Open Forum: June 22, 2019

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  1. Moses

    10 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

  2. Leigh Lowe

    C.L.

    #3049193, posted on June 22, 2019 at 11:34 am

    I do have a problem with Folau raising $3 million by public subscription if his property portfolio really is worth close to seven.

    Yeah, nah.
    Firstly they will have pumped up the “portfolio” by a factor if 1.5 to 2 times for the sake of the story.
    Secondly, why should he go broke defending his rights? This is no time for a futile suicide gesture.
    And thirdly, and most importantly, if he can win this battle he shuts down thousands of HR busy-bodies who would happily rissole a Christian for having a faded “Vote No” bumper sticker.

  3. Knuckle Dragger

    Pitch inspected. Good to go, a but green. Nice for the fast men in the first hour.

    Smack Down the Darkie Christian GoFundMe, which says ‘his beliefs are not supported by the wider community’ – $120.

    A 5.6 mill property portfolio would, I am told, get you roughly half a share in a Redfern letterbox.

  4. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘a bit green’

    Dammit. Phonemacks finguz not werk.

  5. cohenite

    Top Ender

    #3049171, posted on June 22, 2019 at 11:00 am

    David Gilmour auctioned 120 instruments from his massive guitar collection for a $21 million windfall that the former Pink Floyd frontman is donating to fight global warming.

    From what I have read over the years Gilmour is pretty conservative about most things.

    Probably comes from having an idiot for a son.</blockquote

    Sure is but he sure got some consequences for his stupidity. His father will do his dough spending to save the world so its win win.

  6. C.L.

    People are contributing because they want to support the cause and they are sick of the Political Correctness that is taking over our society. This has nothing to do with panhandling and everything to do with many people coming together to make a stand.

    I made no comment on why people are supporting him.

    Your argument that Folau could finance his own legal costs but chooses to give concerned citizens the privilege of being part of his (righteous) cause is highly naive, verging on fanciful.

    He’s having a tilt that could fail and wants to protect his personal portfolio.
    If true, that may be many things – including prudent and understandable – but it isn’t particularly honourable.

  7. Farmer Gez

    A mixed bag but you can’t be sacked for being a lazy or crap teacher.

    Bullshit. You certainly can.
    For six months when I was seconded to a HR project I was responsible for managing the Diminished Work Performance process in my district. This process puts failing teachers into a formal arrangement which takes twelve months to proceed to dismissal if their teaching performance doesn’t improve.
    I was personally responsible for two dismissals in that time, although one of the two resigned before it came to the crunch. The other person got stroppy and would phone me at home at 3am asking “How can you sleep?”
    On one occasion, I responded by saying my sleep pattens were OK unless interrupted by 3am phone calls. Eventually I changed my number.

    Good ancillary staff…..

    Also bullshit. In terms of ancillary staff, I don’t know about other states, but what was posted doesn’t apply in Queensland. It would have if Noddy Newman had his way when his late unlamented government was in power.
    He attempted to turn permanent ancillary staff into contractors. This was a mistake, school cleaners have heaps of time during the school day to get militant, as they typically work 6am – 9am and 3pm – 6pm. They came out on the street en masse, and created so much embarrassment for the LNP, that they gave up.
    It had a funny side. School cleaners can be a stroppy lot if you get them offside.
    Noddy learned a salutary lesson.
    Permanent cleaners are transferred if a school loses hours through enrolment decline.

    Good god man, you just proved my point!
    You admit you had a bugger of a time removing just two staff.
    The process goes something like this:
    Principal wants to get rid of senior high pay teacher.
    Twelve month period of sacking begins with the said teacher going on stress leave.
    Principal has to pay for a fill in whilst the useless prick sits at home getting paid.
    Useless prick files an unfair dismissal claim as soon as the twelve months are up and drags the school admin through months of meetings and hearings.
    Very few principals put themselves or the school through this and so the useless bastards remain in the job, ruining kids education until they can tag long service into retirement.
    I’m married to a senior secondary teacher.
    I’ve served on school councils and finance sub committees for a decade.

  8. Leigh Lowe

    Knuckle Dragger

    #3049207, posted on June 22, 2019 at 12:00 pm

    Pitch inspected. Good to go, a but green. 

    Whuch us exactly how Ruchard Hadlee likes hus putches.

  9. stackja

    Margin Call: Rugby Australia boss Raelene Castle earning every cent …
    https://www.theaustralian.com.au › business › margin-call
    Apr 17, 2019 – Rugby Australia chief executive Raelene Castle. … who ran rugby league’s sometimes scandalous Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs before she took over at RA in January last year — is earning every cent of the $815,255-a-year the newly-released RA annual report reveals she was paid in her first year.

  10. Exit Stage Right

    Bit of respect LL,
    Sir Ruchard, or being a Kiwi did he give it back?

  11. None

    I want Pell to be freed, return to Rome and become Pope
    Hell yes.

    Also good to see Fisher on the front page is arguing against euthanasia but where the hell was he and all the other Christian leaders when Victoria was ramming through legalized murder?

  12. stackja

    C.L.
    #3049210, posted on June 22, 2019 at 12:02 pm

    Time will tell.

  13. Leigh Lowe

    If true, that may be many things – including prudent and understandable – but it isn’t particularly honourable.

    Yes, and The Vicar and the Toxic Leprechaun have been the epitome of honour.
    I’ll bet they are deleting messages and having “get our story straight” sessions as we speak.
    What if he won, was awarded costs, and RA declares bankruptcy?

  14. Some History

    This doesn’t sound good. The totalitarian express.

    ‘Climate Emergency’: Ireland Set to Ban Private Cars While Planning Mass Third World Migration

    Drivers will be forced off the roads in Ireland and the population packed into “higher density” cities under a long-awaited climate plan which will ‘revolutionise’ people’s lifestyle and behaviours, according to local media.
    “Nudge” policies such as huge tax hikes, as well as bans and red tape outlined in the plan, will pave the way to a “vibrant” Ireland of zero carbon emissions by 2050 according to the government, which last year committed to boost the country’s 4.7 million-strong population by a further million with mass migration.
    In order to avert a “climate apocalypse”, the government plans to force people “out of private cars because they are the biggest offenders for emissions”, according to transport minister Shane Ross whose proposals — which include banning fossil fuel vehicles from towns and cities nationwide — are posed to cripple ordinary motorists, local media reports.
    Launching the plan in Dublin, leader Leo Varadkar outlined his vision for an Ireland of ‘higher density’ cities consisting of populations whose lifestyles and behaviours have been totally transformed by ‘carrot and stick’ policies outlined in the climate plan.
    “Our approach will be to nudge people and businesses to change behaviour and adapt new technologies through incentives, disincentives, regulations and information,” the globalist prime minister said.
    “We are going to change how electricity is produced and consumed, how our homes and workplaces are heated; the way we travel; the types of vehicles we purchase; and how food is produced.

    RTWT

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/06/20/ireland-ban-cars-climate-mass-migration/

    Retrofit homes through higher property tax or electricity bills – plan
    Government report outlines ‘path’ to achieve net zero-carbon emissions by 2050

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/retrofit-homes-through-higher-property-tax-or-electricity-bills-plan-1.3927634

  15. Roberto

    Socrates at the Pub

    Apparently throughout her entire reign Her Majesty’s policy has been to conduct all meetings standing, to “encourage brevity”

    That’s always been the way with Privy Council meetings:

    Customarily the sovereign remains standing at meetings of the Privy Council, so that no other members may sit down, thereby keeping meetings short.

  16. None

    Ah yes the morbidly obese trans Goth Raelene castle has totally sullied Rugby Australia is reputation, gotten fans and the broader community offside and looks like driving it broke in order to pursue a personal vendetta against an uppity black Christian player she recently signed up for full minion and she’s earning that 800000 k. Orwellian does not even begin to describe that scenario

  17. None

    Holy potato the Irish are stark f****** raving mad. Not even the stassi and the Nazis combined were that totalitarian.

  18. None

    The Irish Global as Prime Minister is that gay fascist isn’t it? Gaystsapo takes on a whole new meaning.

  19. cuckoo

    morbidly obese trans Goth Raelene castle

    Perfectly put. Seriously, I thought she came straight from a casting call for The Rocky Horror Show.

  20. Roger

    This doesn’t sound good. The totalitarian express.

    Noted here yesterday.

    They’re going to make profitable agriculture very difficult and re-forest failed farms.

  21. Rafe Champion

    An unusually small-minded comment CL.
    Folau is carrying the ball for all of us right now and we should be prepared to support him in any way that helps.
    You know the drill!
    Back up your ball carriers!
    Do your share of work in defence!
    And don’t be afraid to run it on the sixth!!
    But I don’t suppose you rugby wallys know what it means to run it on the sixtth:)

  22. Roger

    This doesn’t sound good. The totalitarian express.

    Oh, and it will all be accomplished according to 5 year plans…yes, seriously.

  23. bespoke

    johanna
    #3049203, posted on June 22, 2019 at 11:56 am
    Re Pink Floyd, I have mentioned before sites where ‘influencers’ listen to music for the first time.

    One of the few things I could afford in my first full time job was a bottle of Vat 69, playing backgammon while listening to Pink Floyd with my house mates every few weeks.

    Numberwangs leave them kids alone!

  24. Some History

    Kommandant: Ay hev veri good nyooz. Today zee prisoners vil get a chaynch of underver.

    Yay! Cheers!

    Kommandant: Camp A vil chaynch vis Camp B.

  25. Roger

    Australians have seen a future where only politicians, celebrity TV “journalists” and CEOs have a voice and everyone else simply has to shut up, pay and obey and they don’t like what they’ve seen.

