Open Forum: July 13, 2019

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  1. egg_

    Jennifer Aniston’s baps are looking as good as ever:

  2. Mark A

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #3108278, posted on July 15, 2019 at 10:10 pm

    You don’t really need to boil water till you want to make tea.

    What about childbirth?
    Didn’t you learn anything from sitcoms?
    They always asking for hot water and send the husband to boil some.

  3. mh

    INTERNAL DEM POLL: JUST 9% OF SWING VOTERS HAVE FAVORABLE VIEW OF ILHAN OMAR

    Just 22% have a favorable view of AOC

    https://www.infowars.com/internal-dem-poll-just-9-of-swing-voters-have-favorable-view-of-ilhan-omar/

  4. Entropy

    I despise Adam Sandler movies and the people who enjoy them.

    Except the wedding singer.

  5. egg_

    Nonitis must be contagious

  6. Infidel Tiger

    I despise Adam Sandler movies and the people who enjoy them.

    Except the wedding singer.

    I’ve been bingeing on them lately.

    They are all fantastic.

  7. Mitch M.

    The Inflamed Mind goes far beyond the clinic and the lab, exploring a whole new way of looking at how mind, brain and body all work together in a sometimes misguided effort to help us survive in a hostile world. It offers insights into the story of Western medicine, how we have got it wrong as well as right in the past, and how we could start getting to grips with depression and other mental disorders much more effectively in the future.

    `Psychiatry is on the brink of a revolution.’Sir Colin Blakemore, Professor of Neuroscience and Philosophy, University of London

    It’s simplistic is only because a few years ago a South Australian study found that while inflammation does exist in depression it is not always present and can vary at different stages of depression. Blakemore is just milking the popular science book buyers because there is a longstanding linkage with inflammation and depresssion, anxiety, bipolar, and schizophrenia and dementia. So the bold text above, that’s an outright lie. In the 1960’s it was found that the most common biomarker for depression was glucocorticoid resistance. Conveniently forgotten because then antidepressant drugs came along and everyone got addicted to serotonin\nore\acetylcholine\histamine interventions.

    BTW it’s not just the immune system by which to approach this question. It requires an understanding of the stress response axis, glucocorticoid regulation, immune function, and how all of these interact. If you want to understand that there is a brilliant paper by Sapolsky, Romero, and Munck which precedes this book by decades.
    Full text available(“inflammation” is mentioned at least 20 times)
    How Do Glucocorticoids Influence Stress Responses? Integrating Permissive, Suppressive, Stimulatory, and Preparative Actions
    https://academic.oup.com/edrv/article/21/1/55/2423840

  8. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    My immune system has been playing up badly since the ENT guy scorched my nostrils. Talk about inflammation. Now I want tea. Sneezing a lot. Is this depression? I am not prone to it but geez pleez what is the purpose of life?

    Answer: simply being part of it. Good days, bad days and just sorta ok days. Don’t expect too much and be grateful for what you’ve got. Sleep when tired. Dance when you can. Laugh and share a laugh. Keep away from ENT docs.

    So. Didya see that Lotto ad when dippy dame enters announcing she’s won and useless slobby man says when do we leave for big o/trip and she tells him she’s not going anywhere but she expects him to be gone by mid-day?

    Imagine the shrieks, says Hairy, if the roles were reversed and happy winning bloke pisses off ugly fat woman from his life.

  9. Mitch M.

    You don’t really need to boil water till you want to make tea.

    And when you have germ theory. Did the aborigines have germ theory or was it bad spirits that made people sick?

  10. jupes

    I despise Adam Sandler movies and the people who enjoy them.

    That new movie looks like a cracker. Glad I just got Netflix.

  11. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    My compliments, and thanks, to whichever Cat recommended the “Bakery Hill” single malt. A very fine drop, indeed.

  12. egg_

    That new movie looks like a cracker. Glad I just got Netflix.

    Watching it now, thought I’d share it.

  13. Muddy

    Mitch M.
    #3108299, posted on July 15, 2019 at 10:28 pm

    Thanks Mitch. I’ve bookmarked the link and will read it sometime this week.
    I guess I’m one of those suckers who consistently falls for the popular science schtick in the cause of self-education. I do find that many of these type of books tend to be crammed more with anecdotal information than analysis of whatever theory or concept is being proposed.

  14. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    What about childbirth, Mitch? Don’t remind me. Terrifying to think of the things they did to women in obstructed labour in times past. Torture.

    Boiling water was just an Old Wives’ ploy to keep husbands busy and away from the screaming. In later times it may have provided sterile water when cooled, useful for washing mum and bub when germs were a known reality.

    Men had warfare, women had childbirth.
    Made the nunnery look attractive.

  15. duncanm

    Some good lessons for the kids this arvo. We were looking into the history of a local Vietnam war site, and all the info is about it’s use as a base for the attack on the local town during the Tet offensive. Following that up we looked up the Hue massacre (s), which Vietnam still officially refuses to recognise or discuss.

    A good lesson in socialist revisionism.

  16. Memoryvault

    It’s only 10.30 pm, and already the local temp is 9 degrees and dropping like a rock.
    Welcome to wonderfully warm, sub-tropical QLD.

  17. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Following that up we looked up the Hue massacre (s), which Vietnam still officially refuses to recognise or discuss.

    Six to eight thousand South Vietnamese civilians, murdered by the North Vietnamese, after the fall of the city in the Tet offensive of 1968.

  18. Mitch M.

    Thanks Mitch. I’ve bookmarked the link and will read it sometime this week.
    I guess I’m one of those suckers who consistently falls for the popular science schtick in the cause of self-education. I do find that many of these type of books tend to be crammed more with anecdotal information than analysis of whatever theory or concept is being proposed.

    We all fall prey to that trap. Hard to avoid. Depression is multi-faceted so no silver bullets. I think the current explosion in depression and anxiety may have something to do with the unrealistic expectations that people have been encouraged to entertain and expect from life. The crisis of suicide in middle aged men is the shame they feel at being failures, even if they have been relatively successful in life they expected more from life.

  19. None

    Shy Ted – if you Googled the motorcycle shop you will get motorcycle ads forever. I if you don’t want Google to track you or see targeted ads then don’t use Chrome, use a browser like Firefox which lets you block a lot of tracking cookies, also go to myactivity.google.com and change all your settings to stop Google tracking you, Auto uploading your photos or phone data or whatever other ghastly things they feel entitled to take from you etc etc. Use a VPN if you can and never send any personal information via Google mail which is insecure. And so on. There are plenty reputable sites with good information on all of this.

  20. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Following that up we looked up the Hue massacre (s), which Vietnam still officially refuses to recognise or discuss.

    You mean the massacres that took place during the “war of national liberation?”

  21. mh

    England should hand over the World Cup to the Kiwis.

    It’s the right thing to do.

  22. None

    A good lesson in socialist revisionism.

    Your kids are lucky to have you.

  23. None

    Imagine the shrieks, says Hairy, if the roles were reversed and happy winning bloke pisses off ugly fat woman from his life.

    indeed. Someone should just make that had and stick it up on YouTube.

  24. None

    In the 1960’s it was found that the most common biomarker for depression was glucocorticoid resistance. 

    I would have thought of glucocorticoid resistance is quite rare. Depression is quite common.

  25. Memoryvault

    Men had warfare, women had childbirth.
    Made the nunnery look attractive.

    Evening Lizzie.
    You want to experience real pain? Try recovering from open heart surgery where they saw you in half, then stitch your chest back together with the medical equivalent of piano wire.

    Then you sneeze.

  26. Muddy

    I think the current explosion in depression and anxiety may have something to do with the unrealistic expectations that people have been encouraged to entertain and expect from life.

    To a degree, I concur, especially regarding anxiety (which is such a broad term – much like ‘disability’ now).
    I must head off to seek sleep, but thanks for responding.

  27. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Try recovering from open heart surgery where they saw you in half, then stitch your chest back together with the medical equivalent of piano wire.

    Should have had private health care then, shouldn’t you?

  28. johanna

    Spider
    #3107969, posted on July 15, 2019 at 4:38 pm

    Speaking of Space.

    Yes I don’t doubt aboriginals may have looked up in the night sky and could have used stars etc to guide them but the expanding claims of
    Indigenous Astronomy are starting to sound ridiculous.

    Actually, there was indigenous astronomy – but not by mainland Aborigines. Torres Strait Islanders sailed longish distances using, among other things, astral navigation. The mainlanders, whom the TSI crowd regarded as primitive savages, are not known to have done any serious sea travel.

