Open Forum: July 6, 2019

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  1. cohenite

    I know I rabbit on about this but this is big; Ed Berry has had his paper published; Ed proves the increase in atmospheric CO2 is natural; so even if you believe CO2 controls climate on the planet humans have nothing to with it, it’s natural. Ed addresses all the lies, deceits and doctored evidence the alarmists use to prop up their scam that humans are causing all the increase in CO2 and therefore are responsible for every climate catastrophe:

    Ed’s Abstract:

    Abstract

    The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) agrees human CO2 is only 5 percent and natural CO2 is 95 percent of the CO2 inflow into the atmosphere. The ratio of human to natural CO2 in the atmosphere must equal the ratio of the inflows. Yet IPCC claims human CO2 has caused all the rise in atmospheric CO2 above 280 ppm, which is now 130 ppm or 32 percent of today’s atmospheric CO2. To cause the human 5 percent to become 32 percent in the atmosphere, the IPCC model treats human and natural CO2 differently, which is impossible because the molecules are identical. IPCC’s Bern model artificially traps human CO2 in the atmosphere while it lets natural CO2 flow freely out of the atmosphere. By contrast, a simple Physics Model treats all CO2 molecules the same, as it should, and shows how CO2 flows through the atmosphere and produces a balance level where outflow equals inflow. Thereafter, if inflow is constant, level remains constant. The Physics Model has only one hypothesis, that outflow is proportional to level. The Physics Model exactly replicates the 14C data from 1970 to 2014 with only two physical parameters: balance level and e-time. The 14C data trace how CO2 flows out of the atmosphere. The Physics Model shows the 14 CO2 e-time is a constant 16.5 years. Other data show e-time for 12CO2 is about 4 to 5 years. IPCC claims human CO2 reduces ocean buffer capacity. But that would increase e-time. The constant e-time proves IPCC’s claim is false. IPCC argues that the human-caused reduction of 14C and 13C in the atmosphere prove human CO2 causes all the increase in atmospheric CO2. However, numbers show these isotope data support the Physics Model and reject the IPCC model. The Physics Model shows how inflows of human and natural CO2 into the atmosphere set balance levels proportional to their inflows. Each balance level remains constant if its inflow remains constant. Continued constant CO2 emissions do not add more CO2 to the atmosphere. No CO2 accumulates in the atmosphere. Present human CO2 inflow produces a balance level of about 18 ppm. Present natural CO2 inflow produces a balance level of about 392 ppm. Human CO2 is insignificant to the increase of CO2 in the atmosphere. Increased natural CO2 inflow has increased the level of CO2 in the atmosphere.

    For those interested here is Hermann Harde’s 2017 paper which dovetails with Ed’s recent paper:

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921818116304787

  2. none

    I wish there was a Latham to vote for in SA .

  3. Confused Old Misfit

    I know I rabbit on about this…

    Keep on keeping on rabbiting Mate!
    I believe there are some denizens of this blog who still think a carbon tax would be a good idea.

  4. Infidel Tiger

    When Jon Muir needs a bit of time and space to think, he likes to go for a walk. There’s a lot of time and definitely a lot of space to think about things while walking 2500km from Port Augusta, South Australia to Queensland’s Gulf of Carpentaria. You can think about the entire span of human ­history and how you’re no different from the ­people who have survived here for 60 or so thousand years, living entirely off the land. You can ponder how simple and fulfilling life can be out here in the desert as you haul a cart through dry creek beds and over sand dunes and clumps of spinifex, your Jack Russell terrier Seraphine ­trotting happily beside you, breaking away to dive into rabbit holes, happy just to be with you. But mostly you think about where your next drink of water is coming from. You think about staying alive. You maintain vigilance, processing information about the terrain, your supplies, what the weather is doing, if that wheel nut on the cart is still coming loose, how many bullets you have left, and always where the water is.

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/weekend-australian-magazine/going-to-extremes-jon-muirs-wild-adventurous-life/news-story/e0c3d04554d1fef9150b8347f0b1b7b6

    Pretty remarkable fella.

    Climbed Everest unassisted and has a smoke on the summit.

  5. zyconoclast

    A cliche from central casting…

    The brutal battle for the soul of veganism

    Veganism has never been more popular, nor its activists more organised. But behind the scenes a battle is being waged, with purists at odds with moderates on how best to end flesh-eating culture.

    For Andy Faulkner, it all began with his p3nis.
    Faulkner is tall and slim, with slightly stooped shoulders, a bald head and small, aerodynamic ears. He is 47, and has been a vegan for six years.

    According to Faulkner, being a true vegan also entails activism.

    After leaving teaching, Faulkner started a business holding discos for primary school kids, but has now reduced his school visits from four a week to one per week. “I don’t have any children, so it’s enough for me to survive on.” He now devotes himself almost full-time to activism.

  6. struth

    SA proles are bombarded with leftism.

    Sad state of affairs.
    Oldest population still watching MSM.

    What could possibly go wrong?

    SA liberals are a disgrace.
    Totally captured and infiltrated by the radical green left.

    Antonio Guttu

  7. struth

    The UN have been handed control of Australia.

    The elites have sold out to China and it’s socialist ally, the UN.

    Yet we still concern ourselves with the pantomime they feed us.

  8. notafan

    Andy Faulkner

    hopefully very childless

  9. Muddy

    The arse-first slippery slope.

    I’m not sure if someone has already posted this, and I’m unable to directly link to it because it will be blocked in the spambulator, but if you visit the Western Journal web page and scroll down a tad, under the ‘Conservative Tribune’ heading is an article about something very undesirable potentially taking a first step to ‘mainstream’ acceptance (under the pain of censure, that is).

  10. cohenite

    Dean Mackin is on 2SM; he is a libertarian conservative and apart from some conspiratorial quirks is very good on leftie bullshit. He is under some pressure by the lefties and struggles for shifts so give him a ring or send him an email

  11. MarkA:

    What about the wood pellets that fuel UK power-stations?
    All the way from the US on top.

    Not even Monty Python at their most deranged, drug addled, misogynistic peak would have tried to do a skit that encompassed that piece of Green lunacy.

  12. Ellie

    None, I enjoyed your meatloaf link from last night (old thread). Seriously! Thank you for the story of the humble meatloaf. Must say; I have never added bacon or prunes to a meatloaf, as was mentioned in the article. How decadent! Scrumdiddlyumptious! 😋

  13. bespoke

    Muddy
    #3098463, posted on July 6, 2019 at 2:22 pm

    She has been doing those talks for some time now with out any real push back. Extremely disturbing.

    h/t tiny URL is your friend.

  14. zyconoclast

    Could hydrogen energy be Australia’s future? This village might show us how

    Until recently, the Ayers Rock Resort near Uluru relied mostly on natural gas, brought in by truck, to keep things running. Solar panels were installed a few years ago and the buses use diesel. But now there is a new plan to power the place: limitless, zero-emissions hydrogen.

    Australia’s chief scientist Alan Finkel is a vocal cheerleader for hydrogen’s potential. He is devising the national hydrogen strategy, to be delivered later this year, and hopes that one day Australia will develop hydrogen into a clean, everyday energy source to replace fossil fuels.

  15. bespoke

    So head prefect (JC) is like a credential or social cache?

    Yes

  16. Steve trickler

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #3098467, posted on July 6, 2019 at 2:29 pm

    We all get to watch and see what happens.

  17. Bruce of Newcastle

    Ayers Rock Resort … new plan to power the place: limitless, zero-emissions hydrogen.

    I hope they don’t blow themselves up.

  18. Muddy

    If the shoe fits … Kaeper who?

    If they made these in Aussie colours, I’d get a pair.
    These still look great, though.

  19. Muddy

    Thanks, bespoke.

    I’m not sure who Tiny Earl is though. I just dip in and out of here when the mood strikes me.

  20. bespoke

    https://tinyurl.com/

    Are you sick of posting URLs in emails only to have it break when sent causing the recipient to have to cut and paste it back together? Then you’ve come to the right place. By entering in a URL in the text field below, we will create a tiny URL that will not break in email postings and never expires

  21. Mitch M.

    Ayers Rock Resort … new plan to power the place: limitless, zero-emissions hydrogen.

    Ayers Rock, great place for wind turbines. 🙂

  22. none

    Glad you enjoyed it, Elle.