    Folau is a lightning rod for that discontent.

  26. dopey

    Rafe do you mean run it on the 5th?

  27. Speedbox

    I mentioned last night that the extent of the Folau contributions should be a concern to Rugby Australia.

    What i find most interesting is that over 6,500 people have actually got off their backsides and donated almost $520k. If he reaches $1m from his target of $3m, that will see approx. 12,000 people.

    Also, gofundme is for the ‘little people’. If, say, Gina Rinehardt wanted to contribute, it would never be via gofundme, anonymously or otherwise. I have no doubt that other, more significant contributions, will quietly flow to him.

    This is very interesting stuff.

  28. Leigh Lowe

    C.L.
    George Pell has accepted donations for his defence and still retains some personal assets.
    Do you have a position on that?

  29. woolfe

    Rafe,
    Rugby is for people that can count over 6.

  30. C.L.

    Meanwhile, in the formerly white, now “vibrant” city of London …
    Shocking moment laughing teenagers kick a delivery driver in the head and steal his moped as they launch vicious attack on London street.

    By “laughing teenagers,” the DM means black teenagers.

  31. Cassie of Sydney

    “Rafe Champion
    #3049232, posted on June 22, 2019 at 12:17 pm
    An unusually small-minded comment CL.
    Folau is carrying the ball for all of us right now and we should be prepared to support him in any way that helps.

    Great comment Rafe….Izzy needs our support and love and I think that the way the GoFundMe page is going for him proves he has a lot of support out there amongst us “Quiet Australians”. It also relates strongly to the talk that we both attended last Tuesday night at the CIS on the bullshit that is Corporate Social Responsibility (CSR). We ordinary Australians need to speak up and fight back against Orwellian corporate bullying. We need to push back and push back hard….it’s not enough to simply go and vote every three or four years….like the timid mice many of us are…..we need to start being vocal and saying no and enough is enough. The culture wars are being won by the left because they aren’t shy, they aren’t timid and they know how to speak up. Oh and as I wrote last night…to all those fools that thought that giving them SSM would appease/quieten them……that was just the beginning you dickheads.

  32. C.L.

    Folau is carrying the ball for all of us right now and we should be prepared to support him in any way that helps.

    I made no comment on whether people should or shouldn’t support him.

    He is reportedly worth several million. He doesn’t need any help.
    That’s panhandling.

  33. C.L.

    He won’t come anywhere near $3 million, by the way.

  34. None

    Roger

    #3049241, posted on June 22, 2019 at 12:27 pm

    Yep.

  35. P

    Israel Folau Legal Action Fund

    None yesterday wrote that it provides a way for us to have our voices heard, and as Arma put it earlier here ‘gives us skin in the game’.

  36. None

    This is also why it’s important that the little people keep their jobs because these mother f***** Gaystapo types only understand money.

  37. Roger

    He is reportedly worth several million.

    Yes, reportedly.

    Note how our morally obtuse press demand freedom of speech for themselves but are going after an ordinary citizen seeking to defend his right to same.

    Shame on them.

  38. Leigh Lowe

    Folau’s campaign is important on many levels.
    1. It messages that this issue is critically important for thousands of people out there. Unlike the federal election there is no ambiguity here about what is meant.
    2. It puts RA and Qantas on the back foot on two levels. RA can no longer rely on lawfare to break Folau and, in any case, winning may not be winning. They might beat Folau in court but see thousands walk away from the game.
    3. The bedwetters in the Liberal Party have been hit between the eyes with what people think about religious freedom.

  39. Cassie of Sydney

    “C.L.
    #3049255, posted on June 22, 2019 at 12:39 pm
    He won’t come anywhere near $3 million, by the way.”

    Why so negative? And so what if he doesn’t! He will probably hit a million and that will help……he will receive personal anonymous donations. He needs our help….he doesn’t have the Catholic church behind him like Pell does and even that is probably costing the church up to 10 million to fund Pell’s legal fees….Bret Walker doesn’t come cheap.

  40. RobK

    Gez @12.03,
    Useless prick files an unfair dismissal claim 
    Ideally, from the employees perspective, a pre-emptive “safety issue” would have been raised before moves to be sacked, so the onus is on the employer to prove the motive wasn’t in retaliation and therefore unfair. IR is a mine field that takes the gloss off employing people.

  41. old bloke

    I received an email this morning from GoFundMe saying that they have refunded my payment to the Israel Folau Action Fund (I contributed yesterday morning). No explanation was given regarding why my contribution was returned, I just checked the fundraiser web page and contributions are still going in (now $522K).

    Did anyone else get a refund email message?

  42. Empire 5:5

    The martyr is entitled to seek help from the crowd and the onlooker entitled to offer it. This is an ethical application of the natural rights of freedom of association and exchange.

    caveat emptor

  43. None

    He is reportedly worth several million. He doesn’t need any help.
    That’s panhandling.

    C.L. may I suggest that you’re all talk and no action. You have never put yourself out there in your entire life. It’s very easy to sit on a blog and pretend that you are going to be the great knight who will willingly sacrifice his entire livelihood walk to the burning stake. So if you go then Sunshine, put your own money where your big fat mouth is. I’ve seen your type often enough who sit there and push other people to make needless sacrifices and end up in Rouen while you then run away and hide like a coward and pretend well you know you were not responsible because it was their choice. There are a million and one of you and unfortunately many of you are in the Catholic church as Mr N (a Catholic) reminds me. As I said here from the outset, Izzy will find all his so-called friends quickly abandoning him but he will find new friends and supporters in the most unexpected places because it is only when the chips are down that true character will out. Basically C.L. you are just a stinge and yet another type who resents other people’s wealth. But worse you not only don’t want to donate you want to discourage other people from participating in the fight. While I have always respected your intellect I have long pegged you for a coward. Thanks for confirming.

  44. Dr Faustus

    The $800,000 soon-to-resign-for-personal-reasons MegaGoth explains GoFundMe:

    “From our perspective (Go Fund Me) is a place where sick children get support, so it’s certainly not a strategy we think is appropriate,” Rugby Australia chief executive Raelene Castle told Nine News.

    Understandable when you thought you had the uppity boy under a glass and it was just a matter of waiting for the shitstorm to pass. However, from GoFundMe’s perspective, GoFundMe is a place for: “Free fundraising for the people and causes you care about

    Just so happens that 6,500 people care about the fact that you have done a shite job running Rugby.
    And apparently 25% of them are called Alan Joyce.

    FYI: That’s more than a typical Reds crowd…

  45. C.L.

    … he doesn’t have the Catholic church behind him like Pell does

    The Assemblies of God is worth probably tens, if not hundreds, of millions of dollars. Their other noteworthy characteristic – besides being heretics – is that they’re thrilled that Cardinal Pell is in jail.

  46. Leigh Lowe

    Roger

    #3049260, posted on June 22, 2019 at 12:41 pm

    He is reportedly worth several million.

    Yes, reportedly.

    Yes, and look at all the objective reporting this morning.

  47. Cassie of Sydney

    “FYI: That’s more than a typical Reds crowd…”

    And soon to be more than a typical Waratah’s crowd.

  48. C.L.

    Folau has also hit out at the Virgin Mary and the Catholic rite of baptism.
    So yeah.
    Good luck with your court-case, dickhead. I mean that, though.
    But fund it yourself. I don’t bankroll Mary bashers.

  49. Cassie of Sydney

    I actually think some of the worse coverage is in the Daily Telegraph. It is disgraceful.

  50. P

    He needs our help….he doesn’t have the Catholic church behind him like Pell does and even that is probably costing the church up to 10 million to fund Pell’s legal fees….Bret Walker doesn’t come cheap.

    I do not believe that the Catholic church is funding Cardinal Pell’s legal fees. I understand costs are being met by private donations.

  51. Empire 5:5

    45 rebrands 737:

    What do I know about branding, maybe nothing (but I did become President!), but if I were Boeing, I would FIX the Boeing 737 MAX, add some additional great features, & REBRAND the plane with a new name.
    No product has suffered like this one. But again, what the hell do I know?

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 15, 2019

    But there’s something very interesting regarding how the announcement was made, and I don’t think it’s a coincidence. If you look at IAG’s press release about this deal, you’ll see that nowhere do they use the term “MAX.”

    Instead they simply refer to the planes they want to order as the 737-8 and 737-10. While those are technically the names of the planes, that’s the first time I’ve ever seen an airline not use the word “MAX” In a press release when referring to this type of plane.

    I suspect this was a coordinated effort between Boeing and IAG, given the nature of the deal.

    https://onemileatatime.com/737-max-rebrand/

  52. is worth probably tens, if not hundreds, of millions of dollars.

    So if you have money then you are a bad guy. Right got it.

  53. rickw

    He is reportedly worth several million. He doesn’t need any help.

    If he receives the help then it makes it clear to RA and would be RA’s that they are vigorously rubbing a silent majority the wrong way. The go fund me is far more than a matter of money.

  54. Leigh Lowe

    Cassie of Sydney

    #3049262, posted on June 22, 2019 at 12:43 pm

    “C.L.
    #3049255, posted on June 22, 2019 at 12:39 pm
    He won’t come anywhere near $3 million, by the way.”

    He doesn’t need to.
    $1 meg should be enough to bankrupt RA.
    That will take this beyond the Federal Court and, if he needs more for a High Court appeal, he will pull another $200k – $300k easily.

  55. Cassie of Sydney

    “P
    #3049273, posted on June 22, 2019 at 12:51 pm
    He needs our help….he doesn’t have the Catholic church behind him like Pell does and even that is probably costing the church up to 10 million to fund Pell’s legal fees….Bret Walker doesn’t come cheap.

