Open Forum: June 1, 2019

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  1. mh

    This won’t be any better than the last one.

    Trust me.

  2. MPH

    It’s not June 1 yet in WA so technically I’m not here

  3. memoryvault

    This won’t be any better than the last one.

    I see the Glass Is Half Empty Society is already here.

  4. Crossie

    memoryvault
    #3031334, posted on May 31, 2019 at 11:57 pm
    I had my exposure to snow and skiing when we lived in Mt Beauty, Crossie.
    Up the hill to Falls Creek was less than half an hour.

    Marilyn loved it as did #1 son (three at the time).
    But I wasn’t all that keen.

    My husband and the girls loved skiing and were good at it, I seemed to have more affinity with drinking hot chocolate and reading the newspapers until they joined me for lunch.

    Bummer, missed the switchover to the new open thread.

  5. Crossie

    Is it officially winter or must we wait until 21st of June?

  6. Ubique

    Perth just recorded its lowest average minimum for May in its history at 8.7 degrees. There is no chance of the BoM or the ABC reporting it.

  7. Armadillo

    This thread sucks. We should request (nay DEMAND) a new one.

    Sinc, please ban this thread.

  8. Fisky

    This proves that “white privilege” is a scam designed to let corporations break up the white working class, which is the only force historically capable of keeping the corporate bugman class in check.

    https://reason.com/2019/05/29/white-privilege-study-sympathetic-black-people/

    What we found startling was that white privilege lessons didn’t increase liberals’ sympathy for poor Black people,” writes Erin Cooley, one of the study’s authors and an assistant professor of psychology at Colgate University, in an explanatory post for Vice. “Instead, these lessons decreased liberals’ sympathy for poor white people, which led them to blame white people more for their own poverty. They seemed to think that if a person is poor despite all the privileges of being white, there must really be something wrong with them.”

    (Posted on the other thread.)

  9. JC

    Fisk, you’re reading Reason Magazine? What’s going on?

  10. Percy Popinjay

    The Ozzie Labore Pardee – proudly mounting the infinite steps to the monument that celebrates History’s most ignominious losers (again – and again and again and again, ad infinitum).

    🙂

  11. Zyconoclast

    Sunland Park, New Mexico, on Tuesday ordered We Build the Wall to stop erecting the steel barrier on private land in an area that the group calls “ground zero for illegal drugs, migrants and human sex slaves coming across.” Sunland Park is located in the southeast corner of New Mexico, on the Mexican border and about 9 miles northwest of El Paso, Texas.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-wall-idUSKCN1SZ2LP

    Too bad. It looks like a big beautiful wall

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7075817/Steve-Bannons-group-built-wall-spanning-one-mile-Mexico-border.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490

  12. memoryvault

    Is it officially winter or must we wait until 21st of June?

    They keep changing it to whatever suits the Gerbil Wormening meme, on a year by year basis, Crossie.

  13. mh

    First few minutes of winter, so let’s check some Qld temps:

    Canungra 1.9 degrees. Numbers old stomping ground.
    Oakey 0.4 degrees
    Brisbane airport 8.9

    Yep, this will be the hottest winter evah.

  14. Percy Popinjay

    Sod you, MV – the seasons in this country have been carved in stone for centuries.

    1 June Winter
    1 September Spring
    1 December Summer
    1 March Autumn

  15. Fisky

    Who is this fucking weirdo autist Rory Stewart, running for the Tory leadership. Oh. My. God.

  16. Fisky

    Visual proof that there is virtually no constituency at all for the media’s favourite “fiscally conservative – socially liberal” position.

    https://twitter.com/matthewschmitz/status/1134263428581920768

  17. Armadillo

    When are the Sheliahs going to “Spring Clean” the house if the dates keep changing about?

  18. mh

    Percy, depends if you want the seasons as per the sun directly hitting certain lines of latitude.

    I’m not a stickler. In fact I’m anti stickler.

  19. Percy Popinjay

    mh – personally, I measure the seasons by the Equinoxes, but not all of us can comprehend that concept.

    Hence the simple first of the month beginnings. They work very well and generally require little thought.

  20. C.L.

    This is red hot …
    And utterly, gobsmackingly amazing:
    Rudy Giuliani Shreds Corrupt Biden Family – Accuses Joe Biden and Son of Bribery

  21. memoryvault

    Technically Percy is right “officially”, MH, and you are right as far as reality goes, with the 21st aligning with reality. I was commenting more on how it gets presented by both BoM and the ABC, depending on circumstances at the time, year by year.

  22. mh

    Percy, this is the blog where the Friday ‘boys night’ was spent debating the physics of a coin toss.

  23. Seco

    The shitstorm that is the Goodes documentary is coming. The AFL is going to ARU itself.

  24. Armadillo

    The barometer of creeping Sheilahism is that the animals get closer to you.

    You used to take your boots off at the door and pat the dog on the way through. He got the scraps off the dinner plate. He was pretty happy with that. Wagging his tail and stuff.

    Nowdays, the fucker is sitting at the kitchen table, staring at you and slobbering, demanding its fair share.

  25. memoryvault

    Friday ‘boys night’ was spent debating the physics of a coin toss.

    And let’s not forget the “how many angels can dance on the head of a pin” religious argument.
    Oh for a few Lady Cats prepared to hang around Fridays and maintain a level of sanity.

  26. Seco

    An article by Robbo in the Hun, Rucci in the Advertiser and one in The Australian and none allow comments. I haven’t dated venture to The Age.

  27. memoryvault

    Apologies, forgot to blockquote Percy’s comment at the beginning of mine.

  28. Stimpson J. Cat

    Liberals Who Learned About White Privilege Became Less Sympathetic to Poor Whites

    It’s OK guys, there is still hope.
    I believe in all my ni$$as.

  29. Percy Popinjay

    The goodes documentary

    Has anyone come up with a measure that quantifies the concept of “hugely unwatched”?

    The dooges schlockumentary will be off any scale measurable by humans as well as the scales of any other sentient beings that might have had the misfortune to exist in this Universe.

    Thanks, collectivists! 🙁

  30. Mark A

    This, God exists, no he does not, happens at least twice a year with monotonous regularity.

    Always the same players, with the same outcome.
    You have to question.

  31. Armadillo

    The prick ate my boots, and the only two pairs of thongs I own.

    Meanwhile, the Sheliahs in the household think it’s “cute”. Take a photo of the puppy. FMD.

  32. Rossini

    Night owls still reading!

  33. Rossini

    Nice to see you are still here Mark A

  34. memoryvault

    I think you may be right, Percy. Perhaps we need a whole new genre –
    a Goodementary” – an allegedly non-fiction program that absolutely no one will ever watch.