  23. Muddy:

    I’m not sure if someone has already posted this, and I’m unable to directly link to it because it will be blocked in the spambulator, but if you visit the Western Journal web page and scroll down a tad, under the ‘Conservative Tribune’ heading is an article about something very undesirable potentially taking a first step to ‘mainstream’ acceptance (under the pain of censure, that is).

    Muddy, sorry mate, but I need more clues before I can figure out which one you mean.

  24. Muddy

    Aaahhh, that makes sense now. Thanks, Bespoke.

  25. Muddy

    Winston,
    “… goes mainstream as TED talk tell us etc.”
    Right hand side, not far down the page.
    According to Bespoke, it’s old news though, so don’t mind me (always been a bit slow).

  26. zyconoclast

    Cleaning up the planet shouldn’t be ‘women’s work’

    What do laundry, vacuuming and mopping have in common with environmental action? Women.

    Women continue to do most of the housework, but what’s also becoming clear is that it’s mostly women who are working overtime to clean up the planet.

    This reality has been obvious to us over the past few months, as we’ve run talks and workshops about how to reduce the huge amount plastic we toss out just getting through the day.

    We’ve found ourselves looking out at almost exclusively female audiences, from kids and teens to mums and grandmothers.

  27. none

    Re the Ted talk promoting kiddy fiddling. Money on she is a Green.

    Just like p&d*philes, we are not responsible for our feelings,” she said. “We do not choose them … but it is our responsibility to … overcome our negative feelings about p&d*philes and to treat them with the same respect we treat other people with.”

    Absolute rubbish. We certainly re responsible for our feelings. I might feel attracted to another person’s husband but I can certaonly squash that in 10 seconds flater. This while live by the feel is f***ing pernicious evil rubbish.

  28. Mitch M.

    Hyperactivated ‘garbage disposal systems’: Revolutionary discovery in leukemia research

    This is very promising because over the last decade a great deal has been learned about how to activate those “house keeping functions”. For example at a personal level fasting will do that and is probably a key reason why fasting or restricted feeding time confer health benefits. In relation to cancer though drug interventions to magnify the effect will be required.

  29. Muddy

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    #3098480, posted on July 6, 2019 at 3:08 pm

    An interesting link there, thanks Zippy.
    I must admit that I ‘grazed’ rather than watched the whole thing, but it reiterates my belief that the answer for us in the short to medium term is to go underground.

  30. Rockdoctor

    struth

    #3098292, posted on July 6, 2019 at 9:46 am

    Some bright spark decided to place some you are in ‘didyabringyougrogalong’ country on Gregory Developmental rd south of Belyando Crossing that I didn’t notice in January when I was last that way which is possibly due to at that time driving through ex-Cyclone Penny & having my hands full with the road conditions. Said sign the other day when I went past had some cleaned off grafitti clearly visible with a racist insult. It is a handful of km from a folded flood sign that for as long as I remember has land rights for poor whites painted on it and that had been there for most of my time in NQld. I first drove that road it was dirt or a strip of bitumin 1 veh wide near Charters & Clermont.

  31. cohenite

    Ayers Rock Resort … new plan to power the place: limitless, zero-emissions hydrogen.

    I hope they don’t blow themselves up.

    I do. Hydrogen power is Bjelke Peterson territory; although to be fair hydrogen power does work.

  32. struth

    Ayers rock owned by corrupt blackfella mob.
    Your taxes will assure expensive alternative unnecessary energy doesn’t leave them out of pocket.

    Wankers.

    Australia is full of them.

  33. Rockdoctor

    Zyclo I think after they ban climbing the rock falling visitor numbers will be the foremost problem especially if recent pictures of the rush to climb are true. Know I will drive straight past the turn off at Erldunda Roadhouse if that way again and I know plenty who have said the same…

  34. bespoke

    Ayers Rock was on my bucket list.

  35. struth

    It is definitely true.
    It’s been madness on the oodnadatta track and elsewhere due to races and lake Eyre plus getting on the climb before it closes.
    The arseholes banning it won’t give a shit if no one goes to the rock.
    In fact they’d be happy about it.

  36. Mitch M.

    It is definitely true.
    It’s been madness on the oodnadatta track and elsewhere due to races and lake Eyre plus getting on the climb before it closes.
    The arseholes banning it won’t give a shit if no one goes to the rock.
    In fact they’d be happy about it.

    On the one hand they demand we understand their culture and then they demand we be banned from their cultural sites. These people are so stupid they couldn’t beat Forrest Gump at tic tac toe.

  37. Dr Fred Lenin

    The photo at the top of the page is a fossilized footprint of an aboriginal construction worker wearing work safe boots ,it is 180,000 years old andwas found on the old aboriginal shipbuilding yards at Botany,where thriving bark canoe construction went on untill the white invaders destroyed it when they razed the aboriginal metropolis to the ground to build their own city , from the Revised Anti Western Encyclopedia of Indigenius Hustory .

  38. struth

    The dark emu is going to be taught in schools as fact.
    From next year.
    Australia is rooted.

  39. Top Ender

    Hey Zulu!

    Spent yesterday tramping around old Amsterdam.

    Lotsa old buildings, and millions of bicycles. And sex shops.

    Every few metres there was enough mary-jane smoke to get a little high.

    Didn’t your sheila come from here? (Some nice ladeeze on display…)

  40. Sinclair Davidson

    See the Bombers fly up.

  41. Rossini

    Sinclair Davidson
    #3098512
    Only way to go if you must fly!

  42. Infidel Tiger

    The New York Times
    @nytimes
    ·
    Jul 5
    One of Norway’s most prominent politicians has been convicted of abusing his power to force 3 young men seeking asylum in the country to have sex with him

    Open borderists are the same all over the world.

  43. struth

    No thanks.
    Stick your AFL.

    No offense.
    I’d rather watch netball.
    I like looking at women.
    I’m a bloke.
    Watching boofheads kicking balls isn’t my thing.

  44. Can we have a petition for wind turbines on top of the rock?
    No foundations required, just bolt ’em on.

  45. struth

    No thanks.Stick your AFL.No offense.I’d rather watch netball.I like looking at women.I’m a bloke.Watching boofheads kicking ba lls isn’t my thing.

  46. Then again, I like the idea of a concrete pour on Ayers Rock.

  47. Bruce of Newcastle

    Can we have a petition for wind turbines on top of the rock?

    And solar panels around all the sides!

  48. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Didn’t your sheila come from here? (Some nice ladeeze on display…)

    The Memsahib hails from Rotterdam, but Amsterdam is one of my favourite cities.

  49. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Spent yesterday tramping around old Amsterdam.

    If you have time in Amsterdam, the Resistance Museum is a must.

  50. Some History

    Another Sir Les Patterson video has surfaced.

    Sir Les Patterson – The Don Lane Show appearance – Late Feb 1983

  51. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Navy investigation uncovers claims divers ‘urinated in own mouths’ in ‘gargoyling’ hazing
    PerthNow
    July 6, 2019 11:26AM

    Explosive claims of sexual harassment, fraud and brutal hazing rituals which include the bizarre practice of “gargoyling” have rocked an elite unit within the Navy.

    One of the two teams in the tight-knit Clearance Diving Branch at the centre of the shocking allegations — considered the Navy’s equivalent of the Army’s SAS — is based in Perth and the other in Sydney.

    An internal investigation uncovered claims of sexual harassment of female personnel, fraud and hazing practices such as “gargoyling”, where members are encouraged to urinate into their own mouths, The Weekend West has revealed.

    Members were also forced to “run the gauntlet” which is where personnel run naked past their comrades while being belted with frozen thongs.

    The claims have sparked an historic cultural shake-up within the elite unit after the investigation found “significant lapses in leadership” and the existence of an “adverse culture” which had led to a “degradation of capability” for the clearance divers.

    From the Service that gave you “rum, sodomy and the lash…”

  52. Mitch M.

    If you have time in Amsterdam, the Resistance Museum is a must.

    Good movie about the Resistance in Holland, Winter in Wartime.

  53. Nick

    Members were also forced to “run the gauntlet” which is where personnel run naked past their comrades while being belted with frozen thongs.

    Catholic school kids would have laughed.

  54. stackja

    California quake map

    Latest
    M 3.6 – 22km S of Trona, CA
    Time 2019-07-06 06:52:25 (UTC)
    Location 35.562°N 117.395°W
    Depth 1.3 km

  55. cohenite

    A great summary of the media’s attack on Trump from The Spectator :

    Media extremism knew no limit. The Huffington Post ran a piece by ‘leftist engaged citizen’ Jesse Benn in mid-2016 advocating violent resistance to prevent Trump’s ‘normalisation’. When a radical leftist gunned down Republican congressman Steve Scalise a year later, Benn tweeted that the shooting was understandable but not well enough organised. A CBS subsidiary published an anti-Trump novel by Hollywood’s Sean Penn with a message to the president, ‘We are a nation in need of an assassin’.