    I do not believe that the Catholic church is funding Cardinal Pell’s legal fees. I understand costs are being met by private donations.”

    Thanks P…I wasn’t aware of that…I just presumed the church was funding it.

  56. max

    Remember the outrage when the Catholic church was supposedly dealing with sexual abuse claimants behind closed doors ?

    Now Vicpol wants to do the same re its dealings with Lawyer X. Well, of course we can trust the police.

  57. None

    C.L.

    #3049268, posted on June 22, 2019 at 12:47 pm

    oh now out it comes. The bigotry of it all. For your information the assemblies of God does not exist and has not existed in Australia for some time. Churches like Izzy’s are independent and each maintained their own assets. They might loosely affiliate with other churches that their independent. You know a bit like the Catholic brothers are entirely independent of Dioceses. You might hate the prosperity gospel and I’m sure lots of other people do but the fact is that every person is entitled to express their own beliefs on their own time without losing their job. Clearly like a good little fascist you only agree in supporting Freedom for people who believe exactly as you do.

  58. Some History

    An Oyrish Jork (maybe it’s not a jork).

    An Irishman was flustered not being able to find a parking space in a large mall’s parking lot.

    “Lord,” he prayed, “I can’t stand this. If you open space up for me, I swear I’ll give up drinking me whisky, and I promise to go to church every Sunday.”

    Suddenly, the clouds parted, and the sun shone on an empty parking spot. Without hesitation, the man said, “Never mind, I found one.”

  59. rickw

    Meanwhile, in the formerly white, now “vibrant” city of London …
    Shocking moment laughing teenagers kick a delivery driver in the head and steal his moped as they launch vicious attack on London street.

    By “laughing teenagers,” the DM means black teenagers.

    They have one skill:

    The ability to turn any city into Mogadishu.

  60. Cassie of Sydney

    “Leigh Lowe
    #3049277, posted on June 22, 2019 at 12:55 pm”

    Yep..RA is critically short of moulah.

  61. Leigh Lowe

    C.L.

    #3049271, posted on June 22, 2019 at 12:51 pm

    Folau has also hit out at the Virgin Mary and the Catholic rite of baptism.
    So yeah.
    Good luck with your court-case, dickhead. I mean that, though.
    But fund it yourself. I don’t bankroll Mary bashers.

    Ah, now we are getting to the nub of it.
    Have a chat to Voltaire and get back to me about free speech.
    I am still interested in your view as to what level of personal assets George Pell should get down to before he accepts donations for his defence.
    It is a legitimate question which you should answer after attacking Folau.

  62. None

    CassI, Pell has got a private legal fund which is administered by a suburban lawyer ( monies are paid into his trust account). The Catholic Church is providing zero financial support. If anyone wants details about how to donate yell out.

  63. bespoke

    Clearly like a good little fascist you only agree in supporting Freedom for people who believe exactly as you do.

    Go to sleep None it’s C.L. ffs!

  64. Some History

    Paddy and Mick are walking down the road, and Paddy’s got a bag of doughnuts in his hand.

    Paddy says to Mick, “If you can guess how many doughnuts are in my bag, you can have them both.”

  65. Dr Faustus

    If he receives the help then it makes it clear to RA and would be RA’s that they are vigorously rubbing a silent majority the wrong way. The go fund me is far more than a matter of money.

    Correct.
    In slacktavist Australia only a tiny proportion of people go through with the donation process.

    The Qantas PR department will be quietly estimating 100,000+ individuals hoping that Alan Joyce burns in Hell.

  66. cuckoo

    The howls of pain coming from the elite/meeja establishment are enough to satisfy me that Folau is doing the right thing. The money raised by Egg Boy on GoFundMe was hailed by these people as evidence that everyone hates evil grumpy right wingers. Now that same weapon is turned on them and they are scrambling for a kill switch like a drowning man for a lifepreserver.

  67. Notafan

    None

    The archbishop of Melbourne issued a statement in relation to Victoria’s new laws, it was circulated in parishes is 2 weeks ago, not the first time something was said. Just because the MSM doesn’t publish things doesn’t mean that things are happening in the Catholic Church.

  68. Some History

    An Irish priest is driving down to New York and gets stopped for speeding in Connecticut. The state trooper smells alcohol on the priest’s breath and then sees an empty wine bottle on the floor of the car.

    He says, “Sir, have you been drinking?”

    “Just water,” says the priest.

    The trooper says, “Then why do I smell wine?”

    The priest looks at the bottle and says, “Good Lord! He’s done it again!”

  69. Cassie of Sydney

    “Have a chat to Voltaire and get back to me about free speech.”

    Well said…..as Miranda Devine said last night on Sharri the Trash Merchant’s show…..”I’m Catholic and as far as Israel Folau is concerned I’m an idolator and I’ll burn in hell……so what.”

  70. None

    Yep The Daily Telegraph has been vicious re Folau. I just call it the Markson Sodomy effect although I notice that Rugby Australia linked to their sportswriter.

  71. Makka

    Your argument that Folau could finance his own legal costs but chooses to give concerned citizens the privilege of being part of his (righteous) cause is highly naive, verging on fanciful.

    Perhaps best to reserve judgement and see where the money actually goes. Izzy may yet put it to a charity or something and is only doing this to demonstrate the support he has in the community.

  72. Notafan

    LL

    Cardinal Pell has no assets that I know of which was why the alleged bribery claim some years ago was so ludicrous.

    There is some reasonableness to Folau funding his own litigation.

    If he wins and get awarded costs will he reimburse donors?

  73. Bruce of Newcastle

    He doesn’t need any help.

    It cofferdams his situation against being financially ruined by RA and Qantas by means of lawfare.
    Right now they must be looking at this and going OS what do we do now?
    Which is a good thing, since they’ve been reacting with brains disconnected so far.
    Their brands are going to hurt very very badly unless they find a way out of the mess they’ve got themselves into. The lawfare option is off the table (probably*) because the publicity would be catastrophic for them.

    * Only probably because the obvious extreme lack of anything resembling a brain cell between Joyce and Castle.

  74. Cassie of Sydney

    “None
    #3049295, posted on June 22, 2019 at 1:05 pm
    Yep The Daily Telegraph has been vicious re Folau. I just call it the Markson Sodomy effect although I notice that Rugby Australia linked to their sportswriter.”

    I have sent an email to advise them that their coverage of Folau is disgraceful and that my subscription to the Telegraph will be terminated Monday morning.

  75. None

    Ok thanks Nota. I just think all of our Christian leaders Catholic or otherwise really need to be on the front foot and get better PR people. I know that there is a sector of the population that likes to Catholic bash in particular and think that because of the sex abuse scandals they have no right to speak but they certainly do. After all let he who is without sin cast The First Stone.

  76. EvilElvis

    money that could have been allocated towards kids’ sport?

    Or forget sport altogether, it could just be pumped into Medicare! For the sick kiddies!..

  77. Leigh Lowe

    Cardinal Pell has no assets that I know of which was why the alleged bribery claim some years ago was so ludicrous.

    Is he bankrupt?
    If not, what level of assets should he be able to retain (using C.L.’s moral and ethical guide) before donations are acceptable.

  78. Leigh Lowe

    First they came for the Pentecostals, and I said nothing, because I was a Catholic …

  79. Cassie of Sydney

    “If not, what level of assets should he be able to retain (using C.L.’s moral and ethical guide) before donations are acceptable.”

    Clearly none.

  80. cohenite

    Meanwhile, in the formerly white, now “vibrant” city of London …
    Shocking moment laughing teenagers kick a delivery driver in the head and steal his moped as they launch vicious attack on London street.

    By “laughing teenagers,” the DM means black teenagers.

    Current crime rates for suds in melbournistan.

    And what Drew Fraser, a law lecturer, said about black crime rates (he was speaking about Somalis at the time) and what happened to him after he said it in 2005.

    Before that Enoch Powell, our Pauline and currently Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux.

    We never learn.

  81. Cassie of Sydney

    “Leigh Lowe
    #3049304, posted on June 22, 2019 at 1:10 pm
    First they came for the Pentecostals, and I said nothing, because I was a Catholic …”

    I thought sectarianism was dead in this country.

  82. None

    Welcome to my world Cassie. I think I have sent three emails to Daily Telegraph about their Folau coverage. At the moment we are subscription free. I am particularly against spending money on these Rags until they lift their games.

  83. Some History

    Stay Cool. Video is ~4 mins long.

    Funny Maine State Trooper Traffic Stop Officer Abused by Speeding Stop

  84. cohenite

    cuckoo

    #3049290, posted on June 22, 2019 at 1:02 pm

    Good point.

  85. Notafan

    But LL Cardinal Pell is relying entirely on donations because he has no assets.

    People were furious when the Christian Brothers etcetera funded the cost of defending certain people but as they pointed out would they have rather they be funded by the taxpayer?

    There is a big difference between criminal matters and Civil matters.

    Why do you require that Cardinal Pell declared bankruptcy?

    Lots of people and their familiesare forced to fund their own criminal and Civil cases who have no assets and are not in the public eye.

    Even if that means expending their entire life savings.

    That poor woman recently in Sydney is a good example of someone who have to spend thousands on defending an outrageous claim that could have resulted in her going to jail..

  86. Steve trickler

    This guy is good. Looking forward to part two.

    Take notes, journos.



  87. The Qantas PR department will be quietly estimating 100,000+ individuals hoping that Alan Joyce burns in Hell.

    Probably not.
    Joyce’s decisions, which so far have been very good for Qantas, pays their salaries.