  35. Mark A

    Nice to see you too Rossini, looks like an other quiet night though.

  36. Pedro the Ignorant

    Speaking of boots and seeing it is bloke’s night, my dog has an unhealthy obsession with my boots.

    He sleeps with his nose stuck in one of them.

    Weird pooch at the best of times, refuses to eat leftover bacon, green peas or vegemite on toast, but happily hoovers down cold fried eggs and tinned beetroot.

    I suspect he was hanging out with a vegan bitch while I was at work.

  37. memoryvault

    Always the same players, with the same outcome.
    You have to question.

    There’s a couple of subjects like that, Mark.
    But I won’t mention them for fear of triggering somebody and setting off another avalanche.

  38. Armadillo

    looks like an other quiet night though.

    Noted.

  39. Fisky

    The Grayndler MP also described the Andrews government’s BRI agreement as being “much ado about nothing”, and said concerns about Chinese ­influence were naive. During the election campaign, Mr Albanese said coming into contact with the Communist Party in China was “no more shocking than someone having contact with the Liberal Party or the Labor Party here because they don’t have a separation of state and party there”.

    A Labor MP said the Right faction of the party would be watching to see if the Labor leader was willing to shift from his publicly stated positions on foreign policy.

    That depends on whether the massage parlours of Sydney are being CCTV’d directly to Beijing. You’d have to assume a whole lot of them are!

  40. Rossini

    You are right Mark A. Good night

  41. Armadillo

    I’m really interested in this idea of how a market might influence Government.

    Your average punter isn’t on the stock exchange.

  42. Fisky

    PNG and Vanuatu have “chosen” to express support for China’s position on the South China Sea where Beijing has been widely condemned by Australia and the world community for building military installations on territorially disputed islands. Chinese ambassador to Vanuatu Liu Quan has been quoted as saying that China expects recipients of its foreign assistance to support China’s ­posi­tion in the UN ­because there is “no free lunch”. China also has ramped up its fishing in the region, sending its long-distance fishing fleets deep into the Pacific, with some of these boats acting as a cover for signals intelligence monitoring.

    A country with state-run fishing fleets sounds like an ideal partner for “free trade”!

  43. Armadillo

    I’m also interested in how the expert pundits got it so wrong.

  44. Mark A

    Good night all
    I’m going for a walk, nice afternoon here but it’s a bit nippy for June.

    We actually have the heater on, ridiculous.

  45. memoryvault

    Me for bed too. Good night Mark.

  46. Armadillo

    More importantly, I’m interested in how the bookmaking markets might be used to manipulate voter intention.

  47. JC

    PURGE: NKorea executes top diplomat for American summit failure…

    I just thought about it. This excellent way for fat boy to demonstrate good intentions towards the US. Executing the failed shows how serious he is about mending relations. 90% of Canberra would be gone if we applied this noble standard…. 99% of them at state level would be extinguished.

  48. JC

    More importantly, I’m interested in how the bookmaking markets might be used to manipulate voter intention.

    Uncle George may have tried it in the 2004 presidential erections. “May have tried it” because the intention wasn’t clear if he was trying to influence the erection or made a good play in the bond market. I vaguely recall that the sudden move in the betting had an impact on the bond markets. It didn’t work. It’s impossible to see how betting markets would influence people to trend in that direction.

  49. Armadillo

    My starting point is that I’ve always thought that voting should be via a TAB ticket system. Fill in the card, feed it through the existing network. It’s been proven to work. They take millions of tickets on any given Saturday, and they can tell you immediately if your horse is valid or not.

    Pubs and clubs would pay for the electoral staff.

    My local polling booth doesn’t offer a beer. It sucks.

  50. Shy Ted

    On the news of Michael Trumble’ appointment KKR’ share price dropped 3.7%. The really bad news is they have an office in Sydney.

  51. Armadillo

    It’s impossible to see how betting markets would influence people to trend in that direction.

    Shy Ted’s post is illustrative. Your vote is worth money.

  52. Armadillo

    I’d love to see these bastards have to forfeit money for every broken pre election promise.

    Ideally, I’d like to see a ballot paper that’s based on promises (regardless of party). For example, “Freedom of Speech” or “Gay Rights” or whatever. If the bastards walk into Parliament and vote against it, they don’t get paid their cash.

  53. Armadillo

    And automatically booted. It’s a contract. Us mere mortals have to deal with them every day.

  54. Armadillo

    Sinc, I told you this thread sucks. Time to kill it.

    I can say the most ridiculous things, and not even a bite, let alone a nibble.

  55. Armadillo

    #I miss the old thread.

  56. RobK

    Hi ‘dillo,
    ‘Was just passing, thought I’d drop in.

  57. Armadillo

    Tom will be here, soon.

  58. RobK

    It’s impossible to see how betting markets would influence people to trend in that direction.
    Im told it happens quite a bit in sport, so why not politics.

  59. Armadillo

    Almost out of beer. Send help.

  60. RobK

    Id say a good number of people believe the bookmakers more than the supposedly professional pollsters in the lead-up to elections.

  61. Mitch M.

    What we found startling was that white privilege lessons didn’t increase liberals’ sympathy for poor Black people,”

    If an organism has an advantage what makes them think it will give up that advantage? The result is just what you would expect from evolutionary determined creatures.

  62. RobK

    What we found startling was that white privilege lessons didn’t increase liberals’ sympathy for poor Black people,”
    That they found this startling says more about them than any “privalige “.

  63. Mitch M.

    Cancer Research Points to Key Unknowns about Popular “Antiaging” Supplements

    Zippy, Fleeced,

    This relates to NMN and NR. Based on cell energetics I had a suspicion about this but was unaware of any supporting evidence. None yet but cancer researchers have suggested caution. We can’t be sure but one of the big generic problems with antiaging strategies is many people over 50 have pre-cancerous or cancerous cells in their body. Microtumours are probably present. Supplements that support energy generation may have the perverse effect of preventing dangerous cells become senescent and becoming cancerous because senescent cells don’t divide. Rescuing senescent cells is the last thing we want to do and perhaps NMN and NR do that.

    This type of finding is not new. Another popular supplement N A cysteine, which promotes the major antioxidant pathway in mitochondria thereby improving energy generation, has also been implicated for increasing cancer risk.

  64. Tom

    Poor widdle fings: David Wowe getting all teary about black-froated finches.

  65. Armadillo

    Id say a good number of people believe the bookmakers more than the supposedly professional pollsters in the lead-up to elections.

    The bookmakers had it totally wrong (up until a couple of days out). So did the pollsters (right up until 6pm on Saturday). I think this election was some what different. The mood was “who gives a fuck” because these mob are both as bad as each other. Better the devil you know. Or more precisely, certainty is better than uncertainty.

