Tuesday Forum: June 25, 2019

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  1. Old front rower

    testing to see if I am still in moderation – Hi all

  2. Mother Lode

    Testing to see if I am still in moderation – Hi all.

    So what is your usual name?

  3. Sinclair Davidson

    Old Front Rower – if you get stuck, you’ll remain stuck until I release you.

    Stop changing user names -keep trying, I’ll keep releasing you. Hopefully the system will recognise you and stop automoderating you.

  4. Its Remarkable

    Trying a new browser too – thanks Sinc

  5. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    In excellent news, the NT News has started publishing the names of people appearing in criminal courts.

    News Corp is a shitty public institution that combines the worst of “being woke” with the worst of Ray! Hadley!

  6. Dr Faustus

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    Bitcoin surges to 17-month high, trading at more than $18,000

    The cryptocurrency’s rally marks an incredible turnaround following the “Bitcoin crash” of 2018, which saw its value plummet by as much as 70 per cent from its 2017 record high.

    28 June 2019
    Bitcoin plunges $5,000 in hours, while Wall St sits tight ahead of Trump-Xi G20 meeting

    “The cryptocurrency world was once again reminded of the violent swings we can see with bitcoin,” said Edward Moya, senior market analyst at OANDA.

    Casino.
    With experts.

  7. Its Remarkable

    I was fortunate enough to receive an email from Rugby Australia late yesterday. Pertinent extract below:

    Just briefly, as I’m sure you’ve seen some of the media coverage regarding the Israel Folau matter, I thought I could offer some clarification on where Rugby Australia stands.

    I want to make clear that Rugby Australia has acted with complete professionalism and integrity at all times through the process by which Israel was found, by an independent three-member tribunal panel, to have made multiple, serious breaches of the Professional Players Code of Conduct. The panel found the breaches constituted a high level and directed Rugby Australia to terminate Israel’s contract.

    This is an employment matter and does not concern his religious beliefs or his ability to express them freely. If some of you follow Israel’s social accounts, you will have noticed he has posted religious material freely and openly over the last few years.

    The media attention it has garnered is obviously distracting as it means that we aren’t talking about, and celebrating, all the great things going on in our game.

    Not sure it is helping their image with the rugby supporting public.

  8. “None
    #3064780, posted on June 28, 2019 at 12:28 pm

    all men are bastards”

    Yep….but I rather like them.

  9. Leigh Lowe

    Kieran Gibblett on Sky hortified at the thought of a Religious Freedom Act that would (shock, horror) ..
    stop employers sacking people on religious grounds.
    .
    And, just like that, lefties wanted people fired for saying stuff.

  10. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Strange to see Bush-era champions cheering on Justin Raimondo.

    Nuance isn’t their thing.

  11. Knuckle Dragger

    100 years ago today, the Treaty of Versailles was signed.

    One of the French honchos at the time presciently remarked, ‘This is not peace. This is an armistice for twenty years.’

  12. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    “None
    #3064780, posted on June 28, 2019 at 12:28 pm

    all men are bastards”

    None in a nutshell: a right-wing Andrea Dworkin.

  13. Mother Lode

    And, just like that, lefties wanted people fired for saying stuff.

    They have wanted people fired for saying stuff since forever.

    It has just never occurred to them that religious freedom might apply to Christians.

  14. Dr Faustus

    I was fortunate enough to receive an email from Rugby Australia late yesterday.

    Bugger. I thought the moist and lovely Raelene was writing to me personally.

    I want to make clear that Rugby Australia has acted with complete professionalism and integrity at all times through the process by which Israel was found, by an independent three-member tribunal panel, to have made multiple, serious breaches of the Professional Players Code of Conduct.

    As one might say while pondering the career implications arising from:

    Signing Folau up to an expensive contract that doesn’t properly express intentions between the parties; and

    Allowing Cheika and Wallaby team mates – RA employees – to go public on the demise of Folau’s playing career before the ‘independent three-member tribunal panel’ delivered its verdict.

    Pass me the brown trousers…

  15. feelthebern

    Kieran Gibblett

    He embarrassed Australia last night yelling out to Trump.
    Just like Acosta did at the Nork summit.

  16. None

    What is this tragedy that has struck ian Thorpe you ask

    It’s over! Olympic champion Ian Thorpe ‘splits’ with model boyfriend Ryan Channing – just months after they revealed plans to start a family via surrogate

    yes this is headlined as a tragedy.

  17. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Speaking of crazy feminists:

    https://pluralist.com/aurelia-vera-feminist-socialist/

    Feminist Teacher Tells Boys That Women Will ‘Cut Off Your Dicks’ Once They Take Over

    An audio recording released this week captures Aurelia Vera, a school teacher who is also a socialist city council member in the Canary Islands town of Puerto del Rosario, telling teen students that “boys should be castrated at birth” as part of a thought experiment in which students were asked to envision a matriarchal society.

    ccording to El Diario, the teacher’s comments came as part of a discussion centered around Margaret Atwood’s “The Handmaid’s Tale,” a novel turned Hulu series depicting a dystopian nation called Gilead, in which women are relegated to sexual slavery. Atwood’s work has become increasingly popular among feminists who see in Gilead an accurate reflection of modern-day patriarchal society.

    So whether or not the comment was relevant to the text or not, Margaret Atwood is a loon who has enabled a generation of feminist loons, led by whackjob Scientologist Elisabeth Moss.

    Margaret Fucking Atwood.

    Every Single Fucking Time.

  18. Ellie

    Hello Doomlord, Master, Sir

  19. None

    Cassie mention the YouTube channel of independent man the other day. He’s got a three-part series on the joys of marriage which is at once sad, poignant, and hilarious. Watch them in order that you’re going to watch them at all. It relates to American men from some years back but sometimes I think such things should be played two women as part of pre marriage counselling.

  20. Ellie

    Doomlord, did you see the interview Alan Jones conducted with Israel Folau on Sky? Thoughts?

  21. Leigh Lowe

    It has just never occurred to them that religious freedom might apply to Christians.

    Yes.
    All of those “diversity and inclusion” statements include religion.
    Of course, when lefties see the word “religion” they think mooslies, and maybe other “cool hippie shit” religions like buddhism.

  22. None

    None in a nutshell: a right-wing Andrea Dworkin.

    Frank in a nutshell: an illiterate, humourless, libellous, mendacious, mental midget virgin.

  23. Sinclair Davidson

    Hello Doomlord, Master, Sir

    See Cats? This is how the Doomlord, Czar of all the Cats, Master of the spaminator, Lord of the auto-moderator. should be addressed.

    🙂

  24. feelthebern

    Keiran Gilbert at Sky strikes me as the kind of chap that studiously inspects each of his stools post a bowel movement.

  25. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    100 years ago today, the Treaty of Versailles was signed.

    One of the French honchos at the time presciently remarked, ‘This is not peace. This is an armistice for twenty years.’

    Anyone who thinks that Imperial Germany was harshly dealt with, at Versailles, needs to look up “Treaty of Frankfurt” and “Treaty of Brest Litivosk.”

  26. feelthebern

    Doomlord all cocky still from the Bombers win last night.
    Strutting around the Cat like he owns the place…oh, that’s right….

  27. feelthebern

    100 years ago today, the Treaty of Versailles was signed.

    A contract that was set up to fail.

  28. None

    feelthebern

    #3064813, posted on June 28, 2019 at 12:58 pm

    feelz, you remind me of what I missed the most about Australia when I was working overseas.

  29. Sinclair Davidson

    Doomlord, did you see the interview Alan Jones conducted with Israel Folau on Sky?

    I did. I watched the first half where Jones editorialised about the issue. Then changed channels to watch the glorious victory over Greater Western Sydney.

    I don’t care one way or the other about Falou himself, but the principle is important and the attacks on his wife are simply beyond the pale.

  30. Leigh Lowe

    Sinclair Davidson

    #3064812, posted on June 28, 2019 at 12:58 pm

    Hello Doomlord, Master, Sir

    See Cats? This is how the Doomlord, Czar of all the Cats, Master of the spaminator, Lord of the auto-moderator. should be addressed.

    Bald headed FLOG!!!!
    .
    #freespeech

  31. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Buddhism is not the “hippie religion” it is made out to be. It is ascetic and based on denial and self-development beyond the ego. As in having self-worth beyond your ego so that worldly things do not negatively alter your treatment of others. There is a lot of similarity between it and the wisdom of the Old and New Testament regarding self-restraint.

    Look at the Dalai Lama’s comments on gays from a few years ago. Not really PC!

  32. feelthebern

    Is that a good or a bad thing, none?

  33. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘pre-marriage counselling’

    Ah, that takes me back. Mine had films on how to conceive, using body temperature guides as well as other acceptable methods of family planning, including the ‘rhythm’ method.

    Q. What do you call people who use the rhythm method of contraception?
    A. Parents.

  34. Tom

    Doomlord, Czar of all the Cats, Master of the spaminator, Lord of the auto-moderator.

    Got it.

    Does that command string open your bitcoin vault?

  35. Sinclair Davidson

    Bald headed FLOG!!!!

    See Cats? This is NOT how the Doomlord, Czar of all the Cats, Master of the spaminator, Lord of the auto-moderator, should be addressed.