  29. None

    I think the current explosion in depression and anxiety may have something to do with the unrealistic expectations that people have been encouraged to entertain and expect from life.

    1. Unbalanced diet and no exercise
    2. No religion, no hope ( or is Jordan Peterson says live every day as if there was a god)
    3. Not cleaning your room ( take responsibility)
    4. Stress, PTSD, etcetera etcetera
    5. Chronic illness

  30. duncanm

    ZK2A – indeed.

    The propaganda here is layed on. All pervasive.

    The Hue aftermath makes a good comparison to the official record in the Saigon war remnants museum, which was all about the imperial aggressors.

    The only locals mentioned were innocent villagers subject to war.

  31. Rae

    Nanomachines can bore cancer cells to death

    UV light activates the molecular drilll causing it to spin at more than a million rpm, which allows it to bore through a cell membrane

    Creating a perfect opportunity for the cancer to metastasize. The patients’ PET/CT scans will be lighting up with secondaries 3 to 6 months later.

  32. Mark A

    Yes I don’t doubt aboriginals may have looked up in the night sky and could have used stars etc to guide them

    I doubt that the aborigines had done any serious traveling at night.
    No need for it for one and also dangerous with snakes and ground hazards.

    I’m sure hey used the sun as a nav. aid though .

  33. Memoryvault

    Should have had private health care then, shouldn’t you?

    Evening Zulu.
    I didn’t know private health cover prevented sneezing attacks.
    You learn something new every day.

  34. Bruce in WA

    Jennifer Aniston’s baps are looking as good as ever:

    Indeed they are — as are Gemma Atherton’s. Sadly, Jen’s a Hollywood featherhead in real life. However, the movie is a lot of easy-going, mindless fun. Just what you need after a hard day. I even forgive Adam Sandler after this; normally, I cannot stand him.

  35. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Evening Zulu.
    I didn’t know private health cover prevented sneezing attacks.
    You learn something new every day.

    My sincere apologies, M.V. I’ve discovered rather a good single malt, courtesy of another Cat, and the mood is somewhat flippant.

  36. zyconoclast

    Jeffery A Tucker

    If there is one issue that should unite all Americans it is opposition to nationalism.

  37. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    ZK2A – indeed.

    The propaganda here is layed on. All pervasive.

    Yes, but some Australians swallowed that propaganda – hook, line and sinker.

  38. Mitch M.

    What the aborigines are claiming is not exceptional. It happened in many places and at least there they have hard evidence of the observations. See last link.

    The below makes a remarkable and appropriately qualified claim but given the recent findings of possible homo erectus presence in the Philippines some 700,000 years it is perhaps not without merit.

    Maritime navigation in the Lower and Middle Paleolithic

    The evidence for Pleistocene maritime colonisations in the Mediterranean and in eastern Asia is reviewed. On present indications, seafating may have begun in Indonesia about a million years ago, leading to the hominid settlement of several islands during the late part of the Early Pleistocene. This development is being studied by archaeological and replicative means, the latter involving experimentation with sea-going rafts and various technological factors.

    http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/astronomy.htm

  39. Memoryvault

    No need for apologies, Zulu.
    I figured you were joking and replied in like manner.

  40. Bruce in WA

    A Sydney woman has taken ‘Paw-ternity’ leave for a new puppy.

    (Can’t link … it was on 9 News)

    🙁

  41. Muddy

    Bruce in WA
    #3108344, posted on July 15, 2019 at 11:23 pm

    A Sydney woman has taken ‘Paw-ternity’ leave for a new puppy.

    What type of leave can she take when the puppy scratches her, or denies her affection?

    Sorry, I was going to bed, wasn’t I?
    *Sigh*
    Goodnight insufferablacs.
    I mean, insomniacs.

  42. Memoryvault

    8 degrees now and still dropping steadily.
    I’m glad I live in a warm climate.

  43. Memoryvault

    What type of leave can she take when the puppy scratches her, or denies her affection?

    Domesticated violence.

  44. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    8 degrees now and still dropping steadily.
    I’m glad I live in a warm climate.

    Global warming, anyone? Greta whatsherface will there to give you a lecture?

  45. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    None, don’t be distressed. Your recent comments upthread have been reasoned and readable and put your case well; all you need to do imho. I am sure Doomy doesn’t want you gone, just tempered at times (something he wishes many of his flock to be, not just you, or me for that matter).

    Don’t be sad or huffy. It is not pleasant to feel misunderstood; one reason why I moved to disclosure mode, even though I knew the world would cease to appreciate my assets, which is quite unfair because they are still very worthy of well-judged appreciation. 🙂

    That said, when writing the main game for me in any narrative I create is emotive and cerebral rather than blow by blow. I prefer to leave much to the reader’s interpretive imagination..

    Anyway, here is just a blog. Live and let live.

  46. Steve trickler

    24 minutes of the Big Boy. From July 11 – 14.

    I could look, but I’ve yet to see any major MSM coverage on this marvel pop up in the feeds. “Big Boy” might be problematical with all the Qwerty crap. And he burns used motor oil.



  47. Memoryvault

    Steve,
    I could probably get a little bit more excited about Big Boy if it wasn’t for the bloody great diesel electric right behind it.

  48. zyconoclast

    Just in case you missed it. (I did)
    International Non Binary Day

  49. JC

    Forget the elevator. Just think about the EIS and OH&S on it.

    Really? Because health and safety aspects of traveling in space by rocket is as safe as taking an Uber? The fail rate of rockets was about 1 in 70. I’m not sure it’s much improved. Also, I think your assumptions about safety matters are assuming the ACTU will be overseeing OH&S.

    Look, now that the private market is taking a looksee at space travel costs will improve. However, in order to get meaningful payloads into space, that will only be done with elevators and that’s about 50 to 100 years away.

    Not happening. The SpaceX folks have done a wonderful job. If I was 45 years younger I’d try to be one of them. Much of my stuff flies but not in space.

    I don’t trust anything Musk says unless its proven beyond reasonable doubt. I’m from Missouri with whatever Musk says or is involved in.

    Stick to trading equities, you clearly haven’t ever engineered anything.

    Sure. What have you engineered that was something new?

  50. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Obstructed childbirth and its traditional interventions has similarities to open heart surgery, MV. You are being torn in half. Your vertebrae crack and your pubic bone fractures. You die in agony. Extreme pain was a common enough feature of life for both men and women.

    We are having lunch tomorrow with a friend of ours who had open heart surgery four weeks ago; will hear his tale about it all then. We will also get his wife’s version. 🙂

    I saw quite a bit of obstructed childbirth when travelling in New Guinea in 1964. Took four cases to a district hospital once in the back of a Land Rover over boulders called a road. 10km per hour for 3 hrs, women vomiting and terrified, their first time in a vehicle.

  51. Memoryvault

    We are having lunch tomorrow with a friend of ours who had open heart surgery four weeks ago; will hear his tale about it all then.

    The surgery itself and recovery is not so bad, Lizzie. I’ve experienced worse.
    But sneezing is eye-wateringly mind boggling.
    I would not wish it on my worst enemy.

    The cat has decided it’s bed time.

  52. JC

    Brief piece on the Apollo 11 piece at the WSJ.

    Claims about new fangled stuff coming out of these missions is bullshit. Teflon frying pans existed for instance. The biggest thing to come out of these missions was the management process of putting it all together.

    Apollo, according to the dude in the vid, NASA created a new kind of management system. 400,000 people in 2500 firms made 5.5 million bits of things that was then put together to make the rocket and it all had to be perfect. That’s the magic of Apollo, I think. This management system that NASA invented is still with us.. see Boeing and Airbus for instance.

    watch it here.

  53. Steve trickler

    Memoryvault
    #3108352, posted on July 15, 2019 at 11:42 pm

    There is a reason for that.

    Dynamic breaking and the need to push between fuel and water stops. It helps in between. Logistics. That Diesel will always be there. And so it should.

    This Beast needs to be protected.

  54. JC

    It’s also the massive and complex supply chains we use today, that a lot of luddites who are posting here these days ignore.

  55. Mark A

    Steve trickler
    #3108361, posted on July 16, 2019 at 12:17 am

    Dynamic breaking and the need to push between fuel and water stops. It helps in between. Logistics. That Diesel will always be there. And so it should.

    How did they ever manage without them?

  56. Whalehunt Fun

    I was recently given documents showing that both Amy and I are descended from people who owned slaves.

    Idiot, Everyone has, amongst your 2 million years of ancestors, ( approx 80,000 generations of ancestors) is basically every person in existence before the year zero.

    So everyone has millions of ancestors who owned slaves, who owned a horse, who did not, who could not dance well, who could, basically anything. Some people even had ancestors as stupid as you.

