Open Forum: June 15, 2019

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  1. Stimpson J. Cat

    Let me be very clear, my Sane children.
    Unless your ex-wife/husband married again,
    and still kept your name as tribute to your magnificence, you really have no business using either.
    Not that it’s a competition or anything.
    😁

  2. Stimpson J. Cat

    And I am talking about the ridiculous terms Alpha and Beta, of course.

  3. cohenite

    Hands up anyone who thinks iran DIDN’T attack the oil tankers.

  4. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Tulsi Gabbard took to twitter to call out the Trump administrations attempts to escalate tensions with Iran.

    Well done frank; that’s about on par with the fuckwits who blame the cia/jooos/lizard people, anyone but the RoP, for 9/11.

    Oh god this is insane.

    Cringe level is over 9000.

    You’re equating 9/11 troofers with the acknowledgement of an insider clique that basically is a continuation of the bipartisan neocon “Project for the New American Century”?

    Also absolving the CIA and FBI of any responsibiltiy for 9/11 is why shit like that will happen over and over again, unless you want to go full retard and play the “let’s nuke the entire middle east and SE asia and half of india” card.

    Civil servants who fuck up need to be fired. We used to hang incompetent Admirals.

    Iran might have been behind it. Sure, hit assets of the regime and its military. The ship also appears to have mine damage, so surely they can avoid mines? If Iran is laying mines everywhere that would be fairly easy to prove. No one seems to be claiming that though.

    Am I wrong for not trusting either Iran or the Saudis?

  5. Knuckle Dragger

    Puneet Puneet, Indian student with a rich Daddy is complaining that he is facing his 84th (yes) court hearing to extradite him to Australia.

    There is a photo of him. He looks a bit downcast.

    He shouldn’t be. He’s alive, unlike the poor punter he rammed 3/4 of a tonne of steel into while shitfaced in Southbank.

  6. johanna

    We saw blonde bear! Quite rare, amongst this population of brown bears (not black ones as I said earlier). With its male mate, a large chestnut coloured bear.

    The polar bear DNA coming out strongly

    Lizzie, stick to movie references.

    Polar bears and brown bears are pretty much the same species and interbreed freely and successfully. At least you finally worked out that they are not the same as black bears.

    Chestnut coloured brown bears may or may not have polar bear antecedents – they are just a different shade of brown, you know, like brown and chestnut horses.

    Sheesh.

  7. Tel

    I was an admirer of Bolton, he has gone south real quick.

    I honestly think he and the Koch Bros are starting to go senile.

    Bolton always been bombast, nationalist and jingoistic. In the case of telling the United Nations they can go and get stuffed, he probably called it right. In the case of making peace in the Middle East … Bolton would be the last person to even want peace in the Middle East. Admittedly, there doesn’t look like any peaceful answer to Middle Eastern squabbles … but why should I want to buy into that? Why should anyone want to get involved in an intractable quagmire? The only winners are the military budgets.

  8. Tel

    Well done frank; that’s about on par with the fuckwits who blame the cia/jooos/lizard people, anyone but the RoP, for 9/11.

    We get it Cohenite … you would be way happy to invade any and every nation for no other reason that you don’t like their religion … and you leverage 9/11 as the excuse for that no matter whether those people were in any way involved or not. Just like Iraq … invade first, come up with ever-shifting explanations afterwards … if ever in doubt mention 9/11 three times and salute the flag. You have every reason to support Bolton because he thinks exactly the way you do. Don’t expect other people to be complete meatheads though.

  9. Stimpson J. Cat

    Hands up anyone who thinks iran DIDN’T attack the oil tankers.

    It’s almost like we’ve seen this all before.
    It’s all so tiresome.

  10. Stimpson J. Cat

    Am I wrong for not trusting either Iran or the Saudis?

    Of course not.
    I also wouldn’t trust any countries capable of creating and using a weapon like Stuxnet either.

  11. Knuckle Dragger

    O.M. Feckin’ G.

    The greatest article ever written on the state of the AFL. Ever.

    I was going to post highlights, but the whole thing, every word, is a beacon of common sense in an ocean of imbecility.

  12. max

    My dear wife used to play Paul Simon incessantly, so it seemed, so this struck home:

    “Like many people born in the 1980s, I first heard Paul Simon in a car with my dad,” writes Daniel Drake in his marvelously subtle essay “Paul Simon: Fathers, Sons, Troubled Water.” “Graceland was the album for boomer parents on road trips with their children. In my case, it was a little on the nose: my dad would play Simon’s albums, suffused with second marriages and children, as he picked up my brother and sister and me for his custodial weekend.” Drake follows Simon’s “voyage through maturity” in his solo albums and considers how the lyrics have woven themselves into his own life and memories. He ends with the story of going to hear one of Simon’s final concerts at Madison Square Garden last fall with his Trump-supporting father—setting aside their political differences, at least for the evening. “Don’t give up,” Simon implores the audience. “I don’t know a soul who’s not been battered / I don’t have a friend who feels at ease / I don’t know a dream that’s not been shattered / or driven to its knees,” he sings. But to Drake the lyrics sound hollow, “in the center of a stadium concert venue among a crowd of happily vaping boomers. Who has lived so well so long?”

  13. Leigh Lowe

    calli

    #3043757, posted on June 16, 2019 at 10:16 am

    A vignette of Lake Louise.

    Among the vast, surging crowds leaping forward to take the selfie or the peace sign or the jumping shot against the limpid blue/green, stands a group of four Poms. They juggle cameras, finding a perfect position on the edge.

    Iconic hotel building, recognised around the world.
    Chances of getting permission to build it today?
    Approximately 0.0001%.
    We stayed there last century and it was fun to watch the Asian camera folk dances on the forecourt of the hotel.
    Twenty would converge.
    Three or four would break from the pack with a couple of cameras each.
    The remainder would adopt ridiculous poses and photos were taken.
    Then 3 or 4 would break from the pack, exchange cameras and the photographers would join the pack.
    This was repeated three or four times and it looked like it was totally choreographed.

  14. Bruce in WA

    Johnny Horton – North To Alaska Lyrics | Genius Lyrics

    My late father was often known for “mishearing” lyrics but happily singing along anyway.

    His version was, “North, to Alaska, we’re goin’ north, the Russian Zone”.

  15. Leigh Lowe:

    I fuckin hate them.
    We live in a direct line between the local Batanical Gardens in the biggest Moreton Bay fig in the known universe.
    Neither the bats or the tree are going anywhere.

    Mouse traps in the tree – cloth around the wire bit so you don’t break their freaky little legs.
    A dab of honey on the trigger plate.
    Catch one – deter several million from the tree.
    “Help! Help! A tree monster has me and is going to eat my head!”
    There’s no solidarity in the bat community – they all piss off and God help the poor bastard who gets caught. A bit like Armadillos, actually.
    Let it go in the morning.
    Rinse/repeat.
    They will get the message.

  16. Never underestimate how smart some farmers are.
    Never underestimate how stupid some farmers are.

    Never underestimate how much about farming is known by people who do not actually operate a farm business.

  17. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Old law from SA, but I found out about this just after I buy a bruiser of Penn rod and a long coveted Shimano Baitrunner D.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-14/shark-fishing-ban-adelaide-coast/3828232

    What a retarded, pathetic nation of weaklings.

    How do they say what is “shark fishing” and what is “Mulloway fishing”?

    Fisheries Minister Gail Gago says fisheries officers and Fishcare volunteers will patrol many fishing spots to check bans are being complied with.

    Who the fuck are these people? Special constables? Block wardens? Grigory ^%$#ing Moron?

    FFS. I’m hanging out for the 1st bronze whaler I get. A month’s supply of battered fish.

  18. feelthebern

    Never underestimate how much about farming is known by people who do not actually operate a farm business.

    Well said.

  19. Leigh Lowe

    Mouse traps in the tree – cloth around the wire bit so you don’t break their freaky little legs.

    Hmm.
    The tree is out front of the council offices and cop-shop, so maybe not.

  20. feelthebern

    Fishcare volunteers

    Hey-Zeus.

  21. mh

    Trump brought Bolton into the team because he believes he brings something to the table. Obviously.
    Maybe Trump wants an experienced hawk nearby to make sure that his own relationships with national leaders don’t cloud his judgement.

    So far, I don’t think Trump has done much wrong.

  22. Speaking of AFL crowd brawls.
    I recall one which was started by a meat pie.
    Person A bights meat pie. Meat pie drops red hot pie innards down the back of the neck of the person in front of them.
    Something to behold.

  23. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-16/not-all-hot-air-with-tasmanian-windfarm-plans/11209390

    The insanity continues.

    Tasmania could be 95 per cent renewable energy self-sufficient by the end of the year once Cattle Hill Wind Farm is in full operation.

    They could export electricity with a couple of large scale LFTRs (liquid fluoride thorium nuclear reactor) which have an impeccable risk profile.

  24. Woolfe

    KD you need to pay to get access to that gaining grounds article.

  25. cohenite

    Ooooh, I’m getting picked on by frank and tel; where’s my safe space.

    Frank:

    You’re equating 9/11 troofers with the acknowledgement of an insider clique that basically is a continuation of the bipartisan neocon “Project for the New American Century”?

    No, your link was. It’s confusing; we already have the swamp so would this neocon group be the anti-swampers?

    Tel:

    We get it Cohenite … you would be way happy to invade any and every nation for no other reason that you don’t like their religion … and you leverage 9/11 as the excuse for that no matter whether those people were in any way involved or not.

    I’ll ignore the verballing about what would make me happy and concentrate on the fact you sound like a troofer. If that is the case would you please engage frank who sounds like an anti-troofer, or not.

  26. Leigh Lowe

    Knuckle Dragger

    #3043833, posted on June 16, 2019 at 11:26 am

    O.M. Feckin’ G.

    The greatest article ever written on the state of the AFL. Ever.

    Behind the Rupert-Wall.

  27. Arky

    These Calli posts are becoming dangerously Lizzie like.
    Soon she will be writing a book and stoushing with other female cats.
    Seriously thinking of revoking your man pass Calli.
    You have been warned.

  28. Nick

    I must have been to Lake Louise when there was no one there.
    I do remember an expensive bottle of wine at the top hotel in Banff that was put through some sort of elaborate, large, electronic bong by the sommelier while she sniffles most of it before we even got to drink the bloody thing.

  29. Stimpson J. Cat

    Never underestimate how much about farming is known by people who do not actually operate a farm business.

    Never underestimate a Farmers ability to whinge about anything, all the time.
    This includes Farmers wives, obviously.

  30. Arky

    These Calli posts are becoming dangerously Lizzie like.
    Soon she will be writing a book and stoushing with other female cats.
    Seriously thinking of revoking your man pass Calli.
    You have been warned.

  31. bespoke

    They could export electricity with a couple of large scale LFTRs (liquid fluoride thorium nuclear reactor) which have an impeccable risk profile.

    Tell me more or post a YouTube link. 😁

  32. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    As requested, and back by popular demand.

    A short video on LFTR nuke power. A game changing technology that will benefit humanity.

  33. Confused Old Misfit

    We used to hang incompetent Admirals.

    I think you’ll find they were more often shot.

  34. Stimpson J. Cat

    Never Forget.

    Senator Rand Paul
    @RandPaul
    I have never been prouder of President Donald Trump. In today’s meeting, he stood up for a strong America and steadfastly opposed foreign wars. Putting America First means declaring victory in Afghanistan and Syria. President Trump is delivering on his promises.
    7:00 AM · Jan 17, 2019

    Dan Crenshaw
    @DanCrenshawTX
    @RandPaul
    is giving the President bad advice.
    There are those of us who have sacrificed for our nation, who know the importance of this terrorist threat and the need to stay vigilant.
    We go there so that they don’t come here. It’s that simple.
    11:21 AM · Jan 17, 2019

  35. feelthebern

    The Iranians would have been the last people in the middle east to bomb/attempt to bomb any pipelines or ships.
    The Iranian people want a peaceful transition to a liberal democracy.
    The crackpots in charge do not.
    Compare that to the US where the deep state war-machine wants perpetual war & Trump doesn’t.
    At the same time he has agencies going all in on Assange (Trump should shut that shit down but can’t lest he be accused of obstruction or something).
    Hillary would have invaded Iran by now if she was president.
    Trump is the rusty lock on the gate holding back the deep state war machine.