    It’s fine to say that in hindsight. I didn’t pick it.

    It’s very much different to what happened in the US and Europe. They wanted change. Deep down, I think a lot of Australians recognised that a move to left wasn’t a wise move. They just weren’t telling anyone.

  66. Tom

    It’s tornado season in America. Chip Bok.

  67. RobK

    The bookmakers had it totally wrong (up until a couple of days out).
    Yes, but a concerted effort by punter/s could throw the perception and thereby try to influence the outcome.
    The jolly pollsters run up the wrong path by asking stupid, leading questions like; “do you believe in climate change “, thinking it means some anthropogenic cause.

  68. egg_

    this is the blog where the Friday ‘boys night’ was spent debating the physics of a coin toss.

    And going into the National Archives – wunderbar!
    Glad to see ‘restoration tips for vintage cars’ giving Krikkit a back seat.

  69. egg_

    A country with state-run fishing fleets sounds like an ideal partner for “free trade”!

    LMFAO!
    Irony averse.

  70. egg_

    Id say a good number of people believe the bookmakers more than the supposedly professional pollsters in the lead-up to elections.

    I’d have thought that punters would be betting on whom they think the majority would vote for, not whom they they’d vote for, since the aim is to win the dosh.

  71. Bad Samaritan

    Armadillo (4.03am) Betting markets never get it wrong. They give you the probabilities…..both of which are close to correct in a two-horse race. To understand this think of a coin toss….

    If the bookie offers $2 on Heads and $2 on Tails, they are both correct, despite Heads coming next time. If the table offers $36 on each number at roulette and $2 on Black these are both (very close to) correct, despite one being a longshot and the other a “good thing”. If you back #7 and it arrives you got it, but both odds were correct.

    This fundamental misunderstanding about how bookies win is exactly why most punters do not (cannot) win. If, for example, Labor had been $1.20 and the coalition $8, that would have been a “sure-bet” situation, since you could have put $100 on the LNP and $667 on Labor to get $800 back in both cases (you only bet $767). One was wrong….but which one does not matter. Maybe both.

    Faked poll results are the problem; not misunderstood betting odds. The faked polls are to try to make voters think they are ‘wasting their time” voting LNP; not to do it. A deliberately “faked betting market” would open the bookies up to big losses, and would not happen since enough punters would pounce on them to destroy the bookie (it’s a market, remember!). Maybe this will help Cheers..

  72. Fisky, source re China and PNG puppets please?

    Meanwhile our RAN aircraft near South China Sea getting zapped by Lazers and Hastie, Sharma and Stoker left out of ministry.

    Charming!

  73. DrBeauGan

    Error message for the ramirez again, Tom.

  74. RobK

    Dr BG,
    I got that the other day (error26) but not today.

  75. DrBeauGan

    What was the michaelpramirez.com site again? Just that or /something?

  76. DrBeauGan

    It might be a timeout thing, RobK

  77. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    This type of finding is not new. Another popular supplement N A cysteine, which promotes the major antioxidant pathway in mitochondria thereby improving energy generation, has also been implicated for increasing cancer risk.

    interesting. it always seems like you’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t. WHile the anti-ageing would certainly be welcome my current pressing problem and interest in NMN relates to reversing atherosclerosis.

  78. Twostix

    BOM are the m0nty of the weather world. Absolutely freezing!

  79. Cactus

    Morning all. Today is Christmas for Scotch drinkers. Ardbeg Day! They are going to do their annual release which I think will be a rum cask expression. Raise a dram and celebrate.

    Will be a bit tired and emotional latter.

  80. calli

    Uh oh. It’s yuuuuge! Trump is not in the clear and cannot be charged with a crime because he is President!

    So sez Seven.

    How exactly did that work for Nixon? No one seems able to talk about that.

  81. 2dogs

    must we wait until 21st of June

    Surely the solstice would be the height of winter, not its start?

    That, by itself, would make the start of winter 7 May. But the Earth has some thermal capacitance, so the temperature changes lag. 1 June is a great estimate.

  82. calli

    I enjoyed the God argument, it introduced me to Wittgenstein. Dunno why you guys are whingeing, just scroll by.

    On the no perfect circles in the universe proposition, how could you possibly know? That would just be a statement of faith like all the others. The universe is a rather large place. 🙂

  83. Richard Nixon was not impeached. The House Judiciary Committee recommended impeachment and removal from office of the president for obstructing justice, abuse of power and contempt of Congress.
    Before the required vote, Nixon resigned, effective Aug. 9, 1974.

    Fatty 5D* has demonstrably abused power, and his administration obviously has contempt for Congress.

    *Trump was deferred from service in Vietnam 5 times and has a weight problem.

  84. calli

    Thank you, numbers. The Beloved reminded me just before I pressed “Post”. I should listen to him more often.

  85. calli

    The blog can now get off the God treadmill and back onto the Trump treadmill.

    For some, the two seem interchangeable.

  86. Leigh Lowe

    PURGE: NKorea executes top diplomat for American summit failure…

    I warming to Kim Jong Haircut.
    Anybody who summarily despatches diplomats is top shelf.

  87. Notafan

    I like Trump.

    But God is the best, He sent us His Son, and the world changed, forever.

  88. Twostix

    If they impeach Trump the next one will be a million times worse.

    Retarded Clintonian bugmen do not understand Obama was their highwater mark. That whole world is gone. Sad for the 20 / 30 year old Ultra Conservative establishment bugmen suckups.

    I mean they cant even get their party elected in colonial outposts yet they think they rule the world because they temporarily have control of cultural levers. Their bluster and carry on is just whistling past the graveyard.

  89. Notafan

    Baddies versus baddies but why would anyone support Al nusrah?

    Oh wait, it’s Erdogan.

    meanwhile in Syria

  90. bespoke

    *Johno offered actual first hand experiences of opting out from his fellow Diggers and 1735099 turned him down.

    *Numbers Bob had a perfectly legal alternative to being conscripted. He chose not to exercise that option H/T Zulu .

    * 1735099 tried to game the system and lost H/T KD.

    *

  91. Farmer Gez

    Sydney on water restrictions for the first time in ten years because of CLIMATE CHANGE.
    Sydney has added over a million people to the population in the same time. That amounts to 200 megalitres extra water a day based on the useage per head.
    Could there be a link?

  92. Notafan

    Has Sydney increased its water storage capacity in the last ten years?

  93. Echoes of the Hitler myth.
    This kind of activity was undertaken frequently during the Third Reich by commanders, so as not to offend the führer.

  94. DrBeauGan

    On the no perfect circles in the universe proposition, how could you possibly know? That would just be a statement of faith like all the others. The universe is a rather large place.

