Tuesday Forum: June 11, 2019

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  1. Indolent

    I saw a headline in the Australian the other day about what Tony Abbott would be doing next. I don’t subscribe so I couldn’t read it and haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere else.

    Does anyone know what was said?

  2. Roberto

    Thanks for the link Top Ender.

    My sister printed and bound a copy of it for my birthday a few years ago.

  3. MatrixTransform

    for his right to say whatever it was he said without losing his job as a result.

    Izzy Folau offers Setka a VB and sausage in a roll

  4. thefrollickingmole

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jun/11/company-that-holds-aboriginal-flag-rights-part-owned-by-man-prosecuted-for-selling-fake-art

    Ok its popcorn time…

    A non-Indigenous company that holds worldwide exclusive rights to use the Aboriginal flag on clothing, and has issued infringement notices to the AFL and several Aboriginal companies that use it, is part-owned by a man who has previously been prosecuted by the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) for selling fake Aboriginal art.

    WAM Clothing has issued a series of “cease and desist” notices to several companies, including the AFL, which uses the flag on jerseys for the Indigenous round of matches.

    The AFL has confirmed it has been “in communication with WAM Clothing in relation to the use of the Aboriginal flag.”

    “These discussions are ongoing,” the AFL spokesperson says.

    WAM Clothing was granted the exclusive use of the Aboriginal flag on clothing by its designer and copyright holder, the Luritja artist Harold Thomas, in October 2018.

    In October 2018, at around the time WAM Clothing was granted exclusive licence to use the flag, the federal court found that Birubi Art had “made false or misleading representations that products it sold were made in Australia and hand-painted by Australian Aboriginal persons, in breach of the Australian consumer law”.

    From July 2015 to November 2017, the ACCC says, Birubi sold more than 18,000 boomerangs, bullroarers, didgeridoos and message stones to retail outlets around Australia, featuring designs “associated with Australian Aboriginal art” and words such as “Aboriginal Art”, “genuine” and “Australia”, but which were actually made in Indonesia.

  5. notafan

    I think Tony Abbott being a Warringah man will be on the Windmills for Warringah implementation team.

  6. Bruce of Newcastle

    The wymminses World Cup seems to have an equality and diversity issue.

    U.S. Women’s Soccer Sets 13-0 FIFA Record In First Game, Beating Thailand

    Such white privilege! Maybe FIFA should bring in Canadian rules for the ladies, where anyone 5 goals or more ahead lose the match.

  7. dover_beach

    Today in Leftism:

    Make Abortion Great Again.

    I will happily die on this hill fighting these ghouls.

  8. notafan

    Some people would call it a stunt for the cameras…

    only a little bit on fire

  9. I don’t like Setka but he is certainly right about St Rosie of Yarragrad.

  10. Boambee John

    DB

    I am amazed by the numbers of apparently well educated (or at least well credentialled) women who seem unaware of contraception.

  11. mh

    #IstandwithAussieJohnSetka

  12. stackja

    CFMMEU boss John Setka faces calls within labour movement to stand down

    Under pressure union boss John Setka will not step down claiming reports of comments he made about Rosie Batty are “outrageous lies”.
    ALEKS DEVIC, TOM MINEAR and JAMES DOWLING, Herald Sun
    Subscriber only
    |
    15 minutes ago

    Union boss John Setka will not step down from the CFMMEU claiming reports of comments he made about Rosie Batty are “outrageous lies”.

    Labor has started moves to expel him from the party over claims he said Rosie Batty’s work in campaigning against domestic violence had meant men had fewer rights.

    Flanked by his wife, Emma Walters, Mr Setka held a press conference this morning denying he made any comments “denigrating Rosie Batty” and her domestic violence campaign.

    He said he would not stand down from the union over the “outrageous lies peddled for political gain”.

    He said he had a responsibility to his members and saw no reason to resign.

    “I answer to my members and my members only,” he said.

    “I don’t intend to step down at all.”

    During his press conference today, Mr Setka said:

    On his role in the construction union and expulsion from the Labor Party: “I’ve been a member of the CFMMEU for over 35 years and have proudly led the union for the past six years.

    “And as long as I am elected leader, one thing won’t change – I’ll always put our members first.

    “There’s no reason for me to resign. I’m staying as the secretary.

    “I represent CFMMEU members, right? They employ me.

    “They’re my bosses. I’m elected to represent them.

    “If people want to expel me out of the Labor Party over false accusations and over things that I’ve never said, well, then, so be it.

    “I don’t answer to the ALP.”

  13. stackja

    notafan
    #3040817, posted on June 12, 2019 at 12:01 pm

    Ian Rintoul

  14. C.L.

    Union boss John Setka will not step down from the CFMMEU claiming reports of comments he made about Rosie Batty are “outrageous lies”.

    Until I see evidence to the contrary, I believe him.

  15. Geriatric Mayfly

    Images posted to social media by another refugee show the “highly depressed” man,

    I have a very good DSLR camera and not once has it ever picked up anything other than what you see.

  16. Dr Faustus

    Wind Farms for Warringah
    24,139 have signed.

    Dear Dorothy,

    I signed, but I live in Brisbane not Warringah and I now feel guilty about this deception.
    Should I write to Zali Steggall to let her know to ignore one of the signatures?

    Yours
    ‘Worried’

  17. Bruce of Newcastle

    CFMMEU boss John Setka faces calls within labour movement to stand down

    Multiple choice question.

    Did John Setka find:

    A. A horse’s head in his bed.
    B. A shovel outside his front door.
    C. A noose put over his head by two large Nigerian lads.
    D. A copy of The Age with his death notice circled in red in the classified section.

  18. thefrollickingmole

    I have a very good DSLR camera and not once has it ever picked up anything other than what you see.

    Well, thats just like… your opinion mannn…

    https://www.the-bag-lady.biz/aura-photography–soul-contract-reading.html

  19. MatrixTransform

    “I don’t answer to the ALP.”

    Dude … you aren’t IN the ALP

  20. Geriatric Mayfly

    With the graves of Manus Island yawning for custom and every day fraught with mortal danger, these despairing souls could only be better off back where they came from. How could those places be in any way worse? And we give you pocket money if you so decide.

  21. BrettW

    Setka well covered in the Oz today with : front page, editorial, complete Cut and Paste and a one page article.

    Heard his press conference. Wife clearly knows what is good for her as said she would never stay with him if he was abusive to women. Maybe she has not read the text messages. Nobody asked her why she was fleeing Melbourne to Adelaide a few hours after “Boxing” day. Nobody asked about the hypocrisy of him and his union being White Ribbon / anti DV. Or how about his 6 months paid leave ?

    Hadley in commenting on the press conference said the remaining charges relating to the multiple texts involved another woman. First I have heard of this.

    Seems Setka is narrowing it down as to who leaked his comments from the meeting.

    As others have commented it is all about Batty but not the 30 dropped charges.

    Not much confidence the thug union will remove him. Good luck to deputy head thug in removing him.

  22. Old School Conservative

    Oh for the days of Alan McGilvray and synthetic cricket broadcasts.

    “On the day before the ICCWC started, the Indian callers manager rang up to say they had Visa problems and couldn’t get into the UK so they would be calling from a studio in in India. Despite this, Sydney still went ahead with the broadcast.

    Now Bruce Eva and a few commentators that we have on staff are calling the game of a TV set in Melbourne using sometimes fake sound effects or the Foxtel audio”
    (h/t Michael Smith)

  23. Bill Thompson

    I was in Court 3 in the Melbourne Supreme Court this morning for Corey Herrmann’s case. I was surprised at the relatively small number of journos who attended but when the ABC TV News report came on at noon, maybe I found an explanation – their lead story was about a packed media conference this morning featuring John Setka & his estranged wife… gotta get your priorities right. By 12:25 there’s still been no mention of Corey’s appearance.

    https://youtu.be/_uQeMR9h8N0

  24. Mother Lode

    Loving the “where’s Rowe?”

    He is out there, somewhere, nailing it.

  25. Geriatric Mayfly

    It aids self-awareness and gives a deeper insight into yourself. Everything from physical health to mental, emotional and spiritual states show throughout the colors of the aura.

    Thanks all the same Mole, but I will forgo the expense. I never look at myself in the mirror first thing in the morning, because I am certain an unwelcome image would bounce back.

  26. Mother Lode

    San Francisco hotter than Vegas as it shatters high temp record amid extreme heat wave

    Eeeew!

    With all that garbage and shit in the street. A heavy rank smell would be everywhere.

    And everything would be dripping with infectious filth you would feel nervous about touching anything in public.

    2019 – The Summer of Glove.

  27. thefrollickingmole

    Geriatric Mayfly

    I am a little disappointed none of the colors are marked “Nucking Futs”.

    There is a 100% correlation between people who use that service and people who buy this magazine…

    https://nexusmagazine.com/?v=6cc98ba2045f

    In this edition:
    5G phone system is going to kill us all
    Iodine stops breast cancer.
    Gravity researcher disappears-knew too much?
    Spontaneous human combustion

    Wonderful stuff for the addle pated in your life.

  28. Roberto

    Mother Lode

    With all that garbage and shit in the street. A heavy rank smell would be everywhere.
    And everything would be dripping with infectious filth you would feel nervous about touching anything in public.
    2019 – The Summer of Glove.

    It’ll be having its own Great Stink

  29. Mother Lode

    It’ll be having its own Great Stink

    All the people there will go enstinked.