    Any gossip-fuelled book exposé of Trump gains saturation media. MSNBC’s Chris Matthews compared three anti-Trump sleaze-books to the Bible: ‘At the risk of blasphemy, all these authors do have sort of a rhyming aspect to them like the synoptic gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke.’ Our ABC follows suit with 7.30’s Leigh Sales and Laura Tingle celebrating Trump-hating authors Michael Wolff (June 20) and Rick Wilson (May 31), not to mention Sales’ adoration of disgraced FBI director James Comey and his Higher Loyalty book a year ago…

    And:

    In contrast, Peter Schweizer’s best-seller Clinton Cash in 2015 was virtually ignored, despite documenting Bill Clinton’s $US500,000 for a speech in Moscow closely followed by Hillary waving through a Russian company takeover of 20 per cent of US uranium reserves. Through 2015-18, the Uranium One scandal got under four minutes from CNN. This contrasted with the networks’ 40 minutes of outrage over Trump privately dissing African ‘shitholes’ or CNN savouring the faked Steele ‘pee-tapes’ 77 times in its first five days (2,200 minutes by the three networks from 2017-19).

    All politics tragics know about Russian lady lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya meeting Donald Trump Jr in Trump Tower on June 9, 2016 to hand over dirt about Hillary (this smoking gun fired blanks). But did you know the Russian lady met with Glenn Simpson, founder of Fusion GPS, on the day before Trump Tower, on the same day, and on the day after, while Fusion was on Hillary’s payroll seeking dirt on Trump? To anyone not from Mars, that Tower meeting now looks like Democrat-Russian collusion for a sting. Network news interest? Zero.

    What can you say about the media.

  56. Top Ender

    When I was in, the Navy Clearance Divers got a lot of respect from the rest of the force, mainly from knowledge of how horrible their job was – and is.

    Known as “bubblies” they are reputed to have the front halves of their brains removed so they feel no fear.

  57. zyconoclast

    Navy investigation uncovers claims divers ‘urinated in own mouths’ in ‘gargoyling’ hazing

    That would be a great trick for the navy girls. Or not.

  58. BrettW

    TE,
    Hope you are being a good boy and not doing too much “window shopping”.

  59. Confused Old Misfit

    What can you say about the media.

    When you couple this with the boycott of the July 4 celebrations you have to think that the management/ownership of these MSM entities cannot accept that they failed to elect the candidate of their choice in 2016.
    For decades these princes of publishers played a game. Which of them could elect a President? They thought/believed that an endorsement by major publishers would determine who occupied the White House. And in the past their opinions mattered to a large number of people.
    But this is a new age in communications. They have not kept up.

  60. zyconoclast

    Many Venezuelans Can No Longer Afford Beer, So They’re Drinking Cheap Agave Liquor

    Amid the worst economic meltdown in Venezuela’s history — a crisis that has forced thousands of businesses to shut their doors — one unlikely product is flying off the shelves: the equivalent of Venezuelan tequila.

    “We never used to drink this. We drank beer,” said Jonathan Yepez, a car mechanic in the western Venezuelan city of Barquisimeto, as he stood in line at a bodega to buy cocuy. “Cocuy was for old people and grandparents. … But now everyone — from adolescents to adults — drinks cocuy.”

  61. zyconoclast

    [email protected], [email protected] everywhere.

    Combat 18: The [email protected] network facing a ban in Germany

    and

    Germany: Far-right Pegida supporters probed for condoning politician’s murder

    Prosecutors in Dresden have begun an investigation into Pegida supporters who scoffed at the murder of Walter Lübcke, likely at the hands of a far-right extremist. Supporters said he had it coming.

  62. Top Ender

    Brett, I was allowed to window shop in Amsterdam – in the company of Mrs TE.

  63. John Constantine

    Yarragrad continues rewilding.

    Big Australia must keep the proles cleared off rewilded areas, and confined to the huge megacity feedlots.

    https://www.maryboroughadvertiser.com.au/2019/07/veac-recommends-national-park-pyrenees-ranges/?fbclid=IwAR05c-FqsOcMEkfmUGS7w0cqnVslub8z4FnKOvhNl7OmGt8ftqZv9Um2XA0

    Major changes could be in the works for local forests with the Victorian Environmental Assessment Council (VEAC) handing down its final Central West report last week.

    VEAC’s two-year Central West Investigation was requested by the State Government in 2017 and aims to protect habitat for rare or threatened plants and animals and to help meet Victoria’s conservation benchmarks for ecosystem protection.

    The investigation focused on areas including the Pyrenees Ranges, Mount Cole, Wombat State Forest, Lerderderg State Park and Wellsford State Forest.

    The report sparked community concern with a number of groups stating if implemented, the recommendations would slash public access to local forests.

    More than 3300 submissions were provided by members of the public to help shape the final recommendations.

    VEAC chair Janine Harrow said while a number of people expressed a desire for things to stay the same, community members were also clear that forests are already changing due to increased visitor numbers.

    Australia is importing so many consumption machines that we can only afford to consume the great outdoors second hand on our screens, while stacked in great vertical barrack developments.

    Comrades.

  64. zyconoclast

    Why are menstruating women in India removing their wombs?

    Two pieces of very disturbing news involving working women and menstruation have emerged in India in recent months.

    Periods have long been a taboo in the country, menstruating women are believed to be impure and are still excluded from social and religious events. In recent years, these archaic ideas have been increasingly challenged, especially by urban educated women.

    But two recent reports show that India’s very problematic relationship with menstruation continues. A vast majority of women, especially those from poor families, with no agency and no education, are forced to make choices that have long-term and irreversible impacts on their health and their lives.

    The first comes from the western state of Maharashtra where it has been revealed by Indian media that thousands of young women have undergone surgical procedures to remove their wombs in the past three years. In a substantial number of cases they have done this so they can get work as sugarcane harvesters.

    Every year, tens of thousands of poor families from Beed, Osmanabad, Sangli and Solapur districts migrate to more affluent western districts of the state – known as “the sugar belt” – to work for six months as “cutters” in sugarcane fields.

    Once there, they are at the mercy of greedy contractors who use every opportunity to exploit them.

    To begin with, they are reluctant to hire women because cane-cutting is hard work and women may miss a day or two of work during their periods. If they do miss a day’s work, they have to pay a penalty.

  65. John Constantine

    But the main reason cocuy is suddenly in vogue is its price.

    Due to shortages of raw materials as well as taxes, a case of Venezuelan-made beer now costs the equivalent of about $20. (Venezuela has almost run out of beer entirely at times during its economic crisis). Prices for rum and imported wine and whiskey are also beyond the reach of many Venezuelans. By contrast, a liter of cocuy sells for less than $2. The price is even lower if customers bring in their own bottles for refills.
    Venezuela Is Running Out Of Beer Amid Severe Economic Crisis
    The Salt
    Venezuela Is Running Out Of Beer Amid Severe Economic Crisis

    “Beer is tasty but it costs a dollar a bottle,” said William Hernández, a Barquisimeto cook who had just gotten off work. Pointing to his newly purchased bottle of cocuy, he said: “This costs about $2 and lasts a lot longer.”

    Must buy some green agave plants and sow them out, as insurance against the Revolution and Big Australia winning.

    Comrades.

  66. Roger

    Repeat a lie often enough:

    ABC TV news reports that indigenous diggers volunteered to serve in WWI “when they weren’t even citizens”.

  67. Tel

    Australia is importing so many consumption machines that we can only afford to consume the great outdoors second hand on our screens, while stacked in great vertical barrack developments.

    I had to laugh when I saw the latest release of apartments for sale in Sydney is called “Lateral Estate”.

    https://www.lateralestate.com/libertytower

    A bit of lateral thinking went into that one!!

  68. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Repeat a lie often enough:

    ABC TV news reports that indigenous diggers volunteered to serve in WWI “when they weren’t even citizens”.

    Neither Bill Shorten nor Linda Burney was ever held to account for repeating similar garbage on the floor of Parliament.