    Things in the universe are made out of atoms, Calli. Atoms are lumpy. Also the universe has dirt, noise and leaks. The orbit of a planet around a star is very, very nearly an ellipse. But not exactly, because the star is shooting out stuff, atoms/ions and radiation, so the planet sweeps up junk which slows it down. It’s not just the sublunary region which falls short of perfection. The whole universe does. You get perfect circles in language, not in reality.

    If you look for a straight line in nature, you won’t find one. Close, but under magnification you can see the lumps. Even a beam of light isn’t a straight line. It bends in gravitational fields and it spreads out as it goes.

    This is the nature of reality. It’s a mess, and very unhygienic. Experimental physics is rather like dealing with small children. It’s very hard work. And very demanding on the brain.

  95. Farmer Gez

    Has Sydney increased its water storage capacity in the last ten years?

    Heretic!
    Go and flagellate yourself Nota.

  96. Twostix

    How has making stories up about Trump helped so far?

  97. 2dogs

    Impeaching Trump would be an even bigger nothing burger than the impeachment of Clinton.

    At least with Clinton, the verdict got a bare (but insufficient) majority in the senate. A Trump impeachment wouldn’t even get that.

    Given that the US constitution makes impeachment a bipartisan process, only an idiot would imagine that partisan behaviour could possibly result in it.

  98. Twostix

    Build a dam or cut immigration.

    The inner city Bugmen classes are using water as a political weapon against their suburban enemies like they do in shit South American countries

  99. Notafan

    I’m reading Mindhunter ATM.

    One of the cases discussed occurred in Atlanta in around 1984.

    Author mentioned that some homes of poor blacks (the victims were black children and the perpetrator a black man, to be clear) had no electricity or running water.

    Understandable, perhaps in a rural setting, but in a large city, that is a disgrace.

    I’m guessing, a Democrat stronghold.

  100. Leigh Lowe

    On the removal of a US President by impeachment, it is not going to happen.
    Impeachment done by a simple majority of the Lower House, is like the act of laying charges.
    The President stays in office until the charges are heard by the Senate, which requires a 2/3 majority for the removal to proceed.
    That is, 67 of 100 senators.
    The Republicans hold 53 Senate seats.
    The Dimocrats would need all their senators for, plus 2 independents, plus 20 (twenty) Republicans to cross the floor.
    Not happening.
    It is all grandstanding.

  101. Twostix

    Impeachment would make Trimp more pwerful than ever.

    That’s why Pelosi refuses to do it. Unfortunately even she is now held hostage by the lunatic literally crazed members of the middle class democrat cult.

  102. calli

    Thanks, DrBeau. Now I see where the argument started. On the atomic level, we live in a universe of lumps and spaces – got it. It’s a wonderful thing, like looking at tiny galaxies.

    Odd thing is, we have an idea of “perfect” and “straight” even though such a thing doesn’t exist in the physical world.

  103. Leigh Lowe

    Odd thing is, we have an idea of “perfect” and “straight” even though such a thing doesn’t exist in the physical world.

    Steady on.
    I may not be perfect, but I am definitely straight.

  104. Twostix

    Imagine an age were old far left Pelosi is now a moderate figure in the democrats.

    Unsustainable Establishments dont die they go crazy and commit suicide (usually asking Russia to do the final deed for them).

  105. Notafan

    I’m sure you are perfectly straight LL.

  106. bespoke

    Impeachment for what? A rambling statement by Mueller if the is the new norm “we can’t prove you are guilty” they are in trouble.

  107. Tel

    Has Sydney increased its water storage capacity in the last ten years?

    All new dwellings and major modifications to existing dwellings need to have a minimum of local water storage.

    http://www.basixcertificatecentre.com.au/Rainwater-tank.htm

    However, think about how strange that the same city government that once made it illegal to have water tanks, now insist you have them … but also that on the whole they make sure everyone installs quite small tanks with highly complex plumbing systems. It almost looks like an excuse to spend other people’s money.

  108. Tom

    It never ceases to amaze me that the God Emperor can get demented leftard trolls on the other side of the world posting gibberish — in this case a Democrat-voting media whore whining longingly about pussy-grabbing — that proves his contempt of Congress. Bwahahahaha.

    How does that work? Oh yeah, it’s the vibe. Hahaha.

  109. Notafan

    In other words rather than build a new dam the government has forced people to waste millions on inadequate limited use makeshift water storage.

  110. Tel

    On the no perfect circles in the universe proposition, how could you possibly know? That would just be a statement of faith like all the others. The universe is a rather large place.

    That’s a fair point.

    There’s no perfect circles at my local Woolworths … never met the guy who stacks those shelves but judging from the mangled and dented steel cans he leaves behind, I don’t intend to make him angry.

  111. calli

    The Shoalhaven dam should have gone ahead thirty years ago. I think we have Steel Cut Oats Carr to thank for its shelving.

  112. Tel

    The inner city Bugmen classes are using water as a political weapon against their suburban enemies like they do in shit South American countries

    Agreed. It’s a more effective weapon when the supply is tight … even better when you have someone to blame for that.

  113. calli

    At the turn of the century, government killed off the nursery industry in Sydney. Only the big bug corporates, growing a narrow range of species, remain. All the little specialist growers are gone.

  114. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    On the no perfect circles in the universe proposition, how could you possibly know? That would just be a statement of faith like all the others. The universe is a rather large place.

    you are confusing pure faith without evidence or falsifiability with evidence based beliefs. religion is the realm of pure faith and science is the realm of evidential belief subject to revision, the former strongly resists revisionism.

  115. DrBeauGan

    Odd thing is, we have an idea of “perfect” and “straight” even though such a thing doesn’t exist in the physical world.

    We simplify. We pull a rope tight and get something about as straight as LL. But it has thickness from closer up. A peg banged into the shore of the Nile is pretty small compared with the rope attached to it, so we imagine it has zero size but still has a location. And we set the thickness of an imaginary rope to zero, but keep it tight all the same. The process is called abstraction and consists of ignoring completely the bits of reality which are too messy to handle.

    Some people can’t deal with it. They figure that if you threw that amount of bathwater away, there must have been a few babies in it. Trying to explain that astronomers treat the planets as points when calculating orbits can be disorienting for somebody who lives on one. Doing abstraction in something new requires imagination and moral courage.

  116. Leigh Lowe

    Why are their water restrictions?
    You’ve upset the ancient water spirits, that’s why.
    Only constitional Wreckcognition will put the water back.

  117. calli

    you are confusing pure faith without evidence

    There is evidence, Zippy. But perhaps not the type of evidence that you would accept. I’m thinking of lives that are completely changed, for instance.

    Dr Beau explained what was meant, and it seemed perfectly reasonable to me.

