Tuesday Forum: June 11, 2019

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  1. stackja

    ALP playing games on taxes.

  2. stackja

    Setka still safe it seems.

  3. Mother Lode

    I leave ‘turd’ place to someone more deserving of the title.

  4. Cassie of Sydney

    stackja
    #3040023, posted on June 11, 2019 at 10:04 am
    Setka still safe it seems.”

    Oh he will always be safe….anyone heard anything from Dan the Man?

  5. stackja

    Mother Lode
    #3040027, posted on June 11, 2019 at 10:05 am

    The tide turd?

  6. Bruce of Newcastle

    Here’s one for the ABC.

    Iran’s FM affirms right to execute gays and blasts U.S. and Israel (10 Jun)

    Regarding Iran’s execution of gays, Zarif said that: “Our society has moral principles, and according to these principles we live. These are moral principles regarding the behavior of people in general. And that’s because the law is upheld and you abide by laws.”

    I don’t think Qwerty people should go near tall buildings in Tehran anytime soon.

  7. Tom

    Calli! Please get back here and fumigate the old fred. We don’t want that stink rising through the floorboards.

  8. BrettW

    Actually I have changed my mind. The CFMEU should keep Setka on.

    His continued leadership just confirms what a bunch of thugs and hypocrites they are.

    He is also causing much angst within Labor and Unions. I even saw a comment that his deputy Shaun Reardon wants him to step down.

    Hadley just mentioned Albo in relation to CFMEU. Apparently Albo has pointed towards good charity work done by CFMEU. Hadley likened it to bikie gangs delivering toys to hospitals.

    The irony is White Ribbon / DV was the most high profile charity the thugs have supported and it was clearly a CFMEU campaign to make themselves look virtuous.

  9. thefrollickingmole

    Dot, please have a bit of a closer look at that old “Central park 5” case rather than rely on propaganda ion netflix.

    All 5 (plus the actual ravper) participated in the attack on the lady, holding her down, “feeling her tits” etc as well as bashing and robbing her.
    They also attacked other people that night.

    Whats happened is a very creative application of using the confession of the actual DNA sample proven rapist (coincidental the statute of limitations had run out) and made it all about his individual crime and pretending the other 5 hadnt participated.

    They HELD HER DOWN AND BEAT HER NEAR TO DEATH, but thats ok, only one blokes se men was found insider her.
    https://www.city-journal.org/linda-fairstein-mwa-award-rescinded
    What is “extremely troubling” is that Fairstein is exactly right: the five youths confessed to attacking the jogger and many others in the park that night, including two men who were beaten into unconsciousness. Jurors were told that the DNA evidence did not match any of the defendants, but they still voted to convict them, even while knowing that a Mr. X remained at large. In 2002, that individual, Mathias Reyes, admitted to ripping the woman, but the statute of limitations for prosecuting him had expired.

    The now widely held fallacy is that because Reyes confessed to the crime, the five youths must be innocent, and that the presence of his DNA means that they could not have been involved in the attack, which left Meili in a coma for two weeks. Notwithstanding the de Blasio administration’s payment of nearly $41 million to settle their suits for wrongful conviction, the five were not exonerated. Their convictions were vacated, meaning that they were entitled to a new trial. Having all been released from prison, the men have nothing to gain from a new trial; indeed, they have much to lose.

    Despite all the evidence pointing to the involvement of the five accused youths; despite the extreme viciousness of the crime; despite the fact that police and prosecutors turned square corners, many are willing to embrace the narrative of police abuse, false confessions exacted under duress, and wrongful conviction in this case. It’s all part of a broader narrative: that of a racist criminal-justice system, eager to destroy the lives of innocent young black men.

  10. Short version.

    ffs, PLEASE PLEASE TAKE THE NAUGHTY WORD MACHINE OUT THE BACK AND SHOOT IT.

  11. Short version.

    ffs, PLEASE PLEASE TAKE THE NAUGHTY WORD MACHINE OUT THE BACK AND SHOOT IT.

    Short version.
    Dot.
    Netflix series on Central Park 5
    Propaganda
    Biased.

    This article explains a bit.
    https://www.city-journal.org/linda-fairstein-mwa-award-rescinded

  12. cohenite

    A list of all the things globall warming is claimed to cause: some of the links are very old and amusing, such as:

    Could a sex change, caused by rising temperatures, cause the end of the prehistoric Tuatara? Jonica Newby travels to a remote island of the coast of New Zealand to find out if a creature preserved since the Jurassic could be facing extinction.

    Broadcast: Thu 25 Mar 2004, 9:00pm
    Published: Thu 25 Mar 2004, 9:00pm

    The abc naturally.

  13. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Anyway, closing down for a few days. Off on holiday with the Memsahib. Spot of wine tasting, fine dining and sight seeing. See you all later.

  14. Dr Faustus

    Setka still safe it seems.

    Hardly. No, not at all.

    Moist McManus has crushed his testicles:

    The ACTU secretary, Sally McManus, has demanded John Setka apologise for comments he is reported to have made…

    And ‘Iron Fist’ Albanese has punched him viciously in the throat:

    The federal Labor leader, Anthony Albanese, described Setka’s remarks as “totally unacceptable if that’s what he said”, but also played down his significance within the party.

    Gorne for all money.

  15. Mother Lode

    Iran’s FM affirms right to execute gays and blasts U.S. and Israel

    I am sure the ABC will begin a new campaign demanding that the Australian government compel (of give money) to encourage the Iranian regime to calm down on the ‘gay’ bit.

  16. Roger

    Whats happened is a very creative application of using the confession of the actual DNA sample proven rapist (coincidental the statute of limitations had run out) and made it all about his individual crime and pretending the other 5 hadnt participated.

    Yet despite their alleged participation there was no forensic evidence linking them to the crime. None of their DNA on the victim, none of her blood on their clothes. Those facts certainly cast doubt on the veracity of their confessions.

  17. Top Ender

    Sounds promising:

    Power, gas costs key to tax cut win
    ROSIE LEWIS MICHAEL RODDAN

    CROSSBENCH SENATORS SPELL OUT DEMANDS

    A powerful group of crossbench senators is demanding action to reduce high electricity and gas prices in return for supporting the government’s flagship $158 billion personal income tax cuts package.

    Rex Patrick, one of two Centre Alliance senators with crucial Senate votes, yesterday suggested the party was prepared to withhold support for the tax cuts amid concerns that any economic benefit would be wiped out by energy companies raising the cost of electricity and gas.

    One Nation leader Pauline Hanson also outlined three reforms — a new high-efficiency, low-emissions coal-fired power station, a royal commission into family law and a water-diversion scheme — that she wanted the government to address before she considered income tax cuts for medium and high-income earners.

    The Morrison government has the support of only one crossbench senator, the Australian Conservatives’ Cory Bernardi, for its entire income tax cuts plan and will need to win over at least three more crossbenchers to pass the package if Labor and the Greens remain opposed.

    From the Oz print edition

  18. Knuckle Dragger

    Contrary to experience watching TV shows, DNA or lack thereof is not always a smoking gun.

    It is easily transferable. A fingerprint is not, and it shows when smart-arse attempts are made to do so.

    Because there’s no DNA evidence someone was somewhere, doesn’t necessarily mean they weren’t.

  19. Mark M

    Nasdaq: China, India thermal coal imports hit multi-year highs in May 2019

    “China’s shipped imports of thermal coal, which is used mostly for power generation, will reach 17 million tonnes in May, data in Refinitiv showed, the highest level since at least 2015, and up from around 12 million tonnes a year ago.

    The figures exclude land imports, such as China’s purchases from Mongolia.”

    https://www.nasdaq.com/article/china-india-thermal-coal-imports-hit-multiyear-highs-in-may-20190531-00106

    Next time a clown on Q&A says coal is dead.

  20. Short version.

    Roger

    Ive had a look and it appears the blokes involved were being assholes but definitely werent implicated in the Central park r….e case.

    Heres the actual decision on vacating the convictions.
    https://web.williams.edu/Psychology/Faculty/Kassin/files/CPJ.Morganthau.motion.12.5.02.doc

    In short they were the unluckiest thugs to walk the face of the earth.
    Unlucky enough to have been committing violent attacks, mob handed on random people at the same time an unknown serial Papist (the worst sort) was assaulting a woman reasonably nearby.

    Most important, the jurors who originally heard the evidence were presented with no persuasive alternative theory of the case to consider. Certainly, no one would have thought that as the defendants and their group were making their way through Central Park, a serial Papist was also at large. The newly discovered evidence provides incontrovertible proof that he was.
    104. A self-confessed and convicted serial Papist — who habitually stalked white women in their 20’s; who attacked them, beat them, and r….ed them; who always robbed his victims, and frequently stole Walkmans; who tied one of his victims in a fashion much like the Central Park jogger; who lived on 102nd Street; who beat and r…..d a woman in Central Park two days before the attack on the transverse; whose DNA was the only DNA recovered inside and alongside the victim; whose narrative of events is corroborated in a number of significant ways; who had no connection to the defendants or their cohorts; and who committed all his s…. crimes alone — has come forward to say that he alone stalked, attacked, beat, r…..ed, and robbed a white woman in her 20’s, who was set upon on the 102nd Street transverse, was missing her Walkman, and was left tied in a way that has never before been explained. Had this evidence been available, the defendants’ attorneys would have had an arguably compelling alternative to the People’s theory of the case.

    Ive had to change my mind on something faced with new facts clearly set out..
    How uncomfortable!!!

  21. thefrollickingmole

    Short version is me… hit wrong button…

  22. Top Ender

    The Vatican has rejected the idea that people can change or choose their gender, suggesting the movement aims to “annihilate the concept of nature”.

    The Vatican office that oversees Catholic schools and universities published a guidance document for priests and teachers yesterday called Male and Female He Created Them.

    It describes an “educational crisis” around gender and criticises the view that gender and sexuality can be “fluid”, saying such theories are “founded on a confused concept of freedom”.

    New Ways Ministry, a group for LGBT Catholics, said the document was a “harmful tool” that would also be used against gay and bisexual people.

    Oz link

  23. stackja

    Top Ender
    #3040052, posted on June 11, 2019 at 10:26 am

    IT’S ALBO WHO IS HOLDING US TO RANSOM
    TERRY McCRANN

    My goodness, she’s some powerful politician that Pauline Hanson.

    There are 76 senators. It takes 39 senators to pass legislation. Hanson’s One Nation has a mighty team of all of two senators — this month it’s her and WA’s Peter Georgiou; from next month it will be her and fellow Queenslander Malcolm Roberts (assuming he wins a seat as seems likely).

