The battle for Western civilisation is now out in the open

We in the West live in the freest, most open and productive societies that have ever existed. But it has enemies and has always had enemies. The insanity of the moment is that these enemies now consist of most of the mainstream media, large parts of the academic world, plus all parties of the left everywhere. And on the other side there is Donald Trump and some, but hardly all, members of his own party and hardly everyone who might self-identify with the right. The focus of the debate is over four members of the Democratic Party who are dragging the entire party into revealing their own true selves much against the wishes of its leadership who hate the fact that their true beliefs are being brought into the open. It is everywhere on the news and across the blogs.

This is from Ace of Spades Morning Report but there is no end of it. PDT may not win the next election – but then again he might – but there will be no doubt what the issues are.

Donald Trump’s mere presence in the White House and more crucially his willingness to defend himself, his policies and by extension defend all real Americans and this nation loudly, proudly with Queens accent and all, is what got us here. And thank G-d for it! It needs to be emphasized here that the President did not instigate this. He was reacting to the lies being perpetrated by Chiquita Khruschev and her cohorts about “concentration camps” and other phony “crimes against humanity” allegedly perpetrated by ICE, DHS, CBP et al on the illegal alien invaders who are the real criminals here for trying to jump our borders and abuse our amnesty laws. At the same time, these four have been able to turn almost their entire party into a veritable Greek chorus of anti-American, anti-Semitic, racialism and historical revisionism that heretofore went unanswered and allowed to fester.

This is the battle we had to have.

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101 Responses to The battle for Western civilisation is now out in the open

  1. Empire 5:5

    We in the West live in the freest, most open and productive societies that have ever existed. But it has enemies and has always had enemies. The insanity of the moment is that these enemies now consist of most of the mainstream media, large parts of the academic world, plus all parties of the left everywhere.

    Not your best work Steve. I thought by now you would have grasped that democracy is an illusion. Up is down, left is right, socialism is compassionate, free enterprise is exploitation, Trump is Na zi and other miscellaneous newspeak. The ‘zone takes care of its own.

    The controlled narrative is collapsing. What comes next is closer to what you imagine we have and certainly superior to what is.

  2. Tom

    With its rogue ruling class out of control, the only thing standing between America and chaos is democracy. Those in the Democratic Party who can see what’s coming no longer have a voice.
    A.F. Branco.

  3. rickw

    With its rogue ruling class out of control, the only thing standing between America and chaos is democracy.

    It’s ultimately the 2nd Amendment, not democracy.

  4. struth

    All is not lost.

    All we need to do, is get them back in the kitchen.

  5. Up The Workers!

    The Democrats of today are descendants of the pockets of vermin left alive after the American Civil War, which concluded in 1865 less than a week before they murdered Abraham Lincoln.

    The job of “mopping up” the slavers and racists wasn’t done thoroughly enough back then.

    These people are anti-American, anti-Canadian, anti-Australian, anti-British, anti-black, anti-Christian and anti-Jewish racists and their lies, propaganda and hatred needs to be addressed.

    Trump has started draining his swamp, as he said he would.

    We need to drain ours.

  6. Iampeter

    We in the West live in the freest, most open and productive societies that have ever existed. But it has enemies and has always had enemies.

    Yep and these enemies include Trump and his supporters, who represent the most clueless faction of the left wing.
    Trump is a nationalist and a statist. He is a central planner and collectivist. As such, he is a complete leftist. Just like the religious and traditionalist collectivists of the conservative movement.

    Yes, there is a battle for Western Civilization.
    No, neither Trump, nor his clueless supporters, are on the right side of this battle.

    You don’t know what the West is about, nor would you support any of it’s values even if you did.

  7. Gavin R Putland

    Let’s be clear. Three of the four congresswomen whom Trump attacked were born in the USA. Ergo Trump branded the USA as one of those “countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all)”.

  8. John Constantine

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/07/belknap-impeachment-trump-cabinet/594010/

    Can’t Impeach Trump? Go After His Cabinet.

    Kill a few to terrify all, basic Stalinism.

    Standard Australian leftism is to target individuals and their families for destruction, to silence those that even consider free speech.

    Solidarity, Comrades.

  9. Bruce of Newcastle

    Omar has an approval of 9% and AOC is on 22%.

    Trump is an excellent reader of the silent majority – who are becoming increasingly silent, fearful of losing their jobs due to the jackbooted PC thuggocracy.

    To show just how crazy the polls are, this is from last week:

    Megan Rapinoe Would Beat Trump in 2020 Presidential Match-Up, Poll Says

    Ms Rapinoe has been in the news lately, and not in a good way. For her to rate higher that Trump, who has given America remarkable prosperity, the righty voters would have to have avoided pollsters like plague. Polls are meaningless in this time of universal deceit.

  10. Notafan

    No he didn’t.

    Normal people know exactly what Trump is talking about and how certain people despite being American citizens born in America identify solely as a member of their ethnic background and or their religious beliefs.

    There are numerous egregious examples of such people, including tens of thousands in Australia who have zero loyalty to the country that feeds, clothes and houses them, too often for free.

