Open Forum: June 1, 2019

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  1. C.L.

    Trump to award Medal of Freedom to Arthur Laffer, father of supply side economics that gained prominence in the Reagan years.

    Fantastic stuff from The Trumpet.

  2. Zyconoclast

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    As we celebrate LGBT Pride Month and recognize the outstanding contributions LGBT people have made to our great Nation, let us also stand in solidarity with the many LGBT people who live in dozens of countries worldwide that punish, imprison, or even execute individuals on the basis of their sexual orientation. My Administration has launched a global campaign to decriminalize homosexuality and invite all nations to join us in this effort!

    Is that the 17 D chess version secret code version of wall building, immigration control and deportation of all illegals.

    What a genius!

  3. What small towns really want is boat herd plantations social justice warrior jobs that go with them.

    No small town I’ve known would ever want that.
    What they want is to be left alone.
    And nothing to ever change.
    The town I came from bitterly fought the introduction of a town water supply.
    They bitterly fought the introduction of over-the-horizon electricity.
    And most bitterly fought against the introduction of council sewerage (that one quite recent, long after I’d left)
    All those things are arguably significant improvements in the quality of life.
    Very few could see that, they fought tooth & nail against it. They won the anti-sewerage fight, well, for 20 or 30 years they won it, until they got it inflicted on them by force.

    They got a mine. That’s another whole story. With some nifty anecdotes illustrating the utter cluelessness of some of the resource company people.

  4. Tel

    The reason why I say that article is rubbish, Mitch, is that it makes absolutely no mention of regulatory costs, eg in permitting, and it makes no mention of insurance and medical liability costs, which must be stratospheric in the US.

    Those are not the issue … they increase the LIST PRICE and at the same time offer discounts, but the discounts are kind of secret handshake stuff. Mitch’s article explains it:

    The researchers concluded that the current rebate system, which incentivizes high list prices for drugs and relies heavily on privately-negotiated rebates to pharmacies, plays a central role driving up costs for consumers. The byzantine and secretive rebate system, they noted, prevents consumers from making informed decisions about purchasing medications.

    Now that rebate system is closely tied to the insurance companies, which were all shaken up when Obamacare went through and the law forced them to insure people with pre-existing conditions. The insurance companies were losing money so Obama illegally just spooned out subsidy money to the insurance companies, but Trump put a stop to that.

    https://thefederalist.com/2017/10/13/its-about-time-trump-cut-off-subsidies-to-the-insurance-companies/

    In addition, the US Republican Congress managed to stop the “individual mandate” tax therefore removing the last incentive for any healthy person in the USA to buy medical insurance. Their entire medical insurance industry has been in freefall and will continue that way until Obamacare collapses under its own weight. A number of insurance companies are simply dropping out of Obamacare entirely.

  5. memoryvault

    Good evening Socrates.

    Thank you for those few words of wisdom on the “benefits” of mining construction to small communities.

  6. DrBeauGan

    No it won’t … that’s what I’m trying to get through to you, but since you refuse to take my word on it at face value the only possible way to explain it is if you find that out yourself. I run into this quite often in technical fault finding …

    I don’t know what your problem is. You keep demanding that I solve the equations. I pointed out that the bloke on your link had done that. What do you think a solution would look like?

    Do you want to replicate his program? If so, I have told you how to do it.

  7. Oh come on

    There’s that Catallaxy universe asserting itself again.
    You know the one – where “Tolerate” (31%) and “Accept” (36%) mean “overwhelming community acceptance”.

    By gum you’re a thickie, Numpty. Your survey shows that a full 85% of respondents either don’t care much about the project one way or the other, or don’t have a problem with it, or are generally pleased it’s going ahead, or are very enthusiastic about it. Only 15% of the population oppose the development. In Numpty’s mind he’s somehow determined that this means

    The local perceptions are largely negative

    I suppose Numpty also believes that Bill Shorten is the new Prime Minister as well, based on the largely positive perceptions Queenslanders held of him and the ALP.

  8. Notafan

    Oco

    He isn’t the only one.

  9. memoryvault

    I see everybody had a great time this afternoon feeding the resident troll.
    It’s like watching a toddler determined to touch a hot stove regardless of the consequences.

  10. C.L.

    Winning:

    Even if Roe is upheld, abortion opponents are winning.

    Abortion is still legal in the United States, but for women in vast swaths of the country it’s a right in name only.

    Six states are down to only one abortion clinic; a court stepped in Friday to stop Missouri’s sole clinic from closing, at least for now. Some women seeking abortions have to travel long distances, and face mandatory waiting periods or examinations. On top of that, a new wave of restrictive laws, or outright bans, is rippling across GOP-led states like Alabama and Georgia.

    “Clinics” are being run out of town on an almost weekly basis:

    Data from the Guttmacher Institute, a research organization that supports abortion rights, shows that 788 clinics in the U.S. provided abortion services in 2014 — a drop of 51 clinics over three years. Since 2013 about 20 clinics have closed just in Texas.

    RTWT.

  11. Thank you for those few words of wisdom on the “benefits” of mining construction to small communities.

    Quite so MV.
    The “view from the boardroom” or the “view from the stock exchange floor” which is often left unchallenged on this great freedom of discussion forum Catallaxy (peace be upon the Cat) overlooks, or does not compute, that for most in a small district, arrival of resource extraction is a negative experience for many/most, with little prospect of an upside.
    That they learn to live with it (no choice in that) does not imply the mine was good for the district’s inhabitants.

  12. Oh come on

    Numpty, do you truly not realise that the evidence you’ve cited to back up your assertion actually disproves it?

    I feel bad for you, Numpty. I really do. Your twilight years are clearly not being kind to you.

  13. JC:

    A couple of women have been murdered in Melbourne and all Australian male cops the blame. A mother murders bunch of kids and we need to spend money researching depression after a dropping a kid. Excuse my cynicism.

    We’re just the handiest ones to kick for those who refuse to take responsibility for their own lives and decisions.
    We’ve made ourselves surplus to requirements.

  14. Oh come on

    One thing I agree with Ben Shapiro on is the influence that technology will have on the abortion debate. It’s going to be increasingly harder to make the ‘clump of cells’ or the ‘it’s not a human’ arguments when we all can see human embryos and foetuses with great clarity.

    And the pro-abortion people are making a huge strategic mistake by insisting on ever more barbaric and murderous ‘rights’ to abort the unborn and even the born. They will lose majority support as they become ever more radical. They’re going to end up regarded as fringe dwelling freaks a là vegan activists.

  15. Notafan

    Satp

    Everyone has ‘negativel experiences with little upside’.

    The government did works that made my shop near inaccessible for six months then the council did beatification works for even longer that had the same effect.

    One of my neighbours had to sell up at a considerable loss.

    The strip never recovered because the transport hub was permanently moved.

    The house next door has been pulled down and we will have noise and dirt and a block streets for another six months, at the end we’ll have townhouses and an endless array of short-term tenants.

    There is nothing unique or special in having short term upheaval where you live and work.

    Get over yourselves.

  16. I’ve spent near 3 seconds of my life thinking about abortion.
    One thing I’ve noticed is the most opinionated about it are those who’re never likely to need one.
    The worldview from a 17yo female is very different to the view from a financially secure 55-yo male.
    Funny about that.

  17. Notafan

    No one ever ‘needs’ an abortion.

  18. mh

    No small town I’ve known would ever want that.
    What they want is to be left alone.
    And nothing to ever change.
    The town I came from bitterly fought the introduction of a town water supply.
    They bitterly fought the introduction of over-the-horizon electricity.
    And most bitterly fought against the introduction of council sewerage (that one quite recent, long after I’d left)
    All those things are arguably significant improvements in the quality of life.
    Very few could see that, they fought tooth & nail against it. They won the anti-sewerage fight, well, for 20 or 30 years they won it, until they got it inflicted on them by force.

    Fair dinkum? A very enlightening post, Socrates.

  19. Bruce of Newcastle

    arrival of resource extraction is a negative experience for many/most, with little prospect of an upside

    Only because the state has punitively confiscated all property rights to minerals.

    If the locals got royalties, as happens in many places in the US, they’d be falling over themselves to have the mines come.

    So blame politicians. As usual.

  20. Bar Beach Swimmer

    “I’m sick to death of Brexit” he continued to cheers from the crowd, “I am a European. I am not a stupid colonial, imperialist English idiot.”