    Yet that block of all of two votes is apparently enough to deliver or deny the government’s proposed tax cuts — as one media headline had it yesterday, Hanson was holding them to “ransom”.
    In fact, Hanson’s two votes wouldn’t be worth two bits but for the fact that it is actually Labor’s 26 senate votes and the 9 senate votes of the Greens which are really holding not just the tax cuts but the nation’s entire future to ransom. Not just your tax cuts but your job or your business.

    If either Labor or the Greens were prepared to respect the mandate delivered to the government by the election, the proposed tax cuts would sail through the senate.

    But after coming out all supposedly bipartisan in his first comments as Labor leader, Anthony Albanese has shown just exactly what he means by ‘bipartisan’. He and Labor will happily vote for the things Labor wants and only what Labor wants.

    So the government can ‘have’ its tax cuts provided they are limited only to the tax cuts that Labor promised in the campaign but couldn’t get the electorate to vote for.

    The important thing is that this is no longer just about politics; it’s now about the basic health of the economy.

    And that ultimately means jobs, jobs and jobs.
    Reserve Bank governor Philip Lowe made it absolutely crystal clear last week that the economy was in trouble and it needed help from everyone.

    First the banks had to do their bit and pass on, in full, his official interest rate cut. CBA and NAB got the message; ANZ and Westpac, to their shame, did not.
    Then Canberra — note, Canberra, not one side of politics — had to do its bit to boost the economy. The ‘easy bit’ is delivering the tax cuts, in full and quickly.

    Only Labor and the Coalition can reasonably expect to actually govern — and to take that responsibility seriously.

    Labor is in the process of proving it’s totally unfit to do so. ‘Albo’ is proving from the get-go he’s totally unfit to ever be PM.

  24. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Serial Papist’

    Ha!

  25. Mother Lode

    A powerful group of crossbench senators is demanding action to reduce high electricity and gas prices in return for supporting the government’s flagship $158 billion personal income tax cuts package.

    Hmmm.

    My first thought was that they would cut the price of electricity simply by increasing subsidies – transferring part of the price from your electricity bill to your tax bill.

    But tax cuts at the same time?

    They are going to have to put their thinking caps on for new ways to soak the rich, or to move imposts from ‘tax’ to other types of charges.

    One thing we can be sure they will not do – pull back their meddling in the market and allow the more efficient to crowd out the less.

  26. dover_beach

    The Vatican has rejected the idea that people can change or choose their gender, suggesting the movement aims to “annihilate the concept of nature”.

    The Vatican office that oversees Catholic schools and universities published a guidance document for priests and teachers yesterday called Male and Female He Created Them.

    It describes an “educational crisis” around gender and criticises the view that gender and sexuality can be “fluid”, saying such theories are “founded on a confused concept of freedom”.

    New Ways Ministry, a group for LGBT Catholics, said the document was a “harmful tool” that would also be used against gay and bisexual people.

    And some people here thought that LGBT politics would end with destroying the concept of marriage, and could not conceive that they would slip effortlessly into destroying the concept of sex. This is precisely how liberal politics proceeds. It seeks to dissolve, by means of a powerful state, all distinctions, whether natural or not, as impediments to individual autonomy.

  27. Stimpson J. Cat

    Short version is me… hit wrong button…

    Sock Puppets are for degenerate scum,
    just so we are clear .

  28. Leigh Lowe

    A powerful group of crossbench senators is demanding action to reduce high electricity and gas prices in return for supporting the government’s flagship $158 billion personal income tax cuts package.
    Rex Patrick, one of two Centre Alliance senators with crucial Senate votes, yesterday suggested the party was prepared to withhold support for the tax cuts amid concerns that any economic benefit would be wiped out by energy companies raising the cost of electricity and gas.
    One Nation leader Pauline Hanson also outlined three reforms — a new high-efficiency, low-emissions coal-fired power station, a royal commission into family law and a water-diversion scheme — that she wanted the government to address before she considered income tax cuts for medium and high-income earners.

    So Centre Alliance and PHON are all in the bag for reduced power bills, and PHON explicitly wants a coal fired power station.
    Another of Hanson’s three demands (water diversion) fits very neatly with the Adelaide based Centre Alliance wanting more water down the Murray to Adelaide.

    Tactically, ScoMo simply needs to say …

    “We would prefer that tax, energy and water policy were not inter-twined, and each stand or fall on their own merits. If Albanese wants to support the tax cuts in full, we would happily accept that. However, if not, we will engage with cross-bench senators to meet their requests for energy and water security. If we proceed down that path, we will immediately let front-end design contracts for dams and power stations with a view to signing construction and operating contracts within 6 months. Those contracts will contain a 30 year ‘take or pay’ clause”.
    Your choice Albo.

  29. Leigh Lowe

    Albo describing the CFMMEU.

    “It’s Construction, it’s Forestry and it’s Maritime …”

    He couldn’t quite get to the second “M” … Mining.

  30. thefrollickingmole

    Sock Puppets are for degenerate scum,
    just so we are clear .

    I can explain.
    It was accidental m’lud, my trousers fell down as I was pushing that sheep up the race, thats unfortunately when the kindergarteners from the Sacred heart convent walked in..

    Oh you meant about the sock post… never mind, as you were.

  31. Leigh Lowe:

    If we proceed down that path, we will immediately let front-end design contracts for dams and power stations with a view to signing construction and operating contracts within 6 months. Those contracts will contain a 30 year ‘take or pay’ clause”.

    Didn’t we do this with a certain freeway in Victoria?
    And the government just cancelled it and paid a billion dollars to not build it?
    An incoming Labor government will do this again – just to spite the Libs.

  32. Cassie of Sydney

    “And some people here thought that LGBT politics would end with destroying the concept of marriage, and could not conceive that they would slip effortlessly into destroying the concept of sex. “

    Not me…I knew the march would go on and on.

  33. Lode of Mother

    Sock Puppets are for degenerate scum,
    just so we are clear .

    Steady on…

  34. Leigh Lowe

    Albo pulling the classic line … “go back and look at what I said 5 years ago.”

    But careful not to repeat it, lest it look a bit ugly.

  35. Cassie of Sydney

    I see that chap called Wong is demanding that Setka “consider” his position.

    Oh how I love it when the left eat their own.

  36. Mother Lode

    He couldn’t quite get to the second “M” … Mining.

    Which is not entirely surprising.

    He was in favour of it when he thought ‘mining’ was the process of ‘making your things mine’.

  37. Cassie of Sydney

    “Mother Lode
    #3040050, posted on June 11, 2019 at 10:22 am
    Iran’s FM affirms right to execute gays and blasts U.S. and Israel”

    Meanwhile….at the Washington DC “pride” rally a few days ago…they banned Jewish and Israeli symbols. But they did allow the Palestinian flag. Meanwhile has anyone heard of any annual “Gay Pride” rallies in Ramallah or Gaza City? Perhaps I missed something.

  38. John Constantine

    WLD wellard, the live export company with the state of the art built for purpose, highest animal health and safety record going around continues to be undercut by property developer billionaire owned converted death barges, crewed by third world starving peasants.

    Wld announces today the default interest rate on 15 million of notes has hit 21% and a cascade of other loans are now demanding penalty interest.

    Not holding WLD, but wondering who will get the ships for cents in the dollar.

  39. Cassie of Sydney

    ““Mother Lode
    #3040050, posted on June 11, 2019 at 10:22 am
    Iran’s FM affirms right to execute gays and blasts U.S. and Israel”

    Meanwhile….at the Washington DC “pride” rally a few days ago…they banned Jooooish and Israeli symbols. But they did allow the Palestinian flag. Meanwhile has anyone heard of any annual “Gay Pride” rallies in Ramallah or Gaza City? Perhaps I missed something.

  40. vr

    Here is Linda Fairstein’s reponse in the WSJ on the Netflix show.

    RTWT at the Journal

    Netflix’s False Story of the Central Park Five

    At about 9 p.m. April 19, 1989, a large group of young men gathered on the corner of 110th Street and Fifth Avenue for the purpose of robbing and beating innocent people in Central Park. There were more than 30 rioters, and the woman known as the “Central Park jogger,” Trisha Meili, was not their only victim. Eight others were attacked, including two men who were beaten so savagely that they required hospitalization for head injuries.

    Reporters and filmmakers have explored this story countless times from numerous perspectives, almost always focusing on five attackers and one female jogger. But each has missed the larger picture of that terrible night: a riot in the dark that resulted in the apprehension of more than 15 teenagers who set upon multiple victims. That a sociopath named Matias Reyes confessed in 2002 to the rape of Ms. Meili, and that the district attorney consequently vacated the charges against the five after they had served their sentences, has led some of these reporters and filmmakers to assume the prosecution had no basis on which to charge the five suspects in 1989. So it is with filmmaker Ava DuVernay in the Netflix miniseries “When They See Us,” a series so full of distortions and falsehoods as to be an outright fabrication.

    It shouldn’t have been hard for Ms. DuVernay to discover the truth. The facts of the original case are documented in a 117-page decision by New York State Supreme Court Justice Thomas Galligan, in sworn testimony given in two trials and affirmed by two appellate courts, and in sworn depositions of more than 95 witnesses—including the five themselves. Instead she has written an utterly false narrative involving an evil mastermind (me) and the falsely accused (the five).

    I was one of the supervisors who oversaw the team that prosecuted the teenagers apprehended after that horrific night of violence. Ms. DuVernay’s film attempts to portray me as an overzealous prosecutor and a bigot, the police as incompetent or worse, and the five suspects as innocent of all charges against them. None of this is true.

  41. stackja

    Former whistleblower calls out Labor hypocrisy after ABC raids
    2 HOURS AGO
    ALAN JONES ALLAN KESSING

    The ABC’s top executives will meet with the Prime Minister to discuss federal police raids on the national broadcaster.

    Scott Morrison will hold talks with chairwoman Ita Buttrose and the managing director this afternoon while protests are planned outside Communications Minister’s office.

    The raids have prompted Labor to call for a review of press freedom protections.

    But former whistleblower Allan Kessing says the promise is hypocritical.

    He was convicted after exposing Australian Customs corruption at Sydney Airport back in 2002.

    Mr Kessing tells Alan Jones the Labor Party never followed through on its promise of support.

    “None whatsoever.

    “In fact, in the 2007 election Kevin Rudd actually mentioned me by name and promised that there would be reform to the whistleblower laws and a pardon would be considered.

    “And neither of which happened.”

    In the interview Kessing said: Albo got the information from Kessing. The Oz published the information.

  42. Leigh Lowe

    Didn’t we do this with a certain freeway in Victoria?
    And the government just cancelled it and paid a billion dollars to not build it?