  118. Leigh Lowe

    Having two lightly poached black throated finch eggs for brekkie.
    With smoked dolphin kippers.
    Yum.

  119. dover_beach

    Odd thing is, we have an idea of “perfect” and “straight” even though such a thing doesn’t exist in the physical world.

    It isn’t odd, Calli. DrBeauGan is mixing up language and thought. We can have perfect circles in thought because they are abstracts from reality. This doesn’t mean that a straight line is not true, it just means they may be very difficult to find in nature because of conflicting forces.

  120. Bruce of Newcastle

    The Shoalhaven dam should have gone ahead thirty years ago.

    And the Tillegra Dam should’ve gone ahead 10 years ago.
    I haven’t looked at demographics lately but I suspect population in the Hunter region is exploding.

  121. John Constantine

    Tens of gigaliters of water returned to the coorong by diverting one old drainage ditch from dumping the fresh water into the sea.

    The signed transnational conventions on the Rights of the waterfowl of the coorong are the excuse for the clearances of the Murray darling basin and the rewilding of Australia’s irrigation districts.

    Then we see how cheap it is to find fifty gigaliters without wiping out a foodbowl to do it.

    Almost as if the waterfowl of the coorong were only an excuse to sign a binding commitment to deindustrialise Australia and do rewilding.

    Comrades.

  122. BrettW

    LL,
    Now I know why there is an Animal Justice Party! Panda sandwich for lunch ?

    Oz cartoon today features coal miners carrying the finch in a cage with tag line :
    Where have the finches gone ?
    They got jobs.

    PS just for the record I do actually like panda’s.

  123. cohenite

    Some fag who can play the piano:

    “I’m sick to death of Brexit” he continued to cheers from the crowd, “I am a European. I am not a stupid colonial, imperialist English idiot.”

    Guess who.

  124. Leigh Lowe

    PS just for the record I do actually like panda’s.

    Me too, but they can be fatty.
    Best to double cook them like duck to render some of the excess fat away.

  125. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Chilling twist in horror head-on smash: Handwritten note is found 200m from the scene of crash that killed a mother and her four children – as police say the letter points to murder-suicide

    A handwritten note found 200m from a crash scene points to a murder-suicide
    The note was found near crash site where Charmaine McLeod and her kids died
    Ms McLeod and her children died in a head-on collision with a truck on Monday
    Police and family have no idea why she was on the Bunya Highway at that time

    Daily Mail.

  126. ACTOldFart

    Over at the OZ, Peter van Wrongagain is predicting thet the Morrison government will struggle with a slowing economy:

    “The slowdown in growth will pose a challenge for the Morrison government to keep its campaign promises.”

    Suggests to me that it would be a great time to pile into stocks, shares and any other growth asset you can find.

  127. Bruce

    The Ozzie Labore Pardee – proudly mounting the infinite steps to the monument that celebrates History’s most ignominious losers (again – and again and again and again, ad infinitum).

  128. Stimpson J. Cat

    Doing abstraction in something new requires imagination and moral courage

    No, it actually requires neither.
    It only requires Nerds.
    This is actually your unsubstantiated belief that it requires both these things rather than the mundane reality.

    😁

  129. Bruce

    Once more: with “feeling”.

    The Ozzie Labore Pardee – proudly mounting the infinite steps to the monument that celebrates History’s most ignominious losers (again – and again and again and again, ad infinitum).

    Think of them noy as “steps”, but the inside of a gigantic hamster wheel.

  130. John Constantine

    Looks like they found the murder suicide note from the wymynsys that inflicted the agonising flaming end upon her carload of kids.

    No howling and enraged leftist sobstocracy candle vigil for these kiddies, or the bloke she drove into or the blokes of emergency services that had to watch the children burn or those that had to decently salvage the very indecently sacrificed kinderbodies.

    Wymynsys as victim of the patriarchal society is the only Disasterporn they want to mass market as a religion substitute.

    Weaponised for political profit.

    Comrades.

  131. Gab

    Morning all. Trump is still President.

  132. Leigh Lowe

    No, it actually requires neither.
    It only requires Nerds.
    This is actually your unsubstantiated belief that it requires both these things rather than the mundane reality.

    Harsh. But fair.
    I think we should move on to the vexed question of whether wooden witches float or sink.

  133. Sinclair Davidson

    Morning Gab.

    Some threadsters suggested, rather unkindly, that I need instruction on how many open threads we should have per week.

  134. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    What’s the name of the principle that says that the first to introduce Hitler and the Nazis into any argument, has just lost that argument?

  135. Stimpson J. Cat

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #3031196, posted on May 31, 2019 at 10:03 pm
    Reminder that you should all possibly have a look at the new Neil Gaiman Terry Pratchett Good Omens TV Series finally out right now.
    😁

  136. calli

    Doing abstraction in something new requires imagination and moral courage

    What is “moral courage”? It sounds suspiciously like something that could be used to justify all sorts of wicked behaviour.

    Why not just plain old, garden variety “courage”?

  137. Stimpson J. Cat

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #3031196, posted on May 31, 2019 at 10:03 pm
    Reminder that you should all possibly have a look at the new Gaiman Pratchett Good Omens TV Series finally out right now.
    😁

  138. Sinclair Davidson

    Can’t recall Zulu. But, um, you just lost the argument. 😎

  139. dover_beach

    What does it mean to say that achieving X requires A and/or B? Asking for a friend.

  140. Bruce of Newcastle

    Grows like a weed…

    Oregon, awash in marijuana, takes steps to curb production

    SALEM, Ore. — Oregon is awash in pot, glutted with so much legal weed that if growing were to stop today, it could take more than six years by one estimate to smoke or eat it all. Now, the state is looking to curb production.

    Good luck trying to get tax revenue out of something so easy to grow. The leafy green suburbs are going to become even more green and leafy.

  141. Sinclair Davidson

    Godwins law.

  142. 132andBush

    As Farmer Gez said, it’s an extra 200megs/day, 1.4gigs/week.

    No new storages, just a pathetic desal plant which, apparently, runs only on wind/solar power! (h/t Monty)
    Of course this means that even when switched on (according to the figures) it would only be able to be run at a maximum of 25% capacity.
    Yes, I know, they wouldn’t do that in real life. They’d draw power from the already stretched conventional grid, I’m just illustrating the farce.

  143. Stimpson J. Cat

    What is “moral courage”? It sounds suspiciously like something that could be used to justify all sorts of wicked behaviour.
    Why not just plain old, garden variety “courage”?

    There is a difference.
    Moral Courage is a Mentally Ill man bravely battling Male Pattern Baldness.
    Garden Variety Courage is Sinclair Davidson wearing a Mankini to work.
    Hope that clears things up.