    John’s statement reveals a significant part of the reason why the British people voted in favour of Brexit. Here, in one sentence, is all the anti-democratic, elitist superiority favoured by a large section of the governing class, demanding of the hoi polloi the tribute of weakened borders, uncontrolled immigration, lost jobs, and the undermining of their cultural heritage. John asks of others what he himself will not give. He condemns his fellow citizen to less security, financial, societal and personal, than he has, wherever he so chooses to live. This is what is so disturbing about his position. This is Bob Brown and his anti-Adani cohort, thinking that they could expect other people to a future of possible penury because of their far more important needs. Essentially, to “take one for the team”, the team being a wholly unaffected other group whose sense of moral superiority is far more important that the actual wellbeing of their fellow citizens. These are the type of people who have no idea what a team is and how it actually works.

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #3030828, posted on May 31, 2019 at 4:10 pm

    Yesterday, BoN noted ‘in relation to the human philosophy outlined in the Bible…The ones who move to a humanist philosophy are going backwards’. That backward position is John and Brown and it is anti-human.

  21. Colonel Crispin Berka

    Call me slow, but just heard there’s a new Terminator movie to be released in November.
    Tentatively codenamed T6, aka Terminator Dark Fate.

    They’re bringing Arnie and Linda Hamilton out of retirement to play the same roles as in T2.
    But this time the plot is a latina has to be saved from a gloating white boy. I have checked the trailer for MAGA hats and have not seen any. The reason for the whole movie seems to be that Sarah Connor has to pass the resistance baton to a younger character to carry on the fight… and the franchise. All these sequels lately always have to make a dramatic point of killing Gen X’s favourite characters to try to get Gen Z onboard. Chances that Sarah Connor will die in this movie… pretty much 100% I’m afraid.

    I guess they recognised the franchise had been on shaky ground since 2002 and if the absurdity, fan-abuse, and popular kickback from Genisys didn’t teach them any lessons then nothing would. Looks like Cameron has been lured back by Fox to give the franchise a reboot… or just a decent send-off depending on the box office. It remains to be seen if there is any philosophical point dealt with by this installment that hasn’t already been done by the preceding movies. I predict I will follow a misguided duty and pay to see this flick when it comes out, despite the warning signs.

  22. Shorter Notafan: Small towns are just like the metro CBD only with fewer people.
    & someone in the CBD once had a rough trot with the authorities, so all small town people aren’t entitled to any sovereignty over their lives.
    And they’re stoopid, coz higher numbered postcode.

    Heard it all before.

  23. Notafan

    And 55 year old male taxpayers tend to shoulder the burden of the stupidity of 17 year old (males and) females anyhow.

  24. 2dogs

    If you are so opposed to miners, 1735099, why do you have their flag as your avatar?

  25. If the locals got royalties, as happens in many places in the US, they’d be falling over themselves to have the mines come.
    So blame politicians. As usual.

    There are many complexities BoN.
    When a mine is mooted, the point uppermost in local’s minds is not money, but upheaval to their way of life.
    The prospect of having to lock their doors at night is very unsettling. No amount of prosperity can compensate for that change. Or so it seems.

  26. cohenite

    18USC 793 (f) and why Hillary shouldn’t be walking/stumbling around:

    (f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer-

    Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

    Comey replaced gross negligence with carelessness.

  27. bespoke

    Socrates at the Pub

    And when those towns are die off don’t look for the government to bail them out.

  28. Notafan

    What a stupid argument Satp.

    What has ‘sovereignty’ got to do with anything?

    No one is stopping anyone from going about their legal private business and that should include miners.

    What possible effect could a mining business have that’s 50 or 60 miles away from Bessy Bloggs and the Bloggs clan none of whom have never worked a a day in their lives yet spend all their time bleating about how there no opportunities for young people in rural communities.

  29. Bruce of Newcastle

    I’ve spent near 3 seconds of my life thinking about abortion.

    SATP – the other requirement of the anti-abortion position is to also have proper adoption services and supporting law. Right now any couple who wants to adopt have to just about sing the Internationale whilst dressed in rainbow tutus.

    The model should be that women who have unwanted pregnancies get free prenatal healthcare (which they mostly already do), support and financial compensation. Make it worth their while to save the life of the kid and they’ll do so out of self interest.

  30. Socrates at the Pub
    And when those towns are die off don’t look for the government to bail them out.

    This would indicate your experience of small towns is of ones which have no economic underpinning.
    Interesting.

  31. Notafan

    Really, having to lock their doors at night?

    What an imposition.

    From what KD talks about in his line of work I would have thought most people up there would be barricading themselves in, miners or no miners.

  32. calli

    A young lady I know had the tragedy of an anencephalic baby. She had an abortion when she was told and shown the evidence. I know there are women who see these pregnancies through to the bitter end. I must admit I’m torn in what to think about it.

  33. Only 15% of the population oppose the development. In Numpty’s mind he’s somehow determined that this means

    English must be your second language.
    Look up the meaning of the word “tolerate”.

  34. calli

    I wonder if Cadia has been good for Orange?

  35. Notafan

    Anencephelic babies are very rare.

    The death of a baby is always a bitter end.

  36. What possible effect could a mining business have that’s 50 or 60 miles away from Bessy Bloggs and the Bloggs clan none of whom have never worked a a day in their lives yet spend all their time bleating about how there no opportunities for young people in rural communities.

    If you ever get to areas where the hand of modern sewerage, electricity supply, & clean water are fought against, you may find the residents of small towns to be not as you expected.

    Hint: They ain’t like the TV or Hollywood portrays.

  37. calli

    Bless you, 2Dogs! 😄

  38. Eyrie

    I suppose the mining companies could just rent a paddock and put up their own accommodation, truck in their own food, fuel etc and not a dollar would go to the nearby communities. Is that preferable?
    Trick is, don’t see a bonanza and put in lots of extra infrastructure with borrowed money because you got greedy, because the boom will end. It always does.

  39. BoN, sorry, my three seconds a year of thinking about abortion are already used up. 😉

  40. Notafan

    People fight against clean water?

    Odd.

  41. bespoke

    Notafan
    #3031927, posted on June 1, 2019 at 5:24 pm
    No one ever ‘needs’ an abortion.

    Rape? Incest?

  42. Notafan

    Exactly Eyrie

    Every article I’ve seen, those have been the complaints.

  43. Really, having to lock their doors at night?
    What an imposition.

    Judging the little people by the standards of the Melbourne CBD is what lost the ALP an election.
    Keep on going.

    For people who’ve never known a locked door, not anywhere in their family, since the year King John sat in the field at Runnymede & got reamed by the Barons, yes, it is one helluva an imposition.

    That the weight of your chains is so familiar they seem light does not make you free.

  44. bespoke

    This would indicate your experience of small towns

    LOL!

  45. Notafan

    For thousands of years women have borne their rape and incest babies and even today many women choose to complete these pregnancies.

    And love those children.

    It is the excuse used to justify abortion on demand.

    Most abortions are for contraceptive reasons.

  46. Zyconoclast

    Who knew celebrity chef Kylie Kwong was a lezzo?

    We were devastated’: Celebrity chef Kylie Kwong reveals the harrowing moment her wife gave birth to their stillborn baby and tells of the ‘dark years’ that followed
    Celebrity chef Kylie Kwong has opened up about the stillbirth of her son in 2011
    -Her partner Nell’s waters broke early and they were told Lucky wouldn’t survive
    -Kwong, who runs the Billy Kwong restaurant, said the couple had dark years
    -The couple, who got married this year, paid tribute to Lucky at their wedding

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7092899/Celebrity-chef-Kylie-Kwong-reveals-harrowing-moment-wife-gave-birth-stillborn-baby.html

  47. DrBeauGan

    Tel, I apologise. The method I gave fails because of the non-linearity. It’s harder than I supposed and will be much more trouble. So it’s at least a few weeks work.

    The best you can hope for is an infinite series in t for each of the x,y,z. If it had been linear that would have been a doddle. As it is, I’m not even sure you can get an infinite series expression for them. If there is such a solution there’s a chance you can get it off the net.

    I am far too lazy to work it out from scratch except for large sums of money.

  48. Notafan

    Satp,

    I only lock my doors when I go out, what’s your point?

    Do you lock your doors?

    I bet you do.

  49. Eyrie

    I can think of heaps of small country towns where the residents routinely lock their doors and nary a mining site any where near. It isn’t 1955 any longer.

  50. I suppose the mining companies could just rent a paddock and put up their own accommodation, truck in their own food, fuel etc and not a dollar would go to the nearby communities. Is that preferable?