  69. Tel

    Navy investigation uncovers claims divers ‘urinated in own mouths’ in ‘gargoyling’ hazing

    Sailors have been drinking their own piss since antiquity. Makes the water last longer … great to see the old survival tricks are still being passed down in this day and age.

  70. bespoke

    Why though Roger, do they sight some ambiguity about it?

  71. Incoherent Rambler:

    Can we have a petition for wind turbines on top of the rock?
    No foundations required, just bolt ’em on.

    You’ll need something embedded in the rock to tie them to.
    I would suggest a stainless steel/tungsten dart dropped from orbit with a terminal speed of 50K km/hr.
    Just sprinkle some cement powder over the gravel that remains, wait for the rain and Voila! concrete foundations for the ecocrucifix bird muncher.

  72. stackja

    If California has the ‘Big One’ will they refuse Washington assistance?

  73. Roger

    Why though Roger, do they sight some ambiguity about it?

    To perpetuate one of the Australian Left’s foundational myths: that Australia is a racist state.

  74. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    chill out time

  75. Harlequin Decline

    I left Perth on Wednesday afternoon and overnighted in Merridin which knocked 250km off the total trip back to Sydney and made for a more relaxed drive. Overnighted in Cocklebiddy and Ceduna and we’re now in Clare SA.

    Blowing forty bastards after Cocklebiddy which knocked the fuel consumption around a bit across the Nullarbor.

    Not a lot of wildlife/death other than a group of 20 camels near the road south of Balladonia, lots of splattered roos east of Eucla providing gourmet picking for the usual crows and eagles, a fox and a couple of dogs in the middle of nowhere.

    We had dinner at the Ceduna Foreshore Hotel restaurant(the best in town) which was very busy so we ended up sharing a table with some members of the Yalata community. I asked which AFL team they supported-they said Fremantle, West Coast and Port Adelaide. It seems there are quite a few West Australian blackfellas at Yalata plus others from Darwin. I didn’t know there was such interstate migration between communities.

    Compared to previous trips there were many more Asians on various visas working in the roadhouses. Previously you would find assorted backpackers plus staff that looked like they were ex junkies or out on parole. Despite the language problems I assume the economics work out better for the owners.

    An easy drive to Hay tomorrow then Sydney Monday, all going well.

  76. Nob

    Australian Left was founded on the slogan “Australia for the White Man”

  77. chrisl

    Top Ender It would be a pity if you only saw Amsterdam in your time in The Netherlands . Many Dutch people are ashamed of Amsterdam and the goings on there….especially the drugs on sale. My advice would be to throw a dart at a map then hire some bikes(ebikes) and do a long bike tour .All of the regional capitals have a rich history and bike paths everywhere.

  78. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    nmn update

    recovery from exercise on nmn is insane. I shouldn’t be able to walk but I have only mild tension in calves.

    wont go into details as I am testing out Dihydromyricetin atm. modern pharmacology is blowing my mind.

  79. Digger

    Top Ender
    #3098534, posted on July 6, 2019 at 5:15 pm
    When I was in, the Navy Clearance Divers got a lot of respect from the rest of the force, mainly from knowledge of how horrible their job was – and is.

    Known as “bubblies” they are reputed to have the front halves of their brains removed so they feel no fear.

    Steady up Top Ender… Enjoy your sentiment

    Some of us tried to retain the best part of our brains to salvage the Arrow from under the Stokes Hill Wharf up your way in January 1975 after Cyclone Tracy and recover the Sea King hello from 240’ off JB also in 1975 and with only 49 members over 5 years to become the highest unit decorated Australian outfit of the Vietnam War….

  80. mem

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    #3098567, posted on July 6, 2019 at 6:54 pm
    nmn update

    recovery from exercise on nmn is insane. I shouldn’t be able to walk but I have only mild tension in calves.

    wont go into details as I am testing out Dihydromyricetin atm. modern pharmacology is blowing my mind.

    Hang in mate. There are many with you here. All first steps. We only have one life and it is a marvelous thing when you think on it. What other creature has the fortune to think, read and take it all in. Cheers and good luck. mem

  81. Mark from Melbourne

    Brett, I was allowed to window shop in Amsterdam – in the company of Mrs TE

    As I explain to SWMBO, if I have ceased window shopping, one of two things has occurred… I have lost interest in the product, or I have purchased elsewhere.

  82. 1735099

    Contemporary USA is now as unhinged as many parts of the Middle East.

    The similarities between the Taliban, ISIS, and the NRA are striking.

  83. MatrixTransform

    Cocuy

    40 proof in US terms is 20% alcohol by volume (abv)

    yeasties are dead by about 13% so it aint wine.
    To get it to 20abv they either distill or are freeze jacking it.
    on the equator? yeah…nah

    distilled in a pot x1 gives something like 40% but it will taste like shite if watered down
    distilled 2x might get you to 65% which you could water down but possibly still taste like shite

    aged in barrels it might spring to life

    I’d like to try it … has to be better than coconut wine in Philippines

  84. Roger

    Australian Left was founded on the slogan “Australia for the White Man”

    The old Left, yes, but even then not so much racial grounds but out of a legitimate fear that Chinese and Pacific Islander immigrants would undercut native born workers on wages.

  85. stackja

    The private still angry.

  86. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Top Ender It would be a pity if you only saw Amsterdam in your time in The Netherlands

    Spent time walking over Arnhem, and Nijmegen.

  87. MatrixTransform

    The private still angry.

    does a snake’s fart raise dust?

  88. Bruce of Newcastle

    I’m always amused that those on the left think anyone who doesn’t agree with them is insane.

  89. Bubbles

    REPORT-BACK FROM THE NIGHT AT THE BOLSHOI
    If that is what they learned in the Gulags – bring in on Vlad.

  90. Des Deskperson

    The new season’s episodes of the ABC drama ‘The Heights’ last night did not disappoint.

    The main theme was the rich, supercilious, uber-white, blazer-clad, private school boy Dane popping the disabled public schoolgirl’s cherry and then slut-shaming her on social media.

    Even by ABC standards, the ‘Dane’ character is a crude and clumsy folk-Marxist stereotype; all he needs is a curly moustache and he’s the sneering, milkmaid-shagging squire of Victorian era melodrama.

    Luckily, the poor girl has a couple of feisty feminist schoolgirl mates who saw the plutocratic cad off when he came around trying to get back into her pants. There’s also her wonderful Indigenous classmate, Mitch, although he’s having some sort of indigenous identity crisis, wondering who his ‘mob’ might be, in order ‘find himself’.

    Like all ABC drama, the dialogue – the way ordinary Austrians talk – is highly inauthentic. Trying to console her seduced and abandoned daughter, the disabled kiddie’s mother tells her:

    ‘You are limited edition special to me, kitten’.

    Who in earth in Australia – nor anywhere else – actually talks like this??

  91. struth

    The old Left, yes, but even then not so much racial grounds but out of a legitimate fear that Chinese and Pacific Islander immigrants would undercut native born workers on wages.

    Look at Vestey and Darwin port unions against aboriginal buffalo hunters hides.
    Wouldn’t touch it if it was blackfella product.
    They were just pure racists. Leftism is collectivism which is the home of racism.

  92. Roger

    I don’t know how you do it, Des.

  93. struth

    It’s not compulsory viewing Des Deskperson.

  94. Nob

    You are limited edition special to me, kitten’

    You’re the cheap fridge at Harvey Norms darl.

  95. cohenite

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    #3098567, posted on July 6, 2019 at 6:54 pm

    nmn update

    recovery from exercise on nmn is insane. I shouldn’t be able to walk but I have only mild tension in calves.

    wont go into details as I am testing out Dihydromyricetin atm. modern pharmacology is blowing my mind.

    Sorry I missed something; what are you taking NMN for? If you don’t mind me asking.

  96. Nob

    The similarities between the Taliban, ISIS, and the NRA are striking.

    Hipster beards?

  97. Nob

    Amsterdam’s great.

    All those bareheaded cyclists. Smell the freedom.

  98. Nob

    Once you’re done ogling the RLD and the weed cafes, take a gander at the Resistance (Occupation and collaboration etc) Museum and see how a Nazism takeover happens.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verzetsmuseum

  99. Nob

    Dead bodies lined up on those picturesque canal bridges to intimidate the population.

  100. Bubbles

    Sad news.

