Tuesday Forum: June 25, 2019

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  1. thefrollickingmole

    C.L.

    Their ABC have already wheeled out a legal guru to solemnly intone that it might be unethical for a lawyer to take the money raised in this way.

    Based on “the vive/Mabo” sort of thing.

  2. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    ‘I tripled my donation’: Israel Folau’s new fundraiser is MORE popular than his deleted GoFundMe – with defiant supporters pouring in $1,000 every minute

    Daily Mail

  3. About 10,000 I think.

    Methinks its safe to assume that there are, at least, now 10,000 x 2 people really p1ssed orf.
    The number would probably exceed the Nein print circulation.

  4. Eddystone

    This is an extraordinary thing that is happening.

    It feels a bit like the Trump election, normal people finally getting a voice.

  5. hzhousewife

    Their ABC have already wheeled out a legal guru to solemnly intone that it might be unethical for a lawyer to take the money raised in this way.

    So exactly what way would it be OK to raise the money?

  6. Graham

    Have just put in my donation at the ACL. A very nice thank you email they send.

    He may not need $3 million, but I hope he gets it.

  7. Rafe Champion

    Nice work hz, I think the things is not to come on strong, find out how people feel about it at their first impression and ask some questions to get them thinking.
    Over-reaction by GFM and the leftwing shockjocks is the best thing that could have happened.
    Just have an answer to the claim it is about homophobia.
    There is no scrap of evidence that Folau is homophobic, that is a massive red herring.
    Also insist there is no need to share his faith or any of his beliefs.
    For all I know he could be a reprehensible person, like a Collingwood supporter, but this is a matter of freedom not personal beliefs or worthiness.

  8. Rafe Champion

    Does offending supporters of football teams come under 18c?

  9. like a Collingwood supporter

    That’s going too far.

  10. P

    Bar Beach Swimmer #3051164, posted on June 24, 2019 at 10:35 am

    4) every worker is now on notice that they are the property of the employer whether at work or not, until such time as they no longer work for the company.
    Reminds me of that old song – ‘I owe my soul to the company store’.

  11. thefrollickingmole

    What an interesting gofundme…

    https://www.gofundme.com/dylans-drive-for-justice-change

    Dylan Voller has hit the road this week on a national campaign for justice and basic Indigenous human rights in Australia.

    Dylan is on a journey “around Australia to meet people and share story’s gather ideas” and intends to “finish this trip and arrive in Canberra on invasion day, the day we suffer”.

    https://www.gofundme.com/ladders-to-get-over-trump039s-wall
    Ladders to Get Over Trump’s Wall

    etc etc….

  12. None

    C.L.

    #3053003, posted on June 25, 2019 at 1:34 pm

    yep every member of his family, every one of his friends and business contacts, every member of his church, anyone who went to school with him, everybody is now a target. And all I want to say is thank you to every drunken, woman bashing, sex orgy, piss in your mouth, dog sex simulating, drug addled league and Union player for demonstrating why people prefer players like Izzy to you. Next.

  13. Leigh Lowe

    Does anyone recall the number of donors at GFM?

    Just on 10,000.
    Insignificant.

  14. Mother Lode

    They’re like pent-up drunks on the verge of bashing the Mrs because the Roosters went down against the Rabbitohs.

    I think I finally understand why the left is so furious about Izzy.

    He spoke of the possibility of redemption for idolaters, adulterers, atheists, sodomites, people who talk or eat chips from bags that crackle at the theatre – but there is to be no redemption for a lefty.

    But that goes without saying anyway.

  15. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    https://www.gofundme.com/dylans-drive-for-justice-change

    Dylan Voller has hit the road this week on a national campaign for justice and basic Indigenous human rights in Australia.

    Interesting reading indeed – someone’s posted his record…..

  16. Chris

    I want another one to fund a campaign to have ‘full staff vacancy/you may apply for your position’ for the ABC.
    A billion dollars a year has been diverted to gay marriage and anti-coal nonsense.

  17. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Dylan is on a journey “around Australia to meet people and share story’s gather ideas” and intends to “finish this trip and arrive in Canberra on invasion day, the day we suffer”.

    here’s an idea reject everything the white man has brought to oz and go bush. is this guy even abo?

  18. Some History

    The Pontificating Poyret: “I have my finger on the pulse of normal people. I am a normal people. I’m the most normal people I know”.

    https://imgur.com/pnlbf8Q

  19. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    here’s an idea reject everything the white man has brought to oz and go bush. is this guy even abo?

    One sixteenth?

  20. Mother Lode

    It feels a bit like the Trump election, normal people finally getting a voice.

    And unlike the left who expect all their causes and transports of rage to be paid for, all the support the MSM can muster, and who think hosing pixels out of their keyboards is speaking truth to power – all from their sofas – these are people who are putting their own money out there while being abused in every term imaginable as bigots, idiots, gulls and monsters that enjoy seeing children suffering in hospital.

  21. Ryan

    I want to be the donor that tips Izzy over the $750k mark

  22. pete m

    LL, the ATO could deem funds raised as income as he is not a charity. So yes, they have an interest.

    Dover Beach I still fondly recall when we closed all our ANZ accounts and left the bastards. Was asked why by the nice teller and my wife leapt in to say got a better deal elsewhere before I could tell her the other 40 reasons why.

    Actually we just wanted another offset account but they refused, only available to private banking customers. So we went to Suncorp who allow you 9 online separate offset accounts, no fees on any account and keep giving us better rates when asked.

    DB please get a good broker, shop around and change as it is a great feeling leaving 1 of the majors. Worth the few minutes changing dd etc.

  23. Some History

    $750,000 (and it’s only early afternoon) WOW

  24. Caveman

    Good to see an organisation like ACL not buckle to SJW ‘s BS.

    Im still wainting for 1m to be reached , probably happen by about 3pm , then ill pump in some coin, got deal with climate emergency here in Sydney first , i think Sydney will be gone by tomorrow.

  25. Mother Lode

    He may not need $3 million, but I hope he gets it.

    Perhaps he could use the change to look into GFM, and the unrestrained libel from the MSM who were determined that he should be denied a chance to put his case before the law as if it was up to them to deny him that.

    If I sued Pirate Pete I would demand all his bandanas, and that on the weekend there would be no sneaking out for brekky, but that he should sit across the table from his outworn wife whose plastic moldings and inserts may have been state of the art years ago, but are now an embarrassment – like the old Dr Who special effects.

  26. Tintarella di Luna

    As at two minutes ago the fund is just a tick over $761,000

  27. Mother Lode

    I want another one to fund a campaign to have ‘full staff vacancy/you may apply for your position’ for the ABC.

    The trick is to avoid people or their mates writing the job descriptions – they write them so they just happen to be exactly the person they are looking for…again.

    I believe there is a fair bit of that when a person’s temporary appointment (which was made temporary for a purpose) is up.

  28. stackja

    Socrates at the Pub
    #3051135, posted on June 24, 2019 at 10:20 am
    When it went down, Izzy’s gofundme was at $765,000 (exactly)
    from 10,319 people.

    $765,365.77 raised

  29. Tintarella di Luna

    I heard some brain-dead nitwit ring Alan Jones this morning saying that the business Go Fund Me was being hurt by hosting the Israel Folau Legal Action Campaign page.

    I think Go Fund Me has suffered more hurt by its action in taking down Israel Folau’s page. Now everyone can see that it’s Go F You well and truly when people now realise that it is like a parasite that feeds and feasts on the illnesses of children and the compassion of people who want to do some good.

    Get woke go broke — Well done Ms Wokeness Britton.

  30. stackja

    Tintarella di Luna
    #3053045, posted on June 25, 2019 at 2:14 pm
    As at two minutes ago the fund is just a tick over $761,000

    Now

    $770,133.77 raised

  31. Farmer Gez

    I pray the talking clams give the ACL fundraiser a real savaging tonight.
    Their anti free speech and anti Christian sneering should boost the tally nicely by tomorrow.
    It’s all about love they say but only for those they deem worthy of love, hence they can’t comprehend the very basis of the Christian doctrine of love.

  32. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    $761K. I think he’s there, and all the rest now is bonus. Well deserved.
    Sock it to ’em, Israel. And keep the money rolling in, Cats and others.
    GFM has been routed but the bigger the bucks the greater the bang.

    Did the ACL site just recover from a DoS attack?

  33. Beertruk

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3053036, posted on June 25, 2019 at 2:00 pm
    here’s an idea reject everything the white man has brought to oz and go bush. is this guy even abo?

    One sixteenth?

    ‘A person’s sense of Aboriginal identity, oppression and dispossession is inversely proportional to Aboriginal DNA.’

  34. areff

    Why the silence from the political class? Rugby Australia has pocketed $28.4 million in taxpayer support over the past two years. Shouldn’t the stewards of the public purse be saying something about where, how and by whom public monies are received and spent?

    Apart from McGrath and Arbetz, I don’t think anyone else on the government benches has uttered a peep of protest, even mild disquiet.

    The Minister for Sport is Sen Richard Colbeck, and if he has said anything about Folau and RA neither I nor Google can find it. Given that public monies are involved, maybe he needs a bit of ginger up him.

    His Canberra office: (02) 6277 7720

  35. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Chris Kenny just interviewing the lone Liberal rep on Sydney City Council, who was timidly trying to explain why he voted in favour of the fake ’emergency’, even though he knew it was fake and tremendously overblown (although a climate believer he really is at heart). If he hadn’t voted for it he would have been unable, he says, to contribute to policy, would become totally ostracized (even though he claimed he already was so), and would be thrown to the baying crowds who surrounded Council meeting.. You don’t know what they’re like, he almost bleated.

    Well, yes mate, we do know what they’re like, and we know they didn’t vote for you, so why not be a man and stand up for those who did vote for you? You have a right to present your viewpoint in Council meetings without being howled down, and if you miss invitations to drinkies then tough titty.

    Call the cops if things get rough for you. Time to get rough back, sailor. Grow some. love Lizzie.

  36. None

    Good suggestion, areff.

  37. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    ‘A person’s sense of Aboriginal identity, oppression and dispossession is inversely proportional to Aboriginal DNA.’

    Pay that one, Beery.

  38. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    There’s no accountability, areff. Speccie (sorry, know that’s the competitor) had an interesting article in one of the four recent copies awaiting our return. About funding of the Queer Pride building, apparently to be a magnificent edifice, by Fitzroy Council to the tune of (from jetlagged memory) about $28m, with Plibbers having been ready to offer another $15 mil which she now can’t provide because voters have been racist and discriminatory. The writer of the piece (nicely done, btw) carefully notes that he was stepping over the bodies of this world’s human detritus sleeping rough, such sadness to behold indeed, and speculates how very much help that more than $40 million would have been to assist getting these people into a warm bed on these cold nights, at the very least. Gay Pride trumps freezing to death though, any day.

  39. None

    Lizzy Israel Folau’s own website has been suffering denial of service attacks and ACL is quite used to them and would probably be better prepared for them. I’ve actually been impressed that their website hasn’t crashed with a number of donations going in at the rate that they’re going in. They’ve got some serious crunch behind them by the looks of it. Good on them.