  36. Industrial sensors and control systems have improved markedly in the last 15 years.

    Have any nukes been built with modern control systems?

  37. Tel

    Hands up anyone who thinks iran DIDN’T attack the oil tankers.

    Incentives matter … Iran has nothing to gain from this, so I think it’s about as plausible that they attacked oil tankers as the story about Assad reaching the point where he had pretty much won the civil war and then suddenly deciding to gas his own people in a place that had zero strategic advantage.

    Whenever you see people behaving in a way that makes no sense at all, that’s often because the story you have been told is complete BS.

    I would put it as most likely done by some rogue group who want to prove they own importance, and managed to get hold of some RPG’s or similar weapons. There’s a large number of possible candidates. Al-Qaeda still holds a large chunk of land in the Southeast of Yemen, very likely they have some degree on infiltration into Oman and Saudi Arabia. There’s plenty of tribal and religious extremists still operating out of Pakistan too.

    If the USA had strong evidence linking to Iran they would have put it forward already … which means there is no evidence, and we are just supposed to believe it. That’s the main reason I don’t believe it, because the official narrative is just about always wrong.

  38. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Incentives matter … Iran has nothing to gain from this

    What did Saddam have to gain from disobeying the weapons inspectors and giving Bush II a legitimate cause for war?

  39. Crossie

    WA
    #3043836, posted on June 16, 2019 at 11:33 am
    Johnny Horton – North To Alaska Lyrics | Genius Lyrics

    My late father was often known for “mishearing” lyrics but happily singing along anyway.

    His version was, “North, to Alaska, we’re goin’ north, the Russian Zone”.

    I love that song and the movie and watch it at least once a year.

  40. feelthebern

    Remember when Krudd called off his campaign to go back to Canberra to discuss the Syrian situation post the gassing.
    What an idiot.
    It’s now been universally proven that Assad wasn’t behind the gassing.
    Just like the Russian weren’t behind the poisoning of those two attention seekers in the UK.
    There are two parties not behind the recent oil related incidents in the middle east.
    The Israelis & the Iranians.

  41. MatrixTransform

    I love how you (reportedly) can’t smoke in a heroin injecting room.

    You cannot (actually) even smoke on site.

  42. Tel

    I’ll ignore the verballing about what would make me happy and concentrate on the fact you sound like a troofer. If that is the case would you please engage frank who sounds like an anti-troofer, or not.

    So your strategy is to smear me, because you don’t like people smearing you … makes total sense, except that you actually started it, and your extremist anti-RoP comments have been coming out for years so you have nothing to hide behind.

    There is absolutely zero evidence that Iraq ever had anything to do with 9/11 and if you want to argue against that then try finding some evidence instead of using funny words as if that was an argument.

  43. Herodotus

    Click (on) ABC radio: Genders in sport – should be more of them.
    Click (off).

  44. Confused Old Misfit

    We go there so that they don’t come here. It’s that simple.

    Basic Sun Tzu.
    Our problem now is that some of our idiot population and their so called leader want to bring them here.
    There is a war on.
    Ignore it at your peril.

  45. feelthebern

    What did Saddam have to gain from disobeying the weapons inspectors and giving Bush II a legitimate cause for war?

    That didn’t matter.
    Selling oil in Euros not USD was the death knell for Saddam.

  46. feelthebern

    If Crenshaw didn’t have a patch & wasn’t made fun off of SNL, no one would even know who he was.

  47. Roberto

    Confused Old Misfit

    We used to hang incompetent Admirals.

    I think you’ll find they were more often shot.

    Dans ce pays-ci, il est bon de tuer de temps en temps un amiral pour encourager les autres.

  48. Crossie

    Our elite lefties have certainly performed a miracle, they have driven me to defend people I hate like Setka. His union work aside, I want to know exactly what he said about Saint Rosie to decide whether it was inexcusable.

    Besides, even if he said something indefensible he should be able to say it.

    Weren’t all these ever so sensitive elites the loud protesters of the 70s when they wanted the absolute freedom of speech for themselves?

  49. feelthebern

    US foreign policy should be:
    1) Withdraw from Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan;
    2) Ban immigration from shit hole countries that are full of the Religion of Peace.

    The US would benefit from:
    1) A peace dividend;
    2) A decreased spend on welfare programs that RoP’ers are so drawn to.

  50. Herodotus

    If the Iranians have nothing to do with discouraging or stopping shipping on their doorstep, it’d be better if they had never threatened to do just that. Since they did make threats they can wear the hat.

  51. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Incentives matter … Iran has nothing to gain from this, so I think it’s about as plausible that they attacked oil tankers as the story about Assad reaching the point where he had pretty much won the civil war and then suddenly deciding to gas his own people in a place that had zero strategic advantage.

    Iran has everything to gain from this., I would say there is a back channel message to back off the sanctions or else the attacks will continue.

  52. Tel

    What did Saddam have to gain from disobeying the weapons inspectors and giving Bush II a legitimate cause for war?

    He tried to cooperate with the United Nations weapons inspectors and they wrote him up with a good report. The USA kept moving the goal posts to ensure that they could eventually claim he was hiding something.

    What they eventually found was a few warehouses of old mustard gas shells left over from the Iran/Iraq war that were not in serviceable condition but no one wanted to clean them up either. The UN inspectors already knew about these, and although dangerous, they certainly never were going to be suitable for attacking any Western targets. Some mustard gas attacks many years later in Syria might have come from these stocks of shells, if you believe some of the better ones were transported and hidden by the radical Sunnis. The US military eventually cleaned up and destroyed the remainder.

  53. feelthebern

    I reckon Albo will change his tune on Setka shortly.
    Otherwise in 2 years time when Setka is still running the CFMMEU, Albo will look pretty silly.

  54. feelthebern, Argument based on assumption (or presumption) rather than facts is a perilous path.

  55. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Our elite lefties have certainly performed a miracle, they have driven me to defend people I hate like Setka. His union work aside, I want to know exactly what he said about Saint Rosie to decide whether it was inexcusable.

    He said her campaign had reduced men’s rights. i.e. the truth.

  56. Confused Old Misfit

    ans ce pays-ci, il est bon de tuer de temps en temps un amiral pour encourager les autres.

    Mais oui, bien sûr!

  57. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    It’s now been universally proven that Assad wasn’t behind the gassing.

    How?

    Selling oil in Euros not USD was the death knell for Saddam.

    I don’t even think the US has pursued a strong dollar policy except in name only since Robert Rubin announced it in 1995. The schtick about the RMB being manipulated is rather weak, unless the Chinese want to alter their interest rates based off the changes in US M0/M1 supply. Even Iraq’s oil sales would barely affect the USD price.

  58. Tel

    Iran has everything to gain from this., I would say there is a back channel message to back off the sanctions or else the attacks will continue.

    If it was you in that position, give me your best estimate of this “back channel” message being successful.

  59. feelthebern

    It’s now been universally proven that Assad wasn’t behind the gassing.

    By Glenn Greenwald & his mates at the Intercept.

  60. Stimpson J. Cat

    It’s always the feckless Muppets in far off foreign climes at the very back of the line who are first to want a war.
    No one is stopping you from buying a plane ticket.
    You’ve seen John Wick, it’s exactly like that.
    Off you go.
    Just pretend they killed your dog.
    It’s that easy.

  61. bespoke

    Not for Beta MX5 drivers.

  62. feelthebern

    I was always of the view that the Russians had nothing to gain by shooting that airline down in the Ukraine.
    But then when the Intercept & Der Spiegel did their tome on the matter with proof & serial numbers, that changed my view.
    Some Russians did shoot down that plane.
    Whether Putin knew about it or not is another matter.

  63. MatrixTransform

    I just connected a 6kW solar system on the house Friday.
    Not to save the plantet from CO2 bubbles but because the VikGov just gave me 2250 to do so and all you bastards without it are subsidising my consumption.
    Thanks.

    Speaking of Stuxnet…

    So I added a pot forward for ModbusTCP to my home router and set up some industrial-strength data monitoring from the interwebs and this morning I’m watching and charting the Solar output from my roof.

    The interesting this is that Im logging both grid voltage and frequency as well.
    When the sun comes on and off, the local grid voltage has been swinging from 240V to about 253V (which is where Aussie Solar Inverters beg in to curtail output)

    That’s all us micro-generators playing havoc with the grid regulation.

    Im kind of lucky because Im near the end of a grid spur and the voltage is generally low so when I generate I get to push energy out.

    Last week I saw a place in Richmond where the local standing grid voltage is about 251V all day.
    Good luck pumping anything out to the grid

  64. Knuckle Dragger

    Shit.

    Apologies, gents. In my excitement I forgot The Wall.

    Stand by.

  65. Tel

    It’s now been universally proven that Assad wasn’t behind the gassing.

    How?

    There’s been many gas attacks, but the Douma one was the subject of a leaked internal report from the OPCW where they saw signs of staging. The OPCW have accepted that the report is real, but unofficial, while the official report took away any mention of staging.

    https://alethonews.com/2019/05/16/opcw-confirm-leaked-report-is-genuine/

    Clearly some people inside the OPCW felt their opinions were not being heard, and should be. Use your own judgement how strong this proof might be. In the other OPCW reports there were a number of mustard gas attacks being used by the Sunni rebels, AGAINST Assads troops, but those didn’t get as much news reporting.

  66. Arky

    We go there so that they don’t come here. It’s that simple.

    ..
    How did that work out for the Germans in the 1940s?
    How did it work out for Carthage?
    ..
    Dan Crenshaw proves that a charming and courageous cockhead is still a cockhead.

  67. Stimpson J. Cat

    Imagine assuming sovereign countries are behind all these actions and reactions rather than the drab reality of mechanical market maneuvers of profit obsessed corporate interests.
    Hilarity!

  68. Black Ball

    Ah Sports Sunday never fails does it? 5 white people tut tutting over Adam Goodes. Again. Andrew Webster is quite stupid.

  69. John Constantine

    https://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/news/victoria/cfa-split-daniel-andrews-tradeoff-dilemma/news-story/9cbac1243c0fffad8aca5d8bb70d47e1?fbclid=IwAR1fopX0McqTngjeBS3SBJUu7Mynb-Ul_Ebv5qhmvJHucXKn6_gMaR1chS8

    VICTORIA is closer to a ban on duck shooting than at any time in the past three decades, the state’s most prominent anti-hunt campaigner says.
    Hopes rising: Anti-duck hunting campaigner Laurie Levy.

    DUCK HUNTING

    Coalition Against Duck Hunting campaign director Laurie Levy says legislation to outlaw the practice is being drawn up by Animal Justice MP Andy Meddick, with the latter testing support among Labor MPs.

    “Andy is very close to getting that proposed legislation across the line. It’s up to Labor MPs. If there’s enough support within the Labor Party, we will see the ban finally in place by the end of the year,” Mr Levy said.

    “I would say most Labor MPs support a ban on this cruel and barbaric practice. If the Premier (Daniel Andrews) allowed a conscience vote on Andy’s bill, then it would pass because there are Coalition and crossbench MPs that also support a ban.”

    Western Australia was the first state in the nation to outlaw duck hunting under then premier Carmen Lawrence in 1990.

    The newly elected NSW Carr Government followed five years later and Queensland also banned the sport in 2005.

  70. Knuckle Dragger

    By Terry Brown. Behold the brilliance.
    ……

    On a soggy Saturday arvo, three quarters and seven cans in, no place in the world was finer than One Eye Hill at Victoria Park.
    Amenities? It lacked the lot, and so what? Who cared?
    Rain kept the toxic cloud from the urinals down. VB stayed cold in rigid steel cans that stuck to your flesh, and you can only get so wet, right? More fun than footy now.
    If we wanted warm, cosy, or nice even, we would have gone to the Hopetoun Tea Rooms.
    Footy is not about niceties, though. It was always about the opposite.
    For three hours you could randomly, or pointedly, howl at the players, umps and footy gods, insanely cold until all feeling went, steam coming off your booing. You could bait total strangers too, a personal favourite.