  11. Dinky

    Yes, of course, that’s what Trump meant Gavin (I need a rolling eyes emoji).

  12. Old School Conservative

    Add to that list of enemies of the West the name of Cameron Stewart, The Australian’s Washington Correspondent.
    After all of “The Squad’s” attacks on America, Stewart calls them moderates and more of a PR campaign­ than a genuine political movement.

  13. bollux

    You will never feel apart of a country that you didn’t help to build, even if you are born there. Hence the hatred of the Left for themselves and their environment.

  14. Dr Fred Lenin

    It seems to ne the communist fascist globalists have stuffed up as usual letting these feral ignoramuses run wild to damage the country so the epsteiner elites can take over . The elitist smartasses outsmarting them selves . These ferals make giliard. pelosi,etc look like moderates Perhaps thats the plan ? I doubt they will ever be re elected p,surely once bitten applies here ?

  15. Bad Samaritan

    Gavin (7.29am) you are either a Z-Grade intellect or else a Z-grade troll…or maybe both.

    Feel free to link to any Trump tweet or utterance where he referred to the four having to go back to another country.

    Since the Prez only mentioned one of them being a Somali, you must be hearing things yet again to somehow have heard him telling the others they were from somewhere not in the US.

    Get help, as UR not OK.

  16. Mother Lode

    I don’t think the Democrat establishment is panicked that their real agenda is being exposed, only their real method. And it is being exposed by being presented in a so exaggerated form that manifests its own problems – the incompatibilities of the victim groups, the clear disjunct between justice and social justice, its destructiveness with respect to American institutions etc.

    The establishment Democrats real agenda is personal power. They go through the theatrics of idealism but it is just that. Just like a mime poses with their body in such a way that you would swear they were trapped behind a sheet of glass, or leaning against a wall, or making a sandwich, so too Democrat politicians affect the outward mannerisms of idealism without actually possessing any.

    The soaring speeches, the strained looks of compassion, the rending open of their shirts and baring their chests imploring their audience to judge for themselves the mettle of which they are made. All histrionics.

    If The Squad doesn’t shut up all the stock the establishment has in these absurd and overwrought operatics will be devalued to nothing.

  17. dover_beach

    Normal people know exactly what Trump is talking about and how certain people despite being American citizens born in America identify solely as a member of their ethnic background and or their religious beliefs.

    Indeed. What could obscure this simple fact? Sargon has a good vid on this here and here.

  18. dover_beach

    The amazing thing about the ‘Squad’s’ speeches, apart from including a refusal to be ‘silenced’ at a televised press conference from the US Capitol building, was that the Democrats believe that they can break Trump with an intersectional frontline of four women of colour. Just amazing.

  19. Indolent

    Trump is a nationalist and a statist. He is a central planner and collectivist.

    I guess one out of four is not too bad. One truth and three lies is just about the standard these days.

  20. Roger

    Omar has an approval of 9%

    What’s her approval rating in Somalia?

  21. Lilliana

    Notafan
    #3109283, posted on July 17, 2019 at 7:55 am
    No he didn’t.
    Normal people know exactly what Trump is talking about and how certain people despite being American citizens born in America identify solely as a member of their ethnic background and or their religious beliefs.
    There are numerous egregious examples of such people, including tens of thousands in Australia who have zero loyalty to the country that feeds, clothes and houses them, too often for free.

    Comment of the day.

    I think this sums up much of what is wrong with western nations.

  22. Ros

    Attorney General Bill Barr condemned the politics of fighting “under the banner of identity politics” in an address Monday to at the Department of Justice’s Summit on Combatting Anti-Semitism. July 15
    “My concern today is that under the banner of identity politics, some political factions are seeking to obtain power by dividing Americans. They undermine the values that draw us together, such as shared commitment to our country’s success. This is the breeding ground for hatred, and we must reject it.”

    Got it Attorney General.

    And today we are told that the Corporate world will have Identity built into our Constitution and polity, and damn the opinions of the PM and the voters of Australia. And why, as Barr says, here too it is about divide and Rule, and not out the many one, rather from the one many, American Greatness, Hanson. So much easier to manipulate, govern.

  23. Roger

    And today we are told that the Corporate world will have Identity built into our Constitution and polity, and damn the opinions of the PM and the voters of Australia.

    I thought the “Voice Treaty Truth” posters in the local Woolworths in NAIDOC week might have been the work of a rogue manager, but evidently they represent company policy.

    I must write to the Board and ask for their policy on how to achieve peace in the Middle East.

  24. Iampeter

    I guess one out of four is not too bad. One truth and three lies is just about the standard these days.

    Those aren’t four separate things.
    A nationalist is a statist, is a central planner, is a collectivist.
    And collectivists are on the left wing side of politics and are enemies of Western Civilization.

    These are basics and stuck at the entry-level in political discourse, is the actual standard these days.

    This is also why Trump and his supporters represent the clueless arm of the left wing.

  25. mh

    Steve Daines
    @SteveDaines
    ·
    Jul 16
    Montanans are sick and tired of listening to anti-American, anti-Semite, radical Democrats trash our country and our ideals. This is America. We’re the greatest country in the world.