    There is only so much you can do to future-proof it.
    A couple of points here:-
    1. On East-West link, apart from a bit of geo-tech and engineering studies, no construction had commenced. That is why I suggested letting construction contracts NOW. Imagine the Liars going to an election in 2022 with dams and power station construction in full swing and promising to put everyone out of work the following Monday. That was the problem with that fucking idiot Baillieau – if he had fired up day 1 instead of dicking around for two and a half years, the project would have been well under way with hundreds of blue-collars on site by the time the election came around;
    .
    2. Paying out a construction contract is one thing. Paying out a 30 or 40 year ‘take or pay’ supply contract would be yuuuuge. Note that state Liars Parties used to threaten to do away with tollways but, once in Government, found the compensation to the toll operator was just too great.

  43. thefrollickingmole

    vr

    Check the link to the decision to vacate the convictions I posted up above.

    They made the right call to vacate the r>>>e charge, however they should have retrialed on the other assault and robbery ones to have nipped this “did’n do nuffin” storyline taking off.
    https://web.williams.edu/Psychology/Faculty/Kassin/files/CPJ.Morganthau.motion.12.5.02.doc

  44. stackja

    Top Ender
    #3040069, posted on June 11, 2019 at 11:02 am
    New Ways Ministry, a group for LGBT Catholics, said the document was a “harmful tool” that would also be used against gay and bisexual people.

    LGBT Catholics?

  45. Mother Lode

    Perhaps I missed something.

    The Palis and their Prophet Pandering Pals are playing the left for the fools they are.

    Their own inclination is to encourage gays from the tops of building for very speedy and intimate assignations with the pavement, but know that if they keep their mouths schtum then it will be overlooked and the progressives will support them in advancing an agenda that will eventually see their very progressivism punishable by bedraggled koran-wallahs.

    But the progressives are confident on their own brilliance.

  46. Dr Fred Lenin

    I rely on this blog to keep me informed about our politics,I cant go near political gatherings ,local councils or state and federal parliaments as I suffer from COULROPHOBIA , fear of CLOWNS , an incurable disease , and those places have more than their share of clowns .
    There has been a surge in clown numbers in govenment since 2007 when rudd became chief clown , it encouraged others to join in what used to be a sheltered workshop for failed Sububan lawyers and union thieves ,it kept them off the streets and out if jail .
    Remember Coulrophobia ! Its worse than homophoba ,islamophobia ,femmophobia ,genderophobia ,globalopobia ,sorosophobia and commophobia . There is no known cure , except extensive therapy ,and
    I cant be bothered with that crap.

  47. John Constantine

    https://innersydneyvoice.org.au/magazine/from-a-done-deal-to-no-deal-defeating-melbournes-east-west-link/

    What happened in the two years of political power plays and community campaigning tells a story of persistent, strategic, clever and coordinated action by citizen action groups to reposition the East West Link on political agendas at the local, state and federal level. The following is a brief summary of some findings from our research into how community campaigners coordinated and led a crusade to defeat a determined government and stop what appeared to be a ‘done deal’ project in spite of the considerable odds stacked against them.

    Comrades.

    Degrowth uber alles.

  48. Leigh Lowe

    Interesting to see the flunkies in the MSM still running interference for the Greens.

    Yesterday Chris Kenny was having a gab-fest with two meeja types. After 20 minutes of hand-wringing about the “Police State shooting journalists on sight”, they got to the idea for a coal fired power station.
    They all agreed that it was very confusing, because there was “no firm proposal on the table”.

    Well, yes.
    Can you show me the extensive proposal and feasibility study for the NBN?

    You know, the project that the MSM were all over as a “must do” because internet speeds in Kazakhstan were faster.

    Using the same logic, I merely have to point to several countries were electricity prices are cheaper, call it a “no brainer” and get on with it.

  49. vr

    thefrollickingmole,

    I have not been following the case. Nor have I seen the netflix show.

    I saw folks talking about the case upthread, saw this in the WSJ and notified readers of it. Obviously, she is going to have a different take on it to those involved in the show.

  50. Infidel Tiger

    “We are told that our choice is between free markets and state control, when most adults live their working lives under a third thing entirely: private government,” says Elizabeth Anderson, a professor at the University of Michigan, who says the champions of our economic system ignore reality.

    They suffer from hemiagnosia, she says, “like patients who cannot perceive one-half of their bodies, a large class of libertarian-leaning thinkers and politicians … cannot perceive the half that takes place beyond the market, after the employment contract is accepted”.

    This half is getting larger all the time. Sure, we have unfair dismissal laws, but few employees have the financial or emotional resources to use them. After all, they need another job and probably one in the same industry.

    What’s extraordinary is how our economies are taking on characteristics that were a dream of Karl Marx, and a nightmare ­of Joseph Schumpeter, an economist who pioneered the study of entrepreneurs. Both predicted capitalism would wither away eventually.

    Massive limited liability companies were for Marx a springboard to socialism. In the 1950s Schumpeter wrote: “Although (companies) are the product of capitalism, they socialise the bourgeois mind.”

    A cursory look at the annual reports of large public companies indicates shareholders’ interests are quite secondary to the pay and prestige of management. It’s funny, then, to see politicians ­accuse each other of being capitalists or socialists when neither term describes what’s happening.

    Absolutely brilliant column from Creighton today.

    Corporatism is he greatest evil we face.

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/pc-codes-and-misrule-by-bossy-central-planners/news-story/916c21a35ff3b2ca19dae4456edcd948

  51. stackja

    2GB sound bite Albo wants Setka out of ALP.

  52. 2GB sound bite Albo wants Setka out of ALP.

    Setka’s been reading the Cat.
    He obviously likes what he sees.
    Like attracts like.

  53. Arky

    Corporatism is he greatest evil we face.

    ..
    After armadildos.

  54. Fred

    So John Sekta can assault, intimidate and abuse women and no one really minds, but when he blasphemes against Saint Rosie, then his position is untenable!

  55. Bruce of Newcastle

    Corporatism is the greatest evil we face.

    It’s just a symptom of the underlying disease, which is that the left are turning fascist again.

  56. bundyrum

    The only thing the SFL’s will do about power prices is send them up.
    Slomo is just Turnbull lite.

  57. Percy Popinjay

    LGBT Catholics?

    Yeah, they’re available in the same aisle as “Queers for Palestine”.

  58. BrettW

    The simple point is there was no eyewitness, victim or DNA evidence against the Central Park 5. The only “direct” evidence was their own confessions which did not even even match up as to where or who did what. Some were given without an adult being present and 4 were under 16.

    Fairnstein is hardly a credible source as to their guilt as she has to protect her reputation.

    No idea whether she said it in real life but the quote from the series “this is not about justice but about politics” probably sums up the scenario during the investigation. They needed a conviction. A bit like a recent Oz case the pressure on the jury to convict would have been great.

    That is just my opinion base on watching the series and reading about the case.

  59. Boambee John

    Setka’s been reading the Cat.
    He obviously likes what he sees.
    Like attracts like.

    Is that why the seagull is always here? It likes Setka?

  60. Cassie of Sydney

    “red
    #3040124, posted on June 11, 2019 at 12:14 pm
    So John Sekta can assault, intimidate and abuse women and no one really minds, but when he blasphemes against Saint Rosie, then his position is untenable!”

    Yep…and whilst I don’t like Setka, I dislike that fraud Saint Rosie more.

  61. Cassie of Sydney

    “Like attracts like.”

    He’s finally admitted it…..now I know why he has trouble identifying female genitalia. I wonder if Mrs Scumbers knows?

  62. BrettW

    Fred at 1214 hits the nail on the head brilliantly.

    Setka’s wife at one stage wanted to stand for Werribee for state Labor in VIC. If so I guess she would be a member of the party.

    She is also ex Slater and Gordon.

    Seems the news articles about this keep on coming. Time to pay him off must be fast approaching as causing too much damage.

  63. Mother Lode

    Yep…and whilst I don’t like Setka, I dislike that fraud Saint Rosie more.

    Oh, why can’t we just all get along?

    All we need to is get the two of them sitting down, just them, across from each other at a table.

    Wall up the door and windows and fill the room with cement. I promise you neither of them will never say an ill word about the other again.

  64. Mother Lode

    Like attracts like

    Was this Pte Hell?

    How would he know? Nobody likes him.

  65. Cassie of Sydney

    “Anthony Albanese acts to expel militant CFMEU boss John Setka from Labor over Rosie Batty comments

    ‘I don’t want John Setka in our party’: Albanese
    Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese is demanding John Setka be expelled from the Labor Party and…

    “Anthony Albanese will push for CFMEU boss John Setka to be expelled from the Australian Labor Party, declaring he “does not belong in our party”.

    The Opposition Leader said he had written to ALP national secretary Noah Carroll and will move for Mr Setka’s expulsion from the party at the next meeting of the national executive.

    Mr Albanese has asked for Mr Setka’s membership to be suspended before a final decision is made on his membership.

    Oh the schadenfreude.

  66. zyconoclast

    Philly judges discuss language access following study of court reporters

    How long is a minute, exactly?

    Common Pleas Court Judge Kai Scott, thinking of courtroom scenarios, offered the phrase: “She was there for a minute.”

    “A person who’s hearing it could think that person meant an actual minute,” Scott said. “But a minute, if you’re in the black community, could be an hour. It could be six hours. A minute is a long time.”

  67. Johno

    A severe weather warning is in place for almost the entirety of Victoria with strong winds and even flash flooding on the cards on Wednesday. Adelaide and Melbourne could both see more than 20mm of rain.
    This appears on the New.com website.
    Absolutely horrendous catastrophe awaits. More than 20mm!!!! Flee!!!!!

  68. zyconoclast

    The European Left’s Dangerous Anti-Immigrant Turn
    In Denmark, the center left returned to power only by lurching to the right on immigration.

  69. Johno

    A severe weather warning is in place for almost the entirety of Victoria with strong winds and even flash flooding on the cards on Wednesday. Adelaide and Melbourne could both see more than 20mm of rain.
    Why would this be moderated?

  70. Percy Popinjay

    Why would this be moderated?

    Perfesser Davidson has given Fat Al Bore a guest spot operating the spaminator.

  71. Dr Fred Lenin

    Here is the left following the well trodden path of soocialist self destruction , like comrade stalin ,comrade hitler destroying the other crims who helped them to gain power ,one question for the comrades ,where does this leave the andrews gang in Victoria ,a wholly owned branch of the Communist Fascist Marxist Engelist Ulyanovist gangsters ?

  72. zyconoclast

    Business Leaders Speak Out Against Restrictions on Abortion, Reproductive Health Care

    CEOs from more than 180 companies, whose workforce totals over 100,000 employees, sign national ad; declare collective commitment to reproductive care

  73. zyconoclast

    RAINIER BEACH YOGA: UNDOING WHITENESS

    Are you a white person wanting to unpack the harmful ways white supremacy is embedded in your body, mind and heart?

