Tuesday Forum: June 25, 2019

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  1. Diogenes

    Excepting official military functions they may be obliged to attend (as the nation’s supremely honoured soldiers), they shouldn’t receive anything extra.

    Read the link Nota provided. That is all they get, and it needs to be approved by a Major General (or equivalent) or up. Its not like Ben Roberts can say, ‘right I want to go watch Whales in SA’ , and the govt ponies up. If it is – ‘we want to you to represent Australia at the 75th anniversary of VE day in London’ then they pay

  2. Goanna

    Most people go to see their bank manager with cap in hand. Consequently these managers rarely have the riot act read to them.

    This morning was different. The local manager learnt about “Get Woke, Go Broke.”

  3. None

    Another netball sponsor has gone after Maria according to the front page of the Australian and of course they ate going after ACL but ACL also runs a legal service which is not a charity and I think that’s where they’ve parked is his money so I don’t see any problem there.

  4. Tintarella di Luna

    Where can I read the full statement by the ANZ about the Netball fiasco thanks

  5. Top Ender

    Melbourne union figure John Setka has been ordered to participate in a “behavioural change” program and pay $1000 to an Aboriginal legal service after pleading guilty to harassing a woman using a carriage service.

    Mr Setka, 54, who has been on leave from his job at the Construction Forestry Maritime Mining and Energy Union, appeared in the Melbourne Magistrates Court this morning where Magistrate Belinda Wallington described his language when communicating with the woman as “nasty” and “misogynistic”.

    She ordered him to attend a men’s behavioural change program, donate $1000 to legal group Djirra and be of good behaviour for 12 months.

    The court heard the offending began last October, when he made 25 phone calls to the woman and sent her 45 text messages.

    He further described her as a “f**king dog” and a “c**t”, including in communications between December 31 and January 3.

    Mr Setka, wearing a blue and white floral print shirt, sat with family members during the hearing.

    He has been defying calls to resign from the union. ACTU boss Sally McManus has told him that it “it is in the best interests of the union movement that he resigns”.

    Labor leader Anthony Albanese has also been pushing for Mr Setka to be expelled from the party

    Oz complete – no comments allowed.

  6. feelthebern

    In relation to the VC story in the Oz, it’s total, vindictive shit stirring by deep state operatives.
    Sad fact, the deep state public servants will most likely retire on a substantially higher pension than the VC chaps.

  7. Leigh Lowe

    Who is the other sponsor piling into Maria Folau?

  8. feelthebern

    He has been defying calls to resign from the union. ACTU boss Sally McManus has told him that it “it is in the best interests of the union movement that he resigns”.
    Labor leader Anthony Albanese has also been pushing for Mr Setka to be expelled from the party

    John Setka will remain head of the CFMMEU.
    If the RC couldn’t unseat him, Albo has zero chance.

  9. old bloke

    Leigh Lowe
    #3057677, posted on June 26, 2019 at 9:12 am

    I watched the Koch-head interview with Martin Iles and thought it was OK.
    Koch-head asked a few questions but didn’t go attack dog.
    He even went to … “Would we treat a Mislum footballer the same way?”

    Wasn’t there a problem last year regarding a RoP footballer in Melbourne who refused to wear the team’s guernsey as it carried an endorsement for the team’s sponsor, a brewery. I don’t know what the outcome was, but I congratulate him for taking his stance.

  10. Infidel Tiger

    HFC. Health insurer.

    Burn them to the ground.

  11. stackja

    ANZ comments on News Corp story about Netball NZ sponsorship and Maria Folau
    ANZ today commented on a News Corp story about our sponsorship of Netball NZ and claims we tried to influence its dealings with netball player Maria Folau.

    The following statement is attributable to an ANZ spokesman:

    “We value our partnership with Netball NZ and any suggestion we have tried to pressure them is absolutely incorrect.

    “ANZ NZ believes in diversity and inclusion. We’re very proud we have a rainbow tick as an employer and over the years have supported rainbow activities in the community.

    “We do not support any views or actions that can be interpreted as supporting homophobia.

    “We will continue to support Netball NZ and the tens of thousands of participants and supporters of the game.”

  12. Leigh Lowe

    Gold!
    Opportunity knocks.
    Haven’t been door-knocked for years by charities.
    Just had the Smith Family knock on the door asking for donations.

    He was ever so polite.

    Me : “Sorry, I’ve given all my charity budget to Israel Folau.”
    Politeness façade slipped a bit.
    Biting lip and resisting the urge to rant at me.

  13. None

    What’s actually happening is that the Gaystapo is pressuring netball sponsors so they go to netball associatons demanding some sort of motherhood statements or action and or denouncing of Izzy and Maria Folau. This Is why Netball SA’s statement wa just so spot on because it refused to denounce Izzy directly but rather concentrated on stating that they were an inclusive organisation, but one with perspective who valued their staff and players right to post about their family on social media.
    The Gestapo is behind this and they will go through every single sponsor. Asics which was Izzy’s personal sponsor also sponsors netball New Zealand. So they will certainly whinge.

  14. feelthebern

    “We will continue to support Netball NZ and the tens of thousands of participants and supporters of the game.”

    Fun fact.
    Netball is the biggest participation sport in Australia.
    No, sitting at home, playing playstation with a hand full of twisties is not sport.

  15. Leigh Lowe

    HFC. Health insurer.
    Burn them to the ground.

    HFC or HCF?

  16. We’re very proud we have a rainbow tick as an employer and over the years have supported rainbow activities in the community.

    And that’s a reason why I should invest money with them?

  17. feelthebern

    HFC or HCF?

    Please don’t be KFC.

  18. stackja

    “We do not support the views of Silver Fern Maria Folau and have made our views known to her employer Netball NZ,” ANZ media manager Stefan Herrick said in a statement.

    “ANZ NZ believes in diversity and inclusion,” spokesman Stefan Herrick said in a statement today.

    “We’re very proud we have a Rainbow Tick as an employer and over the years have supported rainbow activities in the community.

    “We do not support the views of Silver Fern Maria Folau and have made our views known to her employer Netball NZ.

    “But we will continue to support Netball NZ and the tens of thousands of participants and supporters of the game.”

  19. Roger

    We’re very proud we have a rainbow tick as an employer and over the years have supported rainbow activities in the community.

    This is not a bank, it’s a cadre of cultural subversives.

  20. Leigh Lowe

    Wasn’t there a problem last year regarding a RoP footballer in Melbourne who refused to wear the team’s guernsey as it carried an endorsement for the team’s sponsor, a brewery. I don’t know what the outcome was, but I congratulate him for taking his stance.

    Yeah, nah.
    He is not “taking a stance.”
    That would imply there is some risk to his action.
    There is absolutely zero risk in a Mislum doing anything at all in the name of RoP.
    But imagine if Maria Folau said she didn’t want to wear the HCF logo because they fund abortion?

  21. Leigh Lowe

    HFC or HCF?

    And does their extras cover include dyslexia?

  22. None

    Another netball sponsor has expressed its concern over Maria Folau’s support of her husband Israel.

    Health Insurance company HCF, sponsor of Maria’s team the Adelaide Thunderbirds, has reportedly told Netball Australia: “We do not support Maria Folau’s stance.”

    The company said it had expressed the need for “a strong, clear and well enforced social media policy and education amongst its players and staff” after Maria reposted her husband’s appeal for donations in his legal battle with Rugby Australia.

    “We appreciate the complexities of the Folau matter and acknowledge that views do differ in the community, however, we do not support Maria Folau’s stance on this matter,” an HCF spokesman said, according to Nine Media.

    “There is no place in our society for discrimination of any kind, including on the basis of gender, religious belief, age, race or sexual orientation.”

  23. C.L.

    rainbow activities

    I think that used to be called loitering around public dunnies.

  24. Roger

    There is no place in our society for discrimination of any kind, including on the basis of gender, religious belief, age, race or sexual orientation.”

    Er…Israel is the one who’s been discriminated against here.

  25. Leigh Lowe

    “There is no place in our society for discrimination of any kind, including on the basis of gender, religious belief, age, race or sexual orientation.”

    Do they read their own shit?
    Oh, of course, I get it.
    “religious belief” is code for “moosleys are safe”.

  26. Tintarella di Luna

    “There is no place in our society for discrimination of any kind, including on the basis of gender, religious belief, age, race or sexual orientation.”

    That there is defamatory of Maria Folau because that is what they are accusing her of, and that is the accusation foisted on the netball associations employing Maria Folau — this stance is more important than ever./

    That toothy creature Liz Ellis is a drongo because she has poured petrol on the inferno

  27. feelthebern

    “religious belief” is code for “moosleys are safe”.

    So they should be.
    They are the religion of piece (a piece of kebabble).
    They are also they most equitable religion (some lady with a Mr Whippy helmet said so).

  28. Leigh Lowe

    There is no place in our society for Christians. discrimination of any kind, including on the basis of gender, religious belief, age, race or sexual orientation.”

    Come on guys, just say it.

  29. feelthebern

    There is no place in our society for Christians

    Very true.
    Until Christians pay reparations for the Crusades, they deserve this.

  30. Roger

    Veiled threats being made in the public sphere against decent people by morally obtuse corporate bullies.

    Where’s our fearless leader ScoMo?

    I’d like to hear what the right side of his mouth says about this.

  31. Bruce of Newcastle

    The US embargo plays it part of course, but there is a certain irony in relying on the evil capitalistic country in the north refusing to buy your goods for your countries financial woes.

    As far as I know there is no US embargo on this country:

    “Empty Shelves & Massive Job Cuts” Loom As Zimbabwe Abandons USDollar… Again (25 Jun)

    After a decade of dollarization to escape from the hyperinflationary hell of Mugabe’s money-printing, Zimbabwe has implicitly re-introduced the ZimDollar as the nation’s sole legal tender – banning the use of currencies such as the USDollar and South African Rand in favor of its so-called RTGS dollar.

    As a reminder, Zimbabwe abandoned its own dollar in 2009 after years of hyperinflation had destroyed trust in the local unit, but, after a hoped-for economic turnaround, promised by new Zimbabwean President Emmerson Mnangagwa, is yet to materialise,

    As Reuters reports, Finance Minister Mthuli Ncube said in a video posted on Twitter

    “The march towards full currency reform is part of our transitional stabilisation programme…This move is really beginning to restore full monetary policy.”