    I stand with @realdonaldtrump. 🇺🇸

  26. Gavin R Putland

    So Trump wasn’t making an issue of where those four congresswomen were born. He was making an issue of their ethnicities. Oh, well, that’s all right then. Nothing racist about that. Now, who else’s ethnicity shall we make an issue of. Um… er… oh, shit.
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-aide-conway-asks-jewish-reporter-whats-your-ethnicity/

  27. dover_beach

    Western civilization. That would be the civilization that Kenneth Clark magisterially treats in his series Civilization. The civilization that was created by the Church, and preserved through the ebb and flow of barbarian migration, and which in time reaches its fullest development in the thirteenth, and, again, in the fifteenth, century, in the Christian nation-states of Europe. And yet we are counseled by our local historical illiterate, IamMengele, to believe that caring for our patrimony is inimical to Western civilization. Dear oh dear.

  28. Gavin R Putland

    Oops, got moderating for linking to a story about Conway’s… um… indiscretion.

  29. FelixKruell

    If we are relying on Trump to defend the west and freedom, then god help us all!

    The focus of the debate is over four members of the Democratic Party who are dragging the entire party into revealing their own true selves much against the wishes of its leadership who hate the fact that their true beliefs are being brought into the open.

    If that was truly the focus, then great. Their ideas should be challenged. But that isn’t what Trump is doing. He’s attacking them personally (and their heritage). Not their ideas or policies.

  30. Roger

    He’s attacking them personally (and their heritage). Not their ideas or policies.

    The Democrats have finally come up against a Republican who plays like them.

    And they’re not happy!

  31. dover_beach

    He’s attacking them personally (and their heritage). Not their ideas or policies.

    Not at all, but it can look like that when you intertwine your identity with your ideas and policies.

  32. And on the other side there is Donald Trump and some, but hardly all, members of his own party and hardly everyone who might self-identify with the right.

    Yes, and he is very much alone in this battle.

    A nationalist is a statist, is a central planner, is a collectivist.
    And collectivists are on the left wing side of politics and are enemies of Western Civilization.

    These are basics and stuck at the entry-level in political discourse, is the actual standard these days.

    And he has a very tough row to hoe with such snipping at his heels.

  33. mh

    Ted Cruz: House should respond to AOC’s ‘radical’ squad by passing anti-Semitism resolution

    “These freshmen, unfortunately, also have a long and troubling history with anti-Semitism, engaging over and over again, not just once, but multiple times in making anti-Semitic insults, sending anti-Semitic tweets,” Cruz said, calling out the failure of the House to pass a resolution condemning anti-Semitism, contrasting it with the unanimous support it received in the Senate.

    “You want to know what the House should do in the wake of all this nonsense the last couple of days, they ought to take up and pass the resolution the Senate just passed 100 to nothing.”

    When asked why the House was unable to get enough votes to pass the resolution in the first place, Cruz explained that it boiled down to fear.

    “The conference is terrified of those freshmen. They are terrified of the radical activists behind those freshmen. So basically, committee chairs, the Speaker has handed her gavel over to the freshmen and every one of them are terrified these freshmen will criticize them,” he said.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ted-cruz-aoc-squad-house-should-pass-anti-semitism-resolution

  34. mh

    Moderate Dem slams ‘squad’ for threatening to primary him: ‘They’re not Democrats … they’re socialists’

    Rep. Henry Cuellar, D-Texas, responded to the threat of a primary from the four female progressive House members known as “the squad” on Tuesday and accused them of being socialists in disguise.

    “I mean it’s this group called the Justice Democrats. I think they’re not Democrats quite honestly,” he said on “Your World with Neil Cavuto.”

    “They’re socialists and they want to impose their vision to Texas and we certainly know that in Texas our vision is very different from … what I call these Justice Democrats, which are really socialists. They’re not really Democrats.”

    Cuellar was referring to the four House members who took on President Trump in a Monday press conference, after engaging in a Twitter spat with the commander-in-chief. They are Reps. Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., Rashida Tlaib D-Mich., Ayanna Pressley, D-Mass., and Ilhan Omar, D-Minn.

    Cuellar said he isn’t the only Democrat to fall into the squad’s crosshairs and claimed some members are being targeted for their support of Israel. He also predicted most Americans wouldn’t side with the squad because their values don’t line up with most Americans.

    “I do know that they are going after different folks, for example, they’re going after Juan Vargas… and the reason they’re going after him is because he has a very strong pro-Israel voting record,” he said.

    “And that’s just you know, just amazing that they’re targeting him. They’re going after Jim Costa also. They’re going after Lacy Clay. They’re going after other folks. But again, their vision is not the vision of most Americans.”

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/henry-cuellar-ocasio-cortez-democrats-squad-socialists

  35. max

    “ Man without God seeks to expand his power exponentially, whereas, man under God seeks to place his entire being under the law of God. Statist power will increase and develop to the degree that the state and its peoples are not Christian. The non-Christian who wants to limit the power of the state will seek then to increase his own. Humanistic libertarianism is an exceptionally good critic of state power, especially in the economic realm, but it then warps its own position too commonly by replacing the power of the state with the power of the individual to be lawless sexually; homosexual freedom has become basic to all too many libertarians. The Marquis de Sade pursued the logic of libertarianism, or anarchism, relentlessly. Total freedom for the individual means total power to do anything; every man as his own god means every man as his own law and judge. Karl Marx understood that this anarchism undermined socialism and communism, which presupposes a common order, and hence his bitter attack on Max Stirner for his radical anarchism. Without God and His law man and the state will expand their powers ceaselessly. Total statism and total anarchy are the outcomes.”