    Every bit of crap your boss and life had thrown at you since the Saturday before flooded down the hill like noisy mustard gas, better out than in.
    The best part was the banter. There was an art to it. “Baldheaded flog” and “green maggot” would not have made it off the bench, such was the quality.
    You needed a thick skin to be at the footy anyway, if only because there were no puffy parkas back then.
    “Duck down” was a panicked scream as a kick-to-kick Sherrin tried to scalp some child. St John’s must’ve treated more kids than a Nimbin measles ward.
    Lucky ones would get it in the forehead, laces out, branded clearly for show-and-tell at school.

    Duffel jackets, beanies, bonds singlets, long sleeve knitted footy jumpers and the obligatory beer overcoat were in vogue when football was pure.
    On a wet day you’d go home several kilos heavier and a lot wittier and better looking.
    There were no video screens, sushi, armrests, chairs or inflatable advertising clap sticks, but somehow we survived.
    No multiple roaming flogs wielding microphones like alien probes.
    There was no escape from the rain, sure, but no real problem either.
    Yeah, footy had it all before the league fixed it up.

    Back in the day Ross Oakley, the chief, kept a straight face and said they didn’t want to own the game. They were just custodians of the treasure.
    The difficulty is that the AFL is that dodgy caretaker who steals your silver bit by bit, sending you broke and wondering if you’re mad? With loud barracking an official caution now, we’re down to the bent fish forks.
    It is hard to point to the exact moment the AFL got fair dinkum about despoiling the game. They never ask, of course. Stuff just turns up like something on your sole.
    How do people come to be the AFL chief, and who votes for them, and who votes for those people, all the way down the AFL centipede?

    I’d bet it’s a long time since any of them got wet at the footy, or sat in Row ZZ bleeding from the ears to Nickelback maybe, or drank water labelled beer out of plastic. Betcha.
    The rot set in when? The murders of Waverley, the Roys and South? Culling the crepe paper flogger? Branded ovals?

    Light blue M&M navy blues, Captain Carlton’s hovercraft, the annual joke that is the draw, changing the songs and hoping no one notices, plastic cups of mid-strength fluids best left in Pathology? The list is longer than the MCG goalsquare, er, rectangle.
    Maybe it was when the hills and standing room were morphed into individual plastic buckets to keep fans contained.
    Booked seats stopped you randomly consorting, the ground DJ stopped you talking and, if you were near a speaker, ever hearing again.
    Everything the AFL touches, it screws up then presses ahead with unfazed, in the certain knowledge fans got it wrong again.
    Every-poll-ever says to leave the big one alone, and every year until Gill gets fireworks the league will cough up the rancid furball of an idea that is a Twilight Grand Final.

    They already killed the replay without asking, the one that gave two clubs fans a bonus week’s bliss and some hope of going, but plays hell with the fly-ins and corporates. Boo.
    Twilight Sunday games, megawalls, exhibition matches, Roaming Brian, Channel 7 in every nook and orifice, the jumping castle they run-through in Perth that looks nothing like an eagle? Who asked for any of it?

    AFLX, under any merciful God, would be taken out the back of Etihad/Marvel/Colonial/Docklands Stadium and dropped in the harbour, weighed securely down by chipped-off corporate signage and oversized zooper goalposts.
    The sooner Me-Too claims KissCam, the better. You can’t yell flog, but you can still penetrate a stranger with your tongue.

    The core problem is the AFL doesn’t much like football, especially its lack of showbiz and its rough ways. Pity the players.
    Nuns drink more and spend less time around hospitals and schools. The league has cracked down on drugs too, unless they’re sold at Chemist Warehouse, who sponsor the injuries — ghouls.
    The league contracted buggering the tickets up to Ticketek, too busy were they watering the beer, scheduling Chinese matches and inventing rules nobody can umpire without looking like a flog.

    Now the best available reserved MCG seats come with an unobstructed view of 30,000 better empty ones.
    The video review system has great views too and provides exclusive and conclusive content to Channel 7 — but not the umps, whose cock-ups are then replayed from nine angles in slow-mo.

    No wonder they are grumpy and are taking it out on fans who correctly identify the floggishness of their haphazard ways.
    (If they do not like being derided, perhaps don’t dress like leprechauns?)

    Joffa has had it up to his beanie and he is not alone, but how do you stand up for footy when there’s no standing room?
    It is enough to make you scream, except that’s a prohibited weapon now.
    No, it’s check your passion at Gate 5, I guess. Bite your tongue or, if KissCam’s on, someone else’s? That’s OK with the AFL.
    Flogs.

    ………………..

    I will read this with my dying breath.

  71. Rockdoctor

    OB, last time I visited Airlie was in the early 90s. Thought overpriced then. As a youngster at the time soon learned Cairns was much better bang for buck in block times off. 1 slab drive up from Townsville usually in someone’s shitbox, obligatory stops at pubs at Ingham, Cardwell & Innisfail Am curious they still have the Woolshed nightclub in Cairns? Used to great for cheap booze, backpacker ladies & dancing on tables…

  72. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Reposted from the Assange thread:

    Kneel, J.H., everyone:

    Once again, why bother obeying the law?

    We live in a country where:

    1. We can have retrospective criminal law.
    2. We can have criminal law targeting an individual.
    3. The legislature can create deeming provisions to get around what has been declared unconstitutional.
    4. We have statutes of limitations subject to legislative whim.
    5. We have strict and absolute criminal liability, as well as civil offences which do not require the same standard of proof as criminal liability.
    6. There is no guarantee of a jury trial, even Federally where you simply cannot be tried “not on indictment”. Forget other nonsense like majority jury verdicts for the moment.
    7. You can be indicted simply by a matter of administrative law – a senior crown prosecutor signs an indictment, you may never be party to a commital before a magistrate or a judge, no US style grand jury.
    8. No double jeopardy – people have been retried multiple times for the same crimes until the prosecution strikes paydirt.
    9. Criminal law provisions can see post sentencing restrictions on people if the persona designata doctrine is not breached (basically an extension of no double jeopardy)

    Why bother obeying the law – you can be put in gaol for obeying the law.

  73. candy

    I reckon Albo will change his tune on Setka shortly.
    Otherwise in 2 years time when Setka is still running the CFMMEU, Albo will look pretty silly.

    I think if Setka is found guilty of harassment and stalking of the lady in question in the case coming up, the unions as a whole will look very silly for their big stand on DV.

    If he is found guilty and yet he stays on, Albo has to do something drastic otherwise he is a target in Question Time for ever more. So Setka staying on is the LNP dream.

  74. Rae

    These Calli posts are becoming dangerously Lizzie like.
    Soon she will be writing a book and stoushing with other female cats.
    Seriously thinking of revoking your man pass Calli.
    You have been warned.

    Lol.

  75. John Constantine

    INDUSTRY experts warn a ban on 1080 would lead to a population explosion of wild dogs and foxes that would devastate agriculture and drive already vulnerable native species into extinction.
    1080

    Centre for Invasive Species Solutions chief executive Andreas Glanznig said 1080 was vital in protecting threatened species and livestock and a vast amount of research had shown there was no viable alternative.

    But a ban on 1080 is a top priority for Animal Justice Party MP Andy Meddick, who convened a national summit on the poison in Melbourne last August.

    Mr Meddick has gained the support of Derryn Hinch, who attended the 1080 Summit and has two Derryn Hinch Justice Party MPs in Victoria’s Upper House.

    The Greens also support a 1080 ban, creating a powerful bloc of four MPs, in an upper house where Labor holds 18 of the 40 seats, thus needing three crossbench votes to pass its legislation.

    Their hinch, using his access to donor livers to make the country a little more tyrannical every year.

    Comrades.

  76. feelthebern

    Even though there are other unions involved with Cbus, you’d have rocks in your head if you don’t think the CFMMEU isn’t the first amongst equals.
    Every time you see a Cbus super ad, think of John Setka getting a clip.

  77. feelthebern

    Isn’t shooting better than baiting?

  78. Arky

    Isn’t shooting better than baiting?

    ..
    Don’t you bait in order to shoot?

  79. Black Ball

    A brilliant read Dragger. Perfectly encapsulates punters frustration. Went to report on a local football match for the rag, much better product than what’s served up in the big smoke. Ooops, I used the word product. Hang me from the lamp post.

  80. bespoke

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3043897, posted on June 16, 2019 at 12:19 pm

    Meh!

  81. Bruce in WA

    Western Australia was the first state in the nation to outlaw duck hunting under then premier Carmen Lawrence in 1990.

    And she is still loathed by anyone on the land who finds their dams fouled with slippery slimy duck shit.

  82. Black Ball

    New growth sector for our economy. Behaviour Management Officer at the AFL. FMD.

  83. Stackja:

    A year after Che Guevara’s tantrum against “filthy f*ggots!” the regime he co-founded began herding tens of thousands of Cuban men and boys into forced labor camps for the crime of fluttering their eyelashes, flapping their hands, wearing tight pants, talking with a lisp, listening to rock music, etc.

    But Gays love identity politics. It sets them apart and gives them power over ‘Breeders”
    Turkeys voting for Thanksgiving, because being separate from everyone also self selects for when some autocratic thug decides they need someone to blame for their all too avoidable stuff ups.

  84. John Constantine

    Fox shooting has its place as a cleanup and short term cull, but for large scale district area denial to predators, baiting programs, including the crown land/parks/forest/scrub are the gold standard.

    Australian natives have a low level immunity to 1080 [ native australian toxin] so it is introduced ferals hardest hit.

    Baiting also culls the restocking effect as ferals move in from the edges of the bait zone to claim the empty territory.

    Not saying to bait hinch, just to not give the bastard yet another liver when he stuffs this one too.

    Comrades.

  85. Shy Ted

    Bwing back Bawwie. Another insufferable episode of Insiders heard on the wireless on morning walk. Peter Dutton did well but he needs to hammer the ALP and ABC interviewers which brings me to the topic of I’mabelle Crab. Some years ago I was dating a lady with an IQ of 160 who achieved a short period of fame for being very, very clever. Most of the socializing was amongst the Adelaide legal elite, most of whom were thoroughly nice and charming people with a small number being thoroughly obnoxious after a few very expensive drinks. They were all students at Adelaide uni 30 or so years previously and all held or pretended to hold left wing views despite doing very nicely indeed, Adelaide uni being the nascence of these views. In student days, so the lady genius told me, I’mabelle Crab was one of their number and stood out for her intellect and beauty.
    The genius and I had many a political conversation, being polar opposites, but these were pretty one-sided ABC-type conversations, she being much more articulate than I and much more talkative. One day we talked about I’mabelle and the ABC and she was pretty horrified to hear that I turned the TV off as soon as I heard her voice and, no, I didn’t find her beautiful or intelligent, I found her quite dumb, a typical lefty. I usually adopt the “where does the money that pays for all these things come from?” argument in such discussions because it’s indisputable.
    Such conversations with your run of the mill lefty usually creates an enemy but for the genius it was like an aphrodisiac and for me the sheer interestingness of the places she took me and the characters I met were straight out of Rumpole made me hang around a bit longer than I normally would. At uni she’d be known as a fag hag (hangs around with the gay men despite being straight) and she took great joy in watching Adelaide’ Quentin Crisp types hover around her new boy, hoping. As time went by and the people and places became more alternative, far too much so for an old square like me, we went our separate ways but occasionally I rub shoulders with a somewhat important Adelaide character I met from those days and we know a little bit about each other and I feel them thinking, “I do hope he never tells”.
    Quick question for Cat chaps – is I’mabelle Crab attractive and intelligent and it’s the faux leftyness I can’t get past or is she just a 5/10?

  86. Beachcomber

    Great Liberty Quote

    Western civilisation has been transformed from the love child of Christianity and the Enlightenment into a malformed neo-Marxist culture where minority groups manufactured for political purposes are bestowed with special privileges by the state.

    — Jennifer Oriel

  87. Stimpson J. Cat

    Some years ago I was dating a lady with an IQ of 160

    Yes but could she cook?
    IQ is wasted on Women unless they are using a Foxtel box.
    Everyone knows this.