    Additionally, the central bank also hiked its overnight lending rate to 50% from 15% as a part of a set of measures to protect the RTGS dollar introduced in February.

    But it is socialist. Weird coincidence that. I suspect their inflation rate will soon resemble Mr Ncube’s fine mathematical name.

  32. Leigh Lowe

    Veiled threats being made in the public sphere against decent people by morally obtuse corporate bullies.
    Where’s our fearless leader ScoMo?

    Waiting for his oxygen mask to drop.

  33. Leigh Lowe

    Has he made $2m yet?

    Creeping up on $1.8m.
    But I reckon that is plenty to blow up the Vicar.

  34. Bruce of Newcastle

    Until Christians pay reparations for the Crusades, they deserve this.

    Lessee, 98% of people aren’t gay, 70% of gays aren’t black, almost none of the gay people who are black are American Indians.

    So on my math everyone is paying reparations to everyone else.

    The Case for Gay Reparation (NYT, 14 Jun)
    Reparations for African-Americans And Native Americans — How to Do (20 Jun)

    Have I left anyone out?

  35. Tom

    That toothy creature Liz Ellis is a drongo because she has poured petrol on the inferno

    And yet she will face no consequences because she is one of the leftist ruling class’s useful idiots.

  36. feelthebern

    Have I left anyone out?

    White, straight, males, from Newcastle, with a history of science will need to pay extra.

  37. None

    Complain to HBF. I did. I am beyond furious with the corporate bullies who are going after Maria Folau more so than those going after Izzy. These bullies – who are in bed with the love is Love crowd – want women to denounce their husbands, and not just for any reason but in order to support the Gaystapo. Are you f****** kidding me?

  38. feelthebern

    If only Bill Leak was alive today.

  39. Dr Faustus

    Martin Isles trolling like a boss:

    “It’s time for our politicians to lead. It’s time for Scott Morrison and Anthony Albanese to outline in detail how they will protect people of faith and the important principles of freedoms that are raised by Israel’s case.

    “This sort of public lynching is unacceptable in a supposedly tolerant and ethnically and religiously diverse country like Australia and our politicians cannot simply wash their hands like Pontius Pilate.”

    Ah, those bowel-loosening important principles.
    Don’t wait up.

  40. Atoms for Peace

    If nothing else, I have ascended the woke ladder in investigating the mysteries of a rainbow tick .

  41. Roger

    These bullies…want women to denounce their husbands, and not just for any reason but in order to support the Gaystapo.

    Extraordinary arrogance, isn’t it?

    This is an issue Morrison avoids commenting on at great cost – he looks like a weak leader.

  42. Leigh Lowe

    None
    #3057890, posted on June 26, 2019 at 12:22 pm
    Complain to HBF. I did.

    Excellent.
    But they are probably confused.
    Having had a trial run on HBF, you might want to now unload on HCF, which is the netty sponsor.

  43. C.L.

    The kid who killed his parents and then asked the judge for mercy because he’s an orphan rang.
    He wants to give BWS his chutzpah trophy.

    Dry July partnership with alcohol chain BWS under fire from health experts.

    A new partnership between Australia’s largest alcohol retailer and the Dry July Foundation, which raises money for people affected by cancer, has drawn the ire of leading public health experts.

    The Woolworths-owned BWS liquor chain last week announced it was teaming up with Dry July, which challenges Australians to go alcohol-free for a month, to raise funds for charity and promote its low- and no-alcohol products to participants.

    But Michael Thorn, chief executive of the Foundation for Alcohol Research and Education (FARE), dismissed the move as nothing more than a “cynical marketing exercise” that was “particularly egregious” because of the well-established link between alcohol and cancer.

    “It is inappropriate to have one group that sells cancer-causing alcoholic beverages 365 days a year partnering with the other group that fundraises to support the victims of alcohol harm,” Mr Thorn said.

    “Unless every BWS outlet shuts up shop for the month, this stunt will do nothing to reduce alcohol harm.”

    I’m inclined to agree with Mr Thorn. Shut up your outlets for the month.

  44. Bruce of Newcastle

    White, straight, males, from Newcastle, with a history of science will need to pay extra.

    FTB – Pls post your reparations cheque to me ASAP for the terrible things you did to my African ancestor who slaved away on a sugar plantation to keep the Rum Corps in booze…

  45. Eyrie

    “This is an issue Morrison avoids commenting on at great cost – he looks like a weak leader.”
    In this case, what you see is what you get.

  46. feelthebern

    LOL.
    My ancestors were eaten by possums.
    Your support for their kin means you owe me money.

  47. Siltstone

    Have emailed ANZ saying that, as a shareholder, I will bring up their attack on Maria Folau at the next AGM and that they should be taking lessons on morals from her.

  48. politichix

    All our transactional accounts are with ANZ – about 10 all up. Want to close with prejudice! Problem though, where to go? The big 4 are all as bad as each other and a cursory look at the next tier are even worse. Does anyone have a view on this?

  49. Some History

    Ticks are arachnids, typically 3 to 5 mm long, part of the order Parasitiformes. Along with mites, they constitute the subclass Acari. Ticks are ectoparasites, living by feeding on the blood of mammals, birds, and sometimes reptiles and amphibians.

    The rainbow tick produces particular detrimental effects in its human hosts, e.g., delusions of grandeur, delusions of benevolence, megalomania, bullying, dishonesty, pride.

  50. Real Deal

    $1,776,896.05 raised as at 12.32pm

    Someone has helpfully chipped in 5 cents recently. Would be great to crack 2 mill at the end of the day.

  51. feelthebern

    Does anyone have a view on this?

    I hide all my money under my mattress.

  52. A Quiet Australian

    We value our partnership with Netball NZ and any suggestion we have tried to pressure them is absolutely incorrect.

    And

    We do not support the views of Silver Fern Maria Folau and have made our views known to her employer Netball NZ,” ANZ media manager Stefan Herrick said in a statement.

    Why would they feel the need to approach Maria Folau’s employer, if not to apply pressure to have her censured?

  53. Perth Trader

    An Anglican bishop has branded the religious statements of Australian rugby union player Israel Folau as hate speech.

    The Bishop of Grafton, the Right Reverend Dr Murray Harvey, said free speech should not be used to vilify others.
    Biblical text is hate speech??????

  54. All our transactional accounts are with ANZ – about 10 all up. Want to close with prejudice! Problem though, where to go? The big 4 are all as bad as each other and a cursory look at the next tier are even worse. Does anyone have a view on this?

    I’m in the same boat.
    Chose ANZ coz they’re the only one I can walk to.

  55. feelthebern

    Dr Murray Harvey

    Doctor of what?
    Also, he’s one of those first name, last name people.
    Don’t trust them.

  56. Diogenes

    Someone has helpfully chipped in 5 cents recently

    Danger Will Robinson! Danger !

    Probably some SJW type who had to donate ‘something’ in order to complain – like the shareholder with one share who demands to speak at the AGM

    Or am I being to cynical ? Answers on a postacrd

  57. thefrollickingmole

    We’re very proud we have a rainbow tick as an employer

    Was AIDs related to Lyme disease?

    The things you learn.

  58. Bruce of Newcastle

    My ancestors were eaten by possums.
    Your support for their kin means you owe me money.

    I’ve already paid up. And as for the dinosaurs, their progeny are very well supported too.

  59. C.L.

    An Anglican bishop has branded the religious statements of Australian rugby union player Israel Folau as hate speech.

    He also compared Israel Folau to white slavers.

    I kid you not. Here is the statement of this crackpot divine:

    https://www.graftondiocese.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Media-Statement.pdf

  60. Boambee John

    The Oz is saying the Federal government is looking to reduce VC recipients travel entitlements.
    This stinks of deep state, department over reach to embarrass the government.

    VC (and GC) recipients also receive an annual gratuity. It hasn’t, afik, been increased for yonks.

    Back in the 1990s, there was a proposal floated to abolish what was even then a token sum. The minister of the time refused, supposedly partly because he did not wish to face the wrath of Nancy Wake, then still living and formidable!

  61. Gab

    I’d like to ditch my ANZ accounts but to which bank should I transfer?

  62. Leigh Lowe

    politichix
    #3057904, posted on June 26, 2019 at 12:33 pm
    All our transactional accounts are with ANZ – about 10 all up. Want to close with prejudice! Problem though, where to go? The big 4 are all as bad as each other and a cursory look at the next tier are even worse. Does anyone have a view on this?

    That is a dilemma, but the walking out and closing accounts makes a few waves.
    I think ANZ is by far the wokiest gayest bank.

  63. C.L.

    Doctor of what?

    He is a psychologist by training.
    He has a Doctor of Health Science degree from testamur factory, Deakin University.

  64. Bruce of Newcastle

    I hide all my money under my mattress.

    Good idea. My mum’s “investment” account interest rate dropped to 0.3% last week.
    Deeming rate is still 3.25%.
    Amazing how the Libs keep forgetting to lower it.

  65. feelthebern

    Hmm…well that’s a real doctor.
    Twas hoping it was a PHD in gender studies or something similar.

  66. Leigh Lowe

    If nothing else, I have ascended the woke ladder in investigating the mysteries of a rainbow tick .

    The rainbow tick is the halal certification racket for fags.

  67. politichix

    A third sponsor, Suncorp, avoided commenting on the Folau stance but stressed to The Australian that it supported “diversity and inclusion.”

    “Suncorp’s sponsorship of the Super Netball League is focused on building a nation of confident girls and championing the importance of participation in sport across Australia. Suncorp Group proudly supports diversity and inclusion of our people and customers,” said a spokesman.

    A mildly more pleasing response – maybe Suncorp is the alternative bank….

  68. feelthebern

    Is the water drop on twitter related to incontinence ?

  69. Goanna


    politichix
    #3057904, posted on June 26, 2019 at 12:33 pm
    All our transactional accounts are with ANZ – about 10 all up. Want to close with prejudice! Problem though, where to go? The big 4 are all as bad as each other and a cursory look at the next tier are even worse. Does anyone have a view on this?

    At the moment it is the ANZ that needs to be punished.
    The others can wait their turn whilst they observe.

  70. I think that used to be called loitering around public dunnies.

    Phone the Parrot’s talkback and ask him.
    He’s sure to have an opinion.

  71. feelthebern

    Seriously, all banking licence holders in Oz are as bad as each other.

  72. Diogenes

    Amazing how the Libs keep forgetting to lower it.