  30. Bruce of Newcastle

    It’ll be having its own Great Stink

    Joseph Bazalgette:

    Bazalgette’s work ensured that sewage was no longer dumped onto the shores of the Thames and brought an end to the cholera outbreaks; his actions are thought to have saved more lives than the efforts of any other Victorian official. His sewer system operates into the 21st century, servicing a city that has grown to a population of over eight million.

    Respect.

  31. Top Ender

    Great article by Janet A:

    The speech censors given a free media pass
    JANET ALBRECHTSEN

    Orwell’s Nineteen Eighty-Four has been described as a handbook for difficult times. In a week that marks its publication 70 years ago, please open the handbook for some guidance, for these are difficult times.

    Last week Australian Federal Police officers rifled through the home of a News Corp journalist and the offices of ABC journalists. Nothing flashy, no brown-shirted stormtroopers kicking in doors. Just a team of polite civil servants, ordering sandwiches and coffee while they rummaged through homes and workplaces, armed with slippery words in laws to justify them infringing our freedoms.

    Outraged journalists said it was chilling. Alas, many of these same journalists have not been doing their job if they haven’t noticed this is how free speech is silenced today. In the past decade a growing cadre of civil servants, from human rights commissioners to university vice-chancellors, all good-mannered, nicely dressed people, have used crafty words in laws and other instruments to curb our most fundamental right to speak freely.

    Many of the same journalists who, last week, held up signs for the cameras saying that it is not a crime to be a journalist have not raised so much as an eyebrow about other dismally illiberal events. That makes them complicit in a stifling culture that gave rise to last week’s AFP raids. After all, a free press is only one part of our basic right to speak freely. If you don’t defend the latter, expect to lose the former soon enough.

    Orwell warned us to watch out for Newspeak, Thought Police and the Ministry of Truth; their common denominator is slippery language to control speech in order to control how people think. So it came to pass. More than 10 years ago, the Alberta Human Rights Commission in Canada investigated a complaint brought against commentator Ezra Levant for publishing the Danish cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed. The complaint was dropped, but not before a bureaucrat questioned Levant about his intention in publishing the cartoons.

    Levant described it like this: “No six-foot brown shirt here, no police cell at midnight. Just Shirlene McGovern, an amiable enough bureaucrat, casually asking me about my political thoughts, on behalf of the government of Alberta. And she’ll write up a report about it and recommend that the government do this or that to me.

    “I had half-expected a combative, missionary-style interrogator. I found, instead, a limp clerk who was just punching the clock … In a way, that’s more terrifying,” he wrote about a process that reminded him of Hannah Arendt’s banality of evil.

    While a handful of journalists in Australia recognised the early danger signs, many of those outraged by last week’s AFP raids showed little interest. Even when the same thing happened here a few years later, they fell silent.

    In 2011, Andrew Bolt was prosecuted under section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act for causing offence by pointing out the foibles of claiming indigenous ancestry. In passing, the judge frowned over the tone of his writing. The Australian Human Rights Commission used the same laws to investigate The Australian’s Bill Leak in 2016 for his powerful cartoon about the complex issues of individual responsibility and the dismal plight of indigenous children. Liberal MP Julian Leeser once said of the UN Human Rights Council: “We read Orwell as a warning; they read Orwell as a textbook.” His observation applies equally to the AHRC: as race commissioner, Tim Soutphommasane encouraged com­plain­ants to come forward over Leak’s cartoon.

    The AHRC toyed with students from Queensland University of Technology too after they made innocuous comments on Facebook when they were kicked out of an indigenous-only computer lab. One student wrote: “QUT stopping segregation with segregation.” What part of that was untrue? Yet it took two years of complaints, investigations, interviews and mounting legal bills before the complaint was thrown out. And the chilling effect of those laws remains intact.

    Some of us have reported extensively on the creeping, and creepy, mission of the AHRC. It needs to be renamed; its name is an insult to genuine human rights. And these dismal events need to be laid out, over and over again, until we defeat an illiberal culture that is strangling freedom of expression, the single most important piece of machinery that drives a robust marketplace of ideas. It is the centrifugal force of Western progress.

    Last year, physics professor Peter Ridd was sacked by James Cook University for raising questions about the quality of climate research by some of his colleagues. The university used a code of conduct and claims of “uncollegial behaviour” to get him off campus. ABC HQ showed no interest in asking why the university didn’t encourage a debate about Ridd’s claims or even why it shut him down.

    During the federal election, the ABC’s senior journalists showed no interest when Greens leader Richard Di Natale said he wanted hate speech laws to regulate the media to hold the likes of Bolt, Alan Jones and Chris Kenny to account. This proposal would kill a free, independent media in Australia. Hate speech, as defined by the likes of Di Natale, will be defined by the media they hate. Orwell warned us about this, too. The ABC gave Di Natale a free pass.

    There was no ABC outrage, only nonchalance, when the Gillard government proposed an Orwellian regime of government oversight to make the media “balanced” and “accountable”. As James Paterson, now a Liberal senator, wrote then: “The last time that media outlets were subject to press licensing in the English-speaking world was 1693. What was too tyrannical for the English in the time of William and Mary is apparently acceptable in 21st-century Australia.”

    Note the manipulation of subjective language to curb free speech: the AFP relies on “national security” to search a journalist’s underwear drawer, the Gillard government wanted to legislate for a “balanced” and “accountable” media, 18C prohibits people saying things that “offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate”, the Greens want to outlaw “hate speech”, and a university relied on “uncollegial behaviour”.

    It is critical that we constantly check where society, governments and bureaucracies draw lines to restrict free speech. Journalists want buffer zones around themselves to protect a free press. Fair enough. But where the heck have they been when it comes to defending the rights of other Australians to speak freely?

    High-profile hosts at the ABC paid by taxpayers to report and comment on this country should have been at the frontline, championing our rights to speak, to draw and to debate freely. As Canadian commentator Mark Steyn famously said about free speech, it is not a left-right thing. It is a free-unfree thing. And therein lies the curse of the modern left: a pusillanimous attitude towards a core piece of intellectual machinery necessary in a healthy democracy.

    Link

  32. thefrollickingmole

    What is it with government and the endless assaults on privacy?
    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jun/12/perth-councils-facial-recognition-trial-accused-of-blanket-surveillance

    Why do they “NEED” to track you 24/7?

    And more importantly why arent all these cameras being vandalized and destroyed instead of ignored?

    The council confirmed that authorities would not be required to provide any kind of warrant when asking for the facial recognition capabilities to be switched on, only to provide an image or series of images of a person of interest.

    ..

  33. max

    A couple of very large fronts moving in there.

    The follow up from the rear is developing nicely as well.

  34. And more importantly why arent all these cameras being vandalized and destroyed instead of ignored?

    I can’t be everywhere.

  35. DrBeauGan

    My cuban visa didn’t arrive today, after allegedly being posted Friday. This has cost me about $600 already. I am beginning to understand why Cuba is a third world country.

    Or it may be our postal service. Which is why we shall shortly be a third world country. I reckon we’re about 2.5 atm.

  36. Top Ender

    A battle over whether an outback store’s arrangement to hold customers’ debit cards and PIN numbers was “unconscionable” has come to an end, with the High Court rejecting ASIC’s arguments eight years after the family involved detailed their “book up” system in an interview.

    The High Court today ruled store owner Lindsay Kobelt did not engage in unconscionable conduct, after his son, Tim Kobelt, detailed the “book up” system used at the store in Mintabie, in South Australia’s remote Anangu Pitjantjatjara Yankunytjatjara lands, to The Australian in September 2011.

    Oz link

  37. Shy Ted

    The World Today (ABC noon) banging on about truth in the media with a hint of “it’s them you can’t trust, the ABC you can”. Following story – flying taxis coming to Melbourne. Though they did suggest there were one or two hurdles – where they take off and land, battery powered so need to recharge after each trip, what they look like (not invented yet), silent except for the propeller noise and the screams of the passengers. ABC. Without buyers or genders.

  38. None

    so Rugby League hates Izzy quoting the bible but are advertising a super cheap Bible round? What?

  39. Top Ender

    Flying cars; Uber helicopter, sure yes nah!

    Rather like 50% of new vehicles will be electric by 2030.

    Without a plan for a national highway of charging stations.

    Or a few new power stations to provide the electrickery.

  40. Shy Ted

    New word for the Catictionary – Battycide. To commit Battycide one merely has to be honest about an AOTY and AO. Not usually fatal but a career ending condition, which, if you’re in the spotlight, is much the same thing.

  41. thefrollickingmole

    Top Ender

    Just in passing and related, rental businessess are being ruined by the tender barbed cock of Satan (government) and some of the big boys are folding under the “You will be treated like a bank even though your customers are often going to run out on you, oh and courts wont enforce contracts” legislation which sunk my business.

    Radio Rentals closing all stores in South Australia
    South Australian retailer Radio Rentals will close its 12 bricks-and-mortar stores and e-commerce site over the next two months due to difficult trading conditions.

    Fortunately there are still loan sharks and crime to fall back on instead.

    The South Oz business is separate from the main Radio Rentals, but ASIC will do their best to punish anyone providing credit whos not a bank.
    https://asic.gov.au/about-asic/news-centre/find-a-media-release/2018-releases/18-139mr-asic-action-results-in-2-million-penalty-for-thorn-s-radio-rentals-handed-down-by-the-federal-court-today/
    18-139MR ASIC action results in $2 million penalty for Thorn’s Radio Rentals handed down by the Federal Court today
    The Federal Court of Australia today ordered a $2 million penalty against Thorn Australia Pty Ltd’s (Thorn’s) Radio Rentals for contravening its responsible lending obligations.