  36. None

    Leigh Lowe

    #3064819, posted on June 28, 2019 at 1:01 pm

    at least he doesn’t put on a wig and black lipstick

  37. feelthebern

    Is the rhythm method “getting off at Redfern”?

  38. Leigh Lowe

    I don’t care one way or the other about Falou himself, but the principle is important and the attacks on his wife are simply beyond the pale.

    Exactly.
    In a sane world, Folau would be preaching his stuff to 200 fevotees, and no-one else would give a shit.
    But the attempts to un-person him and his wife has been disgusting.
    ANZ claim that they weren’t trying to get her fired.
    Yeah, right.
    The other one has got bells on it arseholes.

  39. None

    Q. What do you call people who use the rhythm method of contraception?
    A. Parents.

    Tee hee. And every day they tell you about their happy accident.

  40. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    None

    You cannot sue me for the fact that you asserted that “all men are bastards”.

    You consistently engage in misandry, re: “Catallaxy Men’s Shed”.

    Your problem is every time you have a go at us, we know we are right because you are so damned crazy and wrong.

    Please explain to us once more how a 27-year-old supermodel looks “like a 9-year-old girl’, GO!!!

  41. Mother Lode

    ‘This is not peace. This is an armistice for twenty years.’

    I was always told that WW2 was just a continuation of WW1, but I am not so sure that is true.

    The driving force for the Germans on WW1 was not the same as that of WW2. So the question becomes whether the end of WW1 set in motion inevitable (and predictable) sequence of events that resulted in WW2. Did the outcome of WW1 necessarily produce a leader like Hitler? If Hitler had been killed in the trenches of WW1, would someone else have played the same role in starting WW2?

    There was a lot of resentment in Germany after the war, there was hyperinflation that ended before 1924, then there were some good years, then some bad ones that were shared by all nations – no need for resentment there. You always hear about the burden of reparations but I gather only the French really pushed for that – the British wanted the Germans to hold the Russians in check, and the Americans didn’t really push either.

    But without a Hitler (any Hitler – the actual one, or one (if they existed) who was similarly demagogic), would this all have resulted in a new war?

  42. Leigh Lowe

    Hello.
    Testing.
    Helloooooo!
    Am I banned?

  43. feelthebern

    Crytpo wallets are usually semen activated.

  44. Leigh Lowe

    Fevotees = devotees.
    Ray Burgess!!!

  45. None

    Steady on there chaps; Andrew Bolt thought that the attacks on Folau’s wife at least made him feel better about defending Izzy. So they can’t have been all that bad. *gormless vomit*

  46. feelthebern

    Can’t we have one day at the Cat without Hitler being mentioned?

  47. Knuckle Dragger

    G20 official pic on Sky. All dressed in dark suits, except;

    Arab dude in sheet and tea-towel,
    May in a fetching communist red, and
    Merkel, vibrating away quietly at the end of the front row.

  48. feelthebern

    Fevotees

    Collective noun for Carlton supporters ?

  49. None

    You’re such a fuk wit Frank. Why don’t you read the f****** headline and get a f****** sense of humour. My god the Catallaxy red men’s shed Collective needs a major brain transplant.

  50. feelthebern

    KD, you forgot to mention Trump wearing the seersucker.

  51. Sinclair Davidson

    Does that command string open your bitcoin vault?

    Don’t tell anyone.

  52. None

    Crytpo wallets are usually semen activated.

    so that’s why my phone keeps calling it a sperminator…

  53. Mother Lode

    Can’t we have one day at the Cat without Hitler being mentioned?

    Actually, I am speculating on what would have happened if there had not been a Hitler.

    Any discussions on that would have no need to mention him at all.

  54. Sinclair Davidson

    at least he doesn’t put on a wig and black lipstick

    Those photos were photoshopped and my phone was hacked … oh wait. No. I don’t.

  55. Knuckle Dragger

    If the Allies had told the Kaiser to jam it up his arse and continued on to crush Germany as a country, as the Reds did on WW2 there’s a case that WW2 may not have been necessary. Of course, there are just as many arguments to say it would have happened anyway. Buffer states, declining monarchical power and the rise of fascism and socialism in equal measure all factor in.

    However – every single war of limited engagement has failed post-event.

  56. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Why don’t you read the f****** headline and get a f****** sense of humour.

    Feminist Teacher Tells Boys That Women Will ‘Cut Off Your Dicks’ Once They Take Over

    Maybe you and Samantha Bee find this funny. I don’t know any normal people who find that funny, None.

    Moreso, rambling, pontificating “Christians”.

  57. Mother Lode

    Merkel, vibrating away quietly at the end of the front row.

    Here we can see a picture of Merkel shaking hands with other world leaders.

    Well, not so much ‘with’ world leaders as ‘near’.

  58. Bruce of Newcastle

    Bald headed FLOG!!!!

    Good news…

    Functional hair follicles grown from stem cells (27 Jun)

    Scientists from Sanford Burnham Prebys have created natural-looking hair that grows through the skin using human induced pluripotent stem cells (iPSCs), a major scientific achievement that could revolutionize the hair growth industry. The findings were presented today at the annual meeting of the International Society for Stem Cell Research (ISSCR) and received a Merit Award. A newly formed company, Stemson Therapeutics, has licensed the technology.

    Stimpy will be rejoicing!

  59. “Frank Walker from National Tiles
    #3064801, posted on June 28, 2019 at 12:47 pm
    “None
    #3064780, posted on June 28, 2019 at 12:28 pm

    all men are bastards”

    None in a nutshell: a right-wing Andrea Dworkin.”

    If None is a right-wing Andrew Dworkin…then I’m a right-wing Catharine MacKinnon.

    I am with None.

  60. None

    Doom… Rae… Raelene is that you? Isn’t it about time you returned Knuckles’ fishnets?

  61. feelthebern

    It’s sad to see Merkel in this state.
    If she had any dignity she would have died of shame post throwing open the German borders.

  62. old bloke

    Frank Walker from National Tiles
    #3064820, posted on June 28, 2019 at 1:01 pm

    There is a lot of similarity between it and the wisdom of the Old and New Testament regarding self-restraint.

    That’s understandable as Buzi, the original Buddha, was a Cohen.

  63. Derp

    I call bullshit.
    He shot the radio attendants in The Guns of Navarone. In cold blood.

    Good catch CL, and that film was only on 7mate a couple of weeks ago.
    He was a stone cold hard-arse in that film.

    Actually, they all were, including David Niven. He was very tight lipped about his time served in WWII, including his stint in Commandos. He was unofficially at Dieppe and officially at D-Day but you wouldn’t ever hear it from him.

  64. Ellie

    I don’t care one way or the other about Falou himself, but the principle is important and the attacks on his wife are simply beyond the pale.

    My thoughts precisely.

  65. Bruce of Newcastle

    Look at the Dalai Lama’s comments on gays from a few years ago. Not really PC!

    His comments yesterday were even more un-PC.

  66. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Hilarious! Women’s (“fashion”) magazine Vogue actually got sucked into some woke BS to actually pimp for Scientology:

    https://www.vogue.com.au/culture/features/elisabeth-moss-dispels-comparisons-between-scientology-and-the-handmaids-tale/news-story/86c8d6818ae0a298af5408175f131684

    All of those coerced abortions and million year contracts never existed!

  67. Knuckle Dragger

    Speaking of Kaiser Bill, that monstrous prick sent a telegram to Hitler after he crushed the French and the Low Countries in 1940, where he was in exile at the time.

    ‘Congratulations. You have won with my troops.’

  68. feelthebern

    Numbers would love to dox every single poster at the Cat & attempt to have them sacked.
    That’s what the goal of his “research” is.

  69. Bruce of Newcastle

    Look at the Dalai Lama’s comments on gays from a few years ago. Not really PC!

    His comments yesterday were even more un-PC.

  70. feelthebern

    I’ve always wondered, what’s with the head gear the IDF wear?

  71. None

    Here is my original comment, Frank you fuckwitted moron:

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2019/06/25/tuesday-forum-june-25-2019/comment-page-11/#comment-3064780

    Now apologise you iliterate liar

  72. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3064857, posted on June 28, 2019 at 1:18 pm

    Speaking of Kaiser Bill, that monstrous prick sent a telegram to Hitler after he crushed the French and the Low Countries in 1940, where he was in exile at the time.

    ‘Congratulations. You have won with my troops.’

    I still say the Vichy were more detestable.

  73. “feelthebern
    #3064858, posted on June 28, 2019 at 1:18 pm
    Numbers would love to dox every single poster at the Cat & attempt to have them sacked.
    That’s what the goal of his “research” is.”

    Yes, my thoughts too…he’s actually been rather quiet the last few days…no doubt doing his research.

  74. Knuckle Dragger

    They can keep the fishnets None.

    You could catch manta rays with those bloody things.

  75. feelthebern

    I blame all of numbers problems on his two inch penis.

  76. “feelthebern
    #3064861, posted on June 28, 2019 at 1:20 pm
    I’ve always wondered, what’s with the head gear the IDF wear?”

    It’s a kippah…all religious men wear one. Best looking army in the world!

  77. jo

    See Cats? This is how the Doomlord, Czar of all the Cats, Master of the spaminator, Lord of the auto-moderator. should be addressed.

    🙂

    Rose petals should also be thrown even if I am not present. Just in case.