  88. Notafan

    Cassie the sad truth is the Pentecostals like Israel spend much of their time at church bagging Catholic theology, his sermon on YouTube would be one of hundreds of examples.

    This happens both here and anywhere in the world pentacostals exist. I belong to a US based online Catholic forum where we are daily bombarded by evangelicals telling us that we worship graven images, Mary and a million other things they are taught that allegedly prove Catholicism is a false religion.

    I can assure you that Catholic churches spend zero time attacking Protestant theologies during Sunday masses.

  89. None

    I thought sectarianism was dead in this country.

    Haha if only. The Catholics particularily hate the Pentecostals despite having their own charismatic movement because the Pentecostals keep poaching their parishioners, but they don’t marry the Pentecostals like they married the Anglicans despite hating them as well ; the Pentecostals basically hate everyone, the Protestants are either dead or just another shop front for the green left socialist forum and therefore nearly dead, the evangelicals are trying hard to be Pentecostals and dying in the process and the Orthodox are so few they barely register but there are about as many tyoes as Presbyterians. Christians have never done Unity particularily well.

  90. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Lazing around this arvo at the Westin Moana Surfrider, the grandest old-style hotel on the island of Oahu, a remnant from Hawaii’s Colonial days of Trader Joe and Beachcomber Bill. It is being recolonised back these days by the well- off Chinese and Japanese tourists who appear to love this sort of thing. So do I, actually. These grand old refurbished piles with history and presence set a romantic scene that the rest of Honolulu has given away in favour of the high rise glitz and decaying hotels of later booms that typify modern beach holiday paradises the world over now. Hairy and I walk around noting how much has changed even in the years from when we holidayed here with our young family.

    We had lunch at the beachfront grill here and intend to dine here tonight on the recommended and colonaded Verandah Restaurant. Grown up in front of the gracious and aging old heritage wooden building where the lobbies and the heritage rooms are located is a huge many corm-trunked Banyan tree, one of the most famous trees in America, a listed tree, a National as well as State icon. I blog on our sofa listening to the surf, watching it roll landwards six stories below as the great tree and the drapery of the air root systems supporting its canopy collect and scatter the wind gusts. Now the weather turns darker and the white crests have a Colgate moment against an ocean turning from turquoise to royal blue.

    The blurb on the grill bistro menu told me that Phillipino people thought Banyan trees of great age like this one, which was planted here 150 years ago, were the homes of both giants and dwarfs, and were the particular hangout of a satyr demon, half man half horse: an upside down version, I note, to the Greco-Roman version, for this one had the upper body of a horse and the lower body of a man.

    Which one would you prefer to be? I ask Hairy with an air of innocence, this one or the Greco-Roman type?

    Apparently a no-brainer. What say you, Cats?

  91. None

    If he wins and get awarded costs will he reimburse donors?

    Why should he? He has a clear statement on gofundme outlining that if people want to donate they are accepting that they cannot demand anything in return. So if you want a return don’t donate. I for one am not expecting Pell to reimburse me if he wins an appeal

  92. Notafan

    None news to me that Catholics ‘hate’ pentacostals.

    I find their constant attacks on the church irritating.

    As for poaching, yes well even you would say the prosperity gospel is heretical.

    My observation is that lots of people burn out of it it fairly quickly.

    AOG has been renamed but still exists.

  93. Cassie of Sydney

    Thanks None. We have a schism in Jooooooodaism….and that is between the Orthodox (those same people that the bird shitting SS officer here likes to smear as “religious extremists”) and Reform. Most Australians Jooooos are Orthodox….including myself.

  94. None

    He’s having a tilt that could fail and wants to protect his personal portfolio.
    If true, that may be many things – including prudent and understandable – but it isn’t particularly honourable.

    Reumember C.L. has never done anything “honourable” by his standards in his life. Would C.L. like to tell us if Pope Benedict was honorable when he resigned?

  95. Shy Ted

    The Irish folk of my youth would have taken the politicians out 1 by 1 for such a proposal.

  96. cohenite

    A short excerpt of the best of Groucho notable as the source of Trump’s Prince of Whales joke:

  97. Notafan

    None I’m not suggesting that people expect a refund but if he was awarded costs it would be the honourable thing to do, wouldn’t it?

  98. Mother Lode

    I have no problem with Izzy using a gofundme page even if he could afford to go to fund the action himself.

    I would expect that he from near the outset saw this as not just about him but everyone else of faith being censored and persecuted. Everyone here will have experienced the same thing, where something happens to you and normal human empathy means you quickly sense the indignity on behalf of others.

    And even if he can afford it, why should that mean he must pay alone? He has already earned his money once. Why shouldn’t he be entitled to keep as much as he can?

    I suspect the people who have donated feel better than they would have if they merely read the paper and only voiced support.

    Even the Stinking Moaning Haemorrhoid is stuck facing the fact that there has been a massive outpouring of support – not just some noisy but empty Twitter storm, but people who have opened their wallets. I expect every one of Izzy’s donors would see the SMH’s headlines and feel that they themselves have finally been noticed.

    Why, judging by the number of donations he has made, the toxic leprechaun must be positively euphoric.

  99. None

    Notafan – yes I can understand that you would but that’s possibly because you hang around U.S. based forums where a few nutters engage in relentless Catholic bashing. By the same token other Christians in other forums will complain of the endless triumphalism of Catholics. My own view is to encourage every Christian to be the best Christian they can be , whether they’re Catholic, Protestant, Lutheran whatever. So yes I even remind Mr N to go to mass. Yes there’s a high churn rate in Pentecostal churches and no the Assemblies of God as an entity no longer exists; it has not just been renamed it has actually been reshaped because some of the bigger Pentecostal churches that are in the news have left that “organisation.” In any case it’s not as if there is an entity that holds a whole pile of assets as somebody suggested above. Each Pentecostal church is essentially independent and any membership in major bodies is purely voluntary.

  100. Notafan

    Just to be clear, costs don’t get awarded if you are proven to be innocent in criminal matters in Australia. You just don’t go to or you get you get released from jail.

    Is that cost you two million dollars it’s just bad luck.

    However in civil matters in Australia successful parties typically do request and get awarded costs if their side is successful

  101. Notafan

    Hillsong left, yes.

    So much for Christian unity.

    You can call it triumphalism, Catholic call it the truth, I’m sorry if people don’t like it.

    As for a few nutters that is not the case, it is very clear that Pentecostal churches spend a lot of time teaching their congregations about the evils of Catholicism otherwise comparatively new Christian’s like Israel would not be getting up in church as a lay preacher telling people how Easter and Christmas are wrong, that our lady is worshipped and Catholic baptism is incorrect.

  102. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Our heritage room, by the way, contains some heritage plumbing, circa 1999 I’d say, which was once cutting-edge style, but which is now sheerly irritating for us older demographics. It turned another sort of cutting edge when a sharp corner on the designer shower door became all style but poor function, ripping some skin from my arm as I waved my arm around around, as is my wont when making a point. The point was to Hairy, who had called for my assistance, totally unable to drive the convoluted overhead vs hand-held shower taps, for their designer had forgotten that tiny marks in the steel cannot be readily seen by 67 year old hairy apes in a lather whom a sudden cold waterfall had just doused.

    My eyes are better than his, and also, I now had skin in the game. 🙂

  103. None

    Notafan, I donated and expect nothing in return. If he is up for the fight he will pay huge cost not just in terms of money. In fact that is my attitude towards any donation I make anywhere for any reason. I make a judgement as to whether something is worthwhile and whether the person who receives a donation is trustworthy and then I donate or I don’t. And I don’t expect to receive that donation back. If people are expecting something in return then don’t donate. Izzy has actually been honorable in stating that out front so that people are under no illusions and can chose to donate or otherwise with full information upfront. This is even more transparent than even gofundme who don’t tell you they’re already taking a big slice when they try hit you for a donation towards their so-called platform costs. It’s also more honourable than the people who set a target and yet keep taking money when they have exceeded their fundraising target ( Peter Ridd for example was honorable but shutting down donations once he hit his target). If you don’t feel comfortable about it don’t donate. There is nothing wrong with that that’s your choice.

  104. The NBN has descended on my suburb.

    I’m desperately trying to find an upside.

    Prior to the NBN, I had high speed, reliable broadband and a reliable phone service that didn’t require additional power.

    Has anybody calculated the number of extra coals that will be burned to power the NBN?.

  105. None

    Notafan

    #3049330, posted on June 22, 2019 at 1:51 pm

    The Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox could quite rightfully challenge the Catholic Church on any notions of being exclusive purveyors of truth. I am not a historian but I do know a bit about christian history and I can tell you Christians have never been unified as even the New Testament documents attest. If there is a god and if Jesus is truly the head of the church, I am more than certain that this god is quite capable of leading people to the truth. Izzy will not be the first person to criticise Catholic theology and won’t be the last and as everyone knows here there are plenty of alleged Catholics who do a pretty good job of tearing down Catholic teaching. Hello Kristina Keneally, hello Aldo Albany Z, hello Bill Shorten, and on and on it goes. There are only two distinctives in Christian teaching as far as I’m concerned and they are Trinity and Incarnation and if you hold to those two and strive to follow Christ then I deem you to be a Christian however imperfect you may be and I encourage you to be the best Christian you can be.

  106. bespoke

    I waved my arm around around, as is my wont when making a point.