    I wonder how enthusiastic they would be for interest rate cuts, if the deeming rate was pegged to the RBA cash rate

  73. A Quiet Australian

    BTW, I should have introduced myself before posting. I have been a long-time lurker to this site. I really enjoy the wit, insight and repartee of so many of you. The site has become my major source of news and analysis. Thank you all.

    The Israel Folau issue really got my goat, and I wanted to join the conversation. Like many others, I doubled down after my GFM donation got pulled, and I’ll double down again if necessary.

  74. Some History

    Some background on the CEO of GoFundMe, a graduate of the leftist incubator, University of Califraudia (Berkeley).

    https://scet.berkeley.edu/rob-solomon-cal-grad-ceo-gofundme/
    https://www.aspenideas.org/speakers/rob-solomon

  75. Tintarella di Luna

    There is no place in our society for discrimination of any kind, including on the basis of gender, religious belief, age, race or sexual orientation.”

    ANZ had to return pilfered money from 2million customers. If they think this stunt will rehabilitate their tarnished reputation they’ve listened to the wrong woke folk

  76. feelthebern

    Seriously, all banking licence holders in Oz are as bad as each other.

    Not a single bank said anything about the ALP’s proposed franking credit changes.
    But they all get on their hind legs to talk climate certainty when the LNP gets reelected.

  77. Bruce of Newcastle

    Actually, if my mum did take her money out of that account and stuffed it under a mattress she might no longer have to pay tax based on the deeming rate. So she could actually get a better return after tax by keeping it under the mattress.

    I suspect the ATO have some clause deep in their website about mattresses and the deeming rate, so I won’t tell her this.

  78. Gab

    You’re very talkative for A Quiet Australian.

    Welcome! 👏🍾🍸⭐️

  79. Most people go to see their bank manager with cap in hand. Consequently these managers rarely have the riot act read to them.

    Quite so. And they capitalise on this – but usually have sufficient sense of self-preservation to not go out in public too much.
    However it isn’t hick branch managers & loan officers who’re behind this.
    This one is almost certainly a ponytail in a powerskirt in Head Office.
    Almost certainly that ponytail has never worked in banking or finance or anything of the sort.

  80. Eyrie:

    “This is an issue Morrison avoids commenting on at great cost – he looks like a weak leader.”

    In this case, what you see is what you get.

    Yep. We understand that, but imagine if Bill was the PM?
    At least we can kick Morro’s arse until he wakes up – yep, I understand that as well.
    At most it’s healthy exercise kicking arses.

  81. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I slipped over in the shower’: Anita Cobby killer severely bashed by up to eight inmates in a dose of ‘prison justice’ refuses to name his attackers

    Gary Murphy, 61, is in hospital after he was attacked by inmates at Long Bay jail
    He was among five jailed for life over the 1986 rape and murder of Anita Cobby
    Nurse, 26, had her throat slit and was dumped in a paddock in western Sydney
    John Cobby is celebrating after his wife’s killer was bashed in prison showers
    Murphy has refused to identify his six to eight attackers to prison authorities

    Daily Mail.

  82. C.L.

    Hmm…well that’s a real doctor.

    If you mean a medical practitioner (a GP), no.
    The Doctor of Health Science degree is open to arts and nursing graduates.

  83. Tintarella di Luna

    I’d like to ditch my ANZ accounts but to which bank should I transfer?

    Commonwealth have lifted their game considerably of late so we’re staying put.

  84. The big 4 are all as bad as each other and a cursory look at the next tier are even worse. Does anyone have a view on this?

    Wish I did. We have been “bank-jumping” for the best interest rates. We are back at the ANZ after leaving them after 45 years since they really were not interested despite a reasonable package being invested.

    We will soon be putting it into property & doubt if any parting words about their views on free speech will have any effect at all.

  85. Some History

    The GoFundMe boss has defended his company’s decision to remove Israel Folau’s fundraising page, as comedian Magda Szubanski launches a rival page called “For Love.”
    Chief Executive Rob Solomon said Folau’s original request for donations was flagged as “high risk” within hours of going live with donations refunded in full.
    He told News Corp Australia it was noted as “high risk” of violating its policies but said the company was “wide open for business” for religious causes.
    “To some people it might not be crystal clear that this is a violation, while others may have a different interpretation,” Mr Solomon said.
    “Internally, we take it very seriously. We don’t want to rush to judgment. We want to factor in everything and everything is reviewed with a multi-tiered assessment of our policy.”

    https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/magda-szubanski-opens-up-on-israel-folau-and-her-new-gofundme-campaign/news-story/47dd913891a8db584e446bbed4c2cffa#.lycm6

  86. thefrollickingmole

    Numberwang getting turgid over the parrots toilet activities.

    Sad
    Weird.
    Low energy.

  87. feelthebern

    I mean a shrinky dink is kind of a doctor.
    It’s not like he’s a John Hewson kind of doctor.

  88. feelthebern

    You need to treat your banking relationships like KD uses tinder.
    Once you’ve gotten what you want, leave & look for the next best thing.
    Your bank does not care about you.

  89. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    “Internally, we take it very seriously. We don’t want to rush to judgment. We want to factor in everything and everything is reviewed with a multi-tiered assessment of our policy.”

    He passed the skin colour test and threw them into utter panic, escalation to top brass was required for a decision.

  90. Bruce of Newcastle

    You need to treat your banking relationships like KD uses tinder.

    Always get checked for exotic diseases afterwards?

  91. Perth Trader

    Is it just me , or what? I feel like I’m living in Judea 2000 years ago. A crazy coloured rugby player is spreading the word of god and he and his wife plus anyone who defends him is being crucified publicly. Now, dont get me wrong, I’m no christain or saint but this is weirding me out.

  92. Roberto

    Leigh Lowe
    #3057655, posted on June 26, 2019 at 8:53 am
    One thing I have discovered that throws lefty anti-Christian trolls on soshul meeja.
    Tell them you forgive them, bless them and are praying for them.
    They either go nuts or go vewwy, vewwy quiet.

    I’ve done that a number of times. The outbreak of rage that it induces is almost apocalyptic. And completely illogical. If they’re all so sure that God doesn’t exist – as they constantly assert – then they’d laugh it off, or pity me for wasting my time praying with no hope of efficacy.

    It just strengthens my belief that many soi-disant atheists aren’t at all certain that God doesn’t exist; in fact, they’re rather afraid that He does.

  93. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    There is no place in our society for discrimination of any kind, including on the basis of gender, religious belief, age, race or sexual orientation.”

    what a load of bullshit

  94. C.L.

    Everything is spinning out of control …

    Channel 10 is forced to intervene after Waleed Aly is relentlessly trolled by viewers who say he doesn’t deserve another Gold Logie.

    The drama started when the official Channel 10 Facebook page shared a post urging viewers to vote for Waleed to win the Gold Logie at the upcoming Logie Awards.

    ‘Vote for Waleed for all his hard work on The Project,’ read the post, which was accompanied by a smiling photo of the 40-year-old Muslim journalist and a link to the TV Week website.

    The post was immediately flooded with negative comments, with one Facebook user claiming they had ‘stopped watching The Project because of [Waleed].’

    ‘No way, I can’t stand him,’ wrote another. ‘He and [Lisa Wilkinson] have ruined The Project. They have used The Project as their own personal soapbox.’

    Channel 10’s social media department eventually stepped in, branding the negative feedback ‘abuse’ and sharing a link to the network’s community guidelines.

    ‘We don’t tolerate or condone any form of abuse, insults or threats to any of our 10 personalities,’ read the post by Channel 10.

    ‘Here is a reminder of our community guidelines… At 10, we’re about celebrating Australian TV talent. Please consider your comments before you post them.

    ‘Be kind. Be respectful. Thanks for your understanding.’

    The warning didn’t go down well, with many people accusing Channel 10 of being unwilling to accept feedback and criticism from its own viewers.

    ‘I think people are giving you a clear message. Not sure if you’re getting the hint though,’ one Facebook user wrote.

    Another commented: ‘Actually, if you want proper feedback of your cast and presenters, do not tell people what they can and can’t post.’

  95. None

    I can’t believe the bishop of Grafton liken Israel Folau to white slavers and what is really going here is as Leigh said: Blackbirding 2019 Style

  96. Pert Trader:
    What’s wrong with weirding?
    Weirdest!

  97. C.L.

    Everything is spinning out of control …

    Channel 10 is forced to intervene after Waleed Aly is relentlessly trolled by viewers who say he doesn’t deserve another Gold Logie.

    The drama started when the official Channel 10 Facebook page shared a post urging viewers to vote for Waleed to win the Gold Logie at the upcoming Logie Awards.

    ‘Vote for Waleed for all his hard work on The Project,’ read the post, which was accompanied by a smiling photo of the 40-year-old Mvzlim journalist and a link to the TV Week website.

    The post was immediately flooded with negative comments, with one Facebook user claiming they had ‘stopped watching The Project because of [Waleed].’

    ‘No way, I can’t stand him,’ wrote another. ‘He and [Lisa Wilkinson] have ruined The Project. They have used The Project as their own personal soapbox.’

    Channel 10’s social media department eventually stepped in, branding the negative feedback ‘abuse’ and sharing a link to the network’s community guidelines.

    ‘We don’t tolerate or condone any form of abuse, insults or threats to any of our 10 personalities,’ read the post by Channel 10.

    ‘Here is a reminder of our community guidelines… At 10, we’re about celebrating Australian TV talent. Please consider your comments before you post them.

    ‘Be kind. Be respectful. Thanks for your understanding.’

    The warning didn’t go down well, with many people accusing Channel 10 of being unwilling to accept feedback and criticism from its own viewers.

    ‘I think people are giving you a clear message. Not sure if you’re getting the hint though,’ one Facebook user wrote.

    Another commented: ‘Actually, if you want proper feedback of your cast and presenters, do not tell people what they can and can’t post.’

  98. Gab

    Gold Logie. More like a gold lergy. Both useless and pointless.

  99. None

    It shouldn’t weird you out first trader because the story of Jesus, the gospel story, is a universal one. Jesus an innocent God-fearing Jew was executed by a combination of political expediency and mob rule. It’s the story of Our Lives. Big difference: Jesus Christ came back from the dead. Christians believe that they are united with Christ by faith and therefore they will rise again too.

  100. feelthebern

    I’m anti sniffer dogs harassing the public…unless every K-9 unit in the state targets the Logies.
    That would be a hoot.
    50 “celebs” getting treated like the rest of the punters.
    Awesome thought.