    That’s pretty much what happens.
    It is the experience of much of the Surat basin.

    Being on the receiving end of Fifo is a most unpleasant experience for a town. Amongst the many issues are significant social problems.
    A full & frank conversation with GP whose practice is in a pajero town will arch your eyebrows.

  51. memoryvault

    Socrates, , your wasting your time.
    In a battle between ardent idealism and harsh reality, idealism always wins.
    The argument, that is.

    When BHP commenced its major construction expansion in Port Hedland around 2005, it had been a thriving town for over thirty years (only God knows why). By the time it ended around 2012 – 2013, half the local businesses had gone broke.

    Since then it has recovered somewhat, but it will never return to anything like its former days.

  52. vr

    Thousands march behind ‘Broken Mary’ statue as longtime radio host brings message of unity, healing to Chicago

    Hoisted on the shoulders of those sworn to protect and serve others, a once-shattered statue of the Virgin Mary made its way through the streets of Chicago and into the heart of downtown.

    Behind her, the flames held by thousands of people flickered, and the soft yet unified voices carried through the breeze.

    Friday’s event, titled “There is Hope for the Broken,” was inspired by Kevin Matthews, a longtime Chicago radio host who had a spiritual awakening after he stumbled across a broken Virgin Mary statue sitting next to a dumpster outside a flower shop.

    Before the candlelight procession began, Matthews gave his testimony at St. John Cantius Catholic Church in Chicago’s Goose Island neighborhood about how he found “Broken Mary.” The pews overflowed with people. Thousands sat. Hundreds stood.

  53. Do you lock your doors?
    I bet you do.

    Good try.
    I don’t lock the car either. Car keys are harder to lose when you know they’re always in the ignition.

  54. Eyrie

    OK no mines, no resource extraction, no new agriculture, no new dams etc etc. No economy.
    Happy now?

  55. 2dogs

    egg, that vid is out of date, as of only 12 days ago.

  56. Zyconoclast

    I can think of heaps of small country towns where the residents routinely lock their doors and nary a mining site any where near. It isn’t 1955 any longer.

    In 1975 it was still common to leave front doors unlocked.
    Even leaving the car unlocked while shopping was normal.

  57. Eyrie

    “I don’t lock the car either. Car keys are harder to lose when you know they’re always in the ignition.”
    An offence in Queensland, as it happens. Didn’t you say once there were 30 coppers in your town? Only one QLD small town I know of like that, which may be why you can leave your doors and car unlocked.

  58. OK no mines, no resource extraction, no new agriculture, no new dams etc etc. No economy.
    Happy now?

    You’re confusing stating of facts for an opinion that all those things should be opposed.
    That small town people generally want none of those things is a bald fact.
    Deal with it.

    And yep, changes to agriculture are the biggest & most brutal social change of all. A change that unlike sewerage, electricity, & water, has no formal process via which to oppose it.
    A change which is not unified in one large corporate behemoth mining company which has town meetings where locals can vent.
    The result is small scale random mindless violence against those bringing the agricultural change.

  59. bespoke

    Key word is choice, Nota. In that case it should be made quickly.

  60. An offence in Queensland, as it happens.

    You must be a barrel of laughs at parties.

  61. memoryvault

    I suppose the mining companies could just rent a paddock and put up their own accommodation, truck in their own food, fuel etc and not a dollar would go to the nearby communities. Is that preferable?

    It may not be preferable, Eyrie, but it’s precisely what happens.
    You left off the subsidised wet mess. Who the hell would then pay hotel bar prices?

  62. Old Lefty

    Keneally will no doubt be telling the ALP troops that what they need is more Obeid-ience.

  63. calli

    Just in case anyone here was wondering.

    I expect the answer will be a “yes”.

  64. bespoke

    Sheep farming brings in transient workers. I would lock my door.

  65. MatrixTransform

    I have tried swearing at it, I’ve cursed the wifi-gods

    Tried logging into the router and changing the wifi channel to anything except channel 1 (or 6 is common).

    You can load a WiFi analyser on yr phone that will show who nearby is on which channel and what sort of wifi power they have.

    Can buy a powerful router like a Netgear Nighthwk and swamp the bastards out

  66. Stimpson J. Cat

    Sheep farming brings in transient workers. I would lock my door.

    Most definitely.
    Australia is full of Kiwis now.

  67. Eyrie

    So if the mining companies keep to themselves so much WTF are the locals complaining about?
    Somebody somewhere is doing something and making money at it?

  68. MatrixTransform

    Get a proper mesh system

    Ubiquiti looks preety good.
    I have used their net switches excellent bang for buck

  69. egg_

    arrival of resource extraction is a negative experience for many/most, with little prospect of an upside

    Hillgrove gold mine has always been looked upon favourably for jobs for over a century – the original Chinese families are still there, too.
    It was home to Australia’s first hydro electric scheme and had electricity well before Tamworth, Australia’s first inland city to be electrified.

    Prior to that, US mines were using hydraulic hydro power for drilling machines in the 19th century, powered by water wheels.

  70. bespoke

    I had no idea we had Amish towns in Australia.

  71. Infidel Tiger

    Detention centres and prisons are always good for local employment.

  72. egg_

    AGL today announced it had secured the right to develop, own and operate a 250-megawatt pumped hydro energy storage project at Hillgrove Resources Limited’s Kanmantoo copper mine in South Australia’s Adelaide Hills region.

  73. Leigh Lowe

    C.L.
    #3031917, posted on June 1, 2019 at 5:09 pm
    Winning:
    Even if Roe is upheld, abortion opponents are winning.
    Abortion is still legal in the United States, but for women in vast swaths of the country it’s a right in name only.

    Interesting C.L., I was thinking something similar the other day over the “heartbeat” laws.
    One argument the left are reverting to is “but what about cases of rape and incest?”

    I haven’t heard that line of argument since way back last century when we debated abortion in secondary school (a Catholic secondary school by the way).
    Think about that.
    Two years ago they were talking about full term and post birth abortions (or wilful murder as it is more correctly known).

    Now they are trying to defend early first trimester abortions using criminal sexual assault as their stalking horse.
    Totally on the back foot.

    I actually think that the pushing of the boundaries into late third trimester abortions has completely blown up any “wymminses health” argument they had.
    Most of these are driven by changes in economic circumstances, not health dangers.

  74. egg_

    that vid is out of date, as of only 12 days ago.

    Good!
    Ta.

  75. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger
    #3031988, posted on June 1, 2019 at 6:11 pm
    Detention centres and prisons are always good for local employment.

    Real estate agents love them too.
    Sure, as soon as the site is announced, local prices drop 20%, but the turnover is yuuuuuge.

  76. Bar Beach Swimmer

    1735099
    #3031878, posted on June 1, 2019 at 4:12 pm

    No – people who resent being lied to by blow-ins and stuffed around.

    So the Bob Brown anti-Adani cohort.

  77. Leigh Lowe

    “I don’t lock the car either. Car keys are harder to lose when you know they’re always in the ignition.”
    An offence in Queensland, as it happens.

    It isn’t something that the law should be involved in, as in being an offence.
    This is a commercial question.
    It should impact insurance payouts, or some of the payout should be diverted to the costs of searching for the car and making it safe.

  78. Bruce of Newcastle

    Sure, as soon as the site is announced, local prices drop 20%, but the turnover is yuuuuuge.

    Like windfarms? I’m amused that small town locals can oppose a mine but dare not oppose a windfarm, which will cause worse real estate price drops and add infrasound woes as well.

  79. zyconoclast

    Diversity Over Quality
    Mayor de Blasio is fighting to reduce Asian representation in New York City’s elite schools

    At a state senate forum earlier this month on Mayor Bill de Blasio’s plan to end the admissions test for New York City’s top high schools, an African-American woman went on a harangue about how Asian-Americans come from “a culture that has no problem with cheating.” Waving a sheaf of “documentation,” McCarthy-style, she railed against “some of the newer immigrants who have come here . . . with that cultural milieu of cheating.” She was not interrupted or challenged by any of the legislators.

    But when a 12-year-old, Asian-American middle school girl spoke in favor of retaining the test—asking “If I work hard, shouldn’t I have a higher advantage than those who . . . are just being lazy”—the senators were alert to potentially racially insensitive language. “Be very careful how you prepare them for this argument,” Senator Velmanette Mont­gomery of Brooklyn admonished Asian parents in the audience after the girl testified—taking the word “lazy” as a reference to blacks, though the girl had said nothing about race. “It is your responsibility and . . . obligation that . . . those children do not internalize those racist atti­tudes.”