  88. Duncanm:

    The greater idiocy of the lower entry marks for engineers, is that I’m fairly sure we don’t have an engineer shortage – its all about bolstering revenue for the university with more sausages out.

    Yes. Australian Universities are burning the main selling point – excellence – for short term cash and bugger all return.

  89. feelthebern

    Most ABC types when subjected to the non-ABC bubble are shown to be intellectual light weights.

  90. Top Ender

    From memory Admiral Byng was the only admiral to be ever executed.

    Could be wrong.

    There have been indeed a lot of army generals who should have been shot.

    Gideon Pillow was pretty hopeless. Obviously he should have started by changing his name.

  91. Woolfe

    At least the AFL still has crowds, Rugby Australia has ensured the “crowds” are only the players families.

    Maybe Raelene can move over to AFL and show them how it is really done?

  92. feelthebern

    If Louise Milligan wasn’t the at the ABC there would have been zero chance of her work of fiction being published.
    Even the BBC has better journalistic standards than the ABC.

  93. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    If it was you in that position, give me your best estimate of this “back channel” message being successful.

    What is there to loose? Trump has stated he isn’t interested in wars and he thinks himself a deal maker. They probably estimate that Trump may do something in retaliation but shit happens. It’s a long shot but the sanction are going to hurt, so doing something is better than doing nothing. I would bet there is a private approach to negotiate from either side very shortly, if the attacks stop then I would say that talks are happening.

    The attacks could be a sunni group trying to stir up a war, but unlikely.

  94. rickw

    Isn’t shooting better than baiting?

    Yes, provided you open up all the state controlled land to shooting.

  95. mh

    He said her campaign had reduced men’s rights. i.e. the truth.

    Setka says this was upon legal advice. His job as an advocate of rights is to be across this stuff.

    Labor is smarting over their unexpected defeat and want to punish Setka for backing coal jobs. They thought this could be spun so that everyone would be outraged and Setka would have no chance of remaining.

    Labor could be wrong on this one.

  96. rickw

    “Andy is very close to getting that proposed legislation across the line. It’s up to Labor MPs. If there’s enough support within the Labor Party, we will see the ban finally in place by the end of the year,” Mr Levy said.

    How does Levy keep getting air time?

    Good to see Labor continuing to screw the pastimes of the working man.

  97. Woolfe

    Went out for dinner last night with a couple who get their news / views from ABC.

    Got onto to Brexit, he said the plebs did not understand what it meant and thus voted leave, I said do you not believe in democracy for which he had no answer. Also pointed out unelected eurocrats in Brussels, fact that Trump would do an awesome trade deal with them and what did they do before the common market?

    He immediately turned to eveeeeel Trump and I then asked if he did not like blacks and Hispanics being employed and why he wanted soldiers killed in wars they were not allowed to win?

    Conversation moved on. These people really have no idea do they?

  98. cohenite

    So your strategy is to smear me, because you don’t like people smearing you … makes total sense, except that you actually started it, and your extremist anti-RoP comments have been coming out for years so you have nothing to hide behind.

    There is absolutely zero evidence that Iraq ever had anything to do with 9/11 and if you want to argue against that then try finding some evidence instead of using funny words as if that was an argument.

    That’s a strange comment. Of course I’ll smear people who smear me; actually I said verballed in response to your hand-wringing comments about my attitude to the RoP. My position is plain and WTF would I hide about RoP; my position is quarantine or destroy; otherwise you’re stuffed. That’s not extreme, it’s a position really sane people like Clive Kessler and Ayaan Hirsi take. Both of these and others come to that position through years of study and experience that the RoP can’t be changed and domesticated as Christianity has been. Of course Christianity is now paying the price at the hands of the RoP and it’s bed partner, the left.

    Now in the interests of reciprocity, what is your view on the RoP?

    Finally WTF are you talking about Iraq? Bin Laden did 9/11 after his proxies tried and failed in 1993. The bushes wanted to nail saddam and who can blame them; on the basis of some superficially pressing evidence he was associated with bin laden they finally did nail him, in a round about sort of way but failed to control the void the bastard left.

    Anyway we’ve strayed from the immediate topic which is the Iranians are pulling the yanks chain as they have done many times before like all good little provocateurs to see if Trump is like the cockless Obama; he’s not obviously and will do his due diligence and hopefully destroy the Iranian navy in due course and keep them nuclear free

  99. Knuckle Dragger

    That Levy freak has been banging on about ducks for well over 35 years, since I was a strip of a lad in country Vic.

    It would appear that three decades of dumping expired poultry on Parliament House steps has come to naught.

  100. Crossie

    Iran has everything to gain from this., I would say there is a back channel message to back off the sanctions or else the attacks will continue.

    Zippy is right, Iran have nothing to lose, their economy is in dire straits so they need to do something.

    What I found very interesting last week is that a Japanese delegation reportedly visits Iran and then a Japanese ship is attacked in the Strait of Hormuz. What was the message there?

  101. Could we issue a recall notice on hunches liver?
    Would repossession be a better option?

  102. Brettw:

    Lifelong member of the Civil Service who was already at the top level in 1997. Interestingly she and her husband and kids were British citizens although she renounced her British citizenship to take the top job. Only a few years ago she indicated she was going to retire to the UK countryside. Her pension from her HK service would be a huge amount of money upon which to retire.

    Since her kids no longer live in HK she had no skin in the game regarding the future of the place. So when she does retire she won’t have to walk around amongst the people whose wishes she is going against.

    It seems to be a recurring theme – decisions made by people with no skin in the game and a comfortable retirement ahead of them.

  103. cohenite

    Shy Ted

    #3043917, posted on June 16, 2019 at 12:44 pm

    Yeah, but did she fuck?

  104. Black Ball

    Well I am a black man, but this saturation now of sports kowtowing to a minority is rather condascending and affront to those who wish to be free from politics when watching sports. Now netball is a great sport, hot women running around glistening. But it’s Indigenous Round for Super Netball. Name me one netball champion that is Aboriginal. Answers on a postcard.

  105. Muddy

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3043897, posted on June 16, 2019 at 12:19 pm

    Thanks for posting that, Knuckle. Good stuff.
    Up there Cazaly!

  106. Leigh Lowe

    Black Ball

    #3043895, posted on June 16, 2019 at 12:16 pm

    Ah Sports Sunday never fails does it? 5 white people tut tutting over Adam Goodes. Again. Andrew Webster is quite stupid.

    A new PB for me.
    0.38 seconds from the time Goode’s name was mentioned until the off button was hit.

  107. Knuckle Dragger

    Apropos of coming to naught:

    It is now virtually certain that internationally-acclaimed homo bookshop owner (read: amyl nitrite distributor) and featureperson of the Melbourne gay community, Mr. Whatsisname has realised that the broken arm he got courtesy of VicPol kicking in random doors to flog any pooves found inside will not, as he had apparently hoped, result in a movie deal.

    Still spends a lot of his time at the ‘gym’ though. Apparently. Allegedly.

  108. Tom

    Shy Ted, Annabel Crabb is indeed a 5/10 — 5.5 at best. She’s a frumpy frumpetty frump who appeals to lefty beta males yearning for someone to walk them like a dog.

  109. Nick

    A new PB for me.
    0.38 seconds from the time Goode’s name was mentioned until the off button was hit.

    Racist! 😉

  110. Black Ball

    A new PB for me.
    0.38 seconds from the time Goode’s name was mentioned until the off button was hit.

    I will celebrate this effort by having a long lunch. Excellent work Leigh Lowe. 😂

  111. Bruce in WA

    Fox shooting has its place as a cleanup and short term cull

    WA farmers and shooters have had a good deal of success at shooting foxes and assorted other ferals via Red Card. From memory it was about 6000 feral pests last year.

    http://www.redcard.org.au/past-shoots

  112. max

    Victoria.
    You can kill off your old grandma from Tuesday, but you can’t kill ducks.

  113. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #3043937, posted on June 16, 2019 at 1:05 pm

    Look Out Twitter….

    So Goldman’s sister suing Simpson for 25 years doesn’t count for harassment?

    The public can go and fuck themselves. Who says the sister isn’t dining out on this and her mental health is for the better with this crusade?

    The mob would have hanged Lindy Chamberlain, the CP5 and so on.

    Simpson reckoned the Las Vegas thing was getting stuff back that was stolen (yeah…ok).

    If “OJ did it”, why did the jury vote the other way? Why did the officer who found the most culpable evidence commit perjury?

    I’m not sure many people remember that the star prosecution witness in the OJ trial actually committed perjury. Ah, guilt so obvious the cops commit perjury. WTF?

    I don’t think anyone needed to committ perjury in the trial of Ivan Milat.

    The pile on by the public is fucked.

  114. Knuckle Dragger

    Last day off for three weeks.

    Therefore, a pre-football siesta is appropriate.

  115. duncanm

    cohenite
    #3043950, posted on June 16, 2019 at 1:25 pm

    Surfs up in new zealandistan:

    Tsunami warning after massive 7.4 earthquake hits the Kermadec Islands – north of New Zealand in the Pacific Ocean

    https://www.civildefence.govt.nz/

    Tsunami
    No tsunami threat to New Zealand
    Sunday 16 Jun – last updated 11:45 am

    The beach and marine tsunami warning has been cancelled.

    There is no tsunami threat to New Zealand following the magnitude 7.0 Kermadec Islands region earthquake at 10.55am.

    Based on current information, the initial assessment is that the earthquake is unlikely to have caused a tsunami that will pose a threat to New Zealand.

  116. Cassie of Sydney

    “and your extremist anti-RoP comments have been coming out for years so you have nothing to hide behind.”

    So Tel…you don’t think that FGM, child marriage, the killing of apostates, the persecution of religious minorities such as Christianity, Jooooodaism, Yazidis etc …all of which are endemic in Muesli majority countries, are NOT extreme?

    I bet some of those Yazidi girls, rescued from sexual slavery in Iraq and Syria, have rather extremist anti-RoP views….and really…who could blame them? In fact over the years I have had many, many conversations with Copts, Armenians, Bahais and Joooos whose parents or grandparents fled or migrated from RoP countries and their views on the RoP make Cohenite’s look rather mild.

  117. cohenite

    Astounding comment about the Chernobyl series by the abc:

    The scientists investigating Chernobyl repeatedly attempted to sound the alarm, warning Soviet Union officials that the problem was bigger than one reactor as poison spread across Eastern Europe (one study predicts by 2065 the disaster could cause 16,000 cases of thyroid cancer and 25,000 cases of other cancers).

    Today, scientists are trying to warn us of an existential threat to our health and safety: climate change. Once again, government drags its feet.

    If we take anything from Chernobyl, it should be this: put science before politics.

    Chernobyl was a product of communism not the nuclear industry which indeed put ideology and politics ahead of science; this of course is what is happening with alarmism where ideology and politics are subverting science. Alarmism is the new Chernobyl!

  118. cohenite

    their views on the RoP make Cohenite’s look rather mild

    Everything about me is mild.

  119. Knuckle Dragger

    Of course, Sami Lukis is correct. Dick dates have been a thing for yonks, and are top shelf. The only thing is, in this day and age it is acceptable for it to be a thing.

    It has always been happening. Always. The Moral Inquisition can howl as hard as it likes, but it’s always been the way. Sometimes it leads to something more concrete, sometimes not.

    As long as both parties are honest in their intentions, it’s a great step forward in human evolution. Would be a bit ordinary to lead someone on, though. Poor darts.

    The Inquisition might also like to note that they would be surprised at some of the people who ‘would never behave like that’. Trust me, they do. Yes, even those ones. Especially the ones who don’t tell Mumsy about it.

  120. Cassie of Sydney

    “cohenite

    Everything about me is mild.”

    I have no doubts about that Cohenite.