  78. None

    Well I care both about the person and the principle. I’m not particularly enamoured of the idea of dragging one man’s name through the mud on a global scale. We saw how that ended up with Pell.

  79. “None
    #3064862, posted on June 28, 2019 at 1:20 pm”

    I often get the sense that Pope Frank Walker has his own “Hays Code” that he wants to enforce here.

  80. “feelthebern
    #3064866, posted on June 28, 2019 at 1:22 pm
    I blame all of numbers problems on his two inch penis.”

    You’re being far too generous.

  81. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Numbers would love to dox every single poster at the Cat & attempt to have them sacked.
    That’s what the goal of his “research” is.”

    I doubt he is competent to do so.

    The poor prick actually told a story about bringing an army mate with a working M-16 to a special school to show the ‘tard kids how a gun worked…he thought this was a brilliant example of how he was an anti-gun activist; he also reckoned that the only time that he ever saw a gun at a school was when he was threatened by the parent of a child.

    He’s a few tinnies short of a slab.

  82. Knuckle Dragger

    Bloody hell.

    I’ve only just now realised the extent to which the Libs threw the burning corpse of Turnbull under the bus.

    Brutal.

    If only they could transfer that single-mindedness into everyday politics.

  83. Top Ender

    Speaking of the Kaiser, we saw The Exception the other day.

    Reasonable effort. Covers his exile and the developments in WWII before he died – not managing to return to Germany.

  84. “feelthebern
    #3064872, posted on June 28, 2019 at 1:25 pm
    Not the kippah.
    This thing.”

    Camouflage?

  85. None

    You could catch manta rays with those bloody things.

    no chance while Doomy is wearing Frank’s super shiny green big girls’ blouse. It’s like in built repellent.

  86. None

    Cassie of Sydney

    #3064870, posted on June 28, 2019 at 1:24 pm

    You and me both, Cass.

  87. Mother Lode

    Weird, innit?

    The Axis powers were all nations born or reborn in the second half of the 19th century.

    Germany – unified in 1871 thanks to Otto von Bismarck
    Italy – unified in 1861 thanks to Camillo di Cavour
    Japan – End of the Shogunate in 1868 and re-institution of Imperial rule known as the Meiji Restoration

  88. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    LOL

    Hectoring someone about the basics of sales and marketing isn’t censorious. It is just fucking annoying.

  89. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Frank’s super shiny green big girls’ blouse.

    Endless misandry.

    Endless!

  90. None

    Israel Folau emerged from failed talks declaring he is “very very disappointed” as the case heads to the Federal Court.

    Israel’s just saving time and money and by passing all the kangaroo courts and bullshit. Good.

  91. feelthebern

    Does it say which FW commissioner heard the case?

  92. Some History

    Folau and Rugby Australia headed for Federal Court

    Rugby Australia and Israel Folau are headed to the Federal Court after conciliation failed at the Fair Work Commission on Friday.
    Folau’s solicitor George Haros said the Folau camp was “disappointed” the parties could not reach a resolution.
    “It appears as though, unless thing change, we’re going to be heading to court,” Haros said outside the Commission.
    Folau appeared for a short time but did not take questions.
    “Very, very disappointed by the outcome today,” he said. “I’d like to thank those who’ve supported me throughout this time. I’ll continue to stand up for the freedoms of all Australians.”

    https://www.theage.com.au/sport/rugby-union/folau-and-rugby-australia-headed-for-federal-court-20190628-p5229c.html

  93. None

    Still waiting for your apology, Frank, you f****** liar.

  94. Knuckle Dragger

    More anniversary news, and as a reminder of the dangers of boxheads everywhere:

    Today in 1914, Gavrilo Princip – a Yugo activist shot Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo.

    A minor dispute ensued.

  95. Mitch M.

    Buddhism is not the “hippie religion” it is made out to be. It is ascetic and based on denial and self-development beyond the ego. As in having self-worth beyond your ego so that worldly things do not negatively alter your treatment of others. There is a lot of similarity between it and the wisdom of the Old and New Testament regarding self-restraint.

    BUDDHA THE ISRAELITE

  96. Ellie

    Thanks for the video, Cassie.
    Awesome!

  97. Its Remarkable

    Of course there would be no resolution in the talks between Rugby Australia and Israel’s people today. The RA people will not back down, believing as do all elitists, especially those with a leftish bent, that they are infallible, and never wrong or even in error*.
    So, it is off the Federal court, and if it finds in Israel’s favour, RA will appeal, or some such and it will escalate from there. The $2 mill will be needed I reckon.
    Meanwhile the sport will languish, the Wallabies will crash out of the World Cup, families will discourage their children form playing rugby, and the sport will become a backwater.
    All the fault of virtue signalling, elitist, arrogant stupid behaviour.
    Only when it is almost completely destroyed will they go, or be thrown out, and the sport will commence rebuilding as it started, by amateurs and lovers of the game, the traditions and friendships that it can bring.
    Sad really, but perhaps some hope in the end.

    * these traits only possessed by the supreme being – the Doomlord hisself

  98. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    None
    #3064889, posted on June 28, 2019 at 1:40 pm

    Still waiting for your apology, Frank, you f****** liar.

    I didn’t realise your comment was sarcastic until you indirectly pointed it out.

    Your tendency towards misandry slanted my view of things.

    Your behaviour is changing. That’s just great. Baby steps, maybe one day you will be able to actually praise a man without sarcasm or without using a back-handed compliment.

  99. Sinclair Davidson

    None – do you eat with that mouth?

  100. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    If the Allies had told the Kaiser to jam it up his arse and continued on to crush Germany as a country,

    One of the major reasons that Germany signed the Treaty of Versailles was the threat of being crushed as a country, by massive invasion in 1919.

  101. Grigory M

    boxheads everywhere

    There is only one Boxhead. The legendary rugby union forward Brian “Boxhead” O’Shea, scrum magician and Golden Boot goalkicker. Revered not only at the University of Newcastle NSW but throughout the world of rugby.

  102. Perth Trader

    Please forgive my ignorance , but what is a ‘woke’ ?

  103. Mater

    I don’t care one way or the other about Falou himself, but the principle is important and the attacks on his wife are simply beyond the pale.

    Spot on.

  104. Ryan

    Can Twiggy take over from the Vicar after RA is burnt to a crisp?

  105. None

    Yes Sinc I do. I don’t actually swear in face to face contact and I’ve explained here before why I do it here and for what reason. Would you like me to stop?

  106. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Precedent, as set by the poor Eastwood tragic (how can you not go for Randwick or Sydney Uni!?):

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Based

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=woke

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=skanky+ho

    Actually: woke means awake to the injustices piled on the intersectional blah blah, based* means you don’t care what people think, originally meant as acting like someone who freebases cocaine and skanky ho, well, that was actually Skan Kee Ho, a Chinese warlord’s mistress.

    *Actually an in-situ deprotonated amine, amide, carbazone or semicarbazide…

  107. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/based/

    So you want to be “red pilled, woke and based AF” these days. To turn the left’s and big daddy government’s arguments on them. Without being an anti-cementite loon, who stick onto the praiseful turn of phrase like disgusting barnacles on a ship.

  108. Perth Trader

    I really need to get out more than reading the Cat files. ty

  109. Leigh Lowe

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3064875, posted on June 28, 2019 at 1:27 pm
    Bloody hell.
    I’ve only just now realised the extent to which the Libs threw the burning corpse of Turnbull under the bus.

    Well deserved.
    Had a laugh at that idiot Paul Kelky in the Oz yesterday calling Trumble’s tactics on Dutton as Trumble “feeling he had a duty to raise eligibility with the GG.”
    Duty my arse.

    Just clutching at straws to hang on.

    I never quite understood why Trumble was so indifferent about referring Liars members under S44.

    Surely you would want to create a bit of headroom with a majority of one, particularly where some of the Liars seats were very winnable in a by-election.
    The penny drops.
    Trumble actually wanted to keep the knife-edge margin to hold the party to ransom … “If I get rolled, I walk and you have a by-election, which I will campaign against you.”
    What a rolled gold arse.

  110. Leigh Lowe

    Yes Sinc I do. I don’t actually swear in face to face contact and I’ve explained here before why I do it here and for what reason. Would you like me to stop?

    My asterisk filter is totally f****d.

  111. Sinclair Davidson

    Would you like me to stop?

    Just asking the question.

  112. None

    You f***ing made stuff up about what I said, Frank, you imbecile. And it’s been your consistent pattern of behaviour on this blog for years. You constantly make stuff up about what people said and didn’t say and then you cry like a f****** hyena when somebody calls you out on your lies. And now you’re not even man enough to admit it even though I directly linked to the only comment I made. You’re either an illiterate or a habitual liar and I’m going for both. You’re a cowardly censorial little s*** and people are right to complain about shitty little pricks like you.

  113. Perth Trader

    I’m still not sure if I’m ‘woke’ or not. I’ll need a second opinion from a cocaine addicted skanky ho.

  114. Some History

    Just my opinion.