    I bet Atapus (sic) thinks he an fly, Lizzie 🤣

  107. None

    Cassie of Sydney

    #3049321, posted on June 22, 2019 at 1:35 pm

    Cassie I was vaguely aware of the schism in Jooodaism but I confess that I am largely ignorant of how it came about. Most of the Joos that I have met have been progressive and here I confess again that they’ve all struck me as basically stock standard lefties who don’t eat pork and smoked a lot of weed.
    I have only met a few Orthodox Jews here in Oz – briefly had an Orthodox Joo boss once but he was around for such a short time that I can barely remember his name. I’ve always admired and respected those who take their faith seriously – and that includes Orthodox Joos over against progressives (in that respect even Izzy Folau is worth admiration for at least making an effort unlike the squillion and one cafeteria Catholics like Kristina Keneally ). However I’m well aware that both Orthodox and progressive Jooos face a particular existential threat that nobody else does in the world.
    The one exception is those of ROP. The less seriously they take the tenets of their faith the more I admire them. That also has something to do with existential threats.
    I’ve said this before but I’ll say it again : You’re a great inspiration o me, Cassie and I’m really pleased to have come across you in cyberspace.

  108. Notafan

    I’m well aware but from the very beginning Christian Unity was never a given unfortunately that is the consequence of sin.
    My point regarding Israel is that people in the Pentecostal (and other churches such is SDA) are taught the Catholicism is not even Christian, that is a big difference.

    and yes there are many within the church that deny fundamental Catholic dogma, they walk among us.

    Bill Shorten is not a Catholic at best he was raised as a cultural Catholic, by his mother’s own admission, but he converted to anglicanism when he remarried.

    There are certainly some denominations which have strayed sufficiently far to not truly be Christian, I am also concerned about philosophies such as once saved always saved and eternal security which give people a very false notion.

  109. None

    Cassie of Sydney

    #3049321, posted on June 22, 2019 at 1:35 pm

    Cassie I was vaguely aware of the schism in Jooodaism but I confess that I am largely ignorant of how it came about. Most of the Joos that I have met have been progressive and here I confess again that they’ve all struck me as basically stock standard lefties who don’t eat pork and smoked a lot of weed.
    I have only met a few Orthodox Joos here in Oz – briefly had an Orthodox Joo boss once but he was around for such a short time that I can barely remember his name. I’ve always admired and respected those who take their faith seriously – and that includes Orthodox Joos over against progressives (in that respect even Izzy Folau is worth admiration for at least making an effort unlike the squillion and one cafeteria Catholics like Kristina Keneally ). However I’m well aware that both Orthodox and progressive Jooos face a particular existential threat that nobody else does in the world.
    The one exception is those of ROP. The less seriously they take the tenets of their faith the more I admire them. That also has something to do with existential threats.
    I’ve said this before but I’ll say it again : You’re a great inspiration o me, Cassie and I’m really pleased to have come across you in cyberspace.

    ( it took me several attempts to get this past the sperminator and I actually really dislike writing Joo to get around it)

  110. None

    sperminator? Haha sometimes my phone even makes *me* laugh.

  111. Fisky

    More evidence that immigration is the main cause of Australia’s disastrous productivity slide. Three GDP per capita recessions, since we opened the immigration spigots.

    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/06/australias-mass-immigration-economy-wrecking-productivity/

  112. Twostix

    Maybe some angst that old worn out Pell is quietly ushered into prison while young aggressive protty Foleau is unapologetic, fighting like a brawler and so getting public support.

    Catholics used to be like that too.

  113. old bloke

    Cassie of Sydney
    #3049321, posted on June 22, 2019 at 1:35 pm

    Thanks None. We have a schism in Jooooooodaism….and that is between the Orthodox (those same people that the bird shitting SS officer here likes to smear as “religious extremists”) and Reform. Most Australians Jooooos are Orthodox….including myself.

    I’ve been corrected by Jooish friends and acquaintances when I mention Orthodox Joodaism, they prefer to describe their beliefs as Rabbinical Joodaism. I use “orthodox” as meaning “mainstream”, but I understand that Orthodox has different connotations within the Jooish community, which refers to different sects of eastern European origin.

    Are there many Karaites in Australia?

  114. None

    I hear you Nota. Personally I have a hard enough time keeping my own life in order than to worry about saving the rest of the world. And as you know it’s not going to be the Pentecostals that are going to judge you in the next life so don’t lose heart. Personally I just figure: be the best person you can be and encourage those around to be the best Christians or Joos or whatever. I even encourage atheists to be true to their atheistic beliefs ( if only just because I like amusing myself over their incoherence. Hey a girl has got to have a little bit of fun).

  115. Cassie of Sydney

    Old Bloke…..I know one Karaite here in Oz….most made aliyah from Egypt to Israel. I know they are regarded as Halachic Jooooos by the Chief Rabbinate of Israel. Karaites don’t accept the Oral Law.

  116. Twostix

    My point regarding Israel is that people in the Pentecostal (and other churches such is SDA) are taught the Catholicism is not even Christian, that is a big difference.

    Nah they mostly just think catholics are a bit of a weird cult, like how catholics call everyone else heretical cultists (see above).

    They generally think catholics are christian and going to heaven so long as they accept jesus christ as saviour, for pentecostals there’s little more to it than that.

  117. Notafan

    Twostix

    Not convinced when one is a civil matter the other is a criminal matter.

    Particularly when the philosophy in relation to sexual offences is that the victim must be believed no matter what, no matter how unconvincing the story is, no matter how many times their statements must be amended in light of exculpatory evidence etc

    Folau has yet to have his matter heard and for the record I made a small donation to him for the sake of freedom of religion.

    And also for the record Cardinal Pell’s matters have all been funded by donation, just not via a go fund me account.

  118. None

    Twostix

    #3049349, posted on June 22, 2019 at 2:29 pm

    Fair point.
    Although pal in his own quiet way is really taking a stand by returning to Australia instead of claiming diplomatic immunity, and in maintaining silence and going to jail and not even appealing the length of the sentence as one who is innocent. I can certainly point to a few crazy brave moments in my life – a couple of which cost me dearly – but I am not too sure I would have had those sorts of cojones. I never want to be on the inside of a jail cell.

  119. Twostix

    If the media think they’re going to turn the public against Foleau by publishing his private financial affairs and brining in some insane sick children thing… they are very wrong.

  120. dover_beach

    Maybe some angst that old worn out Pell is quietly ushered into prison while young aggressive protty Foleau is unapologetic, fighting like a brawler and so getting public support.

    Don’t be hasty, I was listening, the other night, to a protty of the Uniting Church on the ABC explaining how great Vic’s euthanasia laws were, having written a book in support of euthanasia himself, and bemoaning the Catholic Church’s continuing opposition.

  121. Tintarella di Luna

    I do not believe that the Catholic church is funding Cardinal Pell’s legal fees. I understand costs are being met by private donations.

    That is correct and the fund taking donations from the public is a controlled account administered by a legal firm in Melbourne.

  122. Twostix

    Media bugmen class always do this.

    They lose an election so use their media to smash someone or something they see as a totem of the enemy.

    Makes them feel better.

  123. None

    535K for Izzy.

    $20

    Illawarriors Juniors Stand with Izzy

    5 mins ago

  124. Val Majkus

    about the gofundme discussion, I recall there was a dairy farmer case where the ATO indicated the proceeds of gofundme in the hand of the recipient should be treated as income; does anyone know whether there’s been an ATO ruling on that issue

  125. None

    LOL as I keep saying the Punters are listening:

    $75

    SMH and Telegraph trying to stop us contributing – shame shame shame

    25 mins ago

  126. Gab

    I do not believe that the Catholic church is funding Cardinal Pell’s legal fees. I understand costs are being met by private donations.

    That is correct.

    And if Pell doesn’t want to do a gfundme page, that’s up to him. And if a millionaire has a gofundme page, then it’s up to him and the people who want to give him money.

  127. Twostix

    Don’t be hasty, I was listening, the other night, to a protty of the Uniting Church on the ABC explaining how great Vic’s euthanasia laws were, having written a book in support of euthanasia himself, and bemoaning the Catholic Church’s continuing opposition.

    You know me dover, protestants have about 10 good ones out of the 75000 weirdo fake churches they have running around.

    I was just saying to that perhaps there’s a feeling of unfairness which is causing some angst.

  128. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Bespoke, Attapuss is spelt thus. And yes, he does think he can fly from a great height chasing after birds from our high verandahs, as various trips to the vet can attest. I did laugh at that clip thoug.

    Apropos the current discussion on the Cat, we have just seen on a street corner near the beach three Hawaiian men wearing hi-vis yellow vests. One was holding up a sign saying Prepare ro meet thy God. On the other side was written Ho Mo Sex is a Sin. The two others were handing out pamphlets in this land of free speech. Underneath the tourism Hawaii is still a place of Pentecostal severity, missionised as was Samoa from the very early days. James Michener’s great novel captures that well, and on the streets we found ourselves looking at a still living religion. They may of course have been Mormans, who are also strong on Oahu.

  129. None

    Val I’m sure our intrepid journalusts are Googling that up as we speak because they want to do anything and everything to bankrupt Izzy because he has challenged the Gods of Sodomy. Sodomy must win.

  130. Twostix

    Nice to know that the far left “business analysts” at The Australian consider this a real story

    The thinking is: “the dumb bigotty bigot proles donating to his defence will turn on him when they find out he’s rich!”

  131. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Hairy just told me they now have another sign, just one word saying Repent. Keeping it simple. All hand done in red paint and a lot more interesting than some greenies going on again.

  132. None

    What’s interesting fisker is that both Murdoch and 9 newspapers are singing from the same song sheet re Folau. It’s really interesting because I quoted Mark Steyn”s famous comment about the anglicans striving to become a cult of upscale western sodomites and their attendant fetishes which they wholeheartedly approved off and print and yet point out that HR generalist are a similar cult and they all go to water. Lefties are such two-faced a-holes.