    In handing down the penalty, the Court found that Thorn failed to make the necessary inquiries and take steps to verify the financial situation of its customers, and failed to conduct a proper assessment of the suitability of the leases it provided.

    Their ABC approves.
    Retail giant Radio Rentals has agreed to refund nearly $20 million to customers tied up in leases they can’t afford to pay.

    Deliberately lie to a supplier, “over-commit” (ie: never intend to pay), and you will be rewarded in Failstralia.

    Single mum Abbi took out a lease with Radio Rentals for a lounge, a bedroom suite and an X-Box last year.

    She said she was now struggling to pay $108 a fortnight in repayments.

    Abbi said she ordered the goods online and was only asked for her Centrelink details and her home-rental agreement. The goods were delivered the next day.

    “It was only when everything was delivered I realised how much I was going to have to pay,” she said.

    Under the lease, she’s due to pay about $10,000 for $3,000 worth of goods. She has now engaged lawyers to help her break the contract.

    Sobbing single mums is our strength, Comrades.

  42. johanna

    Just catching up on TheirABC online, and in a story about the oft-promised new Wilcannia weir, we get this:

    Once a booming river port town, in 2016 Wilcannia recorded an unemployment rate almost double the national average.

    The town still suffers from the intergenerational effects of colonisation and racism, but is recovering from its historically negative portrayal.

    Not a single piece of data supports this assertion of opinion. Not a fact in sight. It is just the received truth in the corridors of TheirABC.

    The story itself is worthy of reporting – that the weir is oft promised but never delivered – but the editorialising reminds us of how utterly degraded standards are there.

  43. Shortening :

    People who appear to have form, but quickly melt when heat is applied.

  44. thefrollickingmole

    How is it going…

    Thorn’s Radio Rentals was fined $2 million earlier this year for failing to meet its lending obligations following an investigation by the Australian Securities and Investments Commission. The company subsequently agreed to refund customers $13.8 million.

    The company reported an after-tax loss of $3.6 million for the 2018 financial year following a goodwill impairment of $20.7 million. The result was down from $25.3 million after-tax profit the year before. Revenue was down 15 percent to $236 million from $277.6 million.

  45. Old School Conservative

    “A silly little man making silly decisions”.
    Amanda Elliott, VRC Chair, referring to NSW Racing’s Peter V’landys.
    Deafening silence from all the usual suspects.

    Now imagine a hypothetical situation in which a man (let’s call him John Setka) uses the same phrase to describe a woman (lets call her for the sake of argument Rosie Batty).
    A roar of disapproval followed by a case of Battycide. Thanks Shy Ted.

  46. Gab

    Not a single piece of data supports this assertion of opinion.

    Feelings trump facts and evidence.

  47. Bruce of Newcastle

    with the High Court rejecting ASIC’s arguments eight years after the family involved detailed their “book up” system in an interview.

    Eight years of persecution of a small business by Big Abo Inc.
    More of the same today, this time by Big Tranny Inc.

    Colorado Christian cakeshop sued a third time for discrimination

    The owner of Masterpiece Cakeshop — which won a case before the U.S. Supreme Court recently — was sued for a third time this week.

    Jack Phillips, the Lakewood, Colo. bakery owner who has refused to bake cakes that violate his Christian faith, is being sued again by Autumn Scardina, a transgender woman, for refusing to bake a gender transition cake.

    Scardina claims it is textbook LGBT discrimination. But Phillips said she is rehashing old claims that hold no merit.

    These people are living examples of lefty cruelty.

  48. thefrollickingmole

    SBS trumpets another victory over a business dealing with scalies as its bread and butter.
    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/thorn-confirms-radio-rentals-class-action
    Thorn Group says a $50 million class action involving past lending practices of its subsidiary Radio Rentals could drag on for years.

    Maurice Blackburn Lawyers announced the action against Radio Rentals on Wednesday on behalf of customer and lead plaintiff Casey Simpson

  49. areff

    Ms Bunn’s large fronts fail to excite — can anything in these jaded days? — because they’re no better than notional. I mean BoM told us days ago that winter will be warm and dry, as you’d expect in this era of dangerous climate change. I mean, the Age reported it, so it must be true. Right?

    …the Bureau of Meteorology is expecting this winter to be drier and warmer than usual.

    In its outlook for winter – which officially begins on June 1 – the bureau said the unusual warmth of the past autumn, which it called one of the five warmest on record nationwide, is expected to carry through the next three months.

    Ms Bunn’s problems is that she isn’t ona climate-grant list. Were that the case, I’d be outside catching a few “drier and warmer” rays.

  50. Bruce of Newcastle

    I’ll correct myself as I read ASIC as ATSIC. Sorry. Which means it was only the dead hand of Canberra persecuting the poor shopkeeper for eight years.

  51. calli

    Bazalgette, Roebeling and Brunel are in my hall of heroes.

  52. johanna

    The haters are going to persecute the cakeshop owners for ever and ever, despite the Supreme Court of the United States. That’s real hate for you.

    Meanwhile, in Washington State, a florist is going through the same torture. They didn’t want to create floral arrangements for a gay wedding, for religious reasons. A normal person would just find another florist, of which there are thousands in the State. Funnily enough, these activists instead took them to court. After a few flip-flops, the Supreme Court of Washington, which makes California’s Ninth look like a bunch of rawboned capitalist stooges, decided that the hapless florists were in the wrong.

    It is now headed to SCOTUS.

  53. Rebel with cause

    ABC manages to do an entire story about the human tragedy of Venezuela without managing to use the ‘s’ word once.

    This is as close as it gets:

    Charismatic, populist President Hugo Chavez was adored by the poor for his community support programs, free healthcare and education and generally subsidised living.

    But with it came deep corruption and nepotism.

    Skilled managers of public utilities and the oil business were replaced with cronies, mismanagement set in, maintenance was not done, and when the oil price crashed in 2014, Venezuela’s currency came crashing down with it.

    When Mr Chavez died and was replaced by his anointed successor Nicolas Maduro, he inherited a basket case and failed to manage the crisis.

    Suddenly a formerly wealthy country was in freefall.

  54. calli

    Back from the Arctic Circle.

    The boreal forest gives way to patches of tundra, the mountains still show traces of snow, and the sun does not set. Below us, the pipeline snakes its way north/south, and tiny settlements peep out among the trees.

    We land and meet a “homesteader”. He lives completely off-grid. He hunts, grows veggies in the short summer, sells pelts. As does his wife. His knowledge is broad and deep, and I suspect he is far, far smarter than he appears.

    We travel up the Dalton Highway, made famous by Ice Road Truckers. People here are different. Very different.

    If any Cats get the opportunity – do it. Even if, like the Beloved, you get airsick. The thermals were pretty brutal, but I love the rattle and roll. Others, not so much.

  55. JC

    Heard a conversation between a few Americans while on a ferry travelling from Capri to the mainland.

    A couple of dudes were telling an American gal they were on their honeymoon, having been married a few weeks ago in the US. The gal gave out one of those exaggerated, phoney exclamations about how wonderful and normal it all was. The exaggerated tone gave it all away.

  56. memoryvault

    Meanwhile, in Washington State, a florist is going through the same torture.

    Good afternoon Johanna.
    Yes, that situation in the United States is a bit sad. Aren’t you glad you live in a country where such persecution on religious grounds could never, ever possibly happen.

    Especially not under a Liberal government.

  57. JC

    Artie

    He’s dressed like a plantation owner from before the civil war and she’s like his slave.

  58. calli

    Ms Bunn’s large fronts fail to excite

    Never been fond of Chelsea.

    Boston are far nicer.

  59. calli

    Thomas and Sally redux?

  60. Arky

    We land and meet a “homesteader”. He lives completely off-grid. He hunts, grows veggies in the short summer, sells pelts.

    ..
    Was it Dot?

  61. JC

    Oberlin college was on the receiving end of a good old fashioned porking. There’s real risk now that SJW behaviour can have a cost attached . Let’s hope the punitive damages are even more painful.

    Search Oberlin college trial

  62. P

    NATIONAL AFFAIRS
    Cardinal Pell’s appeal, June 5-6, 2019: An account from the live streaming
    by Terri M. Kelleher
    News Weekly, June 15, 2019

  63. Steve trickler

    “To be human…is hard at times” – Kolya

    Meet Kolya.

    He’s worthy of a bookmark. 18 minutes in length.



  64. calli

    Oh, and we missed Erebus.

    It had fled south for the winter.

  65. Leigh Lowe

    JC

    #3040906, posted on June 12, 2019 at 2:49 pm

    Oberlin college was on the receiving end of a good old fashioned porking. There’s real risk now that SJW behaviour can have a cost attached . Let’s hope the punitive damages are even more painful.

    Search Oberlin college trial

    Potted version.
    Family bakery business for 3-4 generations.
    Three black students caught shoplifting wine and challenged by one of the family.
    The students assaulted the shop owner and left.
    Oberlin college orchestrated a boycott of the bakery because racism.
    Bakery sues.
    Students admit to theft.
    Oberlin College doesn’t back off.
    Bakery family awarded $11 meg with punitive damages to come.
    The day after the verdict Oberlin bags the jury in a statement.
    It now looks like the punitive damages will be the “full double” … another $22 meg on top.

  66. mh

    A couple of very large fronts moving in there.

    The follow up from the rear is developing nicely as well.

    Phrasing

  67. calli

    As one commentator says, “the demand for racist stories exceeds supply”.

    Prepare for many…many more Oberlins.

  68. Arky
    #3040905, posted on June 12, 2019 at 2:47 pm

    We land and meet a “homesteader”. He lives completely off-grid. He hunts, grows veggies in the short summer, sells pelts.