    However, last night the 30-year-old claimed in a TV interview that the sport’s powerbrokers had offered him money to take it down.
    “Hopefully Rugby Australia will accept that my termination was unlawful and we can reach an agreement about how they can fix that mistake,” Folau said in the video.
    “First and foremost I am hoping for an apology from Rugby Australia and an acknowledgement that even if they disagree with my views, I should be free to peacefully express my religious beliefs without fear of retribution or exclusion.”
    Shortly after he made the comments, RA issued a statement saying: “Any suggestion that Rugby Australia offered Israel Folau money to remove a post made on April 10, 2019, is completely untrue.”
    The spat will today be heard in the Fair Work Commission — the first step in what appears likely to end in a protracted legal battle in the Federal Court.
    Folau brought the action, and wants RA to acknowledge his contract was terminated because of his religious beliefs.
    His sacking and the subsequent slanging match has ignited a debate about free speech.
    A settlement appears unlikely and the former full-back has already crowdfunded $2 million to pay his legal fees.
    RA chief Raelene Castle emailed fans to defend the organisation’s conduct.
    “I want to make clear that Rugby Australia has acted with complete professionalism and integrity at all times through the process by which Israel was found, by an independent three-member tribunal panel, to have made multiple, serious breaches of the Professional Players Code of Conduct,” she wrote.
    “The panel found the breaches constituted a high level and directed Rugby Australia to terminate Israel’s contract.”

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-28/israel-folau-wants-rugby-australia-to-apologise/11259972

    What is this “Professional Players Code of Conduct”?

    You can get a copy here:
    https://australia.rugby/about/codes%20and%20policies/integrity/code%20of%20conduct

    The section(s) at the root of the problem is this:

    Code of Conduct – Players (p.6)
    1.3 Treat everyone equally, fairly and with dignity regardless of gender or gender identity, sexual orientation, ethnicity, cultural or religious background, age or disability. Any form of bullying, harassment or discrimination has no place in Rugby.

    1.7 Use Social Media appropriately. By all means share your positive experiences of Rugby but do not use Social Media as a means to breach any of the expectations and requirements of you as a player contained in this Code or in any Union, club or competition rules and regulations.

    These sections are sloppy and incompetent. Although there is a reference to fair treatment of “religious background”, this does not appear to be interpreted by RA as the right to freedom of religion. RA does not acknowledge/accommodate the greater context of rights such as freedom of religion (which includes the expression of religious belief in public) and freedom of speech. No-one at RA seems to comprehend these rights as critical to a relatively free society. In its obliviousness of these fundamental rights, it seems that RA found Folau’s internet posting of a Biblical reference that included homosexuality, and possibly other posts of a similar content, as being unfair treatment of gender or gender identity and sexual orientation and using social media to do so. In other words, RA interpreted Folau’s posting(s) as “wrongdoing” and, therefore, a violation of the Professional Players Code of Conduct. RA is actually in breach of Folau’s right to freedom of religion.

    Worse still is that a 3-member panel, concluding that high-level violations were committed by Folau, that included an experienced lawyer, also had no concept of the rights to religious freedom and freedom of speech. As such, any questioning of gender or gender identity, sexual orientation, etc. that can be construed as detrimental, whether founded/unfounded, would constitute a violation of the player code. In Folau’s case, he was eventually sacked for these “violation(s)”.

    This circumstance at RA, and which may be the case for other codes, is appalling. The wording of the sections in question and the implications in the greater context of rights have not been thought through at all. The result is that RA, in violating the rights of freedom of religion and freedom of speech, has acted as a bully, the very thing that it claims it abhors.

    The rights of freedom of religion and freedom of speech are foundational. The major religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam) all have issues with homosexuality. These religions have existed for at least 1500 years. In assigning rights to gender/gender identity/sexual orientation it would be understood that on some issues there would be a clash between these newly assigned rights and the right of freedom of religion. This produces a stalemate of rights. In these instances, each side would simply have to agree to disagree. In the instance of someone having no religious affiliation may still have questions regarding claims of the LGBTQI lobby. Their questioning would be covered by the right of freedom of speech.

    Due to sloppy wording and a failure to comprehend foundational rights, RA would find anyone questioning LGBTQI as violating the Player Code of Conduct.

  115. Some History

    Just my opinion.

    However, last night the 30-year-old claimed in a TV interview that the sport’s powerbrokers had offered him money to take it down.
    “Hopefully Rugby Australia will accept that my termination was unlawful and we can reach an agreement about how they can fix that mistake,” Folau said in the video.
    “First and foremost I am hoping for an apology from Rugby Australia and an acknowledgement that even if they disagree with my views, I should be free to peacefully express my religious beliefs without fear of retribution or exclusion.”
    Shortly after he made the comments, RA issued a statement saying: “Any suggestion that Rugby Australia offered Israel Folau money to remove a post made on April 10, 2019, is completely untrue.”
    The spat will today be heard in the Fair Work Commission — the first step in what appears likely to end in a protracted legal battle in the Federal Court.
    Folau brought the action, and wants RA to acknowledge his contract was terminated because of his religious beliefs.
    His sacking and the subsequent slanging match has ignited a debate about free speech.
    A settlement appears unlikely and the former full-back has already crowdfunded $2 million to pay his legal fees.
    RA chief Raelene Castle emailed fans to defend the organisation’s conduct.
    “I want to make clear that Rugby Australia has acted with complete professionalism and integrity at all times through the process by which Israel was found, by an independent three-member tribunal panel, to have made multiple, serious breaches of the Professional Players Code of Conduct,” she wrote.
    “The panel found the breaches constituted a high level and directed Rugby Australia to terminate Israel’s contract.”

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-28/israel-folau-wants-rugby-australia-to-apologise/11259972

  116. None

    Doom Lord: You’re the owner of this blog so if you wanted me to stop that is your right to ask and I will either choose to comply freely and willingly or I will leave. There’s no big deal about it. It is your blog.

    I’m not a mind reader so I don’t presume to know what people are thinking when they ask me questions for which there is a very obvious answer. That is why I asked you directly.

  117. Some History

    2.

    What is this “Professional Players Code of Conduct”?

    You can get a copy here:
    https://australia.rugby/about/codes%20and%20policies/integrity/code%20of%20conduct

    The section(s) at the root of the problem is this:

    Code of Conduct – Players (p.6)
    1.3 Treat everyone equally, fairly and with dignity regardless of gender or gender identity, sexual orientation, ethnicity, cultural or religious background, age or disability. Any form of bullying, harassment or discrimination has no place in Rugby.

    1.7 Use Social Media appropriately. By all means share your positive experiences of Rugby but do not use Social Media as a means to breach any of the expectations and requirements of you as a player contained in this Code or in any Union, club or competition rules and regulations.

    These sections are sloppy and incompetent. Although there is a reference to fair treatment of “religious background”, this does not appear to be interpreted by RA as the right to freedom of religion. RA does not acknowledge/accommodate the greater context of rights such as freedom of religion (which includes the expression of religious belief in public) and freedom of speech. No-one at RA seems to comprehend these rights as critical to a relatively free society. In its obliviousness of these fundamental rights, it seems that RA found Folau’s internet posting of a Biblical reference that included homosexuality, and possibly other posts of a similar content, as being unfair treatment of gender or gender identity and sexual orientation and using social media to do so. In other words, RA interpreted Folau’s posting(s) as “wrongdoing” and, therefore, a violation of the Professional Players Code of Conduct. RA is actually in breach of Folau’s right to freedom of religion.

    Worse still is that a 3-member panel, concluding that high-level violations were committed by Folau, that included an experienced lawyer, also had no concept of the rights to religious freedom and freedom of speech. As such, any questioning of gender or gender identity, sexual orientation, etc. that can be construed as detrimental, whether founded/unfounded, would constitute a violation of the player code. In Folau’s case, he was eventually sacked for these “violation(s)”.

    This circumstance at RA, and which may be the case for other codes, is appalling. The wording of the sections in question and the implications in the greater context of rights has not been thought through at all. The result is that RA, in violating the rights of freedom of religion and freedom of speech, has acted as a bully, the very thing that it claims it abhors.

    The rights of freedom of religion and freedom of speech are foundational. The major religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam) all have issues with homosexuality. These religions have existed for at least 1500 years. In assigning rights to gender/gender identity/sexual orientation it would be understood that on some issues there would be a clash between these newly assigned rights and the right of freedom of religion. This produces a stalemate of rights. In these instances, each side would simply have to agree to disagree. In the instance of someone having no religious affiliation may still have questions regarding claims of the LGBTQI lobby. Their questioning would be covered by the right of freedom of speech.

    Due to sloppy wording and a failure to comprehend foundational rights, RA would find anyone questioning LGBTQI as violating the Player Code of Conduct.

  118. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Okay None, now you seem to be asserting that you were not being sarcastic.

    If you were not being sarcastic, then my original comments were correct and there is no “libel”.

    If not, then you are arguing with yourself as to which version of reality is correct.

    Pick one or the other love, because you seem to be completely off your bonce.

  119. Some History

    2.

    What is this “Professional Players Code of Conduct”?

    You can get a copy here:
    https://australia.rugby/about/codes%20and%20policies/integrity/code%20of%20conduct

    The section(s) at the root of the problem is this:

    Code of Conduct – Players (p.6)
    1.3 Treat everyone equally, fairly and with dignity regardless of gender or gender identity, sexual orientation, ethnicity, cultural or religious background, age or disability. Any form of bullying, harassment or discrimination has no place in Rugby.

    1.7 Use Social Media appropriately. By all means share your positive experiences of Rugby but do not use Social Media as a means to breach any of the expectations and requirements of you as a player contained in this Code or in any Union, club or competition rules and regulations.