    Jim Beam bourbon warehouse fire still burning Thursday more than 42 hours after it started

    Carefully eyeing the booze cupboard and wondering if a one day trip to the Auckland duty free may add a few more pleasurable moments to the condemned old worthless bones.
    Burning Bourbon – it was an ABC plot. They are are all Calvinist [email protected]

  101. candy

    Des, Neighbours is a more realistic show. When that goes Marxism and indigenous identity crisis, Australia is in trouble.

  102. Nob

    Take the missus to”nine streets” boutique shopping area which has thoughtfully provided many bars for bored husbands. Win/win.

  103. Nob

    Candy, Neighbors is already knee deep in that shit.

  104. Goanna

    https://youtu.be/UXaFSHKomM8

    Maybe this time with Big Boy burning a power of coal.

  105. struth

    What planet are you commenting from Candy?

  106. candy

    Lasts time I watched Neighbours it seemed quite normal. The accents were normal and problems usual/trite.

  107. Roger

    The similarities between the Taliban, ISIS, and the NRA are striking.

    I’m guessing that Margaret Atwood is Numbers’s favourite novelist.

  108. cohenite

    Heaven forbid, a sensible academic:

    Dorset Diversions: England as Once it Was

    James Allan 5th July 2019 Comments (4)

    All those conservatives out there revelling in Labor’s well-deserved election loss ought not to get too triumphant. Sure, Team Shorten had moved so far left that those of us immensely dissatisfied with the Libs were more or less driven to supporting them (for me it was by preferencing them third last, only above Labor and the Greens). But that result, you’ll recall, was driven almost wholly by Queensland which delivered some 40 percent of Coalition House MPs yet received only some 20 percent of Cabinet spots – and in which the LNP ran a much more muscular type campaign than in Victoria and NSW. Take Queensland out of the equation and Shorten and Labor, as left-leaning as they were, would have won and would have won handily. Similarly, the nature of the Morrison cabinet screams ‘Turnbull lite’ more than anything else. Some in the ministry make wet rags look like vertebrates.

    Then there’s Mr. Morrison’s post-election response to the Israel Folau fiasco. As a good friend mentioned to me, all the PM had to say was ‘people have the right to quote the Bible, the world’s biggest selling book of all time’. Instead, Morrison replied by claiming that the scandal ‘had enough air already’. What an ill-tuned cymbal of a response! Of course it was a response wholly in keeping with the earlier incarnation of Scott Morrison when the 18C ‘hate speech’ laws were front and centre and many of those of us on the right wanted them repealed. Morrison, or such is my memory, claimed these sort of free speech issues were a third order issue. Meanwhile keep an eye on who gets the Sinodinos casual vacancy in the Senate. If it’s not Jim Molan than we will have yet more proof that Morrison is in hock to the Black Hand wing of the party….

  109. bespoke

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    nmn?

  110. Muddy

    Digger
    #3098570, posted on July 6, 2019 at 7:02 pm

    Welcome, Digger.

  111. Tel

    All those bareheaded cyclists. Smell the freedom.

    Incense of burning rope?

  112. bespoke

    candy
    #3098605, posted on July 6, 2019 at 7:49 pm
    Lasts time I watched Neighbours it seemed quite normal. The accents were normal and problems usual/trite.

    candy normal? or normal normal?

    Just teasing. 😎

  113. John Constantine

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2019-07-04/wellard-to-sell-livestock-ship-to-heytesbury-cattle-co/11278552

    Holmes a court buys live export ship at discount rate from struggling live exporter Wellard [ that holmes a court has dropped millions of value on his shareholding.]

    Leaseback agreement.

    State of the art live export ship, not profitable running against cut price converted death barges staffed by cut price third world peasants .

    Lefty holmes a court [ meat producer] in conflict with vegynsys animalsocialism.

    Will the profit shock ‘unwoke’ him?.

    Comrades.

  114. Top Ender

    Hey Digger, didn’t know we had a CD on here. Lotsa respect and appreciate your service.

    Did you by any chance work on the Tasman Bridge disaster? I wrote a book on it and found it difficult to get their part in the story.

    Chris, yes, we have just finished a Holland countryside trip, and called in to see a stone-grinding windmill. It makes colour tint for paints by the process. Fascinating – all wooden parts driving 2 x 2000kg stone wheels.

  115. cohenite

    Is Trump stuffed:

    Damn, is Bill Barr Corrupt Also? – DOJ Files New ‘Last Minute’ Motion to Keep Comey FBI Memo Content Hidden From Public…

    Posted on July 5, 2019 by sundance

    In our opinion the content of the diary by former FBI Director James Comey, as outlined in what has formally been called “The Comey Memos”, is devastating to the U.S. Department of Justice and FBI. How do we know? Because the FBI is fighting like hell to keep even descriptions of the memo(s) content from becoming public.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/07/05/damn-is-bill-barr-corrupt-also-doj-files-new-last-minute-motion-to-keep-comey-fbi-memo-content-hidden-from-public/

  116. Frank

    There is the Van Gogh museum in Amsterdam too, if you are that way inclined.

  117. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    nmn?

  118. Roger

    Speaking of novelists and IS, today I learned that one of my favourite novelists, Bernard Cornwell (an Englishman who has spent most of his adult life in the US) has Trump Derangement Syndrome.

    He also claims the early Christians were the IS of the time.

    I still hope he’ll finish off the Starbuck Chronicles, though.

  119. Old Lefty

    I had a Eureka moment today about the apparent belief of the Victorian DPP, Justice Kidd and the jury that Pell has three hands (see Windschuttle’s:The Majesty of the Law’ at Quadrant online). It is now infallible dogma that biology has nothing to do with personal identity. By extension, I suppose, the state can seem anyone to be three-handed, and anyone who denies it is a fascist reactionary who should go to gaol too.

  120. Digger

    Muddy
    #3098610, posted on July 6, 2019 at 7:56 pm

    Welcome, Digger.

    Thanks Muddy, been following this site for many years. Haven’t seen the need to write anything very often but when my mob got a mention I thought I would speak up…

  121. Knuckle Dragger

    Good work Digger.

    Real clearance divers (and I’m certainly not suggesting you aren’t) must be losing their shit on a regular basis. judging by the amount of imposters the ANZMI site keeps uncovering.

    ‘Ooooh no I don’t wear my medals. Official Secrets Act and all that.’

    Pretending to have done the hard yards in an occupation where no one sees you do it would lend itself to the worst type of impersonator. All the genuine retired blokes would still have all their upper body strength from crushing skulls.

    Faux grunts are bad enough.

  122. C.L.

    He also claims the early Christians were the IS of the time.

    He sounds like a mindless hillbilly.

  123. Nob

    Windmills were the first industrial Revolution and how the Dutch navy got a headstart (until the Brits went coal powered and overtook them). Could build ships much faster than before with wind sawmills.

  124. Digger

    Top Ender,

    I think this has been my favourite site for over 5 years (or thereabouts). I have followed many stories and learned a lot. Some wise heads and some not so wise on here and that is one of the attractions. I think the good certainly outweighs the not so good.

    The Lake Illawarra hit the Tasman Bridge 13 days after we arrived in Darwin on Boxing Day to salvage Arrow and a lot of other things so another make shift team was brought together for the Hobart job. It is probably not that well known but those two jobs at the same time certainly tested the CD Branch as far as equipment and available personnel went. We only had about 110 (Give or take a few) in the branch at the time and many of them were on the Hunters, at the School and on deployed ships. I know all the guys who went to Hobart and unfortunately we have lost a few since then.

  125. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Faux grunts are bad enough.

    Cite you the “ex Special Air Service Regiment trooper” who had never heard of Percy Gratwick…

  126. none

    Des Deskperson

    #3098584, posted on July 6, 2019 at 7:24 pm

    Mitch will come out as gay. Gsy is his tribe. Watch.

  127. chrisl

    Top Ender It sounds like you went to The Zaanse Schans. Windmill technology probably grew in Holland because the land is too flat to allow water mills . Fun fact : wind only blows on average 160 days of the year in the home of the windmill. On those windless days the modern windmills are equally efficient as the medieval ones.

  128. Digger

    Knuckle Dragger

    Real clearance divers (and I’m certainly not suggesting you aren’t) must be losing their shit on a regular basis. judging by the amount of imposters the ANZMI site keeps uncovering.

    Thanks KD, I am very aware of those imposters. I was the pres of the CD Association for 10 years in total and I had a few of them named and shamed during that time.

    The post earlier about unsavoury things CD’s have been accused of happened in about 2015 and has risen its ugly head again as the media try to badmouth and belittle Australian Special Forces generally (Not suggesting that CD’s are considered “official SF) but we do participate permanently with those who are considered so.