    Dr. Rushdoony demonstrates that the classical usage of the term libertarianism is to be rejected because it views man as “god” and promotes “lawlessness.” In this same context he also states: “Thus, libertarian economics, which holds strictly to totally private property, leaves property as rootless as does socialistic economics: it divorces it from the past and the future. Property then becomes existential: its meaning is limited to the meaning the existentialist individual gives to it, and no more. Socialism, and also existentialism, ties property to the existence of the state.”
    The point is that libertarianism, in and of itself, which operates with the philosophical ideology that man is to be self-determining with absolute power and authority over his own life and choices (rights) is to be rejected by Christians as being just as horrific as an ungodly statism. Why? It is because both notions are antithetical to biblical law and fails to understand God’s absolute right of ownership and therefore to rule over His creation. Libertarianism in and of its self is not Christian! However, in the right context of a theocracy, that is, where God’s law is properly instituted in our society, there are libertarian concepts that are comparative in principle and if modified by the Word of God, do closely align with the Scripture.

    https://americanvision.org/5681/libertarianism-vs-theocracy-is-libertarianism-a-christian-political-philosophy/

  36. FelixKruell

    Dover:

    “So interesting to see ‘Progressive’ Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly … and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run,” he tweeted Sunday morning…”Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how … it is done,” the president wrote.

    How exactly is that not attacking them and their heritage, as opposed to their ideas?

  37. FelixKruell

    Roger:

    The Democrats have finally come up against a Republican who plays like them.

    Yep, so now we have both parties attacking each other personally, rather than debating ideas. How wonderful.

  38. Kneel

    A nationalist is a statist, is a central planner, is a collectivist.

    Nation = state, no issue there.
    The rest is your usual drivel, and as usual, you mischaracterise the intent and the actions by the use of your jaundiced view of the “job” of government – oddly, but predictably, you fail to see what is right in front of you.
    For example, holding out on a trade agreement to get better terms for your side is certainly nationalist, but it’s hardly “central planning” – unless of course you feel that all laws that don’t relate to “rights” are part of “central plannning”.

    One thing that PDT does that no other president in recent times has done – THEIR JOB of putting US interests before the interests of others. The only Oz polly who comes close is, incredibly, Mark Latham.

  39. Jo Smyth

    OSC, Cameron Stewart is obviously anti Trump but it’s refreshing to see that every article he writes is immediately lambasted by all the comments from readers. Today’s is no exception. The Australian newspaper must obviously know his views aren’t those of its readers.

  40. Linden

    Yes it is, was about to put something similar thanks

  41. Iampeter

    The Democrats have finally come up against a Republican who plays like them.

    And they’re not happy!

    Of course they’re not happy. Republicans have stolen their shtick and are more left wing then they are.
    The question is, why is no one unhappy about this at Australia’s “Leading Right Wing Blog?”

  42. Iampeter

    Max, you keep posting these absurd walls of text from equally confused, cargo cultists, but don’t seem to have given this any independent thought.
    Firstly, if Western Civilization was Christian, it would be mystical and collectivist. So just like every other culture. This is obviously wrong and clearly requires you to check your assumptions.

    Secondly, leftism is collectivism. Collectivism is the submission of an individual to a higher authority, instead of being a value in and of itself. Whether that authority is supernatural or not, doesn’t change the fact that you are embracing collectivism by submitting. In this way Christianity, like all religions, is left wing.

    Thirdly, I don’t support Libertarianism, nor is Libertarianism an alternative to theocracy.

    Finally, you seem to have zero grasp of political theory leading to you seriously writing things like:

    Statist power will increase and develop to the degree that the state and its peoples are not Christian.

    Statist power and Christianity have never been opposed, nor can one even accidentally assume such a thing, which leaves either total ignorance of the subject, or just dishonesty.

    But bottom line is, stop regurgitating obvious nonsense unthinkingly.

  43. JC

    Peter

    Perhaps, for once in your miserable unhappy life, you could enlighten us about your political philosophy.
    A first!

  44. Tim Neilson

    Firstly, if Western Civilization was Christian, it would be mystical and collectivist.

    This is utter drivel.

    Iamashiteater clearly knows zero about either Christianity or Western civilisation.

    He thinks that Ayn Rand’s bizarre subcretinous misrepresentations of Christianity have some sort of validity. Wrong.

  45. Tim Neilson

    Statist power and Christianity have never been opposed

    This is correct! We all know that when Jesus was nailed to the cross he was in cahoots with his best mates the Roman imperial government and the Yui!sh religious establishment!

    You KNOW it makes sense!!!!

  46. egg_

    Hasn’t Teh Green Nude Eel been a gift to Republicans?