    ..
    Was it Dot?

    No, I have a shrine to Ted Nugent and a collection of my own piss in the fridge so that wizard Eric Clapton cannot steal it.

  69. Why do they “NEED” to track you 24/7?

    Don’t say our friends at Nexus magazine didn’t warn “us” normies.

  70. notafan

    Oberlin trying to make it a free speech issue but it was more than that

    The student Senate passed a resolution calling for the school to end its business relationship with the bakery, and the resolution was posted in a prominent campus building for at least one year, according to court records. For a little over two months, the college suspended its business dealings with the bakery.

    they caused financial harm based on a lie

  71. Harold Thomas refuses to grant corporations his IP rights.

    Except ATSI QANGOS.

    He’s just a government loving, commie rustedon.

  72. areff

    The follow up from the rear is developing nicely as well.

    The only rear I’m seeing belongs to the cat, who is determined to get between me and the weany office heater. If only puss could read, she’d know its its “warmer and drier” outside, perfect mousing weather, and that the rain cascading down the office window and the howling wind are nothing but a deniers’ delusion.

    Silly cat.

  73. johanna

    We travel up the Dalton Highway, made famous by Ice Road Truckers. People here are different. Very different.

    calli, that is ultra cool.

    I love Ice Road Truckers. Fancy traversing the Dalton Highway! Lucky you.

    I’m guessing that the people who live there are not looking to windmills and solar panels to keep them alive.

  74. IT that Chuck James has quite good tweet game.

    Chuck James
    ‏ @CharlesEJamesJr

    Fascinating case: Lawyers for freed Navy SEAL want war crime case dismissed after prosecutors embed tracking code in documents sent to defense counsel and a reporter.

    3:51 AM – 31 May 2019

  75. He’s dressed like a plantation owner from before the civil war and she’s like his slave.

    No no, he’s dressed up like a trust busting era judge with his octaroon wife he bought off a whorehouse, ala Pretty Baby.

  76. calli

    Curiously, solar panels are used effectively in the arctic. Long, light filled days allow efficient loading of batteries and cheap power in contrast with the expense of gensets.

    It’s the winters that are hard. No light to be “harvested”, fuel turns soupy in the big freeze (gensets need to be insulated) batteries pumped up with a few hours of running. They use wood burners for heating, but the wood isn’t good for hot burning. He grinned and told the Beloved he’d love a shipment of ironbark.

  77. calli

    The Beloved loves Swamp People too, Joh. You two would get on like a house on fire. 😀

  78. JC

    It’s the winters that are hard.

    A little global warming would help the buggers out. Personally, I’d prefer San Diego temp. 🙂

  79. calli

    Good grief, that sounded horrid. 😳

    You know what I meant. He loves stories about people who go the road less travelled. Especially the ones who have flipped the bird to government and are going it alone.

  80. calli

    Last winter was excruciatingly cold, he said. (Odd that it was the “hottest ye-ah evah”).

    Many moose and carribou perished, particularly the young. The worst he’d seen.

  81. calli

    The ABC seems strangely incurious about motive.

    Why, oh why would this gentleman want to commit this type of crime?

    It’s a Mystery.

  82. Mother Lode

    It’s the winters that are hard. No light to be “harvested”

    That is just denier thinking.

    Feelz trump fyzics

    You just have to really believe!

  83. lotocoti

    SMOD, Gozer the Gozerian.
    Either, both, just do it already.

  84. jupes

    Heard a conversation between a few Americans while on a ferry travelling from Capri to the mainland.

    JC, are you staying on the mainland or just a day trip?

  85. John Constantine

    The planetary health diet offers a good blueprint for gaining enough protein from a variety of other animal sources.

    It recommends eating, on average:

    25g of chicken per day
    28g of fish per day day
    1.5 eggs per week
    200g of milk per day day
    50g of cheese per day

    In addition to the 14g of red meat in the planetary health diet, these foods would provide a total of 45g of protein per day, which is about 80 per cent of our daily protein needs from animal sources.

    The remaining protein required (11g) is easily met with plant foods, including nuts, legumes, beans and wholegrains.

    Their abc lecture from their billion dollar bully pulpit that fourteen grams a day of red meat should be our ration.

    The smaller and more feeble the proles become, the tighter and deeper they can be stacked into public transport and high rise sardine can apartment developments.

    Plus, like in medieval times, malnourished peasants can be mowed down by the dozen by the well fed elites of the Death Squads.

    Comrades.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-12/how-to-get-nutrients-you-need-without-eating-as-much-red-meat/11201938

  86. If you want a good laugh, look at the whining about Jon Stewart testifying before Congress.

    “Cocaine Mitch is a c**t because he won’t gib me gibs”

    “Our government is a dumpster fire, anyone who has lived in NYC knows Jon Stewart is right!”

    LOL

  87. Old School Conservative

    From calli’s link:
    Mr Waugh also allegedly told police he had purchased the one-metre-long scimitar in Pakistan.

    How did he get it into Australia?
    But more importantly, “Waugh, Waugh, what is it good for?”

  88. Old School Conservative

    italic fail.
    Shame there is no editing here to make it appear I know what I’m doing.

  89. JC

    Jupes

    We flew down to Sicily a few days ago. We’re in a resort in Cefalù at the moment. I’m using the pool for a swim as the med is fucking freezing.

  90. thefrollickingmole

    Infidel Tiger
    #3040897, posted on June 12, 2019 at 2:39 pm
    My God.

    Democrats just elected this guy:

    https://twitter.com/CharlesEJamesJr/status/1138603185252311041

    Yup, perfect rep for the Dems moving the train to the next perversion station on the degenerate track, kiddy “love means love”..

  91. Tintarella di Luna

    Haven’t been here much so don’t know if this has been posted previously – Australian Labor Party Robotics

  92. Leigh Lowe

    JC

    #3040948, posted on June 12, 2019 at 4:02 pm

    Jupes

    We flew down to Sicily a few days ago. We’re in a resort in Cefalù at the moment. 

    We are headed there soon.
    Interested to hear your favourite spots.

  93. Dr Faustus

    Nobody’s Girl rips Setka a new one:

    “Mr Setka should have a long, hard look at himself in the mirror and consider his position within the union movement,” Senator Keneally said.

    “While I cannot control what Mr Setka does in terms of his union position, he would be doing himself and the wider union movement a favour if he were to stand down from his current role in that union.”

    Ice cold.

  94. C.L.

    How’s your Italian in situ, JC?

  95. DrBeauGan

    I got a tracking number for my visa out of the consulate. It’s currently in nsw.

    The problem was caused by Australia post having a holiday on Monday.

  96. Goddamn Bill Burr.

    NSFW.

    “I can make fiiive grand in twenny minut….NO MORE!

  97. Leigh Lowe

    Oberlin trying to make it a free speech issue but it was more than that

    The student Senate passed a resolution calling for the school to end its business relationship with the bakery, and the resolution was posted in a prominent campus building for at least one year, according to court records. For a little over two months, the college suspended its business dealings with the bakery.

    They have lied in court that it was a “grass roots student campaign”, when it was totally engineered and incited by academics.
    The most disgraceful thing of all was Oberlin’s lawyers dismissively telling the court that the business “was only worth $35,000”.
    In other words, “they are little people, white trash, and even if we have to pay something, it should only be loose change”.

  98. JC

    It’s good Cl. Quite passable and I can carry on a low level conversation. I’m not going to win a word quiz though. Human brains are always learning as I’ve found I get better at it each day. They ask we’re I’m from as they can pick it a ways off.

    Wifey’s banned from even saying grazie as it grates on the ears.

  99. zyconoclast

    Kentucky Approves Bill to Make ‘Doxing’ Illegal After Covington Student’s Online Backlash

    Three Democrats voted against the bill, citing concerns it would violate freedom of speech.

  100. DrBeauGan

    I may have been unfair to the Cuban embassy. Certainly they have been courteous in answering my emails, and they handled the postal order payment promptly.

    If NAB stuffed up the transfer we shall know it’s Oz which is the third world country.

  101. zyconoclast

    The city of Montreal has announced initiatives making it easier and safer for immigrants to access its services and lead safer lives.

    On Wednesday, the city unveiled its policy for access to municipal services without fear. It also introduced an intervention and protection unit devoted to helping immigrants in unsafe situations, including helping them navigate the legal system.

  102. Eyrie

    Calli, pick me! pick me! I know!
    He’s a convert to the RoP?

  103. zyconoclast

    Includes 1 minute video

    Never Trump, economic libertarian columnist George Will says the United States needs “as much immigration as the economy can take” to supply corporations with a never-ending flow of foreign workers and provide jobs to willing foreign nationals, no matter the cost to America’s working and middle class.
    During an interview with Hill.TV, Will doubled down on his support for electing any of the multiple Democrats running for president against President Trump and said he wants as much immigration as the U.S. economy can handle.

    Will said:

    I believe immigration is an inherently entrepreneurial act. It’s people uprooting themselves, taking a risk for themselves and their families. I think a country where the baby boomers are retiring, where we have an aging workforce, where we have seven million unfilled jobs at the moment, and we have people clamoring to get into our country and get to work, I’m for as much immigration as the economy can take and the economy needs immigration just as much as the immigrants need the American economy.

  104. My cuban visa didn’t arrive today, after allegedly being posted Friday. This has cost me about $600 already. I am beginning to understand why Cuba is a third world country.

  105. My cuban visa didn’t arrive today, after allegedly being posted Friday. This has cost me about $600 already. I am beginning to understand why Cuba is a third world country.

    You ignored my perfectly reasonable advice.