    Are you looking for an embodied approach to racial and social justice?

    Are you craving a spiritual community where oppression and privilege can be addressed with compassion and honesty?

  74. zyconoclast

    As Walmart turns to robots, it’s the human workers who feel like machines

    To Walmart executives, the Auto-C self-driving floor scrubber is the future of retail automation — a multimillion-dollar bet that advanced robots will optimize operations, cut costs and revolutionize the American superstore.

    But to the workers of Walmart Supercenter No. 937 in Marietta, Ga., the machine has a different label: “Freddy,” named for a janitor the store let go shortly before the Auto-C rolled to life.

  75. Percy Popinjay

    Are you craving a spiritual community where oppression and privilege can be addressed with compassion and honesty?

    Are you a drooling collectivist cretin?

    Bloody hippies.

  76. Geriatric Mayfly

    “But a minute, if you’re in the black community, could be an hour. It could be six hours. A minute is a long time.”

    Fiji time works on this very principle.

  77. Mother Lode

    Bloody hippies.

    Best kind.

  78. Mother Lode

    Have Blair and Bolta had their blogs moved or something?

  79. Cardimona

    Do any Cats know when the AEC will finish the Senate count? Wasn’t it meant to be today sometime?

  80. BrettW

    One of the good things KRudd did was get CFMEU leader Joe Mcdonald expelled from Labor before 2007 election. BS let him back in and received CFMEU support in his campaign against Albo. Albo will have no loyalty to them although can’t say that.

    Coalition should do everything it can to point out thuggery by CFMEU leaders. However even better when Labor leaders going on the attack. Perhaps they are restrained by the fact Setka’s court case not finished.

    Will we ever find out details of the 30 dropped charges.

  81. Percy Popinjay

    when the AEC will finish the Senate count

    After they’ve “found” a few more boxes of ballots that fell off the back of a truck, no doubt.

  82. Bill Thompson

    Today’s County Court mention re Kathy Jackson

    https://youtu.be/R8VTrodRG-g

  83. custard

    Do any Cats know when the AEC will finish the Senate count? Wasn’t it meant to be today sometime?

    Cardimona, the AEC said that they would need a minimum of 13 days (post the election) before announcing the final preference flows. In WA I note it took more than 500 counts to decide preferences in 2016 in a DD election. You would think in a half senate election that they would have finished by now but so far not complete. I would hope for a final result by weeks end, but I’m just guessing.

  84. pbw

    Their ABC reports:

    On Friday, The Age newspaper reported that Mr Setka had told a recent meeting of the union’s national executive that the work of Ms Batty had led to men having few rights.

    What’s the problem? I’m sure the reporting is distorted, and Batty is just one of those responsible for the destruction of men and their standing, but the gist of the statement is perfectly correct. Bettina Arnt is one of those who attacks the inordinate influence of Batty.

    Unexpectedly, I have a reason to approve of Setka. This will be another nail in Albanese’s coffin, in which will also be interred the Labor Party’s hopes for some time to come. CFMEU members are unlikely to approve of Albo’s licking the high-heeled boots of femmunism.

  85. Geriatric Mayfly

    Will we ever find out details of the 30 dropped charges.

    Some I believe involved violence. The Left are always on the lookout for this transgression and have steered the definition into the realms of the ridiculous.

  86. Cassie of Sydney

    “Mother Lode
    #3040171, posted on June 11, 2019 at 1:11 pm
    Have Blair and Bolta had their blogs moved or something?”

    They are both on holidays.

  87. Mother Lode

    Von Calusewitz’ famous line:

    “War is a mere continuation of politics with* other means”

    might be give rise to the Trumpian paraphrasis:

    “Tariffs are a mere continuation of politics with other means”.

    *Yeah, I know most people accept the translation as ‘by other means’ but Von Clausewitz definitely said ‘mit anderen Mitteln’, the point being that the other diplomatic and political channels are kept open. Otherwise there would be no end of a war until one side was utterly destroyed.

  88. Percy Popinjay

    LOL – Steyn on the Mikey Gove imbroglio:

    Brexit for Cokeheads

  89. BrettW

    GM,
    Violence. I am shocked that such a law abiding and White Ribbon supporting thug as Setka could ever do such a thing. His members must brim with pride at the example he sets.

    I recall his wife being done for speeding, with kids in the car, a few hours after the “Boxing” day incident.

    Setka had been able to get away with so much so far. About time for end of his reign.

  90. Mother Lode

    Forget my seemingly irrelevant post at 1:33 (well, it is irrelevant here actually).

    It was meant for another thread.

  91. Bruce of Newcastle

    Ashley Perkins charged with aggravated battery after beating her Louisiana wife after accidentally putting her marijuana stash in the washing machine.

    2019 is shaping up to be a memorable year.

  92. Dr Faustus

    The Setka shock horror imbroglio is claiming victims all round the Labor movement;

    Albo’s weak initial response has been prodded into a crossfire hurricane of retribution:

    Albanese said he had written to the national executive on Tuesday morning after speaking to Batty, who was made an officer of the Order of Australia as part of the Queen’s Birthday honours list on Monday.

    Albanese’s comments come after Labor’s Senate leader, Penny Wong, also declared herself on the side of Batty and called on Setka to consider his position.

    The lovely Mx McManus has had to dump an overseas holiday:

    The ACTU secretary has been overseas for a labour conference but has now chosen to fly home early to deal with the unfolding crisis.

    And Setka is digging in with the ol’ duly-elected, “taken out of context” defence.

    (Meanwhile, Sméagol Shorten twitches as he dreams of his preciouss…)

  93. Mother Lode

    to Batty, who was made an officer of the Order of Australia as part of the Queen’s Birthday honours list on Monday.

    If Pirate Pete had the least sense (he doesn’t) he would send the Queen’s Birthday Honours List to the Palace. The Queen would become a die-hard member of the Australian Republican Movement in a heartbeat – anything to stop her name being associated with that vomit inducing roll of retards.

  94. jupes

    On Friday, The Age newspaper reported that Mr Setka had told a recent meeting of the union’s national executive that the work of Ms Batty had led to men having few rights.

    Is truth a defence against expulsion from the Labor Party?

  95. BrettW
    #3040129, posted on June 11, 2019 at 12:19 pm

    Well said Brett.

  96. Because there’s no DNA evidence someone was somewhere, doesn’t necessarily mean they weren’t.

    You mean like in a gang-rope case where their DNA doesn’t match and years later a single convict confesses, and his DNA and his only matches?

    Yeah nah.

  97. BrettW

    When Setka was elected his members did not know his DV propensity.

    However pretty sure with the right prompting they would still re-elect him. If they know what us good for them.

    Great to see the angst causing within Labor. Time to bring out the images of his wearing his White Ribbon T shirts as that is sure to inspire the troops to follow his example. Oh wait, perhaps not.

    However please remember any DV he may have been involved in was brought on by the evil bosses of Boral and the Building Commission inspectors who were picking on him. What with him being such an upstanding law abiding thug.

  98. Leigh Lowe

    Their ABC reports:
    On Friday, The Age newspaper reported that Mr Setka had told a recent meeting of the union’s national executive that the work of Ms Batty had led to men having few rights.
    What’s the problem? I’m sure the reporting is distorted, and Batty is just one of those responsible for the destruction of men and their standing, but the gist of the statement is perfectly correct. Bettina Arnt is one of those who attacks the inordinate influence of Batty.

    It says a lot about the Liars that Setka can survive serial contempt of court offences, ignoring legal direction to pay fines/compensation, threatening children of ABCC officials and actual assault on his ex-partner, but is done in for a fairly mild criticism of Batty.
    That is, that her messaging consistently puts ALL men in the dock for the actions of a minority (which includes Setka, by the way).

    That is a perfectly legitimate criticism.
    But Batty is a lefty poster girl, so …

  99. All 5 (plus the actual ravper) participated in the attack on the lady, holding her down, “feeling her tits” etc as well as bashing and robbing her.

    No. You are wrong.

    Just stop.

    At least one of them could prove he wasn’t even there, even though he confessed.

    She did not positively ID any of them.

    Those last two points annihilate the probanda of the prosecution based on multiple confessions implicating themselves and the other accused.

    Yes I’ve seen the trash Ann Coulter has written too.

    1. If the scene was so bloody, how can she describe what the 5 looked like afterwards, sans blood? This also is good enough for “no case to answer”. If you confess to a rope and bloody beating and have no blood on you, wearing the clothes you had on at them time…?
    2. If she won’t take the word of Reyes who confessed, why did she take the other prisoner’s hearsay at face value?
    3. The police said one of them was scratched. None of his DNA under her fingernails – yet Reyes matched the cervical and clothes swabs.
    4. On top of exculpatory evidence for at least one party (remember the probanda has no leg to stand on if only one party is absolved), there was other forensic evidence at the site which tied Reyes to his DNA found as evidence of rope – and no one else.
    5. The victim says she was attacked by more than one person, but she says two, not five and did not ID ANY of the five.

  100. Mother Lode

    Is truth a defence against expulsion from the Labor Party?

    It is an insurmountable objection to being allowed to join.

  101. Knuckle Dragger

    Frank W, 2.44;

    In general terms. I’m just using this case to highlight that a fingerprint is, has been and always will be better than DNA if you have a choice between the two.

    You can also have jobs where a DNA sample is taken from a victim and described as a ‘mixed sample’ from which individual DNA can’t be obtained or matched, but later tech advances can do it.

    I don’t have a dog in this fight. Don’t make me go all rafiki retardo on you.

  102. Infidel Tiger

    A young female footballer who was dealt two red cards during a match over the weekend south of Perth retaliated by punching an umpire in the stomach.

    The incident happened on Friday during a girls metro match between the Mandurah Mustangs and the Warnbro Swans, a month after the WA Football Commission issued two life bans following an ugly on-field incident at a another junior football match in Perth.

    Lezzos are the angriest species.

  103. notafan

    She did not positively ID any of them.

    She didn’t positively id anyone because in a coma for two weeks

    Linda Fairstein seems pretty reasonable to me, that they were involved in a series of assaults in the park that night

    Five forced confessions?

    Same as the fellows in Ada Oklahoma John Grisham wrote about and Netflix turned into a series.

    Must be a thing

  104. Dr Faustus

    An initiative by the Palacechook/Trad Government to reduce energy prices – a 25% increase in State royalties on oil and gas production.

    You can afford to pay a bit more.

  105. Knuckle Dragger

    One of the biggest traps for young players.

    If you’re going to flog a confession out of someone, make sure it’s at least plausible that the crook did it.

    Also, ‘find’ some tiny bit of corroborating evidence. Somehow. Somewhere.

