What can we do about the genocide of Christians?

Is that the right word? The massacre and “cleansing” of the Christians in the Middle East and parts of Africa.

Yesterday I upset a longstanding friend in the US with a Facebook post calling out the progressive left for ignoring the massacre of Christians and the rising tide of anti-Semitism on the left. The trigger for the post was a report from Vienna that public photos of holocaust victims were defaced with swastikas. This will be blamed on the Hard Right and the point of my contribution was to remind people that the Nazis were socialists and the radicals of the progressive left are effectively left-fascists.

My friend replied ” where in this story is there the faintest hint that the progressive left are involved in this?”

I will have to explain that I would have done better to refer to the regressive left and I am talking about that strand of leftism that has parted company from the decent leftism of our youth when it was a bit wishy washy and based on good intentions that needed to be informed by bracing doses of Popper’s critical rationalism and Austrian economics.

Still, in addition to pointing the finger at left fascists, I want to call out the moderate left, like most of our longstanding friends from uni days, who are silent on the intolerance of the regressive leftists who are undermining education, civil society and the political debate. Take note of Mark Latham channelling Karl Popper on the limits of tolerance. Another striking exception is the reformed leftie Peter Baldwin – see The Weekend Australian next to Matthew Lloyd on the cost of climate policies. We have exchanged notes and we see a need to revive the “triple alliance” of the Congress for Cultural Freedom that served on the culture front in the Cold War. That was a coalition of libertarians, conservatives and social democrats, a fraught alliance that collapsed even before the end of the Cold War.

Getting back to the question – there are voices from religious circles reminding us of what is going on, but what is to be done? Does the Government have a position on this, Foreign Affairs must be on top of it, what are they telling the relevant Ministers, what can the Government say or do if they care about it? Where is the United Nations? Etc.

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30 Responses to What can we do about the genocide of Christians?

  1. stackja

    1930s They came for the … 2019 They came for the Christians, but I was not a Christian …

  2. Iampeter

    Is that the right word? The massacre and “cleansing” of the Christians in the Middle East and parts of Africa.

    Thank god they aren’t atheists, right? So glad you’re not into the whole identity politics thing that you can see past peoples groups.

    Yesterday I upset a longstanding friend in the US with a Facebook post calling out the progressive left for ignoring the massacre of Christians and the rising tide of anti-Semitism on the left.

    Is it because your friend was smart enough to point out that antisemitism originates with Christianity so your FB post would’ve been the usual contradiction and made no sense?

    Does the Government have a position on this, Foreign Affairs must be on top of it, what are they telling the relevant Ministers, what can the Government say or do if they care about it? Where is the United Nations? Etc.

    Yea sucks when you’re gang is not on the winning side, but such are the wages of collectivism. You can’t have it both ways, Rafe. You can’t embrace collectivism then cry about its consequences.

  3. Nato

    That’s a good question: what is the word for it?
    You went weight-washy, conceded the point, leftists good. Some of the darker v corners of the us conservative web would call that failure theatre. You tried, you just couldn’t stand up greater point. Live and learn, am i right

  4. Tel

    1913 to 1922: Christian Ottoman Greek genocide in Anatolia, approx 450,000 – 750,000 killed.
    1914 to 1923: Armenian Christian Genocide in Turkey, approx 1.5 million killed.
    1914 to 1924: Assyrian Christian Genocide in Turkey, approx 150,000 – 300,000 killed.

    Those numbers are from Wikipedia. The story can easily be found, but you don’t hear many people mention it in polite conversation. There’s also a long history of persecution of Yazidis and other minority groups. This concept of tolerance never got popular in the Middle East.

    It’s hard enough to keep reminding people of the deaths under Socialism … China keeps persecuting religious minorities even today. At least the Chinese are even-handed and persecute anyone who might have any loyalty outside the State.

  5. 2dogs

    What can we do about the genocide of Christians?

    I have a proposal for this in the weekend’s OT.

  6. Cameron

    Iampeter, The main source of anti Semitism today is Islam. The regressive left is now firmly allied with the Islamists against their common enemy which is Western Civilisation.

    Anti Semitism did not enter Christian thought until the 12th and 13th centuries whereas it has been a part of Islam since it’s inception. Hatred for Jews and Christians is expressed repeatedly6 in dozens of verse of the Koran and also in the Haddiths and Sunnahs. Perhaps you should do a little research.