  40. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Claremont Serial Killings: Prosecutors prepare to counter any suggestion victims may have died by suicide
    Shannon HamptonPerthNow
    June 25, 2019 12:17PM

    Prosecutors are preparing to counter any suggestion the victims of the accused Claremont serial killer took their own lives, with plans to provide evidence about their ‘state of mind’ at the time of their disappearances.

    On the second day of a directions hearing ahead of Bradley Robert Edwards trial in November, prosecutor Carmel Barbagallo told the Supreme Court she wanted to lead evidence from Sarah Spiers’ and Ciara Glennon’s family and friends.

    She also revealed Mr Edwards had for the first time formally conceded Ms Spiers — whose body has never been found — had died, although he made no admissions “as to the timing and manner of her death”.

    Mr Edwards has denied murdering Ms Spiers, 18, Jane Rimmer, 23, and Ms Glennon, 27, who were abducted from the streets of Claremont in the 1990s.

    On Monday, lawyers for alleged Mr Edwards raised objections to parts of the prosecution’s witness statements, including claims from a woman she found him in her bedroom, within arm’s reach of her underwear drawer.

    Experts who assessed Mr Edwards after he attacked social worker at Hollywood Hospital in 1990 also found he felt a “strong need to feel secure”, had “quite a fragile self-esteem” and was “emotionally constricted”

  41. Slim Cognito

    Their ABC have already wheeled out a legal guru to solemnly intone that it might be unethical for a lawyer to take the money raised in this way.

    Since when have lawyers been required to verify the source of the money used to pay their fees? Do they seriously think that all those criminal barristers are paid with money obtained from an honest job (after paying tax of course)? Never bothered them before.

  42. Tel

    Why the silence from the political class? Rugby Australia has pocketed $28.4 million in taxpayer support over the past two years. Shouldn’t the stewards of the public purse be saying something about where, how and by whom public monies are received and spent?

    Weird how there was once a time we could play sport without government supervision and the diversion of tax money for a purpose clearly NOT listed anywhere in s51 of the Australian Constitution.

    We would all be better off without Rugby Australia and without the tax drain any of the government sport expenditure involves. Why is there even an Australian Minister for Sport? It’s plainly illegal … there should be no such minister.

  43. Mak Siccar

    Bruce
    #3053007, posted on June 25, 2019 at 1:36 pm
    @ cassie of Sydney:

    “….when you lie down with leftists….what do you wake up with?”

    Count yourself lucky if you wake up at all.

    “ … a thorough rogering !”

  44. Eddystone

    $800,861.88 raised

  45. Leigh Lowe

    Can someone summarise all these pressure points … Federal funding of RA etc … in one place, then everyone can hook into the relevant ministers and local nembers or state senators.
    Use the lefty playbook.
    Bombard them.

  46. Leigh Lowe

    I reckon Easy Flour will end up with $1.5 meg in the kitty. $800k and counting from public donations, plus $100k from ACL, plus I reckon another $200k to $400k from big donors.
    In a weird kind of way, this has developed it’s own momentum to the point where previously timid supporters are now happy to be (ahem) “out and proud” about their support.

  47. Just on 10,000.
    Insignificant.

    The illiberal party would just lurve that sort of insignificance.
    10,000 people to put their hand up and raise 750k in a day?

  48. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    They’ve got some serious crunch behind them by the looks of it. Good on them.

    Hope so. They did go down for a short while apparently; maybe they want to pace things themselves.

    This has been a great day for thumping back at the loonies and their gutless corporate followers.
    Speech must be free. That is the foundation of all successful and peaceful democracies.

    I am not a churchgoer, simply a feckless agnostic who enjoys life and tries to get by as best I can, loving my family and from that the world at large. We support Israel’s right to r declare his bible to whomsoever he wishes if they wish to listen, and those who don’t want to listen don’t have to do so.

    Religious people do a lot of good in the world. At the Russian Orthodox church in Alaska you could put someone’s name down if they were drinking too much, and they would pray for them, whoever they were and wherever they came from. Hairy was scared for a minute that I would enroll him. Do it yourself, I said, for I am a believer in self-help in all things. He said he is not ready to take the pledge yet. 🙂

    Hairy is donating to Israel Folau’s cause for us.

  49. rickw

    LL, 3:00pm Izzy funding update please!

  50. Beertruk

    This from Alan Jones:
    Friends, Aussies, rugby followers, lend me your ears ALAN JONES
    Israel Folau.
    Israel Folau.
    12:00AM JUNE 21, 2019
    473 COMMENTS

    I don’t want to overdo the Shakespeare stuff, but it was Mark Anthony, re the tragedy of Julius Caesar, who uttered the words that should resonate with Rugby Australia.

    “Oh judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts and men have lost their reason. Bear with me.”

    Indeed. The judgment being exercised by the rugby administration is obviously predicated on the belief that the Folau affair will go away.

    Those running the game are either ignorant or indifferent; that is, they don’t know or they do know and don’t care.

    You see, endless scarce resources are being used to condemn, vilify and misrepresent anything associated with Israel Folau, as public momentum builds inexorably against RA.

    I understand it even has a journalist dedicated to “bagging” anything Folau says in order to protect the untenable position of the administration.

    MORE: Folau sets up GoFundMe page

    MORE: ‘No religion clause in contract’

    In November last year, the Federal Minister for Education announced an independent review into freedom of speech within universities.

    It was undertaken by the Hon Mr Robert French AC, former distinguished chief justice of the High Court of Australia.

    Among the conclusions delivered by Justice French was the assertion that freedom of lawful speech is a “paramount value” and that students and staff do not need to be protected from being offended or insulted.

    As I have said, week after week, the rugby family understand this; the administration doesn’t.

    Last week, your response to my column was unprecedented.

    On this newspaper’s website, on which only subscribers can comment, there were 1330 comments; on this newspaper’s Facebook page there were 1438 comments; on my own Facebook page, where the story appeared, more than a day later, there were a further 586 comments.

    David writes: “A good first step to resolving the Folau problem would be for Qantas to get rid of Joyce as he is putting the whole country offside.”

    “H” wrote: “Interesting that in both the social media post, and the sermon, someone had to be actively following Folau on social media or in the church where he was preaching. The choice is surely to ‘unfriend’ from social media or walk out of the church if you don’t agree; but it looks as though some people were actively trying to find something on Folau …”

    James: “Tonight I threw out my Wallabies and Waratahs gear. They do not deserve any support given their inhumane actions.”

    Peter: “Alan, thank you for keeping this very important issue in the spotlight. The administrators of our national rugby team and national airline are seeking to impose on Australia an intolerance of uncomfortable views that diminishes the national character. Australians are tough enough to deal with views they don’t agree with and don’t need to be ‘protected’ by this hypocritical mob.”

    Michael writes: “I’m one of those ex Rugby followers who will no longer attend a game or watch it on TV. I am very unimpressed with RA who should have had the gumption to tell Qantas the posts did not reflect RA’s beliefs and that no action against Izzy was proposed as he was expressing a personal view independently of RA. The clots!!”

    Peter: “What staggers me is how idiotic RA are, all for 30 pieces of silver from a sponsor. What don’t they understand about freedom of speech? Is Raelene Castle up to the job? In fact, are any of the Board up to the job or are they just digging their snouts further into the sponsorship trough.”

    Craig makes the point ­expressed by thousands: “Go Folau … take RA for everything you ­deserve”.

    Well, I can assure you Israel is not about money.

    He’s about principle.

    The Fair Work Commission has asked RA to sit down with Israel Folau on June 28 to see if the parties can reconcile their differences.

    Breaking bread is unlikely if RA is taking orders from its sponsor, Qantas, which seemingly wants Folau permanently out of the Qantas Wallabies.

    Worse, it wants him out of all rugby for life.

    Now we have the almost unbelievable proposition that the Israel Folau saga has, allegedly, delivered the NSW Waratahs, and its ­organisation, a season of abject grief.

    You have this New Zealand CEO, Andrew Hore, buying into it, arguing that the controversy has put enormous pressure on the ­organisation.

    And according to Hore: “I look at the effect it has had on us commercially and through the business, because you’re not just talking about the competition or the team.”

    Is there a sinew of rugby in any of these people who are running the game, that thinks of anything other than the commercial consequence?

    Can someone admit that this so-called saga began with the ­abrupt and irrational response by administrators to a social media post about a young man’s religious beliefs that would never have been noticed had it not been raised by administrators.

    Because of this irrational response, the game is falling apart.

    NSW, in Super Rugby, is the ­ultimate manifestation of the mess.

    In a 15-team competition, they finished 12th. Queensland finished 14th, ­second last.

    And the Melbourne Rebels 11th.

    Forget Israel Folau.

    On those results alone, if we were a fair dinkum commercial outfit, the administrators would have to go.

    Queensland are second last but their coach was re-signed before a ball was kicked this year.

    NSW, fourth last, and their coach was signed for next year ­before a ball was kicked.

    Presumably, none of these people are accountable.

    Instead we see the Wallaby coach putting in a phone call to the gifted rugby schoolboy, now State of Origin league star, Kalyn Ponga about playing for the Wallabies.

    Get the drift?

    Folau’s gone, the money is freed up.

    Spend it on Ponga.

    All this is as if everything ahead in relation to Folau will be plain sailing and one-way traffic for RA.

    It seems no one is telling the ­administrators the courts might see things differently.

    There may be no money left for Ponga who has admitted anyway that whatever rugby instincts he has left steer him towards the All Blacks.

    If we were momentarily to forget Israel Folau, how does RA ­answer the fact the Melbourne Rebels surrendered 125 points in the past two games; or, if you combine the scores of the Melbourne Rebels and the Waratahs in the last game alone, the Kiwis have beaten us by 108 points to 20. No player wants to be identified with such abysmal failure.

    Off the paddock, the same story has unfolded.

    Bernard Foley, Quade Cooper and Christian Lealiifano are off to play in Japan.

    Will Skelton, Sean McMahon, Joe Tomane, Taqele Naiyaravoro and James O’Connor are already in the northern hemisphere.

    They’ll be joined by David ­Pocock, Henry Speight, Sam Carter, Rory Arnold, Adam Coleman, Nick Phipps, Sekope Kepu, Curtis Rona, Scott Higginbotham and the Queensland captain Samu Kerevi.

    Is that a vote of confidence in Australian rugby?

    Who was the bright spark who insisted that Super Rugby provinces rest players for a World Cup that is months away; and in so doing, demoralising the significant talent available to us; and turning the scoreboard into a visual nightmare.

    How is any sponsor or broadcaster going to come to rugby to endorse this mess unless there is a complete clean-out of those running the game?

    Of course anyone with honour presiding over this catastrophe would put their resignation on the table.

    Believe me, a financial tsunami is on its way for RA.

    The new broadcast deal with Fox Sports could see the governing body scrambling to cut costs further.

    If this happens, the Rebels and the Brumbies will be under ­extreme pressure from the Grim Reaper, aka Cameron Clyne.