  106. stackja

    CFMMEU boss John Setka faces calls within labour movement to stand down

    Another powerful voice has joined the push for John Setka to step down from his union role, with United Voice issuing a statement over the CFMMEU boss’s alleged comments about domestic violence campaigner Rosie Batty.
    ALEKS DEVIC, TOM MINEAR and JAMES DOWLING, Herald Sun
    Subscriber only

    30 minutes ago

    The United Voice union, which represents over 120,000 members, also said today if allegations against Mr Setka were true, he must stand down.

    In a statement signed by its national executives, it said it had serious concerns with Mr Setka’s reported comments that Rosie Batty’s domestic violence advocacy had eroded men’s rights.

    “We wish to state clearly that they do not reflect the values of the trade union movement.”

  107. Huck

    Fuck me, the spastic herding Numberwang still can’t get its feeble brain around block quotes.
    Every day its first post is a block quote fail.
    Can’t remember who it was, but someone recently put forward a theory that the Numberwang Sideshow Bob is, in fact, retarded.
    Fact check – true.

  108. feelthebern

    JC, never swim in resort pools.
    You’ll be swimming in piss & HPV.

  109. With the graves of Manus Island yawning for custom and every day fraught with mortal danger, these despairing souls could only be better off back where they came from. How could those places be in any way worse? And we give you pocket money if you so decide.

    If only it were as simple as that.

  110. bespoke

    dover_beach
    #3040637, posted on June 12, 2019 at 8:12 am
    A Sydney woman has asked the Family Court of Australia to order the destruction of 12 embryos — even though she has no genetic link to them — in a case against her ex-wife believed to be a first under Australian law.

    The entire article and the examples it provides demonstrates that IVF must be banned. It involves nothing less than the commodification of children.

    If you going to ban every thing when a few abuse the system then start walking and no a an embryo is not a baby.

  111. feelthebern

    If NAB stuffed up the transfer we shall know it’s Oz which is the third world country.

    Why would you use a bank for fx?
    There are a dozen fx providers out there that would do it at a fraction of the rip.

  112. zyconoclast

    Not a parody

    BOOM:

    Today, Botswana decriminalized homosexuality

    President Trump’s global push to decriminalize homosexuality is achieving results across the world

    Will CNN & MSNBC give his administration any credit for this monumental achievement?

  113. bespoke

    Numberwang gets excited and clicks post before commenting again, Sad!

  114. feelthebern

    This Setka & McManus situation will be good viewing.
    When an immovable object meets an unstoppable force.

  115. Knuckle Dragger

    Oh, good one Beaugy.

    The Wang’s awake now.

    *slow clap*

  116. Leigh Lowe

    1735099

    #3040976, posted on June 12, 2019 at 4:54 pm

    My cuban visa didn’t arrive today, after allegedly being posted Friday. This has cost me about $600 already. I am beginning to understand why Cuba is a third world country.

    I agree.

  117. JC

    Bern

    I thought these days pools have that chemical that goes blue around the fucker who’s had a leak. No?
    The Med is freaking cold.

  118. Eyrie

    If you are relying on Australia Post and ordinary mail you’ll be doing well to get anything in under a week.

  119. Mark A

    DrBeauGan
    #3040969, posted on June 12, 2019 at 4:44 pm

    I may have been unfair to the Cuban embassy. Certainly they have been courteous in answering my emails, and they handled the postal order payment promptly.

    If NAB stuffed up the transfer we shall know it’s Oz which is the third world country.

    Dr, could it be that numbers is right and so few people getting their visas this way, thqt the embassy staff is unfamiliar with the procedure?

    Just a thought, or the 50 was an insult, try 100 next time.

  120. Megan

     
    We are headed there soon.
    Interested to hear your favourite spots.

    We did a two week driving trip along the Western end of Sicily in March. The Greek Temple and amphitheatre at Segesta is stunning, Maria Grammatico’s pastry shop in Erice is a must, the Turkish Steps are amazing and Enna is the highest village in Europe at 1000 metres. Enna has the remains of the 10th century castle of Federico II.
    From previous trips : The Aeolian Islands, particularly Stromboli, are beautiful, Syracuse and Noto, Cefalu, the Madonie Mountains National Park, Etna (if it’s not making an exhibition of itself) and the Villa Romana de Casale for its utterly mind blowing mosaics, are all highlights of Sicily. Everyone wants to go to Taormina these days…we spent a week there on our honeymoon many decades ago and it was utterly breathtaking. Sadly, celebrity and overdone tourism have not done it any favours.
    I’ve watched Sicily, over many visits to the SP’s family, move into the modern era. It is now much more tourist friendly but in some places (Agrigento, I’m looking at you) you can still struggle to find a shop open between 1pm and 5pm and that includes places to eat.
    That said, Sicily is one of my favourite destinations since it is a part of my children’s genetic makeup and it blows my mind that their history goes back to the Neolithic era. Sicilian food is totally different to the rest of Italy, better by a mile, in my experience.

  121. Bruce of Newcastle

    If only it were as simple as that.

    They were offered resettlement in Cambodia and refused.
    They were offered resettlement in the US and refused.
    Or at least some of them did.
    The ones left on Manus may have failed security checks, which means they were rejected. If they were rejected by Cambodia and rejected by the US then they sure aren’t acceptable here.
    On top of it all PNG has in the past offered them settlement on Manus.

  122. JC

    Doc

    If you want to meet Cubans, go to Miami. It’s Cuba without the commie hassles.

  123. feelthebern

    JC, an ice cold dip is good for you.
    Swimming in a resort pool is like taking a bath with 20 strangers…you just wouldn’t do it.
    Resort pools are only one step up from pools on a cruise ship.

  124. MatrixTransform

    Fact check – true.

    Master of
    – Wang Chun
    – Reiki

  125. Leigh Lowe

    Thanks Megan.
    Booked flights this morning and took out insurance.
    The insurance questionnaire asked “Do you want extra coverage for delayed or lost luggage?”
    Why, yes.
    Yes I do.

  126. feelthebern

    If a lady swims in a pool on a cruise ship there is a 48% chance she will get pregnant.
    True story.

  127. feelthebern

    Don’t you get free insurance from your credit card LL?

  128. Bruce in WA

    This is interesting. Sweden is, in effect, suggesting its citizens become preppers (of sorts). They have issued a booklet to every citizen to give direction in the case of terrorism, natural disaster, IT attack or even outright war. Maybe they know something we haven’t yet grasped?

    https://bit.ly/318U6Bx

    (Slow to load but appears legit.)

  129. Mother Lode

    I assume, zyco, that when they refer to ‘immigrants’ they mean ‘illegal immigrants’, since regular immigrants would have had rights and access to services equal to natural born citizens already.

    Just be careful not to mention the ‘illegal’ bit.

  130. Megan

    Leigh, you can also do a day trip to Malta from Catania on the hydrofoil as it is only 90ks away. Well worth a look around Valletta if you have the time.

  131. Geriatric Mayfly

    If only it were as simple as that.

    There must be a difference between being sent home by the Government and requesting re-admittance to one’s country opf origin. The way they carry on up there on Manus, and their antagonism towards Australia, they must be gagging for the latter option.

  132. Nick

    Leigh, some places come to mind:
    1. Walking the street markets in Palermo
    2. Monreale Cathedral in Palermo
    3. Agrigento (stay over looking the ruins)
    4. Taormina.

  133. JC

    It is now much more tourist friendly

    Lol. Wifey’s just booking in for a pedicure. How uni-culture is that?

    Yea, food is massively good. I had the best veal loaf ever in Palermo. Beyond delicious.

    ———-

    I don’t get some stuff here though – from the ancient times.

    There’s a decent sized mountain abutting the town where we’re staying. On top there’s an old wall fortification. I asked a dude about it and he said the fort was there to defend against invaders in old days. I don’t get it and still don’t and I’m looking right at it as I type. If the fuckers took off up the hill to avoid the bad guys….. haven’t the bad guys won if you’re way up in the mountain and the arseholes have an empty town?

  134. feelthebern

    I’m in the middle of a multi legged, cash-back, airline triple points bonanza.
    If it plays out & I’m not pinged or have points claw backs, I’ll post details here.
    I did this with Virgin international 18months ago & they clawed back points before I blew up like Setka on a texting rant.
    I am a well known points whore.
    It’s no where good as what it was, but there’s always a angle to work.

  135. Mother Lode

    He’s a convert to the RoP?

    He could be a bog standard lefty – they and the RoPers both detest Christianity for precisely the same reason: A different and separate moral tradition and authority.

    He is probably a RoPer though. Calling the Trinitarian Christians polytheists is the clue. Protestants may not share that tradition but that particular gripe seems much out of fashion.

  136. JC

    Leigh

    If you go there, go to Pizzo & Pizzo a very modern hipster deli and restaurant. Ask for the meatloaf (main)and the porcini mushroom pasta as a starter. It’s better than a leg over. Lord it was good.9

  137. Zyconoclast

    I assume, zyco, that when they refer to ‘immigrants’ they mean ‘illegal immigrants’, since regular immigrants would have had rights and access to services equal to natural born citizens already.

    Just be careful not to mention the ‘illegal’ bit.

    I think even using the term ‘illegal immigrant’ goes too far. They also use descriptions like undocumented migrant
    Legal = immigrant/tourist
    Illegal = everybody else

  138. Leigh Lowe

    feelthebern

    #3041010, posted on June 12, 2019 at 5:23 pm

    Don’t you get free insurance from your credit card LL?

