What is the biggest holocaust? Green fascism reborn!

A provocative comment came up on a post of Judith Curry’s podcast about the non-alarming status of climate chance. Not a clear and present danger.

Climate propaganda has reached stages far beyond the well known propaganda of Nazi Germany, trying to censure and destroy people’s lives and careers, is something Herr Doctor Paul Joseph Goebbels, Reich Minister of Propaganda of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945, would greatly envy and value highly.

That drew a spirited response from a person who lived in Germany for most of his life.

Goebbels was above all, together with Adolf Hitler and Heinrich Himmler, one of the top three persons responsible for the elimination of
– over 6 million European Jewish people
– probably 1 million Germans who publicly expressed their rejection of the Nazi regime (communists, socialists, social democrats, Christians, Muslims, etc.)
– half a million Sinti, Roma and other ‘colored’ minorities
– hundreds of thousands of physically and / or mentally handicapped people.

Climate propagandists aren’t very intelligent people, but they didn’t kill anybody.
Please stop such insane comparisons.

Yes I am not aware of climate propagandists who have killed anybody deliberately although there appears to be a body of Deep Green thought that regards some billions of people as surplus to requirements or the carrying capacity of the planet.

Leaving the outright loonies aside, just consider the unintended consequences of actions, the things that happen some distance away in time and space, like the dead fish downstream from a point of serious pollution. There are two sides to this argument, one is the lives lost due to carbon mitigation policies. The other is the lives that could be saved if some of the resources wasted in futile CO2 reduction programs were applied (sensibly) to the suffering millions in the developing world. Yes I know about Lord Peter Bauer and the harm done by government to government aid in the Third World.

Lives lost, the biofuel story. As much as 5% of the worldwide grain harvest is taken out of the human food chain to produce ethanol to add to petrol. That has a knock-on effect through the food chain with the most significant impact in the poorest parts of the developing world where tens of millions of people are on the edge of starvation. A small difference in the price of food is a matter of life and death for them and in some years there are estimates that up to 200 thousand people may die in a bad year as a result of the biofuel program.

That figure is contested and it is likely to be on the high side. Still it was circulated by Mike Hulme who is an international leader in the alarmist movement so he cant be accused of making it up to embarrass his colleagues.

The UN’s special rapporteur on the right to food condemned the growing of biofuels as ‘a crime against humanity’ because they diverted arable land to the production of crops which are then burned for fuel instead of sold for food…Rather than contributing to the theoretical food security of hundreds of millions of the world’s poor in 50 years time, it has reduced the actual food security of tens of millions of the world’s poor today.

Lives not being saved indoor air pollution. Nearly three billion people in the developing world cook and keep warm by burning wood and animal dung. This is classified as renewable energy biomass and it makes up by far the majority of all kinds of renewable energy generated around the world. Biomass burned indoors generates toxic fumes causing lung diseases that kill up to 4 million according to the WHO.
These lives can be saved if the people have electric power to eliminate indoor pollution and drive the infrastructure required to deliver clean drinking water and public health programs, plus agricultural productivity and economic development. In most developing nations electric power could come from local resources of coal and gas but the international lending agencies were pressured by the Obama administration and the European Union to direct funding to renewable energy projects.

The notorious Indian village experiment demonstrated the lunacy of that idea. In 2014 Greenpeace activists set up a solar-powered microgrid for the Indian village of Dharni. A great celebration was planned for the benefit of Government Minsters who were invited. Of course the system could not handle the load when people tried to use appliances beyond the level of electric lights and mobile phone chargers. On the great opening day the visiting dignitaries were met by villagers with banners stating “we want real electricity, not fake electricity”.

Looking at the numbers you can make a case that, on the scale of lost lives, if not on the scale of evil, the “war on CO2” would appear to rate higher than the crimes of the Nazis.

The WHO on Household Air Pollution and Health.

Key facts
Around 3 billion people cook using polluting open fires or simple stoves fuelled by kerosene, biomass (wood, animal dung and crop waste) and coal.
Each year, close to 4 million people die prematurely from illness attributable to household air pollution from inefficient cooking practices using polluting stoves paired with solid fuels and kerosene.
Household air pollution causes noncommunicable diseases including stroke, ischaemic heart disease, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) and lung cancer.
Close to half of deaths due to pneumonia among children under 5 years of age are caused by particulate matter (soot) inhaled from household air pollution.

The Green New Fascist Deal By Mark Musser From max in the comments.