    We’ll become a banana rugby republic and like the Pacific ­Islands, Argentina and South Africa, we will be nothing more than a breeding ground for players bound for the big European and Japanese clubs.

    RA is still without an attack coach for the World Cup.

    The former Randwick player, Shaun Berne, is the pea for the job; but, unfortunately, he’s currently working with the Rebels who have coughed up 120 points in the past two games.

    The attack coach they booted out, Stephen Larkham, is also off to the northern hemisphere, to join the very successful Munster Rugby.

    It gets worse, if that is possible.

    If, as it is clear, there is no judgment among the administrators to deal with the Israel Folau affair or as Mark Anthony argued in Julius Caesar, “Man has lost his reason,” how on Earth will this incompetent administration, with limited respect on the international stage, deal with the any proposed World Rugby concept, such as the so-called Nations Championship?

    World Rugby is understood to have offered £5 billion ($9.2bn) to the 12 possible competing nations over the course of 12 years before the concept fell over yesterday.

    While some countries are saying there must be more to consider than just the financials; that the ­integrity of the game, at all costs, must be preserved; RA, which has sold its soul to Qantas for $4 million a year, will do anything to get its hands on the cash.

    The game, sadly, is, at best, secondary. If money isn’t the primary focus, why would RA have embarked on this relentless, punitive, defamatory and utterly destructive attack on Israel Folau?

    Mark Anthony was right. The game, under the current administration, has lost all reason.

  51. areff

    Spot on, Lizzie. I wonder if the gayseum will have a special display of hotels and function centres obliged to cancel ACL meetings after bomb threats and harassment?

  52. Old School Conservative

    cohenite
    #3052585, posted on June 25, 2019 at 9:10 am
    Chris Hemsworth is a bit of a dickhead. He has joined forces with the flying fuckwit, branson, to set up Bitcoin revolution a company to redistribute money from rich investors to the punters. Yeah really.

    It’s a scam.
    These people have been setting up very professional web sites for some time now, in which high profile celebrities are made out to be successful users of the system being sold to unsuspecting punters.
    The “Shark Tank” presenters are most usually used as unsuspecting promoters of the scam.
    Bitcoin and Erectile Disfunction medication are the products often being touted.

  53. Perth Trader

    I’m not sure how this would play out but I’d love to see a Rabbi and a Iman on Folua’s defence team. The Project puppets would’nt know how to ask questions.

  54. Why the silence from the political class?

    Because they’re astute enough to understand the outrage is largely confected and irrelevant.
    Most voters (except perhaps the 10000 or so who donated) couldn’t give a stuff.
    The only people engaged are the professional God-botherers and a few well heeled happy clappers.
    Oh – and the usual suspects who post here. The <5% who are true Harpics, in other words.
    It also sells papers and attracts clicks, but nothing fundamentally significant is happening.

  55. Socrates at the Pub
    #3051135, posted on June 24, 2019 at 10:20 am
    When it went down, Izzy’s gofundme was at $765,000 (exactly)
    from 10,319 people.

    $765,365.77 raised
    $814,811

  56. Numbers, go & take a running jump at yourself.
    I donated too.
    Heavily this time around.
    What do you think is my motivation?

  57. thefrollickingmole

    but nothing fundamentally significant is happening.

  58. None

    Perth trader Imam Tawidi might be a good candidate

  59. Leigh Lowe

    rickw

    #3053079, posted on June 25, 2019 at 3:01 pm

    LL, 3:00pm Izzy funding update please!

    Ha, ha.
    I have been advised that slacking off on a sunny day will see me (a) go to hell, and (b) have zero chance of committing the fornication sin any time soon.
    But, back now.
    $811k at 3:00 and it is trending solidly.
    I now agree that he will bust $1 meg by teatime.
    If it gets a little bit of traction in the USA, the sky is the limit, with the added benefit that GFM will be on the nose big-time in the mid-West.

  60. Speech must be free. That is the foundation of all successful and peaceful democracies.

    Explain that to Yassmin Abdel-Magied who posted

    LEST.WE.FORGET. (Manus, Nauru, Syria, Palestine)

    and was attacked because she dared to offend the other great Australian religion – Anzackery.
    She wasn’t warning bad buggers about hellfire and damnation. She was reminding us that we continue to be responsible for banging people up in offshore Gulags. The first is apparently OK, the second not.
    I wonder if her religion had anything to do with it.
    Which is the most important freedom in this “successful and peaceful” democracy – speech or religion?
    Obviously, there is “correct” free speech, and “incorrect” free speech.
    Apparently there is also “correct” religion, and “incorrect” religion.
    Folau would have been eviscerated if he was standing up for I*lam.

  61. Farmer Gez

    You’re a poor sod Numbers.
    People do care about freedom of speech.
    I remember a local bloke who said at my Dad’s funeral that he disagreed with him on most issues but respected him because you knew exactly were you stood with him on any matter and that was honest.
    A mysterious type in your world.

    Those who hide their opinions and snivel dissent from safe corners are not for praising.

  62. notafan

    now foaming at the mouth like a rabid dog

    his mates monty and rae nowhere to be seen

  63. Armadillo

    They insist on perpetuating the present tense, that he is a highly paid sportsman.
    Nup.
    He is unemployed, earning $0.00 per annum thanks to the Leprechaun and the Vicar.

    So, I’m assuming that GFM demand copies of last 3 years financial statements for all the campaigns they approve then? I personally know of a family that launched a GFM campaign when their father recently passed away. The bloke owned a couple of houses outright and had a couple of hundred G sitting in his bank account. The kids weren’t exactly short of money themselves.

    The reason I know this is that the bloke who died was the SIL’s father. She and the brother were absolutely horrified when they found out what a couple of her siblings were up to. Needless to say, they are no longer on speaking terms with either of them.

    I guess the main point is this. If Folau is “too rich”, who gets to decide? And who gets to assess it?

    My only concern with Folau is that if he raises say $5 million, the court case costs him $3 million and he gets a $10 million payout plus costs. What happens to the money? I hope they have revealed that to the donors. And if it’s a “pro-rata” refund, then I hope the media are reporting that.

  64. Armadillo

    To clarify, the GFM campaign was to assist with funeral expenses.

  65. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I did have a quiet word to a couple of the Saints from that Church (they have at least four from there) as they seemed like very decent Saints, and not just about alcohol (this was once part of Russia you will note). My view is that it never hurts to recognize Saints. It is always good to think on their Saintly quod erat demonstrandum, regardless of the why and wherefore of it.

  66. None

    1735099

    #3053084, posted on June 25, 2019 at 3:03 pm

    This is why numbers is watching very very closely. He can’t stay away. He can probably tell you the exact number of donators when even the rest of us can’t. He’s not interested at all. 😂😂Your kids and grandkids avoiding you still numbers? If your potty mouth son thinks we’re all fuckwits here, I guess he thinks the same of you cos you’re still here too.

  67. Perth Trader

    My gut feeling is RA will be looking for a out . I cant see how they can prosecute a case against religious freedom and expression . And trying to deny religious text?…..good luck with that. Just my 2 cents worth.

  68. What do you think is my motivation?

    You’re a gormless skite who likes big-noting himself.
    But we already knew that….

  69. Tintarella di Luna

    $826,000

    Just wondering if anyone knows who regulates sites like Go Fund Me — I donate a fair whack of money, well a large amount for me anyway, and they helped themselved to an additional 10% tip — when I realised that I emailed them and said I wanted that money back because I had not consented to that amount — the tip was credited back to my credit card within 24 hours — now they say they will not give me back my donation for between 3-7 days how is this legal and does anyone know where I can raise this issue by way of complaint.

    Thank you

  70. notafan

    Would not matter if there were a million separate donations it would still be ‘God-botherers’ (what a nasty uncharitable expression from devout Catholic) and thus ‘confected outrage’

    Whereas the real confected outrage was from those who objected to Izzy quoting a verse from a letter from St Paul in the New Testament

    Still waiting for your exegesis of 1 Corithians 6 9-10

  71. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I hope that the ACL simply pays his legal fees, he wins the case with whatever payout he gets, he keeps that, and any leftovers from the site go into ACL funds to further the cause of Christians under threats in various parts of Christendom. I doubt that anyone wants their freely given money back, but no-one would want individuals to pocket a goodly sum once the cause has been fought and won. I am glad it is going through the ACL, although as I said, I’m not much of a believer. More of a trier than a success in those stakes.

    A cultural Christian, certainly.

  72. Eddystone

    the outrage is largely confected and irrelevant.

    Over $800,000 before the tea break on the first day?

    You’re a real card, numbers.

  73. Eddystone

    Still running at ~$1000 per minute. Confected!!

  74. Infidel Tiger

    My gut feeling is RA will be looking for a out . I cant see how they can prosecute a case against religious freedom and expression . And trying to deny religious text?…..good luck with that. Just my 2 cents worth.

    Rugby Australia are like the politicos and media types who think Twitter is reflective of society.

    They can only ever learn the hard way.

    Normals still rule.

  75. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    You’re a gormless skite who likes big-noting himself.
    But we already knew that….

    Does anyone else see the irony here?

  76. Tintarella di Luna

    What happens to the money? I hope they have revealed that to the donors. And if it’s a “pro-rata” refund, then I hope the media are reporting that.

    Folau said any excess will be donated to the grassroots clubs to develop rugby seeing as the Vicar of Rugby will be spending money on a court case rather than on developing the grassroots of rugby.

  77. None

    The front page of the Australian is all Izzy all the time. Archbishop of Sydney has come out to support Izzy and I am glad that they’re highlighting netball New Zealand piss off to the bullies. Maria has done nothing wrong. The way they’ve gone after his wife really weird if it’s me and I have fight off an email to ANZ while the New Zealand links telling them that f****** bullies in slightly more polite terms.

  78. None

    Oh that’s a Smart Move by Izzy Folau and one I think that he got from Alan Jones.

  79. Eddystone

    Folau said any excess will be donated to the grassroots clubs to develop rugby seeing as the Vicar of Rugby will be spending money on a court case rather than on developing the grassroots of rugby.

    Wham!!! Go Izzy!

  80. “They can only ever learn the hard way.”

    It’s time.

  81. Mark from Melbourne

    Did anyone else who donated get a call from ACL?

    I certainly did. They got my standard response to cold calling (i.e. f off).

    That aside, this feels a bit more Brexit than Trump., but it is surely a blow for freedom. Small, perhaps, but a blow nevertheless.

  82. Infidel Tiger

    Do you think Fitz ever thinks to himself? “I should probably stay out of this”

  83. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Facebook ruling sparks call for defamation law overhaul
    Dylan Voller says he has been defamed.

    Lilly Vitorovich
    Media Writer
    @lvitorovich
    12:00AM June 25, 2019
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    Media companies will be held ­legally responsible for posts by readers on Facebook under a landmark court ruling that has prompted calls for an urgent overhaul of defamation laws.