    You do, but my understanding is that it is fairly basic.
    We both have pre-existing conditions and, particularly in my case, I could see an insurer squirming out of some medical conditions.
    I actually prefer getting specific insurance and disclosing all history.
    No wriggle room.

  139. Leigh Lowe

    Thanks JC.
    I fit right in to hipster establishments.

  140. memoryvault

    Maybe they know something we haven’t yet grasped?

    Yes.
    In the NH it’s going to get very cold for a long time.

    Evening Bruce.

  141. feelthebern

    We both have pre-existing conditions and, particularly in my case,

    I thought you said you had the penis reduction surgery.

  142. Bruce of Newcastle

    JC – I can see you aren’t into strategy or political economy. People have been building castles for a long long time. They are incredibly expensive to build so there’s clearly a cost-benefit reason for doing it.

    Come to think of such things Israel’s wall is incredibly expensive. So’s Trump’s wall.

    The account of Nehemiah rebuilding the wall of Jerusalem is fun. The neighbours weren’t happy…

    Neh 4: 15 When our enemies heard that we were aware of their plot and that God had frustrated it, we all returned to the wall, each to our own work.

    16 From that day on, half of my men did the work, while the other half were equipped with spears, shields, bows and armor. The officers posted themselves behind all the people of Judah 17 who were building the wall. Those who carried materials did their work with one hand and held a weapon in the other, 18 and each of the builders wore his sword at his side as he worked. But the man who sounded the trumpet stayed with me.

    Walls work.

  143. Leigh Lowe

    Thanks Nick, Megan JC.
    All good tips.
    Won’t be able to do them all, but will no doubt squeeze a few in.
    .
    Do I need a Cuban visa for Sicily?

  144. Nick

    You do, but my understanding is that it is fairly basic.

    I go with 1cover, more expensive, but they have a good reputation.

    In Sicily we found it hard to get car ferry berths back to the Mainland. The agent forbade us to go through Calabria and found tickets.

  145. Geriatric Mayfly

    Do I need a Cuban visa for Sicily?

    It may help to get a few testimonials from around the Riverina district.

  146. feelthebern

    Do I need a Cuban visa for Sicily?

    No, but you should try re-enact the trip Tony, Paulie & Christopher took to Sicily.

  147. Zyconoclast

    In the NH it’s going to get very cold for a long time.

    The brutal cold of the Maunder Minimum and the Great Irish Frost

    http://joannenova.com.au/2011/05/the-brutal-cold-of-the-maunder-minimum-and-the-great-irish-frost/

  148. JC

    Bruce

    View the pic. Explain to me how this works.

    https://anamericaninrome.com/wp/2017/09/cefalu-sicily-day-trip-palermo/

    You head up the mountain and the invaders are in the empty village.

    If you’re talking about building a wall around the town, well that’s different.

  149. Roberto

    Megan

    Leigh, you can also do a day trip to Malta from Catania on the hydrofoil as it is only 90ks away. Well worth a look around Valletta if you have the time.

    I spent a week in Malta a few years ago. Valletta – indeed the whole island – is well worth the visit.

  150. Infidel Tiger

    Handing over Honkers to the Chicoms was one of the greatest acts of cowardice and betrayal in human history:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/GrayConnolly/status/1138697937888747520

  151. feelthebern

    At most betting agencies, the Matildas are 2.10 or there about to beat Brazil who are 3 bucks-ish.

    Considering how they played against Italy the other night, I think that Brazil at 3 bucks is very very decent.

  152. bespoke

    Thinking of Cuba, has Arky posted an update on the Model A?.

  153. Tel

    Do I need a Cuban visa for Sicily?

    Cuban heels and a clean jacket should be sufficient.

  154. feelthebern

    HK is far better now than it was under the Brit’s rule.
    Just don’t be a dick in public & you’ll have a awesome life there.
    Apart from the nannies that is.

  155. Infidel Tiger

    HK is far better now than it was under the Brit’s rule.
    Just don’t be a dick in public & you’ll have a awesome life there.
    Apart from the nannies that is.

    You really are the king of bad takes.

    Not one person living in Honkers thinks it’s better.

  156. egg_

    25g of chicken per day
    28g of fish per day day
    1.5 eggs per week
    200g of milk per day day
    50g of cheese per day

    Per person per day, fresh?
    They’re dreaming.

    What’s yer typical ABC butch lez’s diet – a can of tuna with kale washed down with a thick shake?

  157. feelthebern

    The Brits had a contract with the Chinese.
    If you didn’t like it, you had ample opportunity to leave.
    Life is very free in HK compared to life just across the border.

  158. jupes

    I thought these days pools have that chemical that goes blue around the fucker who’s had a leak. No?

    That’s just what you were told when you were a kid. Worked for me.

    Imagine if they did it at a resort. The pool would be permanently shut.

  159. egg_

    Doesn’t Albo finish the day with a massage and a thick shake?

  160. Infidel Tiger

    This is almost as bad as when you suggested Her Majesty had Nazi sympathies.

    You are an ahistorical nitiwt, which is probably why you are gay and alone.

  161. JC

    Thanks Jupes. I think I’ll use the Med now 🙂

  162. feelthebern

    Not one person living in Honkers thinks it’s better.

    Then why do so many people move there?

  163. Infidel Tiger

    Life is very free in HK compared to life just across the border.

    Yes, but compared to life prior to handover it is now a burdensome police state full of corruption, graft and intimidation.

  164. egg_

    Albo*

    *Their True Albo, Comrades.

  165. Infidel Tiger

    Then why do so many people move there?

    It’s better than the human hellhole called China.

    Also, China is flooding the zone.

  166. feelthebern

    The hate is strong in you IT.
    PS Audi’s are not gay.

  167. Infidel Tiger

    Two men sucking each other off isn’t as gay as an Audi.

  168. feelthebern

    More non-Chinese people move to HK every year than Chinese people.
    It’s like NY or London.
    A capitalists paradice.

  169. Fisky

    You really are the king of bad takes.
    Not one person living in Honkers thinks it’s better.

    I was there just a couple months ago on a work trip, and the overwhelming view was that it has gone down the tubes. It’s now just a very expensive Chinese city with ever decreasing liberties. Even Singapore is better.

  170. Nick

    Yes, but compared to life prior to handover it is now a burdensome police state full of corruption, graft and intimidation.

    True.

  171. Top Ender

    JC:
    castles/forts etc were built where they are for a few reasons.

    Commanding a trade route is a good one. Another is to provide a base of strength to keep the locals quiet. The Marcher Castles in Wales are an example of that. Or you want to have a defence for your own people in country where there is the possibility of roving bands of rebels/brigands etc.

    You want to command the high ground because that way your enemy has his work cut out for him. He has to run up the hill while you throw rocks, spears, arrows etc at him. You also have a good vantage point for your sentries to see the enemy coming.

    Often a town developed steadily around such a stronghold. It was useful for defence of the inhabitants in that a) the local garrison might be able to emerge and smite the enemy a bit on their approach. It was also useful when b) the local people had to take shelter in case the attackers were too strong. The attackers might raze the town to the ground but at least the locals’ lives weren’t taken.

    It got a bit depressing in a lot of castle/town combos if the attackers kept coming every year or so. The raiders might burn your houses and crops down, and drive off all your cattle/sheep whatever while you were sheltering in the castle. A sally by the castle’s garrison cavalry might be good for morale but often you had not enough strength to drive them away so you had to wait until the bandits had gone.

    Walled towns are a sort of development against that. They had good high walls; often were built with an eye against preventing mining; and inside the walls was the castle proper with the “motte and bailey” structure inside that.

    Often what remains around Europe are remnants of all of this. But it confused to look out because it has been added to; modified etc over the years according to need and fashion. For example a lot of castles have been converted window-wise after artillery started making the castle concept a bit less relevant. There are some places for example where the local castle was partly dismantled to provide the stone for a fortified manor house.

    Hope this helps.

  172. Infidel Tiger

    It’s like NY or London.
    A capitalists paradice.

    NY and London are to capitalism what AIDS is to a fun weekend of carefree lovemaking.

    Sad that Honkers is going the same way.

  173. cohenite

    In doctor’s waiting room this arvo getting the peepers checked after the vitrectomy; between 2 sheilas, one about 70, the other 50thish with the manner of a good natured working lady. Got talking; elderly one revealed her green credentials early and scowled about Adani destroying the GBR: I said the GBR wasn’t there 11000 years ago and to her outraged spluttering explained why. She retaliated that society today was profligate (she actually said that) in its use of water and electricity and lessons needed to be learnt. I said that the greens were misanthropes and did not wish well for people. Her lips became even more pursed. As I rose after being called in I asked whether she was married; she blushed and turned away. The other lady had a ghost of a smile.

    I don’t know, was that fair of me?

  174. feelthebern

    Compare Bali to HK IT.
    Where would you prefer to visit?
    Where would you prefer to live?
    Where do you have more freedom?

  175. egg_

    If a lady swims in a pool on a cruise ship there is a 48% chance she will get pregnant.

    Grigs?

  176. Infidel Tiger

    Compare Bali to HK IT.
    Where would you prefer to visit?
    Where would you prefer to live?
    Where do you have more freedom?

    Bali mostly, but sometimes HK.
    Neither – both are visit only destinations.
    Depends on what you call freedom.

  177. jupes

    blockquote>View the pic. Explain to me how this works.

    Would you rather be shooting up or down?

    Invaders back in the day might not have been happy to just to rule over the defeated village. They probably would have been somewhat cruel to the survivors (if any). If the invaders were strong enough to take the village, the hill is where you could survive.

    Reminds me of a mini Masada.

  178. Bruce of Newcastle

    View the pic. Explain to me how this works.