  101. Bruce of Newcastle

    The US ladies’ soccer team is going awesomely. First they celebrated obscenely at the 13-0 obliteration of Thailand. Then their captain refused to sing the national anthem. Then they beat Spain with a blatant dive so bad that even a Hollywood SJW wouldn’t employ that actress. And now:

    US Women’s soccer star Megan Rapinoe says she’s ‘not going to the f—ing White House’

    Wymminses’ soccer is a gift that keeps on giving. I hope they come up against a team of 11 transgender guys.

  102. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    A third sponsor, Suncorp, avoided commenting on the Folau stance but stressed to The Australian that it supported “diversity and inclusion.”

    ie shut up and die quietly while we replace you

  103. thefrollickingmole

    BEST LOGIE PRESENTER EVER!!!

  104. Mother Lode

    An Anglican bishop has branded the religious statements of Australian rugby union player Israel Folau as hate speech.

    Ummm…we already knew the Marxists didn’t approve.

  105. None

    Yep the Gaystapo -is targetting sponsors

  106. None

    Honestly Izzy is the gift that keeps on giving. He’s exposing everyone for what they are. The corporate bullies. The skanks like Ellis. A bishop now claiming the Bible is hate speech.

  107. Kev

    Excepting official military functions they may be obliged to attend (as the nation’s supremely honoured soldiers), they shouldn’t receive anything extra. They were decorated, not ennobled.

    CL Transport and accommodation to official military and government functions is all we are talking about. They aren’t politicians or public servants.

  108. Some History

    An Anglican bishop has branded the religious statements of Australian rugby union player Israel Folau as hate speech.

    The “Archdiocese of Grafton”, the voice of “progressive Christianity”.
    Welcome to the Twilight Zone.

    Murray Harvey’s offsider is Rev’d Tiffany Sparks (she seems to insist on the abbreviation – “Rev’d”; that must be “progressive”)

    https://anglicanfocus.org.au/2019/04/10/the-revd-tiffany-to-serve-as-archdeacon-of-grafton-diocese/
    http://www.juliemccrossin.com/qa-panel-asked-compare-homosexuality-nazism/

  109. Mallee Miss

    I find it interesting that the media generally seems to present lefty woke protests that greatly inconvenience commuters wanting to get to their jobs as ok, and a demonstration of free speech. However, when it comes to people wanting to show their displeasure by donating money to an individual in a non-violent way which inconveniences no commuter, then that is not ok, because sick children are missing out! And of course, they must try to shut down the new platform to save us from ourselves. Talk about hate media.

    I left the ANZ last year when they closed the local branch.

  110. None

    Oh I’m now really laughing. An Anglican bishop who thinks someone warning people against eternal damnation is hate speech. Izzy would have been better off just putting up a post saying: “you’re all going to hell nya nya”.

  111. Leigh Lowe

    Self Awareness Watch.
    After months of jumping all over Israel Folau and winding it up to eleventy in the last week, the presstitutes at the National Press Club spending an hour pontificating over Freedom o’ the Press.
    Private freedoms?
    Well, take a number and we’ll get back to you.

  112. thefrollickingmole

    ITs article posted over on the Atlantic..
    RTWT, its quite good.
    The Boomers Ruined Everything
    The mistakes of the past are fast creating a crisis for younger Americans.

    I looked at issues including housing, work rules, higher education, law enforcement, and public budgeting, and found a consistent pattern: The political ascendancy of the Boomers brought with it tightening control and stricter regulation, making it harder to succeed in America.


    But, of course, Boomers didn’t only make rules that nudge young people out of homeownership. They also made new rules restricting young people’s employment. Laws and rules requiring workers to have special licenses, degrees, or certificates to work have proliferated over the past few decades. And while much of this rise came before Boomers were politically active, instead of reversing the trend, they extended it.

    Just as tight land-use rules make existing homeowners richer by reducing how many new houses are listed on the market, strict licensing rules make existing workers richer by reducing competition in their fields.

    The social norm requiring degrees for virtually any middle-class job is one largely invented by Boomers and their parents, and enforced by those generations.

    In short, boomers inflicted credntialism and lots of petty laws on others after they were no longer going to cop it in the neck from them.

  113. Mother Lode

    The Rev’d Tiffany Sparks

    Another ‘Vicar of…’

  114. To be fair to acutal Anglicans, the Bishop of Grafton is a post (regardless of the incumbent) which does not have a happy ecclesiastical record in recent times.
    One of them was parish priest (his first job) in a district I lived in. We discussed then how he didn’t have what it took (to be a priest).
    No real surprise when he appeared years later in the news as Bishop of Grafton & was conducting himself in a manner ..well… not as one would expect from a Bishop in a well established religion.

  115. feelthebern

    The funny thing is, 99% of the media think the US has special protections for the media.
    They don’t.
    EVERYONE is protected.
    The media class asking for special protections that the rest of the population don’t get is disgraceful, but not surprising.

  116. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Raelene Castle priorities.

    Another wymensise in charge success story… bring on the gimps!

  117. C.L.

    CL Transport and accommodation to official military and government functions is all we are talking about. They aren’t politicians or public servants.

    Indeed.
    Duly noted and thank you.
    Good to see you, Kev. Hope you’re well, mate.

  118. old bloke

    Izzy’s fund keeps on growing, now $1.8M (and 33 cents). Should top $2M by the end of the day.

  119. None

    James Jefferies unreconstructed communist leaving the Australian to write speeches for Anthony Thai happy ending Albany Z. What could go wrong?

  120. feelthebern

    James Jefferies unreconstructed communist leaving the Australian to write speeches for Anthony Thai happy ending Albany Z. What could go wrong?

    He was that Husar chicks date to the mid winter ball last year.

  121. None

    $1,817,823.33

    They’ll have 2 million by tonight’s evening news for sure. When is Izzy’s first hearing? Thursday?
    The trouble with this is it encourages lawyers to faf around wasting other people’s money.

  122. None

    James Jefferies is married with Children.

  123. notafan

    Have emailed ANZ saying that, as a shareholder, I will bring up their attack on Maria Folau at the next AGM and that they should be taking lessons on morals from her.

    I politely emailed them to tell them in my capacity as a shareholder the private views of the Folaus was none of their BUSINESS (and a couple of other things about the rights freedom of individuals).

  124. feelthebern

    James Jefferies is married with Children.

    Well he still was her date for the mid Winter ball.

  125. Percy Popinjay

    an expletive laden sound bite which surfaced during one of the Broadcasts from the Athens Olympics

    Apparently the griks didn’t furnish Hadley with his daily vat of deep fried turnips in a timely enough fashion.

  126. Tom

    The world’s second-biggest company, Google — which pretends it is just a search engine to fool US regulators, but is actually a leftwing media publisher — is trying to rig the 2020 US presidential election so Donald Trump can’t win.

    Project Veritas’s latest undercover investigation infiltrated the operation to get first-hand accounts of how Google is manipulating its algorithms to promote leftwing talking points and make rightwing topics unavailable.

    Today’s edition of Tucker Carlson Tonight takes up the story from the 12-minute mark.

    Note: Youtube (a Google subsidiary) has banned the Project Veritas story and video, which you can access at the Project Veritas website.

  127. Percy Popinjay

    ‘No way, I can’t stand him,’ wrote another. ‘He and [Lisa Wilkinson] have ruined The Project.

    LOL. Like it would have been tolerable before that pair of imbeciles appeared on it.

  128. None

    I hear your feelz just making sure no one gets the wrong impression.

  129. feelthebern

    Emma Husar was the most virtuous of parliamentarians.
    When I say virtuous, I’m referring to her not showing her freshly waxed snatch to that other pollie.

  130. Dr Faustus

    An Anglican bishop has branded the religious statements of Australian rugby union player Israel Folau as hate speech.

    Anglican doctrine treats the Bible a guideline, not literal truth – a sort of Chinese menu where you can pick and choose the bits that float your boat. The concepts of Hell and damnation are metaphors for unhappiness and “being alone with yourself for ever“. All negotiable, and certainly not the catastrophic end point of the fundies and clappers.

    Dr Harvey knows exactly that this significant doctrinal difference exists.
    Which makes the bishops’ utterance dick-speak.

  131. feelthebern

    Dr Harvey sounds like a bishop, much in the way Pat Power was a bishop.

  132. stackja

    I assume all the media releases regarding Israel Folau are written by Arts degree in communications graduates.

  133. Roger

    A Quiet Australian
    #3057933, posted on June 26, 2019 at 12:50 pm

    Welcome, Quiet Aussie.

  134. notafan

    Inclusion

    Christians do not exclude gays or anyone else from playing netball or working or anything else, that I know of (well we Catholics exclude them from Holy Communion if they are not in a state of grace)

    We simply say that homosexual acts are sinful, as are many others on the list at 1 Corintians 6 9-10.

    Part of the problem here is a great big bag of stupid.

    All atheists should be like DrBG and not be concerned about the fires of hell.

  135. feelthebern

    KD, as the Cats most vocal fornicator, were you offended by the Izzy post?

  136. notafan

    Dr Harvey is another Spong Christian

  137. Leigh Lowe

    stackja
    #3058010, posted on June 26, 2019 at 2:14 pm
    I assume all the media releases regarding Israel Folau are written by Arts degree in communications graduates.

    Yeah, masters of double speak.
    The Suncorp one was loaded with ambiguity.
    Lots of vague “diversity and inclusion”.
    If tackled by the Gaystapo, they will be supporting gay rights.
    If accused of nobbling Maria Folau, they will say they luuurrrv religious freedoms.

  138. notafan

    The Rev’d Tiffany Sparks

    Her fringe is shaped to matche the rims of her glasses.

    #anotherglaringexampleofwhywomencannotbepriests

  139. Roger

    Anglican doctrine treats the Bible a guideline, not literal truth

    Certain Anglican clergy may treat the Bible as a mere guideline but Anglican doctrine has always been that the canonical scriptures are the inspired word of God and therefore the source of faith (de fide; what is to be believed).

  140. stackja

    Underworld killer Faruk Orman’s mercy petition backed in wake of Lawyer X
    Anthony Dowsley, Herald Sun
    June 26, 2019 12:41pm
    Subscriber only

    EXCLUSIVE: Victoria’s Attorney-General Jill Hennessy has sensationally referred a gangland murder conviction to the Court of Appeal, saying the police’s use of Lawyer X Nicola Gobbo as an informer may have led to a miscarriage of justice.

