Tuesday Forum: July 2, 2019

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  1. Ellie

    Muddy, what are you trying to say. It appears you’re speaking in tongues.

  2. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Ah

    LOL

    Feminism isn’t about equality.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Rights_Amendment#1960s

    At the Democratic National Convention in 1960, a proposal to endorse the ERA was rejected after it met explicit opposition from liberal groups including the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), the AFL–CIO, labor unions such as the American Federation of Teachers, Americans for Democratic Action (ADA), the American Nurses Association, the Women’s Division of the Methodist Church, and the National Councils of Jewish, Catholic, and Knee Grath Women.[33] The losing side then demanded that presidential candidate John F. Kennedy announce his support of the ERA; he did so in an October 21, 1960, letter to the chairman of the National Woman’s Party.[34] When Kennedy was elected, he made Esther Peterson the highest-ranking woman in his administration as an Assistant Secretary of Labor. Peterson publicly opposed the Equal Rights Amendment based on her belief that it would weaken protective labor legislation.[35] Peterson referred to the National Woman’s Party members, most of them veteran suffragists and preferred the “specific bills for specific ills” approach to equal rights. [35] Ultimately, Kennedy’s ties to labor unions meant that he and his administration did not support the ERA.[36]

    In other words, their same logic in rejecting the ERA would have supported the Jim Crow laws.

    Another funny thing was how the MRAs in the US successfully argued that the (male-only) draft is unconstitutional after the feminists previously argued that military service could not be denied to women.

  3. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Good lord

    Ah…

    LOL

    Feminism isn’t about equality.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Rights_Amendment#1960s

    At the Democratic National Convention in 1960, a proposal to endorse the ERA was rejected after it met explicit opposition from liberal groups including the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), the AFL–CIO, labor unions such as the American Federation of Teachers, Americans for Democratic Action (ADA), the American Nurses Association, the Women’s Division of the Methodist Church, and the National Councils of Care Bear, Catholic, and Knee Grath Women.[33] The losing side then demanded that presidential candidate John F. Kennedy announce his support of the ERA; he did so in an October 21, 1960, letter to the chairman of the National Woman’s Party.[34] When Kennedy was elected, he made Esther Peterson the highest-ranking woman in his administration as an Assistant Secretary of Labor. Peterson publicly opposed the Equal Rights Amendment based on her belief that it would weaken protective labor legislation.[35] Peterson referred to the National Woman’s Party members, most of them veteran suffragists and preferred the “specific bills for specific ills” approach to equal rights. [35] Ultimately, Kennedy’s ties to labor unions meant that he and his administration did not support the ERA.[36]

    In other words, their same logic in rejecting the ERA would have supported the Jim Crow laws.

    Another funny thing was how the MRAs in the US successfully argued that the (male-only) draft is unconstitutional after the feminists previously argued that military service could not be denied to women.

  4. Ellie

    No mocking Ellie.

    Last time MrsD scoffed that I “just” had the man-flu I ended up at the doctor and on serious medication.

    You were prescribed medication, Doomlord, Master, Sir?
    That sounds serious!
    Harden up! You boys are so soft.

  5. Ellie

    Oh my goodness. It appears everyone has gone to bed. I may have to amuse myself.

  6. Sinclair Davidson

    Ellie! I was on my death bed.

    Man flu is a killer.

  7. mh

    To keep things in perspective, the Matildas got thrashed 7-0 by the Newcastle Jets under-15 boys team. The USA women’s team would have got beaten about 5-0.

    Women soccer players saying they refuse to respect Trump shows they actually believe their publicity.
    Delusional.

  8. Ellie

    Medication for the flu? Oh dear. Poor petal.

  9. cohenite

    Speaking of women, some late night reading:

    Who says a woman can’t win with a sugar daddy arrangement?

    Vanessa de Largie The Spectator Australia 2 July 2019

    Recently, 60 minutes, aired a segment titled: The Secret World of Sugar Babies and Sugar Daddies. As one would expect from vanilla mainstream media — the producers at 60 Minutes decided to make the segment into a judgement call instead of presenting a balanced foray into a mysterious world.

    In the introduction, journalist Sarah Abo manages to age-shame, slut-shame, and throw in a creamy dollop of sexism for good measure. She begins:

    Right now in Australia, there are more than 200,000 young women who have either become, or are trying to be, “sugar babies”. Their ambition is for a sweet life of pampered luxury, paid for by older, sometimes much older, men.

    For the so-called “sugar daddies”, the equation is simple: the wealthier they are, the more attractive they are. The term sugar baby is often code for sex worker, and the moneybag men are often crinkled-up creeps. And that leads to a very important question: is this sugar baby phenomenon about empowering women or exploiting them?

    Pushing Abo’s condescending tone to the side. Can you imagine the outrage that would unfold if a male journalist referred to ‘older women’ as saggy, dried up old bats?