  144. Sinclair Davidson

    Stimpy – after last night belly dancing effort I’m surprised to see you. You should be in protective custody.

  145. calli

    On the idea of the “perfect”, there’s a lot of discussion here amongst the fellas about the perfect woman. Of course, no such creature exists. And so we get lots of links to sex dolls.

    Another abstraction, I guess. 😀

  146. lotocoti

    Having two lightly poached black throated finch eggs for brekkie.
    With smoked dolphin kippers.
    Yum.

    Now I have a hankering for some crumbed Mary River Lungfish fillets.
    If I can score some Dyna-gel from the pub, a little fly fishing might be on the cards.

  147. calli

    Thanks, Stimps.

    I knew someone would have a sensible answer to a Deep Question.

  148. Stimpson J. Cat

    Stimpy – after last night belly dancing effort I’m surprised to see you. You should be in protective custody.

    It’s because I have Moral Courage.

  149. Nick

    Sinc, who is going to disappoint their supporters more today, the Blues or your lot?

  150. DrBeauGan

    Watch it, Stimpy. If it wasn’t for us nerds in times past, you wouldn’t be in Australia because captain Cook wouldn’t have known where he was and couldn’t have found his way home. You’d be standing in an English field picking turnips. If you hadn’t been burnt at the stake for hallucinating.

    And you wouldn’t be on medication because it was invented by nerds. Be respectful to nerds, we’re responsible for keeping you reasonably close to sanity.

  151. Leigh Lowe

    Sinc, who is going to disappoint their supporters more today, the Blues or your lot?

    Disappointment is reserved for the Sabbath.

  152. bespoke

    Sinc, who is going to disappoint their supporters more today, the Blues or your lot?

    Who’s got more potential greatness?

  153. Derp

    Handwritten note is found 200m from the scene of crash that killed a mother and her four children – as police say the letter points to murder-suicide

    I hope that’s not true, I really do. That’s a sickening result.
    The kids we’re incinerated in that car. The little girl they got out didn’t survive for long.

  154. Leigh Lowe

    Sinclair Davidson

    #3031519, posted on June 1, 2019 at 9:11 am

    Godwins law

    I now promulgate Lowe’s Law.
    “The longer an on-line discussion continues, the probability approaches 1 that Godwin will get a run.”

  155. Stimpson J. Cat

    Be respectful to nerds, we’re responsible for keeping you reasonably close to sanity.

    In sure that’s the first sentence that comes to everyones mind every time you and Dover start arguing in a Perfect Circle.
    Again.

    😁

  156. Woolfe

    Well don’t try it in a Volco XC90 as according to Clarkson

    But Volvo’s in a different league. I mean, look at it this way: in 15 years, the number of people killed in the big-selling XC90 model is … zero.

  157. DrBeauGan

    What is “moral courage”? It sounds suspiciously like something that could be used to justify all sorts of wicked behaviour.

    It’s to distinguish it from the sort of bravery you see in battle which is heat of the moment adrenaline fueled courage; moral courage is the kind of thing you need in order to confront unpleasant truths. Those who prefer to pretend that nothing bad is on the horizon and hide under the bed are short on moral courage. You need it to deal with new abstractions because people are only comfortable with the abstractions they have known from childhood. New ones are shocking.

  158. Boambee John

    *Trump was deferred from service in Vietnam 5 times and has a weight problem.

    The Trump OCD is acting up again.

  159. Boambee John

    *Trump was deferred from service in Vietnam 5 times and has a weight problem.

    This comment has no relevance to Nixon and Watergate.

    Looks like a clear case of perseveration.

  160. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The Trump OCD is acting up again.

    Does Godwin’s Law apply to Donald Trump, “who, in time will be known as one of the United States most heroic presidents?” (H/T Riccardo Bosi.)

  161. lotocoti

    The Trump OCD is acting up again.

    The constant repetition might be a sign of senile decay.

  162. Stimpson J. Cat

    moral courage. You need it to deal with new abstractions because people are only comfortable with the abstractions they have known from childhood.

    As I said,
    Moral Courage is a Mentally Ill man bravely battling Male Pattern Baldness.
    😁

  163. rickw

    Fisky, source re China and PNG puppets please?

    Meanwhile our RAN aircraft near South China Sea getting zapped by Lazers and Hastie, Sharma and Stoker left out of ministry.

    Charming!

    The Chicoms are trying hard to get a bloody nose. It will most likely come first in PNG, the PNG ruling class will push things to far, the locals will settle the score in their usual fashion, everyone gets Chinese for dinner, literally.

  164. Sinclair Davidson

    I have consistently downgraded my expectations this season. From a top 4 finish, to a finals finish, to maybe they’ll sack Woosha, to sack Woosha and delist Daniher.

    Right now winning against the Blues will be a glorious victory.

  165. mh

    Pete m

    Looking back at this video from early 2016, it’s hard to imagine many being disappointed by Trump’s first term. Only Bernie could be a threat to Trump in 2020, but I think his time has passed. This is a Guardian journo finding that intersection between Trump and Bernie supporters.

    Why people vote Donald Trump: the death of the American dream | US Elections 2016

  166. Roger

    I see “senior Labor figures” are now blaming factionalism for their loss.

    Not a clue.

  167. Nick

    Right now winning against the Blues will be a glorious victory.

    Lol, different teams, same feeling.
    Strange that all I want is Bolton gone at this stage.

  168. Des Deskperson

    ‘I warming to Kim Jong Haircut.
    Anybody who summarily despatches diplomats is top shelf.’

    Leigh, Australia has a whole lot of diplomats, and they cost us a packet.

    DFAT has 274 Senior Executive Service (SES) employees, That’s not only a far higher proportion of senior staff to overall employees than any other APS agency; it’s more senior staff than any other agency.

    What these highly paid and lavishly supported people actually do to, as they say add value and progress Australia’s interests in places like Budapest or Mexico City escapes me.

  169. Rossini

    calli
    #3031487, posted on June 1, 2019 at 8:35 am
    I thought it was Bunnings who killed off the nursery industry…..or maybe just the “local” nursery

  170. Nick

    This got sent to me as a mutual acquaintance is mentioned. It’s quite interesting:

    We Asked Canberra’s Hospo Workers to Review Australian Politicians

    https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/597wgb/we-asked-canberras-hospo-workers-to-review-australian-politicians

  171. The Chicoms are trying hard to get a bloody nose.

  172. Knuckle Dragger

    You know – there’s a perennial argument, and one that I mostly subscribe to, that the act of suicide is largely selfish due to the ongoing impact it has on the person’s family, friends, co-workers and so on.