    Utter idiot.

  57. Steve trickler

    Here MV. The reason for the Diesel becomes clear.



  58. Steve trickler

    Mark A
    #3108363, posted on July 16, 2019 at 12:25 am

    It is not the old days. You spend 5 years rebuilding this thing, you protect it. Prudent.

  59. Mark A

    Steve trickler
    #3108368, posted on July 16, 2019 at 12:33 am

    Mark A
    #3108363, posted on July 16, 2019 at 12:25 am

    It is not the old days. You spend 5 years rebuilding this thing, you protect it. Prudent.

    I’m with it man, only jesting.

  60. Mark A

    Mark A
    #3108369, posted on July 16, 2019 at 12:37 am

    PS
    Although I think they still have work to do on the burners as he said, I’ve seen oil burning steam and hardly any smoke at all.

    Once you have the air-fuel mix and the preheater in tune it should be virtually smoke free.

  61. Steve trickler

    I am still learning about this, Mark. I am not going to pretend to know otherwise.

    The belching black smoke is particulate burn off. Clearing of the throat, so to speak….yet to see Greenpeace lay on the tracks, yet….hahaa.

  62. None

    Unfuckingbelievable:

    Fury over anti-Israel Year 12 paper

    A practice assessment says Israel persecuted Arabs because ‘they don’t follow Jewish religion’.

    At the Oz. Whoever set that paper should be named and shamed. And sacked for promulgatING lies.

  63. None

    Unfuckingbelievable:

    Fury over anti-Israel Year 12 paper

    A practice assessment says Israel persecuted Arabs because ‘they don’t follow J-wish religion’.

    At the Oz. Whoever set that paper should be named and shamed. And sacked for promulgating lies.

  64. None

    Hi Lizzie – thanks for your kind words
    No I’m not distressed but thanks for your thoughts anyway. I will take your word on your assets!

    (BTW I had absolutely no issue with you throwing people off scent. Sensible move).

  65. JC

    None:

    (BTW I had absolutely no issue with you throwing people off scent. Sensible move).

    There’s the obvious let down over perkiness, which I’m now referring to it as Perkiegate. 🙂

  66. bespoke

    H/T Unstapundit.

    BILL WHITTLE ON THE APOLLO 11 ANNIVERSARY:

    Bill is on is real, not virtual. The headline link (above) will take you to the premiere episode, with four more to follow between now and July 20.

  67. DrBeauGan

    Just got back from first attempt to extend my visa. Will try again Thursday.

    Cuban bureaucracy is very noisy with many people queuing for hours. A woman I sat next to had a huge sheaf of documents to get her out of the country. You don’t just buy an airticket in this part of the world. It’s scary when the state gets in your face.

  68. bespoke

    Just got back from first attempt to extend my visa

    Why DrBeau?

  69. Mark A

    bespoke
    #3108391, posted on July 16, 2019 at 3:40 am

    Just got back from first attempt to extend my visa

    Why DrBeau?

    Sucker for punishment or secretly enjoying himself.
    Do we hear wedding bells?

  70. bespoke

    Could be code for get me out of hear, Mark.

  71. Mark A

    bespoke
    #3108393, posted on July 16, 2019 at 4:02 am

    Could be code for get me out of hear, Mark.

    Yeah, recall he was asking Spiky (sp?) to join him.

  72. bespoke

    He gone all quiet so some things up. I may have one my bet.

  73. bespoke

    Yes it is and I’m sick of it.

  74. Mark A

    Tom is late… again!

  75. Tom

    The global left has lost its mind over Trump’s decision to take on the Joo-hating anti-American frightbats of the Democratic Party. David Rowe.

  76. Tom

    Meanwhile, there’s still another week to go before the new British prime minister Boris Johnson is formally appointed on July 23. Steve Bright (London Sun).

  77. RobK

    Zanetti is a winner, for sure. Cheers Tom.

  78. DrBeauGan

    Thanks Tom.

    For some reason the spaminator doesn’t like me thanking you.

  79. DrBeauGan

    I find Havana interesting bespoke, and I don’t want to go back to Perth until it’s a bit warmer. Havana has it’s problems, but the people are kind and friendly. Some are on the make, but that happens everywhere.

    Definitely no wedding bells, Mark. I like freedom too much. I have gazed into the jaws of matrimony, been swallowed alive and fought my way out. Now I run from the horrid sight unless it’s happening to other people.

  80. bespoke

    Fare enough DrBeau. Pity you have t go over there to find them.

  81. RobK

    https://www.chinadialogue.net/article/show/single/en/11379-Can-the-global-cement-industry-cut-its-carbon-emissions-

    It’s everywhere around us but cement is not a material we tend to give much thought to. The powdery substance is a key ingredient in concrete, which has been called “the most destructive material on Earth”.

    Cement is responsible for around 7% of global carbon emissions. If the cement industry were a country then it would be the largest carbon emitter after China and the US.

    To be in line with the Paris Agreement, the cement industry must reduce its annual carbon emissions by at least 16% by 2030, according to a report published by UK thinktank Chatham House last year.

    However, economic growth in the next 30 years, particularly in developing countries, is predicted to increase cement demand from four to over five billion tonnes a year. The largest producer of cement is China, followed at a distance by India and then the EU, according to Chatham House.

    How can the cement industry lower emissions?

    Changing the recipe for cement, making cement kilns more efficient, powering them with biofuels and using waste heat to generate electricity can all reduce carbon emissions.

    Chatham House notes that replacing fossil fuels and making cement kilns more efficient has already achieved an 18% fall in CO2 per tonne of output globally. But total emissions from the cement industry have risen significantly because demand has tripled since 1990.

    And…

    Progress in the sector?

    Industry organisations are also working on CO2 reduction. The GCCA is encouraging its members to act through the Sustainability Charter it launched in 2018. This requires full members to implement sustainability initiatives across five categories including climate change and energy, environment and nature, and circular economy. They also have to develop climate change mitigation strategies, publish targets, report progress and share best practice with other members.

    However, analysis published by the Carbon Disclosure Project (CDP) last year warned that the sector risked missing the Paris targets unless it more than doubled its emissions reduction efforts. It noted the importance of CCS to the sector but said that CCS projects were largely at the pilot stage, and that progress by companies other than HeidelbergCement was limited.

    The Chatham House research meanwhile assessed the amount of innovation underway in the sector. By analysing some 4,500 patents filed over 14 years it found considerable innovation, in particular around substituting clinker and producing novel cements.

    The analysis also revealed China to be a hub of innovation, investing more than any other country in cement research and development, and dominating other countries in terms of the number of patent filings.

    “This is encouraging from a decarbonisation perspective, as China is projected to continue to account for a major share of global cement production,” the researchers noted.

    However, the research also noted that few of the patents had been commercialised, and none had reached widespread application.

    So much scope for regulation. RTWT

  82. rickw

    The global left has lost its mind over Trump’s decision to take on the Joo-hating anti-American frightbats of the Democratic Party.

    Rowe has definitely lost his mind.

  83. DrBeauGan

    I’ve never been in a communist shit-hole before, bespoke. The kindness of the people contrasts strangely with the shitty infrastructure. Far worse than Sri Lanka. That was run down too, but not so much.

    Yet there are many Islands of free market Capitalism all over the place. Hundreds of tiny shops and lots of street traders. A little shop selling 3 cuc ice-creams. And getting plenty of customers. I have to wait in a queue most days.

    So it doesn’t fit the stereotypes very well. So few things do when you look closely.

  84. bespoke

    DrBeau

    No mater what system you live under people are on the make. But what your experiencing in Cuba is a lot more honest and understandable.

  85. JC

    All four of them deserve a decent freaking hiding, but you’d administer the whack with a hidden smirk.

    Four children found after 900km joyride in family car

    A 900km cross-border road trip has ended overnight after four northern Queensland children were found taking a joyride in a family 4WD.

    The alarm was raised after three boys, one aged 14 and two 13-year-olds, along with a 10-year-old girl, took the silver Nissan Patrol from Gracemere, in the Rockhampton region, on Saturday.

    The 4WD belongs to the father of one of the children, police said.

    The group took fishing rods and cash, and one of the children left a note for his family indicating he was leaving, according to authorities.
    Pictured is the Nissan Patrol 4WD police have since found in their search for four Gracemere Queensland children.
    A search for four missing Queensland children has ended after the group took a cross-boarder joyride in a family 4WD, police say. Source: Queensland Police Service

    It was believed the vehicle had traveled across the border to New South Wales and had been sighted near Glen Innes early yesterday afternoon – a journey that would take 10 hours of non-stop driving to complete.

