Political judgement

PDT is extraordinary in so many ways, not least of which is his political judgement. This is from, Trump Compares Ocasio-Cortez To Nazi Sympathizer, AOC Takes It As A Compliment.

The book, “American Carnage,” states that Trump saw Ocasio-Cortez on a cable news show and said: “I called her Eva Perón. I said, ‘That’s Eva Perón. That’s Evita.”

Trump reportedly told his team to contact then-Rep. Joe Crowley (D-NY) — who Ocasio-Cortez upset in the Democratic primary — to tell him that “he better get off his fat ass and start campaigning.”

No one else saw it then but Trump did. And he saw her danger as well. Nancy Pelosi and other Dems are beginning to see it as well, and who knows how electable she will be when she finally turns 35. Political madness is a contagion and as mad as AOC is, she is far from a discredited entity among her own constituency. In her own political judgement she may be the same kind of phenomenon as PDT.

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43 Responses to Political judgement

  1. Empire 5:5

    You assume a Dem candidate will be electable in 2028. I think that’s unlikely.

  2. AndrewWA

    If AOC is ever considered a realistic POTUS candidate then stop the world I want to get off……

  3. Entropy

    Hey they made a musical about Eva Peron and it has a really, really nice song. Madonna did a cover so there!

  4. Rafe Champion

    Never say “It couldn’t happen here.”

  5. Suburban Boy

    After the last six months of making herself look ridiculous and pissing-off her Democratic betters, I suspect that long before 2024 AOC’s career will be in ashes (contra Empire above, she doesn’t have to wait to 2028 to be qualified for the presidency).

    But if I’m wrong about that, I’m with AndrewWA.

  6. 132andBush

    At present in Australia she would garner a minimum of 10% of the vote (ie, all the green voters) and who knows how much of the loony labor fringe.
    Frightening!

  7. egg_

    Political madness is a contagion and as mad as AOC is, she is far from a discredited entity among her own constituency.

    Hence, ‘crazy eyes’ SHY.
    c/- T Blair.

  8. Karabar

    “We thought the border wall was a bad, racist idea,” said Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. “But then this light bulb turned on over my head. It was actually just a light bulb though, not an actual idea, which was disappointing. But that got me thinking about trying to have an idea. And I got an idea: when we switch to socialism, everyone’s gonna try to run away. But what if there’s a big, solid object along the border? Then they can’t run away. I mean, they could try to climb, but we could shoot them.”
    Mockery at The Babylon Bee

  9. I_am_not_a_robot

    Alexandria the musical, I can hardly wait.

  10. Rafe Champion

    How many people who like the song know the full story?

  11. Behind Enemy Lines

    Hey, there are a lot of stupid people out there, and they vote. Remember, career barmaid Evita Castro-Guevarez has already been elected once. Obama was elected twice, and the second time around he was at the top of the tree where everyone could see.

    Like Rafe said, never say “It couldn’t happen here.” In fact, as I think back to Juliar Gillard, it already has happened here.

  12. C. Paul Barreira

    Who knows what the issues will be in 2028? A candidacy by AOC may depend upon just how flexible she can be. If nothing else, politicians are rubbery creatures. Even by this time next year—when the campaign will still have another four months to run!—the issues may have changed and responses with them. So, in this sense, eight years is a long time indeed.

  13. Dr Fred Lenin

    Rafe in true Argentinian style the Perons were useless like Galatieri sort of whitlamish and ruddish ,everyoe loved them untill they got to know them ,then they hated them ith a passion . They probaby have a few followers eeven today ,like whitlam and stalin . The decromat aparat will destroy aoc ,she is a threat to them lying their way into power as her lies are different from the ones they have invented .
    Notice they say Trmp is associated with the Pervert Epstein ,one of Trumps staffs brother in laws cousins met Epstien once ,so obviously Trump is complicit ,no nention of billy clintons 27 air trips?