    These sections are sloppy and incompetent. Although there is a reference to fair treatment of “religious background”, this does not appear to be interpreted by RA as the right to freedom of religion. RA does not acknowledge/accommodate the greater context of rights such as freedom of religion (which includes the expression of religious belief in public) and freedom of speech. No-one at RA seems to comprehend these rights as critical to a relatively free society. In its obliviousness of these fundamental rights, it seems that RA found Folau’s internet posting of a Biblical reference that included homosexuality, and possibly other posts of a similar content, as being unfair treatment of gender or gender identity and sexual orientation and using social media to do so. In other words, RA interpreted Folau’s posting(s) as “wrongdoing” and, therefore, a violation of the Professional Players Code of Conduct. RA is actually in breach of Folau’s right to freedom of religion.

    Worse still is that a 3-member panel, concluding that high-level violations were committed by Folau, that included an experienced lawyer, also had no concept of the rights to religious freedom and freedom of speech. As such, any questioning of gender or gender identity, sexual orientation, etc. that can be construed as detrimental, whether founded/unfounded, would constitute a violation of the player code. In Folau’s case, he was eventually sacked for these “violation(s)”.

    This circumstance at RA, and which may be the case for other codes, is appalling. The wording of the sections in question and the implications in the greater context of rights has not been thought through at all. The result is that RA, in violating the rights of freedom of religion and freedom of speech, has acted as a bully, the very thing that it claims it abhors.

    The rights of freedom of religion and freedom of speech are foundational. The major religions (Christianity, J udaism, I slam) all have issues with homosexuality. These religions have existed for at least 1500 years. In assigning rights to gender/gender identity/sexual orientation it would be understood that on some issues there would be a clash between these newly assigned rights and the right of freedom of religion. This produces a stalemate of rights. In these instances, each side would simply have to agree to disagree. In the instance of someone having no religious affiliation may still have questions regarding claims of the LGBTQI lobby. Their questioning would be covered by the right of freedom of speech.

    Due to sloppy wording and a failure to comprehend foundational rights, RA would find anyone questioning LGBTQI as violating the Player Code of Conduct.

  120. None

    F*** off Frank. I’m not playing your stupid games. You are the apologise for making stuff up yet again or you stay out of my face.

  121. Some History

    3.

    Here is where it goes pear-shaped. According to RA CEO, Castle, and she’s now on the public record for making this claim, Folau’s termination had nothing to do with his religious beliefs or their expression in public:

    “I thought I could offer some clarification on where Rugby Australia stands,” Castle’s statement read.
    “I want to make clear that Rugby Australia has acted with complete professionalism and integrity at all times through the process by which Israel was found, by an independent three-member tribunal panel, to have made multiple, serious breaches of the Professional Players Code of Conduct.
    “The panel found the breaches constituted a high level and directed Rugby Australia to terminate Israel’s contract.
    This is an employment matter and does not concern his religious beliefs or his ability to express them freely. If some of you follow Israel’s social accounts, you will have noticed he has posted religious material freely and openly over the last few years.
    “The media attention it has garnered is obviously distracting as it means that we aren’t talking about, and celebrating, all the great things going on in our game.”

    https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/rugby-australia-chief-executive-raelene-castle-addresses-israel-folau-saga/news-story/f86088cc378eca7aceb2fbf4ad93ec03

  122. Some History

    4.

    Castle is claiming that his high-level violations of the player code of conduct have to do with something other than his religious beliefs/socia media postings. But what is this “something else”?

    Folau surely must have been informed why he was being sacked, what violations he was being charged with. He seems convinced that it had to do with a religious post that included a reference to homosexuals. The vulgar, obscene pile on that has occurred over the last few months involving social commentators and large corporations (e.g., ANZ) that has essentially character-assassinated Folau and attempted to get his wife, Maria, sacked, too, seemed to be driven by the belief that the violation(s) concerned Biblical references to homosexuals. Quantas (major sponsor of RA) CEO, Joyce, seemed to be convinced that the violation had to do with specific religious post that included a reference to homosexuals. Joyce even equates Folau’s social media post as a wrongdoing (producing “controversy”) with the recent wrongdoing of ball-tampering in the cricket:

    https://www.news.com.au/sport/rugby/outrageous-qantas-boss-alan-joyce-responds-to-explosive-folau-allegation/news-story/d9ad04a6f6debbb268f0faf871ca06b3

    All of these believe that it has to do with this social media posting. Yet Castle is saying, no, it doesn’t have to do with that. It has to do with something else. Someone is lying here. Or maybe Castle still doesn’t understand the concepts of freedom of religion and freedom of speech.

    Who to believe? Hopefully this will all come out in the wash in Federal Court.

  123. Knuckle Dragger

    The only way Folau could have offended the whiny homos more is if he’d worn brown pants and a green shirt to court.

  124. max

    Not the kippah.
    This thing.”

    Kippah vse slouch hat. Which takes theprize ?

    Though I love the kippah,I have to plump for the old slouchy every time.

  125. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    I’m not playing your stupid games.

    You brought up libel, you said me taking what you said literally was lying, you then asserted that me assuming it was sarcastic and non-literal was also a lie.

    🤡🌎

    I’m only doing this for da equality, None.

    Stimpy, Tailgunner, get in here now!

  126. feelthebern

    Some History, worthy of a guest post.

  127. feelthebern

    The only way Folau could have offended the whiny homos more is if he’d worn brown pants and a green shirt to court.

    Or a seersucker.

  128. feelthebern

    The IDF oversized beret is what I was referring to.
    I just wanted to know if here was any history behind it.

  129. Sinclair Davidson

    Some History – can you consolidate that in a single files and email it to me?

  130. None

    Thanks for that summary some history. If Alan Jones was right last night and he was quoting from a transcript of the code of conduct hearing which I assume he got from Izzy, Raelene Castle rang Qantas within 24 hours to warn Qantas about that post so in her eyes by her own testimony if we can believe Alan Jones that was the only post in question. And somehow it constituted not one but several serious breaches according to the email she sent out. Yes I get that both sides are playing the PR game at the moment, but someone who thinks that Liars go to hell and making his case on his freedom to state that is not likely to be on national TV telling porkies.
    So it’s just a case that RA wants it to be a purely contractual matter hence the drip feed of those talking points for days now, while the Folau camp see it as a religious Freedom issue and yes there was no other place it could go back to court. Glad the whole conciliation rubbish only lasted a few minutes. So they’re probably saved a bit of taxpayer money there too.

  131. Sinclair Davidson

    Hi Tal

    Long time. How are you?

  132. feelthebern

    So they’re probably saved a bit of taxpayer money there too.

    Nope.
    The FW crew are all full time.

  133. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Tal!

    Great Soon’s ghost! Soon we’ll see Hammy and Fyodor doing a double act.

  134. Seco

    None
    #3064464, posted on June 27, 2019 at 10:35 pm
    Zycon Andrew Bolt’s kids have a gay Godfather and as I have said to him on his blog I’m sure he’s a nice guy and really loved but I think that puts him in a really weird position of trying to walk down both sides of the fence. He should just declare himself conflicted and not comment on it instead of sliming other people because he made a choice for his family.

    Andrew Bolt doesn’t believe in God. Why do his kids have a Godfather at all?

    As far as choosing a suitable one, the decision at the time always feels like the right one but later events can make you question the wisdom of your decision.

  135. max

    Putin and Trump have something in common:

    Putin on Thursday:

    “This liberal idea presupposes that nothing needs to be done. That migrants can kill, plunder and rape with impunity because their rights as migrants have to be protected. Every crime must have its punishment. The liberal idea has become obsolete. It has come into conflict with the interests of the overwhelming majority of the population.”

  136. Sinclair Davidson

    Soon we’ll see Hammy and Fyodor doing a double act.

    Hopefully not. I think Hammy passed away – or am I confusing people?

  137. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    If you totally desecrate “liberal” to be the US meaning which arises from “liberal constitutional interpretation”, then yes.

  138. cohenite

    AGW disproved, again. Alarmism says backradiation caused by CO2 blocking/trapping/blanketing (chose your own emotive word) IR leaving the Earth is the cause of global warming. This paper disproves that by showing backradiation is a product not of atmospheric CO2 trapping IR leaving the Earth but of the surface temperature:

    https://atmos.uw.edu/~david/Zeppetello_etal_2019.pdf

    By the time it filters through the collective IQ of the msm of 50 we’ll all be in hessian bags burning our own crap for warmth.

  139. Gab

    Hello you glorious and most handsome Doomlord. All hail His Doomykins. .

    Hi Tal!!

  140. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Hopefully not. I think Hammy passed away – or am I confusing people?

    IIRC, his sister posted here, to that effect – sometime in early 2015.

  141. Tal

    Yep we’re getting the band back together

  142. max

    More sense from Putin:

    “I am not trying to insult anyone because we have been condemned for our alleged homophobia. But we have no problem with LGBT persons. God forbid, let them live as they wish. But some things do appear excessive to us. They claim now that children can play five or six gender roles. Let everyone be happy, we have no problem with that. But this must not be allowed to overshadow the culture, traditions and traditional family values of millions of people making up the core population.”

  143. Knuckle Dragger

    Finally, some common sense from Europe.