  47. Iampeter

    Perhaps, for once in your miserable unhappy life, you could enlighten us about your political philosophy.
    A first!

    Yea…because that would be a first.
    Also, you doing OK buddy? Quite a lot of projection in that sentence of yours.

    Firstly, if Western Civilization was Christian, it would be mystical and collectivist.

    This is utter drivel.

    Are you saying Christianity isn’t mystical and collectivist?

    The only utter drivel here is your posts. Well, not only your posts.

  48. egg_

    All we need to do, is get them back in the kitchen.

    Aren’t the Leftoids eating each other at the moment?

  49. max

    Kneel
    #3109504, posted on July 17, 2019 at 1:03 pm
    Nation = state, no issue there.

    “By the time the United States ratified the Constitution in 1788, there were only about twenty nation-states in the world. However, that was soon to change as the nineteenth century approached with a series of independence movements against colonial powers like Spain and France that spurred the creation of new states. The nineteenth century also saw the rise in nationalism, sometimes referred to as the “gravedigger of empires.”[3] This demolishing of empires continued into the twentieth century as more ethnic groups embraced national solidarity, and claimed the right of determining their political destiny. The years following World War I saw a large number of new nation-states and a corresponding decline in world empires such as the Ottoman and Austro-Hungarian empires. However, even after World War II, only about half of the modern states were in place. New anti-colonial movements led to the creation of more states after World War II. During 1944-1984, there were about ninety new states created. Coupled with the collapse of the Soviet Union and the emergence of a series of republics, the world had about 190 nation-states by the turn of the millennium.”

  50. max

    “submission of an individual to a higher authority”

    individual is always in submission to higher authority

  51. Jo Smyth

    FelixK. Well, you have been selective haven’t you. Ever since Donald Trump was elected, Stewart has written in the Australian several times a week and I have probably read the majority of his articles. I could probably count on one hand the number of articles that have in any way been complimentary or indeed true. Now and again he tries to write a balanced article, with a few little innuendos thrown in, just so people like you can claim how balanced he is by quoting the one or two out of hundreds that are downright anti Trump.

  52. Iampeter

    The civilization that was created by the Church, and preserved through the ebb and flow of barbarian migration, and which in time reaches its fullest development in the thirteenth, and, again, in the fifteenth, century, in the Christian nation-states of Europe.

    HAHAHAHAHA yes! The “fullest development” of Western Civilization was the peak of Christian caused Dark Ages and the plague years.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA XD

    Like I said in my first post, you morons simply know NOTHING about Western Civilization and wouldn’t support it even if you did.

    Nor do you know anything about politics, or history, or philosophy, or have any basic thinking skills…

    Please don’t let me interrupt the brilliance and insight!

  53. Tim Neilson

    Are you saying Christianity isn’t mystical and collectivist?

    Mysticism is certainly integral to Christianity. How exactly would you expect that “mysticism” to be reflected in a civilisation based on Christianity? In its art and literature? Tick, for western civilisation. (Not every piece of art and literature of course – but a vast number of them.) In its science and technology? Of course not. In its legal system? Only someone profoundly ignorant of the history of our legal system would deny it.
    In summary, western civilisation reflects Christian mysticism as much as one would expect any civilisation to reflect the mystical elements of the religion on which it is largely based.

    Collectivist? Wrong. Christianity is concerned above all else with the individual. You’ll scan the New Testament in vain for any information on how to structure an economy or a political system, or instruction to get involved with agitating for any particular political or social outcome. It’s all about each individual’s personality and consciousness.

  54. max

    Liberty is defined by the dictionary as “The state of being exempt from the domination of others or from restricting
    circumstances.” But this definition, like all others, presents problems. After all, who is free from the domination of others, and free from restricting circumstances? We all have some domination to face: a husband, even a wife, parents, employers, superior officers, tax collectors, the various forms of government, and so on. And, supremely, we are all under the dominion and domination of God. And who is ever exempt from restricting circumstances? After all, your income is a restriction on your liberty: you can spend so much and no more. Having a family is a restricting circumstance: it definitively limits your liberty. The necessity of working is also a restriction on our liberty, as is every other circumstance in our life. Thus, according to this definition , only God is absolutely free, because only God is “exempt from the domination of others and from restricting circumstances.” If we look to other dictionary definitions, we are not much better off. Another reads that liberty is “The power of voluntary choice; freedom from necessity.” But who is ever free from necessity in this life? The point, I think, is clear: no such thing as absolute or unlimited liberty is possible or good.

    More than that, unlimited liberty for man is destructive of liberty itself. Can we give any man the unlimited liberty to do as he pleases? Can a man rob whenever he sees fit, kill at will, lie as he wishes, and generally be a law unto himself? If we permitted this, soon no one would have any liberty. The result would be only anarchy. Man’s total liberty is always anarchy, and anarchy is the death of both law and liberty. Unless every man’s liberty is limited by law, no liberty is possible for any man. The criminal law and the civil law impose mutual limitations on all of us in order to provide the maximum liberty for all of us.

    As a result, we must be aware of those who talk about defending liberty when they actually want to promote anarchy.