    Apparently.

  106. notafan

    I:m not suggesting that the conviction was correct because Reyes appears to have acted alone but I would not witch-hunt the prosecution either.

    Reasonable assumption that the r apist was one of the other 30 involved in attacks in CP that night.

    Reyes was a serial rapist

  107. Shy Ted

    ScoMo apparently meeting with ABC #1 & #2. Chance for him to shine and reclaim the base. Prolly sign up as life member of friends of their ABC.

  108. notafan

    I:m not suggesting that the conviction was correct because Reyes appears to have acted alone but I would not witch-hunt the prosecution either.

    Reasonable assumption that the r apist was one of the other 30 involved in attacks in CP that night.

    Reyes was a serial r apist

  109. feelthebern

    Things are looking marginally better for NSW.
    With Vic & QLD imploding with higher taxes, fees, levies, charges we look like a better state. Marginally.
    The problem is, Gladys will probably use this as an excuse to up NSW’s tax grab.
    I loved the late 90’s when states use to compete for business.

  110. calli

    I couldn’t leave this on the olde fred:

    Nude cyclists ride through the streets of Chicago, California and Toronto as part of the 2019 World Naked Bike Ride to expose dangers of climate change

    Note: it’s summer here.

    If they were rooly rooly serious, they’d do it in the fast-retreating, never to be seen again winter (only in their minds, mind).

    From Anchorage.

    Like a furless Iditarod.

    I’d pay folding money to see that.

  111. feelthebern

    The ACCC should use the TPA to enforce COAG is dissolved.
    Most anti competitive organisation in Australia.

  112. jupes

    It says a lot about the Liars that Setka can survive serial contempt of court offences, ignoring legal direction to pay fines/compensation, threatening children of ABCC officials and actual assault on his ex-partner, but is done in for a fairly mild criticism of Batty.

    Not just the Liars.

    This says a lot about our society in general.

  113. Geriatric Mayfly

    Fluids leaking from a decomposing body upstairs last month forced health officials to close a Connecticut restaurant, according to a Monday report. Authorities were called to a Thai restaurant in Windsor on May 29 regarding a foul odor and a reddish-brown liquid dripping from the ceiling of the restaurant,

    You can come on down Hannibal, we have a table for you.

  114. calli

    ****STOP PRESS***

    The Portmanteaux Have Landed. Repeat: The Portmanteaux Have Landed

    Battered, straps and tags missing, but here.

    😃

  115. feelthebern

    I remember when the media made Setka out to be a saint during the Royal Commission.
    How quickly it all turns.

  116. Shy Ted

    Is there nobody in Adelaide who isn’t gay? Using the word in all it’ contexts. And yes, that’s the Premier consorting with the enemy as part of an arts-led economic recovery.

  117. I remember when the media made Setka out to be a saint during the Royal Commission.

    Please post all saintly references, or links to same.

  118. Johno

    Please post all saintly references, or links to sam

    Do your own bloody homework you boofhead

  119. BrettW

    Notafan,
    Forced confessions definitely been a thing, especially 30 years ago in a case where NYD needed arrests. Fairnstein must have known the case was dodgy to say the least. But hey, they were black. Only now has it come back to haunt her reputation.

    Check out the Scotsboro Boys case from the 30’s where death penalty was involved.

  120. Old School Conservative

    A young female footballer who was dealt two red cards during a match over the weekend south of Perth retaliated by punching an umpire in the stomach.

    Soccer, I assume.

  121. Ellen of Tasmania

    For Calli – to celebrate the luggage arrival (Just under 4 mins):

  122. Mitch M.

    Lecture begins at 5.30. Israel had an interesting beginning.

  123. Old School Conservative

    1735099
    #3040272, posted on June 11, 2019 at 3:55 pm
    Please post all saintly references, or links to same.

    I’m sure anyone REALLY interested could look it up on Wikipedia.

  124. Looks like these people have the right idea.
    I could show them a good place to start.

  125. Grigory M

    Please post all saintly references, or links to sam

    Do your own bloody homework you boofhead

    Seems to me that someone, not you, made a statement – and was politely asked to substantiate it. Perfectly fair and reasonable imo.

  126. notafan

    Notafan,
    Forced confessions definitely been a thing, especially 30 years ago in a case where NYD needed arrests. Fairnstein must have known the case was dodgy to say the least. But hey, they were black. Only now has it come back to haunt her reputation.

    Four black, one Hispanic

    as it turned out the actual r apist was Hispanic

    you want to pretend that multiple people weren’t assaulted in the park that night by a large group of mainly black youths and none of these boys were involved

    I didn’t say it wasn’t a miscarriage of justice but to malign Fairstein because all innocent lambs and racism

    yeah nah

    btw who are currently grossly over-represented in murder and other serious crimes in the US?

  127. calli

    Thanks, Ellen!

    I’ve just had a celebratory G&T. It’s broad daylight and time for bed.

    Unnatural. No wonder they get cabin fever.

  128. thefrollickingmole

    Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Check the link i posted to the decision to vacate the case later on and my subsequent change of opinion.

    I would also point out the “boys” were involved in attacking and flogging a number of other people on the same night, near the same location.

    They were dead set unlucky the serial Papist struck around the same time.

    However please spare the hearts and flowers, the state should have ensured the assault convictions stood while the Pape case was quashed exactly to avoid this retrospective halo effect.

    Coppers had “expert” testimony (shades of Azaria) on hair samples tying a few of the blokes to the scene and they dobbed in the others.
    Coppers would have done the standard “we know you did it” routine about the assaults then dropped the Pape on them like a ton of bricks after they established they were nearby etc.

    As usual the “truth” is a bit muddy, they were deadset innocent of the pape but almost certainly guilty of assaults & mayhem.

    Read the court document Ive posted twice above, it sets it out brilliantly and clearly.

  129. ScoMo apparently meeting with ABC #1 & #2. Chance for him to shine and reclaim the base. Prolly sign up as life member of friends of their ABC.

    Yep. Sure thing.
    Where do I place the bet?

  130. Speedbox

    Ellen of Tasmania
    #3040283, posted on June 11, 2019 at 4:17 pm

    That was bloody funny.

  131. notafan

    Fairstein was a pioneer sex crimes prosecutor when that type of case rarely went to court

    It is the only one for which she is being persecuted and if she was overzealous well that is another thing to racism

  132. Geriatric Mayfly

    On the road to eternal perdition at the TURC was dear old ‘Sparkles.’ But a survivor he is and at last call was back in his old job as a Union heavy and standover man.

  133. stackja

    Their ABC

    Survey reveals sexual behaviour of more than 6,000 high school students
    By Lexi Metherell on AM Broadcast: Tue 11 Jun 2019, 8:10am

    Featured:
    Dr Christopher Fisher, director, Australian Research Centre in Sex, Health and Society, La Trobe University
    Lisa Bastian, manager, Sexual Health and Blood-borne Virus Program
    Claire Vissenga, chief executive, Family Planning Victoria

    Associate professor Christopher Fisher is the director of La Trobe University’s Australian Research Centre in Sex, Health and Society.

    LEXI METHERELL: The centre has surveyed 6,200 students in years 10, 11 and 12 from around Australia.

    Roz Ward consulted?

  134. RobK

    Numbers,
    I could show them a good place to start.
    Your reference to start at Catalaxy in search for neo-nazis is deluded, troubling and somewhat sickening.
    My family has endured Nazi occupation, imprisonment, forced labour and torture. Neo nazis are scum. I don’t see much indication of that on this blog. Your equivocation comparing this blog to some neo-nazi gathering is repulsive in the first order.

  135. thefrollickingmole

    Holy crap Hezbollah read the cat!!!

    https://victorygirlsblog.com/theresa-may-stayed-silent-about-iran-backed-bomb-factory-in-london/
    Terrorists linked to Iran were caught stockpiling tonnes of explosive materials on the outskirts of London in a secret British bomb factory, The Telegraph can reveal.

    Radicals linked to Hizbollah, the Lebanese militant group, stashed thousands of disposable ice packs containing ammonium nitrate – a common ingredient in homemade bombs.

    The plot was uncovered by MI5 and the Metropolitan Police in the autumn of 2015, just months after the UK signed up to the Iran nuclear deal. Three metric tonnes of ammonium nitrate was discovered – more than was used in the Oklahoma City bombing that killed 168 people and damaged hundreds of buildings.” [Emphasis Added]

    I mentioned this as a loophole in the explosives regs quite a few years back here.
    Instant cold packs go kaboom!

    That whole story is worth a look.
    No charges, everything kept quiet, musn’t alarm the proles by pointing out this is a wholly imported terror group tooling up for a campaign whenever they wanted.

  136. stackja

    CFMMEU boss John Setka faces calls within labour movement to stand down

    Premier Daniel Andrews has backed Anthony Albanese’s move to boot John Setka from Labor, with the militant CFMMEU boss set to be sacked from a Victorian government job in the wake of his “disparaging” comments about campaigner Rosie Batty.
    ALEKS DEVIC, TOM MINEAR and JAMES DOWLING, Herald Sun
    Subscriber only

    June 11, 2019 1:58pm

    Militant CFMMEU boss John Setka is set to be sacked from a Victorian government job as Daniel Andrews backs Anthony Albanese’s move to terminate his Labor membership.

    After refusing to act on Mr Setka’s comments about Rosie Batty, the Premier was spurred into action today, making moves for him to be removed from the government’s building industry consultative council.

  137. stackja

    Comment: Transgender priest lectures girls’ school about LGBT rights
    An elite Brisbane girl’s school is rejecting claims that lectures by a transgender priest on LGBT rights was an attempt at indoctrination.

    Des Houghton, ASSISTANT EDITOR, The Courier-Mail
    Subscriber only

    June 8, 2019 5:00pm

    AN ELITE Queensland church school is facing a backlash from parents after it invited a transgender priest to address students about LGBT “rights violations” and other issues.

    Reverend Josephine Inkpin, who was born Jonathan Inkpin, spoke at St Aidan’s Anglican Girls’ School at Corinda in Brisbane’s western suburbs to promote the International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia. Inkpin, a lecturer in theology, also spoke of her transition from a man to a woman.

    Some of the girls who heard Inkpin speak in the assembly hall were just five years old.

    Outraged parents said the school failed to seek their permission before telling students to gather in the assembly hall.

    Some parents said there was “sexualised, (and) highly controversial subject matter”. The school and the church hotly dispute this.

    The controversial lecture, which I’m told has been repeated at other schools including Arethusa Christian College at Spring Hill, has rocked the church establishment.

    Why the Anglican Church allows itself to be drawn into these gender wars and gay rights battles is beyond me. Poor fools them. As if they weren’t in enough strife already.