  80. Pedro the Ignorant

    Towns that score a nearby mine usually get some spinoff from the operation, even when the miner uses FIFO workers and its own accommodations for the workforce.

    Some local people are often employed, particularly the lower level jobs like kitchen hands, cleaners and office staff. Fuel suppliers, mechanics, air con techs, refrigerator mechs, all get a slice of the pie when it is cheaper and more convenient to use locals than fly or truck in supplies or specialists at exorbitant rates.

    Even mundane stuff like hairdressing, work clothes laundry, alterations and repairs still has to be done and no mining company is going to fork out thousands in airfares so their lads and lasses can get a haircut or a torn shirt repaired. Enter the locals.

    By and large, I am not a FIFO fan, but it is not all doom and gloom for small towns.

  81. zyconoclast

    The black throated finch was unavailable for comment.

    Bill proposed to require racial impact study for rezoning applications in NY

    NEW YORK — Communities in all five boroughs are grappling with gentrification. Public Advocate Jumaane Williams introduced legislation Wednesday to help ensure diverse New Yorkers can stay in their neighborhoods.

    The law would require a racial impact study to be commissioned before the city can approve a rezoning application.

  82. rickw

    The worldview from a 17yo female is very different to the view from a financially secure 55-yo male.
    Funny about that.

    It’s not all about her.

  83. Ellie

    Am in a wine bar on Oxford Street, Paddington. Fireworks going off – literally! What’s the celebration?

  84. vr

    David French is a prissy bow tie spinning fool.
    Sohrab Ahmari has rightly schooled him.
    The public square is not neutral. It’s a war zone.

    Bret Stephens has piled on Ahmari as well

  85. Oh come on

    English must be your second language.
    Look up the meaning of the word “tolerate”.

    Numpty, for argument’s sake, let’s run with your knuckleheaded insistence that if people tolerate something, this actually means they oppose it. That still means a clear majority are at a minimum willing to accept the development.

    Any which way you slice it, Numpty, your claim that “local perceptions are largely negative” is obviously false, even when the most charitable interpretation of the figures you cited is used.

  86. Arky

    DrBeauGan
    #3031807, posted on June 1, 2019 at 1:59 pm
    Arky, did you see the common core arithmetic demo in Stimpy’s post? What did you think of it?

    ..
    Nothing wrong with showing them different methods. I have never used that way.
    (Hopefully someone also showing ’em the regular way to multiply)
    Problem is, like most chicks, she has not figured out how to say stuff efficiently. And thinks her role is to stand in front of a captive audience and bore for the USA at Olympic level boring.
    Either that, or she has taken over Numberwang’s old class.

  87. Leigh Lowe

    Bar Beach Swimmer
    #3031994, posted on June 1, 2019 at 6:23 pm
    1735099
    #3031878, posted on June 1, 2019 at 4:12 pm
    No – people who resent being lied to by blow-ins and stuffed around.
    So the Bob Brown anti-Adani cohort.

    It was more than lies and stuffing around.
    It was the dismissive “deplorables don’t matter”.
    I got a sick-bag earlier today and had a look back through the Convoy of No Jobs Facebook page.
    Anyone … ANYONE … who asked questions as to whether the protestors were from Queensland were given a quick “what has that got to do with it?” and anyone who raised the issue of jobs, they got both barrels.
    “Jobs destroying the planet are jobs we need to get rid of. Stiff shit buddy. Suck it up”.

    Of course, the most virulent and offensive to the locals about jobs were also totally peace, love and understanding and in full Kumbaya mode over the (cough) “local” indigenes.

  88. calli

    Not quite the Queen’s Birthday yet, Elle.

  89. Sinclair Davidson

    Some festival in Sydney – lots of fireworks last weekend too.

  90. Oh come on

    Am in a wine bar on Oxford Street, Paddington. Fireworks going off – literally! What’s the celebration?

    Have you been drinking absinthe?

  91. calli

    Won’t someone think of the carbins?

  92. zyconoclast

    White women around the country are invited to join private dinners where they can “bear witness” to the pain of “Black and Brown” women.

    Race To Dinner is aimed at white women and was co-founded by Saira Rao after her 2018 congressional run, according to the website.

    The group’s website points out that the company’s goal isn’t to make white women comfortable. Its aim is to be seen and heard by white women, whose only job is to sit during the dinner and “bear witness” to their pain, which they say white women have caused.

    These dinners aren’t for people who want to feel good, learn or be an ally, and it is not for white women or about white women, the website states. White women already know everything about white supremacy, because “you and your dudes wrote the book,” the Facebook page notes. The website says that it isn’t personal, it’s just how things are.

    Our mission is simple – reveal the naked truth about RACISM in America and YOUR COMPLICITY as white women

  93. Makka

    That they learn to live with it (no choice in that) does not imply the mine was good for the district’s inhabitants.

    Nor does it imply it was bad. Different yes. And like all change’it’s resisted. Because locals make poor business decisions doesn’t mean the mine is bad. They are happy enough to take a punt for the big bux. Regional and outback Australia need services. That’s funded by taxpayers with jobs, jobs in for example mines. Granted, managing booms and busts through commodities and construction cycles is problematic but it certainly is exacerbated by the foolishness and greed of amateurs playing big games with borrowed money. It’s not as if they can’t learn from the history of Australia’s many prior commodity boom bust cycles. Ours is a nation built on commodities and still derives a vast chuck of it’s income, wealth and real estate from/with commodities. If you intend to gamble in that patch , find a way to fit in or fk off would be good advice.

  94. Infidel Tiger

    Bret Stephens has piled on Ahmari as well

    Stephens is the NYT house conservative. Complete cuck.

    Ahmari is a very interesting guy.

  95. Leigh Lowe

    A change which is not unified in one large corporate behemoth mining company which has town meetings where locals can vent.

    SaTP.
    You are not Bill Shorten by any chance are you?

  96. Nick

    taking the word “lazy” as a reference to blacks, though the girl had said nothing about race.

    Lol. What a sign of the times. Yet it’s the girl who was ‘racist’.

  97. When Jussie Smollett was told his Nigerian trainer and his brother had been arrested for the ‘h0m0phobic, racist’ attack he said he was the victim of, he reacted with: ‘It can’t be them, they’e black as sin.’

    Can’t decide which is the more entertaining;
    His methodology, or
    his terminology.

  98. Notafan

    satp is revealing himself as an archetypal Hanrahan.

    Sad.

  99. SaTP.
    You are not Bill Shorten by any chance are you?

    Quick way to find out is if I pop around & you haven’t got a hot pie ready for me.

  100. Pedro the Ignorant

    Just reminded myself about the pair of young ladies who travel the WA Goldfields in a campervan as mobile hairdressers.

    Both score high on the good looking scale and their work clobber is skimpy shorts and bikini tops.

    The young blokes line up 10 deep for a haircut clutching fistfuls of $$$$.

    Shift bosses despair at the absenteeism when the gals turn up, but they are making a killing.

    Market forces in action. 😀😀

  101. zyconoclast

    taking the word “lazy” as a reference to blacks, though the girl had said nothing about race.

    Lol. What a sign of the times. Yet it’s the girl who was ‘racist’.

    There is a video in the link. The girl spoke very well.

  102. vr

    Ahmari is a very interesting guy.

    I agree. I used to like his take on Europe when he was the London bureau of the WSJ. I can’t believe how devout he has become. Zeal of the convert, I suppose

  103. Infidel Tiger

    I want to read his book about his journey to Catholicism.

    Dover Beach would no doubt enjoy too.

  104. Ellie

    Hi Calli and Professor Davidson.
    I see a lot of queens about. Lots of fireworks too!
    Carpe’s arseless chaps just walked by!
    Noice!

  105. Even mundane stuff like hairdressing, work clothes laundry, alterations and repairs still has to be done and no mining company is going to fork out thousands in airfares so their lads and lasses can get a haircut or a torn shirt repaired. Enter the locals.

    Hmm… in my experience the only financial beneficiaries of any note are the pubs.
    Nobody else gets much of a look-in.

    There tends to be some unhappy issues with loads of Fifo’s pub-crawling the town at change-over.
    If the police were county-run, or privately run, or if the Officer-in-Charge was first & foremost a police officer & not a political boot-licker, the issues would be sorted out inside 3 weeks, at ground level.

    Instead it takes months, or years, & usually involves lots of time & money without anything really being fixed at all.