    NSW Supreme Court judge Stephen Rothman found that major media companies News Corp Australia and Nine Entertainment could be regarded as the publishers of Facebook comments made by users of the social media platform.

    The ruling came in the case of former Northern Territory youth detainee Dylan Voller against media outlets over comments made by readers on Facebook.

    Mr Voller, whose mistreatment in the Don Dale Youth Detentio­n Centre triggered a 2016 royal commission, is suing The Australian andThe Centralian Advocate, Sky News Australia’s The Bolt Report, and Nine’s The Sydney Morning Herald.

    The NSW Supreme Court lawsuit relates to comments made about Mr Voller by members of the public on 10 Facebook posts published in 2016 and 2017, which he alleges carry false and defamatory imputations.

    Justice Rothman noted it was not alleged that the companies were negligent in allowing the comments to remain on the public­ Facebook page, or reckless in failing to delete them once they were aware of material.

    News Corp Australia last night said the “ruling shows how far out of step Australia’s ­defamation laws are with other English-speaking democracies and highlights the urgent need for change’’.

    “It defies belief that media ­organisations are held responsible for comments made by other people on social media pages. It is ridiculous that the media company is held responsible while Facebook, which gives us no ability to turn off comments on its platform, bears no responsibility at all.”

    In finding the companies were the publishers­, the judge said the media outlets’ use of a public Facebook page was about their own commercial interests.

    The primary purpose was to ­“optimise readership of the newspaper (whether hard copy or digital) or broadcast and to optimise advertising revenue”, Justice Rothman said. He acknowledged it was the third-party user that placed the comment on the page. But he said the evidence showed that each company had the means effectively to delay the publication of the comments and to monitor whether any were defamatory, before releasing them.

    News Corp Australia was “carefully reviewing the judgment with a view to an appeal”, the spokeswoman said.

    A spokesman for The Sydney Morning Herald said it was considering its options as well as “the implications the ruling may have on the industry”.

    The case related to comments that included a claim that Mr Voller attacked a Salvation Army officer who visited him in detention, leaving the man blind in one eye, and also that he was a rOpist.

    Breaking, from the Oz.

  84. Armadillo

    Would not matter if there were a million separate donations it would still be ‘God-botherers’

    For this reason, I would have preferred to see either a combined or even separate fundraising effort with free speech advocates.

    You can see exactly where the media is going with this.

  85. None

    I’m just laughing now at that crazy little donor on the gofundme site who wS donating $5 every few minutes with all these crazy little names like “every time you do this n that media I’m donating”. Given gofundme charge a fee for every donation on top of a percentage of the donation amount on top of their platform tip which is deceptively extracted from punters they will have to refund this guy a couple of hundred $5 amounts and lose 200 times the fees haha

  86. cuckoo

    Notafan:

    He (Fr. Bob) got booted from the parish for a very good reason.

    Anything you could share on a public forum?

  87. None

    The only people engaged are the professional God-botherers and a few well heeled happy clappers.

    proof positive numbers is not a Christian, not a Catholic, and certainly not a Catholic in good standing, he’s just a bitter old dried up public servant. What did that potty mouth son of yours call the people here numbers? He called them fuckwits which for as long as you’re hanging around here, includes you.

  88. thefrollickingmole

    Armoureddildo is right, because its under the AC banner all the “right” people will claim it was Jesus junkies forced into donating by priests etc….

    But that doesnt matter, they hate anyway, what are they going to do, hate even more?

  89. Perth Trader

    Now , believe me,…I’m no saint and truth be know I’ve drunk more than I should have, fornicated and fibbed, had a bet and fiddle but these last two days has renewed my faith in my Aussie brethren . God works in Mysterious ways.

  90. notafan

    Controversial archbishop hits out at ‘new and ugly’ Australia over Folau campaign

    What would they without that controversial word?

  91. “Infidel Tiger
    #3053118, posted on June 25, 2019 at 3:28 pm
    Do you think Fitz ever thinks to himself? “I should probably stay out of this””

    You’re assuming the pretend pirate has a modicum of intelligence. He doesn’t. His rank stupidity combined with excessive hubris and hypocrisy makes him incapable of thinking like intelligent, normal and rational people.

    The fact that he is given any airtime is a sad indictment of this country.

  92. Tintarella di Luna

    Ray Hadley was sure he’d be sitting in Alan’s seat by 1 July, 2019 — didn’t happen now he oppose anything Alan Jones supports.

    Outspoken radio hosts Ray Hadley and Alan Jones have clashed in their views of Israel Folau, with Hadley insisting money donated to fund Folau’s legal battle would be better spent on helping sick kids.

    The two radio hosts from 2GB, who share back-to-back morning shows, have held opposing views of Folau’s fundraising efforts to raise $3 million to foot a legal suit against Rugby Australia for terminating his contract over religious comments he made about homosexuals.

    Jones this morning described Folau as a “good and gentle soul without a skerrick of hatred in his body” while Hadley has maintained the former Wallaby star’s comments on homosexuals were “ill informed”.

    “Israel’s comments would suggest he thinks it is some sort of lifestyle choice … it is not a choice Israel, homosexuals are not decision makers, it’s the way they are,” Hadley said on air last Monday.

    Alan Jones had an exclusive chat with Folau in his radio show on Friday morning in the Wallaby star’s first official interview since the termination of his $5 million contract.

    Jones encouraged his listeners to donate to the (now cancelled) GoFundMe page when it launched on Friday, while his colleague Hadley, urged listeners to think of the sick children who were in the literal “fight of their life” before they donated to Folau’s campaign.

    “I don’t want to impinge on anyone donating to Israel Folau because if you think you need to donate you go for your life,” Hadley said on air.

    “But there are quite a number of families that are really distressed. They’re are appealing for people to support their critically ill children,” he went on.

    When news that Rugby Australia was terminating Folau’s contract broke, Jones tore into the organisation on live radio, insisting RA would “fall on its sword” in the fallout.

    “They’ve destroyed his employment and internationally destroyed his name for quoting a passage from the bible for God’s sake,” he said on air in May.

    “He hasn’t slaughtered anyone, he hasn’t insulted anyone and he hasn’t even tried to push this stuff down anyone’s throat.

    One thing they both agreed on was their lack of confidence in the Rugby Union administration, with Jones writing in The Australian that RA had embarked on a “relentless, punitive, defamatory and utterly destructive attack” on Folau.

  93. None

    Mole I would have preferred a neutral site as well but all the other crowdfunding sites would have got the same s*** and it was imperative that they fight back quickly. Clearly there’s a bit of you scratch my back I’ll scratch yours going on and that’s fine it’s a freely made arrangement. ICO are certainly promoting it as freedom of religion which is what is he will be arguing and that will cover everyone including those who don’t have a professed religion.

  94. None

    Indeed not a fan controversial is code for unapproved.

  95. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I don’t think it will hurt if people think that many thousands of strongly defensive Christians still have a voice in Australian society which they are prepared to exercise, and so they can count me as one of those even though I am not.

    This civilization is founded on Judeo-Christian concepts, and it is good to have a show of strength reminding the young and the gullible about that. They might even read the Ten Commandments and think about the moral flaws that Israel’s bible quote indicated. Ho Mo sex may be trumped by nasties such as marital infidelity (busting families), thievery (corporate or minor, but still wrong), and drunkenness (have word with those Orthodox Saints about that).

  96. thefrollickingmole

    Nope, no agenda on their ABC, none at all…. I finally saw the sneaky little tune they chucked in on the kids ABC channel a while back.
    Id imagine this was on high rotation about .5 seconds after the garrage vote.

    118 Karingal St, live a mum and a dad and two kids under three
    And once a year their step sister fly’s out, from Mexico way on her school holidays

    At number 16 Warneet Rd, live a boy his two mums in their weatherboard home
    Every Sunday his dad comes on by and they talk over lunch and they show him around, caus’

    Family, family
    It’s all that you dream it to be

    At 213 Jumbunna St, lives a girl with two brothers and a huge lemon tree
    They live with their dad and he’s all they need, and their grandma helps out there whenever she’s free

    At number 9 Urunga Rd, lives a boy, his half sister and their mum alone
    Mum works the night shift and studies too, so mum’s sister sleeps over there in the spare room, caus’

    Family, family
    Well it’s all that you dream it

    Love is love, love is love
    It’s all that you dream it to be

    At 33 Killara Crt, there’s a poodle, a goldfish and a new baby girl
    Her dad stays home to look after her, and her mum holds her tight when she gets home from work

    At 51 Waratah Close, live a couple whose children have long since left home
    So they’ve welcomed in four foster kids, because their house is big and there’s more love to give

    Family, family
    It’s all that you dream it

    Love is love, love is love
    Love is love, love is love
    It’s all that you dream it to be

  97. C.L.

    Outspoken radio hosts Ray Hadley and Alan Jones have clashed in their views of Israel Folau, with Hadley insisting money donated to fund Folau’s legal battle would be better spent on helping sick kids.

    Like Ray’s son.

  98. None

    I wonder how many sick kids Ray Hadley has donated to recently? I’m under no obligation to support other people’s children even if I do through Medicare levy and the tax system and also voluntarily – f****** how we all supported numbers for his entire adult life and still do – but I would be insane if I didn’t protect my own freedom.

  99. rickw

    Still running at ~$1000 per minute. Confected!!

    I’m just wondering how badly GFM might have just stuffed their business model? There is a whole bunch of people who will never use them again. Also just proven, if you have a worthy cause, you don’t actually need their shitty platform with a loss of 5% into their pockets.

  100. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Outspoken radio hosts Ray Hadley and Alan Jones have clashed in their views of Israel Folau, with Hadley insisting money donated to fund Folau’s legal battle would be better spent on helping sick kids.

    but think of the children missing out because….

    Hadley is also a multi-millionaire, why doesnt he sell up a property or two and help sick kids. go f*k yourself

  101. stackja

    Tintarella di Luna
    #3053130, posted on June 25, 2019 at 3:39 pm

    RH cheered the Pell persecution. AJ was unhappy.
    I listen to AJ and not RH.

  102. notafan

    Nothing sinister cuckoo

    Too much social justice and not enough Christ I suspect Cuckoo

    Occupy would have been just another example

    eureka street…

  103. Tintarella di Luna

    What is happening is the pushback by thosethose who were duped into being kind and inclusive and being told by the former Prime Minister, that bent-eared fop, that SSM would not have any deleterious effect on the lives of Christians or people of other faiths

  104. feelthebern

    You’re a gormless skite who likes big-noting himself.
    But we already knew that….

    LOL.
    numbers will have to include himself in his doxing Cats research.

  105. None

    We still have a Christian majority in this country Lizzie. And a fair whack of the non-religion types would be culturally Christian. All this bleating about compassion the artiaga. That’s the judeo-christian tradition.

  106. feelthebern

    I didn’t know St Bob was moved on from a Victorian parish.
    Please do tell more.

  107. Mother Lode

    Folau said any excess will be donated to the grassroots clubs to develop rugby seeing as the Vicar of Rugby will be spending money on a court case rather than on developing the grassroots of rugby.

    Really?