  14. FelixKruell

    The book, “American Carnage,” states that Trump saw Ocasio-Cortez on a cable news show and said: “I called her Eva Perón. I said, ‘That’s Eva Perón. That’s Evita.”

    I’m still in shock that Trump knew who Eva Peron was…

  15. Terry

    “I’m still in shock that Trump knew who Eva Peron was…”

    Why would that be shocking?

    There’s more to Trump than meets the eye (especially those of the wilfully, politically blind variety).

  16. “I’m still in shock that Trump knew who Eva Peron was…”

    Why would that be shocking?

    Quite so, why?

  17. Dr Fred Lenin

    I know about Juan and Evita Peron so why wouldnt President Trump ,felix must be a mate of ambassador comrade daroch of the remainer party ,who ispaid by the UK working for the EU corrupt comrades .

  18. FelixKruell

    Terry:

    Why would that be shocking?

    Because he otherwise has shown a shocking lack of knowledge of US history, let alone international history.

    His 4th of July speech being a good recent example.

  19. struth

    Because he otherwise has shown a shocking lack of knowledge of US history, let alone international history.

    His 4th of July speech being a good recent example.

    Examples?

  20. FelixKruell

    Struth:

    Examples?

    This bit:

    “In June of 1775, the Continental Congress created a unified army out of the revolutionary forces encamped around Boston and New York and named after the great George Washington, commander in chief. The Continental Army suffered a bitter winter of Valley Forge, found glory across the waters of the Delaware and seized victory from Cornwallis of Yorktown. Our army manned the [unclear], it [unclear] the ramparts, it took over the airports, it did everything it had to do. And at Fort McHenry, under “the rockets red glare,” it had nothing but victory. And when dawn came, their star-spangled banner waved defiant.”

  21. Mother Lode

    Why would that be shocking?

    Maybe it is beginning to dawn on him that when Trump is unlike his expectations it is he is the problem and not Trump.

  22. Mother Lode

    His 4th of July speech being a good recent example.

    His 4 July speech is an example of malapropism, something that everyone does occasionally. Like Julia Gillard and her ‘high dungeon’.

    The trick is (and for you it would be a ‘trick’, rather than the application of commonsense) to see if there is anything else said or done that would be consistent with the literal meaning of the error.

    Trump has never said anything that relied upon the existence of aviation, or any other technology that would be anachronistic, during the revolution. What he said would be perfectly accurate if he had meant ‘ports’ instead of ‘airports’.

    I am sure that if I heard you speak and took every word said as being the exact word you wished to say (note that we make that distinction?) then I imagine I would believe that there were objects called ‘fings’, ‘heaps’ was a universal measurement, and that ‘ummm’ and ‘errrr’ were legitimate and ubiquitous adjectives, pronouns, nouns, verbs…and your name.

    And here are some pearlers from that most refined, almost god-like, orator himself!

    1) “Let me be absolutely clear. Israel is a strong friend of Israel’s.”

    2) “I’ve now been in 57 states I think one left to go.”

    3) “On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes and I see many of them in the audience here today.”

    4) “What they’ll say is, ‘Well it costs too much money,’ but you know what? It would cost, about. It it it would cost about the same as what we would spend. It. Over the course of 10 years it would cost what it would costs us. (nervous laugh) All right. Okay. We’re going to it. It. would cost us about the same as it would cost for about hold on one second. I can’t hear myself. But I’m glad you’re fired up, though. I’m glad.”

    5) “The reforms we seek would bring greater competition, choice, savings and inefficiencies to our health care system.”

    6) “I bowled a 129. It’s like – it was like the Special Olympics, or something.”

    7) “Of the many responsibilities granted to a president by our Constitution, few are more serious or more consequential than selecting a Supreme Court justice. The members of our highest court are granted life tenure, often serving long after the presidents who appointed them. And they are charged with the vital task of applying principles put to paper more than 20 centuries ago to some of the most difficult questions of our time.”