    There’s a counter-argument that says that once you’re in that frame of mind, you’re just thinking about yourself and don’t care about the wider consequences of your act. This I can also accept but only to a very, very limited degree – and I point to the countless cases of people who suicide in their own homes, where no-one but the cops will find them, with their wallet and personal effects neatly laid out on a table and a note – to explain why I’m largely sceptical of that concept.

    But if you’ve thought about the wider consequences of your action – such as, if I’m gone my kids won’t be able to survive without me – and then pack them into a car and ram it into eighteen tons of steel coming just as fast the other way, then in my humble view you deserve to be kept alive at the scene if possible by the ambos/firies/cops, but only so that once you’ve recovered you can have your remaining skin flayed off in public, followed by staking you to the ground so you can be methodically eaten by a combination of meat ants and wild dogs.

    I don’t give a fuck about her problems. Everyone has problems.

    You selfish, selfish bitch.

  173. Roberto

    Huzzah! A text message has just informed me that the intrepid NBN team, after years of toil and struggle, has finally broken through and connected the remote, isolated district of North Sydney to the rest of the world. Gaudeamus igitur!

  174. Roger

    “I am a European. I am not a stupid colonial, imperialist English idiot.”

    How many European languages do you speak?

    Oh, just English then.

    Idiot.

  175. DrBeauGan

    As I said,
    Moral Courage is a Mentally Ill man bravely battling Male Pattern Baldness.

    Yes, it is. Battling on in the face of adversity does take moral courage. I’m glad you have some, Stimpy.

    If you had even more, you might learn some new ideas and turn into a nerd. But that’s probably a bridge too far, and too much to ask.

  176. cohenite

    11 dead in another US shooting; disgruntled bureaucrat kills 12 fellow workers, none of whom were armed.

  177. The Chicoms are trying hard to get a bloody nose.

    Chicoms?
    Only the Chinese refer to themselves as “Communist.” There are no communes in China.
    Only the Norks describe themselves as “Democratic” (DPRK). There is only one party in North Korea.
    Only the NAZIs back in the day (and a few historical revisionists now) described themselves as “socialist”.
    Anyone else see a pattern?

  178. candy

    There would be masses of English people who bought and still buy Elton John’s music, and he calls them “idiots”.
    Also he is “Sir Elton”.

    I don’t know, but sounds like biting the hand that fed and still feeds you.

  179. DrBeauGan

    Anyone else see a pattern?

    Yes. You can’t trust lefties to tell the truth for long.

  180. Roger

    Anyone else see a pattern?

    Patterns are merely abstractions.

  181. 11 dead in another US shooting; disgruntled bureaucrat kills 12 fellow workers, none of whom were armed.

    That’s not news.
    There’s been 26 shootings in the USA since May 18th.
    There’s been 21976 this year
    It’s a major health problem.
    In Pakistan, the Taliban resist polio immunisations.
    In the USA the NRA resist gun control.

    On this basis, both are primitive societies…..

  182. Percy Popinjay

    now blaming factionalism

    LOL. Cue the Molotov character in “the Death of Stalin”.

  183. calli

    Rossini, there were once many small private nurserymen who would sell limited ranges onto the wholesale market. They no longer exist because, over a period of a few years, water restrictions made their businesses unviable. Another problem was replacement – they were all getting old. And their nurseries were in areas marked for development (even the wholesalers found this – Plantmark in Sydney has moved further out to Vineyard).

    Now, we have big production nurseries (often linked to a retailer) and a miniscule number of specialist producers still struggling along.

    The (imperfect) circle of life.

  184. Knuckle Dragger

    I bet the Pakis tip their waiters.

  185. Stimpson J. Cat

    You know – there’s a perennial argument, and one that I mostly subscribe to, that the act of suicide is largely selfish due to the ongoing impact it has on the person’s family, friends, co-workers and so on.

    There is no argument.
    Killing your self, yourself, is the very definition of selfish.

    It’s why I find Buddhists so amusing.

  186. LOL. Cue the Molotov character in “the Death of Stalin”.

    Endut! Hoch hech!

  187. DrBeauGan

    Collectivists naturally object to other people being selfish. They want you to live for others, preferably them.

  188. candy

    A note near a crash scene sounds extremely odd. Would it not blow away?

    I wonder if the mother was simply on her phone and even texting.

  189. Tom

    Lol, different teams, same feeling.
    Strange that all I want is Bolton gone at this stage.

    You and me both, Nick. And most Blues fans are sick of being humiliated by the Tasmanian bush league kiddie coach (who, compared to premiership coaches like David Parkin and Robbie Walls, is about as frightening as Alfred E. Newman).

    Thankfully, the heavy hitters in the Blues membership (like pokies king Bruce Matheson) are now moving against him and Brad Scott’s decision to pull the pin at North has put a cat among the pigeons in the AFL coaching merry-go-round.

  190. You selfish, selfish bitch.

    When Rosie Batty’s husband brutally killed her son and committed suicide by police, if you read this blog, it was all her fault.
    Using that very special Catallaxy reasoning, Charmaine McLeod’s husband will now be blamed.

    Only a very special idiot would publicly abuse a dead mother, and by implication, her grieving ex-husband – an act both cruelly gratuitous and bizarre.
    You are a very strange piece of work.

  191. calli

    Everyone has problems.

    The temptation to despair is just that, a temptation. It can be resisted. No one is to blame but the person who commits the act.

    But watch as this horror morphs into making mum the victim and the children become collateral damage. And where there’s a victim, there’s a perpetrator. Take your pick.

  192. notafan

    I see “senior Labor figures” are now blaming factionalism for their loss.

    Not a clue.

    Didn’t Labor expend much money during the campaign saying how awesomely united they were compared to the LNP

    filed away for future reference

  193. Makka

    They want you to live for others, preferably them.

    Indeed, living for your own family is such a fkg drag.

  194. Percy Popinjay

    Thanks Dot, that was very LOLworthy.

  195. notafan

    a dead mother

    How the left use language to control the narrative

    she is a dead women who, with premeditation, killed her four little children in a manner that caused them great fear, pain and suffering

    because it’s all about my feelz

  196. memoryvault

    Right now winning against the Blues will be a glorious victory.

    If you’ve got a spare harbour bridge or an opera house for sale, he Doomlord’s in a speculative mood today. Get in quick though – it’s not likely to see the day out.

  197. notafan

    it was all her fault.

    Was such a claim made?

    Or did people say she contributed to it and profited by it when the real victim was a little boy, who she knew was scared of his father?

  198. Leigh Lowe

    You know – there’s a perennial argument, and one that I mostly subscribe to, that the act of suicide is largely selfish due to the ongoing impact it has on the person’s family, friends, co-workers and so on.
    There’s a counter-argument that says that once you’re in that frame of mind, you’re just thinking about yourself and don’t care about the wider consequences of your act.