    I like that.

    It is about the game, not him.

  108. Mother Lode

    What would they without that controversial word?

    They will always have ‘divisive’.

  109. “by the former Prime Minister, that bent-eared fop”

    Tinta….how accurate….but you know “love is love”.

  110. Leigh Lowe

    Do you think Fitz ever thinks to himself? “I should probably stay out of this”

    Nup.
    Never.

  111. None

    You can always repeal same sex marriage. If you take on the definition of marriage which is what our political class did with ssm then you can change it at will from now on. As I have said before , marriage preceded the state and marriage transcends the state and all the state has done up until recently was support the institution of marriage. With the passing of ssm the state no longer recognises or supports marriage. Instead the state has taken upon itself to create a public service approved love contract and only recognise that. It now defines the relationships which it will recognise. So it has politicised and therefore taken ownership of people’s most intimate relationship and if they have politicized it that means it can be changed at any time by Cher political will. So it’s perfectly reasonable to advocate for repealing ssm or else changing the definition to include children and Beasts. The possibilities are endless. This is why I would be perfectly happy to divorce now and just keep an ecclesiastical marriage. The last thing I want is a government defined and public service approved love contract. LOL.

  112. notafan

    I didn’t know St Bob was moved on from a Victorian parish.
    Please do tell more.

    The Archbishop after giving him a two year extension insisted he retire (supposed to retire at 75)

    Like I said the reasons were never spelled out and Bob did a lot of huffing and puffing.

    It is presented as a power versus the poor story

    I don’t know any details

    like I said nothing sinister.

  113. None

    That is a really Sinister video on ABC Kids. Really sinister.

  114. Boambee John

    The only people engaged are the professional God-botherers

    Do members of the Plenary Council fit that description?

  115. pete m

    someone on twitter should ask saintly father bob why he had to move parish – also #auspol it.

  116. thefrollickingmole

    Hadley insisting money donated to fund Folau’s legal battle would be better spent on helping sick kids.

    Pedophrast.

    Definition: Argument involving children to prop up a rationalization and make the opponent look like an asshole, as people are defenseless and suspend all skepticism in front of suffering children: nobody has the heart to question the authenticity or source of the reporting. Often done with the aid of pictures.

  117. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Top Google review of Mascot Towers:

    ★☆☆☆☆
    This building reminds me of my ex. At first the earth moved. But soon I realised my beloved was very unstable. Kept threatening to break up. In the end I was forced to leave.

  118. Infidel Tiger

    Hadley insisting money donated to fund Folau’s legal battle would be better spent on helping sick kids.

    Same as his salary.

  119. Leigh Lowe

    Folau said any excess will be donated to the grassroots clubs to develop rugby seeing as the Vicar of Rugby will be spending money on a court case rather than on developing the grassroots of rugby.

    Did he really say that?
    I thought he would be smart to suggest something like that at mediation (I was thinking indigenous and islander Rugger scholarships).
    To tip his hand now though will just set off howls of “just hand the money over now”, complete with interviews with a gay aboriginal junior from Walgett with one short leg … or something.

  120. None

    Yes Zippy wouldn’t we like to have all these media luvvies personal property portfolios and financial interests listed? F****** hypocrites.

  121. thefrollickingmole

    None

    Lucky they didnt move onto beagles and the love that dare not neigh its name.

    It struck me as creepy when i first saw it, but I didnt catch the name of the wimmins singing it.

  122. Sponsor puts heat on Maria
    Netball NZ clears Maria Folau of breaching the team’s policies, as ANZ express their concerns to the organisation.

    Wonder how ANZ would feel about a “run” on their bank????? Imagine….. ANZ customers queue up to take out their savings……….

  123. None

    I wish there were were a run on the ANZ bank. I actually set them a message via their sponsorship length and told them in no uncertain terms with they were bullies.

  124. Top Ender

    Suburbs send a signal to corporate elites
    By JEREMY SAMMUT

    The quiet Australians’ rejection of Labor’s “progressive” agenda has exposed the cultural divide between inner-city elites and ordinary people in the outer suburbs and regions who hold more traditional views.

    What the election result also should do is burst the insider bubble surrounding so-called corporate social responsibility, which is leading companies to support progressive social causes publicly.

    Many corporate elites — like many members of the political class — tend to live, work and socialise with like-minded elites and do not question self-reinforcing progressive agendas. However, issues that may be uncontroversial in Sydney’s Point Piper are not uncritically accepted in places such as Penrith and Picton.

    This is why the increasing amount of virtue signalling being undertaken by companies is not only bad for business; as the Israel Folau case shows, it is also bad for the future of Australia as a civil society in which people with different views can work and play together. Unfortunately, there are few post-election signs Australian business is reconsidering the political meddling by major companies in social issues that have little, if any, connection to shareholders’ interests.

    Instead, in recent weeks a slew of major companies has declared support for constitutional recognition of indigenous Australians. This renewed bout of corporate politicking was evidently pre-planned in anticipation of a Labor Party victory, which had pledged to fast-track a constitutional referendum on an indigenous voice to parliament.

    The election result has not only exposed the political tin ear of the corporate sector. It also has exposed the contradiction at the heart of the CSR push being enthusiastically embraced at the highest levels of business.

    The standard argument for CSR is that showing companies care about more than profit, and that they support the interests of broader groups of stakeholders in the community, is good for brands and reputations.

    However — as last month’s federal election result should clearly indicate — in reality, corporate involvement in divisive social issues on which there is no community consensus can have negative brand consequences.

    Companies — Qantas being the obvious example — risk acquiring reputations for “being political” and alienating the millions of Australians who don’t share so-called progressive views and values. The problem is that CSR has become an “industry” inside Australian business, with a vested interest in pushing companies to do more and more CSR.

    The army of CSR managers and consultants employed in HR, “people and culture” and corporate affairs divisions has an activist mindset and is intent on transforming companies into political players campaigning for “systemic change” such as constitutional recognition.

    The “industry” wants to make CSR a way for corporate elites to fundamentally politicise the role of companies by playing politics with shareholders’ money.

    The way CSR politicking can damage company brands and be bad for business should encourage corporate leaders to take a more hard-headed approach.

    The difficulty, however, is that those inside the corporate world who are not on board with progressive agendas can face professional repercussions that jeopardise career advancement.

    This suggests that effectively countering the influence of the CSR industry that is institutionalised and gaining momentum across business may require changes to ground rules and frameworks used to govern how CSR decisions are made.

    So now, in the wake of the election, might be an opportune time to push back against the CSR push by introducing a new principle — called the community pluralism principle — into the management of companies.

    This would overtly counter the current approach to “social responsibility” by holding directors and chief executives accountable for making sure CSR activities don’t stray into meddling in contentious political issues and instead ensure that companies properly respect the pluralism — the different views and values — of the Australian community.

    If this pluralism principle were inserted into company constitutions at the initiative of a new kind of anti-activism by a silent majority of shareholders fed up with the diversion of company resources into political activism, this would allow the quiet Australians to send a powerful, bubble-busting message about ending corporate political meddling.

    Alerting corporate elites about the need to keep companies out of political issues also would be a positive development given the bigger issue at stake: the hyper-politicisation of society. This is the belief that all individuals and organisations — including companies — need to take a political stand by supporting progressive causes.

    The implications for Australia’s future as a civil society have been spotlighted by Rugby Australia’s sacking of Folau for expressing his Christian faith in a way deemed to have violated a “diversity and inclusion” CSR agenda.

    In a democratic country that respects the fundamental freedoms of all, companies — like sporting codes — should be places where citizens can overcome our political and other differences, and join together for good and truly inclusive purposes, be it playing games or producing wealth-generating goods and services.

    The choice facing business is whether it divisively contributes to further fostering the hyper-politicisation of society in the name of CSR, and establishing (as Folau’s sacking demonstrates) de facto political tests of employment dressed up as a commitment to so-called diversity.

    The alternative path — which is where the community pluralism principle leads — is for companies to remain part of a genuinely civil society. This means they must be sincerely inclusive by respecting the only kind of diversity that ultimately matters in a democracy: the diversity of political and religious opinion that is the foundation of a free society.

    Jeremy Sammut is a senior research fellow at the Centre for Independent Studies. His book Corporate Virtue Signalling: How to Stop Big Business from Meddling in Politics (Connor Court) was published this week.

    Oz link with comments going through the roof

  125. None

    I mean can you imagine how fuckwitted ANZ is? Netball is played by women ranging from young women to elderly women ok there are a few male netball teams but it’s a woman sport. Imagine telling a an U9 team that theor hero Maria Folau as she does a lot of school clinics here and the kids all of her) imagine telling them that she’s been booted been booted because her husband doesn’t believe men shoving their dicks up other people’s arses.

  126. feelthebern

    Simon Birmingham is an example of everything wrong with the LNP.
    He will be ScoMo’s Pyne.

  127. Notafan:

    Anyone who buys into new housing, any sort of high destinity, even townhouses, especially if the workers are short term visas holders should be very buyer bewaring

    I’ve got a couple of rellies/friends in Brisbane, one who does labouring, the other a sparky, who just cannot get full time work. When they get a short term contract they are basically cleaning up after imported wukkas or signing off on work they haven’t really seen.
    Some of the stories of dodgy concrete/reo too small for the job/materiel from OS that doesn’t meet the standard, even though it has the certification.
    I was hoping to move a little closer to Brisbane in the next year, but stuffed if I’ll be buying a new place.

  128. Feelthebern:

    I view that as a clumsy threat to dox Cats.

    It’s not the first time he’s made a similar threat. When the shooting at the Mosque took place he mentioned that there were 2 – 3 Brevik types on the Cat.
    I challenged him to name them but he shut up.
    I think he’s looking for an excuse to dob the place in and get some revenge for our refusal to go along with his V*****m tale of woe.

  129. I read the poster that Izzy put up, and have worked out how the government can confiscate all his loot.

    Those that are living in Sin will end up in Hell unless you repent. Jesus Christ loves you and is giving you time to turn away from your sin and come to him.

    Fortune Telling without a Licence.
    He’s gooorrnne!

  130. Oh come on

    Oh great John Bolton’s speaking. Hurry up and get to the Russian!

  131. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Anita Cobby’s killer Gary Murphy bashed in prison shower block
    Mark Morri and Nick Hansen, Exclusive, The Daily Telegraph
    25 minutes ago
    Subscriber only

    One of the notorious Murphy brothers jailed for the horrific 1986 murder of nurse Anita Cobby is fighting for life in hospital after being bashed in a Sydney jail.

    Gary Murphy is believed to have been in the shower block at Long Bay jail when he was attacked earlier today.

    With severe head injuries, prison authorities contemplated airlifting Murphy to hospital, before deciding to transfer him by road to St Vincent’s Hospital in Darlinghurst.

    Corrective Services NSW said “a number of possible assailants” had been identified at Long Bay.

    “A 61-year-old inmate from Long Bay Correctional Complex has been transferred to hospital after he was allegedly assaulted around 10.20am today,” the statement said.