  7. bollux

    “Where is the United Nations? Etc.”
    That is a silly question. If you don’t know where they are, should I be the one to enlighten you?

  8. Percy Popinjay

    a report from Vienna that public photos of holocaust victims were defaced

    The only dunderheads I’ve ever heard continually likening Joos to nayzees are collectivists.

    The latter truly are the most vile scum.

  9. thefrolickingmole

    This will sound awful, but the fact of the matter is they have forgotten all their theorizing and human rights last only until someone punches them in the mouth.

    Thats not a call for violence or implying its a legitimate tactic but pointing out if youve never had to factor in irrational and sustained violence into your theory of life then you are missing how 1/2 the world does things.

    Eg: Saddam.
    He ruled using the promise of violence. Violence that extended to your family and your “tribe”.
    The rules based world applied its sanctions etc and were bemused when his regime didnt fall like the South African Apartheid era government did.
    Largely because the SA government still had a rule of law that balked at the complete decimation or disappearing of its enemies.
    Parties of both the left and right in Western nations seem to have completely lost the knowledge that they can be undone by a worryingly small group of fanatics if the community sees them as having lost legitimacy, or the poice cease to be the worst thing that can happen to you.

    Eg: The IRA managed to “beat” the UK with a few thousand men.
    The UK pulled back from “Saddamming” (much the same in India) which would have seen them engaged in never ending whack a mole to maintain power.

  10. Elderly White Man From Skipton

    If you’re going to make statements like this it would be helpful if you include some supporting facts. Bigotry and religious extremism is everywhere.

  11. Bruce of Newcastle

    My friend replied ” where in this story is there the faintest hint that the progressive left are involved in this?”

    At Gatestone Institute:

    Genocide of Christians Reaches “Alarming Stage” (26 May)

    – Many of the world’s most persecuted Christians have nothing whatsoever to do with colonialism or missionaries. Those most faced with the threat of genocide — including Syria’s and Iraq’s Assyrians or Egypt’s Copts — were Christian several centuries before the ancestors of Europe’s colonizers became Christian and went missionizing

    – The BBC report highlights “political correctness” as being especially responsible for the West’s indifference….

    I think the second point is an answer to your friend’s question. Plus that the left has long persecuted Christians directly – China is doing so today. And of course there is the progressive left’s alliance with I slam.

    Yesterday:

    Four dead in new attack on Burkina Faso Christians

    Ouagadougou (AFP) – Four people were killed Sunday at a Catholic church in northern Burkina Faso in the latest in a series of attacks on Christian targets in the region, according to a bishop in the region and a security source.

    So where are the progressive lefties pushing to stop this evil? I though Responsibility to Protect (R2P) was supposed to be a progressive doctrine.

  12. Roger

    If you’re going to make statements like this it would be helpful if you include some supporting facts.

    Google “persecution of Christians.”

  13. Tim Neilson

    Thank god they aren’t atheists, right? So glad you’re not into the whole identity politics thing that you can see past peoples groups.

    This is exactly correct! We must at all costs avoid mentioning groups!

    That’s why ‘progressives’ referred to certain events in Sri Lanka as an attack by indeterminate unidentified people against ‘Easter worshippers’!

    Iamashiteater, would you refuse to identify the victims of the Orlando nightclub massacre as being predominantly gay? Would identifying the victims for who they were in reality actually be ‘collectivism’?

    Would your derangedly fanatical scorched earth resistance against demonstrable reality really require you to say that the 1930’3/40’s German government weren’t persecuting anyone in particular?

    The fact is that the people who perpetrate these atrocities often do so on the basis of identity politics, and merely identifying that truth isn’t in any way condoning their ideologies.

  14. Rafe Champion

    Interesting to see what comes out when you take the lid off the garbage.

  15. I just do not have an answer that doesn’t entail the wholesale slaughter of innocents.

  16. cuckoo

    BBC had an article about the German “anti-semitism commissioner” warning (male) Jews not to wear Kippehs in “certain areas” of Germany. Guess which words, beginning with I- and M- appear nowhere in the article.