  121. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Bloody hell. I may well end up believing no one is guilty.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._J._Simpson_murder_case#Evidence_presented_to_the_jury

    Much of the incriminating evidence – bloody glove, bloody socks, blood in and on the Bronco – was discovered by LAPD Detective Mark Fuhrman. He was later charged with perjury for falsely claiming during the trial that he had not used the word “nigger” within ten years of the trial. Later during the trial, with the jury absent, he invoked the Fifth Amendment against self-incrimination when asked “did you plant or manufacture any evidence in this case?”[64] In a 2016 interview, Dershowitz suggested that Detective Philip Vannatter – not Fuhrman – may have planted evidence on socks, based upon the presence of anti-coagulant in the blood discovered on the socks.[65] Dershowitz said that the jury may have concluded that if the bloody socks were fabricated by the police, then other evidence may have been fabricated as well.[65] F.B.I. expert testimony said that the defense exaggerated the significance of the presence of the anti-coagulant.[66]

    So OJ was walking around with a rare disease where his body pumps out commercially made anti-coagulant?

    Some of the worst evidence:

    DNA analysis of blood on a left-hand glove, found outside Brown’s home, showed that it was a mixture of Simpson’s, Brown’s, and Goldman’s blood. Although the glove was soaked in blood, there were no blood drops leading up to, or away from the glove. No other blood was found in the area of the glove except on the glove.

    (Not presented to the jury)

    At the June 1994 grand jury hearing, Ross Cutlery provided store receipts indicating that Simpson had purchased a 12-inch (305 mm) stiletto knife from salesman Jose Camacho six weeks before the murders. The knife was determined to be similar to the one the coroner said caused the stab wounds. The prosecution did not present this evidence at trial after discovering that Camacho had sold his story to the National Enquirer for $12,500.

    The knife was later collected from Simpson’s residence by his attorneys; they presented it to Judge Ito and it was subsequently sealed in a manila envelope to be opened only if brought up at trial. This was not the murder weapon: tests on the knife determined that an oil used on new cutlery was still present on the knife, indicating it had never been used. The police searched Simpson’s estate three times and could not find this knife. Simpson told his attorneys exactly where it was in the house and it was promptly recovered.[69]

    WTF?

  122. Black Ball

    Just me or does Sami Lukis come across as, well, a bit of a whore?

    Meanwhile, the goal attack for Firebirds pitted against her direct opponent is fascinating viewing.

  123. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Bloody hell. I may well end up believing no one is guilty.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._J._Simpson_murder_case#Evidence_presented_to_the_jury

    Much of the incriminating evidence – bloody glove, bloody socks, blood in and on the Bronco – was discovered by LAPD Detective Mark Fuhrman. He was later charged with perjury for falsely claiming during the trial that he had not used the word “n1bbA” within ten years of the trial. Later during the trial, with the jury absent, he invoked the Fifth Amendment against self-incrimination when asked “did you plant or manufacture any evidence in this case?”[64] In a 2016 interview, Dershowitz suggested that Detective Philip Vannatter – not Fuhrman – may have planted evidence on socks, based upon the presence of anti-coagulant in the blood discovered on the socks.[65] Dershowitz said that the jury may have concluded that if the bloody socks were fabricated by the police, then other evidence may have been fabricated as well.[65] F.B.I. expert testimony said that the defense exaggerated the significance of the presence of the anti-coagulant.[66]

    So OJ was walking around with a rare disease where his body pumps out commercially made anti-coagulant?

    Some of the worst evidence:

    DNA analysis of blood on a left-hand glove, found outside Brown’s home, showed that it was a mixture of Simpson’s, Brown’s, and Goldman’s blood. Although the glove was soaked in blood, there were no blood drops leading up to, or away from the glove. No other blood was found in the area of the glove except on the glove.

    (Not presented to the jury)

    At the June 1994 grand jury hearing, Ross Cutlery provided store receipts indicating that Simpson had purchased a 12-inch (305 mm) stiletto knife from salesman Jose Camacho six weeks before the murders. The knife was determined to be similar to the one the coroner said caused the stab wounds. The prosecution did not present this evidence at trial after discovering that Camacho had sold his story to the National Enquirer for $12,500.

    The knife was later collected from Simpson’s residence by his attorneys; they presented it to Judge Ito and it was subsequently sealed in a manila envelope to be opened only if brought up at trial. This was not the murder weapon: tests on the knife determined that an oil used on new cutlery was still present on the knife, indicating it had never been used. The police searched Simpson’s estate three times and could not find this knife. Simpson told his attorneys exactly where it was in the house and it was promptly recovered.[69]

    WTF?

  124. Knuckle Dragger

    Cassie,

    The Yazidi girls’ comments are invalid.

    Their views ‘have been coloured by their own experience’, Ali-style.

  125. mh

    The globalist funded Planned Parenthood gives the middle finger to Alabama legislature

    Planned Parenthood building large women’s clinic in Alabama despite abortion law

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/planned-parenthood-building-large-womens-clinic-in-alabama-despite-abortion-law

  126. Knuckle Dragger

    Well I don’t want to give her money, BB, if that’s what you mean.

  127. Knuckle Dragger

    Hirsaan Ali.

    Not Muhammad Ali.

    Freakin’ obviously.

  128. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    I feel sorry for that TV/radio LAAADY.

    https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/lifestyle/stellar/sami-lukis-ive-been-dating-for-30-years/news-story/e3b84257b469b3c80c0091b207652d7e

    No man in Australia was ever good enough for her. She was top crumpet long ago.

    Maybe it’s because I refused to settle?”

    “We’re not all sitting at home eating cat food in a dark room. I’m happily single and we need to empower people to be single. I just haven’t met the right guy. Maybe I never will. Maybe I’m not meant to be married. But I’m still meant to enjoy my life.”

    She dated media celebrities and B listers that aren’t celebs but people who were top of their game.

    Only billionaires ever only get one Alan Bond. She could have settled for a guy worth 500 mn.

  129. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    This is insane

    Tim Pool
    Published on Jun 15, 2019
    Youtube Has Censored My Video About Censorship, Yes Seriously. Recently there was a big story released by James O’Keefe and Project Veritas about Pinterest censoring conservatives. The story was covered by many outlets including far left and leftist digital media.

    Youtube Has Censored My Video About Censorship, Yes Seriously

  130. Zippy:

    Iran has everything to gain from this., I would say there is a back channel message to back off the sanctions or else the attacks will continue.

    Just an interesting thought I had.
    Who would benefit from a closed transport route?
    Not the Iranian people – their leaders would just love a war to “Unite the people.”
    Definitely not Europe – they get their oil from the ME and Russia.
    Russia would love it – “just a little price rise for the inconvenience, Frau Merkel.”
    Not the US – they pump more oil than they can burn.
    So many winners and losers.
    The US would do more for regime change by dropping cartons of pistols in the Iranian villages that suffered most from the last Mullah brain fart.

  131. duncanm

    more info on LFTR’s.. not just the good stuff
    https://whatisnuclear.com/msr.html

  132. Crossie

    Yes. Australian Universities are burning the main selling point – excellence – for short term cash and bugger all return.

    First, the Australian universities are in the business of obtaining as much federal funding as possible so large enrolments are a vehicle to that end.

    Second, Australian universities are a vehicle to permanent residency for overseas students.

  133. Top Ender

    For $112k large you would think they could have done a better job…

    BMW X5 XDrive30D review: it’ll drive you nuts… and not in a good way

    JEREMY CLARKSON
    COLUMNIST
    THE WEEKEND AUSTRALIAN MAGAZINE

    When the first BMW X5 came along, it was obvious the engineers had spasmed and writhed in torment over how such a big, heavy car would sit in the showrooms of a company famed for making “the ultimate driving machine”. They did their best and put it on sale with tyres that were broader than a rugby player’s thighs. And because its contact patch with the road was measurable in hectares, it sort of worked. You could really hustle and it wouldn’t wobble about like an amateur marathon runner’s legs when the finish line was in sight.

    That was a long time ago, though, and thanks to awful cars such as the X2 and the X3 – the latter a car that’s so dull it makes my teeth itch – BMW can no longer claim to be guardian of the cup from which the god of petrol drank his last. It’s just another car maker. It still makes some tremendous cars but as often as not its new models are just kitchen units with windscreen wipers.

    All of which brings me to the new X5. The new model no longer has fat tyres – because there would be too much rolling resistance, and that would make a polar bear’s house melt. Instead, it has a massive grille. This, then, is a car that shouts, from about five miles away: “I am a BMW.” And that would be fine if it were true.

    The car I drove was fitted with a 3-litre twin-turbo diesel that produced 195kW. And that, in a car that weighs almost 2.2 tonnes, is enough – if the car is a Kia or a VW. But it is not enough in a BMW. You put your foot down and you accelerate, but not in a manner that causes much response in the trouser department.

    Handling? Yes, it can do that. And stopping. But at no point do you think, “Oh yeah. This is something special.” What you do think is, “Hang on. Why has the dash just gone crazy? And what’s that bonging noise?” I’m no electronics expert, but it seemed to me that the car’s electronic brain was having to reboot itself every few minutes. I would imagine that this is a fault.

    Or it could just be that it’s too overloaded. This is a car that won’t let you stray out of your lane without indicating. It wrestles the wheel from your grasp if it thinks you’re doing it wrong. And finding the sub-menu that turns off that safety feature is so complicated, you’d need a computer to drive while you find your spectacles and get busy with the mouse.

    Then there are the charge points. I have a dongle thing I plug into these so I can have wi-fi, but the X5 wouldn’t let me do that. Either in the front or the back.

    There’s more. If your passenger talks with his or her arms, and a lot of people do, the volume of the radio goes up or down. And if you put your phone in the centre console, Apple CarPlay is activated whether you want it or not.

    You get the sense, when you run through the endless electronic features on this car – and we haven’t even got to the 15,000 roof lights that were fitted as an option to my test car – that BMW set out to make a car with all the latest gimmicks and gizmos, even though they don’t all work properly. And when they do, the brain that controls them gets so tired that it needs frequent naps. I’ve even heard of one X5 that lost all power to the driver’s door. Mirror. Window. Lock. The lot. That would be really irritating.

    And by concentrating so hard on all this, they didn’t really think about what the traditional BMW driver wants. Which is a bit of old-fashioned analogue fun. Oh, and a lined door pocket, which I’d say isn’t too much to ask for in a car that costs more than $100,000. And a seatbelt that adjusts so smaller drivers don’t have their head sawed off as they drive along.

    It’s a long time since I drove a car with as many design flaws as this. Mostly, reviewing cars is down to taste: “A great car apart from the shape of the gearlever.” That sort of thing. But the X5 is full of stuff that hasn’t been thought through properly. This means that even if you buy the petrol-powered version, which does at least deliver some clout and will make a lovely noise, you’ll still get home in a foul temper because you’ll have spent the journey having a full-on fight with the steering wheel.

    BMW X5 xDrive30d

    Engine: 3.0-litre six-cylinder turbo diesel (195kW/620Nm)

    Average fuel: 7.2 litres per 100km

    Transmission: Eight-speed automatic, all-wheel drive

    Price: From $112,990

    Rating: 2 out of 5 stars

  134. BrettW

    Nick,
    You are right. Governors in HK ended when Chris Patten sailed out of the harbour on 30 June 1997. Chief Executive post 1997.

    Unfortunately for HK most senior civil servants and political leaders, top businessmen etc would, due to high salaries, easily be able to migrate overseas to UK, Canada, Oz etc. They will have overseas passports already. If they sell out the locals it won’t affect them or their families.

  135. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    No man in Australia was ever good enough for her. She was top crumpet long ago.

    “Maybe it’s because I refused to settle?”

    She has psycho eyes in every photo….

  136. Mitch M.

    “Maybe it’s because I refused to settle?”

    She has psycho eyes in every photo….

    Maybe it’s because her partners refused to settle.

  137. BrettW

    MH,
    Labor policies on coal and renewables were definitely not in the interests of many Union members especially the miners in CFMMEU. In Qld even more so with the Union asking Labor candidates to indicate their position on Adani.

    Good on them. However by the same token the miner members should be asking their leaders why funding a party that was not out to protect their jobs. Perhaps they should be demanding more accountability as to where political donations going and make sure not propping up Labor MP’s who don’t support them (ie. Jackie Trad). However their fellow Union members in areas like construction and maritime may have different views. The Union can’t represent all the diverse parts properly now.

  138. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Just me or does Sami Lukis come across as, well, a bit of a whore?

    She seems to embody the worst of the modern aussie female: entitled, self centered and a nutcase. I bet she refuses to go down.