    8) “Everybody knows that it makes no sense that you send a kid to the emergency room for a treatable illness like asthma, they end up taking up a hospital bed, it costs, when, if you, they just gave, you gave them treatment early and they got some treatment, and a, a breathalyzer, or inhalator, not a breathalyzer. I haven’t had much sleep in the last 48 hours.”

    9) “It was interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There’s a lot of I don’t know what the term is in Austrian, wheeling and dealing.”

    10) “I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future.”

    Still, it is interesting to see what you are reduced to trying to pass of as ignorance. I will take it that you cannot actually find anything of greater substance.

  23. FelixKruell

    Mother:

    Still, it is interesting to see what you are reduced to trying to pass of as ignorance. I will take it that you cannot actually find anything of greater substance.

    I wasn’t actually referring to the airport part of that speech – that’s an understandable slip of the tongue. It’s all the other errors in that paragraph, which show he has no idea (beyond badly reading the teleprompter) of what those historical people/events are.

  24. Percy Popinjay

    How many people who like the song know the full story?

    Always hated the song and unfortunately know the full story. Yet another reason why “Argentinea” is a corrupt socialist sh*thole (BIRM).

  25. Iampeter

    PDT is extraordinary in so many ways, not least of which is his political judgement.

    Well, this sounds like a well informed statement and is not at all something that would make more sense written as a parody, at The Onion.
    Hey here’s a question for the brilliant minds that post here:
    If you support Trump so much, on what grounds are you going to oppose someone like Bernie, or AOC?
    That’s assuming you even oppose them, but this is meant to be a right wing blog, so I’m assuming you do.

    I can’t wait for this upcoming election.
    The cognitive dissonance of conservatives is going to provide unintentional comedy gold without end.

  26. Tim Neilson

    Iampeter
    #3101795, posted on July 10, 2019 at 2:27 pm

    Poor old Iamashiteater.

    Mr sub-cretinous conceited ignoramus strikes again.

    Some of us are intelligent enough to realise that no political candidate is perfect and that a competent politician’s decision on any specific issue almost inevitably accommodates political realities rather than driving off a cliff in pursuit of ideological purity.

    We therefore understand that what we’re choosing in an election isn’t between opposing doctoral theses on sociology, but between different human beings as prospective decision makers.

    Yes, Trump has made and will continue to make decisions that many here disagree with. But he’s more likely than AOC or Bernie to make some decisions that we agree with. That’s ample grounds to support him in an election against either of them.

    I’d support Trump over AOC or Bernie because of tax cuts, judicial appointments and energy policy alone, whatever I thought of his other policies.

  27. Mother Lode

    I wasn’t actually referring to the airport part of that speech – that’s an understandable slip of the tongue. It’s all the other errors in that paragraph, which show he has no idea (beyond badly reading the teleprompter) of what those historical people/events are.

    And those errors were…?

  28. Empire 5:5

    Behind Enemy Lines
    #3101560, posted on July 10, 2019 at 9:55 am
    Hey, there are a lot of stupid people out there, and they vote. Remember, career barmaid Evita Castro-Guevarez has already been elected once. Obama was elected twice, and the second time around he was at the top of the tree where everyone could see.

    Stupid or gullible?

    From where have voters traditionally sourced their information about candidates? Will that hold until 2028? Will 6 corporations control 90% of information consumption by 2028?

    No they won’t. They have already lost the majority and the business model is bust.

    But what about new media you ask?
    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/09/us-appeals-court-says-trump-cannot-block-twitter-followers.html

    1A platform rights is now established precedent. They walked straight into the trap. These people are unfathomably stupid.

  29. anonandon

    Iampeter for the win. He never disappoints and never deviates.

  30. Dr Fred Lenin

    Will there still be a fake news industry in 2028? Surely their lack of credibility will destroy them by then ? ,they have lost all public confidennce with their demented hatred . They are insane now , Trumps re – election will drive them right over the edge . Our mental institutions will be bursting at the seams, and psychiatists over worked ,and the suicide rate will soar ,ah well , shit happens !