    “The incident occurred in 10 wing of area 1 at the Metropolitan Special Programs Centre. A number of possible assailants have been identified.

    “Corrective Services NSW is assisting NSW Police with their investigations.”

    Sorry ’bout that. This is the hero who pi$$ed himself when he was arrested for his part in that particular atrocity.

  132. Oh come on

    Hadley insisting money donated to fund Folau’s legal battle would be better spent on helping sick kids.

    What a dumb thing to say. Most people probably believe that most things I spend my money on would be better spent on helping sick kids.

  133. None

    Comment is on the instapundit post about Izzy Folau have said that after they donated using go fund me for other causes they got emails from them touting campaigns to fund abortions. It’s probably a really good thing that Izzy was booted from that platform.

  134. Oh come on

    The Russian’s on but no translation. Damn.

  135. cohenite

    Izzy will crack a mill before the boardroom cucks order their first mineral water after work today.

  136. TFM:

    Pedophrast.
    Definition: Argument involving children to prop up a rationalization and make the opponent look like an asshole, as people are defenseless and suspend all skepticism in front of suffering children: nobody has the heart to question the authenticity or source of the reporting. Often done with the aid of pictures.

    I was just thinking that!
    The Left roll it out every time their argument is as weak as piss and they know it.

  137. feelthebern

    The Project starts at 6:30pm.
    What will the total be when it kicks off?
    How sour will their faces be?
    No doubt they will questions the validity of the number raised on the ACL website.

  138. Mark from Melbourne

    Just topped $900k.

  139. Normals still rule.

    “Normal is a societal construct that is created by us. There is no consistency across civilizations. What is normal to one person is not to another. It once was normal to own slaves and be prejudiced against people of color like you and others. It was once normal to make women wear dresses and cover themselves. And long before that it was normal to cut off someone’s hand for stealing instead of putting them in jail. Eventually, all societal constructs fall to new ideas. Normal is one of them. (Varick Jaeger to Kieran Sung)”
    ― Beverly L. Anderson, Stolen Innocence

  140. None

    Media walking back quite a few bits. I wonder if the Folau camp has issued a few warnings. The Australian is even going after Drew Mitchell who probably instigated more donations on the old fundraising site then even Alan Joyce.

  141. cohenite

    No surprise, Theresa May’s new ‘Brexit advisory group’ is packed with remainers like pro-EU mouthpiece Mike Thompson of the ABPI, the Remain-backing club for ‘Big Pharma’ corporates.
    Thompson and the ABPI created some of the worst Project Fear headlines of the last two years.

    May is the hag who will not leave. What a disaster she has been.

  142. stackja

    Now

    $902,017.01 raised

    Love the 1 cent!

  143. feelthebern

    There will be no BREXIT.
    Only BREMAIN.

  144. None

    Drew Mitchell is yet to air his frustrations about homelessness, youth suicide, domestic violence etc etc writes Will Swanton in a little snippet I can see on my feed. Yeah but if you want to shove your dick up another man’s shithole, Drew Mitchell is so there.

  145. Johno

    Sniffy,
    You are, without doubt, the most childish adult I have ever encountered

  146. Infidel Tiger

    Drew Mitchell got 50,000 retweets.

    Izzy so far has $900k.

    “But but but I was trending on twitter???”

  147. None

    Holy cash. They’re going to hit the 1 million by prime time news. That’s less than 24 hours. Well done Aussies.

  148. I view that as a clumsy threat to dox Cats.

    Paranoia is one of the behaviours identified by Schultz, except he labelled it “fear of threat and loss”,

  149. Infidel Tiger

    Every day of this sorry saga, I admire Folau more and more for trying to lead a deep-and-meaningful existence that goes beyond himself. Mistakes? He’s tweeted a few. But I see a degree of honour in what he is trying to do. And I’ve come to regard the keyboard warriors, exemplified by the former Wallaby Mitchell, as cheap shot merchants who contribute nothing constructive to the debate by joining a social media pile-on that has no repercussions and serves absolutely no purpose. Rather than contacting Folau directly with a man-to-man text or phone call, Mitchell has earned himself a whole lot of Twitter likes — very important, of course — by doing the easiest thing on Earth. By ripping into Folau in 280 characters or less. Hell hath no fury like a Twitterati falling over themselves in the rush to like and retweet anything that spits at Folau and his family. When you target Folau, you know the angry mob are going to support you. And you know that Folau will let it slide, respectful of the fact you used to be teammates. Who’s showing the most strength and dignity there?

    – Will Swanton

  150. cohenite

    Normal. As a % gays vary from 1-3% of any society. This is why gays want to suborn social standards and descriptors so they can be included in a functioning definition of normal. It’s also why they try to turn kids via their safe school and similar programs’ to increase their number. Given their history of persecution this is understandable but what is perverse is today, when gays have community acceptance, that they continue to push the envelope and risk a very real backlash.

  151. Johno

    Frozen Carburator

    People frequently complain about the police, but you rarely hear about the positive things they do, such as this incident involving a biker and a frozen carburator.

    Last January on a bitterly cold winter’s day, a North Dakota State Trooper on patrol came upon a motorcyclist who was stalled by the roadside.

    The biker was swathed in heavy protective clothing and wearing a full-face helmet to protect the face from the cold weather.

    “What’s the matter?” asked the Trooper.

    “Carburator’s frozen,” was the terse reply.

    “Pee on it. That’ll thaw it out.”

    “I can’t,” said the biker.

    “OK, watch me closely and I’ll show you.”

    The Trooper unzipped and promptly warmed the carburator as promised.

    Moments later the bike started and the rider drove off, waving.

    A few days later, the local State Troopers’ office received a note of thanks from the father of the motorcyclist.

    It began:

    “On behalf of my daughter Janice . . . “

  152. stackja

    Ashton in the dock?

    Lawyer X commission warns Victoria Police it could be charged for failing to disclose 1000 documents
    James Dowling, Herald Sun
    June 25, 2019 2:54pm
    Subscriber only

    Victoria Police has been warned it could be charged with an offence after failing to disclose documents relevant to the Lawyer X royal commission.

    Royal Commissioner Margaret McMurdo said it was most “unsatisfactory” police had only now revealed they had discovered 1000 documents relevant to today’s witness, despite being issued a notice to produce them by January.

    Ms McMurdo, who previously expressed her frustration with delays in police providing documents, told the force’s legal team it can be charged for not complying with the notice.

    “Can I suggest that you — and those instructing you — remind your clients of this notice to produce?,” Ms McMurdo told Victoria Police’s barrister Justin Hannebery QC.

    “And their obligations under it, which are ongoing, that it is an offence not to comply with it and that an agency of the crown can, under the inquiries act, be charged with the commission of an offence.”

    It is an offence punishable by up to two years’ prison for failing to comply with a production to produce documents to an inquiry.

    The Royal Commission said if a charge was issued it would be laid against Victoria Police but served on the chief commissioner’s office.

  153. cohenite

    None

    #3053226, posted on June 25, 2019 at 4:45 pm

    WTF, I wasn’t talking about J.ws!

  154. notafan

    Yes the twitterati are tweeting madly but they have also been given the opportunity to donate to various causes to show they unsupport Israel Folau

    Needless to say the support of various anti Folau causes has been unbreathtaking

    $135, $55, $175

    gofundme

  155. Roger

    Hadley insisting money donated to fund Folau’s legal battle would be better spent on helping sick kids.

    While it was on GFM sick kids might have picked up donations from Izzy supporters.

  156. feelthebern

    Malcolm X was on the money.
    Angry angry man.
    But on the money.

  157. Mother Lode

    with Hadley insisting money donated to fund Folau’s legal battle would be better spent on helping sick kids.

    What an absolute lightweight. Does he not even hear how cliched his call to compassion is?

    He hasn’t been begging for donations for sick kids before, nor from anyone else. But as soon as people are reaching into their pockets for Izzy now he must plead for the kiddies. Those two omissions add context to his newfound passion makes it pretty obvious that he is actually simply begging people to abandon Folau to his fate at the hands of people have run the game into the ground.

    And the sick kiddies? Ignoring for the moment that we already pay massive amounts in tax for such causes but the money is squandered on ballooning bureaucracy and social justice causes, he is saying we have no business giving money for things we think matter as long as there is a single sick kid. Like saying police should not pursue robbers or thugs while a single murder is unsolved.

    I don’t know how he could eat more than bread or drink more than water, or even keep any of his salary above $60k, while a single helpless little urchin is bundled up in a hospital bed far from home.

    Man! Has he lost it or what?

  158. Roberto

    None

    Holy cash. They’re going to hit the 1 million by prime time news. That’s less than 24 hours. Well done Aussies.

    I can’t see that being highlighted on prime time news.

  159. feelthebern

    Understand now.
    You can’t post links from youtube that you’ve got in your watch later list.
    Needs to be a fresh link.

  160. Speedbox

    The only reason we are at this point is because Folau referred to homosexuals (euphemistically known as ‘gays’) in his post. Every other category, such as the liars, fornicators, adulterers etc let it pass without so much as blinking. However, as homosexuals are considered a protected species by the Left and in particular, because the CEO of Qantas (RA sponsor) is openly homosexual, the boom dropped.

    Speaking of Qantas, I have no doubt that Joyce considered the Folau post a personal affront. He would have been on the phone within minutes. Sponsorship of $4m a year buys a lot of access.

    Following an ‘independent tribunal’ finding that Folau had breached his contract, RA terminated. (who seriously thought the tribunal would find anything else?).

    Now, this saga has become a rallying call for free speech and specifically, freedom of religious expression. In just a few hours, donations for the legal fight have flooded in and will storm through $1m within the next hour or so.

    Of course, just to make the whole episode more divisive and harden the battle lines, gofundme allowed, then disallowed, Folau’s supporters to utilise their site. The media have all reinforced their colours and even Morrison made a cloth-eared statement (when he should have stayed well away from it).

    Now, the ANZ look like they want a piece of the action.

    FFS corporates, stay away from this!! It is nuclear waste level toxic. Run silent, run deep.

    Separately, I can’t help but wonder ‘who’ are the advisors to some of the CEO’s and Board’s around town. Are you sure they don’t secretly work for your commercial opponents?

  161. I’m curious about the whole rugby funding thing.
    They got $28 million courtesy of the mug taxpayer over the last couple of years. So why are they behaving as if they are unaccountable to anyone?
    Perhaps Morrison needs to step in and appoint a couple of accountants to run this shit.

  162. areff

    You can always repeal same sex marriage.

    No, repeal ALL state-regulation of marriage, other than recording contracts. Stand before God and plight your troth if that’s what suits, never bow before the state.

  163. Leigh Lowe

    pete m
    #3053159, posted on June 25, 2019 at 3:58 pm
    someone on twitter should ask saintly father bob why he had to move parish – also #auspol it.

    Running a witchcraft marriage ceremony in a Catholic Church would have seen you burned at the stake in previous times.

    He made the claims of “hijacking” after he was sprung.
    He thought he was being alternative and cool and out there, but it was basically heresy which could have seen him cast out on the streets.