    The vehicle was seen at a service station in Banana where it filled up with petrol before driving off without anyone paying, police said.

    Police, who appealed for public assistance to find the four missing children, later found them safe in the Grafton, in NSW’s Northern Rivers region.

    Authorities thanked the media and the public for their assistance in finding the children.

    Investigations into the matter are ongoing.

    The investigation is ongoing. Lol… as though it’s a complex homicide case.

  86. bespoke

    understandable excusable.

  87. bespoke

    All four of them deserve a decent freaking hiding, but you’d administer the whack with a hidden smirk

    Sounds like runaways or some foolish adventure, JC. If just being fooling punish sure but ‘whack’ no.

  88. JC

    Don’t go all PC on me, Bespoke. They all deserve a clip over the ear, but not a hard one.

  89. bespoke

    It’s not PC to make the punishment fit the crime, JC, And the imitative of them has some appeal. What a story they will have to tell the grand kids.

  90. DrBeauGan

    No mater what system you live under people are on the make. But what your experiencing in Cuba is a lot more honest and understandable.

    That’s how I see it too, bespoke. I can forgive poor people for being desperate and doing things I wouldn’t. As someone said earlier, morals are for those with some money.

    People like our politicians not so much. In fact, not at all.

  91. DrBeauGan

    Yes I like the initiative and independence of those kids. But if they were mine I’d smack their bottoms when I caught up with them. And be glad to have them back undamaged.

  92. Top Ender

    Did Richard the Lion Heart really get imprisoned in a castle in Durnstein, Austria?

    Upon visiting the village, I journeyed up the very steep one kilometre path to the ruins of the castle to carry out just a little research to see if that would shed any light on the question.

    And the answer tomorrow or the next day when I get it finished.

  93. bespoke

    What did do as a kid Granddad?

    Posted selfie’s on Facebook.

    What did do as a kid Granddad?

    Wen’t on a epic cross country adventure…..

    Who is going to make the most difference?

  94. MatrixTransform

    I’ve discovered rather a good single malt

    you’re welcome.
    not bad for a drop knocked up in a shed in bayswater.

    I gave some to a client one xmas … promptly mixed it with coke
    heathen

    can you kindly stop hanging shit on me because I cant afford it?

    If only the Crazy Old Mole had a job

  95. Bruce of Newcastle

    For late night Cats who are bored here is an idea:

    People are stapling bread to trees and sharing the photos on Reddit

    Because logic has no place in our current universe, people are stapling slices of bread to trees and bragging about it online.

    “I found a surprising amount of pride and identity in something as simple as stapling sliced bread to a worthy tree,” Reddit user TheSouthPawScrub tells Fox News. “It felt good being a part of something bigger than myself, which was part of the allure to joining in the fun.”

    I suppose there are worse things you could do.

  96. DrBeauGan

    I suppose there are worse things you could do.

    Watch women’s soccer?

  97. Twostix

    So I log into the soviet “Mygov” cental comitte citizen portal.

    Before I can do my mandatory tax business my own government pops up and yells at me (in bold no less):

    The Department of Human Services acknowledges the Traditional Custodians of the lands we live on.

    We pay our respects to all Elders, past and present, of all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander nations

    This is definitely hell.

  98. Twostix

    I hope and athiestic right wingers and libertarians are happy.

    Instead of one god and one religion – largely unchanging and a known quantity, we’re going to have thousands and thousands which change yearly and they are all leftwing.

  99. feelthebern

    Instead of one god and one religion – largely unchanging and a known quantity, we’re going to have thousands and thousands which change yearly and they are all leftwing.

    Statist alert.

  100. feelthebern

    Norm Macdonald.
    NSFW.

  101. feelthebern

    Why would Leigh Sales & the ABC have on a discredited person with clear mental issues?
    Will the ABC now give the same amount of air time to the lady who made allegations against Bill Shorten?

  102. Knuckle Dragger

    Report back, TE.

    I was of the understanding that Richard was captured and held in Austria for some months on his way back from the Holy Land, and that he had to squeeze the Poms dry to pay for both his ransom and his expeditions.

  103. Twostix

    The most revolting bit of this brand new obsessive abo worshipping cult that has swept the bugman classes is that they’re worshipping another people’s ancestors.

    It’s ancestral cuckdom!

  104. Entropy

    The group took fishing rods and cash, and one of the children left a note for his family indicating he was leaving, according to authorities.
    Pictured is the Nissan Patrol 4WD police have since found in their search for four Gracemere Queensland children.

    If you lived in Gracemere you would do the same. Also, if I lived in Gracemere, “that could have been my son.”

  105. Entropy

    There would have been extensive executive meetings, planning sessions and IT expense to deliver that little pop up of surrogate ancestor worship.

    On your taxes.

  106. Notafan

    On the childbirth thing, western women count themselves very fortunate for modern medicine pioneered by the patriarchy.

    If they don’t they should.

    The ‘harmful traditional practices’ are usually fgm (for those western women who think white patriarchy should MYOB)

    Not waiting till female is a fully grown adult is another one.

    Suspect that those two, often in combination, might account for a very large percentage of the high rate of fistulas in Africa.

    Emergency caesarian for obstruction is not that common in the West, and some hospitals have policies of better safe than sorry eg first baby in breech presentation must have caesarian in case pelvis too small (don’t know if that has changed)

    I’ve read some gruesome accounts of what gets delivered at the end of an obstructed birth.

    fistulas

  107. Twostix

    The bugman replaces his own people with africans and his own ancestors with aboriginals.

    He likes the bottom. He loves being dominated, like montry and numbers coming here daily to be yelled at. The love the feel of being cucked.

  108. DrBeauGan

    Instead of one god and one religion – largely unchanging and a known quantity, we’re going to have thousands and thousands which change yearly and they are all leftwing.

    In my book, you can believe whatever nutty garbage you like, as long as you don’t try to force it on others. You can believe that stapling bread to trees is a worthy activity if you want.

    The acknowledge of the wonderfulness of aboriginal culture is getting a trifle tiresome though. It would be tiresome even if aboriginal culture were admirable.

  109. The Countess

    On making the punishment fit the crime vis-a-vis the joyriders: have them walk home. Supervised of course.

  110. Knuckle Dragger

    It would appear that former Saint Nicky Winmar is due to front the beak for boxing on with a taxi driver after being asked to provide proof of ability to pay the fare (like everyone else).

    Evidently the driver didn’t see the similarity between the fat screamy bloke and the statue.

  111. feelthebern

    People still take taxi’s ?
    How quaint.

  112. Dr Faustus

    The acknowledge of the wonderfulness of aboriginal culture is getting a trifle tiresome though. It would be tiresome even if aboriginal culture were admirable.

    It’s a well tried process.

    Once the form of words “we acknowledge…” becomes ubiquitous and everyday familiar, prole support for voices to parliament, recognition, treaty – or whatever – becomes an instinctive response.

  113. Knuckle Dragger

    Well, Winmar didn’t get to ride in one that night.

    He got a different form of transport, and not where he wanted to go.

  114. Cassie of Sydney

    “feelthebern
    #3108447, posted on July 16, 2019 at 7:11 am
    Why would Leigh Sales & the ABC have on a discredited person with clear mental issues?
    Will the ABC now give the same amount of air time to the lady who made allegations against Bill Shorten?”

    Of course not……the ABC….Nine…all selective. It just adds to the fact as to why I refuse to watch the ABC. But the point is that a “rape” allegation is a serious issue and should never ever have been politicised. But that’s what the left do….they politicise everything….and therefore they diminish everything. Donald Trump is so huge that this discredited female won’t hurt or hinder him but the pathetic allegation trivialises sexual assault. It’s happening here…..I can honestly say that until last night I had never watched an episode of 60 Minutes in my life….but I did after watching the Bolt Report and Andrew’s interview with the wonderful Bettina Arndt…where Bolt refers to the Channel Nine interview with John Jarratt.

    So after watching Bolt I went online and I viewed the entire and utterly heart wrenching interview that Nine did with John Jarratt…..worth watching….basically it follows him up to trial and afterwards….so let me write this….

    NO MAN SHOULD EVER, EVER BE SUBJECTED TO WHAT JOHN JARRATT WENT THROUGH.