  133. None

    *that their journalists

  134. old bloke

    Cassie of Sydney
    #3049352, posted on June 22, 2019 at 2:37 pm

    Old Bloke…..I know one Karaite here in Oz….most made aliyah from Egypt to Israel. I know they are regarded as Halachic Jooooos by the Chief Rabbinate of Israel. Karaites don’t accept the Oral Law.

    Thanks Cassie. They’re in a similar boat as non-denominational Christians, just follow the book and ignore the various interpretations and associated dogma.

  135. Twostix

    What is being whispered here is that christianity, in the minds of the political power is basically now,
    banned.

    They’re equal parts outraged and surprised that not everyone got that loud and clear with all of the educational campaigns they’ve run.

  136. Fisky

    The thinking is: “the dumb bigotty bigot proles donating to his defence will turn on him when they find out he’s rich!”

    Yeah, you dumb racist bigots, just let us destroy Folau and we promise we won’t persecute you too (you revolting deplorables who need replacing pronto)

  137. None

    Oops about to hit 540K. Our chattering class must be cacking itself and bysily trying to conquer some sex scandal or something next.

  138. Val Majkus

    thanks None, just wondering, in the dairy farmer case the difference meant a lot; just don’t know whether or not there was a ATO ruling or not

  139. Mother Lode

    New 25 year old r.pe allegations against the Trump.

    Isn’t this just socialists all over? Just like every other line of production, when they want to manufacture ‘crimes’ they are low quality, bland, and unvaried.

    Their fixations at present are sex and race, so every enemy is accused of sex crimes and raaaaacism. And of course to be accused is to be guilty – that pesky middle step ‘evidence’ is a distraction and fraught with opportunities for convenient technicalities such as being as the person accused being 20,000km away giving a speech in front of a crowded room.

    If people on the right were as uniformly raaaaacist and rope addicted the other people on the right would have noticed it.

    The ancient Romans always wheeled out accusations of incest when they needed to get someone.

    I promise you, if the left decided smashed avocado with bacon was the worst thing in the world then within 5 minutes there would be a line of ‘courageous’ chefs lined up outside the NYT with lurid tales of Trump eating avocado, bacon and ketchup sandwiches.

  140. Rafe

    Re dopey at 12.28
    Give me a break. I played all my league in the front row.

  141. None

    Val. It is quite clear that Izzy has sought legal advice about his go fund me page and I’m pretty sure that he has sought financial advice about the impact on his tax assessment. And I bet that there would be enough psycho anti Christian lefties in the public sector to ensure someone is even poking around in his tax records without authorisation and will certainly leak to the press if there’s anything that can be used as bait. Hmm yes I would bet on that.

  142. Twostix

    They have to crush Foleau now, they know that. The entire establiahment are coming on now. This represents a small outbreak and is leading to completely unacceptable disobedience and insolence. Severe disrepect to poltite society.

    So far they’ve sat in his church and broadcast him, published his financials, said he’s robbing sick children. Prepare for them to #metoo him.

  143. Val Majkus

    None, you’re probably right,

  144. None

    The ancient Romans always wheeled out accusations of incest when they needed to get someone.

    Ah Tacitus. School kids don’t know what they’re missing by not being forced to take Latin.

  145. None

    Oh dear someone may have been reading the cat.

    $100

    Homosexual Leprechaun

    27 mins ago

    Good to see that the Aussie sense of humour is still alive and well.

  146. Speedbox

    He won’t come anywhere near $3 million, by the way.

    Yeah, almost certainly not via gofundme he won’t. But just as you say that, I am equally sure that private non-gofundme donations will add up to a substantial sum.

    Israel Folau is not in isolation. He has friends and acquaintances, some of whom will have money. More pointedly, there will be people in Australia who are sufficiently wealthy to make a substantial donation but would never do it via gofundme.

    I thought Folau’s treatment by RA (and Qantas) was a bloody travesty. If I was sufficiently wealthy, I would have no problem, and would almost consider myself duty-bound, to contribute to fight this type of corporate aggression. I am equally sure I wouldn’t do it via credit card on gofundme.

    Isn’t it conceivable there are dozens/hundreds/thousands of like-minded people in this country who are wealthy enough to make larger contributions? Those same individuals would be well aware of the gofundme campaign. And by the way, the target sum of $3m wasn’t just plucked out of the air. Think about it.

    We will likely never know the income achieved by the broader campaign but I would be very hesitant to say that he won’t come anywhere near $3 million. RA should be shitting themselves.

  147. Twostix

    The two holiest periods in the Christian calendar have come under attack by dual international Israel Folau.

    Hmmmmmm!

    What are you saying there Foxsports?

    “These fucken proles! Don’t the even know he’s rich and has dual citizenship like we all do?!!! They hate is but not him??”

    Yes but we hate you because you’re you.

  148. Twostix

    Clearly people have been asking Foleau to setup a Gofundme page so they can help pay for his defense.

    It definiely lacks christian charity to assume he’s done so as a bit of a scam.

  149. None

    If there’s a sex scandal concoction or income tax irregularity against Izzy I’m going to bet it will come from The Daily Telegraph and Sharri Markson will or the sportswriter with that strange surname will have a hand in it. They both have form in this department.

    If the Daily Telegraph wants to complain about Izzy raising money under false pretenses, they should remember that he’s put a very clear statement as to why he’s asking for money and what to expect or not to expect and then they should remember that they had Tim Blair, one of their major draw cards, begging people to subscribe and then going off on extended leave. There have already been complaints on his blog that some people subscribed purely to read Tim’s blog.

  150. None

    The two holiest periods in the Christian calendar have come under attack by dual international Israel Folau.

    was this in the press that dutifully attacks all Christian beliefs year in year out, avoids greeting anyone with Merry Christmas and even reduces slaughtered Christians to Easter worshippers is or whatever is abomination they came up with last time?

  151. bespoke

    Attapuss is spelt thus

    👍

  152. Infidel Tiger

    Folau can’t believe his luck. The media are the best PR agents for his cause he could hope for.

    They just don’t get it.

    Some of the most irreligious people I know are backing him to the hilt. Normal Australians want corporatism and leftism smashed.

  153. Old Lefty

    A very acute observation from a droll English monsignor who could have been Chesterton’ Father Brown: ‘Mybdear fellow, if you don’t have one infallible pope in Rome you end up with a self-appointed one on every street corner.’ How many Pentecostal denominations was that again?

  154. Infidel Tiger

    The most woke and leftist people on earth are sports journos.

    They are utter filth.

  155. Twostix

    The daily telegraph etc are communicating their Very Loud desire for Gofundme to cancel Foleau’s campaign.

    They want that so bad and are undoubtably very angry that it hasn’t already happened.

    Don’t Gofundme know who’s side they’re on??

  156. Des Deskperson

    I’m just back from a couple of weeks in the PRC. As before, I found it fascinating but slightly repellent.

    Individually, its citizens are often kind, helpful, friendly and intelligent. Collectively, however, they tend to be ill-mannered and pushy. They push each other around in public places, they push each other around in the streets and on the roads, the kids push their parents around and the authorities push everyone around. It’s a weird mix of unruliness and repression.

    The public face of Chinese authority seems even more bloated than it used to be. In Beijing, in particular, the ‘Bao’ans’ – the black clad corps of security guards – I assume they are official because they wear the same insignia and badges of rank of the National Police – have pullulated and now swarm in public places. Movement of crowds is carefully controlled. You are trying to go somewhere and all of a sudden a couple of Bao’ans shove a portable barrier in front of you and bark at you go away.

    On a domestic flight preparing to land, the stewardess – as neat and sweet in appearance as any other stewardess anywhere in the world – started screaming – there is no other descriptor for it – at passengers who were a little tardy in belting up. For someone whose experience of stewardesses in any culture is that they are consistently controlled and polite in difficult circumstances, it was bit frightening. No one else seemed to think it unusual.

    In the coalfields of Shanxi Province, the roads are clogged with a continuous convoy of 22 wheeler trucks loaded with coal. I’ve also seem kilometre-long coal trains. China reportedly subsidises the purchase of electric vehicles by its citizens and certainly rewards owners of low emission cars with special green number plates, but I saw no evidence that China will give up fossil fuels any time soon.

  157. None

    The most woke and leftist people on earth are sports journos.

    They are utter filth.

    I have certainly had my eyes opened to this truth these past 48 hours.

  158. Speedbox

    Hey Lizzie – thanks for the story you related about your daughter. Your circumstances then are close to ours now. Except, we will push on. Our daughter would be crushed if we exited her sport. So, overseas training is the only viable solution.

  159. None

    Twostix

    #3049395, posted on June 22, 2019 at 3:35 pm

    I did ask that question yesterday two sticks as to whether the media will try to get Izzy kicked off gofundme but on the other hand go fund me is making a killing from his campaign so they may be a bit reluctant to be so work this time. We shall see. Hopefully Izzy is drawing the money out regularly although I don’t know how much control he has over there or whether the gofundme tyrants hold on to it for the overnight money markets etcetera. I have no doubt that there have been a mountain of complaints already lodged to go fund me but if he has played it right he or his Representatives may have approached go fund me first about their campaign. Remember gofundme is not the only platform out there and they can also be legally challenged under anti-discrimination law.

  160. Twostix

    Be careful of liberals using this opportunity to “enshrine” religious protection into law.

