“Call Lifeline”

In the Open Thread Dover Beach draws our attention to an article about Victoria’s voluntary euthanasia laws. His point is that the law will require falsification of death certificates.

The patient’s terminal illness, not the voluntary assisted dying act, will be recorded as the cause of death on their death certificate and in the register.

Yes – well it’s very Orwellian.

… voluntary assisted dying act …

Dying with assistance used to be called “murder”.  Okay – I suppose it’s “voluntary” so that makes it alright and Parliament has passed a law so that makes it “legal”.

Even bigger hypocrisy, is the bit at the end of the article:

If you want to kill yourself – get information here.

If you want to kill yourself –  get information here or here.

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51 Responses to “Call Lifeline”

  1. Cassie of Sydney

    Wow…how “progressive”….mail order murder…such a great country we’ve become.

  2. Iampeter

    If you want to kill yourself – get information here.

    If you want to kill yourself – get information here or here.

    I think your second one is meant for those that DON’T want to kill themselves.

  3. Sinclair Davidson

    Iampeter – If you thinking you might have second-thoughts about killing yourself.

  4. Dr Fred Lenin

    Who gave th career pollie maggots permission to bring in the murder law? The number of illegal “laws” we have , only there to please a small number of people is astronomical . We need a Peoples Government to repeal the lot of them ,or submit them to proper referenda not like the gay “marriage “ rubbish made law on rubbery figures. “106.54 percent of people are in favour of destroying Australia as ordered by the soros fascist u.n. “Yeah. Right comrade . Lies lies lies socialist fascism at work ,the socialist goebells lives .

  5. Whalehunt Fun

    What if it is someone else that you want to become able to kill themselves. Is there a link that will cause assistance to be offered to a third person. Australia has an overabundance of socialists and similar parasites. Might we not make them aware of an opportunity that would give us great pleasure should they take advantage of it. The death certificate could be marked socialism or Keynesianism.

  6. J.H.

    The cause of death has to be “Euthanized”, not the illness. Also there needs to be a written record of the doctor who proscribed the medications and the people who administered the drugs.

    No secret killing. Everyone gets recorded.

  7. Iampeter

    Iampeter – If you thinking you might have second-thoughts about killing yourself.

    Given the terrible, confused and leftist content on your blog these days I urgently needed those links.

    So thanks.

    But unless I’m missing something, don’t you have a typo? Shouldn’t one of those lines read for those that don’t want to kill themselves? *shrugs*

  8. You are born and die alone…but what the hell do my taxes have to do with your final mercy or sad and depressive end?

  9. Sinclair Davidson

    It is very confusing – I too think, maybe, there should be a “not” there. But if you don’t want to kill yourself why are you calling lifeline?

  10. None

    I wonder if the falsification of Records can be challenged under some other law?

  11. None

    The cause of death is actually a lethal dose of dog killing medicines. Administered intentionally and deliberately with the assistance of government funded government trained fully government approved doctors and pharmacists.

  12. J.H.

    You call Lifeline when you want to be talked out of it…. You call the assisted homicide hotline for a dose of cyanide. There. Defined succinctly.

    John Cleese and the Monty Python mob would have a field day with this situation. Talk about black comedy.

  13. Robber Baron

    Death and taxes.

    That just about sums up the political class.

  14. None

    I will say it again Hitler’s gas Chambers started with his Aktion T4 euthanasia program. When the allies won the war that actually band some of the Nazis euthanasia propaganda films and now we implemented as law in Victoria. Hitler really did win the war.

  15. None

    There’s also really serious question here in that wasn’t every death by euthanasia supposed to be monitored or double checked in some way. If people falsify death certificates how can others be held accountable for how they administer this law?

  16. C.L.

    The Victorian government is committing a serious offence under section 83A of the Crimes Act.
    Penalty: Level 5 imprisonment (10 years maximum).
    http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/ca195882/s83a.html

  17. J.H.

    Yep. Good points there None. Accountability has to be absolute. No secret killings.

  18. None
    #3039458, posted on June 10, 2019 at 6:14 pm

    I wonder if the falsification of Records can be challenged under some other law?

    How would you get standing though? The historical antecedent for certiorari would see such a remedy allowed, but that is not how it is used now.