  129. Muddy

    Nob
    #3098632, posted on July 6, 2019 at 8:38 pm

    Huh. I didn’t know that. Well, there you go.
    Thanks, Nob.

  130. none

    My very short, unremarkable, lily livered diving career ended many years ago and I don’t know who I admire more: cave divers or clearance divers. Fearless doesn’t even begin to describe them. Good to have you here, Digger.

  131. custard

    Evening Zulu and chrisl.

  132. Muddy

    I do wonder sometimes, how many other restrained lurkers we have here at the Cat.

  133. none

    Super dumb and naive question. Why does our media hate our special forces and why have they persisted in trying to smear them in recent years? Are they still hung up about Iraq?

  134. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Evening Zulu and chrisl.

    Good evening , custard. Your very good health.

  135. custard

    And to you too Zulu.

    Maybe our paths might cross again?

    Zulu, top bloke!

  136. Muddy

    Why does our media hate our special forces

    Control. A lack of.
    The ADF is [was?] one of the last bastions the social and cultural insurgents have not yet infiltrated to a substantial degree.

  137. twostix

    Super dumb and naive question. Why does our media hate our special forces and why have they persisted in trying to smear them in recent years? Are they still hung up about Iraq?

    The bugmen class hate any pre cultural leap forward institution that can pose a martial threat to them. Both on tactical and on personal inadequacy grounds.

  138. Knuckle Dragger

    In my very humble opinion None,

    They hate them because they can’t control them. The SF (as infantry battalions should be, actually) is chock full of testosterone, and with good reason. They are the last outpost of warfare at its most tribal, and its most simple.

    And perhaps just as importantly, they tell the pantywaists currently infesting the meeja, tertiary institutions and commentators to go fuck themselves.

    Mind you, they’ll be the first they cry for help to when the time comes.

  139. none

    The ADF is [was?] one of the last bastions the social and cultural insurgents have not yet infiltrated to a substantial degree.

    the ADF which gave us Catherine McGregor?

  140. 132andBush

    ^
    An easy drive to Hay tomorrow then Sydney Monday, all going well.

  141. none

    I’d like to think that the ADF is still holding out against all that neo-marxist multi culti spineless f****** bullshit that when you’ve got gay activist groups outside of the ADF influencing ADF policy on not so sure.
    Still they seem to have a particular hatred for special forces which is probably why half of the latter end up working overseas fir dodgy players like Qatar once the leave the ADF. Nothing for them here and why keep busting your guts for such ingrates.

  142. none

    Haha Black Ball for a moment there I thought that was James Damore or whatever the name of that Google guy was.

  143. Harlequin Decline

    132andBush
    #3098651, posted on July 6, 2019 at 9:16 pm

    Will keep an eye out for someone waving at a 2007 white Prado. BTW raining just now in Clare.

  144. Mitch M.

    nmn update

    recovery from exercise on nmn is insane. I shouldn’t be able to walk but I have only mild tension in calves.

    wont go into details as I am testing out Dihydromyricetin atm. modern pharmacology is blowing my mind.

    That’s to be expected but a word of caution: the recovery you experience is because of enhanced ATP provision and possibly enhanced DNA function but NMN may suffer the same problem found with some potent antioxidants: loss of hormetic effect from exercise. Another issue is don’t go too hard, the muscles might take it but the ligaments and tendons may not because they take a very long time to strengthen.

    Also, check where the Dihydromyricetin is being sourced. I’m very wary of Chinese derived products because a number of studies have demonstrated that Chinese supplements can be contaminated with a range of dangerous additives and toxins.

  145. Ellie

    Awesome song, Black Ball!

    My offering

  146. Frank

    Both on tactical and on personal inadequacy grounds.

    Bingo. Some of them have some vestigial sense of what it is to be a man and how far they fall short by comparison.

  147. 132andBush

    Bingo. Some of them have some vestigial sense of what it is to be a man and how far they fall short by comparison.

    Yep
    and that’s just the women.

  148. Muddy

    I suspect that the ADF’s history is also despised (we can argue about the lack of direct lineage later). The cultural insurgents have managed to burrow deeply into our non-military history – witness conversations on here recently about how indigenous ‘knowledge’ is gradually being redefined and upgraded; even climate history has been tampered with – but so far, they have made no damaging inroads into the former. In lieu of success in altering the past, they have temporarily focused on erasing the future (of the ADF, that is).

  149. Muddy

    I messed up the wording there, but hopefully you’ll all know what I mean.

  150. Digger

    none
    #3098640, posted on July 6, 2019 at 8:53 pm
    My very short, unremarkable, lily livered diving career ended many years ago and I don’t know who I admire more: cave divers or clearance divers. Fearless doesn’t even begin to describe them. Good to have you here, Digger.

    Thanks None,

    About 20 years ago I met Jim Bowden, a noted American cave diver and deep diver. His exploits could turn anyone off attempting the ridiculous. He dived to 925 feet [a world record at the time] in SCUBA (8 cylinders and 3 different gas mixtures with about 60 cylinders used for his decompression suspended on his down line so he could use them during his ascent… crazy stuff) at El Zacaton in NE Mexico. during that dive he lost his mate, another American diver, Sheck Exley who, when his body was recovered (They were on different down lines) had reached 906 feet himself. Cave divers are crazy. CD’s only partly so. I did an operation with WRE and AWA on the Barabouy deployment system in Kilsby Hole (A sink hole at Mount Gambier) in 1973 and we went to about 180’. During our stay down there 4 NSW cave divers died whilst diving at the Shaft, a couple of kilometres away.

  151. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Bingo. Some of them have some vestigial sense of what it is to be a man and how far they fall short by comparison.

    The critics know they wouldn’t last five minutes on selection, or “in the weeds”, so they tear down the tall poppies..

  152. Ellie

    The Bulldogs in AFL are a whole different thing to the NRL Bulldogs. None of it is rugby union though – a most prestigious sport.

  153. mem

    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    #3098621, posted on July 6, 2019 at 8:08 pm
    Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)
    Just watched that video you posted above.Haven’t laughed so much for ages and for some reason have just consumed three Vegemite sandwiches. Don’t ask me why.

  154. none

    Digger, those limestone caves in the south east have certainly claimed some victims. I remember afruend’s husband (ordinary caver, not diver) talking about the Shaft incident as changing the whole landscape of cave diving in Australia. I recall a young woman cave diver who died around Millicent some years back.

  155. Fair shake of the Sauce bottle

    Digger, following your discussion and might I add nowhere in your league,(8 cylinders wtf?) but having dived with some military dudes their shared knowledge has made my dives some many times more enjoyable. Happy to be mates with them and ‘degas’ afterwards. Cheers!

  156. Bruce in WA

    Far more innocent times …

  157. Top Ender

    Sounds like they might need bigger calibres?

    ‘Shot through legs to his chest’

    LONDON: A rookie firearms officer has told an inquest how he fell over and shot one of the London Bridge attackers through his legs, fearing he was about to be killed.

    The London policeman, known as BX44, told jurors the confrontation with Khuram Butt, 27, Rachid Redouane, 30, and Youssef Zaghba, 22, was his first spontaneous firearms incident.

    The three attackers were all shot 10 minutes after embarking on a van and knife attack in June 2017 that left eight dead — including two Australians.

    As he got out at Stoney Street at London’s Borough Market, the policeman saw three Middle Eastern men with large knives emerging from a crowd “closing us down”, BX44 told the inquest yesterday. He fired first at Butt because he thought he was about to kill his colleague BX46, who was first out of their armed response vehicle.

    “The red dot (from the gun’s sights) was on him but there was very little reaction and I was surprised he was still coming,” BX44 told the Old Bailey in London, giving evidence anonymously.

    “I continued to track him and fire shots until I had to break away to deal with Rachid Redouane who at this point was closing us down and was about to kill another colleague, BX45. “The red dot was on him. I fired shots and there was no immediate reaction. I carried on firing until I had to deal with the third threat of Youssef Zaghba, who was on top of me.

    “I was backing away trying to create a reactionary gap when I fired and fell backwards and as I fell backwards I fired … from the floor, I fired through my legs up to his chest. I thought he was about to kill me.”

    He then kicked Zaghba’s hand away from his chest, as he assumed he was about to detonate an explosive belt, before moving on to support BX46, he said. BX44 told how minutes after the first burst of gunfire, he saw Butt’s chest rise and fall.