    The Catholic Church has been extremely tolerant of the silly old prick.

  164. Ubique

    Wow! Cracked the $million already – $1,031,483.69

  165. Graham

    It’s over $1 million now.

  166. Roger

    Speaking of Qantas, I have no doubt that Joyce considered the Folau post a personal affront.

    His “shame on you” response to Folau suggests it indeed touched a nerve.

    I don’t imagine it was easy growing up homosexual in a working class Dublin family, but his part in escalating this indicates some introspection might be well advised.

  167. Johno:

    Sniffy,
    You are, without doubt, the most childish adult I have ever encountered

    I have to correct you there Johno – a child is innocent.
    This festering heap of blood streaked pus is quite well aware of what he’s doing.

  168. stackja

    Woman accused of bashing pregnant woman sent to mental health facility

    A woman charged with bashing a pregnant woman walking down the street in an unprovoked attack has been ordered to be taken to a mental health facility at a hospital for at least six months.
    Sarah Crawford, The Daily Telegraph
    Subscriber only

    an hour ago

    A woman charged with bashing a pregnant woman walking down the street in an unprovoked attack has been ordered to be taken to a mental health facility at a hospital for at least six months.

    Magistrate Margaret Quinn ordered Olivier Mahe, 28, who suffers from schizophrenia be taken to Cumberland Hospital from Silverwater jail where she has been held since allegedly attacking the seven-months pregnant woman at Surry Hills on May 28.

    Another ‘success’ for the Richmond Report.

  169. stackja

    The critics of Israel don’t get the meaning of a bigot:
    a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.

  170. Howard Hill

    Izzy so far has $900k in less than a day.

    The left are sofa king dumb. Shutting down his right to speak “twice” has only afforded him greater exposure. This is becoming biblical. I hope he wipes the floor with all of them and I would love to see some further backlash re, all the filth that have contributed to his slandering.
    I’ve already added a huge number of companies and people to my list of those who are dead to me now, as they say. I will be discrediting them all at every opportunity.

    We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in the media, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our rights, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender!

  171. Johno:

    It began:

    “On behalf of my daughter Janice . . . “

    That gave me a really good LOL.
    Excellent stuff.

  172. stackja

    Eddystone
    #3053249, posted on June 25, 2019 at 5:03 pm
    $1,036,417.69 raised

    Now

    $1,046,038.69 raised

  173. feelthebern

    ScoMo really read this one wrong.
    Surprise surprise.

  174. zyconoclast

    ‘Germany has a terrorism problem,’ foreign minister says

    Germany should have a weekly protest against right-wing extremism similar to “Fridays for Future,” Foreign Minister Heiko Maas has said. He claimed that far too often, Germans turn a blind eye to right-wing terrorism.

  175. stackja

    zyconoclast
    #3053262, posted on June 25, 2019 at 5:10 pm
    Google exec in Project Veritas sting says only big tech can stop ‘the next Trump situation’

    I am shocked!

  176. Speedbox

    Well over $1000 per minute.

  177. zyconoclast

    Researchers at the Georgetown University Center on Education and the Workforce found that if applicants were admitted to America’s top 200 colleges based on their SAT scores alone, more than half of the enrolled students would have to give up their spot.

    The study, titled “SAT-Only Admission: How Would It Change College Campuses?” also found:

    The share of White students would rise from 66% to 75%
    The combined share of Black and Latino students would decrease from 19% to 11% and the share of Asian students would fall slightly, from 11% to 10%
    Test-only admissions would raise the median SAT score from 1250 to 1320

  178. Leigh Lowe

    I think this ‘mazing.
    3:30 am $20k
    6:00 am $24k
    7:00 am $70k … ($46 k raised in the previous hour)
    8:00 am $167k … ($97 k raised in the previous hour)
    9:00 am $286k … ($119k raised in the previous hour)
    10:00 am $413k … ($127 k raised in the previous hour)
    11:00 am $507 k … ($94 k raised in the previous hour)
    12:00 midday $576 k … ($69 k raised in the previous hour)
    1:00 pm $654 k … ($78k raised in the previous hour)
    2:00 pm $750 k … ($96 k raised in the previous hour)
    3:00 pm $812 k … ($62 k raised in the previous hour)
    4:00 pm $867 k … ($55k raised in the previous hour)
    5:00 pm $1.031m … ($164 k raised in the previous hour)
    .

    I wonder if the ACL chipped their $100k in during the last hour.

  179. zyconoclast

    UK Outlaws Gender Stereotypes In Advertisements

    Featuring advertisements with gender stereotypes to sell products is outlawed in the United Kingdom as of last week.

    “Our evidence shows how harmful gender stereotypes in ads can contribute to inequality in society, with costs for all of us, ” said Guy Parker, chief executive of the UK’s Advertising Standards Authority (ASA). “Put simply, we found that some portrayals in ads can, over time, play a part in limiting people’s potential. It’s in the interests of women and men, our economy and society that advertisers steer clear of these outdated portrayals, and we’re pleased with how the industry has already begun to respond.”

  180. Some History

    Folau funding on Ch 10 news. Shock. It was a balanced, albeit quick, report. No pirates to be seen.

  181. Leigh Lowe

    I think we are now seeing the effect of people getting home from work on the East Coast and logging on to donate.

  182. stackja

    Now

    $1,050,028.69 raised

  183. stackja

    Anita Cobby’s killer Gary Murphy bashed in prison shower block
    Mark Morri and Nick Hansen, Exclusive, The Daily Telegraph
    35 minutes ago
    Subscriber only

    One of the notorious Murphy brothers jailed for the horrific 1986 r-pe and murder of nurse Anita Cobby is fighting for life in hospital after being bashed in a Sydney jail.

    Gary Murphy is believed to have been in the shower block at Long Bay jail when he was attacked earlier today.

  184. Leigh Lowe

    Some History
    #3053271, posted on June 25, 2019 at 5:14 pm
    Folau funding on Ch 10 news. Shock. It was a balanced, albeit quick, report. No pirates to be seen.

    The morning guy on Sky (Connell?) and the sports guy – both appear to be gay – having a total stacks on yesterday about “inappropriate”.
    Very matter-of-fact and subdued today.
    Almost like they were just reporting the news for a change.

  185. Leigh Lowe

    Anita Cobby’s killer Gary Murphy bashed in prison shower block
    Mark Morri and Nick Hansen, Exclusive, The Daily Telegraph
    35 minutes ago
    Subscriber only
    One of the notorious Murphy brothers jailed for the horrific 1986 r-pe and murder of nurse Anita Cobby is fighting for life in hospital after being bashed in a Sydney jail.
    Gary Murphy is believed to have been in the shower block at Long Bay jail when he was attacked earlier today.

    GoFundMe campaign to fund Charlie Teo to reassemble his head?

  186. Johno

    OK Winston,” The most immature adult I have ever encountered”. I take your point.

    I always have a vision of a giggling little septuagenarian surrounded by half read, proudly lefty books, madly thrashing at the keyboard,playing to an imaginary adoring audience.He really is a sad old duffer.

  187. Perfidious Albino

    Might be time for Alan Joyce to consider standing down, he’s had a good run and I think commercially has done a good job, but he might have overreached on the politics this time…

  188. Leigh Lowe

    So, let me get this straight.
    Ray Hadlee (father of a copper who was dealing coke) and a bank FFS, are lecturing us about morality.

  189. I know little about rugby, but, my neighbour reckons “a scrum is no place for a po**ta”.

  190. Infidel Tiger

    Holy cow!

    Folauing going nuts

  191. Leigh Lowe

    Rugby Australia HQ …
    No, that wasn’t a crisis meeting.
    This is a crisis meeting.
    .
    They really enjoyed their high level “crisis meetings” which were just a pretence of weighty consideration being given to Folau, when they die was cast.

    The Vicar will have to do the honourable thing and fuck right off.

  192. JohnJJJ

    The woke just do not understand belief.

  193. Leigh Lowe

    Holy cow!
    Folauing going nuts

    The appeal?
    Or the SJW opposition?

  194. dover_beach

    No, repeal ALL state-regulation of marriage, other than recording contracts. Stand before God and plight your troth if that’s what suits, never bow before the state.

    The state doesn’t regulate marriage. The state has a definition of marriage if only to identify the marital relationship and to distinguish it from other types of relationships for civil purposes. And the definition it uses should simply accord with what marriage is at its most basic level, which is a union between the opposite sexes, permanent, exclusive, and guaranteed by contract.

  195. Infidel Tiger

    Julie Bishop really needs to stop with all the filelrs and botox.

    Firstly she is starting to look freakishly bloated and weird.

    Secondly it has poisoned her brain.

  196. Roger

    A spokesman for ANZ, which sponsors both the Silver Ferns and New Zealand’s netball league, told stuff.co.nz that the bank does not support “the views of Silver Fern Maria Folau”.

    Since when can a bank have an official position on anything other than whether to pass on interest rate cuts/hikes?

  197. Julie Bishop really needs to stop with all the filelrs and botox.

    Who is Julie Bishop?
    And who cares?

  198. P

    Gillian Triggs said on ABC 24hrNews this afternoon in regard to Folau “that this has gone too far”.

    It’s good even though I was shocked to hear her say it.

  199. And the moral of this story….ESCALATE….ALWAYS ESCALATE….never ever give in the howling, raging, frenzied leftist mobs.

  200. Rafe Champion

    Repeating what I said on another thread.
    As to the size of the collection, there is still the refunds to come from GFM that in most cases will be multiplied by an aggravation factor from 2 to 5 on the evidence so far.
    The ripples are still spreading, thanks to the MSM so there are a still a lot of people yet to realise what is happening.
    There is likely to be some discussion among congregations on Sunday.
    We have yet to see money from overseas where I guarantee there are punters who will come to the party in numbers if there is any need.

    Spoke to my barista about this, picking a time when nobody was nearby, this is in Mosman, hardcore doctor’s wives country, he can’t afford to say the wrong thing and his profit margin has shrunk dramatically due to electricity charges.

    He is very up to date with events and he spoke to some lawyers about this over the weekend, probably at the gym, they all told him that this is a contract issue and nothing more. I didn’t push it but said I was backing Izzie because I think there is more to it and time will tell

  201. Roger

    Gillian Triggs said on ABC 24hrNews this afternoon in regard to Folau “that this has gone too far”.

    Context and a fuller report please, P..

    It could be that she’s afraid it will go to the High Court and they will rule in Folau’s favour, thus setting definite limits the corporate bullies cannot cross.

  202. Johno:

    I always have a vision of a giggling little septuagenarian surrounded by half read, proudly lefty books, madly thrashing at the keyboard,playing to an imaginary adoring audience.He really is a sad old duffer.

    Like this?
    You get to pick which one is numbers.

  203. Leigh Lowe

    To be fair, Squalid Wally called this last night on the Perject.

    He said that another avenue would open up, and the GFM shut-down was counter-productive.

    (Note the incredulous “SHOULDN’T” in the headline).