  55. max

    One of the basic premises of the American system, and a basic article of Christian faith, is that man’s liberty is under law.

  56. max

    From the beatniks and hippies to the student left and civil disobedience agitators, this belief in liberty as freedom from law runs deep. To prove that they are free, these immature and perverse minds insist on breaking some laws to demonstrate that they are free men. But moral anarchy is always the prelude to statist tyranny, and this vaunted freedom from law ends always in a freedom from liberty!

  57. max

    Liberty, then, is under law and it requires careful and conscientious legislation to maintain the social structure in that state of law which best promotes liberty. Limited liberty is the only kind of liberty possible to man. To dream of more is to endanger liberty itself.

  58. max

    The Rev. John Cotton, Puritan divine, wrote in the earliest days of New England, “It is necessary that all power on earth be limited.” This premise became basic to all colonial government and to the United States. The restoration of true liberty requires the restoration of true law. It is a dangerous and totally false idea that freedom means an escape from law; this can be true only if the escape is from some such system as communism, and communism is not true law but tyranny.

  59. Ivan Denisovich

    HAHAHAHAHA yes! The “fullest development” of Western Civilization was the peak of Christian caused Dark Ages and the plague years.

    Debunked:

    CWR: How did the mythology of the “Dark Ages” develop? What are some of the main problems with that mythology?

    Dr. Stark: Voltaire and his associates made up the fiction of the Dark Ages so that they could claim to have burst forth with the Enlightenment. As every competent historian (and even the encyclopedias) now acknowledges, there were no Dark Ages. To the contrary, it was during these centuries that Europe took the great cultural and technological leap forward that put it so far ahead of the rest of the world.

    CWR: What relationship is there between the mythology of the “Dark Ages” and the myth of “secular Enlightenment”? How rational and scientific, in fact, was the Enlightenment?

    Dr. Stark: The “philosophes” of the so-called “Enlightenment played no role in the rise of science—the great scientific progress of the time was achieved by highly religious men, many of them Catholic clergy.

    https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2016/05/07/why-is-this-non-catholic-scholar-debunking-centuries-of-anti-catholic-history/

    Dover is correct, you are wrong. As usual.

  60. Bruce of Newcastle

    Al Green has pulled the trigger.

    Rep. Al Green Files Articles of Impeachment Against President Trump

    The articles seem to be basically “orange man bad, wah!” No wrongdoing mentioned. Which is about right since the Lefty Inquisition has been through everything Trumpish and found nada.

    Never has one side of politics gone so hysterical for so little cause. We live in interesting times.

  61. max

    The “Little Things” of Life

    Gary North – May 16, 2016
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    Western civilization is the historical product of Christianity. Without Christianity, the development of the West would have been radically different. Of course, secular humanism and various intermediary philosophies have contributed greatly to the growth and shape of Western institutions since about 1660, but without the impact of Christian thought and culture, the foundations of Western secular humanism would not have been laid. It is impossible to think of Western culture without considering the historical impact of Christianity.
    Most Protestants understand this fact. Yet at the same time, they have a tendency to denigrate the cultural accomplishments of the Roman Catholic Church in the medieval era. It is as if Protestants think that Western culture sprang up overnight in response to Luther’s nailing of the 95 theses on the wall. But when we consider the savagery that faced the Irish missionaries in the sixth and seventh centuries, we all should become aware of the vast impact pre-Reformation Christianity had on Europe. In fact, without that impact, there would never have been a Europe. There would have been nothing more than pagan, fragmented tribes of primitive savages, with only an occasional raid from the Norsemen to bring “advanced” pagan culture into their lives.
    https://www.garynorth.com/public/15193.cfm

  62. Iampeter

    In summary, western civilisation reflects Christian mysticism as much as one would expect any civilisation to reflect the mystical elements of the religion on which it is largely based.

    In summary, you’re going to evade the glaring contradictions in everything you’ve just said, ignore everything I’ve said and conclude that your preconceived notions don’t need to be challenged at all. Phew! That’s convenient!

    As a result, we must be aware of those who talk about defending liberty when they actually want to promote anarchy.

    “Liberty,” is properly defined as a society with a rights-protecting government. Nothing else.
    This can only be arrived at via a rational understanding of political theory, which in turn can only be arrived at by a rational understanding of ethics, which in turn can only be arrived at via a rational understanding of the more fundamental philosophical questions.

    It cannot be arrived at by religion or any other form of irrationality.

    Anarchy is just another form of collectivism and belongs on the left wing side of politics along with Christianity and every other form of collectivism.

    All you’ve done is posed yet another false dichotomy, because you refuse to question any of your assumptions and resolve all of the contradictions in them.

  63. Iampeter

    Debunked:

    CWR: How did the mythology of the “Dark Ages” develop? What are some of the main problems with that mythology?

    Yea, yea. Have you heard that people think the Holocaust and the Moon Landing were “myths” too?
    I can link to websites that say so, so it must be true!

    Get outta here with that crap.