    According to the online puffery, the International Day against transphobia et al was staged to promote gender fluidity and to “raise awareness of LGBT rights violations”.

    The St Aidan’s girls might not understand it yet but they were drawn into a worldwide campaign to “stimulate interest in LGBT rights”.

    Regardless of whether or not you are a person of faith, I’m sure most of you will be rolling your eyes about these notions of gender fluidity.

    Inkpin declined to comment but her wife Penny, also an Anglican priest, told me the speech was “100 per cent approved by the church”.

    She rejected suggestions the talk was inappropriate but declined to elaborate. “Thank you. Bye, bye,” she said before hanging up.

  138. feelthebern

    “John Setka and Shaun Reardon have stood up for working people in the Victorian construction industry. They stood up for safety in an extremely dangerous industry.

    Sally McManus gushing over St John.

  139. Geriatric Mayfly

    They stood up for safety in an extremely dangerous industry.
    Sally McManus gushing over St John.

    And how many buckets of concrete have been sacrificed in the name of “safety” when the real union objective is something entirely different?

  140. Geriatric Mayfly

    At 1:26 I alluded to the Left’s abiding fondness for describing quite normal behaviour as violence. A few hours later David Thompson emphasises the point.
    Are there really people as absurd and as ridiculous as these f****** feminists filled to overflowing with horse piss.

    In the video linked above, feminist “theorist” Sophie Lewis informs us that the foetus, a nascent human being, is “violent,” does violence to “gestators,” and that abortion is a corrective killing, an “unmaking,” a means of “going on strike against gestational work.” “We need to move away from… arguments around when human life begins,” says she.

  141. Neo nazis are scum. I don’t see much indication of that on this blog.

    You obviously haven’t been following Catallaxy for long.
    It continues to be a repository of racial vilification, stereotyping of minorities, and nationalist paranoia.
    All these behaviours were characteristics of Nazi Germany.

  142. duncanm

    Aboriginal businesses told not to use Aboriginal flag over copyright.

    The Aboriginal owners of two clothing businesses are shocked after receiving legal letters demanding they stop using the Aboriginal flag on their merchandise because it “violates Australian copyright laws”.

    The NRL, Cricket Australia and the AFL may also have been issued notices by Queensland-based WAM Clothing over the use of the Aboriginal flag on clothing, The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald understand.
    ..
    The “cease and desist” letter from WAM Clothing says it holds the exclusive worldwide licence for the use of the Aboriginal flag on clothing.

    The flag was designed by Luritja artist and land rights activist Uncle Harold Thomas in 1971.

    He still holds copyright on the design, and permission for its use must go through him.

    He allows non-commercial operations that give health, educational, legal and other assistance to Aboriginal people to use images of the flag for free.

    But the Luritja artist has licensing agreements with three companies; one to reproduce flags, and the others to reproduce the image on objects and clothing.

    WAM Clothing secured the exclusive clothing licence last year. On its website the business states that Mr Thomas is paid royalties for every piece of clothing sold.

  143. Neo nazis are scum. I don’t see much indication of that on this blog.

    You obviously haven’t been following Catallaxy for long.
    It continues to be a repository of racial vilification, stereotyping of minorities, and nationalist paranoia.
    All these behaviours were characteristics of Nazi Germany.

  144. Gab

    Here’s a tip: no matter how much an Aboriginal person tells you they don’t buy into the victim mentality being expounded by activists, no matter how conservative-minded they seem, do not engage in conversation on the topic. Change topics, pretend you have a phone call, whatever, but DO NOT discuss the matter.

  145. Cassie of Sydney

    “All those behaviours were characteristics of Nazi Germany”…..so says the Joooooo hater.

  146. Gab

    Facts do not trump feelings. Remember that.

  147. dover_beach

    In the video linked above, feminist “theorist” Sophie Lewis informs us that the foetus, a nascent human being, is “violent,” does violence to “gestators,” and that abortion is a corrective killing, an “unmaking,” a means of “going on strike against gestational work.” “We need to move away from… arguments around when human life begins,” says she.

    This is feminism.

  148. cohenite

    Looked in on space-chook, first time for a while; and it was not bad: someone’s comment:

    There was a young man from Racine, who invented a coitus machine. It was concave and convex and could serve either sex and it kept itself clean in between.

  149. Leigh Lowe

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3040251, posted on June 11, 2019 at 3:12 pm
    One of the biggest traps for young players.
    If you’re going to flog a confession out of someone, make sure it’s at least plausible that the crook did it.
    Also, ‘find’ some tiny bit of corroborating evidence. Somehow. Somewhere.
    Apparently.

    I know a bloke who knows a bloke who is a copper (allegedly).
    He was whingeing that his clean-up rate dropped dramatically when he got posted to the country.
    “Any reason you can put your finger on?” he was asked.
    “Phone books are too small”, he replied.

  150. cohenite

    Interesting analysis:

    Even if the IPCC’s worst case scenarios are seen, that’s only a 1.5 watts per square meter increase. Zharkova’s analysis shows a 8 watts per square meter decrease in TSI to the planet.

    The analysis is based on Sunspots.

  151. None

    You obviously haven’t been following Catallaxy for long.
    It continues to be a repository of racial vilification, stereotyping of minorities, and nationalist paranoia.
    All these behaviours were characteristics of Nazi Germany.

    And this us why numbers is here EVERY day, all day, without fail. He is Catalllaxy’s number 1 J*w hater. A Nancy boy Nazi.

  152. bespoke

    RobK
    #3040300, posted on June 11, 2019 at 4:45 pm

    This is new norm in the ‘progressive’ world. Joos are called N#Z# and blacks a called white supremacist.

  153. cohenite

    Grateful users of free heroin injection rooms in Canucka; I guess something similar in Sydney and victoriastan. Boy, they sure look healthy.

    I was going to post pictures of some black homeless guy in califuckia pooping in the street outside a high class café but perhaps that’s going too far.

    I guess the common thread is left wing policies.

  154. Leigh Lowe

    Premier Daniel Andrews has backed Anthony Albanese’s move to boot John Setka from Labor, with the militant CFMMEU boss set to be sacked from a Victorian government job in the wake of his “disparaging” comments about campaigner Rosie Batty.

    And yet Peter Marshall (Fire Union boss) remains in place after putting a novel dispute resolution proposition to Emergency Services Minister Jane Garrett.
    To wit …

    “Sign up or I’ll put a fucking fire-axe through your fucking head.”

  155. DrBeauGan

    Convincing people that they are nutters is very difficult.

  156. candy

    If Albo wants to get respect he needs to get Setka booted completely.

    Otherwise – same old Labor, hypocrites all. Does he have the ticker, is the question. Setka seems a scary sleezy character. Awful man.

  157. Geriatric Mayfly

    I was going to post pictures of some black homeless guy in califuckia pooping in the street outside a high class café but perhaps that’s going too far.

    If body fluids from a rotting corpse can drip through the ceiling into the restaurant below, taking a dump outside a high class café could be considered a thoughtful gesture.

  158. Leigh Lowe

    candy
    #3040338, posted on June 11, 2019 at 5:59 pm
    If Albo wants to get respect he needs to get Setka booted completely.

    Oh, come on.
    We all know how this plays out.
    He gets his ALP ticket torn up, and thrown off the Vicco “Construction Advisory Panel”, but stay as CFMMEU boss.

    His replacement on the panel will have to pop out of the room constantly to “check a few things with the office”.
    He will quietly be restored to all his old roles within 12 months as a “reformed character”.
    They don’t call them the Liars Party for nothing.

  159. BrettW

    I have not read the actual confessions but here is what DA Morganthau said about them after the real rapist confessed and they reviewed the case :

    “A comparison of the statements reveals troubling discrepancies. … The accounts given by the five defendants differed from one another on the specific details of virtually every major aspect of the crime—who initiated the attack, who knocked the victim down, who undressed her, who struck her, who held her, who raped her, what weapons were used in the course of the assault, and when in the sequence of events the attack took place. … In many other respects the defendants’ statements were not corroborated by, consistent with, or explanatory of objective, independent evidence. And some of what they said was simply contrary to established fact”.

    Fairnstein would have been well aware of that. Whilst she may have done great work on other cases this is the one she will now be remembered for.

    This para from Wiki also reveals much about the integrity of the confessions :

    “Although the suspects (except Salaam) had later confessed on videotape in the presence of a parent or guardian, they retracted their statements within weeks, claiming that they had been intimidated, lied to, and coerced by police into making false confessions.[41] Salaam confessed to being present only after the detective falsely told him that his fingerprints had been found on the victim’s clothing.[11] According to Salaam, “I would hear them beating up Korey Wise in the next room”, and “they would come and look at me and say: ‘You realize you’re next.’ The fear made me feel really like I was not going to be able to make it out.”[42] While the confessions themselves were videotaped, the hours of interrogation that preceded the confessions were not”.

    The major discrepancies in their confessions are easy to understand. The detectives are questioning multiple suspects over several hours under high pressure (I remember the news at the time was a huge worldwide story). They have no time to analyse the overall story and compare the narrative in detail and as a result could not possibly come up with versions that matched each other. The reason for this is the detectives were making up and adapting the story as they went along. The fact their confessions were even able to get in as evidence is incredible in view of the several hours of non-recorded activity before video switched on.

    One piece of evidence the jury liked was apparently the victims hair in one of the suspects underpants. Further testing in 2002 found it was not the victims.

    In relation to other offences that night :

    “In the light of the “extraordinary circumstances” of the case, DA Morgenthau also recommended that the court also vacate the convictions for the other crimes that night to which the defendants had confessed. His rationale was that the defendants’ confessions to the other crimes were made at the same time and in the same statements as those related to the attack on Meili. Had the newly discovered evidence been available at the original trials, it might have made the juries question whether any part of the defendants’ confessions were trustworthy.[5]”

    Remember all under 15 except one.

    Their guilty verdict was overturned in 2002 (rape was in 1989) when all had served their sentences. Somebody above said something about a retrial which most certainly wouid not be an option if they have served full sentence already.

  160. I’m not saying the CP5 were angels. They were maliciously prosecuted and Coulter’s die in the ditch attitude over this requires some huge leaps in logic; the whole mess should not have even made it to a bail hearing.

  161. Cactus

    I don’t understand why people are reading the troll. I’m sure your blood pressure will be lower if you just scroll. I do. There is nothing to be gained from reading and engaging.

    I read everyone elses contribution and I am struck by how many people’s posts are the same frustration/unpacking/arguing etc with the Troll.

  162. RobK

    All these behaviours were characteristics of Nazi Germany.
    Good grief numbers. You will find those charactoristics in China and Vietnam, USA and Australia(where there is a law against racial vilification) , why, even many lefties have a propensity to carry them. I have been here a few years and your description “a repository of racial vilification, stereotyping of minorities, and nationalist paranoia”is not how i would describe it. Checkout a neo nazi site or even the Green Left Weekly site for some serious vilification and nationalism/tribalism.