    And I want accountability applied to that putrid skank Dick Tracey……where is the accountability directed by the media and others at Skank Tracey because she deliberately went out of hew way to solicit complaints….and for those with short memories…..it was Skank Tracey that solicited the FALSE complaint against John Jarratt. Oh that’s right….the media enabled her and cheered her on. Apparently Skank Tracey has disabled her twitter account in recent days to go on leave….what a coward…she has always been quick to smear others…who can forget her Abbott smear….but she obviously doesn’t like being faced with the truth of her smears. So Skank Tracey has gone on leave from twitter..here’s what the skank wrote yesterday…

    “Very excited to announce I’m taking an eight week social media sabbatical. 🤩
    However I’m still working during this time, aside from a brief break next week.
    For work-related matters, please email [email protected].
    See you on the other side!”

    What a fucking coward. The “other side” should be that Skank Tracey NEVER works again….the damage she deliberately, venally and maliciously solicited and enabled with the false allegation about Jarratt is something he will NEVER recover from…..his family, his career, his reputation, the money he has had to spend to clear his name….the whole episode was and is SHAMEFUL.

    Where is the accountability?

  115. Memoryvault

    Steve trickler
    #3108365, posted on July 16, 2019 at 12:26 am

    Here MV. The reason for the Diesel becomes clear.

    Thanks for that explanation and clip, Steve.
    The setup had me wondering – I’m a great lover of steam engines and was fairly certain Big Boy would be technically capable of hauling the load. You have provided the answer.

  116. Bruce of Newcastle

    Bern, the spacecraft is leaving in December and flying past Earth the following December. It isn’t stopping, just dropping the dirt capsule, which has a heat shield. So no need for any complex orbital insertion stuff which is what tends to cause long transit times. That asteroid is also one in Earth’s backyard.

    Hayabusa 2 wiki

  117. Memoryvault

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #3108468, posted on July 16, 2019 at 7:54 am

    It isn’t stopping, just dropping the dirt capsule

    Bruce,
    Maybe one of the Japanese boffins saw “The Martian” with Matt Damon.

  118. amortiser

    Try recovering from open heart surgery where they saw you in half, then stitch your chest back together with the medical equivalent of piano wire.

    That’s why they give you one of those huggy pillows to use when you are going to cough or sneeze.

    What’s more painful than childbirth are kidney stones. How do I know this? If you have ever had them, you don’t opt to have them again!!

  119. Mother Lode

    Rowe has a very arts undergraduate view of the world.

    Working for a newspaper the market of which is business people and finance, he has never seen anything worth commenting on when American politicians espouse a radically different political philosophy (which, as has invariably resulted in great rafts of corpses floating on seas of misery), or the bowel evacuation of support for last year’s political heroes (Macron, Merkel, and that Canadian thing with the phallus-printed socks), the confused infighting within the parties of the left here and in the US where they can’t decide if old-school socialism or new-school socialism is the path to power.

    None of this.

    But instead he goes for the lamest abuse of Trump he can find, with that white hood in the back pocket.

    He is implying Trump is a Democrat.

  120. Tel

    Because logic has no place in our current universe, people are stapling slices of bread to trees and bragging about it online.

    We are a sad, lost people in search of a purpose.

    Everyone has the freedom to search in his or her own way … and that is as fair as it gets.

  121. 132andBush

    It’s a toss up as to who’s the biggest bigot.

    Rowe or his greatest fan.

  122. feelthebern

    Thanks Bruce.
    You know I had visions of Bruce Willis & Armageddon.

  123. Mother Lode

    We have people brought up to believe their every passing thought is special, but when they meet people who think differently they find they are unable to convince them.

    By this reckoning logic must seem a very poor flawed tool.

    So they are stuck with having to say that everyone is special and they all have their own truth.

    At bottom though, they know that isn’t true.

    They are special.

  124. feelthebern

    I watched the four corners on water last week or the week before.
    Juvenile level reporting.
    Apart from Insiders the day after the federal election, I haven’t watched the ABC for years.

  125. feelthebern

    Bugger, I’m reading this morning that Nic Nat chap is injured again.
    If I know he’s playing, I’ll tune in.
    For a league grub like me, that tells you the excitement factor he brings to AFL.

  126. stackja

    WES HOSKING, EXCLUSIVE, Herald Sun
    Subscriber only

    July 15, 2019 8:00pm

    People are being urged to dob in racists in the suburbs amid concern bigots are getting away with their actions.

    Victoria’s discrimination watchdog fears racist behaviour — especially towards people of African background and Muzzs — is going unreported.

    It will on Tuesday unveil a new initiative which uses local councils to help victims report attacks.

    Victorian Equal Opportunity and Human Rights Commissioner Kristen Hilton told the Herald Sun Victorians were subjected to racism and discrimination daily but many didn’t know what to do about it.

    A few comments:

    Paul
    30 minutes ago
    I see bigotry all the time.

    It often comes in the form of lefties not accepting conservative views, to the point of shouting down and harassing and insulting those who hold them.

    Is that reportable?

    Russell
    1 hour ago
    What next….hidden cameras and microphones inside the family home?

  127. Percy Popinjay

    I haven’t watched the ALPBC for years

    I enjoyed watching various imbeciles ingesting humble pie on the ALPBC last election night.

  128. cohenite

    Tom

    #3108407, posted on July 16, 2019 at 5:05 am

    Ben Garrison.

    Great cartoon; thanks Tom.

  129. Mother Lode

    What next….hidden cameras and microphones inside the family home?

    I think Gillian Triggs raised the alarm on the fact that all over the country there are people speaking without supervision and possibly discussing topics in ways other than the HRC would have them.

    Unnerving, isn’t it?

  130. Shy Ted

    I doubt that the aborigines had done any serious traveling at night. No need for it for one and also dangerous with snakes and ground hazards.
    Hey Mark A, when I lived in the desert, and the Top End for that matter, I came to the conclusion that in Summer it’s too hot to do anything in the day whereas at night the place comes alive and animals (food) appear from nowhere and have to be hunted. There’s also little water to drink so you just don’t walk around in the sun unless you’re a mad dog or Englishman (I’m one of those). And when I’d worked all this out a delightful Aboriginal lady who had been born a native and lived her first few years in tradition told me, “stupid white man, it’s too puck ing hot in the day.” Even in the darker phases of the moon there’s still plenty of light from the universe to enable you to see clearly. And if it slithers or scurries it stands out like the proverbial dog’ you know whats.
    Of course I need to consult with Bruce Pascoe to be corrected and find that the natives were asleep in their houses after a hard day inventing democracy and charting the stars.

  131. Shy Ted

    Thanks for the comment last evening, None, but I didn’t do any internet searches nor carry any electronic devices for or to the motorbike shop. The only thing I can think of is almost a decade ago I bought a Harley there in a EOFY sale, so about this time of year.
    Ah well, off to do battle with my.gov.au again. I may be a while.

  132. Shy Ted

    The ABC is worse under Ita.

  133. stackja

    Lane, William (1861–1917)
    by Gavin Souter
    This article was published in Australian Dictionary of Biography, Volume 9, (MUP), 1983

    The promised land, 463,000 acres (187,000 ha) unsettled and free of charge, was found in Paraguay. Under Lane’s leadership a first batch of 220 colonists, including Lane’s wife, their four children and John Lane and his wife, sailed from Sydney on 16 July 1893 aboard the Royal Tar, bound via Cape Horn and Montevideo to Asuncion.

  134. vr

    Peter Theil’s talk on globalization, automation etc.

    China has been stealing our intellectual property and conducting cyber-warfare, and China is an unusually dirty country dirtying up the planet. Trump’s 25% tariffs on China should be reframed as a carbon tax.

  135. egg_

    Entropy
    #3108294, posted on July 15, 2019 at 10:19 pm
    I despise Adam Sandler movies and the people who enjoy them.

    Except the wedding singer.

    What’s your favourite movie – Jonathan Livingston Seagull?

  136. Robert Mc

    I’ve never been in a communist shit-hole before … the shitty infrastructure. Far worse than Sri Lanka

    That has not much to do with communism. It is almost exclusively the result of the economic deprivations forced on Cuba by the USA over the almost 60 years since the Bay of Pigs debacle.

  137. egg_

    Trump’s 25% tariffs on China should be reframed as a carbon tax.

    Touché

    Leftoids’ iPhone X Carbon Edition?

  138. The unauthorized speech at catallaxy has already been reported.

    Please keep the open thread on authorized topics and express only authorized opinions.

    Permitted topics for today:

    1. DJT is nasty
    2. Nicnat for governer-general
    3. Hate speech against the goat botherers requires further legislation.

  139. Old School Conservative

    Rather than coming home with an “Armageddon outa here”, Dr BG is Havana such a good time he queues for an eternity to get his visa extended.

    Off to practice that one on the grandkids.