    A few years ago when a workmate topped himself, a perfessional counsellor was brought into work.
    I didn’t bother feeding that particular beast, but apparently there are two broad types of suicides:-

    Firstly there are people who basically try to go off very quietly, and often go to great lengths so that the body won’t even be found, almost as if it is a denial that they existed in the first place.

    Secondly, there are people who want the most spectacular exit possible. Think of the person who does a very messy shooting inside the house, or hangs themselves in the garage so that whoever operates the automatic garage door gets the big reveal.

  199. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘if you read this blog’

    If YOU read this blog, you would realise that the person blaming Rosie Batty for her son’s death was me. Yesterday. Look it up.

    The difference is that Mr McLeod will now be unjustifiably blamed, as opposed to Batty now lives on her blood-soaked earnings as a professional victim.

    You do realise that this incident is partly your fault, don’t you?

  200. Tel

    Collectivists naturally object to other people being selfish. They want you to live for others, preferably them.

    But Doc, they are doing you a favour by telling you what to do all the time. It’s for your own good you know.

    The least you could do is return the favour by doing what you are told.

    On the topic of doing what you were told, have you solved any ODEs yet? How are you going with the Lorenz system … there’s more coming when you get that one sorted 😉

  201. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    How the left use language to control the narrative

    Well said. “A dead mother” who murdered her four children.

  202. feelthebern

    From the Weekend AFR.
    1) Another good article how Liverpool “money-balled” their way to the Champions League final;
    2) David Sharma is a former Alexander Downer advisor ! WTF, if I had done my research I would have voted for Phelps.
    The Downers & everyone from their coaching tree must be expunged from the Australian political landscape.

  203. From Virginia’s gun regulations –

    Open carry of a handgun without a permit is legal in Virginia at age 18, withstanding other applicable laws. Concealed carry of a handgun is allowed for persons who hold a valid CHP (concealed handgun permit), comply with certain restrictions, or who hold certain positions. Virginia shall issue a CHP to applicants 21 years of age or older, provided that they meet certain safety training requirements and do not have any disqualifying criminal convictions. Consuming an alcoholic beverage in ABC on-premises licensed restaurants and clubs, while carrying a concealed handgun, is prohibited; nor may any person carry a concealed handgun in a public place while under the influence of alcohol or illegal drugs

    Carry is OK – just stay sober.
    I wonder if this perp was drunk or sober.
    Where was TGGWAG?
    Virginia is an open carry state, after all.
    What a weird and wonderful place….

  204. None

    So Christian Porter has slapped down any idea of religious protections a la Folau. He reckons he can’t interfere with contracts. So of course anyone can offer a contract that indirecrly excludes religious people. Told ya the Libs are squibs.

  205. DrBeauGan

    Indeed, living for your own family is such a fkg drag.

    I never found it so in the far off days when I had one. But living for people I barely know and wouldn’t like if I knew them better, no, I don’t think so.

  206. dover_beach

    she is a dead women who, with premeditation, killed her four little children in a manner that caused them great fear, pain and suffering

    Do we know this know how? I haven’t been following the story.

  207. bespoke

    Nick

    My first job was bag boy in the ACT, All thous story’s ring true but entitlement crosses all boundary’s.

    I do wish taxi drivers would shut up and drive though.

  208. memoryvault

    I don’t know, but sounds like biting the hand that fed and still feeds you.

    A common enough affliction amongst the entertainment celebrity class, Candy.

  209. Percy Popinjay

    killed her four little children in a manner that caused them great fear, pain and suffering

    But, according to our beloved resident tiresome syphilis addled monomaniacal narcissistic onanist, she’s beyond criticism.

    He’s vainly pounding his little fists in fury because he’s been proven utterly wrong (again).

    The fuckwit.

  210. feelthebern

    Rosie Batty allowed her former partner access to her son.
    Even though the former partner was charged with (amongst other things) accessing child p0rn.
    Regardless of what else is said about Ms Batty, allowing her former partner to have any non-court ordered, supervised access to her son shows she was an unfit parent.

  211. dover_beach

    Sorry, Do we know this now?

  212. notafan

    “I’m sick to death of Brexit” he continued to cheers from the crowd, “I am a European. I am not a stupid colonial, imperialist English idiot.”

    Doesn’t he live in LA?

  213. DrBeauGan

    On the topic of doing what you were told, have you solved any ODEs yet? How are you going with the Lorenz system … there’s more coming when you get that one sorted

    I’m not terribly good at doing unpaid work, Tel. I’ve explained that we know a solution exists but cannot be expressed in terms of elementary functions, so has to be done numerically, and that the guy on the website you linked to has already done that.

    If you want to pay me to explain it in more detail, I charge $10 a minute.

  214. Makka

    Told ya the Libs are squibs.

    No shit, Sherlock.

  215. candy

    Sorry, Do we know this now?

    Some talk about a suicide note being found 200 metres from the crash site. Sounds unbelievable.

    It’s extremely hard to see a mother killing her children that way. There’s no guarantee they would all die but may be left hideously injured with no-one to provide or care for them into the future.

  216. notafan

    Think of the person who does a very messy shooting inside the house, or hangs themselves in the garage so that whoever operates the automatic garage door gets the big reveal.

    Yes, someone local did that garage thing to their poor mother.

  217. Roger

    So Christian Porter has slapped down any idea of religious protections a la Folau. He reckons he can’t interfere with contracts.

    What a dim bulb he is.

    One can’t sign a contract that expunges rights enshrined in international covenants to which Australia is a party.

    Nor can an employer lawfully impose such conditions, whether explicitly or implicitly.

  218. A note near a crash scene sounds extremely odd. Would it not blow away?

    Be careful, Candy – you’re spoiling the narrative.

  219. notafan

    There is a suicide note and pointed social media posts the day before

    The crash investigation will no doubt reveal more about the circumstances of why she was driving where she was and why she overtook a truck to hot an oncoming truck.

  220. memoryvault

    Sorry, Do we know this now?

    Alas Dover, the Cat jury has already passed judgement.
    Personally, without further evidence, I think Candy’s suggestion is just as likely, at this stage.

  221. Percy Popinjay

    What a dim bulb he is.

    He succeeded Josh Frydchickenberger and Kelly O’Duuuuuuhhhh as the next “potentially grate” hope for the gliberals, which demonstrates how pathetic they truly are.

  222. notafan

    The police have released the information regarding the note

    Trust candygrig to pretend there is some doubt when the obvious conclusion is that she threw it out the window

    Unless you are subscribing to some absurd conspiracy theory.

  223. lotocoti

    Do we know this know how? I haven’t been following the story.

    Cop presser yesterday left little doubt that’s the direction the investigation was heading.

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