  17. max

    The roots of the Anti-Semitism is ancient myth depicting the Jews as Christ-killers

  18. We could start with that communist Pope saying something about it.
    If that bastard mentioned the persecution of Christians half as much as he does refugees and Climate Change, we might get a conversation going.
    He won’t because he and his ilk believe a religious war will start if he sided with Christians. Go figure.

  19. John A

    Iampeter #3026682, posted on May 27, 2019, at 8:11 am

    I have told you before that you do not deserve the name Peter, and you certainly do not live up to it.

    And this unsubstantiated assertion:

    Is it because your friend was smart enough to point out that antisemitism originates with Christianity

    further confirms that you are totally unhinged in your anti-religious raving lunacy.

  20. John A

    bollux #3026720, posted on May 27, 2019, at 8:57 am

    “Where is the United Nations? Etc.”

    That is a silly question. If you don’t know where they are, should I be the one to enlighten you?

    You need to be reminded of the Humphrey Appleby understanding of the true nature of that rancid body:

    The UN is the accepted forum for expressing hatred and bigotry on an international level

    If we removed the UN and all international bodies they created after 1945, we would be much better off. There would probably only be ICAO, UPU and WMO.

  21. Helen

    Why doesn’t the left do something about the persecution of Christians?
    Why don’t you do something about it? Why do you need to wait for the left to act?
    It always strikes me as a strange argument: There’s something bad going on in the world. Why don’t the people I disagree with, or dislike or who are my enemies (in this case, the left) do something? Why should your actions on moral issues be dependent on whether your enemies do anything about those issues?

  22. Stimpson J. Cat

    antisemitism originates with Christianity

    This is why everyone hates Atheists.
    They are just so Goddamned annoying.
    Honestly, they make Vegans look smart.

  23. GoWest

    It wasn’t that long ago when I was reading of a dozen church “burning s” in Victoria. Now we hear of the spate of women being murdered. Recently we found that the majority of people in Melbourne/Sydney are voting for the green global warming religion that imposes taxes on others so they can feel better. Meanwhile outer suburb church schools are thriving…. History repeats. Solution; – get out of the old city ASAP they are all going mad – taken over by bums.

  24. Mark M

    The Impossible Future of Christians in the Middle East

    An ancient faith is disappearing from the lands in which it first took root.
    At stake is not just a religious community, but the fate of pluralism in the region.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/05/iraqi-christians-nineveh-plain/589819/

    via instapundit: The genocide that dare not speak its name …
    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/331363/#respond

  25. A Lurker

    To be honest I don’t think the Left et al., care about the plight of persecuted Christians, as an example the Western media are MIA on the issue.

  26. bespoke

    To frustrating for words.

  27. LGS

    Iampeter
    #3026682, posted on May 27, 2019 at 8:11 am
    Is that the right word? The massacre and “cleansing” of the Christians in the Middle East and parts of Africa.

    Thank god they aren’t atheists, right? So glad you’re not into the whole identity politics thing that you can see past peoples groups.

    Why is it “identity politics” to point out ongoing and increasing worldwide physical attacks on Christians (mainly by Muslims) and persecution and demonization (by Muslims and rabid leftists and atheists) of Christians?
    I find that those who cry “Islamophobe” at the drop of a hat (nearly always on the left) care bugger-all (publicly, at least) about Christians being offended or marginalized (indeed they often personally insult Christians or Christianity generally), and are typically silent when hundreds of Christians are slaughtered in Africa.

  28. Jonesy

    There is only one solution to this. Boots on ground, bayonets in necks. Modern day crusaders? Are we really wanting to go down that path to finally (and it never does) stop this persecution? The UN promises sooo much but is a proven failure.

  29. Iampeter

    The fact is that the people who perpetrate these atrocities often do so on the basis of identity politics, and merely identifying that truth isn’t in any way condoning their ideologies.

    Well, that was sort of MY point. The rest of it being that grossly mischaracterising what’s happening in the Middle East in order to avoid dealing with the fact that religion is bad, has prevented the West from taking the correct actions against terrorism for two decades.

    So, it’s you and others that are engaging in “fanatical scorched earth resistance against demonstrable reality” to evade the fact that your superficial and self-contradictory ideas are disastrously wrong and you have no clue what’s going on or what to do.

    That when all is said and done, you have no alternative ideas to the people you claim to be against.

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