    Since when did it become okay to shame men for simply having the audacity to age? And what’s wrong with greying hair and some character lines? I personally find it sexy and have done since I started masturbating as a teen girl.

    60 Minutes intention was to demonise ‘sugar’ arrangements. The show also implies that women aren’t smart enough to make their own choices and require schooling by those outside the parameters of their own experience.

    It seems Australia has bred a passel of holier-than-thou women who enjoy imposing their definition of ‘female empowerment’ on to others. Female sexuality is frequently reduced. Blokes are perceived as sexually entitled wolves, whilst women are desireless vessels devoid of sexual agency. This is connected to the myth that women spread their legs for love, for intimacy and for commitment but never just for pleasure or money.

    The 60 Minutes sensationalist enquiry into the world of sugar babies and sugar daddies could have been so strong. Instead, the audience received gender biased rubbish.

    Who says a woman can’t participate in a sugar arrangement and not feel empowered? Are we not autonomous beings who know our own minds? What is it with the constant infantilisation of sexual women? I’m so fed up with it. I’m done!

    As it is, hardcore porn is considered degrading to women and somehow only for the male gaze yet the denial of women’s fierce and truculent sexual fantasies is actually a form of censorship.

    #MeToo has screwed with women’s heads so much, that they can no longer decipher between a bumbling sexual experience and a sexual assault.

    And now we want to vilify women who make their own informed choice to enter a sugar arrangement, are you kidding me?

    Abo played the ‘prudish old spinster’ who judges women for taking an unconventional route, then smugly dismisses them with a smirk when they attempt to articulate their personal journeys.

    But the hypocrisy of Abo and female commentators like her — is breathtaking. These women stand up in their supposed ‘feminist power’ calling out structural inequalities and stigmatising sugar babies. Yet they fail to recognise that whoredom surrounds them in their everyday lives.

    Whether you’re a wife, a journalist, a banker, an actress, a celebrity — we all participate in ‘transactions’ every day. Every single one of us is exploited in our battle to get ahead in this shitfight called life.

    I mean a bloke buys his wife a bouquet of flowers to have a tickle between the sheets when the sun goes down. What’s that? It’s a transaction.

    Before singling out sugar babies. Perhaps look around at women in the Australian entertainment industry:

    Do you think male Australian billionaires would get model wives if they were garbage collectors?

    Do you think the trophy wives in Toorak and Peppermint Grove would have married their hubbies if they worked at KFC?

    Do you think AFL sports stars would get cover girls if they were toilet cleaners?

    Do you think anyone would give a rat’s arse about celebrities if they were the homeless on the streets?

    Of course not. So why doesn’t the mainstream media cover the exploitation of these men and women who are participating in the same transactions as sugar babies?

    Just because you’ve managed to hook a rich bloke or a sport’s star. Just because you’ve had the privilege to work in the mainstream media because someone higher up the foodchain bent yoy over and metaphorically fucked you up the arse, (as employers have been doing for years).

    Never fool yourself into believing that you are better than sugar babies and sugar daddies. You’re a whore like the rest of us and you are being exploited.

    Vanessa de Large is a freelance journalist, sex columnist and public speaker that divides her time between London and Melbourne. You can find more of her work on her website.

  10. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Sinclair

    The “man flu” is a real thing. Our immune system “overreacts”, so we can get over the disease quicker than women.

    We are blessed with the hormone of the gods. It can be a high burden to bear.

  11. Steve trickler

    Ellie
    #3098080, posted on July 5, 2019 at 11:10 pm
    Oh my goodness. It appears everyone has gone to bed. I may have to amuse myself.

    Hang on.



  12. Bruce in WA

    Why were you forced?

    Transferred to a place with no pistol club within hundreds of km. WAPOL have no sense of humour.

  13. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    This one’s for military type Cats. I’m grinding the edges off a long day, with several large single malts.

    It seems I’m classified as maimed, crippled and lame, as a result of military service.

    A D.V.A gold card…..thank you..

  14. Sinclair Davidson

    Not medication for flu. Medication to stave off imminent death. Luckily my manly strength allowed me to drag myself off my deathbed and make my way to a medical practitioner who knew and understood the perils of man flu.

  15. Bruce in WA

    A D.V.A gold card…..thank you..

    Well done you. Hard to get. My dad got one … not long after he died 🙁

  16. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Sargon has a great video on Ann Widdecombe:

    David Lammy: “I can’t believe Ann Widdecombe compared Britain to slaves!” Also David Lammy: “Jacob Rees-Mogg? Yeah, he’s definitely a Nazi.”

    Another top comment:

    Farage and his shit eating grin is the best thing I’ve seen all day.

    I love it, she sounds a bit like my Nan.