  64. max

    The Lure of Rationalism

    Rationalism is a mind-set that reduces men’s decision-making to logic. But decision-making is based on more than reason. “The king’s heart is in the hand of the Lord, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will” (Prov. 21 :1). God directs men’s actions through their hearts — through love, fear, and other emotions. Anyone who would argue that most people today get married because of considerations of logic would not be taken seriously by logical people, yet the essence of salvation is God’s love for His people as a man loves his wife. in earlier times, arranged marriages were based on the logic of capital – bride prices and dowries – not the logic of textbooks.

    https://www.garynorth.com/public/15614.cfm

  65. Tim Neilson

    In summary, you’re going to evade the glaring contradictions in everything you’ve just said, ignore everything I’ve said and conclude that your preconceived notions don’t need to be challenged at all.

    I did ask you a question:
    “How exactly would you expect that “mysticism” to be reflected in a civilisation based on Christianity?”

    You failed to answer it of course.

    Then you project “evade” onto me.

  66. John A

    max #3109489, posted on July 17, 2019, at 12:45 pm

    The whole post +1000

  67. Tim Neilson

    PS Iamashiteater,
    What “contradictions”?

  68. Ivan Denisovich

    Yea, yea. Have you heard that people think the Holocaust and the Moon Landing were “myths” too?
    I can link to websites that say so, so it must be true!

    Get outta here with that crap.

    LOL. Dover nailed it when he described you as “our local historical illiterate”.

  69. A Lurker

    People, scroll past the troll and thread derailer.

  70. Tel

    “Liberty,” is properly defined as a society with a rights-protecting government.

    A national government?

    Supported by nationalists, of course.

  71. dover_beach

    HAHAHAHAHA yes! The “fullest development” of Western Civilization was the peak of Christian caused Dark Ages and the plague years.

    See, I wasn’t joking when I called IamMengele our local historical illiterate. He completely missed my allusion to James J. Walsh’s magisterial, The Thirteenth: Greatest of Centuries, and he gets the Black Death wrong by one century. He can’t help it. He has never picked up a scholarly book of any worth in his entire life.

  72. anonandon

    I think I was right don’t you? He is a Punish. Just a complete bullshit artist masquerading as an intellectual.

  73. Behind Enemy Lines

    anonandon
    #3109664, posted on July 17, 2019 at 5:25 pm
    I think I was right don’t you? He is a Punish. Just a complete bullshit artist masquerading as an intellectual.

    Yes, I do think you were right. Pulling back the curtain to reveal IamPunish was the funniest thing I’ve seen today.

  74. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Christians caused the black plague now.

    FMD, Pasteur, Le Maitre and Mendel are all spinning in their graves.

    “Liberty,” is properly defined as a society with a rights-protecting government

    No, you’re functionally illiterate and a solipsist. You have just described a society with a rights-protecting government.

  75. Jannie

    Just a complete bullshit artist masquerading as an intellectual.

    Intellectual? He needs a better script writer for that description. No, a bullshit artist masquerading as an artist.

  76. PB

    And still the real enemy remains hidden in plain sight, whining away as usual.

  77. FelixKruell

    Jo:

    Well, you have been selective haven’t you

    I picked three articles from the last few weeks. So not all that selective…

  78. BoN:

    Al Green has pulled the trigger.
    Rep. Al Green Files Articles of Impeachment Against President Trump
    The articles seem to be basically “orange man bad, wah!” No wrongdoing mentioned. Which is about right since the Lefty Inquisition has been through everything Trumpish and found nada.
    Never has one side of politics gone so hysterical for so little cause. We live in interesting times.

    Am I right in thinking that the Senate decides what “High Crimes and Demeanors” Trump has putatively committed?
    And don’t the Democrats have a majority in the Senate?
    Green has just disengaged the safety on the trigger for the Second Civil War.

  79. Jo Smyth

    Felix, Three articles from the last few weeks. Maybe, just maybe, Stewart is getting a bit of sense and is beginning to realise that he has been wrong for the 3 years and it’s time to start supporting the President who is making America great again. It’s never too late to learn. 😁

  80. Crossie

    Trump is an excellent reader of the silent majority – who are becoming increasingly silent, fearful of losing their jobs due to the jackbooted PC thuggocracy.

    Bruce of Newcastle, population that is increasingly silent and fearful is concerning. Trump is just one man even if he is a president who will very likely get a second term. What then?

    Here in Australia we don’t have anyone of his stature, ScoMo is not it.

    The only thing that gives me hope is that polls are now way off and will remain that way because normal people refuse to cooperate. This unreliability will hopefully force politicians to campaign better and not take any voters for granted.

  81. cohenite

    4 hour blackout around the Morrissett area of Lake Macquarie. All greenies should be thrown naked into the Simpson desert.

  82. Iampeter

    Rationalism is a mind-set that reduces men’s decision-making to logic.

    This website is definitely a testament to people who are way above merely thinking with logic.

  83. Iampeter

    Also, max, calling for emotionalism over logic is just another left wing approach to thinking.
    Just another link between your half baked ideas and leftism that you’ve failed to notice.

    Yea, yea. Have you heard that people think the Holocaust and the Moon Landing were “myths” too?
    I can link to websites that say so, so it must be true!

    Get outta here with that crap.

    LOL. Dover nailed it when he described you as “our local historical illiterate”.