    “I did not see his hands but his arms started to move down slowly towards the suicide vest,” he said. “I thought he was going to detonate. I fired shots. They were aimed shots.”

    The officer said he could hear colleagues also firing from his cover behind a pillar opposite the Wheatsheaf pub.

    “I thought he was dead and officers were in the process of moving up to the Wheatsheaf pub to evacuate and during that I again noticed movement and took further shots,” he said.

    BX44, who fired 17 shots, went on to help in a search for a fourth possible attacker, carried a woman having a seizure to safety, and found three people in a cupboard during a search of the nearby Black and Blue restaurant.

    Complete article from the Oz print edition

    Apart from any discussion of the weapons I hope he gets a George Medal.

  158. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    That’s to be expected but a word of caution: the recovery you experience is because of enhanced ATP provision and possibly enhanced DNA function but NMN may suffer the same problem found with some potent antioxidants: loss of hormetic effect from exercise. Another issue is don’t go too hard, the muscles might take it but the ligaments and tendons may not because they take a very long time to strengthen.

    yes. will go very slowly.

    Also, check where the Dihydromyricetin is being sourced. I’m very wary of Chinese derived products because a number of studies have demonstrated that Chinese supplements can be contaminated with a range of dangerous additives and toxins.

    sourced here. seems to work, wife didn’t seem to think it had any effect. I found it mentally knocked me out of being drunk but not entirely physically. will see if there is any hangover tomorrow.

  159. Digger

    Yes none, and to make the situation worse in Mt Gambier the SA police divers were civilian recreation divers who just happened to be policemen so they were seconded to the job. Don Dunston was SA Premier and Malcolm Fraser was PM and never the Twain shall mix so Dunston prevented us from helping the police even though we had everything they needed including a decompression chamber and surface supported diving gear. It was only luck which prevented some of them dying as well.

    The good thing to come out of it was during our time off we got to know the police divers and they were convinced to try and get a course at the RAN Diving School at Penguin to improve their skills and understanding and they succeeded. The NSW Police Divers were still being trained by us at that time, I think but both those police diving teams developed their own exceptional diving units with their own in-house training programmes following their time with the RAN…

  160. Bruce in WA

    sourced here. seems to work, wife didn’t seem to think it had any effect. I found it mentally knocked me out of being drunk but not entirely physically. will see if there is any hangover tomorrow.

    Not available in Oz??

  161. none

    Oh my god Digger that is insane. From what I understand there were a lot of fatalities down the south east precisely because recreational (sea) divers would go cave diving. I did not know the police divers were inexperienced as well in terms of cave diving. But I guess that does make sense given it was that Shaftesbury incident that prompted the formation of the CDAA. Must be the worst job in the world: diving to retrieve bodies. Major major respect to all rescue divers.
    I didn’t realise Dunstan was such a prick. I’m from South Australia and I really hate the way he gets lionized like the way Whitlam gets lionised and yet in many respects he was a pretty destructive Premier like Whitlam was a very destructive p.m.

  162. none

    *the Shaft incident
    My phone likes to change words.

  163. Mitch M.

    seems to work, wife didn’t seem to think it had any effect. I found it mentally knocked me out of being drunk but not entirely physically. will see if there is any hangover tomorrow.

    I checked the literature and I might be wrong about increased ATP supply. NMN doesn’t increase oxidative phosphorylation in mitochondria, apparently the benefit lies elsewhere but as usual the studies are conflicting. Some say yes, some say no. Nonetheless in animals or humans the benefits are remarkable.

  164. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    sourced here. seems to work, wife didn’t seem to think it had any effect. I found it mentally knocked me out of being drunk but not entirely physically. will see if there is any hangover tomorrow.

    in fact the physical effects of alcohol have entirely worn off now, it’s like had nothing happened. fucking amazing.

  165. none

    Catallaxy: come for the economics, stay for the narcotics.

  166. Digger

    Fair shake of the Sauce bottle
    #3098670, posted on July 6, 2019 at 10:15 pm
    Digger, following your discussion and might I add nowhere in your league,(8 cylinders wtf?) but having dived with some military dudes their shared knowledge has made my dives some many times more enjoyable. Happy to be mates with them and ‘degas’ afterwards. Cheers!

    Navy diver training is very good. It provided the platform for me to build the first and still the only saturation diver training facility in the Southern Hemisphere at Beauty Point and Lake Cethana in Tasmania 27 years ago. The one thing that is a constant in military diving…. Safety… and that is what largely differentiates them from civilian trained divers.

    The government spent about $10m a few years ago expanding the RAN Diving School at Balmoral into what is now the ADF Diving School and that was a good move. Just like having a Joint Explosive Ordnance Disposal School

  167. Black Ball

    Listening to Boz Scaggs, underrated. What Can I Say

  168. Knuckle Dragger

    My word BX44 should get the big gong TM.

    Very nice statement too btw. Impeccably done, and (although this is in no way a bad thing) I reckon he’s had an old war horse give him a hand on what to say as well. Excellent work.

  169. none

    The RAN is always in the papers for being unable to attract recruits. Does that extend to the RAN diving units?

  170. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    I checked the literature and I might be wrong about increased ATP supply. NMN doesn’t increase oxidative phosphorylation in mitochondria, apparently the benefit lies elsewhere but as usual the studies are conflicting. Some say yes, some say no. Nonetheless in animals or humans the benefits are remarkable.

    I installed a continuous glucose monitor for this experiment and my levels seem to have noticeably evened out. It was so flat today I was starting to wonder if the monitor was working.

  171. I wonder if the Trump Mania is going to affect the punters market the same way it did when he got in?
    It appears to be heading the same way – the Left is screaming about Trump not having a chance, and the media is squealing about how Trump is a mad bastard and will be locked up.
    The books are running 1.85 for the Dems, and 1.95 for Trump. Hasn’t changed for a month or so.

  172. Knuckle Dragger

    Well.

    That’s my footy tips buggered this weekend. Two from six, and even those two were Richmond and West Coast.

    And I sincerely hope those Collingwood flogs that I love dearly but hate right now have been up to their nuts in Port Philip Bay since 0500, and are still there.

  173. Digger

    None, in 1973 the only semi (bordering on fully) professional Police diving team in Australia was in NSW and they came down to the RAN Diving School first at HMAS Rushcutter until 1968 and then to HMAS Penguin at least once per month or more for our night diving night on Tuesday or Thursday to join with us.

  174. Mitch M.

    Zippy,

    The benefits of DHM may go way beyond preventing hangovers. Appears to be a GABA-A agonist and may be neuro and liver protective. Hmmm …

    Dihydromyricetin prevents fetal alcohol exposure-induced behavioral and physiological deficits: the roles of GABAA receptors in adolescence.

    Interestingly, potentiation of mIPSCs by gaboxadol increased, while potentiation of Itonic decreased in DGCs from FAE rats. Co-administration of EtOH (1.5 or 2.5 g/kg) with DHM (1.0 mg/kg) in pregnant dams prevented all of the behavioral, physiological, and pharmacological alterations observed in FAE offspring.

    So do have a cure for fetal alcohol syndrome, if only we can make the expectant Mum take the stuff?

  175. Steve trickler

    Make your own mind up.



    Hahaaa…

  176. none

    A matter of degrees, Black Ball 🙄

  177. P

    Spent yesterday tramping around old Amsterdam.

    Enjoy.

    I’ve been playing tonight a CD made from my father-in-law’s recording of old folk songs he and his brother had played when they were young. My husband was born in the Jordaan in 1936 the sixth of eight children. He did not inherit his father’s voice (his brother did) but he did inherit his musical ability.
    He came to Australia when he was 22.
    Today was the anniversary of my beloved husband’s requiem.

  178. Knuckle Dragger

    The Jaapies giving us a bit of tap. Running at 8 an over. Criminy.

  179. Steve trickler

    Lucy, you are useless.

    Piss off!

  180. Top Ender:
    Any idea what the coppers were carrying? Sounds like a lot of shots fired for little result.

  181. Digger

    There has been less than 1300 CD’s qualified since the first course in 1955 averaging about 20 (in total including sailors and officers per year). Right now it is almost a national event when a CD course finishes. There is not a shortage of starters because they need to maintain the capability. The Chief of Navy presented graduation certificates to the Advanced CD course and Mine Warfare and Clearance Diving Officers Course just this week. There is only one such course per year and it takes the full year.