    Some 1500 fashion gods gathered at the annual 2019 Festival de la Coupe Mulet in western Belgium.

    Festival of the Mullet.

    Highlight: Competitors in a dancing contest wear white underpants and Mexican wrestling masks only, swilling booze straight from the bottle and spitting it at the audience.

  144. The RA people will not back down, …

    As told to me by one salesman: “NO!” is just an opening negotiation position.

  145. “max
    #3064952, posted on June 28, 2019 at 2:43 pm
    More sense from Putin:”

    Putin and most of Eastern Europe can see the rot in the west very, very clearly.

  146. “Stimpy, Tailgunner, get in here now!”

    No thanks…next you’ll be calling Scumbers.

  147. old bloke

    swilling booze straight from the bottle and spitting it at the audience.

    How do you spit booze while wearing a mask? Must be like eating spaghetti while wearing a burqa.

  148. Knuckle Dragger

    old bloke,

    They have mouth holes for yelling at the crowd in. Also useful for shotgunning beer cans.

  149. Leigh Lowe

    “feelthebern
    #3064861, posted on June 28, 2019 at 1:20 pm
    I’ve always wondered, what’s with the head gear the IDF wear?”

    It’s a kippah…all religious men wear one. 

    They wear a smoked fish on their head?
    That’s unusual.

  150. “The major religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam) all have issues with homosexuality”

    I think you’ll also find that Hinduism, Buddhism and most other mainstream religions have issues with homosexuality…not just the monotheistic ones.

  151. old bloke

    Right, still a waste of booze though.

  152. Question:

    Who will make the most money?

    a. RA’s lawyers
    b. Izzy’s lawyers
    c. both the same

  153. Infidel Tiger

    The two best people on the Folau debate have been:

    1. Alan Jones – a crony capitalist fruit.
    2. Josh Bornstein – a far left atheist lawyer.

  154. feelthebern

    They wear a smoked fish on their head?
    That’s unusual.

    Not as unusual as tying an onion to your belt…which was the style at the time.

  155. old bloke

    d. Izzy, after RA pay out his contract & damages.

  156. feelthebern

    a. RA’s lawyers

    By a country mile.

  157. “None
    #3064922, posted on June 28, 2019 at 2:16 pm
    Doom Lord: You’re the owner of this blog so if you wanted me to stop that is your right to ask and I will either choose to comply freely and willingly or I will leave. There’s no big deal about it. It is your blog.

    I’m not a mind reader so I don’t presume to know what people are thinking when they ask me questions for which there is a very obvious answer. That is why I asked you directly.”

    None…don’t you dare leave.

  158. Knuckle Dragger

    The entire decline and fall of the British Empire can be traced back to a predilection for kippers and blood pudding.

  159. notafan

    I think you’ll also find that Hinduism, Buddhism and most other mainstream religions have issues with homosexuality…not just the monotheistic ones.

    Yes

    I listed the few exceptions yesterday

    Satanism, UU, “humanist’ and some Afro South American cult

    The rest mostly prefer natural law

  160. Ellen of Tasmania

    The other day I commented on one of the Cat posts about the changes taking place in politics. Instead of left/right, private/public divides, we’re seeing new issues arise that deal more with global vs. local and rulers vs. ruled.

    Peter the perfect libertarian thought I was just stupid – which obviously shouldn’t be ruled out completely – but I thought this article from Quillette covered some of the same material:

    https://quillette.com/2019/06/19/what-do-the-oligarchs-have-in-mind-for-us/

    What if the ruling elite are not so much about ‘governments’ but simply the rich and powerful that now have the means to rule our lives and take our freedoms in ways the feudalists of the past could only have dreamed about?

    Amazing Polly has just done a youtube video on it, if you’d rather watch than read.

    I think Folau’s case is just another aspect of this. Libertarians will say it’s nonsense because the private companies can’t force us in the same way government can, but that may be changing. The dividing lines are shifting.

  161. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    incoherent rambler
    #3064964, posted on June 28, 2019 at 2:51 pm

    Question:

    Who will make the most money?

    a. RA’s lawyers
    b. Izzy’s lawyers
    c. both the same

    Like it or not, here’s the truth: The middle ages actually ended when lawyer bugmen took over from dashing and bloodthirsty Yorkist princes. It didn’t end at Bosworth field at the hand of an unknown Lancastrian scion.

    Lawyers were Henry VIII’s lesser and greater hammers. He had more success in court than on the battlefield.

    Lawyers have been since then, the ruling class; not parties, nor great personalities or militarists, not royal houses, not nobles and not the mob.

    They are our aristocracy, again, like it or not.

  162. feelthebern

    The entire decline and fall of the British Empire can be traced back to a predilection for kippers and blood pudding.

    & warm beer.

  163. cohenite

    We now know Izzy is heading for the courts but this:

    ‘Jesus would struggle to comply’

    Deborah Cornwall The Australian June 28, 2019

    The Folau saga has unleashed “the mother of all culture wars”, triggering a fightback against big business and its increasing push to control how workers behave in their private lives, a leading employ­ment lawyer has warned. Josh Bornstein, who heads Maurice Blackburn Lawyers, the largest employment law firm in the country, says corporations have become so obsessed with their own “brand management” they were demanding impossibly high “levels of impeccable behaviour … that even Jesus Christ would struggle to comply with”.

    Mr Bornstein said he regarded Folau’s anti-gay fundamentalist Christian sentiments as “ridiculous, and I struggle to take them seriously”. But Rugby Australia, he said, still had no business sacking him for “his wacky views”. He said “broad and vague” codes of conduct and contractual obligations were being imposed on employ­ees to make them abide by company policies and values. But they also extended to employees’ behaviour outside the workplace.

    That meant workers could be sacked or disciplined for anything from swearing to posting on social media, simply because it was at odds with corporations’ public “brand”. Brand managers, he said, were “professional catastrophists” who went into “damage control” at the first sign of negative media coverage

    “We are now in the middle of the mother of all culture wars that has a long, long way to go. This will make the gay marriage debate look like a walk in the park,” Mr Bornstein told The Australian.

    “Brand management is being used to subvert our legal rights and other human rights.’’

    Mr Bornstein said most workers wrongly sacked tended to ­settle outside court as taking on “employers with deep pockets” was financially impossible.

    Folau’s planned legal challenge in the Federal Court was a long-overdue opportunity “to get some proper judicial consider­ations on this issue”. “The critical question that court will have to determine is what is the reason for his sacking,” Mr Bornstein said.

    “Folau will say he was simply expressing his religious beliefs and the contract can’t be enforced if it undermines his statutory protecti­ons. You can’t sack someone … because he expressed an offensive and controversial belief.”

    Folau will appear with his legal team at the Fair Work Commission this morning for a conciliation hearing with Rugby Australia.

    NSW Rugby chairman Roger Davis issued a plea last night for the saga to be settled outside of court “in the best interests of the game’’, with the added warning that “no one is going to win here”.

    But the former Wallaby has ­already flagged that there is no prospect of a settlement with RA and his next step will be filing his unlawful termination case before the Federal Court.

    He is seeking $10 million in damages from RA.

  164. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Amazing Polly has just done a youtube video on it, if you’d rather watch than read.

    I would rather be tied up by Chanty Binx and force-fed shattered glass as she yelled all of Margaret Atwood’s work at me than watch anything by “Amazing” Polly.

    Well probably not, but you get the drift.

  165. None

    Andrew Bolt doesn’t believe in God. Why do his kids have a Godfather at all?

    What church even allowed an openly gay man to be god father although I don’t know whether Andrew knew he was gay when he asked him.

    Despite Andrew’s agnosticism he was raised in at least a culturally Christian home and his parents being Dutch would have likely had at least some Christian formation as all people of that generation did. Add so that his own reading over the years. So he’s not entirely ignorant of the Christian tradition or the Christian teaching on Heaven and Hell or sexual ethics because that’s fairly consistent across the board and it has been for two millenia. He’s perfectly free to disagree with it but he’s not free to misrepresent Folau or his motives because he of all people knows better.

  166. “Ellen of Tasmania
    #3064973, posted on June 28, 2019 at 2:55 pm”

    I think that there is a lot of validity in what you have posted Ellen.

  167. Infidel Tiger

    Folau’s legal team — commercial law firm Macpherson Kelley and Melbourne barrister Stuart Wood AM QC – have a $2.2 million war chest to challenge Rugby Australia’s right to sack Folau for his religious beliefs.

    Actually they have far more than $2.2mn. As soon as he needs some more, all he need do is ask.

    I want RA to burn in hellfire.

  168. He is seeking $10 million in damages from RA.

    Gawn RA, see how long it takes to get the money on GFM.

    Ferkin Derya.

  169. Zippy:

    The Australian Defence Force has 10 full-time gender advisers and 135 qualified gender advisers.

    So enough for a short Company.
    Good. Give ’em rifles and new camo frocks, and send ’em to Iran as our contribution to world peace and gender discrimination.
    Call them the …. I await descriptors from the good Catallaxy readers.

  170. Call them the “MEN in tights and tutus”

  171. Knuckle Dragger

    Frank,

    ‘Twas a Welsh grunt who took down Richard III.

    Brought him off his horse with a halberd and then went to work with a mace, according to reports of the time.