    Getaway driver Faruk Orman was convicted of the murder of hitman and drug dealer Victor Peirce in Port Melbourne in 2002.

    Orman submitted a petition of mercy to the Attorney-General in February this year.

  141. Liberty quote –
    Participation is the essence of democracy.

  142. Chief Executive Rob Solomon [GoFundMe] said Folau’s original request for donations was flagged as “high risk” within hours of going live with donations refunded in full.

    I refuse to accept this crap. This company accepted close to a quarter of a million dollars before pulling the plug. He implies that refunds were immediately made – yet we only received notification this morning that our donation would be refunded within “3-7 business days” – and this was only after we sent a complaint about the breach of an acceptance of our money given “in good faith”, & the deduction of an unauthorised $30 “tip” from our account.

  143. Leigh Lowe

    James Jefferies is married with Children.

    So is Elton John.

  144. feelthebern

    James Jefferies is married with Children.

    So is Christopher Pyne.

  145. None

    Thanks for that video Tom. I’ve long known of Tucker Carlson and I’ve watch one or two items over the years but I’ve paid more attention to him recently and I’m beginning to really like him even if I really don’t understand his hair. I laughed out loud when he accused us politicians of doing nothing while in “the fog of libertarianism” while freedoms are being eroded by big tech.

  146. Leigh Lowe

    Getaway driver Faruk Orman was convicted of the murder of hitman and drug dealer Victor Peirce in Port Melbourne in 2002.

    Anyone who was involved in offing Peirce should get an Order of Australia.

  147. Leigh Lowe

    Izzy TwoMeg Lotto.
    I am predicting he will break $2 million at 6:40 pm tonight.

  148. Roger

    Peter Singer & a lesbian academic come out for Folau.

    And the ACL’s donation page has now been publicised on a conservative US website.

  149. None

    We have received neither email nor refund from gofundme.

  150. Des Deskperson

    The ABC last night was celebrating the 50th birthday of this organisation, of which I had never had before:

    https://www.humanities.org.au

    The Australian Academy of the Humanities “is the national body for the humanities in Australia, championing the contribution humanities, arts and culture make to national life.’ One of its roles is the anointing of ‘Fellows’, ‘distinguished individuals elected by their peers in recognition of the excellence and impact of their scholarship and practice.’

    Most of these ‘Fellows’ are obscure but doubtless worthy academics, but the Academy also, er, honours some of the usual suspects, including: Phillip Adams, Robyn Archer, Kate Greville, Barry Jones, ‘Tom’ Keneally, David Marr, Tim Minchin, Henry Reynolds, Peter Singer and Tim Winton.

    Apart from allowing people like theses people to append ‘FAHA’ to their names, the value that the Academy adds isn’t clear, mainly lending its name to various university conferences and symposia, A forthcoming treat is the UNE’s ‘Forgive me’ is all that you can say’ symposium’, ‘an interdisciplinary and cross-cultural discussion of the roles of apology and forgiveness in post-conflict justice and reconciliation.’

    The Academy has an annual income of around $1.5 million. Most of it appears to come from the pocket of the taxpayer.

  151. None

    Ok is he 2 mil lottery I have no idea let’s see I’m going 4.08 p.m. EST

  152. Incidentally, there is an irony to this persecution of Folau for his evangelism. I have rarely seen such a flurry of references to Christian theology in the media and in the public square. Non practising Christians are suddenly rediscovering biblical passages.

    There is something uplifting about a young man who actually stands for something in the face of a metaphorical stoning.

  153. Leigh Lowe

    Human aural Mogadon Allan Fels on Sky talking about insurance.
    Scintillating.

  154. feelthebern

    Lawyer X Nicola Gobbo as an informer may have led to a miscarriage of justice.

    Every single person ever convicted of anything that Gobbo touched needs to be freed immediately, that convicted expunged, and damages paid.
    Every single copper that that knew of it must be sacked immediately & have their pensions cancelled.
    Just because they are all gang land characters doesn’t mean the cops get a pass.

  155. None

    It shouldn’t weird you out First Trader because the story of Jesus, the gospel story, is a universal one. Jesus an innocent God-fearing J-w was executed by a combination of political expediency and mob rule. It’s the story of Our Lives. Big difference: Jesus Christ came back from the dead. Christians believe that they are united with Christ by faith and therefore they will rise again too.

  156. feelthebern

    Jesus Christ came back from the dead.

    Jesus Christ 2. Back For Vengeance.

  157. None

    Indeed Vicki. In a strange way I hope Izzy is kind of paving the way for Pell’s acquittal. The media will have zero credibility by then after the way they have gone after Izzy, Maria and the punters.

  158. pete m

    News dot com dot au have an Izzy poll up but as usual their IT have f’d up the coding and only 1 question could register a vote.

  159. Knuckle Dragger

    Appreciate the Dorothy Dixer bern.

    I’ve got at least five of the quote’s list covered, as well as finding out about another one post-event. No I’m not offended, if for no other reason that I’m hopeful of returning in the next life as Darth Vader.

    These are the man’s beliefs, and moreso they are the same beliefs that have underpinned the flourishing of Western civilisation for 1800 years or so. I don’t think that’s a coincidence, nor do I think it’s coincidental that the land believed to be the Garden of Eden is now populated by cavemen, sand and camel shit.

    I’m rehashing a lot of what’s been said by others here, but it is the case that an unelected mob of poseurs have, in a flat sprint to peak idiocy have determined that the term ‘inclusive’ not only includes the poofery mob (who in my experience are the least inclusive and most intolerant people on Earth) but excludes the mob whose Christianity is the most inclusive religion anywhere.

    Christianity’s major competitor’s textbook, on the other hand is an instruction manual on killing unbelievers, how to kill them, how to subjugate your women and how many stones you can use to wipe your arse with.

    When the fat Magdas start barking at this stone agfe death cult, I might take notice. Until then, they can stop lecturing Folau, and everyone else who wants to live normal lives.

  160. Beertruk

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3057831, posted on June 26, 2019 at 11:14 am
    Scotch whisky bosses leave sour taste by deciding that the spirit can now be aged in barrels previously used for tequila

    SACRILEGE!!!!!! HERESY!!!!!

    Also I found out that some whisky brewers are using old bourbon barrels from the Sates as well.

  161. Knuckle Dragger

    Captain Obvious.

    ‘stone AGE death cult’

    Duh.

  162. Dr Faustus

    Anglican doctrine has always been that the canonical scriptures are the inspired word of God and therefore the source of faith (de fide; what is to be believed).

    For sure – but interpreted by reason.

  163. Old School Conservative

    stackja
    #3058010, posted on June 26, 2019 at 2:14 pm
    I assume all the media releases regarding Israel Folau are written by Arts degree in communications graduates.

    Almost right.
    There was only 1 media release. All others have simply been copy/paste jobs with just the company name changed.

  164. Roberto

    pete m
    #3058037, posted on June 26, 2019 at 2:43 pm
    News dot com dot au have an Izzy poll up but as usual their IT have f’d up the coding and only 1 question could register a vote.

    Yes, I tried to vote and it didn’t accept my answer. On either question. Funny that.

  165. Perth Trader

    None….I’m weird ‘d out because of the similar story here. I’m actually inclined to curb my drinking, gambling and fornicating. {notice I said ‘curb’ and not ‘stop’}.

  166. Steve trickler

    To all staff @Our-ABC.

    For your viewing pleasure.



  167. stackja

    Gillian Triggs: Why we need the Israel Folau case to go to court

    The debate over Israel Folau has become quite vicious and ill-informed. We need to test his comments in court because Australians do not understand our own rights, writes Gillian Triggs
    Gillian Triggs, The Daily Telegraph
    Subscriber only

    13 minutes ago

    I have become concerned with the direction in which the debate has turned regarding the protection of religious expression along with the right to a freedom of speech in common law.

    Australians do not seem to have a great deal of understanding of the law and the questions regarding the law has turned into ones of morality and ethics.

    When is comes to Israel Folau, the nature of the debate really is quite vicious and ill-informed. Freedom of religious expression is protected in the constitution.

    The question that will be asked in the courts is can an employment contract restrict these fundamental rights and is losing your job as a consequence of this disproportionate of the reasonable requirement of rugby Australia to have values.

    I do not know which way the courts will go on this but they may very well say employers cannot restrict these fundamental rights. Other judges might say you cannot have abusive language of this kind. However, people in the Twitter world have raised section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act as being an issue for Folau but there is no such legislation in that act which prevents abuse on the grounds of sexual discrimination.

  168. Old School Conservative

    Richo’s incoherent piece in the Oz led me to comment with a list of Richo’s scandals. I said Israel and Maria had no such rap sheet.
    Comment rejected.

    Are the mods running interference for Richo?

  169. stackja

    And that is why Australia needs to courts to make a ruling.

    We need clarity and for this to be set out in a clear manner because Australians simply do not understand their own legal system or what rights they have.

    This is why I have advocated for a charter of rights to be produced.

    The problem with what I am seeing on social media in reaction to the new fundraiser, which is raising even more than the first one, is that arguments are being formed based on highly personal, emotional, moral or ethical views and you find the discussion slips away and there are no benchmarks.

    It is all bundled up in factors unrelated to the law.

    When you get the Twitter world raging on these issues you get highly vicious responses which are not only unhelpful, but unjustified.

    Especially when there is every reason to think this man is genuine in his beliefs. Even though almost all of us say his comments are wrong, the key point is that he is acting in good faith and how far does that right of religious expression from the constitution go towards protecting him?

    When it comes to Maria Folau, It concerns me it is part of what we see in a great deal of public bullying.

    It is a very complex issue but we have growing levels of growing bullying, particularly against women and there are more examples of this happening.

    Once a woman is in any kind of public role there is a tendency to take her down, whether she is a sporting person or a political person there is a growing voice bullying those women hoping they will be denigrated.

    The question in this case is does an employer have a right to impose values and standards on their employees where that might conflict with their fundamental rights.

    We are dealing with an issue of enormous complexity and we are directly mixing up the protection of religious expression and the right to freedom of speech in common law with an employment contract.

  170. stackja

    So the legal question really crystallises into whether or not an employer, government or private, can restrict the right of someone to exercise to exercise their right of free speech or religious expression.