    JC – Read the first volume of Livy, a Roman historian. In those days when a bunch of ferals turned up the locals would retire to what is translated as the ‘citadel’, a fort inside the town walls. That was what happened when the Gauls sacked Rome in the 4thC BC. The defenders couldn’t hold the town walls, but could hold the citadel.

    Store enough nosh in the citadel and wait out the ferals. Given that the invaders tended not to be very good at hygiene that was a viable strategy. The ferals had no locals to enslave, weren’t able to till the land themselves and weren’t able to break into the citadel. Eventually they caught cholera and died like flies, whereupon they’d go away.

    In Sicily the big problem was RoP pirates. They’d come in and trash the place and take everyone away to be slaves. So the locals retire to the fort on top of the mesa. The pirates aren’t going to bother taking the citadel. Too much like hard work. Their target, the people, have taken off. The houses are all built of stone and aren’t combustible. So they sail away to find some other spot to raid.

    The fort may even be Norman. They did for the RoPers and conquered the island.

  179. feelthebern

    Considering I don’t do drugs, HK wins on all three measures.

  180. bespoke

    Infidel Tiger

    Boomers remember. Not long to go. 😁

  181. feelthebern

    NY and London are to capitalism what AIDS is to a fun weekend of carefree lovemaking.

    So how did you tell your missus about the herpes?

  182. Infidel Tiger

    Considering I don’t do drugs, HK wins on all three measures.

    Drugs are a helluva lot cheaper and more prevalent in Honkers.

    Nearly every ex-pat there is a coke fuelled, Wan Chai dwelling, hooker fucking loser.

  183. JC

    I don’t know, was that fair of me?

    Not at all. I had a run in with a kraut boiler who was trying to arrange lounge chairs around the pool in Capri. She was baking herself stupid and trying to hog everything around her.

    I reminded the old crow organising everyone didn’t work out for them twice last century. She was rude to my kid.

  184. jupes

    Thanks Jupes. I think I’ll use the Med now 🙂

    I wouldn’t worry about it. Chemicals are your friend and even with a pool-side bar the urine / water ratio is tiny. Better than swimming in whale shit.

  185. JC

    Bruce, jupes

    Perhaps I’m being a little commercial in the sense that if you have the town, you may not have kill off everyone – just keep them up in the mountain. -:)

  186. feelthebern

    Wan Chai is becoming more gentrified by the day.
    Drugs & hookers are so last decade.
    It’s like you believe every stereo type you come across.
    It’s like saying every white guy in WA is South African or a bikie.

  187. feelthebern

    Better than swimming in whale shit.

    John McAfee swears by whale shit.

  188. Infidel Tiger

    Wan Chai is becoming more gentrified by the day.
    Drugs & hookers are so last decade.
    It’s like you believe every stereo type you come across.
    It’s like saying every white guy in WA is South African or a bikie.

    The point remains, HK was much better under British rule and is getting worse every day.

    It was complete cowardice to give it back to the Chinks.

  189. JC

    John McAfee swears by whale shit.

    He’s 100% insane. Stimson doesn’t even come close. He’s what insane should look like.

  190. Frank

    I thought these days pools have that chemical that goes blue around the fucker who’s had a leak. No?
    The Med is freaking cold.

    The local aquatic centre here sells swim nappies at the front desk on the way in.

  191. Mother Lode

    Numberwang gets excited and clicks post before commenting again, Sad!

    Premature exasperation.

  192. feelthebern

    IT’s artisan rantings aside, I am late to the Theranos story but am totally fascinated by it.
    I read about it in passing over the years but it never really got me interested.
    Now I’m reading Bad Blood.
    I’ve watched the HBO doco that the author contributed to.
    Now I’m also listening to a 6 part podcast on it.
    Having Wall Street types rip off pension funds & retail investors is one thing.
    Having the Silicon Valley VC crowd get so hood winked is totally another.

  193. Bruce of Newcastle

    Perhaps I’m being a little commercial in the sense that if you have the town, you may not have kill off everyone – just keep them up in the mountain. -:)

    That’s why I mentioned political economy JC.

    The locals could stay up in that fort for years. It happened regularly. The investment required of the besiegers to winkle them out would be very costly. While trying to do so they would suffer from disease and, unless very well organised, hunger. The defenders would raid the besiegers, requiring continual vigilance – which is difficult for undisciplined besiegers. Sieges often are much more costly for the besieger than for the besieged, which is what the ingenuity of the defenders intends. Porcupines deter lions quite effectively…

  194. feelthebern

    How many hookers has McAfee married?
    Seriously, the chap has a problem.

  195. Infidel Tiger

    What did the chick do wrong?

    Ripping of VC guys is no crime in my book.

  196. DrBeauGan

    Why would you use a bank for fx?
    There are a dozen fx providers out there that would do it at a fraction of the rip.

    NAB was their bank, where they wanted the money sent. NAB may have just hung onto it for two weeks.

    JC, I don’t want to talk to Cubans. I want to smoke Cuban cigars, or Havanas as we call them.

    Numbers advice was imbecile, as you’d expect. Not many people fly to Cuba from Oz I’m guessing, but the consulado was quite clear on the procedure. I had the choice of believing them or numbers. It didn’t take me long to choose.

  197. JC

    Artie

    She was a bullshit artist. Stop.

    High trust is very important to a great economy.

  198. bespoke

    ‘Sounds legit’: The Daily Wire looks back at the road AOC’s taken to earn that pay raise she’s demanding

    Well anyway, AOC’s strategy of painting a pay raise as not a pay raise seems to be part of a larger strategy. In case you’re not clear on exactly what that strategy is, the Daily Wire has helpfully mapped it out:

  199. John Constantine

    Eternally enraged yarragrad roads minister, fresh from cutting the speed that victorians lose their drivers licence at from 30kmh over to 24kmh over, now threatens to cut country speed limits by 20 kmh.

    Do 104kmh on the open vicco rural road and lose your licence.

    Fatigue kills, so make everybody spend 25% longer on the road.

    Billions of dollars in road spending to be saved if the minister does triage and allows the roads to crumble.

    Big Australia has made us so rich we can afford to write off the rural road network.

    The damage has already been done, the signs saying unsafe toad 80kmh are already up.

    Comrades.

  200. bespoke

    DrBeauGan

    Are you allowed to bring some back?

  201. John Constantine

    The signs saying :

    ” unsafe road 80 kmh”

    Are not seen as legal speed restrictions, but i am now wondering if you drive at 104 kmh on these stretches of major public highway, will you lose your license?.

  202. bespoke

    cigars not Cuban’s

  203. John Constantine

    https://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/news/victoria/rural-road-toll-victorian-government-consider-lowering-speed-limits/news-story/5655b4a8798da16815d49c0843c39b9c?fbclid=IwAR3EoI4a_l-rdq9PK0vBzDbKXMKhxsp_3bnDoobpNDjioDA5qmFP_S0aSv4

    Ms Pulford said.

    “A strong message from the Road Safety Summit was that to turn this tragic situation around we need to be looking at speed limits on rural roads — and we’re now holding regional roundtables to hear more from the people who use those roads every day.”

    The default country roads limit of 100km/h was introduced by the Hamer Government when Victorian signs underwent metrication in 1974.

    The default is standard across all Australian states with the Northern Territory’s 110km/h default the exception.

    Opposition roads spokeswoman Roma Britnell said lowering speed limits would penalise country drivers for a lack of road investment.

    “The state budget shows Labor is planning to spend $220 million less on rural road upgrade projects this year,” Mrs Britnell said.

    “Now Labor seems to be going for the easy option and is planning to slow people down.”

    Comrades.

  204. Tel

    Ripping of VC guys is no crime in my book.

    I agree … but you would be very dopey to firstly rip them off and then not expect to have just made a bunch of powerful enemies who have significant influence in terms of discouraging that behaviour in future.

    I always got the impression that it was a case of “girls can do anything” and all you need to do is wish hard enough and it all works out. Good for 6 year olds, but there comes a day when you have to explain that every child really doesn’t get a prize … not once you grow up anyhow.

  205. DrBeauGan

    bespoke
    #3041112, posted on June 12, 2019 at 6:49 pm
    DrBeauGan

    Are you allowed to bring some back?

    Yes, bespoke, provided I pay duty on them. Which is significantly more than the cost of the cigars.

    I don’t know if the government of Cuba is the gang of evil, tyrannical bastards that the US state department says it is, but I loathe our government more at the moment.

  206. Arky

    Which one of you spastic retards is running Iampeter as a sock?
    It’s not funny. And I’m not playing this game any more.

  207. bespoke

    Iampeter is the best. So wise and thoughtful.

  208. Bruce of Newcastle

    What did the chick do wrong?
    Ripping of VC guys is no crime in my book.

    It’s like the wonderful widget a guy came up with to detect bombs.
    He sold a vast number of bomb detectors to the Iraqis.
    The Iraqis would take their bomb detecting widgets and wave them over cars.
    Bomb detecting widget would give green tick, therefore no bomb.
    As it turned out the bomb detecting widget was actually a fake golf ball finder toy worth about a dollar. Packaged into a nice plastic casing. It did nothing, except maybe detect gullible people.
    But the Iraqi militia checking cars with them didn’t get blown up, because the bomber knew the Iraqi guy knew the bomb detector didn’t work. So everyone was happy, especially the guy selling them for $50k each.

    Theranos is like that. A blood test which didn’t work to detect everything – which when it came back negative made the testee happy.

  209. Knuckle Dragger

    Sky reporting a new poll that has Biden beating DJT in 2020.

