Currency Lad: The Unteachables

Later this year – 28 October to be precise – falls the 100th anniversary of the Volstead Act.

So how much have prohibitionists learned from that infamous social catastrophe?
This just in:

Queensland alcohol laws mean young people are pre-drinking more.

A team of researchers say Queensland’s alcohol legislation needs revision for it to be effective, after a study into its impacts found more young people are pre-drinking before heading into night-time entertainment districts and violent assault rates remained unchanged…

The State Government brought in the legislation in 2016, in a bid to curb alcohol-fuelled violence in nightclub precincts in Queensland.

Pubs and clubs in night-club precincts were ordered to call last drinks at 3:00am instead of 5am and were banned from selling ‘rapid intoxication drinks’, like shots.

A three-year study from 2014 to a year after the changes, involving researchers from Griffith University, University of Queensland and Queensland University of Technology, has interviewed thousands of punters and taken blood alcohol readings.

Griffith University Associate Professor Grant Devilly told Hack since the legislation, patrons had increased their alcohol pre-drinking and entered night-time entertainment districts later.

“We found that people were more likely to have preloaded,” he said.

“While before, 80 per cent of people preloaded, now it’s 90 per cent and those who pre-loaded, their blood alcohol readings had gone up, so they were entering more drunk…”

The study found assault rates, good order offences and general levels of fear in participants did not appear to have been affected by the legislation.

It was surprising [no it really wasn’t, Grant – CL] because the argument was that if we close down the alcohol sales from 5am to 3am that it was getting people out of the city when they hadn’t had far too much,” Mr Devilly said.

“When in fact because they were coming in more drunk they were still at the same levels.”

So there you have it. The Queensland government sought to prohibit alcohol and instead increased drunkenness.
Will we now see Volsteader politicians and the academics who advise them abandon wowserism?
Of course not!
There is always a believer with a brand new ‘solution.’

Associate Professor Devilly said any changes made in alcohol legislation should encourage people to come into the late-night districts earlier, to reduce ‘pre-loading’ and encourage the consumption of alcohol in a controlled environment.

It was so obvious I don’t know why nobody had thought of it before. Just pass a law to change “late-night districts” into early night districts!

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23 Responses to Currency Lad: The Unteachables

  1. Notafan

    Cost of drinks is also a factor.

    How about making it six o’clock swill?

  2. pete m

    And pony girl just outright denies the accuracy of the study.

    Shameless.

  3. JC

    I love university expertologists always being carted out to give prohibition an air of expertology.

  4. MPH

    Don’t worry under sharia alcohol is completely illegal – as is AFL I expect.

  5. Fact is, there were plenty of examples of the consequences of such prohibition. The ACT introduced similar restrictions about 10 years earlier with similar results.

    The high price of drinks in pubs and nightclubs drove younger drinkers to preload at home on cheap booze like cask wine before going to venues where they were paying, say, $10 a drink.

    The findings of this academic survey are not surprising.

  6. Colonel Crispin Berka

    Alcopops.

    (I was inspired by Muddy’s concise contribution.)

    Also…
    These young `uns should be having milk and cookies and being tucked up in bed. Because clearly life is about minimising cost rather than seeking benefit. Duh.

  7. Mother Lode

    This illustrates the problem where the political class (and their bureaucracy mandarin familiars)

    1) Do not understand the nature of their powers
    2) Do not understand the limitations of their powers
    3) Do not understand the license under which they are granted their powers and
    4) Do not understand the people for whom’s benefit they are granted their powers

    They see a problem (which they and/or their predecessors were very much complicit in creating), come up with a ham-fisted solution with absolutely no consideration of the freedoms that will be removed from the blameless majority and expect the populace to respond like unthinking automatons. They will really have thought that restricting access to alcohol meant people would drink less at pubs without changing behaviours outside that avenue – because people don’t drink grog simply because they are allowed to, they do it because they like it.

    Our political class (and the mandarin minions) did not see this coming.

    Yet they will not experience even the slightest tremor in their vanity. They will see the people pre-loading as having failed.

    And these cretins think we should give them more power.

    The most powerful engine for good behaviour is good family and community. The reason I don’t kill people is not because it is against the law, but because I was brought up with the conviction that you shouldn’t. Even if I were able somehow to escape legal consequences somehow I still wouldn’t do it. If it were only a matter of law then the slightest crack in enforcement would permit a spurting jet of evil passion.

    Look at the sickening violence kids are capable of today.

    When I was a kid there were sometimes fights after school. There was a culture attached they everyone agreed on and observed. You fought until the other kid gave up, no matter how angry you were. You didn’t kick, scratch, resort to weapons, didn’t gang up, and didn’t ambush. Everyone who watched the fight was agreed on this, and any kid who won a fight by cheating would have been despised. Cartoons showed Popeye (for example) belting Bluto into the middle of next week (this violence being the reason they cartoons were taken off TV) but in every case it was after persistent provocation, very stoically borne, and usually in defence of the weak and defenceless. TV shows showed the same thing – being a man meant violence only as a last resort and to protect others. For yourself, as long as you are still standing, you put up with anything.