    When they dug him up the most recent time, they found eight separate skull wounds, all of which would have been fatal. Apparently such was the force used that his helmet was beaten through the skull holes.

    Clearly, Richard III was an Essendon supporter.

  172. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    I think Folau’s case is just another aspect of this. Libertarians will say it’s nonsense because the private companies can’t force us in the same way government can, but that may be changing. The dividing lines are shifting.

    Enough of this libertarian bashing. It’s total BS. “Iampeter” is so ridiculous he asserted that employers can fire employees for ANY reason – even being contrary to the contract.

    The problem is that the tort/s that is/are actually being committed are economic ones which require a lot of evidence gathering. These torts may include tortious interference, civil conspiracy, breach of contract and inducement thereof and perhaps others.

    The debanking of unpersons is actually a reason to deregulate financial markets, not to regulate them more.

  173. None

    Mr Bornstein said he regarded Folau’s anti-gay fundamentalist Christian sentiments as “ridiculous, and I struggle to take them seriously”. But Rugby Australia, he said, still had no business sacking him for “his wacky views”. He said “broad and vague” codes of conduct and contractual obligations were being imposed on employ­ees to make them abide by company policies and values. But they also extended to employees’ behaviour outside the workplace.

    It is simply impossible for these work types to even make a very valid statement without slandering and smearing Folau. For example he’s now got Izzy being a Fundamentalist and wacky. I suspect Mr BornStein does have a basic understanding of the judeo-christian tradition but possibly has absolutely zero understanding about religion in general or religion as a phenomenon or the psychology and the sociology of religion etc. Not even a basic understanding of the Bible (meaning the Hebrew bible and the New Testament) which has been so foundational to Western civilization, literacy, language, law and literature. This is why I sometimes get angry at the way the humanities have been destroyed i universities, mostly by f****** idiotic eftist academics in the humanities themselves. We end up with the universally dumb and malicious like Bornstein.

  174. duncanm

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3064875, posted on June 28, 2019 at 1:27 pm
    Bloody hell.

    I’ve only just now realised the extent to which the Libs threw the burning corpse of Turnbull under the bus.

    their big mistake was not backing up for a second go.

  175. Infidel Tiger

    I pray for d.

    Umm, do you know what your saying?

    Urban Dictionary can help you.

  176. Ellen of Tasmania

    Well probably not, but you get the drift.

    Fine. I prefer the article, myself, but others prefer to listen and she covers the issue pretty well in half an hour.

    It’s just a different way of seeing current events and obviously not the whole answer.

  177. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    The Australian Defence Force has 10 full-time gender advisers and 135 qualified gender advisers.

    The Ah-nold has found us the only kid for the job:

    THANKS FOR THE TIP.

  178. old bloke

    Clearly, Richard III was an Essendon supporter.

    Richard III wasn’t the rightful heir to the throne in any event.

  179. Infidel Tiger

    Enough of this libertarian bashing. It’s total BS. “Iampeter” is so ridiculous he asserted that employers can fire employees for ANY reason – even being contrary to the contract.

    Shoosh.

    Libertarianism is now such a debased belief system that they worship corporations over individuals.

    They have replaced Government as the central authority with something even worse.

    Sad.

  180. None

    Mr Bornstein said he regarded Folau’s anti-gay fundamentalist Christian sentiments as “ridiculous, and I struggle to take them seriously”. But Rugby Australia, he said, still had no business sacking him for “his wacky views”. He said “broad and vague” codes of conduct and contractual obligations were being imposed on employ­ees to make them abide by company policies and values. But they also extended to employees’ behaviour outside the workplace.

    It is simply impossible for these people to even make a very valid statement without slandering and smearing and misrepresenting Folau. For example we’be now got Izzy being a Fundamentalist and wacky. I suspect Mr BornStein does have a basic understanding of the j*d*o-christian tradition but he and the journalist possibly have absolutely zero understanding about religion in general or religion as a phenomenon or the psychology and the sociology of religion etc. Not even a basic understanding of the Bible (meaning the Hebrew bible and the New Testament) which has been so foundational to Western civilization, literacy, language, law and literature or a history of it’s interpretation over time. Not even a basic idea of basic Christian thought. This is why I sometimes get angry at the way the humanities have been destroyed in universities, mostly by f****** idiotic eftist academics in the humanities themselves. We end up with the universally dumb and malicious.

  181. Knuckle Dragger

    No he wasn’t old bloke.

    Lord Protector, my arse.

  182. “Andrew Bolt doesn’t believe in God. Why do his kids have a Godfather at all?”

    I thought you had Godparents for your children when you baptised them..is this true?

  183. Pedro the Ignorant

    The Israeli army helmet cover is oversized and baggy on purpose. Camouflage.

    Decidedly daggy looking, but seems to work very well. It is woodland green and brown one side, and desert tan and brown on the reverse.

    One of the reasons camouflage patterns and shapes are deliberately irregular is to blend in with natural background.

    Straight lines and regular shapes or patterns very rarely occur in nature.

    There endeth the lesson.

  184. “old bloke
    #3064995, posted on June 28, 2019 at 3:08 pm
    Clearly, Richard III was an Essendon supporter.

    Richard III wasn’t the rightful heir to the throne in any event.”

    He became “King” after he organised the murder of his two nephews.

  185. Ellen of Tasmania

    Enough of this libertarian bashing.

    Fair go, Dot, I’m more libertarian than most commenters here. But it is getting discussion out there amongst libertarians and ex-libertarians who feel that the theory isn’t dealing with the problem issues they see arising at this particular time. Immigration, open borders, monopolies, free speech, tracking etc.

    I think it’s an interesting discussion.

  186. None

    Yes Cassie it’s true unless he and his wife we’re into some sort of whacko new age trip.

  187. Knuckle Dragger

    Edward I used lawfare to great effect at the turn of the twelfth century.

    Rival clans the Bruces and Balliols were at each other in relation to whose lad would be King of Scotland.

    ‘Volunteer advisers’ on both sides managed to muddy the diplomatic waters so much the Scots as a whole asked Edward to make a decision.

    And his decision was to invade the whole country.

  188. “Ellen of Tasmania
    #3065002, posted on June 28, 2019 at 3:13 pm

    I think it’s an interesting discussion.”

    Agree Ellen

  189. Tom

    Bern, Tal is the godmother of the Cat’s Kittehs.

    Hi, Tal.

  190. Knuckle Dragger

    Correct, Pedro. The ‘five sluts and a mole’, as we were taught.

  191. Knuckle Dragger

    Edward I used conscripts in his army, by the way.

    Just sayin’.

  192. None

    You have to remember to that many religious schools require at least one parent to be an adherent of good standing. And also that children are baptised or whatever . Plenty of people get their kids baptised just so they can get them into certain schools or just get them baptised or christened because that’s what they think you should do and then never set foot inside a church again full stop the better pastors and priests would gently counsel them but on the other hand they are also reluctant to deny a child. It always amuses me how those who trash the church the most are also those who want to avail themselves of both her moral authority and her benefits. This is why the church is the central gathering ground for hypocrites.

  193. Pedro the Ignorant

    I am Folau’d out.

    Much as I support freedom of speech etc., this interminable discussion, the never ending media blah blah and its off shoot side issues have burned out my care factor completely.

    It doesn’t help that I a had never heard of Folau, and possibly been to two or three rugby games in my life and those were probably spent reducing the stock at the bar.

    Time to resume discussing traditional things like Thermomix and industrial meat slicers on open threads.

  194. Lilliana

    My goodness I just saw a picture of the RA CEO for the first time – rather scary looking.

  195. Pedro the Ignorant

    Correct, Pedro. The ‘five sluts and a mole’, as we were taught.

    from KD.

    That is a bit too deep for me, Knuckles.

    (I have been to Bangkok, but that is not really relevant, methinks) 🙂

  196. Knuckle Dragger

    Little known fact:

    Richard III had the interior of his skull Thermomixed towards the end of the Battle of Bosworth Field.

  197. Tal

    Pineapple on pizza ……..

  198. none

    Mr Bornstein said he regarded Folau’s anti-gay fundamentalist Christian sentiments as “ridiculous, and I struggle to take them seriously”. But Rugby Australia, he said, still had no business sacking him for “his wacky views”. He said “broad and vague” codes of conduct and contractual obligations were being imposed on employ­ees to make them abide by company policies and values. But they also extended to employees’ behaviour outside the workplace.

    Note the continual smear, misrepresentation and slander by both journalist and lawyer. Do you think either of these two would actually fairly represent you?

  199. none

    Tomato sauce or ketchup?

  200. Knuckle Dragger

    No no no Pedro. Used in conjunction with bushcraft.

    Shape\Shine /Silhouette\Something/Something\Movement.

    Things that make you visible in the bush when you don’t want to be.

  201. notafan

    Mr Bornstein has failed basic comprehension of Christian doctrine, even that of the True Jesus Church.

    would be nice if those opining could at least get their facts straight

  202. notafan

    Tomato sauce or ketchup?

    either is fine with me

    I am okay with pineapple on ham related pizza

  203. Infidel Tiger

    Mr Bornstein has failed basic comprehension of Christian doctrine, even that of the True Jesus Church.

    would be nice if those opining could at least get their facts straight

    Doesn’t matter if he gets that wrong, he is right in law about corporatism curtailing our rights.