  140. Lilliana

    “I found a surprising amount of pride and identity in something as simple as stapling sliced bread to a worthy tree,” Reddit user TheSouthPawScrub tells Fox News. “It felt good being a part of something bigger than myself, which was part of the allure to joining in the fun.”

    I don’t think the writer understands the definition of “pride” and what exactly is “a worthy tree”?

    I thought this generation loved trees – being carbon sinks and all – why damage them? I sounds like vandalism to me. If this is what people do to find fulfilment then I despair for the world.

    What about planting trees, helping at an animal shelter, helping someone less able in your community, picking up garbage, teaching people to read and write, there is no end to ways you can be part of something bigger than yourself – you just need to put down the device and get off social media.

  141. Mother Lode

    3. Hate speech against the goat botherers requires further legislation.

    It is worth noting that while requiring legislation there is no need for transgressions to be heard before the courts: Because there can be no excuse. You are guilty.

  142. Leigh Lowe

    OSC, stealing jokes is OK.
    Just don’t butcher them.

    … Havana such a good time

  143. The Barking Toad

    Evidently the driver didn’t see the similarity between the fat screamy bloke and the statue.

    Hahaha – good one Knuckles.

    The big Monk should have belted him in that game as well as putting shit on him.

  144. egg_

    I despise Adam Sandler movies

    His franchise did make a few too many formula movies in a short space of time, but some are classics, as you’ve noted.
    His latest is excellent, with an International cast, for Netflix.

  145. Eyrie

    ” Stick to trading equities, you clearly haven’t ever engineered anything.”

    JC “Sure. What have you engineered that was something new?”

    A fair bit actually over the last 45 years. I could point you to a certain 20 minute Youtube video but you probably wouldn’t understand what you are seeing and that isn’t a derogatory comment, it is a subtle thing but a true advance in the state of the art. I’m also not about to overtly reveal who I am, here.
    I have another project nearing completion also.
    Your comment about something new also reveals your ignorance of engineering. There is very little that is truly “new” and engineers really try to avoid incorporating anything that isn’t current “state of the art” or older. Sometimes of course that is necessary. There is the idea of something, then the engineering to make it a reality. See Wright Brothers, Konstantin Tsiolkovsky (he figured out the theoretical engineering basis for spaceflight around the same time the Wrights were trying to build a flying machine) etc.
    What Musk has done with SpaceX is truly amazing. The company was only formed in 2002 and has achieved far more than NASA has in the same time for about one tenth of the cost.
    To build an orbital tower requires materials that are currently not available although we are getting within spitting distance and actual molecular bonds are strong enough so it isn’t impossible.
    It is the economics that shoots down the orbital tower. To get there you need a large space based economy to make it pay. This might eventually happen but you are going to need large economical rockets to get to that point and the same rockets to go out and capture the asteroid that you need as a counterbalance. SpaceX’s Starship/Super Heavy is the first of those ships.
    An orbital tower is actually a long skinny satellite whose center of mass in in geostationary orbit and it rotates while the Earth turns, keeping the Earth end at one point on the planet. Modifications of this idea are possible. Counter intuitively the stresses in an orbital tower are in tension, not compression as in a tall building on Earth.
    Having said all that I have to say I think Elon Musk is a loon and a loose cannon. He has obviously swallowed the AGW kool-aid and is wasting some of his time on electric cars, solar panels, batteries etc. Fortunately the loose cannon is also firmly pointed at Mars.

  146. dover_beach

    Ellie:

    This dichotomy came out at the Cat during the gay marriage survey, when alleged conservatives pronounced that only certain varieties of human interaction are “good”.

    No matter what you think about the state involving itself in marriage, the Cat wozer’s edicts were written in the ink of arrogance.

    I can’t let this comment go unremarked. What is this dichotomy? And what is unjustified and arrogant about claiming that certain varieties of human interaction are ‘good’ while others less so? If you’re going to correct ‘alleged conservatives’ you should leave no area of ambiguity lest the lesson is misunderstood.

  147. dover_beach

    “I found a surprising amount of pride and identity in something as simple as stapling sliced bread to a worthy tree,” Reddit user TheSouthPawScrub tells Fox News. “It felt good being a part of something bigger than myself, which was part of the allure to joining in the fun.”

    Parting note of a deracinated culture.

  148. Gab

    Parting note of a deracinated culture.

    At least they’ve moved on from inhaling/imbibing in Tide Pods.

  149. Knuckle Dragger

    Following on from last night’s commentary on MyGov, I have successfully been driven to berserker mode by this monstrosity.

    Here is my email address. Code sent to address. Use code to get to next screen.

    Here is my mobile number. Code sent to phone. Use code to get to next screen.

    Here are five separate secret questions. Answer secret questions to go to next screen.

    Here is my tax file number. Yes I am sure this is my tax file number. Go to next screen.

    My bank account details, notice of previous assessment, super fund account number or previous PAYG summary number? Oh ok, bank details then.

    Enter bank details. Apparently they’re not my details.

    I know what my details are. Enter details. Computer says I don’t know what my details are. Computer is a lying sack of shit.

    Enter correct details for the third time. Locked out.

    Close window. Research homemade plastique on interweb*.

    *NADT, you ATO homos.

  150. hzhousewife

    I tend to overlook spelling errors in printed journalism these days, but now the grammar is getting very confusing. Here is a sentence from the AFR this morning. Admittedly, it is a quote from an entrepreneur.
    “I went all in, houses, all my savings,and I even loaned money from some shareholders to help partly fund the final IPO round.”
    He had a great vision and went broke.

  151. thefrollickingmole

    I despise Adam Sandler movies and the people who enjoy them.

    Bits of his movies are ok, but generally its not good enough to watch all the way through.

    For instance.
    Little Nicky sucked b a l l s at the end, but had one of my favorite scenes in it.

  152. Memoryvault

    I thought this generation loved trees – being carbon sinks and all –
    why damage them?

    Good morning Lilliana,

    I know this is going to sound counter intuitive, but apparently most trees love having a couple of galvanised steel nails banged into their trunks.

    Just make sure you don’t put them in where somebody may have to saw at a later date.

  153. C.L.

    One rule for George Pell, another rule for VicPol favourites … Cases identical:

    Police investigating historic sexual assault allegations against AFL legend Gary Ablett Snr will not press for criminal charges due to a lack of evidence.

    In a statement from the Central Gippsland Sexual Offences and Child Abuse Investigation Team, they revealed the investigation into a 57-year-old Grovedale man in relation to historic sexual assault allegations had finished.

    “There was not enough evidence to support criminal prosecution,” the statement said.

    “Victoria Police will not be proceeding with the matter.”

    The Geelong Cats champion was questioned in March this year, almost two years after officers first investigated an alleged incident in the 1970s.

    The Herald Sun first reported in November 2017 that Ablett’s accuser told police about an alleged assault while the pair were in a car outside a property in regional Victoria.

    Ablett Snr, nicknamed “God” for his on-the-field achievements, was inducted into the AFL Hall of Fame in 2005. He is a three time Coleman Medal winner and Norm Smith medallist.

    9News.

  154. If only the cardinal was a better footballer.

  155. C.L.

    The reason VicPol was so confident to push ahead with the Pell case was that the ABC (with which it colluded) had ensured the jury pool would convict the Cardinal, evidence or no.

  156. JC

    Eyrie

    Other than being an oppositional doofus with pretensions of superiority I don’t understand what you actually disagree with.

    1. I suggested that rocketry will experience economies of scale with private investors beginning to play in that space and you agreed.

    2. I suggested that Musk isn’t someone you would wholly trust and you agreed.

    3. I suggested that the elevator is likely to be the thing that moves the space industry forward in leaps but it will take decades (50 to 100 years) and you more or less agreed.

    Perhaps you should explain clearly this time what it is you disagree with while leaving the oppositional fuckwittery aside.

    I have one point of disagreement with you though. I’m far more pessimistic about re-usables.

    By the way, your suggestion that the elevator would be subject to OH&S like it would be governed by the ACTU all over the world is really stoopid.

  157. dover_beach

    “There was not enough evidence to support criminal prosecution,” the statement said.

    It would be instructive to see a single journalist ask VicPol what was the substantive difference between the Pell case and the Ablett Snr case. So far as I can see, there was a complainant making an allegation and no corroborative evidence in both cases. Actually, there is a difference, difference investigation teams. Oh, there is also the difference of the latter’s previous criminal convictions.

  158. thefrollickingmole

    By the way, your suggestion that the elevator would be subject to OH&S like it would be governed by the ACTU all over the world is really stoopid.

    Im not so sure on that.
    If its a Western nation or private company it will be subject to a lot of lawfare from mobs like the UN/greenpeace etc.