  17. Ellie

    I would like to stroke your poor man flu ego and wipe your man flu brow, but all hear are violins.
    Sigh

  18. JC

    Ha

    I’m just slumbering out of bed.

  19. Sinclair Davidson

    😪 you’ll all miss me.

    😁

    Mind you I do love violins. Especially when backing up Meatloaf.

  20. Sinclair Davidson

    Morning JC.

    How is New York?

  21. Ellie

    Meatloaf? You took the words right out of my mouth

  22. mh

    JOBS 🇺🇸
    Strong job growth is back: Payrolls jump in June well above expectations

    KEY POINTS
    * Nonfarm payrolls rose 224,000 in June, well above market expectations of 165,000, according to the Labor Department.
    *The unemployment rate hedged higher to 3.7% but was still near 50-year lows.
    *Wage growth was 3.1% year over year, one-tenth of a point below market expectations.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/05/jobs-report-june-2019.html

  23. Sinclair Davidson

    Yes. Yes. Yes.

  24. mh

    Doomlord, why don’t you post your favourite Meatloaf clip – the national anthem.

  25. JC

    Sinc

    Maybe I’m getting old 🙂 it’s been unbearably hot, although today I looks like it will be cloudy and may get some respite with cooler weather. Never coming here in summer.

  26. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Well done you. Hard to get. My dad got one … not long after he died 🙁

    Umm, I can assure you I am still alive and kicking…

  27. MatrixTransform

    What did the Boomers ever do for us?

  28. Ellie

    Matrix, love ACDC! Have posted this before, but this dance to Thunderstruck is pretty cool.
    Thunder

  29. Bruce in WA

    I would do anything for love … but I won’t chew that!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X_ViIPA-Gc

    Remastered, so “sex and drugs and rock and roll” has become “sex and drums and rock and roll”. LOL

  30. Bruce in WA

    Umm, I can assure you I am still alive and kicking…

    Yep, better than Dad.

  31. Bruce in WA

    What did the Boomers ever do for us?

    Ummm, gave birth to you miserable gits??

  32. JC

    This is one of the most fascinating periods in the financial markets I’ve ever experienced. Western economies are generally doing well in a relative sense and long bond yields are so low…and inflation fears also at record lows.

    The fear about recession is or should be somewhat less concerning because the shape of the yield curve beyond 2020 is positive (in the US at least). All good.

    Trump is God.

  33. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    What did the Boomers ever do for us?

    Far more then the whinging generations that followed.

    “What do we want?

    Everything!!!!

    When do we want it?

    NOW!!!!”

  34. MatrixTransform

    sorry, not very politically correct.
    I wasn’t brought up, I was dragged up.

    like the rest of ya’s

    Bald Headed Flogs

  35. jupes

    Maybe I’m getting old 🙂 it’s been unbearably hot, although today I looks like it will be cloudy and may get some respite with cooler weather. Never coming here in summer.

    Beautiful weather in the land of the Frog at the minute.

  36. MatrixTransform

    because the shape of the yield curve beyond 2020 is positive

    after the recession heh?

    I am Galt

  37. Bruce in WA

    The good old days …

  38. Ellie

    Love the clip, COM. Know it well. Especially enjoy the connection he has with the girl in the audience at 2:40.

  39. JC

    Jupes

    Didn’t France have a heatwave?

  40. MatrixTransform

    The good old days …

    belly laughs … thankyou

  41. jupes

    Didn’t France have a heatwave?

    Maybe. Might even be having one now. The weather is sunny and warm. Very pleasant.

  42. Steve trickler

    Can you keep track. Watch closely.



  43. Who would ever have thought there’d be a sane reason to support Zali Steggall?
    Headline from The Australian:

    Zali Steggall may face Mike Baird challenge down the track in Warringah

  44. DrBeauGan

    Osbel is a Catholic. I don’t know if he is a good one. Probably not.

  45. EV sales have doubled in Oz in the last 12 months.

  46. struth

    Good Moaning.
    I see numbers McSniffles is still embarrassing himself.
    EV sales are souring……….
    FMD.
    Why is not a question that lefties need to ask.
    Cherry pick for propaganda.
    What a wanker.

  47. Bingo!
    I had a small bet with my bride this morning at 7am.
    I bet her that if I posted a fact (not an opinion) that didn’t gell with the Harpic orthodoxy, I’d get at least one response which would include at least one example of gratuitous abuse, at least one mention of the term “left” or “leftie” and at least one reference to my sexuality.
    I was correct on all three counts.

    I learned as a teacher, that if you were so inclined – I wasn’t – you could set off a meltdown in a kid with Autism, by picking a known trigger and drawing it to their attention.
    Same thing happens here.
    It’s uncanny (and very funny).

    Catallaxy attracts people on the spectrum.

  48. Kev

    Hey 1735099, you do realize that people are deliberately triggering you, don’t you?

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