  139. Stimpson J. Cat

    I just haven’t met the right guy.

    I’m right here Sami.
    Leave the boots on.
    You’ve only had Lazy until you’ve had Crazy.
    😁

  140. Notafan

    Veil of ignorance?

    I know for a fact that married men of my acquaintance still see their long term male friends, some of whom are from primary school days.

    Not all women are the same and some men are stupid.

  141. Cassie of Sydney

    This is a good article and worth reading…

    The Rise of Progressive Occultism….Or why Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez felt compelled to share her birth chart.

    https://www.the-american-interest.com/2019/06/07/the-rise-of-progressive-occultism/

  142. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7108281/Woman-reveals-shocking-toxic-femininity-shes-experienced-work.html

    The rise of ‘toxic femininity’: Author reveals female colleagues tricked her into making mistakes so she wouldn’t be promoted and told her everyone hated her – and insists other women create the REAL glass ceiling

    Naomi Joy, 30, of London, experienced toxic female rivalry in PR and marketing
    Rivals have tried to push her out of her job and compete with her outside of work
    Was tricked into making mistakes so colleague would win promotion over her
    Quit job to pen psychological thriller The Liars which is based on her experience

    Gene Simmons said pretty much the same thing as I bolded, over 30 years ago in the documentary The Downfall of Western Civilisation Part II.

  143. Veil of ignorance?

    Good afternoon Nota.

    I know this is going to be hard for you to accept, but skimming through the day’s comments, I find myself pretty much in full agreement with you with regards to relationships.

  144. Some History

    UPDATE on Richmond “safe injecting room”.

    “There has been much hysteria over the last few months. We had to allay the locals’ hysteria by reminding them that the facility – simply a safe injecting space – has a strict ‘no smoking’ policy, even on the surrounding pavement. Once the ‘no smoking’ policy was highlighted, the locals quickly calmed down.
    Well, I have more good, inspiring news to announce today. If you look at the pavement around the facility, you will notice that there is not one cigarette butt to be seen. This is a grand success. We are so impressed that this area will be nominated for an eco-friendly award.”

    https://imgur.com/k5lSUK0

  145. Stimpson J. Cat

    Not all women are the same and some men are stupid.

    Yet even some crazy Men are smart enough to manage to get themselves called Women, be treated like Women, and to completely dominate Women’s sport, to absolutely zero resistance from
    “all these Women who aren’t the same”.
    Who is stupid again?
    Honestly, the first person who manages to harness the incredible power of Women’s stupidity into the unlimited and eternal energy source it truly is will become God.

    😂

  146. Helen

    there is a place in Alaska where the bears cross bred – an isolated group of whitie females (polar) were bred by some grizzlies that swam over to teir lonley island and presto! heres the link.

  147. Stimpson J. Cat

    She has psycho eyes in every photo….

    You cowards.
    This is incredibly attractive.
    😂

  148. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    I’m not dumping on women.

    I’m sick of society dumping on men. Women have to be accountable for their actions. We have gone way past equality and into institutionalised misandry.

    The law is not some facile or abstract thing written on paper nor is it the path of moral virtue that good and happy people follow who consider themselves law abiding.

    It is a terrifying beast that destroys lives, rightly or wrongly and it at times seems like it is not controlled by its master.

    Our laws are biased against men and and this bias is because of our cultural cringe regarding masculinity.

    The result is that men are treated like second class citizens in the eyes of the law.

    No ideology other than cultural Marxism can possibly support this, and not permanently.

  149. Macbeth

    Calli – Emerald Lake. Long ago now, I’m sure the late lovely Lady Macbeth and I stayed in that very same chalet. Beautiful place. A nearby chalet was occupied by two lovely black ladies. All three gone now. Fond memories of a happy journey.

  150. jupes

    As last night’s Carlton-Dogs match drew to a close the Blues supporters, hundreds of them and upset with a decision or two, began yelling ‘bald-headed flog’ at the umpires.

    This is GOLD. The perfect response to the flogs at the AFL.

    Well done Carlton supporters.

  151. Stimpson J. Cat

    I’m not dumping on women.

    I am.
    There is something seriously wrong with them all when even Roosh swears off Women, deletes his books and becomes a Christian.
    You watch,
    Gunner will become a f$cking Buddhist Monk next.
    I really hope the next Terminator film has Grandma Sarah Connor trying to destroy the Skynet Female Sexbots before they are built, because otherwise The Women will become obsolete in our lifetime.

  152. Our laws are biased against men and and this bias is because of our cultural cringe regarding masculinity.

    Good afternoon Dot.

    Obviously these laws were passed by by parliaments with an overwhelming majority of women.
    Then implemented in courts by judges the vast majority of whom are women.

    That about right, Dot?

  153. Confusion for baby polar bears.

    Baby polar bear: “Mum, are sure that I’m not a black bear, a brown bear or a grizzly bear?”
    Mother polar bear: “Why do you ask?”
    Baby polar bear: “Ferken cold innit?”

  154. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    The majority of voters are women because women outlive men and children cannot vote.

    …and yes if men vote for second class citizenship, that is precisely what they will get.

  155. mh

    Stackja, pissing down in Brisbane right now.

  156. Tel

    Who would benefit from a closed transport route?
    Not the Iranian people – their leaders would just love a war to “Unite the people.”
    Definitely not Europe – they get their oil from the ME and Russia.
    Russia would love it – “just a little price rise for the inconvenience, Frau Merkel.”
    Not the US – they pump more oil than they can burn.

    I don’t really think that Russia was involved, but at least there’s a plausible argument that Russia would stand to gain out of higher oil prices and a greater share of the European market. My understanding of the current situation is that Russia exports to both Europe and China so between those two demand for their product easily covers their entire supply.

    https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=33732

    There’s a chart you can see the growth of the Chinese market is soaking up any spare capacity.

  157. Stimpson J. Cat

    That Smart Asian Flex.
    Classic.

    Andrew Yang
    @AndrewYang
    I’m an operator. I figure out the key variables for success in an endeavor and then I optimize for those. You could say I’m good at tests.
    10:09 AM · Jun 15, 2019

  158. duncanm

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    #3043975, posted on June 16, 2019 at 2:30 pm
    She has psycho eyes in every photo….

    I dunno if psycho.. more the ‘thousand cock stare’

  159. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Dzekh Parsonsinov anyone?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_Native_Faith_in_Russia

    Aitamurto observed that a “substantial number” of adherents—and in particular those who had been among the earliest—belonged to the “technical intelligentsia”.[1] Similarly, Shnirelman noted that the founders of Russian Rodnovery were “well-educated urbanized intellectuals” who had become frustrated with “cosmopolitan urban culture”.[2] Physicists were particularly well represented; in this Aitamurto drew comparisons to the high number of computer professionals who were present in the Pagan communities of Western countries.[1] The movement also involved a significant number of people who had a background in the Soviet or Russian Army,[3] or in policing and security.[4] The “vast majority” of Russian Rodnovers were young and there were a greater proportion of men than women.[1] A questionnaire distributed at the Kupala festival in Maloyaroslavets suggested that Native Faith practitioners typically had above-average levels of education, with a substantial portion working as business owners or managers.[5] A high proportion were also involved in specialist professions such as engineering, academia, or information technology, and the majority lived in cities.

    In Russia, a two edged sword freedoms you.

  160. JohnJJJ

    Mitch M.
    #3043982, posted on June 16, 2019 at 3:00 pm
    NEOM project Saudi Arabia.
    Thanks for posting. Did I hear ‘integrating disruptive technologies’. Gobbledygook rules. Either way. A new book out on the Arab thinking Armies of Sand: The Past, Present, and Future of Arab Military Effectiveness [Kenneth M. Pollack], describes a major limitation to these new mega developments: the inability for risk information to flow upwards. If there are any problems no one will tell their superiors.

  161. jupes

    A new book out on the Arab thinking Armies of Sand: The Past, Present, and Future of Arab Military Effectiveness [Kenneth M. Pollack],

    I’m guessing not the thickest book in the world.

  162. Knuckle Dragger

    Having a look at the boxing before the footy starts.

    A large crowd is cheering as two large Persons of Colour beat the shit out of each other.

    Completely unrepresentative and racist. I’m still holding out hope that one of these behemoths identifies as non-binary, otherwise it’s a waste of time for The Movement.

  163. Frank Walker from National Tiles:

    “We’re not all sitting at home eating cat food in a dark room. I’m happily single and we need to empower people to be single. I just haven’t met the right guy. Maybe I never will. Maybe I’m not meant to be married. But I’m still meant to enjoy my life.”

    Insert after ‘right guy’ “Someone who appreciates the fact that I’m the most desirable woman on the planet and who would never only talk about the most fascinating girl in the room – me.”
    “Sweetheart, what you’re sellin’, I ain’t buyin’.”
    At least not in this oversupplied market.

  164. Knuckle Dragger

    The term ‘thousand cock stare’ should not be seen as derogatory one little bit.

    The girls, like the guys, should be free to splash it around as much (or as little) as they see fit.

    No-one says the ‘thousand box stare’ because it’s expected of blokes to be mad rooters until they are ‘taken hostage’ (a term used by one of my vagina-bearing friends).

    How can you be a mad rooter if there aren’t enough ladeees to accommodate you? The answer, naturally, is that there are certainly enough, but for some reason this is frowned upon in Inquisitorial society.

  165. Tel

    https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/crude-oil

    Oil prices have been down lately, not a whole lot of effect from any Middle East tensions. Trump re-imposed sanctions on Iran back in late 2018 at the time oil prices were around $70 USD per barrel, while today oil prices are around $50 USD per barrel, with those sanctions in full force. Seriously unlikely that a handful of isolated attacks on shipping will drive those prices back up, at a time when imposing sanctions on a major oil producer does nothing.

  166. cohenite

    Give it up Tel, iran did it; it’s sorta sweet you digging around for some logic to what an eschatological cult run society does.

  167. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Welp.

    Joe Rogan podcast #360.

    At 38:36

    “Most people are good, most people running shit are NOT good…”

    At 38:48

    “Anyone who wants to be President should be disqualified”

    At 38:56.

    Rogan posits that sortition would be great! “Like a lottery, he says”

    LOVE IT!

  168. Boambee John

    Dans ce pays-ci, il est bon de tuer de temps en temps un amiral pour encourager les autres.

    Entry in the log book of his flagship:

    “At 12 Mr Byng was shot”.

  169. max

    Live blogging about today’s protest in Hong Kong.

    AgendaFree TV

  170. Give it up Tel, iran did it;

    Good afternoon Cohenite.

    Sorry, but I’m pretty-much with Tel on this one.
    If I was going to guess – which is all anybody else is doing – my money would be on the Saudis or one of the other Arab Sunni states.

  171. MatrixTransform

    Not all women are the same

    breaking the mould by stating the obvious heh?

  172. JohnJJJ

    jupes
    I’m guessing not the thickest book in the world

    Ha! Actually 700 pages – examines why they have lost all wars since 1945. Many reasons but one was interesting – they have no idea how to fix machines. The industrial era passed them by. Maintenance of machines is foreign to them so at any one time only a third of their weapons worked.
    Also they tell their bosses what they want to hear – due to the nepotism/tribalism.
    IMO it is that the West thinks of ‘words’ as carrying facts. In the Arab world ‘words’ carry emotion and power. So when Israel defeated Egypt in one day in 1967, the Egyptian military were claiming they defeated Israel and pushed the jooz into the sea.
    As a corollary that explains a lot of court cases in Oz and ignorant magistrates believing what they say.

  173. MatrixTransform

    for the uninitiated who are discovering MGTOW … there are more acronyms like … NAWALT

  174. Stimpson J. Cat

    eschatological

    You do realize that this includes Christianity and J®daism surely?
    And the only difference between a cult and a religion is how many people you can convince to call it a religion?

  175. twostix

    Lol at childish residual trust in the security deep state that recently tried to stage a coup against Trump. Forget that small thing, they’ll definitely be telling the truth about something important like ginning up a war against Iran.

  176. zyconoclast

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-16/not-all-hot-air-with-tasmanian-windfarm-plans/11209390

    The insanity continues.