  163. MatrixTransform

    Oh how I love it when the left eat their own.

    my thoughts exactly.

    schadenboner

  164. Caveman

    Setka has said some prettty base stuff , but cant see what the fuss is with his comment to Batty. He didnt call her c××€ or anything, given how they smacking men down , she probably deserves questioning.
    Albo using his listening powers at level 11.

  165. bespoke

    My blood pressure fine. Fisk gave numberwang a beating in the old thread and it was a joy to see.

  166. cohenite

    Big arnie meets with that strange girl from Sweden, says “We must do everything we can to dramatically reduce CO2 emissions.” before getting in his HV which takes him to his personal twin engine Lear jet. What a guy!

  167. BrettW

    Notafan,
    I recommend you read Wiki about what DA Morenthau said about the confessions in 2002 and his views on the other offences the kids confessed to. Quite frankly it is incredible how the confessions even got admitted into evidence. No idea if true but the series did indicate the NYD / Prosecution got it put in front of a favourable judge.

    The important point to remember is they were being interrogated by police for several hours before the video tapes turned on. Under 16 except 1 against experienced detectives needing to get a result.

    The reasons for the discrepancies in the confessions is because the police were the ones making up the story and going from one kid to another. However they did not have the time to properly co-ordinate the case which is why the confessions don’t match each other or other evidence.

    What happened elsewhere that night is not evidence against them.

    To me this a Pell like case except we are looking back 30 years after.

  168. memoryvault

    I don’t understand why people are reading the troll.

    Pavlov’s dogs, Cactus. Pavlov’s dogs.

  169. bespoke

    Boring repetitive virtue signalling, Sad

  170. Roger

    Quite frankly it is incredible how the confessions even got admitted into evidence.

    No sound court would have convicted those boys on the basis of confessions made under duress with no forensic evidence.

  171. memoryvault

    Interesting analysis:

    Old news, Cohenite. Anthony Watts (WUWT) was plotting the onset of the Grand Solar Minimum, and writing about the coming consequences, back in 2008.

    If that’s not far enough back for you, there’s a book floating around describing the (then) coming cool cycle. It was first published way back in January 990. It’s called The Green Hoax Effect. Zulu has a copy. Maybe he’ll loan it to you.

  172. Notafan

    I already said that Fairstein may have been overzealous.

    That doesn’t make her a racist.

    Which is that the furore is all about.

  173. Geriatric Mayfly

    To me this a Pell like case except we are looking back 30 years after.

    Thumbing through the last of three College Year Books saved from the flames, (See previous thread) I find inserted the programme for the annual speech night, and a performance of the Pirates of Penzance. Performed on November 15, 1957 Ballarat was rocked to its foundations.
    Sergeant of Police: Master George Pell.

  174. DrBeauGan

    I got the pills, Notafan. I am now covered for a dire rear, boils and chest infections.

    What I don’t have is the visa. Tomorrow, the embassy and the postal service willing.

  175. thefrollickingmole

    I’m not saying the CP5 were angels.
    Nope and Im not saying they should have been put in the frame for the murder, no way.

    They were maliciously prosecuted
    They were fairly tried in an unfair political/social environment, and the defense did a pretty crap job of pointing out the tiny “window of opportunity” between beating up/ chasing people and the time of the Pape.

    and Coulter’s die in the ditch attitude over this requires some huge leaps in logic
    Calling it logic is charitable, the court documents outline the failings very well.

    the whole mess should not have even made it to a bail hearing.

    The kids should have been charged and (possibly) convicted of the assaults.
    Work out the odds of a bunch of assholes behaving violently accidentally crossing paths for the (hour?) it took for the papist to have struck and if you were a copper they would be front and center of the suspects.

    The kids tried to dob each other in for the assaults, which gave the cops the hook for the “who was involved” for the pape.
    There was also a stupid, unexplained statement by one of the kids sister along the lines of “he only held her leg” which might have been a lie intended to reduce his culpability but would have been like a red rag to a bull for the cops.

    Claiming police brutality is done as a matter of routine in the US, its even got a nickname the “ghetto lottery”.

  176. bespoke

    Coulter is a frightbat nutter, the end.

  177. RobK

    Dr BG,
    covered for dire rear….
    It’s that GP’s scribble again, that should have been “dire ear”.

  178. DrBeauGan

    Dr BG,
    covered for dire rear….
    It’s that GP’s scribble again, that should have been “dire ear”.

    No, it’s a Terry Pratchett joke. Diarrhoea.

  179. What I don’t have is the visa. Tomorrow, the embassy and the postal service willing.

    Be patient.
    Cubans have their own unique idea of time.

  180. Eyrie

    “Like a furless Iditarod.”
    Calli wins the Forum for today.

  181. Farmer Gez

    With 30mm expected over the broad swath of Northern Vic tomorrow, the BoM forecast of only 35% chance of exceeding median rainfall in June will gone before mid month.
    They never fail to fail.

  182. Eyrie

    “I mentioned this as a loophole in the explosives regs quite a few years back here.
    Instant cold packs go kaboom!”
    A friend of mine who was a teenage rocketeer, explosives specialist and gun maker told me about this a while ago. (the above mentioned skills were about 60 years ago)

  183. Arky

    Ann Hart Coulter is gorgeous and wonderful.
    She is oozing full of creamy good pluck and cheer, and right about almost everything.
    You could all do worse than to trade in all your existing opinions and simply wholesale adopt all hers.

  184. Arky

    What I don’t have is the visa.

    ..
    Have you rung the Numberwang Travel Agency, Tour Advice and Vietnamese Rolls Lunchette?

  185. candy

    He will quietly be restored to all his old roles within 12 months as a “reformed character”.
    They don’t call them the Liars Party for nothing

    That’s true, Leigh L.
    Setka beats his wife and stalks apparently. Albo has to take a stand. People who once voted Labor won’t go back. It becomes a situation that is another example why Labor won’t win another election for a while.
    Because people in high places and top of the unions are seen to trash ordinary everyday values and take a huge huge salary while doing it.

  186. DrBeauGan

    Have you rung the Numberwang Travel Agency, Tour Advice and Vietnamese Rolls Lunchette?

    No, Arky. Things aren’t that bad.

  187. Arky

    Hello, Numberwang Travel Agency, Tour Advice and Vietnamese Rolls Lunchette

    Hello. I need a visa for Cuba. Can you help me?

    Have I told you how I was conscripted?

  188. Arky

    Hello, Numberwang Travel Agency, Tour Advice and Vietnamese Rolls Lunchette

    Hello. Can you do an order of Vietnamese rolls for an office party?

    Have I told you how I was conscripted?

  189. bespoke

    Armadillo

    Congratulations on the near completion of the Model A.
    Without you the girls would be gushing over lawn art.

  190. Arky

    Hello, Numberwang Travel Agency, Tour Advice and Vietnamese Rolls Lunchette.

    Hello. We were considering taking a cruise. What do you recommend?

    Have I told you how I was conscripted?

  191. Bruce of Newcastle

    The Green Hoax Effect

    MV – Haven’t read it but for whatever reason you reminded me of this story from Drudge yesterday:

    We’re in an age of ‘apocalypse anxiety’ and will never stop worrying about doomsday (7 Jun)

    Many predictions of the futures have one common theme: we’re doomed and human civilisation is going to end any day now. You might think that removing religion from society would stop us worrying about some disaster destroying our species. Yet modern secular society is as riven with millenarian fears about the end of the world as the religious societies our ancestors lived in, with science offering us a whole new set of plausible-sounding doomsday scenarios to worry about. And we’re not about to shake off this dread, because we’re in an era of apocalypse anxiety where people are scared about the end of the world in a more diverse range of ways than ever before.

    Take a look at the sheer number of modern apocalypse predictions and it’s easy to see that we’re already living in a golden age of apocalypse anxiety.

    It’s interesting that the Left, which rejects religion, seems to be at ground zero of so much of this millenial stuff. Almost as if leftiness has morphed into a religion itself. Numbers might like to comment about this, when he emerges from the jungles of Indochine.

  192. Arky

    Hello, Numberwang Travel Agency, Tour Advice and Vietnamese Rolls Lunchette.

    Oh. Sorry. Wrong number.

    Have I told you how I was conscripted?

  193. 2dogs

    I don’t understand why people are reading the troll. I’m sure your blood pressure will be lower if you just scroll.

    Others scroll past the troll. I make the troll scroll past me.

  194. Arky

    Just kidding.
    You’re alright Numberwang.
    At least you’re not an armadildo or one of his snivelling apologists!
    cough bespoke cough.

  195. Roger

    Trouble in paradise:

    The designer of the aboriginal flag has apparently been threatening to sue entities that use his design without permission and the payment of royalties.

  196. DrBeauGan

    Hello, Numberwang Travel Agency, Tour Advice and Vietnamese Rolls Lunchette.

    Oh. Sorry. Wrong number.

    Have I told you how I was conscripted?

    And how you’re a bunch of Nazis?

  197. MatrixTransform

    Setka photo-shopped.

    Ice picks at 7

  198. Black Ball

    Here’s a tip: no matter how much an Aboriginal person tells you they don’t buy into the victim mentality being expounded by activists, no matter how conservative-minded they seem, do not engage in conversation on the topic.

    Why would that be Gab? Those who read my posts here would know I abhor identity politics and that self determination is key to the advancement of not only blacks here, but the general population. But Aboriginal people have become reliant on welfare from government, when the best welfare is holding a job. I have 3 and although they aren’t my dream jobs, they pay the bills, keep me fed and housed and are good for my state of mind. Interested in why you wouldn’t bring it up Gab, not that I am having a go at you, would like to know your thoughts.

  199. Boambee John

    a means of “going on strike against gestational work.”

    She has never heard of contraception? Or simply not hopping into bed with any passing male?

  200. P

    Geriatric Mayfly #3040366, posted on June 11, 2019 at 6:37 pm

    Thumbing through the last of three College Year Books saved from the flames, (See previous thread) I find inserted the programme for the annual speech night, and a performance of the Pirates of Penzance. Performed on November 15, 1957 Ballarat was rocked to its foundations.
    Sergeant of Police: Master George Pell.

    Priceless.

  201. memoryvault

    MV – Haven’t read it but for whatever reason you reminded me of this story from Drudge yesterday:

    Bruce, I’m not predicting planetary doomesday, a new ice age, or the end of civilisation as we know it. In fact all I’m describing is a natural, predictable and predicted repetitive cycle in the Earth’s climate. Much of the planet’s populations will face hard times, but they will survive and eventually prosper.