  19. C.L. the new statute law impliedly repeals the older statute law unless an explicit exemption is made.

  20. Cassie of Sydney

    And of course how long before we will see the euthanising of children….they are already doing it in Belgian and in the Netherlands.

    Oh and what about organisations and religious groups in Victoria that try to discourage “euthanasia”. As with anti-abortion groups…how long before we see these groups criminalised?

    Tick-tock…tick-tock.

  21. J.H.

    The thing is, these Euthanasia activists are going to interfere with a system that works towards managing end of life in the most humane possible way. People in extremis are medicated with pain managing drugs and made as comfortable as possible. Their Healthcare Directorate indicates whether they want intervention or not, whether they wish to have a feeding tube or not, whether they have fluids and if not, whether they are administered small amounts of water by the syringing mouth or wet cloth. Most of those in the final phases of dying cannot swallow anyway.

    I’ve sat vigil on several dying people who were family or friends. The system as it is works well enough. Leave it to the doctors and medical staff to manage end of life in accordance with patient’s Health Directives.

    If another level of bureaucracy inserts itself…. Then doctors will not be allowed to “manage” end of life and pain medications will be interfered with unless you sign yourself over to the Euthanizers. Because we know this is how bureaucracy works to justify itself.

    … and they will perversely punish those who believe that killing one’s self is a sin…. The bureaucracy will involve itself to ensure they suffer. Because they are that friggin’ evil.

  22. Iampeter

    It is very confusing – I too think, maybe, there should be a “not” there. But if you don’t want to kill yourself why are you calling lifeline?

    Because it’s more of a cry for help?

    But OK, I get it.

  23. stackja

    Murder ‘legalized’.
    Next? Take your pick?

  24. Dr Fred Lenin

    Another thin end of the wedge law like gay marriage, give them an inch and they will take a mile . My argument against killing people is ,who will be the judge ?
    The national socialists started murdering peoplewith mental isues in the 1930s under the name “euthanasia “ , they had trained murderers to do the job ,then the reasons for death were expanded widely to encomass nearly all non socialists . Dont trust career politicians they are vermin ,and lie for a living .

  25. Bear Necessities

    Watch out for the Greens. They will extend it for depopulation reasons. And I thought Logan’s Run was silly sci fi.

  26. Roger

    Yes, that’s the way to do it, Sinc.

    Thanks.

  27. Roger

    You are born and die alone…

    Nobody is born alone, and – please God – most people don’t die alone.

    Family, dot…family.

  28. Ivan Denisovich

    Wow…how “progressive”….mail order murder…such a great country we’ve become.

    Further details – and some questions – here Cassie:

    http://www.newsweekly.com.au/nwmobile/article.php?id=58587

  29. Delta

    No doubt at some stage there will be a survey of the users to see how well the programme is working.

  30. Bear Necessities

    There would be a high percentage of non responses for that survey, Delta.

  31. Cassie of Sydney

    “Delta
    #3039554, posted on June 10, 2019 at 7:50 pm
    No doubt at some stage there will be a survey of the users to see how well the programme is working.”

    I’m sure the users will have a lot to say.

  32. Delta

    Really well thanks None. And you?

  33. None

    I’m well thanks too, Delta. It’s good to see you here. Have you had your surgery? Recovering well?

  34. Nob

    J.H.
    #3039496, posted on June 10, 2019 at 6:45 pm
    The thing is, these Euthanasia activists are going to interfere with a system that works towards managing end of life in the most humane possible way. People in extremis are medicated with pain managing drugs and made as comfortable as possible. Their Healthcare Directorate indicates whether they want intervention or not, whether they wish to have a feeding tube or not, whether they have fluids and if not, whether they are administered small amounts of water by the syringing mouth or wet cloth. Most of those in the final phases of dying cannot swallow anyway.

    I’ve sat vigil on several dying people who were family or friends. The system as it is works well enough.

    Yes.

    I’ve just been through this in the last few weeks.

    Everyone knows that eventually the painkillers will kill you.

    Euthanusiasts draw a long bow from that and claim it’s the same.

    But it’s purely reactive and strictly controlled in the current system.

  35. Lee

    And of course how long before we will see the euthanising of children….they are already doing it in Belgian and in the Netherlands.