    Yes, words have consequences and parliament may need to consider whether legislation should be introduced to prohibit abuse of those of a different sexual orientation to reflect community values of respect and equality before the law. My view is that we need a charter of rights to set out freedoms and responsibilities so that we are all better informed

    But I can’t see any reason in a free society that raising funds to test Israel Folau’s case in the courts is wrong.

    Gillian Triggs is a former President of the Australian Human Rights Commission

  171. None….I’m weird ‘d out because of the similar story here. I’m actually inclined to curb my drinking, gambling and fornicating

    I kid you not – lots of undisclosed past epiphanies being aired suddenly. Maybe the corporatised cyber culture becoming too much for some…they yearn for better days.

  172. Top Ender

    Steve Dunleavy: toast to a headline act

    MARK DAY

    Steven Francis Patrick Aloysius Dunleavy is dead, aged 81. How he managed to achieve such an age is beyond comprehension, especially by physicians, given that he consumed enough vodka to float the Russian Federation.

    Yet alcohol was but a small part Steve Dunleavy’s extraordinary life as a journalist beyond peer. He began his career at Sydney’s Daily Mirror in 1952 and retired from the New York Post in 2008. His death at his home on Long Island on Monday is a full point to the golden age of newspapers.

    No one on this planet epitomised the hard-drinking, hard-driving, relentless, scoop! scoop! scoop! news reporter from the old school as did Dunleavy. He inspired the mad reporter played by Robert Downey Jr in Oliver Stone’s movie Natural Born Killers and was inducted last year into Australia’s Media Hall of Fame.

    Rupert Murdoch’s success in the US was, in part, based on Dunleavy’s exploits. A man of enormous charm, in 1977 he convinced three of Elvis Presley’s bodyguards to spill all about their boss’s bizarre eating habits and degenerating health.

    He cobbled together a book, Elvis: What Happened? Three days before publication, Elvis died. Murdoch’s new supermarket ­tabloid, The Star, serialised the book and put on a million in ­circulation.

    Later, the rival National Enquirer announced it had bought the rights and would publish excerpts from Judith Exner’s book about her affair with president John F. Kennedy.

    Dunleavy vanished for three days and returned with a copy of the book, which had been held under Fort Knox-like security. The Star scooped the Enquirer and put on another million in sales.

    Murdoch yesterday acknowledged Dunleavy’s contribution, describing him as “one of the greatest reporters of all time”.

    Dunleavy learned his trade in Sydney in the 1950s. He began work at the Mirror in the same year Murdoch inherited Adelaide’s The News. One of his most famous exploits, on which his legend is built, came from that period. He was pitted against his father, also named Steve, who worked as a photographer on rival Sydney newspaper The Sun.

    As they were covering a story about a missing hiker in the Blue Mountains, young Steve feared his dad would get his pictures back to the office in time to scoop him, so he slashed the tyres of his father’s car.

    Dunleavy told the story many times but often chose to leave out the revenge chapter, though he confessed it to The New Yorker.

    When they were both chasing a story about the Kingsgrove Slasher, young Steve found a laundry where he thought the offender was hiding.

    “I went in, hoping to catch him single-handedly,” he said, “only to hear the deadbolt snap behind me. My father had locked me in. I was trapped for hours.

    “When I got out I went home and said, ‘Dad, you could have got me fired.’ And he said, ‘Remember the Blue Mountains.’ ”

    Dunleavy left Sydney before Murdoch took over the Mirror in 1960. He headed for a life of adventure, starting in Hong Kong. His exploits there and in Tokyo mostly involved drink, women, police and, ultimately, immigration authorities.

    He beat a tactical retreat to London, via Spain, and then to New York, where he arrived destitute in 1966. He worked fill-in shifts for United Press International before being hired for the News Limited New York bureau.

    It was there that I met him in March 1968, the start of a 51-year friendship. Most of our work involved writing North American news with an Australian slant for Murdoch’s Australian papers, but that was not enough for Steve. He sought to make his own news.

    One of his scoops for Sydney’s Sunday Mirror was an interview with Albert DeSalvo, aka the Boston Strangler. Steve learned that DeSalvo was allowed one visitor a month in prison, so he applied to visit — and got the interview.

    “Simple,” he said. “If you don’t ask, you don’t get the yarn.”

    Others were not quite as simple. Most involved drink and/or sex, some of it quite unfit for a family publication, as we used to say. There is no way I can gild this lily; to many women Steve was sex on a stick.

    I don’t know what it was — the lively, salacious eyes, the bouffant hair, the smirk, the charming patter or the widely rumoured size of his member, but whatever, Steve was not legendary for his journalism alone.

    He had a “whatever it takes” ­approach to newsgathering.

    After Teddy Kennedy drove off a bridge in Chappaquiddick in 1969, killing Mary Jo Kopechne and his own presidential ambitions, Dunleavy swam against strong currents in a channel between an island and the mainland to test Kennedy’s story.

    “I did it because I’m from Bondi, and I could,” he said.

    On the same story, he wined, dined and seduced one of the “boiler room girls” at the fatal party with Kennedy to get the inside story. Any guilt he may have felt was put aside for the story — a habit born of “little deceptions” such as identifying himself as a police officer or a funeral director, or dressing in what looked like a doctor’s uniform to get into a hospital to interview crime victims and their families. Nothing could divert him from the story and he told them in a breathless, staccato style borrowed from the barnstorming years of American press barons Hearst and Pulitzer.

    He was bemused by criticism of the Post’s famous headline, HEADLESS BODY IN TOPLESS BAR. “What should we have said?” he asked. “Decapitated cerebellum in tavern of ill repute?”

    Perhaps the most famous of Dunleavy’s indiscretions occurred in the snow outside the Upper East Side media bar of choice, Elaine’s. He had lustful thoughts about the Norwegian fiancee of an Australian reporter and was delighted to discover the feeling was mutual. So they found a quiet spot in a snowstorm outside, not knowing or caring they could be observed from another bar across the street.

    The Daily Mail’s George Gordon told The New Yorker: “As we were watching, a snow plough came up the street and ran over Dunleavy’s foot.

    “The entire bar was in uproarious laughter, but Dunleavy was so loaded (with vodka) it didn’t ­matter.”

    Eventually Dunleavy was taken to hospital with a broken foot, prompting rival journalist Pete Hamill to say: “I hope it wasn’t his writing foot.”

    While Dunleavy was a famous byline in Australia, he was little known in America until he began writing a hard-hitting column for the Star. His right-wing views, genuinely held, struck a chord with the kind of Americans who were, decades later, to vote for ­Donald Trump.

    He was named American of the Year by one organisation that failed to twig he was actually an Australian. As a reporter for A Current Affair on Murdoch’s fledgling Fox network, he became a household name in the US, remembered for his feisty persona and his impossibly coiffured hair.

    He spent a decade on the ­program, which introduced ­Americans to the tabloid television genre, and many of his outrageous exploits in front of and behind the camera were recorded in producer Burt Kearns’s book Tabloid Baby.

    Dunleavy responded in a Post column, saying: “Of course, I normally would have sued the son-of-a-gun for what he wrote about me, but I can’t — it’s all doggone true.”

    Dunleavy’s columns delighted — and sometimes enraged — Post readers. Most were dictated from the now defunct Langan’s bar, across the street from the Post’s offices, where he sat beneath an engraved glass portrait of himself.

    Such is the stuff of legends. They don’t make reporters like Dunleavy any more, and if they did, he would be howled down for his politically incorrect antics. And the game of newspapering has changed so much that it would probably be hard for Steve to find a place today.

    But that does not in any way diminish the ultimate accolade, offered by former Post editor Ken Chandler: “You put him on a story and he just goes until he gets it. It’s the old way of doing things. I wish I had a newsroom of Dunleavys.”

    Well may we wish, but there won’t be any more. The golden years have gone.

    Link – Oz

  173. notafan

    but there is no such legislation in that act which prevents abuse on the grounds of sexual discrimination.

    What ‘sexual discrimination’ abuse?

  174. Buccaneer

    News ltd poll On Folau case You might need to open it in Chrome

  175. Perth Trader

    Vicki…..my gambling , drinking and fornicating were my ‘best’ days. I regret nothing. Age, family commitments and the love of a very good woman made me see the error of my ways.

  176. Freedom of religious expression is protected in the constitution.
    ……The question that will be asked in the courts is can an employment contract restrict these fundamental rights
    [Gillian Triggs]

    I must say that I have always thought that you cannot sign away your rights. In this case – rights protected by our own Constitution, and also by Sect 18 of the UN Declaration of Human Rights.

  177. and the love of a very good woman made me see the error of my ways

    Well said, Perth Trader!

  178. Perth Trader

    AWWWWWW….I’m gettin’ all weepy now,…….nah, not really.

  179. Stackja:

    This is why I have advocated for a charter of rights to be produced.

    Just what we need – a Charter of our rights spearheaded by a woman who abandoned her child because ‘too much effort’. A woman who said ‘Regrettably, people can still say what they like around the kitchen table.’
    Even the Soviet Union had a Bill of Rights – look where that got them.
    Gillian Triggs is the living embodiment of “Things only an intellectual is stupid or duplicitous to believe.”
    I wouldn’t trust that woman as far as I could spit a dead rat.

  180. Diogenes

    Beertruk,
    Try nearly all barrels these days are ex bourbon barrels, as under local purity laws the barrels have to be new for bourbon manufacture, there is a virtual glut. Even jamaican rum makers are using bourbon barrels

  181. notafan

    we don’t need a bill of rights

    We need our legal system to confirm that freedom of religion and freedom to express our religious beliefs can’t be taken from us by bully employers

    We need our politicians to stand up and say it too

  182. The Quiet Farmer

    Just sent this to the PM’s link.
    “Firstly, I congratulate you on your election victory. I believe this nation has been given a reprieve that we must make use of.
    Sadly those of the left progressive persuasion seem intent of demolishing what little credibility they have left with the quiet Australians who supported you. The current vilification of Israel and Maria Folau, and this morning Israels father, by the media, corporations and Rugby Australia has been sickening to observe.
    I understand Rugby Australia received some $28million of taxpayer funds from the federal government. If this is true, do you as Prime Minister, believe we are receiving value for money?”

  183. Mother Lode

    Australians do not seem to have a great deal of understanding of the law and the questions regarding the law has turned into ones of morality and ethics.

    Australians have a pretty good sense of justice, and where law differs it is law that fails. It is why laws are amended, not people (much to the chagrin of SJWs).