    Neo-mathusans hate the iea of a whole solar system for humans to exploit, sets back the “rations for proles” arguments by decades.

  159. Muddy

    Stiglich for the simplicity of the message – brilliant. Garrison for visual appeal!
    Thanks Tom.

  160. Shy Ted

    The other day I found a beautiful but dead fish on the beach. Various things happened. The university have identified it as an “ornate cow” and want it. Which got me to thinking, is it only embittered, divorced, male scientists who lavished things upon their one and only, who get to name these creatures?

  161. JC

    Mole

    My hunch would be that an India, China or even a country like Brazil would build the first one. That was point.

  162. John Constantine

    Their yarragrad Nazgul kleptocracy announces they want mandatory anaesthesia for lamb mulesing.

    Their vff supports this saying it is the only way that activists will allow the social licence to operate.

    After this comes mandatory anaesthesia for rubber ring tail docking.

    Eventually mandatory veganism.

    Comrades.

  163. notafan

    I had a quick look on line last night and was reminded that libertarian ‘philosophy’ on sex is anything goes as long as consenting adults.

    Talk about arrogant ignorance.

    Calling it a philosophy is a stretch I know.

    Seems to be taking a sledgehammer to the foundations of western civilization and pretending you won’t/haven’t destroyed it.

    That is why we are now being told to joyfully embrace Ken doll polyamory.

    I will never ever be a social libertarian.

    May as well join the Communist party and be done with it.

  164. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Their vff supports this saying it is the only way that activists will allow the social licence to operate.

    When are these fools going to realize that the ultimate aim of the activists is a ban on raising sheep?

  165. Roger

    According to the Tweittersphere England’s contested win the world cup is a case for Remain as their star players were all immigrants.

    Apparently the EU invented migration.

  166. notafan

    Notice that the box on the side says ‘Ablett cleared’

    which is not quite the same as “There was not enough evidence to support criminal prosecution”

    I am going to assume that the accuser never mentioned the allegation to anyone in the intervening 40 odd years,

    How old would have Ablett been btw 18?

  167. Knuckle Dragger

    Pell v Ablett.

    Pell, being the most senior Mick they could find was the predetermined target selected by pollies to demonstrate that they had ‘done something’ after the publicity generated by the RC. Despite substantial evidence that on balance, the kiddies were safer there than in quite a few public schools and other facilities.

    The complaint against Pell was solicited and even then manipulated, despite it being physically impossible, uncorroborated and unsubstantiated by any other witness.

    The investigative ‘team’ for Pell was a taskforce. These are formed for various reasons, and with Purana being the partial exception they are formed from people various divisional bosses can afford to be without.

    Pell’s matter was politically driven, evidenced by the OPP returning the brief three times to have it ‘amended’, ie further fabricated before it even got to a court. Any other case would have been stamped ‘to never see the light of day’.

    By Pell’s standard Paul Dale would still have been put in the dock for the Hodson murders, even though Carl Williams had been beaten to death with a bicycle seat.

    The Ablett job was a historical complaint against a footballer with no witnesses or forensics to corroborate it. The investigation was handled by competent people unhindered by pollies or the court of public opinion.

  168. Bruce of Newcastle

    If its a Western nation or private company it will be subject to a lot of lawfare from mobs like the UN/greenpeace etc.

    Neo-mathusans hate the iea of a whole solar system for humans to exploit, sets back the “rations for proles” arguments by decades.

    Yes.

    Protests spark over construction of telescope in Hawaii (via Drudge)

    MAUNA KEA, Hawaii (AP) — Singing, chanting and laying on the ground in the road, hundreds of people demonstrated on Monday against the construction of a giant telescope on a mountaintop that some Native Hawaiians consider sacred.

    The protests were the latest salvo in a yearslong fight that pits scientific discovery against cultural preservation.

    Scientists hope the massive telescope planned for the site, a world-renowned location for astronomy, will help them peer back to the time just after the Big Bang and answer fundamental questions about the universe. But some Native Hawaiians consider the land holy, as a realm of gods and a place of worship.

    The telescope’s primary mirror would measure 98 feet (30 meters) in diameter. It would be three times as wide as the world’s largest existing visible-light telescope, with nine times more area.

    How about we charge them reparations for offing Captain Cook? One slightly used volcano would be about right.

  169. Mother Lode

    He had a great vision and went broke.

    I suspect reading contracts might have been a little tasking. Especially when it turned out that his being a debtor did not mean someone owed him a debt.

    And the axiom ‘Credit where credit is due’ is ambiguous in double entry book keeping.

  170. “dover_beach
    #3108524, posted on July 16, 2019 at 9:27 am
    Ellie:

    This dichotomy came out at the Cat during the gay marriage survey, when alleged conservatives pronounced that only certain varieties of human interaction are “good”.

    No matter what you think about the state involving itself in marriage, the Cat wozer’s edicts were written in the ink of arrogance.

    I can’t let this comment go unremarked. What is this dichotomy? And what is unjustified and arrogant about claiming that certain varieties of human interaction are ‘good’ while others less so? If you’re going to correct ‘alleged conservatives’ you should leave no area of ambiguity lest the lesson is misunderstood.”

    Thanks Dover…I must admit I too was rather taken aback by this comment from Ellie. As for “when alleged conservatives pronounced that only certain varieties of human interaction are “good”….well one thing is very clear and that is that not all human interaction is “good” and I think that it is absurd to think otherwise. I would also hope that it isn’t just conservatives who think this…..but it seems to be a growing reality that it is only conservatives and other assorted people on the right of politics who are willing to draw the line on varieties of human interaction. Anyway I am sure that there are many peter files and predators who would justify their actions by saying that their evil interactions with minors are “good”. As far as I am concerned…and I don’t care if people think this is arrogant….is that there are only certain varieties of human behaviours and interactions which are “good”.

  171. notafan

    Took vicpol from before Nov 2017 when the story first hit the newstands.

    Victoria Police detectives reportedly interviewed his alleged victim, now aged in their 50s, on at least two separate occasions this year.

    Interviewed twice in 2017 and only now the matter has been dropped.

  172. None

    JC: Re Perkiegate. Rest easy my child. We were informed by eyewitness that the perk was not in danger.

  173. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Police investigating historic sexual assault allegations against AFL legend Gary Ablett Snr will not press for criminal charges due to a lack of evidence.

    These are the same Vic Pol who declared nothing to see here about Bill Shorten’s accuser for the vary serious crime of [email protected]

  174. notafan

    Yes Cassie

    Social conservatives at the Cat have been consistent on the good for all the time I have been here, and have a heritage of like minded people doing the same for thousands of years.

  175. notafan

    South Gippsland did the investigation so not the same

    Actually I am sauce for the goose sauce for the gander here in circumstances when the alleged victim did not tell anyone within a reasonable time and there is no other evidence to support the claim.

  176. stackja

    BON – According to Pearl Harbor movie Tora, US Army could not put a radar on a National Park peak.

  177. Roger

    This dichotomy came out at the Cat during the gay marriage survey, when alleged conservatives pronounced that only certain varieties of human interaction are “good”.

    Please explain?

  178. Anthony

    What did George ever do to VicPol?

  179. Roger

    What did George ever do to VicPol?

    It’s not just VicPol; Pell stood up against the New Establishment and their agendas.

  180. Memoryvault

    Dover, Casssie, Nota, None,

    Folks, I’ve spoken of this before in relation to other people, but it looks like I have to do it again.
    How about we limit the pile-ons to when the person being rubbished is at least present to defend themselves?

  181. notafan

    It’s not just VicPol; Pell stood up against the New Establishment and their agendas.

    Including dispensing with the cabal running the Melbourne seminary, and refusing communion to rainbow sashers

    sorry I forgot all human interaction is ‘good’

  182. dover_beach

    How about we limit the pile-ons to when the person being rubbished is at least present to defend themselves?

    No one is piling-on Ellie, MV. All I did was request an elaboration re yesterday’s comment which is completely fair, as have others.

  183. cohenite

    Knuckle Dragger

    #3108566, posted on July 16, 2019 at 10:41 am

    Pell v Ablett.

    What about tits?

  184. Eyrie

    Our military has to clear use of laser designators with OH&S.
    A space elevator is going to have the mother of all environmental impact statements. The first question is going to be “What happens if the thing breaks short of the geostationary point?”
    Answer : “It will come crashing down wrapping itself around a good part of the planet – maybe nearly all the way around depending on where it breaks – the damage is likely to be immense.”
    Still think this has ANY likelihood of EVER happening?
    Besides, once reusable spaceships are flying regularly, eventually they will be as unremarkable as jet airliners. Once the beyond Earth economy gets going the only things required from Earth will be certain hi-tech items (microchips, pharmaceuticals etc) and people. We have a world wide economy now that uses jet airliners for this quite successfully. While a space elevator can get you anywhere in the solar system it will be launching reusable spaceships anyway so the ships are a necessary and “not going away” part of the whole thing even with space elevators.