    Godspeed to the atheist lefty lawyer I say.

  204. “Knuckle Dragger
    #3065010, posted on June 28, 2019 at 3:18 pm
    Edward I used conscripts in his army, by the way.

    Just sayin’.”

    Stop it….just stop it….you’re baiting him..it has been so nice not having him post his tedious bird shit all over the blog over the last few days. Which begs the question…just where is he…my theory is that he is either hibernating due to sickness (in the head) or he really is doing research to dox us.

  205. “notafan
    #3065020, posted on June 28, 2019 at 3:24 pm
    Mr Bornstein has failed basic comprehension of Christian doctrine”

    I don’t think Mr Bornstein has a clue about Christian doctrine….I am pretty sure he is one of my lot…and I don’t think he has a clue about any Talmud or Midrash commentary either.

  206. rickw

    Edward I used conscripts in his army, by the way.

    Just sayin’.

    Did any of them write a scroll about the experience and endlessly bother passers by in the village square on the subject?

  207. Knuckle Dragger

    Speaking of inconsequential elites, Turnbull’s boychick (h/t Bubbles) Alex has returned to garden-variety idiocy.

    Latest hobbies appear to include gobbing off about electric cars and Manus Island.

  208. Leigh Lowe

    Strange days indeed.
    I find myself in agreement with Gillian Triggs and Josh Birnstein, and barracking for John Setka to keep his job.
    The whole thing is RayBurgess.

  209. Knuckle Dragger

    New Sky reportchicky Katrina Stefanovic.

    Peter Stefanovic to co-host brekky TV on Sky.

    Karl must be due for a gig on Sky Weather any time soon.

  210. old bloke

    Did any of them write a scroll about the experience and endlessly bother passers by in the village square on the subject?

    One of them was known to constantly complain that he wasn’t given the option to opt-out of the Scottish campaign.

  211. Top Ender

    The wounds to Richard III – skull and elsewhere – may well have been caused post mortem; ie: after he was dead, as “insult” wounds.

    Common enough when the body went by to give it a whack, preferably in the sight of the winners, to show how much you hated him, and had fought for the winning side etc.

    As for the Princes in the Tower, no-one has managed to prove Richard or his followers did away with them, despite hundreds of years of trying.

    Richard III was a much better monarch than he is given credit for, especially as the Tudors spent many busy decades blackening his name after they took power, to show how entitled they were to the throne.

  212. Knuckle Dragger

    LL,

    It is London Lee clear that a strange state of affairs exists.

  213. egg_

    Ray Burgess is Baby John’s brother…

    Ray Burgess played Ronald McDonald, among other things.

  214. Knuckle Dragger

    Cassie,

    I believe he’s off making return trips to the newsagents, stocking up on crayons for his PhD.

    His new goal in life is to be accorded the same educational qualification as approximately half our prison population.

  215. Knuckle Dragger

    rickw,

    That’s how the ‘Town Crier’ got his name.

  216. Leigh Lowe

    Mr Bornstein has failed basic comprehension of Christian doctrine, even that of the True Jesus Church.

    would be nice if those opining could at least get their facts straight

    Chill, folks.
    The fact that lefty lawyers are joining the fray is excellent.
    If he only had people from his branch of the church who shared his beliefs 100% in his corner he would be in strife.

  217. Filbert

    No no no Pedro. Used in conjunction with bushcraft.

    Shape\Shine /Silhouette\Something/Something\Movement.

    Things that make you visible in the bush when you don’t want to be.

    Shadow and Spacing KD.

  218. Pedro the Ignorant

    Rats, KD. Disappointed that your “Five sluts . . . etc” is only a memory aid.

    I thought you were about to launch into some filthy stories from the hot dog stand, even though it is a bit early for the Friday bloke’s night.

  219. none

    IT – one of the key problems in this debate is tjat the concept of religion is very difficult to define and it is virtually undefined in law so if you’re going to be arguing religious Freedom or freedom of religious expression you ahave to tackle that question first. So in the Folau case you have to argue both that this was religious expression which is something that the RA is denying and then argue to what extent can an employer curtail it or whatever the proper legal terms are.
    I’m not a religion scholar, my amateur interest is more in history anyway although you can’t really avoid the theology side if you’re dealing with history of religious groups. I am so astonished at the level if pig ignorance ( although I suspect a fair measure of willful ignorance too) that I suspect he is going to have a very hard time even arguing that that post was valid religious expression even though anyone who knows the first thing about christian history and particularily the evangelical movement would just look at that and his instagram feed and go, meh. Nothing new to see here, move along.

  220. John Constantine

    It follows the release last week by The Australia Institute of research showing that the Murray Darling Basin Authority (MDBA) caused ecological harm and reduced water to irrigators when it caused floods at the Barmah choke and drained the Menindee Lakes.

    ‘‘While everyone else in the basin was dealing with drought, the MDBA created a flood and lost large volumes of water,’’ The Australia Institute senior water researcher Maryanne Slattery said.

    ‘‘The artificial flood from August to January was not for environmental purposes, in fact it caused environmental harm. The out of season flooding eroded banks and damaged the internationally significant Barmah-Millewa forest.

    ‘‘This comes on the back of the MDBA’s draining of Menindee Lakes, which contributed to the summer fish kills and to less water available for users.

  221. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Ellen

    Virtually all the problems you bring up revolve around the government doling out OPM.

    Immigration –> this also leads to a debate on the quality of migrants and qualified arguments to restrict immigration to protect liberty.
    Surveillance state –> this leads to a debate about private prisons and incentivising incarceration.
    Free speech –> there is a debate as to how FaceBook makes its money. Is it data mining for the government, even if inadvertently? A lot of these un-personings are basically acts of economic tort (usually ones the general public does not know about).
    Monopolies –> why do those monopolies exist? It goes so far as libertarians thinking IP rights beyond common law rights are very sketchy. Unbanking people would not be viable if banks were not protected and the government was not hostile to BTC and alternative payment processors.

  222. Knuckle Dragger

    Filbert,

    THANK YOU.

    It’s been driving me nuts ever since I thought of it earlier.

    The whole thing was Ray Burgess.

  223. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Richard III was a much better monarch than he is given credit for, especially as the Tudors spent many busy decades blackening his name after they took power, to show how entitled they were to the throne.

    Henry VII was one of the greediest monarchs who ever sat on the throne, more so, he was also a miser.

    He just loved counting revenue.

  224. Some History

    Sinc, email sent.

  225. old bloke

    ‘‘This comes on the back of the MDBA’s draining of Menindee Lakes, which contributed to the summer fish kills and to less water available for users.

    MDBA have been taking too much MDMA.

  226. Infidel Tiger

    As Bornstein said, someone being fired for saying Anzac Day is wank on their social media is jut as shit as what happened to Izzy.

    Corporatism wants to control your private life.

  227. none

    Leigh there is also a risk here particularly given the pig ignorance about religion and Christianity especially that if it goes all the way to the High Court you can effectively end up banning the Bible and that certainly is what some homosexualist activist want. So it would be particularly interesting to know who snitched on him that is who dobbed him into ra for that post and that post in particular. As I’ve repeatedly said there are all sorts of the genders being played out here and Lefty lawyers joining the fray don’t actually inspire me with hope. I suspect it will advance to some point before one or both parties back down.

  228. none

    Saying Anzac Day is shit is not religious expression. Saying it on an ABC branded account less so.

  229. notafan

    I don’t think Mr Bornstein has a clue about Christian doctrine….I am pretty sure he is one of my lot…and I don’t think he has a clue about any Talmud or Midrash commentary either.

    Yes I get all that but he is incorrectly characterizing Izzy’s views, just like just about everyone else

    Seems to me important because that is a constant theme here and there, that Christians hate homosexuals and damn them all to hell

  230. none

    Stop culturally appropriating me, Knuckles.

  231. “As for the Princes in the Tower, no-one has managed to prove Richard or his followers did away with them, despite hundreds of years of trying.”

    That’s not quite true. As David Starkey…a very good contemporary historian has written, there is strong evidence of Richard’s involvement. Sir James Tyrrell confessed to the murders at his trial for treason in 1502…..and no less than King Henry VII and his queen, Elizabeth Tudor…who was the sister of the murdered boys…attended the trial. As Starkey has written, why would they go unless they had a vested and very personal interest in the man. Monarchs do not usually attend “trials for treason”.

    Secondly Richard had a clear motive to murder the boys….legitimacy. After Richard crowned himself king…the boys disappeared and were never seen again. I think that is pretty solid evidence.

  232. zyconoclast

    Sinclair Davidson
    #3064900, posted on June 28, 2019 at 1:57 pm
    None – do you eat with that mouth?

    Gastropod?

  233. Knuckle Dragger

    Dysentery may have robbed the Poms of two great Kingships.

    Henry V and John.

  234. Dr Faustus

    The Australian Defence Force has 10 full-time gender advisers and 135 qualified gender advisers.

    I wonder what qualifies a ‘gender advisor’.
    And why there are 145 of them anywhere, let alone in the ADF.

  235. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    More question dodging than Rihanna defending Chris Brown smacking her around:

    https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/04/elisabeth-moss-scientology-handmaids-tale

  236. zyconoclast

    I want RA to burn in hellfire.

    Maybe he didn’t add them to his Instagram list because there is no redemption for RA.

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