    Lawyers like Triggs have little truck with the justice bit, but law is her training, utlising its just and unjust components.

    And even then she still cocked up as HRC, not in the pursuit of justice but where she failed to use the law to get injustice for, inter alia, the QUT kids.

    Triggsy dear, your opinion on Folau was neither requested or needed. It adds nothing. Why proffer it?

  184. feelthebern

    Triggs thinks Izzy’s case needs to be heard by a court to decide.
    Wrong.
    Those fuckers in Canberra & Macquarie street in this case, need to legislate protections ASAP so Izzy doesn’t need to go to court.
    Triggs is a fvckwit.

  185. custard

    Good to see you still lurking Perth Trader. Hope you are well.

  186. dover_beach

    Right, They’re Degenerates, But For The Left: Well, that’s a relief. They’re not just common street perverts. They’ve got theory behind them.

    Read the whole thing.

    Remind me again why Bolsonaro is so wrong? Look, I’m prepared to believe that he’s a dangerous demagogue, but everything about this Guardian story makes me sympathetic to Bolsonaro, not these so-called artists.

    These clowns remind me of the crackpot artist collective Voina, who protested against Putin protege Dmitri Medvedev in 2008 by having ritual group sex in a Moscow museum. They really think this kind of thing hurts the right-wing politicians they target. I can’t comprehend why. I honestly can’t.

    What a world.

  187. candy

    Gillian Triggs could hardly say one thing about the Folau case and another if it involved a Muslim player in some situation. She is thinking ahead.

  188. None

    Good mood Quiet Farmer. I think I should drop our prime minister a note too.

  189. Atoms for Peace

    I thought too much boozing prevented performance grade fornication. Maybe the participation certificate will suffice for the road trip to hell.

  190. “dover_beach
    #3058069, posted on June 26, 2019 at 3:45 pm”

    Thanks Dover…repugnant….I’m now just waiting for the theories to emerge supporting Peter Filia….I don’t think that’s far off.

    Kind of makes me look forward to the caliphate.

  191. Perth Trader

    Hello Custard…nice to see you too. Its to wet and chilly outside , plus the Izzy case has 90% of my attention. I’m by nature a ‘live and let live’ kind of person, so long as my rights and freedom are not imposed on. But I guess rights and freedom are whats being debated this week.

  192. rickw

    we don’t need a bill of rights

    Agree, what we really need is a 2nd Amendment, the underwriter of everything else.

  193. Knuckle Dragger

    Ripping stuff.

    Bomber Thompson fronted court today over being a complete fuckstick.

    According to his evidence, he was upset at the way Essendon had been treated during the doping schemozzle, and was at home one day watching Youtube clips and trading bitcoin online when a large muscular bikie he didn’t know knocked on his door.

    And offered him ice. Which he took.

    After which the bikie moved in, bringing with him all the different drugs the jacks found when they kicked the door in.

    Wrong place, wrong time. It all happened so fast, Yer Honour.

  194. Knuckle Dragger

    Ritual group sex?

    In a museum?

    Why was I not informed?

  195. BrettW

    The VC travel allowance was brought in by Tim Fischer after he heard that fund raising organisations who invited VC recipients were paying for their travel expenses. At the time there were three remaining VC’s (Payne, Kenna and Roden Cutler).

    At that time they were a good 30-40 years older than the current Afghanistan VC’s.

    The money is probably not that significant, especially compared to the politicians travel and accommodation rorts.

    No problem if they are helping with fundraising etc or attend various military functions (ie. at AWM or Western Front) etc where their attendance is purely due to their VC. Obviously should not apply if they are giving a speach where they are being paid.

  196. Infidel Tiger

    According to his evidence, he was upset at the way Essendon had been treated during the doping schemozzle, and was at home one day watching Youtube clips and trading bitcoin online when a large muscular bikie he didn’t know knocked on his door.

    Strangely everyone remembers him being a huge druggy while he was at Geelong.

  197. Infidel Tiger

    we don’t need a bill of rights

    Worst possible thing we could have.

  198. C.L.

    Triggs wants a so-called Bill of Rights because she wants critics of homosexuals to be jailed.
    No other reason. I checked out that news.com series of “polls” above and pretty obviously the anti-Folau results are being rigged by staff.

  199. C.L.

    From the people leading the charge against Folau:
    The ABC explains why they can say whatever they like and they’ll go to court make that case:
    Why the ABC is going to court over police raids.
    They don’t need GoFundMe because WeFundEm.
    —————–
    Earlier at the ABC: The Israel Folau saga is not about freedom of religion.
    Yes it is. But the ABC raid saga is not about freedom of the press.

  200. Infidel Tiger

    Can you imagine a 2019 Bill of Rights?

    The old jokes about “as long as they don’t make it compulsory” won’t seem so funny.

  201. Infidel Tiger

    Former defence minister Christopher Pyne has joined the payroll of big four consulting firm EY to beef up its opportunity to win business amid a $200 billion government investment program.

    How many times do I have to show you that corporatism is the greatest evil we have ever faced?

  202. zyconoclast

    Fom that Simon Longfellow person

    Folau must have known that labelling hom0s3xuals (among others) as sinners destined for Hell would be incendiary — and risk damaging Rugby Australia.
    After all, this was not the first time he had been vocal in his views. In the end, his choice was between what he understood to be his duty to his employer and what he understood to be his duty to his God. Folau chose to put his religion first.
    Conscience is not a convenient friend. It often comes with consequences; some good, some ill.
    Neither Rugby Australia nor GoFundMe has silenced Folau. He is still acting and speaking in accordance with his religious beliefs. He is still able to raise funds for his defence — as demonstrated by the swift offer of support provided by the Australian Christian Lobby. Folau still has a public platform — which he continues to utilise, as is his right.
    Kicked out of the temple, Israel Folau remains free to preach in the marketplace.

    Folau is fortunate.
    Any other ‘ordinary’ person would not have the public forum and fund raising ability.

    Longfellow believes it is just and fair they should suffer. You know, consequences.

  203. Old Lefty

    An unexpected source of support from, of all people, Peter Singer: he said that Folau no more expressed hate for homosexuals than a medic advising against smoking is expressing hate for smokers.

    And as formthebAB ‘s tame ‘ethicist’ Longstaff: everyone is entitled to freedom of religion and belief as long as they never open their mouths about it.

  204. notafan

    What disappoints me is that no-one is jumping up and down about Folua’s offensive words about Catholic theology.

    Surely someone had some hurty feelings about that that need a vigorous defence by Magda and the rest of them?

  205. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Homenation

    Justine Ruszczyk Damond family split record $20m payout

    By Aap
    AAP
    An hour ago June 26, 2019
    No Comments

    A US judge has approved the record $US20 million ($AU 28.71 million) payout to the family and lawyers of murdered Australian life coach Justine Ruszczyk Damond, with her brother receiving $US5.7 million ($AU 8.18 million) and father $US5 million ($AU 7.17 million).

    Ms Damond, 40, was shot dead by Minneapolis police officer Mohamed Noor in 2017 after she called 911 to report a possible rOpe in an alley behind her home. Noor was found guilty in a Minneapolis court in April of third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter and was sentenced to 12.5 years’ prison. The family filed a $US50 million ($AU 71.79) civil lawsuit last year and just days after Noor was found guilty by the jury in the criminal trial the city of Minneapolis agreed to pay $US20 million ($AU 28.71 million).

    Minneapolis District court Judge Mary Vasaly on Tuesday approved the settlement to Ms Damond’s brother Jason Ruszczyk and father John Ruszczyk.

    Ms Damond’s fiance Don Damond will also receive $US1 million ($AU 1.43 million). John Ruszczyk told the court although Mr Damond was not legally next-of-kin the family wanted him to receive some of the settlement.

    The couple was set to marry in a ceremony in Hawaii just weeks after the shooting and his devastation at losing his future wife was evident when he testified at the trial.

    The family’s Minneapolis lawyer, Robert Bennett, will receive $US4.9 million ($AU 7.03 million) in legal fees and two other lawyers will pocket $US700,000 ($AU 1.005 million) each. The Minneapolis Foundation will also receive $US2 million ($AU 2.87 million) in an initiative aimed at ending gun violence

    From the Oz.

  206. thefrollickingmole

    C.L.
    #3058084, posted on June 26, 2019 at 4:17 pm
    Triggs wants a so-called Bill of Rights because she wants critics of homosexuals to be jailed.

    Shes weaseling like a greased weasel in the weasel Olympics.

    She wants to see law carefully crafted with a few bit “But” points of her own choosing left in.

    Its pretty well standard any time you qualify something with “but” ignore everything said before that word.

  207. zyconoclast

    “We appreciate the complexities of the Folau matter and acknowledge that views do differ in the community, however, we do not support Maria Folau’s stance on this matter,” an HCF spokesman said, according to Nine Media.

    “There is no place in our society for discrimination of any kind, including on the basis of gender, religious belief, age, race or sexual orientation.”

    Do they discriminate against preexisting conditions?

  208. stackja

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3058078, posted on June 26, 2019 at 4:06 pm

    AFL coach Mark Thompson smoked ice with bikie housemate: court

    Mark “Bomber” Thompson has revealed the depths of his despair after the Essendon supplement scandal, saying his life was in ruins when a “charming” bikie knocked on his door and lured him into ice abuse.
    Genevieve Alison, Herald Sun
    Subscriber only

    an hour ago

    Mark “Bomber” Thompson has revealed how his guilt over the Essendon drug saga left his life in ruins and led to him smoking ice with a bikie.

    Thompson, 55, fronted the Melbourne Magistrates’ Court today to clear his name over alleged drug trafficking offences — namely MDMA.

    Thompson said his love of the game had been “left in ruins” following the Essendon drug saga in 2012 — something he has never gotten over, he told the court.

    “Everything I believed in … was just in ruins,” Thompson said.

    “I just couldn’t believe we could do that to a group of young men. I think about it every day … I’m still not over it.”

    The fallen footy legend said he was smoking ice, watching YouTube videos and spending up to 12 hours a day trading bitcoin in his Port Melbourne home by himself in 2017.

    Thompson has revealed how bikie and drug trafficker Thomas Windsor knocked on his door in late 2017 and lured him into smoking the drug.

  209. stackja

    Meanwhile:

    Israel Folau $1,892,102.11 raised

  210. Bruce of Newcastle

    “There is no place in our society for discrimination of any kind, including on the basis of gender, religious belief, age, race or sexual orientation.”