    By sarcastically mocking conspiracy theories? You’re for real aren’t you? Well, this is the cat after all…

    A national government?

    Supported by nationalists, of course.

    No, nationalists want a government that does things other than protect rights.
    They’ll regulate things like trade, immigration, etc, in the name of the nation state, not the individual.

    See, politics isn’t about not knowing anything about politics and then trying to find some middle ground between the false alternative of government and no government.

    Politics is about understanding political theory and then being able to put forward what the proper function of government should be and why, as opposed to improperly functioning government.

    Christians caused the black plague now.

    That’s not what I said, but this is the cat, so…

    No, you’re functionally illiterate and a solipsist. You have just described a society with a rights-protecting government.

    What? Holy shit you are a moron…

    See, I wasn’t joking when I called IamMengele our local historical illiterate. He completely missed my allusion to James J. Walsh’s magisterial, The Thirteenth: Greatest of Centuries, and he gets the Black Death wrong by one century.

    No, I didn’t. And no, I didn’t.
    But you’ve given the game away. When a death cultist is pining for the Dark Ages as an ideal time to go back to, they kinda expose their true agenda. My only question is, why wait? You can just move to Syria today and be with your kind.

    Anyway, just another memorable cat threat!
    Full of exceptional and big brained individuals that don’t let things like logic get in the way of their “thinking.”

  84. dover_beach

    No, I didn’t. And no, I didn’t.

    You’re not fooling anyone, IamMengele. You wear your historical ignorance on your sleeve.

  85. Ivan Denisovich

    By sarcastically mocking conspiracy theories? You’re for real aren’t you? Well, this is the cat after all…

    Yes, that’s all you were doing, nothing more. LOL. Unless, of course, you actually do regard the research and findings of Rodney Stark (among others) on this topic as amounting to nothing more than a conspiracy theory. If that is so, on what grounds?

  86. Iampeter

    Yes, that’s all you were doing, nothing more.

    Yep. I can’t imagine what kind of a moron you would have to be to assume otherwise, but here we are.
    Like I said, it’s the Cat.

    Unless, of course, you actually do regard the research and findings of Rodney Stark (among others) on this topic as amounting to nothing more than a conspiracy theory. If that is so, on what grounds?

    Oh yea, let me just get to that. Right after I get to providing “what grounds” I dismiss other random, conspiracy nonsense on.

    You really don’t get how sarcasm works do you?

    The cat really is a website for hands down the stupidest leftists on the internet.

  87. John of Mel

    Well, currently you are the one promoting a conspiracy theory – “The Dark Ages”.

  88. Ivan Denisovich

    Oh yea, let me just get to that. Right after I get to providing “what grounds” I dismiss other random, conspiracy nonsense on.

    Translation: “I got nothin’.”

    You’re not fooling anyone, Peter.

  89. dover_beach

    Oh yea, let me just get to that. Right after I get to providing “what grounds” I dismiss other random, conspiracy nonsense on.

    IamMengele admits he has no reasons for dismissing anything.

  90. Iampeter

    Well, currently you are the one promoting a conspiracy theory – “The Dark Ages”.

    That’s right!

    Just like the holocaust and the moon landing it never happened!
    We’ve already covered this.

    At the cat, death cultists and statists, think they are champions of Western Civilizations. They also believe the world is flat, which is their proof! Of something…it’s not clear what they are trying to prove…

  91. dover_beach

    Poor IamMengele, he tries hard but…

  92. Jannie

    Dover, there is only one way to deal with it/him, trolls are like seagulls, do not feed, because they are unhygienic.

  93. Jannie

    So the Democrats in Congress HoR passed a motion using the word Racist to describe Trump, but they are not technically permitted to speak the word by parliamentary rules of decorum. But the motion to impeach failed. What next for the four congresswomen of the apocalypse clownworld.

  94. Iampeter

    That’s right Jannie.
    Dismissing people as merely trolls, because you don’t want to deal with what they’re saying, because you don’t know anything about the topic, is the hallmark of a true intellectual.

    Actual trolls, derailing threads for the same reason, are not a problem, right?

    What an honest person you are, totally not just another clueless leftist, posting on a right wing blog for some reason.

  95. max

    Rationalism is a mind-set that reduces men’s decision-making to logic.

    But decision-making is based on more than reason.
    God directs men’s actions through their hearts — through love, fear, and other emotions.

    Example in America, since sexual revolution, man and women thing not with head above waist but below waist:

    According to the 1938 Encyclopaedia of the Social Sciences, that year 11 percent of black children and 3 percent of white children were born to unwed mothers.

    Today about 75 percent of black children and 30 percent white children are born to unwed mothers.

    Children from fatherless homes are likelier to drop out of high school, die by suicide, have behavioral disorders, join gangs, commit crimes and end up in prison. They are also likelier to live in poverty-stricken households.

    How are you going to change mind of the person that is no good for him to accept “free” government money?

    How are you going to change mind of the manufacturer that tariffs are no good for society?

    How are you going to change mind of the bankers that central banking and fiat money is not good for society?

    I can tell you It can not be done with a Logic —Aristotle was wrong and Ayn Rand as well.

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