speech they hate. Needle them, and continue enjoying their splodey heads.. That’s all.

  25. PB

    “You can’t argue you’re forgotten when you get billions of taxpayers money every year.”

    Which is of course never enough.

  26. Mother Lode

    At one time the argument was that Aborigines were disadvantaged – through racism, natch. So the plan was to bring them up to equal pegging with whitey.

    But then a subtle new imperative – the need to put Aborigines above whitey. To recognise their special culture, their special connection, their mystery, their wisdom, their myths, and their stasis. This agenda has now become the dominant one (although the original still gets wheeled out occasionally but only to aid the new one).

    So, lets go the good old ‘cui bono?’

    In the former, to the extent it was true (and you would have to be mad to think there were not some numbnuts out there) it would benefit Aborigines. Any and all.

    The latter, however, is not about people but ideology. And benefits accrue to the custodians of the ideology. A subset of the urban elites, political hacks, spivs, and main chancers.

    They are vermin.

  27. Diogenes

    Do we know for certain which country she is a citizen of, yet?

    Yes we do, and sadly she is Australian
    https://www.aph.gov.au/~/media/Committees/Senate/committee/interests_ctte/citizenship%20register/WongP_Cstat_171130.pdf?la=en

  28. Mother Lode

    I can’t understand why you allow yourselves to be triggered by the latest leftist talking points.

    Because this talking point could become something legally binding.

  29. Tom

    Always bear in mind that it’s not hate speech which triggers them, but the speech they hate.

    Spot on, Bad Samaritan.

    Great post, BTW. 80% of the population have lives to lead, aren’t involved in the culture wars and have never heard of most of the junk the left is peddling.

    However, knowing your enemy doesn’t mean you’re “being triggered”. Cats should be proud of their role in educating the public about the latest threats to their culture and their wealth from the dregs of the middle class in the toilet bowl at the bottom.

  30. Roger

    …we need to do our best for the most forgotten and disadvantaged people in our midst.

    How about free education at our best boarding schools for children from indigenous communities, preferential employment in the public service when they graduate, dedicated health clinics, dedicated public housing, easy access to low interest loans to buy a house or business and guaranteed government contracts for those businesses?

    Oh wait…we already do that.

  31. yarpos

    They dont equality, they dont want it to be over, they just want it all. Then they will blow it all and complain it wasnt enough.

  32. Rob MW

    Probably the Elephant in the room that receives no attention is the question of Native Title and how it has been extraordinarily applied and reinterpreted through s13 of the Native Title Act. I have a friend in the NT who has a pastoral lease (in perpetuity) that is in a fight of his life to save even the improvements, homestead, sheds, cattle yards, water bores, even his rubbish tip and extending to unbranded feral animals including scrub cattle.

    The guts of the matter hinges on this: (from the Central lands Council website)

    When is native title extinguished?

    The NTA explains when native title is lost. For example: Freehold titles and most leases over land extinguish (or finish) native title completely (except some titles held by Aboriginal people); pastoral leases only partially extinguish native title; and, Aboriginal titles, like land rights title or Aboriginal-owned pastoral stations, will generally have no affect on native title.

    Some land titles will generally extinguish (or finish) native title completely, but a pastoral lease will only extinguish some native title rights.

    In a recent High Court decision the Court found that that Native Title claimants shared 50% of the unimproved capital value with the NT Gov’t over NT pastoral leases.

    I shit you not !

  33. Leigh Lowe

    Bad Samaritan at 8:25.
    Don’t just ignore it.
    Give quiet cheer every time they raise one of their vanity projects because it simply reinforces with Joe Average that they have no fucking idea.

  34. Ceres

    SMH and the Age, cheerleaders in chief for the ALP, the losers, now in double down mode on all the lefty policies that ensured the election was lost. Now what’s the definition of insanity again.?

  35. Rex Mango

    Reconciliation could be a very simple process. Turn all Native Title land into freehold and Native Title abolished. Aboriginals get most of the NT, big slices of WA and SA and plenty of other goodies and they are free to keep the land, or sell up. We then restart with property rights not being determined by race, whatever that word means.

  36. vicki

    I can’t see that the current government will be interested in any further recognition of our indigenous Australians, particularly in respect to legislation for a separate constitutional entity. The dismal record of the indigenous council of ATSIC has surely not been forgotten.

    People like Hartcher & the rest of the inner city “experts” on Aboriginal affairs will continue to advocate the type of solutions that exacerbated the situation of remote communities in the first place. “Nuggett” Combes & the rest of the social warriors of the past who advocated throwing disparate clans together in artificial settlements have a lot to answer for.

    I am an advocate of the preservation and celebration of their culture, but I also believe that the only way forward for Aboriginal Australians is integration into the everyday life of our country.

  37. Probably the Elephant in the room that receives no attention is the question of Native Title and how it has been extraordinarily applied and reinterpreted through s13 of the Native Title Act.

    Absolutely. On our trips through SA & Qld we came across station owners who suffered the scourge of determined claims against their titles, as well as expensive “fees” to local Aboriginal Land Councils to OK even the cleaning out of dams. Most get tired of the battle and sell.

  38. easy access to low interest loans to buy a house

    Whilst they can purchase property in most of the country, like any other Australian, my understanding is that they cannot purchase property (even if they had a decent income) in areas designated as Native Title. Of course, in such areas they are provided with free housing, in any case. But there is a case to argue that freehold would be more desirable to many.

  39. Robbo

    If the hand wringing lefty bed wetters want to do something about the most forgotten and disadvantaged people in our nation then they should start with the elderly and the colour of their skin is irrelevant.

  40. Squirrel

    “Sydney Morning Herald embarks on constitutional recognition campaign”

    This will help their audience to deal with their grief and move on from the horrors of 18 May. Like so many other crusades, it will be a joint effort with our ABC, and there’ll be endless opportunities to blather on about “First Nations” etc. etc.

    Will there be any practical connection between the righteous outpourings of privileged non-Aboriginal people living on and profiting from “stolen land” and improved life outcomes for the generality Aboriginal Australians? – most unlikely, if the past is a guide to the future.

  41. Rafe Champion

    Vicki, in view of your very pertinent observations, how does this appeal?

    Turn all Native Title land into freehold and Native Title abolished. Aboriginals get most of the NT, big slices of WA and SA and plenty of other goodies and they are free to keep the land, or sell up. We then restart with property rights not being determined by race, whatever that word means.

    Libertarians around the world are agitating for ‘first nation’ people to have individual title rather than group titles.

  42. Rob MW

    Libertarians around the world are agitating for ‘first nation’ people to have individual title rather than group titles.

    Rafe – that’s an impossibility and this is the reason.

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