    Tasmania could be 95 per cent renewable energy self-sufficient by the end of the year once Cattle Hill Wind Farm is in full operation.

    They could export electricity with a couple of large scale LFTRs (liquid fluoride thorium nuclear reactor) which have an impeccable risk profile.

    No chance of that.

    From the marcusreview.com

    Tasmania’s Energy Scandal
    Tasmania has provided yet another example of what happens when you let the lunatics run the asylum for too long. This time, it has run out of electricity to the point of needing 200 temporary diesel generators – at a start up cost of $44 million, plus operating costs of $22 million per month.

    The Cost of Tasmania’s Energy Scandal

  177. twostix

    Fantasies of waging war on Iran was John Mcain’s reason to live. Remember the dozens of times since 2000 that he and his retarded neocon bolsheviks warned us that Iran would imminently start thermonuclear war if the US didn’t ‘act’ and invade?

    He dead. Neocons outed as anti-conservative open borders internationalists.

    Still no thermonuclear war.

  178. Mitch M.

    Ha! Actually 700 pages – examines why they have lost all wars since 1945. Many reasons but one was interesting – they have no idea how to fix machines.

    I’ve read the same. The troops haven’t got a clue about modern warfare machinery so when it breaks it is lost. I wonder if even in the West today many people don’t realise that being a modern soldier on the ground(a grunt) it is not just about macho and bravery. Modern warfare increasingly demands skills, intelligence and rat cunning rather than just charging forward and damn the torpedoes.

    One rather funny thing I read was that the military leaders in the ME were typically gutless, leaving the battlefield when the going got rough.

  179. Mitch M.

    Fantasies of waging war on Iran was John Mcain’s reason to live. Remember the dozens of times since 2000 that he and his retarded neocon bolsheviks warned us that Iran would imminently start thermonuclear war if the US didn’t ‘act’ and invade?

    Forget Iran. Make it interesting, a war in the South China Sea. China is a much bigger problem but I suppose the risk of losing an aircraft carrier prevents the mad Bolton thinking about a conflict there.

  180. the military leaders in the ME were typically

    related.

  181. Forget Iran. Make it interesting, a war in the South China Sea.

    Inevitable.
    It will be a doozy.

  182. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Forget Iran. Make it interesting, a war in the South China Sea.

    Bloody hell let’s hope not.

    That will be WWIII. I hope I am prepped by then.

    “Nah, war with China won’t result in a thermonuclear exchange…”

    Can we agree that you are correct and that a demonstration is not required?

  183. I have previously suggested that the solution to the middle east woes is to nuke and glass the place.
    Being able to roller skate (non-stop) from Damascus to Tripoli would be yuge tourist attraction.

  184. Dot. Expect tactical nukes from day one.

  185. stackja

    The Flood of 1929

    April 1929 – The Worst Flood in Tasmanian History
    In April 1929, the worst flood in Tasmanian history hit the Launceston area, lasting several days.

    Rain Moves In
    Weather patterns moving across the Bass Strait from the Mainland caused weather stations in Burnie to predict extreme rainfalls in North East Tasmania. Intense rains and high winds continued for most of the night and the following few days, beginning Wednesday 3rd April, and continuing through to Saturday. The Burnie and Ulverstone areas recorded 500 mm of rainfall in three days. In the north east town of Mathinna, 337 mm fell in 24 hours on 5th April.

    Briseis Dam Fails
    On Thursday 4th April, the newly-built Briseis Dam, on the Cascade River, above the town of Derby, gave way under the weight of the heavy rains. The breaking of the dam resulted in the build-up of water flooding the Cascade River.

    The resultant torrent from the broken Dam rushed down the narrow gorge of the Cascade River for three miles to nearby populated areas, carrying with it thousands of tons of debris, washing away trees, boulders and mud. The weight of the water and debris caused an unstoppable wall of water which overwhelmed the populated areas.

    Streets in Launceston Flooding
    The forecast was for continuing heavy rain. By afternoon on Thursday the 4th, gutters in Launceston were overflowing and in some areas flooding brought traffic to at standstill. The North and South Esk Rivers were already raging as people headed home from work. Reports from the river catchment areas where alarming. The downpour was so loud that a meeting called by the mayor to organize a possible evacuation was almost impossible to hear.

    By Friday morning the rivers were rising rapidly, and rain continued to pour down unabated. The Examiner newspaper’s printing presses began printing thousands of single sheet supplements with evacuation instructions. They were quickly distributed through the threatened areas by senior students from the Wellington Square School. Streets were already awash, and the hope that the low tide would drain the city was dashed by the overwhelming flood waters.

    The destruction of the Duck Reach power station and gas pipelines plunged the city into darkness.

  186. Tel

    … a major limitation to these new mega developments: the inability for risk information to flow upwards. If there are any problems no one will tell their superiors.

    That’s been a well known historical problem in the Middle East, and very likely might be a problem for Iran if push ever comes to shove.

    Unfortunately, it’s a problem in any large institution, and Westerners are not immune.

    https://ssi.armywarcollege.edu/pdffiles/PUB1250.pdf

    That report is 4 year old now, it goes into fine detail about an impossible compliance culture where people regularly sigh off on bullshit reports because it’s the only way to get through the day. Supervisory committees impose impossible tasks on subordinates, in full knowledge that the tasks are impossible and with the understanding that reports will be falsified. Only appearances matter … age of seeming … truth is out of style.

  187. Knuckle Dragger

    This whole Arabic incompetence with military machinery thing has the ring of truth about it. Remember the Iraqi army’s devastating reverse-blitzkrieg that gifted IS God knows how much Us-gifted materiel.

    The unkind may draw further comparisons to our very own locals, driving brand new ATSIC and royalty cars until they ran out of fuel before abandoning them. At least our punters set them on fire to keep warm before pissing off.

    Also, I have yet to meet an Egyptian mechanic.

  188. stackja

    Remembering Launceston’s great flood of 1929

    POWERLESS: The force of the water demolished the Duck Reach Power Station, leaving the residents of Launceston alone in the darkness with water rapidly rising. Pictures: The Weekly Courier April 10, 1929

  189. jupes

    Still no thermonuclear war.

    That’s because Iran doesn’t yet have the bomb. Largely due to Israel of course.

    Of course, all bets are off if the west is ever negligent enough to let them develop one.

  190. Arky

    Also, I have yet to meet an Egyptian mechanic.

    ..
    I worked with one.
    Thought Hitler was a top bloke.

  191. Notafan

    That might be your personal definition Stimpy but Christianity generally defines cults as quasi Christian religions that have added texts eg Mormonism and Christian Science or require slavish devotion to a living leader eg Bob Jones, Charles Manson, that Moon guy and the like.

    Looking forward to inane dig at Catholics in response
    yeah nah

  192. Knuckle Dragger

    Thank God and Darth Vader no-one was stupid enough to give the Iranians pallet loads of cash that they could use for whatever they like, including development of a nuclear capability.

    Oh wait.

  193. Knuckle Dragger

    As much as it would disadvantage me footy-tip wise, I wouldn’t mind seeing North Melbourne beat GWS this arvo. I’ve like the cut of their jib since Scott got the arse.

  194. Tel

    Many reasons but one was interesting – they have no idea how to fix machines. The industrial era passed them by. Maintenance of machines is foreign to them so at any one time only a third of their weapons worked. Also they tell their bosses what they want to hear – due to the nepotism/tribalism.

    This is a quote from the report I cited above, straight out of the US Army:

    Dishonesty, however, is not restricted just to reports of mandatory training. While the truth is often sidestepped in reporting compliance with directed requirements, dishonesty and deception are also prevalent in many other realms of the Army. Deceit can also appear in maintenance, supply, or other official reporting. For example, one captain spoke of the deception in vehicle readiness reporting:

    I sat in a log synch and they’re like, “What’s your vehicle percentage?” I said, “I’m at 90%.” [But] if [anyone] told me to move them tomorrow, [I knew] they would all break. For months and months and months we reported up “90%, Good-to-go on vehicles!”­ knowing that it didn’t matter because it carried no weight. It literally was just filling a box on a slide.

    Another captain gave an example of the half-truths commonly found in property accountability:

    We had this antenna and it had a serial number, but it was a component of the antenna. . . . We would always joke that if the Army were ever audited, and you looked at everything the Army was supposed to have, it would likely have most of it. However, would it really be of value or use or would you have a piece of plastic with a serial number that counted as an antenna? . . . We weren’t lying. We met the requirement at its minimum and that’s what we sent up. We gave them what they wanted.

    Examples of deceit also emerged in a wide variety of other areas concerning compliance with directed actions. According to a senior officer, “A command inspection is required within 90 days of company command. People don’t do it. They make it up.” One colonel spoke of inaccurate reporting following an undesirable directive: “We were asked to go to off-post housing to check on soldier quality of life. Folks were uncomfortable going so they pencil-whipped it.” In the words of another senior officer, “We have levied [on us] so many information demands that we infer that if I’m not asked specifics, they really don’t care. So I’ll just report ambiguous info.”

    An officer related his experience with the Travel Risk Planning System (TRiPS) form required for soldiers going on leave or pass:

    A soldier dying on vacation because of sleep deprivation is a horrible loss. So it is absolutely something we need to mitigate. However the focus for pretty much damn [near] every soldier is, `Hey, I just need to get this done so I can get my leave form in and get it approved.’ So what do you do? You know what answers the survey wants. You click those answers. And it’s sad, but it’s the way it works.

    Another common (and innocuous) form of deceit in the U.S. Army officer corps concerns the evaluation reporting system. The dishonesty occurs not in the actual prose of the Officer Evaluation Report (OER)/NCO Evaluation Report (NCOER) (although an analysis of the over-the-top hyperbole in evaluations would make an interesting study), but rather with the associated OER/NCOER Support Form. Army Regulation 623-3, Evaluation Reporting System, states that a rater must conduct an initial counseling with the rated officer/NCO within the first 30 days of the rating period, followed by additional counseling sessions every quarter. To verify compliance with this directive, the rated officer/NCO, the rater, and the senior rater must initial–or on the newest version, digitally sign–the support form.

    It is the exception, not the rule, that the face-to-face counseling mandated by the regulation and verified by three members of the chain of command ever occurs. While initial counseling sessions may have a chance of being accomplished, compliance with the quarterly counseling requirement is extremely rare. Yet each year, tens of thousands of support forms are submitted with untruthful information. Interestingly, fabricating dates that the directed counseling supposedly took place is both expected and unremarkable (as long as the contrived dates do not fall on a weekend). To the average officer, it is the way business is done in the Army. Admitting that the counseling did not take place is very seldom an option. In the words of a major, “The Army would rather us make up dates saying, `Yes, we did it’ as opposed to saying, `Hey, I messed up.'”

  195. Black Ball

    Thank God and Darth Vader no-one was stupid enough to give the Iranians pallet loads of cash that they could use for whatever they like, including development of a nuclear capability.

    Yes, Iran must think Rat Eared Wonder is still President. I don’t think the rattling of sabres will end well for Iran. Although there would be no Coalition Of The Willing this time.

  196. mh

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #3044009, posted on June 16, 2019 at 3:54 pm

    Stimpy, I can’t believe you fell for a NYT story. Well actually I can.

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    5h
    Do you believe that the Failing New York Times just did a story stating that the United States is substantially increasing Cyber Attacks on Russia. This is a virtual act of Treason by a once great paper so desperate for a story, any story, even if bad for our Country……….ALSO, NOT TRUE! Anything goes with our Corrupt News Media today. They will do, or say, whatever it takes, with not even the slightest thought of consequence! These are true cowards and without doubt, THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE!

  197. Tel

    And the only difference between a cult and a religion is how many people you can convince to call it a religion?

    There’s only one difference and it’s very clear cut … all depends on whether you are allowed to leave or not.

  198. Mitch M.

    Bloody hell let’s hope not.

    That will be WWIII. I hope I am prepped by then.

    “Nah, war with China won’t result in a thermonuclear exchange…”

    Can we agree that you are correct and that a demonstration is not required?