    But the pubs still make a quid.

  106. Bruce of Newcastle

    Hot needle of inquiry!

    NASA to bore beneath Europa with nuclear-powered ‘TUNNELBOT’ in alien life search

    NASA are planning for a nuclear-powered drone to drill through Europa’s icy shell in an attempt to find alien life in its oceans.

    He and the engineers came up with two designs, both of the about five metres long, one of them is a half metre wide and the other 30cm wide.

    And the tunnelbots use a nuclear reactor designed for spacecraft use, which NASA is currently testing.

    These would provide the requisite power and heat, which allows it to melt through the ice shell into the underlying ocean in a few years.

    Professor Dombard said: “We have about 20km of ice to get through.

    “We would have a whole bunch of radioactive plutonium bricks that are generating a lot of heat which you use to melt a hole though the ice.”

    If NASA is taking plutonium to Europa will they be fair and take europium to Pluto?

  107. Ellie

    Or should that be assless?

  108. zyconoclast

    Just reminded myself about the pair of young ladies who travel the WA Goldfields in a campervan as mobile hairdressers.

    Both score high on the good looking scale and their work clobber is skimpy shorts and bikini tops.

    The Hooters of hair: The Jersey barber shop where sexy stylists will cut your hair in bikinis

  109. calli

    Good heavens! Was Carpe in them?

  110. Notafan

    Converts are the best, right Nilk?

  111. satp is revealing himself as an archetypal Hanrahan.
    Sad.

    Lol. I’ve seen more of Australia than the CBD, & what I’ve seen I’ve lived, not driven through or gone by Friday or end of shift rotation.

    Keep locking your doors & bitching that coz someone in the CBD got a new footpath it justifies big government walking all over country hicks who’re too stoopid to know what’s good for them.
    You’ve a lot more in common with Shorto than you may at first suspect.

  112. Notafan

    It’s big government now.

    I thought it was big mining

    Or perhaps big farm

    Or big pharma

    Or big banana

    Or big pineapple

    Or big lobster

    Whatever it it it’s big and we don’t like it

  113. Ellie

    Two words, calli, and then a song later.
    Bubble butt.
    Carpe owns those Q&A arseless chaps.
    Be back later. Wine to consume. 🍷🍷🍷

  114. Pedro the Ignorant

    SatTP, shift change shenanigans have been a part of mining towns since mandatory workplace breath testing became a thing.

    Sit back and enjoy the money rolling in.

    Most WA town coppers are pretty tough on FIFOs who play up too much.

  115. Makka

    Hmm… in my experience the only financial beneficiaries of any note are the pubs.
    Nobody else gets much of a look-in.

    Bullshit. Crane operators, haulage, fridgies and sparkies, local admin hire, catering , car hire , accommodation, equipment rentals and yeah pubs – there are many who derive a living from spin offs in communities close by to mines and mining centres.

  116. Percy Popinjay

    Blutige Hölle. The poor ol’ East Germans suffered from PND (Post Nayzee Depressionionion) for 45 long years.

    But they didn’t go around strength through joyfully gassing their kinders.

    They just turned the mädchen into junge and the junge into mädchen.

    Ich sage es dir.

  117. Percy Popinjay

    Translations glücklich supplied by the Graegooglery. 🙂

  118. Most WA town coppers are pretty tough on FIFOs who play up too much.

    There may be some masculinity differences between WA Police & QPlod.
    Example: No matter the circumstances, police foot patrols will not enter my pub unless I first give a “guarantee of officer safety”

    I am not making that up.

  119. zyconoclast

    Philippines’ Duterte says he used to be gay, but then ‘cured himself’

    Philippines’ president Rodrigo Duterte made a rather unexpected admission while visiting Japan, saying he used to be gay before he met his ex wife… then he “became a man again.”
    Duterte is something of a self-styled expert on the question of who is and isn’t gay, if the frequency with which he makes the accusation is any indication. After accusing “most” priests in the Catholic church of being homosexual earlier in the year, during a speech Thursday he decided to ‘out’ a political opponent, and then himself.

  120. Bullshit. Crane operators, haulage, fridgies and sparkies, local admin hire, catering , car hire ,

    Er… the conversation was about small towns.
    If a town has any of those, it ain’t small.

  121. Ellie

    Will be back to talk about economic theory and deviant art.

  122. Top Ender

    Speaking of police numbers Tennant Creek has the highest proportion of coppers to citizens in the country.

    Last time I looked it was 44 to about 3000.

  123. bespoke

    All those utes and tractors in SatTP town must be made of grain.

  124. Roberto

    Ellie

    Am in a wine bar on Oxford Street, Paddington. Fireworks going off – literally! What’s the celebration?

    It’s Vivid. There are fireworks each Friday and Saturday night.

  125. Speaking of police numbers Tennant Creek has the highest proportion of coppers to citizens in the country.

    Must be a pretty cruisey posting, coppers from everywhere must be competing to be posted there.
    Be a good place to bring up kids, what with how safe & polite the town would be.
    House prices must be kinda high too.

  126. Makka

    Er… the conversation was about small towns.
    If a town has any of those, it ain’t small.

    Er… they do. It might be a guy with a 20t crane or individual contractors , subbies etc, a bloke with a couple of pumps and gensets or sandblasting machine. Plenty of one man band, couples etc in business with mines close by. You’re making shit up Steve and exaggerating. It’s swings and roundabouts.

  127. Makka, those things more likely come after there’s some demand.
    There’s ain’t none in a small cattle town.
    Something being outside your experience does not mean it is made up or exaggerated.

  128. Pedro the Ignorant

    I think Eucla out on the Nullarbor has a pretty high walloper/resident ratio.

    De facto border point, not local criminals.

    Aided and abetted by the fruit fly Nazis.

  129. mh

    Makka, Socrates has given his definition of a small town.

  130. Percy Popinjay

    Das heiß verrückt konzept ist scheisse, ich sage es dir, sie sind alle verrückt, ob heiß oder verrückt.

  131. memoryvault

    As I said before SATP, you’re wasting your time.
    However, let’s circumvent the whole debate.

    I’ll contribute $10,000 towards the costs of any Cat who has a spouse and one or more school age kids, one of which is twelve or over, who is prepared to relocate to any mining town in regional central or north QLD, or the Pilbara, buy or rent a home, and buy or start a business.

    The money is payable once you arrive and have signed a lease or put a deposit on a home. If you leave within five years you agree to refund the money plus 5% interest pa, and you will sign an agreement to that effect, which I will have drafted by a solicitor at my cost.

    Offer is limited to one recipient only.

  132. Makka

    Something being outside your experience does not mean it is made up or exaggerated.

    That’s true but I’ve spent a shitload of time in mines, mining towns and contracting around the industry. More than you I’d wager, starting possibly before you could shave. I’m saying your full of hot air trying to exaggerate a relatively minor irritant or cover for greedy buggers who got burned borrowing more than they could afford.

  133. DrBeauGan

    Tel, just a guess, but have you been trying Runge-Kutta and running into stability problems?

  134. Makka, Socrates has given his definition of a small town.

    To be fair to the urbanites of the Cat, the town I come from is a whole lot smaller than most.
    It does tend to be the yardstick I default to.

    I’d believed it to have the smallest minded inhabitants in the country.
    Until I started travelling, & saw there’s plenty of places with people equally as narrow-minded, and equally as determined to avoid improvements in their lives.
    (never mind the resistance to mains power, they bitterly resisted the switch from 32 volt to 240 volt.)

  135. vr

    Looks like Apple is going to kill off itunes next week.

  136. Makka

    mh, I deal with local communities , very small ones around mining towns all the time. I hire from them, use them as a resource for all kinds of things. It’s swings and roundabouts. They may not like the mine but love the Telstra coverage , improved roads, local tellie, jobs for the missus etc these mines facilitate. Some do it better than others.

  137. mh

    Socrates, would you label them conservative?

    Do they actually believe there is something good to conserve?

  138. Notafan

    $10,000 wouldn’t cover the stamp duty let alone the cost of relocation.

    The only thing that would motivate someone to move is because overall they would be better off.

    People do it, all the time.

    What point do you think you are making?

  139. rickw

    Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg’s personal security chief has been accused of sexual misconduct and making racist and homophobic remarks about Zuckerberg’s wife, Priscilla Chan, and members of his staff, NBC News has confirmed with a spokesperson for Zuckerberg.

    Priscilla Chan is a bloke and a chicom spy??!!