  204. Bruce of Newcastle

    Oops, with the Folau appeal skyrocketing I completely forgot about SpaceX’s launch at lunchtime:

    SpaceX launches hefty rocket with 24 satellites, human ashes

    SpaceX has launched its heftiest rocket with 24 research satellites.

    Both side boosters landed back at Cape Canaveral several minutes after liftoff, just as they did after launching in April. But the new core booster missed an ocean platform.

    Maybe they can take the ashes of Rugby Australia next launch.

  205. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I always have a vision of a giggling little septuagenarian surrounded by half read, proudly lefty books, madly thrashing at the keyboard,playing to an imaginary adoring audience.He really is a sad old duffer.

    No more bets, please – we have a winner.

  206. None

    The Daily Telegraph still shitting on Israel Folau on its front page. One article with the sanctimonious we’re going to do better than that greedy bastard and another one now blaming easy for his wife’s career with the implied threat that it’s about to end. They think a few half baked half laughs at Tim Blair blog will override their malice. Nope.
    Happy not to be paying a single penny to those fuckwits.

  207. Incoherent Rambler:

    Julie Bishop really needs to stop with all the filelrs and botox.

    Who is Julie Bishop?
    And who cares?

    The bloke who is giving her her horizontal jollies called in the building inspectors when he found spakfilla in his bed – he thought the ceiling was going to cave in.
    Wasn’t he surprised, telling this to the Bishop that evening, and realising just how badly he was putting his foot in it!

  208. feelthebern

    Keep in mind, legislation would supersede any court ruling.
    This is why there might be pressure on RA to settle this.
    The last thing the political class wants to do is legislate religious freedom.
    If there was legal precedent, the political class would step in quick smart to water it down.

  209. None

    Cassie of Sydney

    #3053295, posted on June 25, 2019 at 5:30 pm

    And the moral of this story….ESCALATE….ALWAYS ESCALATE….never ever give in the howling, raging, frenzied leftist mobs.

    HELL YES.

  210. Leigh Lowe

    It could be that she’s afraid it will go to the High Court and they will rule in Folau’s favour, thus setting definite limits the corporate bullies cannot cross.

    Actually, Roger, they are shitting themselves because there are two bad outcomes here:-

    1. Folau wins which puts a crimp in any HR Nazi putting the boots into Christians on the flimisiest pretext; or

    2. Folau loses, which means that any employer can then flick a Moosley for suggesting that infidels have radical ENT surgery with a scimitar.

    Sure, the SJWs will try to weasel around it case-by-case, but a High Court legal precedent makes that tough.

  211. Leigh Lowe

    Gillian Triggs said on ABC 24hrNews this afternoon in regard to Folau “that this has gone too far”.

    Something we agree on, albeit probably for different reasons.
    Of course, if Folau wins, it blows up the whole HRC industry.

  212. Perplexed of Brisbane

    When I initially went on the GFM site, to donate to Folau, I saw some of the children’s appeals. Most had already surpassed or reached their claimed targets.

    As other posters said, they may have got more donations from Folau supporters as a consequence of seeing them.

    What intrigues me is that the 95,000 people who signed the change.org petition to have his appeal removed could have donated as little as $5 each and surpassed the appeal targets for those kids by huge margins.

    It appears, that even with the best of goodwill to accepting their philanthropy, that few of them have put their hand into their own pockets. Yet they criticise those of us who chose to donate to another cause.

    They can’t be bothered to donate to their own chosen ones.

    I have stated before. Enact the Rabz doctrine immediately and use the $1.2b saved every year to fund exceptional medical treatment for all children that require it. That should keep them happy.

  213. P

    Patricia Karvelas gave quite some time to Andrew Braggs followed by Gilllian Triggs.

    I have no need to speak of what Braggs had to say. I do wish though that these people would take some elocution lessons, esp in regard to their lisp, when they enter parliament.

    Telephoned one of my sons who said to me that it really must be bad for Triggs to say that it had gone too far.

  214. Mother Lode

    SpaceX launches hefty rocket with 24 satellites, human ashes

    Now, see? That’s smart.

    Why waste all that additional fuel and space transporting screaming sacks of water in space suits if you are ultimately only going to be leaving the ashes up there anyway.

  215. feelthebern

    When Triggs said that it had gone far enough, was she referring to her child she didn’t want & flick passed to someone else to look after?

  216. Atoms for Peace

    I’m quite enjoying watching the lefty doomsday clock tick slowly towards a yuuuuge day in court.
    We are approaching 5mins to midnight which perchance is also the V finger sign.

  217. Rafe Champion

    Aly from Leigh Low at 5.35.

    And he’ll end up in court and there will be a resolution to this that way. I’m just not sure what either side thinks they’ve achieved.’

    When asked by reporters about the removal of the GoFundMe page, Prime Minister Scott Morrison declined to share his opinion but rather stated the issue’s ‘had enough oxygen’.

    Former rugby star Peter FitzSimons was elated the page was removed, telling The Project: ‘You can’t get money that way. It’s a victory in this round and the whole struggle’.

    So Aly is smart enough to see it was a dumb move by GFM, unlike the pirate, but he is not prepared to concede that the politically correct might be in the wrong and he just wishes the whole thing would go away as soon as possible.
    Is that really what our PM said recently or is that an old line? I got caught out quoting an old statement although it didn’t make a lot of difference

  218. MatrixTransform

    outrage is largely confected and irrelevant

    Numpty annihilates his own talking points … class

  219. P

    Triggs was in favour of Folau and his right to say what he did on social media.

  220. None

    Agree Tafe. It is in RA’sinterest to present this as a contractual issue which in one sense it is but the fact is they have breached their contract according to Izzy because of his religious beliefs nothing more nothing less. Like the Peter red case it will go down to technicalities like likely impact on ra but as far as I’m concerned they and they alone shot themselves in the foot. Look at how quickly and neatly netball South Australia dealt with things.
    The other thing I heard is they’re refusing to pay out his contract. Plus he’s also lost his personal sponsorships. That means he could be under severe financial strain if he’s made some big long term commitments or taking on any debt on the basis of expected future earnings.

    This is why I don’t necessarily by he’s a rich man. 5 or 6 million dollars he’s not much. The average Sydney household would probably sit on 2 million dollars assets if you count the house and Izzy would never be able to sell at market value with these malicious bastards. Also don’t underestimate how are using it is to make someone bankrupt.

    So far I can see some of Alan jones’ advice in how he’s going aboit it 2 which is good.

  221. feelthebern

    Name another issue where 1mill bucks got donated by the punters within one day.

  222. cohenite

    Zippy noted this above:

    New Policy: Do Not Post In Support of Trump or his Administration

    Sunday, June 23rd 2019

    We are banning support of Donald Trump and his administration on Ravelry.

    This includes support in the form of forum posts, projects, patterns, profiles, and all other content. Note that your project data will never be deleted. We will never delete your Ravelry project data for any reason and if a project needs to be removed from the site, we will make sure that you have access to your data. If you are permanently banned from Ravelry, you will still be able to access any patterns that you purchased. Also, we will make sure that you receive a copy of your data.

    We cannot provide a space that is inclusive of all and also allow support for open white supremacy. Support of the Trump administration is undeniably support for white supremacy.

    First the CWA, now knitting forums; all my refuges are being destroyed.

  223. thefrollickingmole

    Triggs was in favour of Folau and his right to say what he did on social media

    Triggs has had a look and realized her type can only prosper when they can attack those with few resources or carefully “gated” through a pre determined outcome by a process her type control.\

    Let a well resourced silk loose on a cut and shut “behavior policy” and people might question exactly why we pay for government & big business/sports inquisitors to prosecute people.

    God forbid the proles unlearn to police their language for fear of prosecution…

  224. Bruce of Newcastle

    Flower power.

    The unseen battle against the wild sunflower

    A small lab in Kiryat Shmona’s Academic and Technology College of Tel-Hai a battle is being fought against an opponent none of us knew could even pose a threat: the wild sunflower.

    The Wild Sunflower is an allelopathic plant, which means it spreads toxins from all its parts – leaves, stems, flowers, seeds – that deter the growth of other plants or even kills them.

    Approximately 40 years ago, the first seeds of the wild sunflower made its way to Israel, probably after it was mixed in fish food. Since then, the species has spread across the country.

    “They can create a lot of damage, and once they find their way between different crops, it is very hard to exterminate them,” Dr. Sariel Hübner told Channel 12 news.

    I can help! A dozen of my local cockies should fix the problem in a few years. And Mossad can use them to spy on the Palis.

  225. Knuckle Dragger

    Shit shit shit.
    Nota, 1.58 pm;

    What did I win? For what?

  226. Leigh Lowe

    This is one of the truly great days.
    All the sweeter after yesterday.
    Of course, the case has to be run and won, but the thought of subpoenas going out to Beattie, the Leprechaun, Qantas PR and Gummint Relations as well as the Vicar and the entire RA board, has a certain appeal …
    “Did you, Mr Joyce, ever discuss wit Rugby Australia de termination of Mr Folau’s contract?”
    “um, well, …”

  227. feelthebern

    Great points Leigh.
    Because Beattie said that Izzy will not be allowed in the NRL, it goes to the loss of earnings.

  228. rickw

    Now over $1.1m.

    Go you magnificent bastards!!!

  229. Leigh Lowe

    feelthebern
    #3053326, posted on June 25, 2019 at 5:54 pm
    Name another issue where 1mill bucks got donated by the punters within one day.

    12 hours to be precise.
    The day is not over.
    My estimate of it getting to $750k by teatime and puttering along to $900k tomorrow is looking decidedly Fitzsimons.

  230. P

    My son rang me back and said that my grandson had just told him to make another donation.
    My son queried him how he knew so much about it and he replied that he had read it all on the internet. He further replied that it was good to see Christians standing up for what they believed.
    He is 12yrs old and attends a Catholic college.

  231. Knuckle Dragger

    In between picking fights with my betters all afternoon, I’ve been suppressing an image of a midget Irishman in a magnificent oak office with a little hat on, steaming with rage.

    Bellowing in his tiny brogue to a ponytail-having clueless hipster PR dude, slamming a crème de menthe on his desk, ‘What the hell am I paying you for? MAKE IT STOP!’

  232. feelthebern

    I love it.
    All the bed wetters on the board of Rugby Australia having to front up to court.
    Public.
    Watching all their stories NOT match up.
    This class of people are not street fighters…def not used to this…love it.

  233. None

    Alan Joyce is only done a good job at Qantas because the fuel prices have been low.

  234. feelthebern

    I wonder if this Trump accuser crumbling will be given as much coverage as her original allegations.
    Doubt it.

  235. Woolfe

    From ABC news twitter feed
    #Folau should be entitled to put his view. It’s a wide view, it encompasses a lot of us – we’re all going to hell. It’s foolish and disproportionate to prevent him from preaching something that he believes is a matter of religious expression, @GillianTriggs tells @PatsKarvelas

  236. Knuckle Dragger

    Well, my prediction this morning didn’t work out at all. $260+ north of the mark.

    Don’t I feel like a dickhead.

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