    As Howard “enshrined” marriage between a man and women into law which was then used as the reason the government can change it, so too will the liberals “religious protection” laws eventually be used as the levet to ban christianity forever.

  161. jupes

    The most woke and leftist people on earth are sports journos.

    They are utter filth.

    Patrick Smith … Come on down!

    His column this morning was like a punch-drunk boxer flailing around not hitting anyone. Embarrassing.

  162. Infidel Tiger

    None, Go Fund Me makes zero from each campaign unless people donating decide to give them something.

  163. None

    So numbers you might want to look at those kids gofundme pages and know what their targets were and what the monies were for and whether they have met or even exceeded their targets.
    Then I hope to see your substantial donation on all of their Pages. They’re still accepting money and really happy to have had Izzy’s publicity. Run along then, darls.

  164. Speedbox

    Folau – heading strongly towards $550k from 7,000 contributors.

  165. Infidel Tiger

    Get on any sports journos Twitter account and you discover a number of things.

    They are generally very broken people, they are all too often homos and they are all far left woken weirdos.

  166. Old School Conservative

    Meanwhile, the under 20 Wallabies play in the final of their world cup against reigning champions France on Sunday morning.
    And in this afternoon’s Shute Shield match of the day, Amy Perret is the ref. No quotas just a very good ref who has made her way up the ranks with consistently sound refereeing.

    Al the good news drowned out by the shrill chorus trying to destroy Folau.

  167. Twostix

    Another look at Izzy’s alternative reality.

    A disgrace that Murdoch has ordered his “journalists” to all write exactly the same thing today.

    Amirite numbers?

    Jesus christ who wrote that? An emotional 14 year old girl? That is the level of literacy coming out of Qld schools, well done!

  168. feelthebern

    NZ v Tonga on Fox.
    Pre match made me wish I was a polynesian.

  169. cohenite

    Izzy still going gangbusters at a mardi gras spit under $550K.

    Great essay on Izzy here:

    PC terminology distorts the truth

    Angela Shanahan The Australian June 22, 2019

    Do readers remember when the term “political correctness” was on every conservative’s lips and at the fingertips of every commentator? That term, used as a phrase to denote intimidatory “right think”, is unfortunately fast leaving the lexicon. This is because so much of what was once scoffed at as political correctness has been absorbed into the mental and psychological landscape. Today almost every political and social problem is looked at through a set of ideological prisms, and opinions on even the most serious issues are conveyed through a menu of acceptable tropes. The result is superficial, ideologically motivated mumbo jumbo.

    Take violence against women. Lately the union boss John Setka got himself into a lot of trouble about this issue. Why? Not just because he himself has been charged with harassing a woman through phone and text messages, nor because he has publicly threatened Australian Building and Construction Commission inspectors, claiming their children will be made to feel “ashamed” of them, nor because he is the boss of a union that has used systematic bullying at building sites for years.

    No, this is not why Setka has been threatened with expulsion from the ALP and his job. It is because he was perceived to criticise Rosie Batty, whose campaign against gender-based domestic violence has turned her into an untouchable icon of the virtuous right-thinking elite. Does anyone see the irony of this?

    Of course, no one should criticise Batty, who had the hellish experience of seeing her child killed by his mentally deranged father. Her son was the victim of the most appalling laxity on the part of the police. Her husband had four outstanding arrest warrants and two intervention orders against him. He should not have been let loose to murder that child. At the inquest the police lack of action was criticised by the judge as revealing “a disturbingly relaxed attitude and a failure to accord an appropriate degree of urgency to the situation”. Obviously.

    However, despite her devastating personal experience, Batty’s campaign will be fruitless, doomed to empty breast-beating. This is because it is a direct product of political correctness. The campaign, which was started during the prime ministership of Malcolm Turnbull with $100 million of taxpayer money, was never going to have any effect on the real causes of domestic violence, because it is seemingly not about looking at the real causes.

    It has been hijacked as an ideological campaign by ambitious feminists, harnessing the mantra of gender inequality, to attack something that does not originate in gender inequality.

    Rather, domestic violence has its origins in the twin social evils of alcohol and drug abuse, combined with poverty, large-scale family breakdown, and of course inadequate policing. Hence domestic violence is most acute in Australia in Aboriginal communities. However, that fact does not play to the anti-racism ideology. So while the professional feminists are using domestic violence as a vehicle to promote yet more talkfests and paid lectures, Aboriginal women and children are being continually subjected to the most degrading physical and sexual violence.

    Meanwhile, in the alternative universe in which we white educated types live, the men are not allowed to question any of this. Instead, they are encouraged to pay homage to the phony gender rubric that frames any discussion about domestic violence by flinging off the scourge of their maleness and sporting white ribbons.

    Women are too hamstrung by the platitudes of feminists to query this agenda. So we are all obliged to treat domestic violence not as a practical problem of the drug culture and of policing, but as a seriously vague “gender issue” about which men have to beat their breasts and women take the high ground as victims and then demand that governments should do something, even though government can do very little….

  170. It definiely lacks christian charity to assume he’s done so as a bit of a scam.

    You are right as far as it goes, Twostix, but I think most people here are missing the point of the bigger picture.

    There was never a hope in hell that a Go Fund Me effort was going to raise three million. I think that was the whole point. As I understand it (and I’m probably wrong) if the set target isn’t reached, the donations are refunded, less charges.

    What it was intended to do, and has accomplished in spades, is demonstrate to the powers that be that There is massive public support for Folau’s efforts, and/or a huge demonstration of people generally fed up with PC. We know this working because the Powers of Darkness have mobilised their second biggest weapon, the MSM.

    The fact that the donations are stil pouring in shows that effort has failed.

  171. Twostix

    I presume all of the wallabies and journalist class will be donating 90% of their excessive salaries to sick kids gofundme campaign today.

    Yes/no?

  172. None

    $20

    The more rubbish they release on you the more people support you#standforfreedom

    1 min ago

  173. None

    As I understand it (and I’m probably wrong) if the set target isn’t reached, the donations are refunded, less charges.

    where did you get this crazy idea from? Are you telling me that every cancer kid on gofundme will not get their contributions if they don’t make their Target?

  174. Twostix

    All I want for fake christmas is for the Labor party to now come out and join in the sneering.

    This day would be perfect.

    Unfortunately the Murdoch press have told them not to worry, they’ll deal with this embarrasing little outbreak of prole wrongthink themselves.

  175. pete m

    cohenite, the Gaynor and Defence case is about a statutory right versus the implied religious freedom.

    Folau’s case is about contract law, unfair dismissal and whether he breached his code of conduct. It is not clear a contract can operate to exclude an implied freedom – only a law of parliament could do that.

    I think the case will be more about whether he exercised that right without breaching his code of conduct.

  176. None

    Her husband had four outstanding arrest warrants and two intervention orders against him

    and yet she still gave permission to her son to go see him and recall that one George even commented on her attitude. Yes her ex husband killed her son but yes she was also reckless by permitting her son to see him. I would never take advice from Rosie Batty about domestic violence.

  177. Notafan

    GoFundMe specifically states that they rely on tips as their income.

  178. feelthebern

    Cracking Kiwi try.

  179. None

    Twostix

    #3049413, posted on June 22, 2019 at 3:53 pm

    🤔😂😂😂😂

  180. Infidel Tiger

    One other thing of note is that 9 buying Fairfax has pushed it even further left.

    The good news is that media have not learnt one damn thing

  181. Twostix

    Very Angry Australian bugmen are furiously emailing Gofundme’s CEO as we speak!

  182. feelthebern

    and yet she still gave permission to her son to go see him and recall that one George even commented on her attitude.

    & one of the charges against him was child p0rn related.
    Yet Ms Batty allowed him access to the boy.
    For shame.

  183. None

    The GoFundMe platform is free. A standard transaction fee of 2.9% plus $0.30 per donation allows for credit card processing and safe transfer of funds.

    Rule number one in economics. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Gofundme is a profit making venture.

  184. Infidel Tiger

    When Folau reaches $3m it will be the only Wallaby victory this year.

  185. feelthebern

    When all the records from the Batty inquest are unsealed, Ms Batty will not be given the time of day.
    & then watch Setka showboat.

  186. feelthebern

    Has Adam Goodes donated yet?

  187. Eddystone

    $550,008 of $3.0M goal
    Raised by 7,020 people in 3 days

    At this rate, if 40,000 donate, he will make the $3 mill.

  188. Notafan

    FTB

    You can make that happen.

  189. What it was intended to do, and has accomplished in spades, is demonstrate to the powers that be that There is massive public support for Folau’s efforts, and/or a huge demonstration of people generally fed up with PC.

    So 7000 constitutes “massive public support?”
    Over 250,000 attended last year’s Carnival of Flowers.

  190. cohenite

    To criticise Izzy go funding because there are desperately ill children is typical of the vileness of the left. Ultimately everything that is deemed to be wrong by the left is caused by the non-left and unless the non-left are stretched out on racks and stripped of everything, and even then, it will still be the fault of the non-left.

    The left mind-set is sick and to think one of their main strongholds is education is disgusting:

  191. Infidel Tiger

    I said on the day that poor boy was murdered that his mother was a very weird woman.

    Imagine watching your beloved child beaten to death in front of you and then giving a TV interview in which you appear calm and relaxed and completely and utterly self centred.

    Remains one of the creepiest things I’ve seen.

    In a righteous world she would be rotting in jail.

  192. None

    7000 is more than would ever even donate towards your funeral flowers, numbers.

  193. Speedbox

    Folau can’t believe his luck. The media are the best PR agents for his cause he could hope for.