    Who will fire the first nuke? China or the USA? It won’t happen because both countries know the consequences. A ME country might do that but not China or the USA. I wouldn’t be surprised if China wants a large skirmish so it can blood the military(not modern warfare for China so they need to do that) and to assess their existing military capability against the USA and Japan. China will be beaten but substantial losses on both sides. It will be a war in the South China Sea, not the mainland.

  199. Tel

    Give it up Tel, iran did it; it’s sorta sweet you digging around for some logic to what an eschatological cult run society does.

    I’ve always found that using my brain to process the available information works a lot better than running on raw hatred. Not trying to tell you how to live your life, everyone’s different.

  200. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    I hope you’re right Mitch.

    We’ve come too close to the point of no return by accident. Ramp it up with an actual war and the risk probably increases.

  201. Roberto

    Re the Launceston flood: I remember seeing many of those photos when I visited Cataract Gorge five years ago. They were frighteningly awesome.

  202. duncanm

    MatrixTransform
    #3044021, posted on June 16, 2019 at 4:30 pm

    for the uninitiated who are discovering MGTOW … there are more acronyms like … NAWALT

    no such thing.

  203. Stimpson J. Cat

    Stimpy, I can’t believe you fell for a NYT story. Well actually I can.

    I think it’s excellent that Trump actually even knows about it.
    Fatboy should shut up and build the Wall.

  204. Leigh Lowe

    KD at 12:19.
    The recent Gillon McPolo-Nazi AFL crackdown on the deplorable unwashed has got me thinking about a couple of things.
    Is it coincidence that this has started right about the time that The Great Flog Goodes is running his doco asserting that the AFL didn’t do enough to stop the great deplorable unwashed from booing the Great Flog? I think not.
    .
    Channel Seven seem to be giving it to the AFL on this one, which is unusual. Typically the broadcaster gets the talking points from the AFL and do not depart from the script. Are there moves afoot to unseat McPolo-Nazi?

  205. Eyrie

    If I hear “proliferation” one more time when discussing civilian power reactors I’ll scream. Any government which wants nuclear weapons will get them regardless of whether they have civilian power reactors or not.

  206. Mitch M.

    I hope you’re right Mitch.

    We’ve come too close to the point of no return by accident. Ramp it up with an actual war and the risk probably increases.

    The fundies look forward to the great final war to end time, the West looks forward to the next election, China looks forward to the next 100 years. China has no interest in using weapons that will destroy its international standing because it needs so many raw materials and markets to function.

  207. Eyrie

    I have an idea for feral animal control. Use stealth fixed wing semi autonomous drones with infrared sensors at night. Arm them.
    The head explosions at CASA would be epic.

  208. Anthony

    Bruce in WA
    #3043836, posted on June 16, 2019 at 11:33 am
    Johnny Horton – North To Alaska Lyrics | Genius Lyrics

    My late father was often known for “mishearing” lyrics but happily singing along anyway.

    His version was, “North, to Alaska, we’re goin’ north, the Russian Zone”.

    Always had a bit of a problem with that one. I heard it as
    North to Alaska, we’re going north to Russia’s own.

    I put the difference down to the fact that Americans chose to do a little Cold War editing.

  209. MatrixTransform

    no such thing.

    yes,yes … I know

  210. Bruce Kenyon

    One time only-for Notafan and Tel – the Church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints is not a cult . Anyone may attend Sunday meetings if they choose. Spend two hours at any LDS chapel and then decide if they are Christians,

  211. Knuckle Dragger

    Matrix,

    I’ll do it! I’ll do it!

    Duncan – I picked it as Not All Women Are Like That. NAWALT. You Googled it, didn’t you?

    Matrix made you look!

  212. Knuckle Dragger

    I knew there’d be one…….

    Well played, MT.

  213. Dr Fred Lenin

    Knuckle dragger liked your footy story ,been there done that at Vic Park ,ha a mate who was team manager for the Pies . Oakley was a good bloke did a good job . The present comisars are like the EU ones ,stuffing things up for their own glory,be good if the sponsors pulled out ,ocialist fascism dies without money .
    Have a protest ,slow handclap and turn your backs on the game .watch them scurry for cover as the media goes wild with the story of the spectators fury,never let the bastards grind you down ,defy them ,ambarass their security goons by staring at them during the slow handclap ,urge your club to pull out and form a Victorian Football Union independant of the comisars .

  214. Nick

    Channel Seven seem to be giving it to the AFL on this one, which is unusual. Typically the broadcaster gets the talking points from the AFL and do not depart from the script. Are there moves afoot to unseat McPolo-Nazi?

    Mick Molloy on the Front Bar, last week, gave them a serve too.

  215. Leigh Lowe

    Have a protest ,slow handclap and turn your backs on the game .watch them scurry for cover as the media goes wild with the story of the spectators fury ..

    As I said above, this is a little unusual in the way that Channel 7 isn’t running the AFL line.
    Of course, a couple of soft-cock commentators (Luke Darcy and Cameron Ling) were running interference for the AFL … “gee, we don’t want punch ons at the footy”.
    No-one is talking about punch-ups, you fucking morons. This about people yelling out stuff that is totally innocuous.
    And, of course, McPolo-Nazi’s brother (who works for Channel 7) is also MIA on this one, but nearly everyone else is getting stuck in.
    Normally the broadcaster is in lock-step with the AFL PR spin.
    Something is afoot I think, and it might involve a coup at the AFL.
    Quite apart from jumping on fans, the clubs are mightily pissed off at a number of things … throwing money at that ridiculous AFLX and redesigning their logo at a cost of $150k to name just two.

  216. Knuckle Dragger

    LL,

    Wouldn’t surprise me one bit. One of the best bits of Mr Brown’s earlier tour-de-force was when he said the AFL just makes up what it likes and then ploughs on regardless, convinced the fans got it wrong again.

    The fans rarely get it wrong. When instructed to not do something, say call an umpire a bald-headed flog, people will naturally react like rebellious teenagers and do it as much as they can. And in large groups.

    This is perfectly encapsulated in the hundreds of Carlton fans screaming ‘bald-headed flog’ at the umpires last night, despite the thought bubble that was the introduction of Behavioural Awareness Officials.

    Imagine that. A bloke with an earpiece reporting on fan behaviour to his overt, hi-vis colleagues. ‘Yeah, the bloke with a beard and a blue jumper. He just yelled out ‘flog’. See what he has to say for himself.’

    To state the bleeding, suffering obvious, what are they going to do when hundreds of punters do it at once? Evict the entire bay? Abandon the match? Yet another scheme devised by someone who studied behavioural science at TAFE in between growing a man bun and getting woke, but has – as Brown says – never been in the rain at the footy.

    The AFL’s a corporate entity, sure. I get it. But it relies not on corporate boxes and the cashless support of the Chamber of Commerce. It doesn’t matter how much sponsorship you pour into it, if you don’t have the fans you have nothing.

    Of course no-one’s going to sanction the use of the C-bomb in front of kiddies. But the thing is, and in my experience it’s self-regulated with a bit of ‘Oi, kids here!’ followed by a quick apology and more ranting, this time C-bomb free.

    The AFL dabbled in the SJW asylum under Demetriou, but they’ve gone full retard now. They are not, and cannot be (which Gilly boy should realise) a moral arbiter. It’s like Woollies only letting in Audi drivers. Looks OK on the outside but if you’re in any way involved with it you will experience complete and abject failure.

    I suspect that the Board might juuuuust have had about enough of Pony Boy’s virtuous lecturing.

    The other day, apropos of booing, he said ‘We want passion in the game’. No you don’t. You want endless consumer units to fill your coffers and be told what to do and how to think, so you can impress the recruitment panel at your next sinecure with tales about how the AFL made the world a better place.

  217. feelthebern

    AFL would be ok if it wasn’t so intensely gay.

  218. MatrixTransform

    reckon dunc might have been having a small dig because the obverse of that coin is … AWALT

  219. Tel

    China has no interest in using weapons that will destroy its international standing because it needs so many raw materials and markets to function.

    Don’t worry, China can always get their state newspaper to declare they have excellent international standing.

  220. feelthebern

    Peter Griffin on Iran.

  221. Tel:

    There’s only one difference and it’s very clear cut … all depends on whether you are allowed to leave or not.

    That’s very good. I’ve asked on several occasions for the difference between a cult and a religion, and that’s closest to a logical and honest answer I’ve ever got.
    Thank you.

  222. dover_beach

    And the only difference between a cult and a religion is how many people you can convince to call it a religion?

    Not at all. All religions are forms of cultus. You’ve simply fallen for the pejorative use of the term employed by people that would like to police the religious practice of groups they disapprove.

  223. Eyrie:

    I have an idea for feral animal control. Use stealth fixed wing semi autonomous drones with infrared sensors at night. Arm them.

    I think I’m in love – in a very heterosexual man to man way, of course.
    Will they be armed with nukes?
    (Asking for a friend.
    A very good friend.
    Of mixed wombat/human/cougar lineage.)

  224. Fred Lenin:
    Has your eye operation failed?

  225. There is currently only one country with both the means to start and wage a major war, and a leader crazy enough to do it. And it’s not the USA, Russia, China, or Iran.

  226. mh

    Fox News:

    Man breaks into AOC’s offices in NYC, sprays cops with fire extinguisher

    I wonder what he wanted in there?

  227. mh

    There is currently only one country with both the means to start and wage a major war, and a leader crazy to do it. And it’s not the USA, Russia, China, or Iran.

    New Zealand?

  228. Where is everyone?
    You can’t have all gone to bed yet, could you?
    Bunch of pooftas.

  229. MatrixTransform

    today I …

    *connected my solar inverter via modbus to the internet into my own cloud based logging software
    *pruned the Pepperina tree to let some light to the winter veggie patch
    *nipped off all the old low hanging remnants of the grape…deal with shaping it later in winter.
    *replaced the trailer lights with LEDs that I picked up on special at mitre10 ..was $117, now $40 includes all wires and the trailer plug
    *bought controlled release fertilizer for the indoor plants
    *finished the install and testing of the wifi doorbell at the gate which opens via a web app on the crazy old mole’s iPhone.
    *secured a bottle of The Singleton ‘Dufftown’ at Aldi for $50
    *polished off 3x Coopers Green
    *hung shit on Notafan
    *middle of making 4 litres of chicken stock
    *potato and leek soup for dinner

    and its only 6:30

  230. Roger

    And the only difference between a cult and a religion is how many people you can convince to call it a religion?

    No; in modern usage a cult is a private group, as opposed to churches and sects which, whatever their differences, manifest their beliefs publicly.

  231. Well, thank fuck for that.
    Someones not buggering their best mates.

  232. MatrixTransform

    Someones not buggering their best mates.

    oh, I forgot …

    nevermind

  233. Roger:
    Are you saying that Scientologists aren’t saying their beliefs publicly?
    How about that tiny freak leaping all about the studio saying scientology is fabbo during an interview?

  234. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    There is currently only one country with both the means to start and wage a major war, and a leader crazy enough to do it. And it’s not the USA, Russia, China, or Iran.

    Hey I need a little help here professor. Are you referring to Turkey?

  235. Rockdoctor

    Nice light show decending into Brisbane tonight. Storm looked wicked on the radar but I have flown through worse in tropical or equitorial regions. Didn’t seem bad enough to close the airport but obviously was… Next leg delayed as a result & 😕 no lounge till Jetstar starts check in….

    Reading paper apparently something about QLD trying to get the Olympics, LNP behind. WTF Deb are you an idiot, this sort of bs will win you zero votes and turn off people in the north like me.IMO Lib & Nats need to go their own way, LNP experiment is a failure being run by Brisbane for the South East

  236. Hey I need a little help here professor. Are you referring to Turkey?

    Yep.

  237. Leigh Lowe

    Mick Molloy on the Front Bar, last week, gave them a serve too.

    I saw that, Nick, and it was a bit of a surprise but not a huge shock.
    Molloy’s stock-in-trade is sarcastic piss-taking and I’ll bet he isn’t tightly locked into the Seven Sport department.
    But when game-day commentators started getting stuck in, and video directors started running footage of the security Nazis at every break in play, I thought that was very unusual.
    Channel Seven is normally totally in the tank for the AFL.
    Summink strange.

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