  185. thefrollickingmole

    More newspaper money gone…
    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/jul/16/former-fairfax-newspapers-lose-chris-gayle-defamation-appeal

    The Sydney Morning Herald and Age newspapers have lost an appeal against a defamation payment of $300,000 to international cricketer Chris Gayle, who was wrongly accused of exposing himself to a female massage therapist in 2015.

    The court of appeal unanimously dismissed the appeal from the former Fairfax media group as well as a cross-appeal from Gayle who wanted to increase the amount of damages.

    The newspapers alleged the Jamaican cricketer indecently exposed himself to a team masseur in the dressing room of a suburban oval in Sydney during the 2015 World Cup.

    But a jury believed Gayle, who said the masseur had fabricated the allegation.

  186. thefrollickingmole

    Spamminator objects to some hidden nugget in the news story.

    More newspaper money gone…
    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/jul/16/former-fairfax-newspapers-lose-chris-gayle-defamation-appeal

  187. Memoryvault

    No one is piling-on Ellie, MV.

    Whatever you say, Dover.
    Putting aside the minor fact that Elle was not present when you made your “request”, Cassie at 10.46 had no qualms about interpreting it as an attack when she pasted it in full and then continued with “Thanks Dover”. Again, in Elle’s absence.

    Nota also seemed to have no trouble four minutes later when she joined the pile on, starting her post with “Thanks Cassie”, referring to her verbatim repeat of your original comment. Still no Elle.

    Then a minute after that None jumped on the wagon with “Precisely Dover”. And still no Elle.


    Now, you can call it what you like. But where I come from if it looks like a duck and waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s probably a duck.

  188. Steve trickler

    He’s not backing down.

    Escalation.



  189. JC

    Eyrie

    You think china , india , Russia or Brazil will require and impact statement? Don’t make me laugh. The elevator would be very helpful sending big packages into space. Think of what you can move on a jetliner vs a ship in terms of weight and volume.

    It’s not either or.

  190. Sinclair Davidson

    Actually I do think people are piling on Ellie.

    Everybody understands perfectly well what she saying about conservatives’ judgemental and morally superior attitudes.

  191. None

    Cassie of Sydney

    #3108465, posted on July 16, 2019 at 7:48 am

    +100000009

    Skanks like Tracy Spicer do indeed trivialise sexual assault and that demented skank certainly needs to be held accountable, sued, jailed even

    In some ways I’m really glad that I was on Twitter right in the early days when it was still an evolving medium and people were a lot less guarded. In the early days I challenged Tracey Spicer on something once publicly and she sent me a direct message saying do you know who I am and threatening defamation. It was one of the first DM’s I ever got so I thought that astonishing that I be threatened because I challenged her view of reality. Naturally I had fun with that.

    I was still on Twitter years later when she decided she was going to save the world from evil men.
    She announced that she had bought a notebook I kid you not. She bought a notebook. This is why Latham’s Dick Tracy taunt is just so funny. We had a lot of fun with that too. The truth is she’s f****** demented. A lot of us and thank god Latham especially could see the danger of what she was trying to do which is why we also mocked her relentlessly. Unfortunately there are too many stupid or rather than mentally unstable people who are open to her manipulation or believe her crap. She’s now responsible for a lot of damage and for defaming innocent man. It took a jury 15 minutes just 15 minutes to throw out the accusations against him. 15 minutes after a disgusting trial that should have never seen the light of day because some nutr was egged on by Spicer. I doubt John Jarrett ever wants to see the inside of a court again but man he should f****** sue that skank.
    I would donate to a legal fund if you chose to do so.

  192. dover_beach

    MV, I responded on the new OT.

  193. Memoryvault

    Steve Trickler,

    Just in case you missed my comment earlier Steve (7.49 am), thanks once again for the explanation re the diesel engine. They sure put a hell of lot of work into the project, didn’t they.

  194. “I would donate to a legal fund if you chose to do so.”

    As would I None….you should watch that 60 Minutes programme…it is online.

    Jarratt now has a trashed career and hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees…meanwhile Skank Tracey is taking an “eight week social media sabbatical”.

    THERE IS NO SABBATICAL FOR JARRATT

  195. C.L.

    Rush, Jarrett, Gayle …
    Tracey Spicer wonders why news execs got rid of her (apart from the fact that she was physically ageing very badly).

  196. Eyrie

    JC, nobody will be sending really big packages into space. There is no need. All the resources needed for really big packages are available in space – on the Moon, Mars, the asteroids. Particularly the asteroids. The immense packages, far larger than the space elevator is capable of carrying, can be built where required.
    Even ships on Earth have limits to what can be shipped in one piece. Eventually when your project gets large enough you build it in situ from mostly local or not far away raw materials.
    Reusable spaceships have another advantage – flexibility. Airliners can travel between any city pairs. All you need is a runway at each end. High speed trains only between the cities located on them. California high speed rail anyone?

  197. thefrollickingmole

    Just how mant times can the Dems get wrong footed by Trump before they finally admit maybe he isnt just “dumb” and lucky..again.

    Trump is not playing 3-D chess here. He was probably just watching Tucker Carlson on DVR, and being plunged on tape delay into the same rage that Carlson had stoked in real time in the angry old men who watch him live.
    Plan or no plan, though, Trump hit the Democratic Party at its point of vulnerability. He is driving it toward ever more radical outcomes: against the enforcement of immigration laws and for the acceptance of virtually all border crossers; against the bread-and-butter issues that will mobilize the voters the Democrats need and for the symbolic actions that will gratify the educated urban progressives who live in the safest Democratic districts in the country.

    If you are being wrong footed over and over by someone you regard as stupid, you might want to reassess your estimation of your own intelligence at some stage.

  198. Tom

    St Kilda AFL coach Alan Richardson has been sacked. Caretaker coach is former Carlton coach, now Saints assistant, Brett Ratten, who’d be a brilliant permanent replacement. Ratts’ sacking by the Blues in 2012 marked the descent of the Carlton board into an era of clownish incompetence.

  199. Geriatric Mayfly

    He’s not backing down.

    Your accompanying pic ST shows Omar applying Sunblock +50.

  200. Memory vault;

    You want to experience real pain? Try recovering from open heart surgery where they saw you in half, then stitch your chest back together with the medical equivalent of piano wire.

    Then you sneeze.

    Yep – three days after the transplant, I got the Manflu.
    The transplant was fine – the sneezing from the Manflu nearly killed me.
    🙂

  201. ZK2A:

    Should have had private health care then, shouldn’t you?

    Why would that have made any difference?

  202. max

    Trump says ‘they hate our country.’ This is better than using ‘treason’ or ‘traitor’ but it means the same. It’s harder to pin down, more general and therefore much harder to defend. Smart.

  203. max

    Tom,have you caught up with the knife fights at SEN ? Grant Thomas in the Herald today. KB given the pink slip.

  204. Robber Baron

    Ablett v Pell

    The word of God v The word of a servant of God.

  205. RobK:

    It’s everywhere around us but cement is not a material we tend to give much thought to. The powdery substance is a key ingredient in concrete, which has been called “the most destructive material on Earth”.

    I understand there’s a form of concrete that absorbs CO2 as it cures. Is that correct?

  206. Eyrie:

    A fair bit actually over the last 45 years. I could point you to a certain 20 minute Youtube video but you probably wouldn’t understand what you are seeing and that isn’t a derogatory comment, it is a subtle thing but a true advance in the state of the art. I’m also not about to overtly reveal who I am, here.

    Do you have a favourite video about engineering stuff you’d like to post?
    Disclaimer: I love what engineers can do and the stuff they make. Would have liked to been one, but ’twas not to be. My favourite SF book is Ringworld – the concept of a suspension bridge with no endpoints is breathtaking.
    I watch stuff like this regularly. The differences imposed on the manufacturing process by the cost of inputs is interesting.

  207. Geriatric Mayfly

    A team member at Bunning’s sat unwittingly for my PC aptitude test today. Stacked high were trussed bundles of cow shit, printed on which, one could read from the moon, were the words: ‘Who Flung Dung.’ I enquired if this might not be culturally insensitive.
    A sour, non-plussed guttural response meaning ‘Huh?’. End of story.

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