    3 sailors and 4 officers finished the course.

  182. Lazlo

    Nob,
    Bare headed cyclists in Amsterdam? Kids stuff.
    Try bare headed (as in bald) but long-haired ex hippies on Harley’s in South Carolina (God’s own).

  183. Bruce in WA

    Today was the anniversary of my beloved husband’s requiem.

    Sorry for your loss, P. Something I contemplate more as I grow older and realise my mortality.

  184. Black Ball

    Love cricket Dragger. Michael Clarke can fark off.

  185. none

    Digger, as others have noted above I’d say the BSW police would have been extremely grateful for the RAN training. Funny how we take so many things for granted and yet when you look at history you find these things are always born from two parts tragedy, one part bravery, and three parts visionary.

  186. Pedro the Ignorant

    Oh Lawdy.

    Just flicked over to the cricket from watching the West Coast Eagles absolutely demolish the Freo ferals and see the Saffas belting our bowlers all over the park.

    Like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are going to get.

    P.S. Michael Clarke is a maundering fool.

  187. none

    Digger

    #3098700, posted on July 6, 2019 at 10:59 pm

    Wow that’s a pretty specialised unit. So apart from the general fitness and physical capabilities, what sort of attributes do they look for in clearance divers. It certainly have to be very calm and measured I suppose…

  188. none

    Michael Clarke was always overrated. Aaugh.

  189. Bruce in WA

    the Freo ferals

    Can see why you’re Pedro the ignorant

  190. Bruce in WA

    Ooops … forgot the smiley face

  191. Steve trickler

    Again. Lucy is useless.



  192. Lazlo

    FFS! Fox Sport has stopped showing the Barty//Dart game midstream! Instead showing the Williams show pony. Having to tune into Channel 7 instead and support the msm. Grr..

  193. none

    Digger, I’m glad you stepped out from the shadows and made yourself known to us. Thank you for your service and for your comments tonight. I hope you will stick around.

  194. Knuckle Dragger

    Yes, yes, yes and yes.

    That dunderhead Clarke sounds like the work experience kid.

    Sacking it shortly. The plan is to get up pre-dawn and watch the end, and then doing the umpire gig all day tomorrow at the national U15 one day shindig.

    They have promised hot catered lunches. We’ll see about that. Some filthy rich 35 year old mummy widows wouldn’t go astray either.

  195. Pedro the Ignorant

    Geez.
    Scrolling upthread and see the posts re Navy divers and their exploits.

    Total respect, men.

    Why don’t our media report this sort of thing?

  196. Knuckle Dragger

    I’d better not get invited on a cruise, either.

  197. none

    Playing cricket in the middle of winter Knuckles?

  198. Bruce in WA

    Hey, Digger, what can I say except, sincerely, thank you.

    And to avoid being a hypocrite, I have to say that to anyone else who served … and I guess that includes Numbers.

  199. none

    Cruise invites are for post-menopausal spinsters, Knuckles.

  200. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Geez.
    Scrolling upthread and see the posts re Navy divers and their exploits.

    Total respect, men.

    Why don’t our media report this sort of thing?

    It’s beyond their limited comprehension to do so, Pedro.

  201. Black Ball

    Extol the virtue of Glenfiddich Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

  202. Pedro the Ignorant

    That bloody fool Clark is busy telling the world what he would do if he was captain and why the bowlers are getting flogged around the ground.

    Grandstanding dickhead,

    P.S for Bruce in WA. I am a longtime Perth Demons (WAFL) supporter and very familiar wth huge losses and wooden spoons.

    Permit me a short moment of gloating for a huge win by our neighbours at Lathlain. 🙂

  203. Knuckle Dragger

    It’s dry season in Darwin, None.

    31 degrees and clear skies every day from May to October. Ideal for crikkit, so a lot of southern types come up for the off-season.

  204. Hey Zulu!

    Spent yesterday tramping around old Amsterdam.

    Lotsa old buildings, and millions of bicycles. And sex shops.

    Every few metres there was enough mary-jane smoke to get a little high.

    Didn’t your sheila come from here? (Some nice ladeeze on display…)

    Top Ender,

    If you want to catch up for a beer at my windmill, give me a shout.

    ads_legend at hotmail dot com

  205. none

    Oh sorry Knuckles I keep forgetting you’re up the top end. For some bizarre reason I keep placing you in Canberra!!!???? *ducks*

  206. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Extol the virtue of Glenfiddich Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Quite drinkable, BB, but I’m trying a new Speyside, Glen Elgin, and it’s also quite drinkable.

  207. Bruce in WA

    I am a longtime Perth Demons (WAFL)

    Me too! For about 59 years! Dad was a rabid Demon; Mum was rabid East Perth … Saturdays were interesting at our house!

  208. Knuckle Dragger

    Hopefully Clarke will tell the story of how Simon Katich put the chicken on him when Clarke wanted the team song over with before time so he could go back to his hotel and brush his empty headed missus’ hair for her.

  209. Pedro the Ignorant

    Cruise invites are for post-menopausal spinsters, Knuckles.

    Harrumph.
    I take exception to that, none.

    The lady who invited me to go on a cruise with her was at least a couple of years off “the change”.

  210. Knuckle Dragger

    Canberra?

    BOOOOO!!!

  211. Bruce in WA

    … so he could go back to his hotel and brush his empty headed missus’ hair for her.

    Ooooh, harsh.

    But fair.

  212. I worked with an ex-CD a few years ago. Fantastic bloke; funny, open, and very humble as to his own abilities. He left the CD team because he wasn’t getting a chance to do what they were trained for. Said he was bored out of his mind.

  213. Lazlo

    Mistyped the email address previously. Hence in mod, I suspect.

  214. Bruce in WA

    Pedro, I get incensed when I see all the hooha about the Nicky Winmar statue.

    How quickly everyone forgets the great Barry Cable … whose statue should be there, not Winmar!

  215. Knuckle Dragger

    Clarke:

    ‘The lack of spin is helping Lyon.’

    Idiot.

  216. Memoryvault

    Evening all.
    Welcome Digger,
    Thank you for joining us.

  217. none

    LOL Pedro. She still had some spring her and you turned her down? Still, has she got a younger sister? Knuckles would like to know.

  218. I’m surprised Clarke is commentating. I thought only sheilas were allowed to comment the cricket now.

    Oh wait …

  219. none

    Said he was bored out of his mind.

    I guess that’s the lot of everyone in the ADF when there are not actually deployed full stop but in another sense you kinda hope they never have to be. It’s tough trying to manage that.

  220. Bruce in WA

    Cold and wet here … and I have a Clive Cussler novel to finish and a David Baldacci novel to start … and a leccie blanket … and a hot shower waiting … and I’ve done 6km walking today … so goodnight cats and kittens. I shall thee in the forenoon tomorrow.

  221. Bruce in WA

    I shall see thee in the forenoon tomorrow. FFS …

  222. none

    I thought Clarke had been dropped from the commentary team. OK I’m going to say it. There’s something unAustralian about Clarke. He is such an over-coiffed manufactured show pony. I have never thought that such vanity was characteristic of Australian men and so to see it makes me just think fraud fraud fraud.

  223. Lazlo

    Nob,
    Dutch millennials cycling without a helmet in Amsterdam is kid’s stuff.
    Helmetless, bald headed but long haired ex hippies thundering on their Harley’s in South Carolina is men’s stuff.
    How are Dee and Don?

  224. None,

    He is a man of his time.

  225. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I guess that’s the lot of everyone in the ADF when there are not actually deployed full stop but in another sense you kinda hope they never have to be. It’s tough trying to manage that.

    Fair comment, but you can get sick and tired of the “makework”, and the endless succession of exercises, where no – one ever seems to learn anything..

  226. Pedro the Ignorant

    Elle McPherson could have invited me to go on a cruise with her and I would have lied my head off to avoid accepting, despite the obvious fringe benefits.

    Cruise ships have been described by various Cats as “floating RSL clubs” and “hell ships populated by starving pensioners”. Fully concur.

    The lady concerned is a nice companion at the country race days or the occasional afternoon coffee, but she is a member of the CWA, and Zulu (also a country WA resident) has advised me that theCWA gals are more devious than the KGB when it comes to plotting and planning.

    Saffas still bashing our bowlers.

  227. Bruce in WA

    Good night, Bruce.

    Sleep tight, None.

  228. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Good night, Bruce. I’ve a large Scotch to finish, and a good book.

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