  140. Pedro the Ignorant

    Quality of life in mining towns varies across the spectrum from pretty civilised with all the amenities to absolute shitholes you wouldn’t let your dog live in.

    Kalgoorlie Boulder is not a bad place to live, has a few social problems but overall pretty safe and well serviced. At the other end of the scale towns like Wiluna or Meekatharra are best seen in the rear vision mirror.

  141. Bruce of Newcastle

    650+ CEOs and Presidents supporting more inclusive workplaces

    They should support equality too, by donating 99% of their salaries to charity.

  142. Socrates, would you label them conservative?
    Do they actually believe there is something good to conserve?

    Every election there was always One vote for Labor in the ballot box. (If that’s any clue to the political leanings)
    There’s usually a couple of dozen invalid votes meant to be for LNP (i.e. instead of numbering each square, there’s a tick in the box beside the LNP name) – if that’s any clue as to the brain level of the bottom 10%

    Like most people they don’t really know what they want. Except they aspire to work an honest job, raise a family with dignity, and treat everybody they meet with courtesy. – can’t argue with any of that.

  143. bespoke

    I’ll contribute $10,000 towards the costs of any Cat who has a spouse and one or more school age kids, one of which is twelve or over, who is prepared to relocate to any mining town in regional central or north QLD, or the Pilbara, buy or rent a home, and buy or start a business.

    I doubt you no any ‘Cat’ that fits that description so it a BS pledge, Peter. But people have and will again.

  144. Leigh Lowe

    egg_
    #3031957, posted on June 1, 2019 at 5:40 pm

    Yeah, right.
    Someone called “egg” posting about the “World’s Roundest Object”.
    Stay in your lane, buddy.

  145. areff

    Anyone else watching the start of the Melbourne-Adelaide game? Traditional knowledge about avoiding crocodiles, didgeridoos, hugs for domestic violence. Football continues to be piopular not because of the AFL but despite it.

  146. I’m saying your full of hot air trying to exaggerate a relatively minor irritant or cover for greedy buggers who got burned borrowing more than they could afford.

    You’re expanding the conversation Methusela.
    The topic was small town yokels not wanting mines (or any change really) to enter their lives.
    What you’re terming a “minor irritant” is a major upheaval in their lives.
    I’ve no idea what you’re talking about with “borrowing money”

    These small towns you drop in on, you’re only ever a Seagull visitor aren’t you? Gone by the end of the month at longest.
    Big difference.

  147. Bruce of Newcastle

    German is overrated.

    Cheapest and most expensive cars to maintain and repair in 2019 REVEALED (1 Jun)

    Top 5 most expensive cars to maintain

    1. BMW 5 Series – £585
    2. Mercedes C Class – £557
    3. Volkswagen Passat – £543
    4. BMW 1 Series – £518
    5. BMW 3 Series – £486

  148. Roger

    CEO Action for Diversity & Inclusion™

    Diversity = social engineering

    Inclusion = groupthink

    Is Alan Joyce is a member?

  149. Pedro the Ignorant

    Even long term residents of mining towns send their kids to Perth boarding schools for secondary education.

    The smaller town high schools are usually dysfunctional and staffed by teachers straight out of training who bolt at the first opportunity and the student body belong in a zoo, not a school.

  150. calli

    I took my entire family to Goroka for a few years for the financial benefit. Probably a lot more dangerous than going to a small Aussie town.

    Best thing I ever did.

  151. calli

    Percy, was it Stimpy’s horrid Merkel Youtube that broke you? You can tell us.

  152. Percy Popinjay

    No, calli, a certain legendary Yerpian event scheduled for later this evening.

    Hint – my team are known as “the Reds” and their coach is an “excitable German”.

  153. Leigh Lowe

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #3032082, posted on June 1, 2019 at 7:39 pm
    German is overrated.
    Cheapest and most expensive cars to maintain and repair in 2019 REVEALED (1 Jun)

    Feeling that pain.
    As an aside, the subject came up recently of machining brake discs.
    I was told that this is not done on European cars because “the steel is softer”.
    WTF is that about?

  154. Rockdoctor

    My 2c worth. Have very little knowledge of WA but Qld I do. Have worked extensively in places like Moranbah, Dysart, Blackwater and the surrounds like Nebo. Some of these places will disappear when the coal becomes uneconomical, such is life. As for taking a family there, some people love it but for me no way, especially High School kids. FIFO into Mackay is better for me. A lot of the noise comes from the CMEFU, FIFO workers are much less likely to be unionised. Follow the money… IMO people should have a choice if on offer like in the established camps or transit ones in the smaller places and not be forced to live somewhere they don’t want to.

    As for Adani, I have heard figures of approx 1400 jobs directly at the mine. The spin off will be a welcome indirect employment in Clermont & Emerald which I don’t have figures for. However Adani is the start, more will folow especially as the infrastructure develops. This will create more employment which isn’t a bad thing…

  155. Leigh Lowe

    Even long term residents of mining towns send their kids to Perth boarding schools for secondary education.
    The smaller town high schools are usually dysfunctional and staffed by teachers …

    … like Bobby Spudnik.
    So, it’s boarding school.

  156. calli

    Of course it is. Gerry and the Pacemakers.

    Sunlight Soap too. But that’s across the river.

  157. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    O/T, but I’m “replenishing stores” in a certain bottleshop. (Second time something like this has happened, BTW.)

    “Smashing, I’ll have another bottle of the Speyside, cheers, you’ve got my other favourite Speyside on special. See us two bottles, please.”

    ” The memsahib’s favourite sav blanc’s also on special, I’ll take a dozen.” It’s been a tradition for most of the time we’ve been together that we share a bottle of champagne over Saturday night dinner, so I pick a good bottle.

    The lass behind the counter reads off the price, so, while I’m sorting out the card, the fat slapper behind me starts whining….

    “It’s not fair, one person can spend so much on alcohol. That’s the cost of my social wage, for me to bring my kids up for a week. It’s just not fair, some people have all that money.”

    Great fat, tattooed, swampy, with purple hair, piercings and great gunt (H/T K.D. and Calli)…..

  158. Percy Popinjay

    Ahem, Miss Hazell. Top fookin draw.

  159. Leigh Lowe

    As for Adani, I have heard figures of approx 1400 jobs directly at the mine. The spin off will be a welcome indirect employment in Clermont & Emerald which I don’t have figures for. However Adani is the start, more will folow especially as the infrastructure develops. This will create more employment which isn’t a bad thing…

    Clermont is 160 kms from the mine site.
    No-one in their right mind can argue that they will suffer any adverse impacts.
    I am sure the rail line isn’t going to run down the main street, and the “F” in FIFO stands for “Fly”.
    Question.

    What does the miner owe to people in a town 160 kms from a mine-site?

  160. Leigh Lowe

    Saturday nights are dull.
    This one and the last one had very little winning.
    I need more winning.

  161. Tintarella di Luna

    Percy Popinjay
    #3032086, posted on June 1, 2019 at 7:43 pm
    Zerreiße uns niemals

    WTF Percy lay off the sauerkraut, it’s making you type funny

  162. bespoke

    Pedro the Ignorant
    #3032085, posted on June 1, 2019 at 7:42 pm
    Even long term residents of mining towns send their kids to Perth boarding schools for secondary education.

    Same thing happens in farming towns.

  163. Rockdoctor

    Not disagreeing LL, I can vouch for seeing the entitlement mentality from some mining area residents myself but I know the town already is keen for the spin off economically as Blair Athol is starting rehab & I heard some whisperings Glencores Clermont Mine may be reaching economic limits soon. I also know of 2 other EPC’s in the area that will likely turn into mining leases provided Adani gets the nod. They are waiting & seeing. Rail line is going to Bowen through some very sparsely populated areas of NQ. The mine or the rail won’t affect anyone.

  164. Frank

    Human Cheese. A London exhibition of cheese made from swabs of celebrity bacteria if anyone is interested.

    The process to make the celebrity cheeses, though slightly off-putting, is simple. Scientists and cheesemakers collect bacteria from the celebrities’ bodily crannies, like armpits, ears, noses, and bellybuttons. Then, the bacteria is grown in petri dishes until suitable strains can be harvested and added to milk to make cheese.

  165. Pedro the Ignorant

    I will echo Rockdoctor here. Follow the money if you are a mining type.

    I have never worked in Qld, but have lived and worked in most of WA’s mining areas over a long career in the gold industry.