    Hilarious.

  210. Top Ender

    The default is standard across all Australian states with the Northern Territory’s 110km/h default the exception.

    They got that wrong, as well as their stupid logic.

    The NT is 100 around most of the bigger towns: Darwin, Alice, Katherine. It goes up to 110 quite quickly somewhat away from there, and rises to 130 kph for substantial sections.

    Strangely enough there are very few high speed crashes.

  211. Infidel Tiger

    A poll you say? My god they are always right!

  212. Tel

    He’s 100% insane. Stimson doesn’t even come close. He’s what insane should look like.

    John McAfee would make a bloody brilliant POTUS … winning under the Libertarian banner.

    The only man who could give Trump a run for his money. 2020 election and it’s McAfee vs Trump … imagine that!

  213. Knuckle Dragger

    Excellent.

    Thousands of umbrella-wielding Hong Kongians being smashed by water cannon and coughing on tear gas rounds from security force pumpies.

    Can’t fault their motivation though. Extradition to China for trials is nobody’s cup of tea.

    Take note, Poms. This is how you do a Brexit.

  214. MatrixTransform

    and rises to 130 kph for substantial sections.

    preferred it unlimited.
    getting passed at considerable speed by road trains after slowing to 150

  215. Tel

    Strangely enough there are very few high speed crashes.

    Also very few hills, very few bends and hardly any trees or standing structures … probably all coincidence and unrelated.

  216. mizaris

    I thought these days pools have that chemical that goes blue around the fucker who’s had a leak. No?

    No such chemical. If the urine is reasonably concentrated there will be a definite yellow colour appearing in the water around the guilty party. Otherwise, there’s no evidence of leakage at all. However, if in doubt, kick legs or thrash around a bit to agitate the fluids. From a long time swimming teacher.

  217. cohenite

    Sky reporting a new poll that has Biden beating DJT in 2020.

    Hilarious.

    Sampled from demorats no doubt. Here are the details.

    Former Vice President Joe Biden leads President Trump by 13 points nationally, according to the latest Quinnipiac University survey.

    In a national head-to-head matchup, the poll found Biden taking 53 percent against 40 percent for Trump, with the poll’s assistant director describing it as a “landslide” margin.

    Five other Democratic contenders also lead the president: Sens. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) and Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) hold healthy leads over Trump, with Sanders up by 9 points, Harris ahead by 8 and Warren leading by 7.

    South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg (D) and Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) lead Trump by 5 points, with each posting a 47 to 42 split.

    “It’s a long 17 months to Election Day, but Joe Biden is ahead by landslide proportions,” said Tim Malloy, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.

    Here’s uncle joe at a campaign meet:

    Joe Biden slobbers all over himself at sad Iowa campaign event.

  218. Arky

    I notice the maccas at the servo I go to is getting a bit fascist about directing customers away from the counter to the automated self serve order thingo. That seems to be driving some to wander off to the KFC instead.
    Collins foods up on the back of this, or coincidence?

  219. Arky

    If the urine is reasonably concentrated there will be a definite yellow colour appearing in the water around the guilty party.

    ..
    Which is why I always take a leak in the pool from outside the pool.
    Saves that tell tale cloud.

  220. Knuckle Dragger

    The Stuart Highway is, for the most part, of excellent construction, width and camber. Built for, and copes well with road trains carrying fuel, moo cows and other stuff. Also copes well with tsunami of grey ghosts bring the Mallard out for a swansong. Doing 130kph on some of the straight bits feels like 70kph.

    Most country Victorian roads are shot to shit through years of use, particularly by wheat trucks. They have crumbled edges, shoddily repaired and more often than not require you to slow down and put two wheels in the dirt when someone else comes the other way.

    Country Vics are very familiar with this, and have learnt to drive on them. People who have never walked on gravel find this state of affairs untenable and fail to drive to the conditions (where you can still often run 100 with no dramas), so much so they routinely end up dead on them. This is not so much the fault of the city punters as it is those who should be repairing the roads.

    Not turning them into four-lane autobahns, mind you. Just fix the bloody things.

  221. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘bringing the Mallard’

    Sorry, custard.

  222. Rockdoctor

    TE, I did a job in the NT in 2015 & met Giles who I have high opinion of as a person but he squibbed on reopening the derestricted zones on the Stuart & Barkley. IMO 130km/h is still too slow on some of those stretches, 150km/h seems to balance the fuel usage against shortest time on road.

  223. bespoke

    Arky’s the only person ever to violate maccas dress code.

  224. cohenite

    Jerry Harvey on the Bolt report commenting on sud gangs (they’re not African gangs according to the wallopers) wreaking havoc on retails in Sydney says they don’t do that in Singapore where armed guards shoot thieves like the sud non-gangs. Under Ford’s gentle persuasion changes his approach to stun guns.

    Ford notes no group is more aghast about the sud non-gangs than the sud community who have mad enormous contributions to Australia. Serious question: what have they contributed?

  225. John Constantine

    https://www.bicyclenetwork.com.au/newsroom/2019/06/05/time-for-action-on-road-safety/

    For three hours, we heard about the government’s commitment to splash cash on mobile speed cameras, new generation safety cameras to combat distracted driving, and the effective roll out of flexible wire rope safety barriers.

    In Victoria, we have a newly elected state government, backed by voters for another consecutive term. This alone should be a mandate to make the brave and sometimes unpopular decisions we need to save lives.

    We need our politicians to stand strong against the naysayers.

  226. Knuckle Dragger

    Right.

    On the back of recent discussion here, and especially watching Tom’s mate on Fox I am about to go and let a medical gentleman (or that’s what he said) look at my firm yet pliant buttocks, and the horror that awaits within.

    I swiped right, so I’d better get a kiss first. Or at least a biscuit.

    There will be no liveblogging.

  227. BrettW

    KD,
    Totally support the protesters but feel sorry for the cops who can’t win if the protests are sustained.

    Similar thing happened a few years ago and went on for weeks. Some police were arrested for beating up a protester in a side street.

    The Hong Kong police would be amongst the best trained and equipped for riot control in the world. However their neighbours and family members are the protesters.

    The risk is that if the police loose control then the PLA have troops stationed in HK. Since 1997 they have kept quiet and been mostly unseen so hope it remains that way.

    Problem is the HK leaders sucking up to Beijing.

  228. Frank

    Serious question: what have they contributed?

    Gangs.

  229. John Constantine

    Godless commo scumbags campaign by organising to flood the godless commo scumbage staffing pulfords office with emails demanding lower speed limits.

    Take action – send a quick message

    As the government looks for ways to address the state’s alarming road toll and set a new road safety strategy, it’s important to let them know that as a community we value the lives of our friends, family and neighbours over getting somewhere quickly.
    Countless research shows that lowering speed limits, investing in infrastructure and increasing vehicle safety standards will save lives and reduce serious injuries on our roads. Many of these can be implemented quickly and at little cost.

    Send a quick email, tweet or Facebook message to the Minister for Road Safety Jaala Pulford, to let her know that you would back bold and courageous action to save lives on our roads.

    Contact the Minister for Road Safety

    Email: [email protected]
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/@jaalapulford
    Facebook: JaalaPulfordMP

    Anybody wanna send commonsense comments like how does it help fatigue to spend extra hours a week on the same roads?.

    And who just decided to make a road that you had to do 130kmh to lose your license on last year a road that 104kmh loses your license next year?.

    Where does it end?.

    And nobody can outright say why yarragrad traffic has become so bad the last ten years.

    Comrades.

  230. twostix

    Ford notes no group is more aghast about the sud non-gangs than the sud community who have mad enormous contributions to Australia. Serious question: what have they contributed?

    They are a negative contribution where ever they reside.

    Why must we have a mini version of the world inside our country.

  231. Armadillo

    Arky’s the only person ever to violate maccas dress code.

    I probably should scroll up. But I won’t.

  232. Tom

    There will be no liveblogging.

    Good luck, KD. There are worse things in life than getting a doctor’s hand in a rubber glove up your clacker. Sounds like a life-saver.

  233. John Constantine

    Harvey demanded accelerated and accelerating Big Australia population growth so his loanshark buy now pay later business model of retailing chicom slave labour tack to the worlds poorest peasants dumped into Australias welfare plantations could superprofit.

    Import millions more customers, all the donation grasping politicals were told.

    How could it go wrong?.

    So our elite demand the unleashing of Death Squads to protect their eliteness.

    Comrades.

  234. Bruce of Newcastle

    Take note, Poms. This is how you do a Brexit.

    Honkers ain’t going to hexit. At best some of the locals might flee as boat people, but the PLAN is the second biggest navy on the planet and they sure aren’t going to allow plebs to flee the enlightened rule of the CCP. Why, other plebs might get ideas that they could flee too!

    After those RoPers are reprogrammed in Xinjiang the gulags are going to be ready for a new clientelle.

  235. Zyconoclast

    Italy sacks Intel chiefs over Mifsud – Brennan Russia Hoax fiasco

    ROME, ITALY: The Prime Minister of Italy has fired two of the countries most powerful intelligence chiefs in a major shake-up. It was directly attributed to their participation with John Brennan and the CIA in using Joseph Mifsud to set up George Papadopoulos as a pretext for launching the great Russia Hoax of 2016.

    https://www.commdiginews.com/politics-2/italy-sacks-intel-chiefs-over-mifsud-brennan-russia-hoax-fiasco-119822/

  236. Arky

    Armadildo ahoy.
    Fire up the rodent crushing power of the Model A deathstar.

  237. Armadillo

    Problem is the HK leaders sucking up to Beijing.

    I doubt they have little choice.

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