    Just popped over to look at some news reports. Holy smoke! They are going apeshit about Folau and the ‘backlash’ towards the gofundme page. Numerous mentions of his ‘property portfolio’ and wealth from his career. Even that Joel Creasey has now challenged Folau to a televised debate on Folau’s alleged homophobia!

    This just gets better and better. Lefty heads exploding all over the place. I might make another donation just to keep this fun going.

  194. None

    To criticise Izzy go funding because there are desperately ill children is typical of the vileness of the left.

    this is the same left that one’s publicly funded abortions and also publicly funded euthanasia.

  195. dover_beach

    Jesus christ who wrote that? An emotional 14 year old girl? That is the level of literacy coming out of Qld schools, well done!

    Indeed, that is not a news article but a wet lettuce pretending to be a hit job.

  196. Twostix

    The entire media class all published the exact same weird rabid attack points on Foleau today.

    It’s purely a coincidence. No collusion at all.

  197. feelthebern

    NZ via Tonga is the best game of league so far this year.

  198. Twostix

    I dont think he’ll get 3 mil.

  199. bespoke

    ‘Progressives’ get some perverted kick out of using kids to make a political point. They no there opponents try to be measured in response but it’s futile.

  200. Remains one of the creepiest things I’ve seen.
    In a righteous world she would be rotting in jail.

    Exactly the same attitude that saw Lindy Chamberlain banged up.
    Read the Cat, and be transported to a parallel universe.

  201. feelthebern

    Read the Cat, find out that some parts of the Batty inquest are sealed.
    Why?

  202. Infidel Tiger

    I dont think he’ll get 3 mil.

    We need to get it trending overseas.

  203. cohenite

    cohenite, the Gaynor and Defence case is about a statutory right versus the implied religious freedom.

    Folau’s case is about contract law, unfair dismissal and whether he breached his code of conduct. It is not clear a contract can operate to exclude an implied freedom – only a law of parliament could do that.

    I think the case will be more about whether he exercised that right without breaching his code of conduct.

    The statute/regulation was the Defence (Personnel) Regulations 2002, Reg 85.

    To all intents and purposes this was Gaynor’s EA and it burdened, according to the court, the implied freedom of political communication which is what Gaynor alleges he was doing.

    Izzy I assume, will be asserting a religious, not a political freedom, presumably again under S.116. It will come back to whether his EA had terms, implied or otherwise, which legitimately burdened this right and whether a company can so burden when the C’wth cannot.

  204. Twostix

    How much did the ALP raise from private donors this election?

  205. Roberto

    Mother Lode
    #3049377, posted on June 22, 2019 at 3:10 pm

    The ancient Romans always wheeled out accusations of incest when they needed to get someone

    You’re so right. I’m reading a biography of Agrippina the Younger at the moment, and charges of incest are being wheeled out on every second page.

  206. feelthebern

    Fiji plays Lebanon in a league international tonight.
    Insert Lebanese joke here:

  207. None

    I dont think he’ll get 3 mil.

    even if he gets 1 mil that will happy enough to keep rugby Australia tied up for a while.

  208. Grigory M

    Sinc – thanks for releasing my yesterday afternoon comment. Shame it wasn’t available in real time for those mentioned to read.

  209. feelthebern

    Tonga game within inches of scoring the greatest league try of all time.
    🙁
    Inches.

  210. Tintarella di Luna

    & one of the charges against him was child p0rn related.
    Yet Ms Batty allowed him access to the boy.
    For shame.

    I cannot get over what was allowed to happen to that little boy.

  211. feelthebern

    If Tonga didn’t have a half back with the the physique of monty, they’d be winning this game.

  212. feelthebern

    I cannot get over what was allowed to happen to that little boy.

    Neither can I.
    & I can’t get over how St Rose of Batty was immediately canonised instead of being cast out like she should have been.

  213. Tintarella di Luna

    I dont think he’ll get 3 mil.

    We need to get it trending overseas.

    I sent an email this morning to Mark Steyn — I was thinking wouldn’t it be wonderful if Tucker Carlson Tonight does a segment on it.

  214. Des Deskperson

    ‘I think the case will be more about whether he exercised that right without breaching his code of conduct.’

    And, as I have argued before,the RA Code of Conduct is a poorly and ambiguously worded document.

    Were I Folua’s lawyer, I’d be arguing that, even if the Code was intended to apply to opinions expressed in a player’s own time using his own resources, the Code does not make this clear.

  215. Infidel Tiger

    I cannot get over what was allowed to happen to that little boy.

    Makes me feel sick and incredibly angry.

    How that evil woman became a cause célèbre is repugnant. She should be in jail assembling headsets for Qantas.

  216. old bloke

    Twostix
    #3049447, posted on June 22, 2019 at 4:16 pm

    I dont think he’ll get 3 mil.

    Probably not if someone at GoFundMe is returning contributions. As I mentioned earlier today, my contribution yesterday was refunded this morning without explanation. I wonder if someone employed there harbours an ideological bent against Folau’s appeal?

  217. Nick

    I said on the day that poor boy was murdered that his mother was a very weird woman.

    I was overseas at the time and thought who is that weird woman who keeps looking at the cameras and seems happy at the publicity? It was Batty.

  218. None

    Has anyone worked out what country the ATSIC flag represents or even what the ATSIC flag is? *giggles*

  219. None

    Code of conducts should be outlawed. They are the stuff of kangaroo courts , nothing more nothing less.

  220. None

    Old bloke did you make any comment or use any strange name? That really sounds a bit weird.

  221. Gab

    GoFundMe is a for-profit company. It takes 5 percent of donations raised on its platform. There is also a 2.9 percent payment-processing fee collected on each donation, along with 30 cents for every donation. That means if a campaign raised $1,000 through 10 donations of $100 each, GoFundMe would collect about $82.

    Its business model is built on the number of donations it processes. In 2016, the company projected revenues of $100 million. The company was valued at $600 million in 2015, according to Forbes.

    https://www.azcentral.com/story/money/business/consumers/2017/11/14/gofundme-how-it-works-makes-money-pays-you-prevents-fraud/859211001/

  222. Fisky

    Nice to see working class country hero Numbers standing up for the urban corporate bugmen.

  223. Tintarella di Luna

    Neither can I.
    & I can’t get over how St Rose of Batty was immediately canonised instead of being cast out like she should have been.

    I believe that when there is a complete and utter failure to protect the most at risk, like that little boy, who probably didn’t know of his father’s serious mental health problems or about all the various orders etc.., he was just a child who spent time with his father with the blessing of his mother — the failure was on the part of those who should have protected him, ie.e the police in a big way and yes his mother knew the danger was clear and present, persistent and ongoing — but it was the VicPol failure which had to be covered up so then in swings the media and all the rest to let loose the distraction squirrels so the public wouldn’t go a-hunting.

    I think it was the same thing with the Adam Goodes canonisation and all the racism clap-trap — to distract from the fact that a young, poor, minor child was removed from the adult supervision of her kinfolk, harangued for hours without the presence of an adult and then they had to cover all that up by the process of shame, blame and bulldustery of which so much of the media and VicPol have made into an artform.

  224. old bloke

    My “name” indicated my displeasure at a certain airline, I didn’t make any comments. Might contribute again as “Fly Virgin” and see how I go.

  225. Roberto

    Tintarella di Luna
    #3049465, posted on June 22, 2019 at 4:36 pm

    I sent an email this morning to Mark Steyn — I was thinking wouldn’t it be wonderful if Tucker Carlson Tonight does a segment on it.

    And I sent an email to Glenn Reynolds at Instapundit, with a short briefing on l’affaire Folau plus a link to the GoFundMe page, suggesting it would be of interest to his readers. With a bit of of luck he might pick it up.

  226. jupes

    I sent an email this morning to Mark Steyn — I was thinking wouldn’t it be wonderful if Tucker Carlson Tonight does a segment on it.

    Good on you Tinta. Excellent work.

  227. None

    Old bloke that may have been a cautious response by the Folau camp given the rabid anti Folau sentiment at the moment. I hope however he keeps every donation from that person who keeps writing “you are a piece of s***”

  228. Infidel Tiger

    Real Mark Latham
    @RealMarkLatham
    ·
    3h
    A reward for anyone who can tell me what Patrick Smith’s column in
    @australian
    today is actually about.
    I think it’s some crazy attack on
    @RitaPanahi
    but hard to tell, as Smith writing more and more like a demented clown 🎈🎈🎈
    If he was a horse you would put him down.

  229. old bloke

    I wonder if all of those contributions from Alan Joyce will also be returned. Joyce has been really busy.

  230. None

    Gab that’s interesting but you’re quoting a 2017 third party report. This is what’s on gofundme page now
    https://www.gofundme.com/c/free-fundraising

    Are they still taking that 5%? If so where is that disclosed now?

  231. Notafan

    How about Mr and Mrs Alan and Raylene Castle- Joyce?

  232. Gab

    Are they still taking that 5%?

    I recently donated to a couple of other causes and gfm charged me 5% so I was surprised when someone upthread said they don’t charge.

  233. None

    Oh Mrs Alan Joyce has certainly contributed. I’ve seen that one it may be posted about it here.

  234. Notafan

    Gfm have a suggested ‘tip’ that you have to manually change to remove.

  235. Gab

    They say they are a “for-profit” organisation so they must be charging fees somewhere along the line.

  236. Tintarella di Luna

    And I sent an email to Glenn Reynolds at Instapundit, with a short briefing on l’affaire Folau plus a link to the GoFundMe page, suggesting it would be of interest to his readers. With a bit of of luck he might pick it up.

    Good for you Roberto I also just sent a note to James Delingpole at Breitbart

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