    So why are they discriminating on the basis of religious belief then?

  211. Beertruk

    “I’ll take ‘Things That Never Happened’ for $1.7mn and counting thanks, Alex”.

    I wonder what the leftard brain explosion would be if George Pell had a Izzy donation style legal funds campaign?

  212. stackja

    Has HCF surveyed members? Or is HCF media relations just running its own show?

  213. Bruce of Newcastle

    Former defence minister Christopher Pyne has joined the payroll of big four consulting firm EY

    Another fallen angel eh?

    Amakudari (天下り amakudari, “descent from heaven”) is the institutionalized practice where Japanese senior bureaucrats retire to high-profile positions in the private and public sectors. The practice was increasingly viewed as corrupt and a drag on unfastening the ties between private sector and state which prevent economic and political reforms.

  214. Knuckle Dragger:

    Ritual group sex?
    In a museum?
    Why was I not informed?

    Be careful, KD.
    That is not a place for a timid freckle….

  215. Knuckle Dragger

    I’ll have a supersized Amakudari, thanks.

    Oh, I’m not a senior bureaucrat?

    Did I mention I’m a frightful poove?

    Thank you. The corner office will be fine.

  216. Tintarella di Luna

    A tick (not rainbow) over $1.9m

  217. Knuckle Dragger

    Sounds like the voice of experience Winston.

    Dark horse!

  218. Farmer Gez

    A Quiet Australian.
    The Quiet Farmer.

    What’s next, The Quiet American?

  219. Tintarella di Luna

    Mark “Bomber” Thompson has revealed the depths of his despair after the Essendon supplement scandal, saying his life was in ruins when a “charming” bikie knocked on his door and lured him into ice abuse.

    He needs to contritely repent and then go and sin no more the silly fellow

  220. Infidel Tiger:

    Former defence minister Christopher Pyne has joined the payroll of big four consulting firm EY to beef up its opportunity to win business amid a $200 billion government investment program.

    I’m puzzled.
    We already have a government spending program, which is in tune to about $800 Billion, that we don’t seem to be able to pay off.
    Why in Gods name do we have to add another $200 Billion?
    If the first $200 Billion didn’t fix things up, then the next $200 Billion didn’t fix things up, and then the next $200 Billion didn’t fix things up, and yet another $200 Billion didn’t fix things up, WHY THE FUKKITY FUKK ARE THESE IDIOTS SPENDING YET ANOTHER $200 BILLION?
    Bonobo monkeys are more selective in the things they root.

  221. bespoke

    stackja
    #3057619, posted on June 26, 2019 at 8:18 am
    However, Ms Courtice has started a petition which has since gained almost 1600 signatures demanding legislation be changed to take religion out of state schools.

    I would sign that. Unless I have known someone for a some time I wouldn’t let them near my kid to teach religion. Some numberwang nutter no thank’s.

  222. max

    Certain Anglican clergy may treat the Bible as a mere guideline

    Malcolm Muggeridge said that some clergymen saw the Ten Commandments the way they saw questions on an exam paper: ‘Eight only to be attempted.’

  223. Tel

    However, Ms Courtice has started a petition which has since gained almost 1600 signatures demanding legislation be changed to take religion out of state schools.

    Fine by me. Keep all of the major religions out of state schools and go back to honest skeptical empiricism. Probably the biggest danger right now is Gaia Worship and Climate Science … those should be cracked down on first because they are most deeply entrenched … but hey yeah all the others can get booted from my perspective.

  224. Gab

    $1.9 mil. Dagnabbit! I was sure it would reach $2 mil by 4pm.

  225. zyconoclast

    Wymminses’ soccer is a gift that keeps on giving. I hope they come up against a team of 11 transgender guys.

    She looks like a tranny.

  226. Rococo Liberal

    “There is no place in our society for discrimination of any kind, including on the basis of gender, religious belief, age, race or sexual orientation.”

    What a lot of pious twaddle.
    For a start, the whole point about being anti discrimination is that there are certain things that a person cannot change. People shouldn’t be discriminated against for those things. Religion can be changed. Therefore religion doesn’t belong in the list. However, if it does belong in the list then so does conservative poiltical belief. AFter all religion is merely a set of ideas, a belief system. Conservatism is exactly the same. It is obviously too soemthing that people find it difficult to change. Therefore there should be legal protection for conservative politcal views. There doesn’t need to be any specific protection for left wing views as they are covered in protectings gays, women, islamists etc.

  227. 2dogs

    From the ABC article:

    Any person who truly feels unable to accept those conditions should either not accept an offer of employment or if already part of the organisation, then they should consider resigning in order to find a place of employment better aligned with their moral compass.

    But they missed out an important bit here – the employer has an obligation to negotiate with the employee to determine if an accommodation can be made. For example, if an orthodox jew who gets put an a roster that requires Saturday work, he can only be dismissed after the employer exhausts any possibility of shuffling the roster around other employees to accommodate him.

    Rugby Australia made no attempt at any such negotiations, and they are likely to come unstuck on this in their forthcoming court case.

  228. thefrollickingmole

    The whole Sekta thing is weird.

    Attacking “St Rosie” of the immaculate practice nets = Must be drummed out of society.

    Doing this to your wife
    He called her 25 times and sent 45 text messages in October last year, the court was told.
    He also sent a tirade of abusive messages over four days in December to 3 January.
    Their were images of Walters with Setka with her face blacked out with the intention of “erasing the complainant from their life”, prosecutor senior constable Paul Brookes said.
    “You are a cnut just like the rest of your family,” one of the messages read. Another said, “you are a treacherous Aussie fuckin cnut”.
    Walters made a complaint to police on Boxing Day but the calls and messages continued until early January.

    Then its perfectly fine as long as you wear a white ribbon showing you care….

    That said there is some serious perversions of behavior being tolerated in the ALP/unions, remember right up until St Rosie was profaned the ALP were right behind him.

  229. thefrollickingmole

    Try again with naught words further scrubbed

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jun/26/john-setka-ordered-to-complete-mens-behavioural-program

    The whole Setka thing is weird.

    Attacking “St Rosie” of the immaculate practice nets = Must be drummed out of society.

    Doing this to your wife
    He called her 25 times and sent 45 text messages in October last year, the court was told.
    He also sent a tirade of abusive messages over four days in December to 3 January.
    Their were images of Walters with Setka with her face blacked out with the intention of “erasing the complainant from their life”, prosecutor senior constable Paul Brookes said.
    “You are a c….. just like the rest of your family,” one of the messages read. Another said, “you are a treacherous Aussie fu…..n c……”.
    Walters made a complaint to police on Boxing Day but the calls and messages continued until early January.

    Then its perfectly fine as long as you wear a white ribbon showing you care….

    That said there is some serious perversions of behavior being tolerated in the ALP/unions, remember right up until St Rosie was profaned the ALP were right behind him.

  230. BrettW

    No surprise the victim of Setka turned out to be his wife.

    No surprise the Police watered down the case and dropped most of the charges.

    No surprise $1,000 fine and 1 year good behaviour bond.

    However it is all Boral’s fault for putting him under pressure by accusing him of blackmail.

    Looking forward to somebody in VICPOL or VIC DPP leaking the true extent and evidence that the police had before case was plea bargained to nothing.

    One has to wonder up to what level the decision making process went in this case knowing the notoriety and connections of Setka.

    Yet again VICPOL caved to CFMMEU.

  231. P

    I listened today to the National Press Club address – Press Freedom: On The Line.
    It is now up on iview.

    A question was asked at 47:40 about freedom of religion in regard to Folau.

    Michael Miller (News Corp) spoke about Folau’s rights, and Hugh Marks (Nine CEO) agreed but then stated ‘I don’t think this Folau case is about freedom of speech, it’s a contractual dispute, a contractual dispute between him and his employer’.

  232. feelthebern

    He called her 25 times and sent 45 text messages in October last year, the court was told.
    He also sent a tirade of abusive messages over four days in December to 3 January.

    My ex sent me over 8000 messages during a 9 month period, all abusive, a lot of threatened violence.
    The family court didn’t much care about them.
    Neither did the police.

  233. BrettW

    I am intrigued by Setka calling her “treacherous Aussie ……”. Is it me or is he using Aussie in a derogatory sense? Including Aussie just seems weird. Is he not Aussie himself ?

  234. feelthebern

    Before anyone does the numbers, that’s about 30 messages a day on average.

  235. 2dogs

    Wasn’t there a problem last year regarding a RoP footballer in Melbourne who refused to wear the team’s guernsey as it carried an endorsement for the team’s sponsor, a brewery. I don’t know what the outcome was, but I congratulate him for taking his stance.

    That was this case, and they allowed him to wear an altered jersey.

  236. feelthebern

    My lawyer thought it would be fun to print them all off, one to a page & wheel them into the court.
    I said no way as they charge you per page of printing & photocopying etc.
    Cheeky bugger.

  237. None

    Izzy should have asked not to wear a quaint ass logo on his jersey

  238. cohenite

    2 good articles on the Izzy situation:

    Whistle blows on morality cops

    Janet Albrechtsen The Australian June 26, 2019

    The treatment of Israel Folau is a solid-gold lesson in how to create a martyr. From Rugby Australia to GoFundMe, censors have turned a small dispute with Folau into a big one about us. Rugby Australia boss Raelene Castle started from a sensible premise when she said diverse views should be respected. In a liberal democracy, we have the freedom to speak, to think for ourselves too, to freely worship different religions and freely gather together also.

    Dignity in Israel Folau’s respectful silence

    Will Swanton The Australian June 26, 2019

    Drew Mitchell is yet to air his frustrations about homelessness, youth suicide, domestic violence, alcoholism, drugs, gambling addiction or any other social issue that may warrant a man’s attention. And yet Israel Folau’s Instagram post and fundraising efforts have him concerned enough to mount a call to arms in an area that requires him to do nothing more than have a whinge.

    Folau’s response? A respectful silence to a former teammate.

    I don’t agree with Izzy’s views – I’m an idolater – but compared to the cucks against him he is a champ.

  239. LOL at you lot obsessing over the Folau stuff. As if he is ever going to win his case. With the ACL running the show that means Lyle Shelton, who is batting 0.000 in the culture wars. That money has as much chance of leading to success as all those wasted donations to the Australian Conservatives.

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