    Sometimes in town accomodation, sometimes in company camps, sometimes in a swag in the bush, but I would never invest in a permanent home in one of the “company” towns. Mining is a cyclical business, and a drop in commodity prices or even the exchange rate can see your investment disappear in minutes.

    I kept an office in Perth and one in Kalgoorlie Boulder, bought and serviced most of my vehicles and basic equipment locally where available, but as always happens when you are working in remote areas you sometimes have to bypass the locals and go to the capitals for an urgent bit of gear or a spare part despite the eye watering costs involved.

    All mining towns welcome anyone who will spend a dollar locally on everything from food, fuel, grog and all the other necessities of life like toothpaste and washing powder.

    We all depend on each other to a degree, and both miners and townies benefit from looking after each other.

  166. Bruce of Newcastle

    I need more winning.

    This one is yummy.

    Report: Justice Department Prepares to Launch Antitrust Investigation into Google

    I hope Barr pulls the fangs of the FANGs. Their arrogant lefty behaviour has been becoming markedly worse in the last year or so.

  167. Pedro the Ignorant

    ……cheesemakers collect bacteria from the celebrities’ bodily crannies,

    Gawdalmighty. I was just about to have dinner.

    I doubt I will ever eat a cheese sandwich again.

  168. John Constantine

    https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/China-s-African-swine-fever-outbreak-ripples-across-Asia

    Rabobank is projecting that Vietnam, which in May mobilized its military in the fight against the disease, will lose 10% of its pork production.

    China slaughters 700 million pigs annually, and an estimated 150 million to 200 million pigs have been affected in the country since the outbreak was first reported. Rabobank’s researchers are predicting that a combination of switching to other protein sources as well as increased pork imports from markets such as the U.S., Europe and Brazil will be insufficient to offset the loss, predicting a net supply gap of nearly 10 million metric tons this year.

    Given China’s outsized role in the global economy, the consequences of ASF are likely to ripple into international markets, as demand for pig feed, and thus commodity grain and oilseed imports, falls in China and as demand for meat rises, Pay said. Chinese consumers are already feeling the pinch, and will continue to do so.

  169. Pedro the Ignorant

    Dinner time. No cheese.

    Play nice, Cats.

  170. Steve trickler

    Avi doing what Avi does.



  171. egg_

    Even mundane stuff like hairdressing, work clothes laundry, alterations and repairs still has to be done and no mining company is going to fork out thousands in airfares so their lads and lasses can get a haircut or a torn shirt repaired. Enter the locals.

    I recall during the 2012 Industry decline, an Industry magazine was rueing all of the Bowen Basin infrastructure jobs lost, due to the Operating companies tightening their belts, massively affecting regional employment all the way to Mackay.

  172. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Slainte to all on the Cat. What care I for the complaining of the results of the casual couplings of the lower orders? H/T Leo McKern, “Boswell for the Defence.” Brilliant live theater.

  173. Tel

    “It’s not fair, one person can spend so much on alcohol. That’s the cost of my social wage, for me to bring my kids up for a week. It’s just not fair, some people have all that money.”

    social wage = socialist wage.

  174. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    social wage = socialist wage.

    The swampies around here call their benefits their “social wage.” The record here is five children, by three different fathers, none of who has ever done a proper days work in their lives.

  175. Steve trickler

    D’Souza, in fine form.



  176. BrettW

    Into Episode 2 of When They See Us on Netflix.

    About the Central Park Five rape case in 1989.

    If you like court room dramas well worth a look.

    As the prosecutor says
    “It is not about justice it’s about politics”.

  177. DrBeauGan

    Tel, how are you trying to solve the Lorenz ODEs?

  178. Oh come on

    Nigel Farage phones into Jacob Rees-Mogg’s LBC radio talk show! Starts at 24mins into this clip.

    I think this event is quite significant. JRM, a leading Conservative Brexiteer, appears to be publicly bringing Nigel Farage into the tent for the first time ever.

  179. memoryvault

    Only ten posts in the last hour with not one Lady Cat contributing.
    Saturday nights look like they are following Friday nights – down the gurgler.

    Time to get a hobby?

  180. Steve trickler

    Worthy of a repeat. Astonishing visuals.



  181. Zyconoclast

    Top 5 most expensive cars to maintain

    1. BMW 5 Series – £585
    2. Mercedes C Class – £557
    3. Volkswagen Passat – £543
    4. BMW 1 Series – £518
    5. BMW 3 Series – £486

    Top 5 cheapest cars to maintain

    1. Fiat Punto – £255

    2. Peugeot 206 – £283

    3. Mercedes A Class – £289

    4. Citroen C4 – £293

    5. Renault Megane – £310

    The research looks at the cost of regular servicing, MOT price, and unexpected repair costs for new cars and those that are 15 years old.

    However, don’t be fooled by this data as the Punto and 206 are among the least reliable cars. In fact, the Peugeot was named as the car that was most likely to need a repair, with one in 11 reportedly needing a fix.

    At the other end of the scale, the Audi A1 was found to be the most reliable with just one in 1,610 needing a fix. It is followed but the Renault Clio and Nissan Note, Seat Leon and Hyundai i10 in the top five.

  182. Ellie

    I’ll contribute, MV. Would you like to dance. And fuck what the critics say?

  183. Sinclair Davidson

    Ellie! Is that lady-like language?

  184. Leigh Lowe

    Oh, Jesus.
    I’ve stumbled upon Tinder for the Third Age.
    I’ll let myself out.

  185. Zyconoclast

    ……cheesemakers collect bacteria from the celebrities’ bodily crannies,

    Gawdalmighty. I was just about to have dinner.

    I doubt I will ever eat a cheese sandwich again.

    Like yoni beer where they extract yeast from supermodels nether regions and use it to ferment beer.
    https://www.theorderofyoni.com/

  186. memoryvault

    Doomlord, of course it is.
    She is, after all, addressing a gentleman, so I’m hardly likely to try and take advantage of her.

    Besides, these days I’d never be fast enough.

  187. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Time to get a hobby?

    Scotch whisky, late nights, low companions and dirty stories?

  188. memoryvault

    I’d love to Elle. What did you have in mind?

  189. Sinclair Davidson

    MV – hmmmmmm. Yes. Good point.

  190. Nick

    Oh, Jesus.
    I’ve stumbled upon Tinder for the Third Age.

    Snicker

  191. Bruce of Newcastle

    I think this event is quite significant. JRM, a leading Conservative Brexiteer, appears to be publicly bringing Nigel Farage into the tent for the first time ever.

    If he didn’t his sister would never talk to him again.

  192. Ellie

    I’m sorry for swearing.

  193. Steve trickler

    We all have dreams.



  194. memoryvault

    You’re forgiven.
    Shall we start with something light and breezy?

  195. Knuckle Dragger

    I’ve lived in Tennant Creek. Had a very close mate of mine that worked there as a copper too.

    As a contrast, my small country Vic wheat-and-sheep town of about 2500 was run by a Sergeant and a couple of constables. The troublemaking blow-ins were sorted out but quickly. Next to nobody played up, because they knew they’d be pinched if not right that second, then they’d get a boot in the arse (literally) in front of their workmates the following day before ‘assisting the police with their enquiries’.

    When my very close mate was in Tennant, there were 46 coppers for about 2500 people. All day every day, flat tit-o-rama. My mate was a Sergeant at the time, and instead of driving around in the sedan he used to get around one-up in a battered old Cruiser with a cage on the back. He did this for two reasons – a), that there was only one other van and you could fit more drunks in, and b) the Cruiser had run over and killed one of the locals a few weeks earlier about 130km away at Ali Curung, and was known as ‘poison van’ by the Tennant drunks, who were terrified of it.

    Every single day they locked up between 30 and 100 people, just for being pisswrecks in public. The record when my mate was there was 122. And that’s aside from the assaults, damage, domestic violence, sexual assaults and so on.

    Since the Warrego gold mine shut, taking its infrastructure with it the town devolved into a welfare centre for every violent drunk between Alice Springs and Darwin, along with a branch of the Central Land Council which hands out regular royalty cash. It hasn’t changed and it won’t.

  196. Oh come on

    Bruce, all jokes aside – Annunziata’s defection to the Brexit Party is almost as significant as Ann Widdicombe’s.

    Here’s the thing. During the Brexit campaign, the prominent Tory leavers went out of their way not to publicly ally themselves with Nigel Farage, yet they coordinated closely behind the scenes.

    Now you have JRM, who is one of the most – if not the most – Brexit-to-his-bootstraps Conservatives and is clearly at the heart of the Tory leaver movement declaring a willingness to work with Nigel Farage. This is a major development.