    Including – shocklingly – just for depression.

  36. Boambee John

    None
    #3039459, posted on June 10, 2019 at 6:15 pm
    The cause of death is actually a lethal dose of dog killing medicines. Administered intentionally and deliberately with the assistance of government funded government trained fully government approved doctors and pharmacists.

    Now that this procedure has been legalised, there can be no objections to capital punishment on the grounds that it is cruel.

    That still leaves other arguments, but one commonly used has been negated.

  37. The BigBlueCat

    I told my local member, Jill Hennessey, that “voluntary assisted dying” was not warranted, needed or desired from a public policy perspective. This was before the legislation went to parliament. We decry youth suicide, but because of modern progressivism we provide for suicide for those who are “suffering”. We have heard about the girl in the Netherlands, and we all know about involuntary suicides in Belgium and the Netherlands. When will we ever learn that government-sponsored suicide is a slippery slope that we must avoid.

  38. Sinclair Davidson

    Iampeter – I don’t want to appear flippant. I did give thought to the “not” issue. For a lot of people lifeline and beyondblue do good work.

  39. Helen

    OK, let’s be consistent. Ban euthanasia for animals. So if a racehorse falls and breaks a leg, euthanasia is prohibited; the horse must be taken to a palliative care unit and given painkillers till it dies. The same for your sick and dying dog or cat. If you think this is cruel, and seriously injured animals that can not recover should be euthanised, then you are kinder to animals than people.

    Personally, I want to be able to chose to die if I am terminally ill and in pain that cannot be treated. The ultimate freedom of choice.

  40. Crossie

    The patient’s terminal illness, not the voluntary assisted dying act, will be recorded as the cause of death on their death certificate and in the register.

    Yes – well it’s very Orwellian.

    Not much different to Tasmanian law of not recording a newborn’s sex.

  41. Alan

    Voluntary indeed. NETHERLANDS: Elderly Woman Forcibly Euthanized
    “The doctor ordered her own family to physically hold her down”
    Consequence? Dutch doctor reprimanded.

  42. Up The Workers!

    If I remember rightly, Dodgy Dan’s fraternal Socialist peers had a similar “progressive” scheme in operation which worked very successfully – like a production line, in fact – at major clinics situated conveniently at Auschwitz , Treblinka, Belsen, Birkenau, Dachau and other such formidable, world-renowned Institutions of Socialist Health Care, some years ago.

    If you want to kill yourself, first vote Socialist.

    Soylent Green – Yum, yum. Think I’ll invite the rellos over for a meal, said Hannibal Lecter.

  43. Percy Popinjay

    Have the stupid.forking.gliberals stated that they will repeal these odious laws if they’re ever re-elected?

    No, I didn’t think so.

  44. Cassie of Sydney

    “Percy Popinjay
    #3039984, posted on June 11, 2019 at 8:43 am
    Have the stupid.forking.gliberals stated that they will repeal these odious laws if they’re ever re-elected?

    No, I didn’t think so.”

    Is there a Liberal opposition in Victoria? And if they exist…..they’re just Labor lite.

  45. Sinclair Davidson

    Personally, I want to be able to chose to die if I am terminally ill and in pain that cannot be treated. The ultimate freedom of choice.

    I have no objection to people choosing to kill themselves. I have an objection to people killing other people.

  46. Roger

    Personally, I want to be able to chose to die if I am terminally ill and in pain that cannot be treated.

    There is no pain in the terminally ill that cannot be treated if the doctors have the requisite knowledge and skills to do so.

  47. yarpos

    JH, you describe an ideal scenario which is not always available to all people. Your experience is just that, not everyones experience. Euthenasia is not mandatory, all the processes you describe are still available to all those that want them. Another option is now available to those that want it.

    My exit strategy sits in my residence should I feel the need to use it. I want to have a means of exit that is available, easy to use and leaves minimal mess for others. Its no gaurantee of course , but at least I know that if I still have control I can act.

  48. yarpos

    “Personally, I want to be able to chose to die if I am terminally ill and in pain that cannot be treated.

    There is no pain in the terminally ill that cannot be treated if the doctors have the requisite knowledge and skills to do so.”

    Remember that if you end up vomiting up your own feces. Its not just about pain.

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