  31. FelixKruell

    Mother:

    And those errors were…?

    British General Cornwallis was of London; he was defeated at Yorktown.

    The Continental Army wasn’t named after Washington.

    In the first part, Trump mentions Valley Forge, crossing the Delaware and Yorktown, all of which occurred during the Revolutionary War. Then he says, “And at Fort McHenry …” and describes the battle in which the national anthem was written. This battle was fought in 1814 during the War of 1812.

  32. Mother Lode

    The Continental Army suffered a bitter winter of Valley Forge, found glory across the waters of the Delaware and seized victory from Cornwallis of Yorktown

    Whether Yorktown referred to Cornwallis or the victory is ambiguous. If written a comma after Cornwallis would clarify. Spoken it comes down to pronunciation. And no one refers to Cornwallis in connection to his hometown – no one refers to him as ‘Cornwallis of London’.

    Al the way through he refers to the Continental Army, he doesn’t refer to Washington’s Army. But people have since the referred to Washington’s Army. If he believed the Continental Congress had named the Army after Washington he would have referred to at such.

    As for events of the Revolution and the War of 1812 – trump was listing American military feats. The events in 1814 are listed, chronologically, after the Revolution. He never said they were the same war. Why should he? If I wanted to speak of the Australian martial spirit I would refer to the ANZACs, the Kokoda Track, Long Tan – without separating them into separate conflicts. I would only need to separate them out if I wished to distinguish between types.

    What is interesting is that looking on Goolag the only error listed is the ‘airports’ one, and they have funnelled all their a outrage into that.

    Perhaps they already realise the other ‘errors’ to be dead ends.

  33. FelixKruell

    Mother:

    And no one refers to Cornwallis in connection to his hometown – no one refers to him as ‘Cornwallis of London’.

    No one refers to it as a victory ‘from Cornwallis, of Yorktown’ either.

    If he believed the Continental Congress had named the Army after Washington he would have referred to at such.

    He may not have referred to it as such, but he claimed it was named as such. Pretty unambiguous.

    But maybe I’m being silly, taking him at his literal word.

  34. J.H.

    LOL…. Ol’ Pelosi is struggling to maintain control… She has these young Marxists and Muslim extremists running amok like AOC , Ilhan Omar and Rashida Talaib.

    Pelosi will be on a double Scotch ration just to stay calm…. Her slurred words are proof. 🙂

  35. J.H.

    LOL…. Ol’ Pelosi is struggling to maintain control… She has these young Marxists and Muslim extremists running amok like AOC , Ilhan Omar and Rashida Talaib.

    Pelosi will be on a double Scotch ration just to stay calm…. Her slurred words are proof of that. 🙂

  36. Iampeter

    We therefore understand that what we’re choosing in an election isn’t between opposing doctoral theses on sociology, but between different human beings as prospective decision makers.

    Yes, yes. You understand that you don’t understand anything about politics. It’s all just “doctorates of sociology” or something to you. You just want to vote like you’re watching a reality tv show.
    This is just like in the other thread, where you don’t know what words like “free speech” and “censorship” mean, but just want to use them “descriptively” not “definitively.”
    At the cat, statements of sheer ignorance are made as if they are an argument.

    Yes, Trump has made and will continue to make decisions that many here disagree with.

    Yea…let me know when we see that from Kates.
    Also, if Trump running an administration passing trillion dollar bills, regulating trade, threatening private enterprise, cowardly appeasing America’s enemies, amounts to merely, “decisions that many here disagree with,” then you may as well vote for Bernie or AOC. You don’t really seem all that fussed by anything fundamental.

    But he’s more likely than AOC or Bernie to make some decisions that we agree with.

    Well, he’s run a more left wing government than Obama so far, so can’t imagine why you’d assume that.
    This is why not knowing anything fundamental can be a problem, I guess…

    When ones understanding of politics is as deep as saying random political sounding terms, this is to be expected.