    Well these lessons have been removed. Schoolboys are encouraged to behave like schoolgirls and are denied the opportunity to master their own natures, and when they grow old enough and have a little too much to drink their is a damburst of mayhem.

    Having created this situation with their cackhanded meddling in communities with their faddish programs and social engineering the political class feels constrained to insert themselves again.

    And predictably they make the situation worse.

    /rant

  8. Mother Lode

    4) Do not understand the people for whom’s whose benefit they are granted their powers

    Sweet cheeses!

  9. Andre Lewis

    The Queensland accidental Premier was questioned on this for a tv press call yesterday. She said that the study was small and a much more comprehensive one was underway although she was unable to tell us who is doing it and when it would be available. She declined further questions on the matter which is how this government responds to anything that shows its agenda is flawed, they ignore it and refuse to take any responsibility.

  10. Mother Lode

    a much more comprehensive one was underway although she was unable to tell us who* is doing it and when** it would be available.

    * Just one of the nameless faceless staffers in her front office.

    ** They are waiting for IT to come up and remove the Liquid Paper from the monitor so they can re-commence editing the original report with more politically expedient numbers.

  11. Tel

    So the moved the “last drinks” call two hours earlier from 5AM to 3AM … and the punters compensate for that by drinking a few extra shots at home around 8PM. Is that what I’m expected to believe?

    “While before, 80 per cent of people preloaded, now it’s 90 per cent and those who pre-loaded, their blood alcohol readings had gone up, so they were entering more drunk…”

    So essentially everyone is doing it … and everyone always has been doing it. Gosh!

  12. Tom

    Brilliant post, ML at 8.38am.

  13. Roger

    ABC QLD TV news featured a prominent nightclub owner opining that the problem is that alcohol sold at outlets like Dan’s is too cheap.

  14. Roger

    There is always a believer with a brand new ‘solution.’

    Liberty Quote –

    At the heart of the social vision prevalent among contemporary intellectuals is the belief that there are “problems” created by existing institutions and that “solutions” to these problems can be excogitated by intellectuals. This vision is both a vision of society and a vision of the role of intellectuals within society.

    — Thomas Sowell

  15. Intellectuals always seem to have a solution for every problem, perceived or not, except that none of them ever work.

  16. John Bayley

    ABC QLD TV news featured a prominent nightclub owner opining that the problem is that alcohol sold at outlets like Dan’s is too cheap.

    To the contrary, actually.
    The high price of alcohol in this country has convinced many night club goers that they’re better off having some methamphetamine (ice) or MDMA (ecstasy) instead.
    Meth can be had for about $40 per 0.1 gram, which will ave the average punter out of it all night. MDMA works out even cheaper.
    As always, trust the government to take a small problem and ‘solve it’ into a big one.

  17. Roger

    ABC QLD TV news featured a prominent nightclub owner opining that the problem is that alcohol sold at outlets like Dan’s is too cheap.

    To the contrary, actually.

    Too cheap compared to what he charges, the suggestion being the gummint should do somethin’ ’bout it.

  18. duncanm

    Ooops…

    Sydney’s lockout laws haven’t had an effect on the amount of violence in the city’s CBD, according to new research which casts doubt over the controversial regulation’s true impact on crime.

  19. C.L.

    To the contrary, actually.
    The high price of alcohol in this country has convinced many night club goers that they’re better off having some methamphetamine (ice) or MDMA (ecstasy) instead.

    Indeed. I would add, speculatively, that the preposterous price of cigarettes has also contributed to the meth/ice disaster. Ask yourself how many otherwise ice-crazed lunatics would be safely down at the pub drinking beers and smoking Winnie Reds if either of the latter were more sanely priced.

    So the moved the “last drinks” call two hours earlier from 5AM to 3AM … and the punters compensate for that by drinking a few extra shots at home around 8PM.

    Exactly. The end result of this particular iteration of prohibition will be clubs staying open past closing time for a select clientele. Either they will pay a premium for a special restricted licence or they will pay police to look the other way. When the state attempts to control drinking the denouement is always the same: some incarnation of Al Capone.

  20. Mother Lode

    Thanks Tom.

    I was possessed by a very angry Muse.

  21. Behind Enemy Lines

    Always a pleasure to hear from the Currency Lad.

  22. ‘smatter with these people, don’t they learn from others?
    The AFL knows, and have demonstrated, how to modify peoples behaviour.
    Just ask Tall Gill to come up to Brisbane and give a lecture on the subject….problem solvered.

    On a side note, I’ll take the behaviour of 100,000 people caught up in a passionate frenzy at the footy over the behaviour of much smaller crowds in ‘entertainment districts’ any day.
    Just goes to show that our footy crowds are actually very well behaved and that the AFL are deliberately hyping up a problem that doesn’t (comparatively) exist.

    Social Engineers. The only engineers whose structures collapse in a heap every time, without exception.

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