    However Australia as a nation in it’s current form, is fvcked.
    It need never have been this way, but it’s too late now to do much about it.

  202. Black Ball

    The designer of the aboriginal flag has apparently been threatening to sue entities that use his design without permission and the payment of royalties.

    Pretty sure this behaviour was discussed not long ago, with Aboriginal people who have more material wealth and ‘sharing’ this. Those with no enterprise are more likely to shark others for their own end.
    So Harold Thomas designs the flag, did he indeed trademark it? If not, I fear his family have made a grave error. WAM Clothing or whatever they call themselves are to me, entirely within their rights to purchase the trademark and make a profit. Happy to defer to more knowledgeable Cats on the trademark question.

  203. cohenite

    It was first published way back in January 990

    MV, that sounds like my sort of tome, especially, as I expect, it is bound with human intestine!

    Seriously my interest in the Sun, scientifically, was galvanised with Nigel Calder’s The Manic Sun. Oliver Manuel ran with many of Calder’s ideas and Lomborg’s the Skeptical environmentalist referred to it along with Friis-Christensen and Knud Lassen’s work to do with solar cycles. Svenmark and the cosmic ray theory made an appearance shortly after. Anthony Watts drew on the work of guys like Kenneth Tapping from Canada and there has been an avalanche of work to do with solar control of climate. Notably from Russia and China who must be laughing through their backsides at the gullibility of Western nations swallowing alarmist bullshit. Everyone that is except Trump.

  204. jupes

    The designer of the aboriginal flag has apparently been threatening to sue entities that use his design without permission and the payment of royalties.

    Of course our governments will miss this great opportunity to fuck the stupid flag off once and for all. They will pay the money.

  205. bespoke

    MX5 owners share face cream, Sad!

  206. jupes

    Which reminds me. Why does the Perth City Council fly the Torres Strait Islands flag? It is a Queensland flag.

    I’ve asked the numpty at the front desk but he was clueless.

  207. Bruce of Newcastle

    I’m not predicting planetary doomesday

    MV – I’m with you on all this, I was being tangential. I was commenting on the general excitableness of the thermageddonists and the like (eg. there was a New Silent Spring guy moaning on ABC’s Catalyst just before I switched to the late morning news on Seven, he even used the words “silent spring” – despite the fact that Springs at Cafe Bruce certainly aren’t silent, as I fear noise complaints of neighbours). The malaise of millenarianism seems very strong for a supposed era of enlightened lefty humanism. I find it weird and hard to explain, yet the article is compellingly accurate.

  208. egg_

    The designer of the aboriginal flag has apparently been threatening to sue entities that use his design without permission and the payment of royalties.

    Traditional stone age copyright laws?

  209. DrBeauGan

    Here’s a tip: no matter how much an Aboriginal person tells you they don’t buy into the victim mentality being expounded by activists, no matter how conservative-minded they seem, do not engage in conversation on the topic.

    Why would that be Gab? Those who read my posts here would know I abhor identity politics

    I was puzzled by that, too, BB. Gab seems to be over-generalising from a bad experience.

  210. Bruce of Newcastle

    Why does the Perth City Council fly the Torres Strait Islands flag?

    Maybe they’re mooning the deplorable ratepayers?

  211. Notafan

    “Cubans have their own idea of time”

    Stereotyping racist alert!

  212. Notafan

    Did they take your passport BG?

    Such a bore organising visas.

    I just go somewhere that doesn’t need one.

  213. Arky

    MX5 owners share face cream, Sad!

    ..
    That’s my daughters MX5.
    What’s your excuse for open mouthed tongueing an armadillo?

  214. egg_

    Those who read my posts here would know I abhor identity politics

    It must be disappointing to see carpetbaggers bringing your “side” down, so to speak.
    Blame the Left for the victimhood gravy train.

  215. Geriatric Mayfly

    I’ve asked the numpty at the front desk but he was clueless.

    The lowest tier. Visited the local Council office to pay the dog tax. All brand spanking new refurbishment including a plate glass wall directly behind the entrance. To get to numpty at the desk, you could turn either left or right. Muggins walks into the glass wall drawn in distraction by the allure of the mega numpty awaiting my call. “Shouldn’t there be some visible marking on that glass?” I enquire. “Uh?”
    “You would be very much health and safety conscious here, wouldn’t you?” A giggle and “Yes, I am,” puffing herself up. “No one else has walked into it.” (Snip) Next visit I note that ‘Shire of Sodom and Gomorrah’ is etched at eye height right across the offending obstacle.

  216. candy

    The designer of the aboriginal flag has apparently been threatening to sue entities that use his design without permission and the payment of royalties.

    It’s a pickle. For so many years the Aboriginal flag is seen as part of authority, it just is. An emblem representing so many things eg. Kevin Rudd’s Apology. A most significant event in Australia’s history.

    But the flag to become a commercial venture – it does kind of feel strange.

  217. So Harold Thomas designs the flag, did he indeed trademark it? If not, I fear his family have made a grave error. WAM Clothing or whatever they call themselves are to me, entirely within their rights to purchase the trademark and make a profit. Happy to defer to more knowledgeable Cats on the trademark question.

    He is one of the clearer examples of prior art, in our trademark law, aka “evidence of actual use”…

  218. Why does the Perth City Council fly the Torres Strait Islands flag? It is a Queensland flag.

    Because of da solidarridee!

  219. Armadillo

    I’m calling bullshit on the whole flag stuff. I would have thought if I bought a flag, I could actually fly the fucking thing. What next? You can’t take a photograph of a flag and post it on your FB page?

    Think this through. It’s fucking ridiculous.

  220. That is actually pretty funny Arma because FB claims to own all images posted there.

  221. memoryvault

    I was being tangential. I was commenting on the general excitableness of the thermageddonists

    Bruce, anyone with even a semi-functional brain could not interpret your comment as anything other than directed specifically at me.

    To say I am disappointed would be a colossal understatement.
    I already copy enough flak and ridicule here, thanks very much.

  222. egg_

    Have I told you how I was conscripted?

    Are those to blame all long dead?

  223. Black Ball

    What annoys me no end Egg is those who have been in positions of power for many years with no discernable outcomes in Aboriginal lives. Except their own pockets. Looking at Pat Dodson, Geoff Clark et al who decry the plight of less fortunate blacks but line their totally undeserved pockets.

  224. rickw

    Oh. Sorry. Wrong number.

    Have I told you how I was conscripted?

    CLICK

    Well it was 1970, I was in teachers college….

    30 minutes later

    …and so that’s how I became a communist….. Hello?”

    Ring Ring

    Hi, you called earlier, wrong number, we seem to have got cut off, so I’ll start at the start just in case you missed something….

  225. Black Ball

    Ok Frank Walker does this mean he and his heirs are to be paid royalties on use of this design?

  226. I’m calling bullshit on the whole flag stuff. I would have thought if I bought a flag, I could actually fly the fucking thing.

    In a free country you could burn it as well.

    I agree on moral grounds about the flag Arma, I think the exclusivity of the property right has been weakened so much that there is not much left to claim. As for prior art we follow WIPO and the World Wildlife Fund went after the World Wrestling Federation. The World Wildlife Fund won, even though they sat on their hands.

    To begin with it would be up to a trade mark examiner and so would be very interesting off the bat. You could get an IP case with a lot of admin law issues.

  227. Bruce of Newcastle

    Bruce, anyone with even a semi-functional brain could not interpret your comment as anything other than directed specifically at me.

    Apology MV it was not meant to be so.
    A Dalton style minimum isn’t much of an issue to cope with. Not good, but not an existential threat (except to the thermageddonists). And an Ice Age is highly unlikely as the rate of cooling from the Vostok core data is only around 0.5 C/century at its fastest. Plenty of warning to build up the nuclear sector and whatnot.

  228. Boambee John

    Following earlier posts, I think I have worked out why the seagull comes here all the time.

    He has heard that Hugo Boss provided a nattier line in uniforms than those grotty jungle greens.

  229. Bruce of Newcastle

    He is one of the clearer examples of prior art, in our trademark law, aka “evidence of actual use”

    Can we apply that to the Oz flag too? Union Jack and all that? It’d be fun if Her Maj presented Canberra pollies with a bill for two centuries worth of royalties.

  230. memoryvault

    The whole Aboriginal flag copyright business is a gigantic set up from start to finish. The alleged website of the “clothing company” that allegedly now owns the copyright, is an empty shell with nothing to sell. The only piece of clothing on sale by WAM Clothing is a tee shirt available from some Spotight stores. It is made in China.

    The truth of it all was buried deep in a story on the enforcement of the copyright on the AFL and others. The “company” was quoted as saying they were prepared to negotiate with the federal government to sell the copyright to them.

    Just another, albeit elaborate, example of Australian taxpayers being gouged to hand over yet more money in the name of preserving “Indigenous Culture”.

  231. John Constantine

    “But the extensive body of science on glyphosate-based herbicides over four decades supports the conclusion that Roundup does not cause non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma,” the statement said.

    “At the end of the day, whether you’re in the court of law, regulatory agencies or court of public opinion, it’s the science that should matter.”

    News of Mr Ogalirolo’s legal action follows a Victorian government decision to review its use of the product.

    Premier Daniel Andrews said reported dangers of glyphosate-based products coming out of the United States were a cause for concern.

    “Not just for our employees, but the greater Victorian community,” he told reporters.

    Opposition Leader Michael O’Brien said it wasn’t good enough for the Government just to review the safety of the product for their staff, and it needed to be a community-wide approach.

    Mr Andrews said any further bans, outside of government staff, would need to be part of a national process under consumer law.

  232. Black Ball

    On a totally unrelated topic to what I have discussed, flicked over to the correspondence pages of the Hun. Leigh Sales their in pictorial representation. Are the ABC offices around the country basking in their own flatulence on receiving Queen’s Birthday honours?

  233. Armadillo

    That is actually pretty funny Arma because FB claims to own all images posted there.

    This is where it gets bizarre. So Google Earth drives past my house, takes a photo and the pricks at FB claim they own the image? I’m feeling a bit violated. I didn’t give the fuckers permission to photograph my house, nor did I ask them fly a satellite over it taking “happy snaps”.

    These people are unbelievable.

  234. DrBeauGan

    Notafan
    #3040428, posted on June 11, 2019 at 7:53 pm
    Did they take your passport BG?

    Such a bore organising visas.

    I just go somewhere that doesn’t need one.

    No, Notafan, I had to fill in an interwebzy form and email it, together with scans of my passport and itinerary. And send them money, which mysteriously disappeared between my bank and the embassy. It would have been quite civilised apart from the vanishing money.

  235. Black Ball

    There FFS. Auto correct is a prick.

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