    Let me talk to you in terms you understand:

    Don’t say it won’t happen here!
    Oh but what about the balance of power?
    Of course but think of the democrats!
    Indeed but Judiciary appointments!
    Blah, blah, blah, politics, blah, blah, blah, politics
    Etc.

    hahahaha

  37. Zatara

    After the last six months of making herself look ridiculous and pissing-off her Democratic betters, I suspect that long before 2024 AOC’s career will be in ashes.

    I would wager a month’s pay that AOC is going to face the mother of all primary campaigns against her when it comes time to defend her seat. Quietly paid for by Democrats.

  38. Tim Neilson

    This is just like in the other thread, where you don’t know what words like “free speech” and “censorship” mean, but just want to use them “descriptively” not “definitively.”

    For those who missed it,Iamashiteater asserted (among other fatuities) that “censorship” was, definitively, something that could be done only by government.

    I posted the definition of “censorship” published by the American Civil Liberties Union

    Censorship, the suppression of words, images, or ideas that are “offensive,” happens whenever some people succeed in imposing their personal political or moral values on others. Censorship can be carried out by the government as well as private pressure groups. Censorship by the government is unconstitutional.

    Iamashiteater replied to that very comment strutting and preening that he knew what words meant and how to use them.

    As can be seen, he’s doubling down on his conceit, stupidity, ignorance and mendacity.

    Here’s the next bit of the ACLU’s commentary.

    In contrast, when private individuals or groups organize boycotts against stores that sell magazines of which they disapprove, their actions are protected by the First Amendment, although they can become dangerous in the extreme. Private pressure groups, not the government, promulgated and enforced the infamous Hollywood blacklists during the McCarthy period. But these private censorship campaigns are best countered by groups and individuals speaking out and organizing in defense of the threatened expression.

  39. Tim Neilson

    You don’t really seem all that fussed by anything fundamental.

    Poor old Iamashiteater.

    In the face of all the information available about the disasters of government enforced renewable energy, you dismiss my preference for Trump’s energy policies as not being about “anything fundamental”.

    I’d be highly delighted if you boycotted everything to which fossil fuels are an input if you feel that way.

  40. Tim Neilson

    But he’s more likely than AOC or Bernie to make some decisions that we agree with.

    Well, he’s run a more left wing government than Obama so far, so can’t imagine why you’d assume that.

    Poor old Iamashiteater. Another epic logic fail.

    Even if it were true that Trump was running a more left wing government that Obama, what does that have to do with choosing between Trump or Bernie/AOC?

    It’s just so desperately, tragically sad to see you flailing about beclowning yourself so abjectly.

  41. Empire 5:5

    At the cat, statements of sheer ignorance are made as if they are an argument

    Irrefutable. For example:

    You understand that you don’t understand anything about politics

    This author consistently makes evidence free assertions, but never coherent logical arguments. The motive remains unclear. Why would an individual claim superior intellect and knowledge, but refuse to walk the talk?

  42. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Also, if Trump running an administration passing trillion dollar bills, regulating trade, threatening private enterprise, cowardly appeasing America’s enemies, amounts to merely, “decisions that many here disagree with,” then you may as well vote for Bernie or AOC. You don’t really seem all that fussed by anything fundamental.

    This is a legitimate concern.

    Trump’s refusal to cut spending is the biggest threat to his own success, vis a vis a recession caused by crowding out.

  43. Empire 5:5

    Last time I checked, spending bills are the spawn of Congress.

    The RNC has made progress in eradicating dirty congresscritters since 45 effectively took control of the party. Conversely the DNC has doubled down. Every single prez aspirant endorses higher taxes/spending.

    “We’re very proud of many of the items that we’ve been able to get. We’re very disappointed that in order to fund the military, we had to give up things where we consider in many cases them to be bad or them to be a waste of money. But that’s the way unfortunately right now the system works,” Trump said at the White House. He added that he “looked very seriously” at a veto, but his support for the military spending levels “overrode” his concerns about the bill.

    A little perspective, please.

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