  197. cohenite

    Steve trickler

    #3032120, posted on June 1, 2019 at 8:46 pm

    Avi doing what Avi does.

    Thanks Steve; keep posting Avi’s videos and Tommy’s. Brave little buggars. Just think the RoP on our streets supporting h.mas which means they’re supporting the overthrow of our society. And we let it happen.

  198. Knuckle Dragger

    I have to say, the very concept of publicans handing out ‘guarantees of officer safety’ before coppers walk into a pub is sickening. Unfortunately, I don’t doubt it’s true.

    I have yet to sell a hot dog in Qld, but do and have done elsewhere, quite a lot of it around pubs.

    It should be the other way around. When the wallopers make an appearance, the punters should be asking them for guarantees of patron safety.

  199. pbw

    P,

    The said John Ferguson, on about the 1st March, after Pell’s conviction was announced, wrote

    A strident George Pell told police it was “disgraceful rubbish” and “madness” to claim he had sexually assaulted two choirboys, and that the allegations were impossible.

    This was before the video of Pell’s initial interview by detectives in Rome was posted, and we could determine for ourselves how “strident” George Pell was. Atrocious.

  200. memoryvault

    I have yet to sell a hot dog in Qld,

    Just make sure your street vendor’s permit is current.
    And your equipment has been inspected and approved by both the relevant State government department AND the local relevant local council (separate approval for each council)
    And you will have completed and been deemed competent in a Cert III Safe Food Handling course.

    I bet you think I’m making this up.

  201. Knuckle Dragger

    Rules to live by – never ever let a woman touch your:
    Dog;
    Remote;
    Cricket bat; and/or
    Wheels.

    Got home and my friendwhoisagirl asked to borrow my Colorado ute to move some stuff around tomorrow. I was going to be at cricket all day, so said ok but you’ll need to put some fuel in it. She turns up, leaves me her car, takes the ute and the $20 I gave her for said fuel.

    Ten minutes later, phone rings. My friendwhoisagirl says she’s at the pumps at the servo, she’s really grateful and that when I pick the ute up tomorrow it’ll have a full tank.

    Of premium unleaded.

    In the following nanosecond I am flushed with adrenaline.

    ‘NO NO NO NO FUCKIN’ DIESEL! DIESEL FUCK YA!’

    Only just in time. That she had the sense to ring me at all demonstrates why she’s a friend.

  202. Knuckle Dragger

    MV,

    Up here it’s a Cert I.

    The five second rule reigns supreme.

  203. Just make sure your street vendor’s permit is current… etc.

    Easy to see you’ve been out of the game for a few days at least.
    Food Premises Licence.
    Registration of a Food Transport vehicle (not cheap, not easy)
    Registered Food Safety Officer for the business. (must be qualified in ..two different modules of bullshit)
    Copy of the Food handling qualifications for EACH person who works in the operation – regardless of their function.
    Copy of the formal food safety induction you conducted for each staff member, if they haven’t done that, it doesn’t matter if they’re the Great Pierre just popped in from Maxim’s, or even if they’re from the hot dog van next to you, if you haven’t conducted a full written & signed by both parties induction, then you’re using an “untrained” person & in line for a fine of …er… up to $20,000
    Written procedures for how to prepare each “dish” (I’m not making that one up, I’ve been pinged for it)
    Written procedures on how to wash hands, placed prominently over the hand washing area.
    Various other bullshit I can’t think of on the spot, but I’ve got a ring binder close to two inches deep full of it all.

  204. Zyconoclast

    Angela Merkel has given up hope on her heir apparent and is hunkering down in office in the face of growing turmoil in Germany’s ruling party.

    Merkel has decided that Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer, who took over as leader of the Christian Democratic Union in December, is not up to the country’s top job, according to two officials with knowledge of her thinking. As a result, the chancellor has become more determined than ever to stay in power until her term ends in 2021, the officials said.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/merkel-sees-succession-plan-unraveling-105234243.html

  205. There’s a reason fewer & fewer motels are operating a restaurant, & just have the boss flipping a few eggs for breakfast, if they do anything.

  206. Mark A

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3032174, posted on June 1, 2019 at 10:38 pm

    ‘NO NO NO NO FUCKIN’ DIESEL! DIESEL FUCK YA!’

    Never understood the importance of leaded and unleaded to warrant the different nozzle sizes, but not for diesel which is far more destructive.

    (you could drive on leaded for many months before the catalytic converter clogs up)

  207. memoryvault

    I wonder what happened to Elle?

  208. Knuckle Dragger

    With that type of list, which is no doubt the tip of the iceberg, I’m amazed Queenslanders are able to achieve anything at all during their working day.

  209. I have to say, the very concept of publicans handing out ‘guarantees of officer safety’ before coppers walk into a pub is sickening. Unfortunately, I don’t doubt it’s true.

    IIRC we’ve discussed this before KD.
    Not sure it is formal QPol policy, but that a Senior Constable could make such a statement at a public meeting, & be deadly serious about it, is a clear indication of how far the culture of QPlod has been feminised.

    It is not a one-off incident, I’ve had it in two different towns, a long way apart.

  210. egg_

    Someone called “egg” posting about the “World’s Roundest Object”.

    Arma’s probably busy polishing his balls as we speak.

  211. egg_

    Someone called “egg” posting about the “World’s Roundest Object”.

    Arma’s probably busy polishing his [email protected] as we speak.

  212. bespoke

    I was told by a senior copper that he serves the queen I old him the queen said she serves us.

  213. With that type of list, which is no doubt the tip of the iceberg, I’m amazed Queenslanders are able to achieve anything at all during their working day.

    That’s just the Health Act.
    I’ve similar folders (though some up to 12 inches thick) for Fire Safety, Fair Work Act, OH&S, Liquor Act, Gaming Act, & a few others I can’t recall.

    There’s one person on the payroll whose job title is “Compliance Officer”. They do nothing else but try to keep us up to date & compliant with about 12 different & often contradictory gods we have to pray to.
    That such a job exists is total bullshit in a country pub.

    Not one piece of compliance we have to do has any pragmatic function. It is all bullshit.
    Things like ensuring the sign placed 1.8m above each fire extinguisher is a perfect square (not rectangular, & not triangular) and that it is 1.8m above, not 1.81 m

    Eye watering fines apply.

  214. Steve trickler

    17 million views.

  215. RobK

    I wonder what happened to Elle?
    Off on the magic carpet ride?

  216. Steve trickler

    17 million views.

    Well done.



  217. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Spot of spacechooking for Cats with an interest in matters military.

    The current reading is an account of the controversy surrounding one Admiral Frank Jack Fletcher, during 1942. . He led the United States Navy aircraft carrier forces that won their battles, against all odds, at the Coral Sea, Midway, and the Eastern Solomon’s. He lost the war of public opinion, being portrayed as a weak bungler, by those who refused to realize that the United States Pacific Fleet just wasn’t up to the job, immediately, after the disaster at Pearl Harbor.
    “Black Shoe, Carrier Admiral” by John D Lundstrom – good reading, highly recommended.

  218. Sinclair Davidson

    Went to see ‘Lazarus’ tonight. It’s a David Bowie musical story. Maybe you need to be on serious drugs to appreciate it.

  219. RobK

    Maybe you need to be on serious drugs to appreciate it.
    That good?

  220. Knuckle Dragger

    bespoke,

    That is one of the stupidest statements of all time. Not your comment, the statement by that moron masquerading as a copper.

    In my very humble opinion, the primary responsibility of policemen is to keep shit people away from normal people, and to do it by any means at their disposal. Job satisfaction should therefore correlate with the degree of disruption (ideally, lack thereof) normal people are subject to by shit people who need to be kept away from them. By ANY means at the coppers’ disposal.

    In everything they do, there should be that overriding aim.

  221. Sinclair Davidson

    Better than that.

    The reason there was no intermission was so that no one would leave before the end.

  222. memoryvault

    Hi MV. Am still here.

    Hello again Elle. Good to hear.
    Are you ready for some more music?

  223. Knuckle Dragger

    Shit.

    I always thought ‘compliance officer’ was code for ‘glassie’.

  224. bespoke

    KD it was funny though since the queen has said it many times so that made me his boss. No cop car has “to protect and serve” in Australia unlike the States.

  225. memoryvault

    I’m in a quandary as to what a Doomlord economist would consider “serious drugs”?
    Panadol?

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