Even as early as 1935, Nazi Germany was the greenest regime on the planet. Their ecological projects worked hand in hand with their wild Social Darwinian biological programs connected to eugenics and scientific racial hygiene. Cleaning up the blood also included cleaning up the environment. Indeed, Nazi biologist Ernst Lehman defined fascism accordingly, “We recognize that separating humanity from nature, from the whole of life, leads to humankind’s own destruction and to the death of nations. Only through a re-integration of humanity into the whole of nature can our people be made stronger. That is the fundamental point of the biological tasks of our age. Humankind alone is no longer the focus of thought, but rather life as a whole… This striving toward connectedness with the totality of life, with nature itself, a nature into which we are born, this is the deepest meaning and the true essence of National Socialist thought.”

Out of such a Nazi holistic nature-based worldview came a number of environmental laws that preceded their more overt racial laws. In 1933, the Nazis passed a strict animal rights law. In 1934 they passed a hunting law. Along similar lines, the Nazis also introduced sustainable forestry practices, and essentially became the very originators of what is today called sustainable development that included a great concern for recycling. Even the Four-Year Nazi war plan was to be guided by sustainable development concerns. In 1935, the Nazis passed the totalitarian Reich Nature Protection Act which opened the door to ecological regulation over private property.

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56 Responses to What is the biggest holocaust? Green fascism reborn!

  1. stackja

    Governments following ‘Green’ policies will continue to shorten lives.
    Australia voted not have lives Shorten by the ALP.

  2. Percy Popinjay

    On the great opening day the visiting dignitaries were met by village people with banners stating “we want real electrickery, not fake electrickery”

  3. DaveR

    Leaving the outright loonies aside,……..

    Why? They are a very real and active part of the green corpus.

  4. It’s a quite a joke when climate catastrophians say they have killed anyone. They think they haven’t but indirectly they have killed many. Your examples are just those in the third world they killed.

    There are also those in the first world, such as the elderly who can no longer afford warmth and die in cold winters. Add to that those in the third world where instead of diesel water pumps and the like, the people are offered pedal powered pumps to save the planet. What about all the wildlife that their policies have eliminated? The list goes on.

    What’s so terrible about these deaths is that the climate catastrophians can wash their hands and say they aren’t responsible. They are fully responsible and they are worse people than the Nazis because they kill millions through ignorance rather than wilful hate. You can easily fight the latter, but not so easily the former.

  5. RobK

    The CO2 conjecture ruse is a political instrument which is pervasive throughout society. It sucks people in using fear and enticements of subsidies promising a better life. It thrives on guilt.
    It most probably will take longer to recover from the ruse than the duration of WW2, other than that the comparison is not very useful. I have little doubt that things will get worse before the get better.

  6. max

    The Green New Fascist Deal By Mark Musser

    Even as early as 1935, Nazi Germany was the greenest regime on the planet. Their ecological projects worked hand in hand with their wild Social Darwinian biological programs connected to eugenics and scientific racial hygiene. Cleaning up the blood also included cleaning up the environment. Indeed, Nazi biologist Ernst Lehman defined fascism accordingly, “We recognize that separating humanity from nature, from the whole of life, leads to humankind’s own destruction and to the death of nations. Only through a re-integration of humanity into the whole of nature can our people be made stronger. That is the fundamental point of the biological tasks of our age. Humankind alone is no longer the focus of thought, but rather life as a whole… This striving toward connectedness with the totality of life, with nature itself, a nature into which we are born, this is the deepest meaning and the true essence of National Socialist thought.”

    Out of such a Nazi holistic nature-based worldview came a number of environmental laws that preceded their more overt racial laws. In 1933, the Nazis passed a strict animal rights law. In 1934 they passed a hunting law. Along similar lines, the Nazis also introduced sustainable forestry practices, and essentially became the very originators of what is today called sustainable development that included a great concern for recycling. Even the Four-Year Nazi war plan was to be guided by sustainable development concerns. In 1935, the Nazis passed the totalitarian Reich Nature Protection Act which opened the door to ecological regulation over private property.

  7. Suburban Boy

    On behalf of the ghost of SS-Gruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich, convenor and chairman of the Wannsee Conference, I object to the failure to place him ahead of Herr Doktor Goebbels in the assignment of credit for implementation of the Nazis’ demographic policies.

  8. BoyfromTottenham

    The CAGW scandal will likely not fade away any time soon – like Lysenkoism it could be around for several decades:
    Lysenkoism was a political campaign conducted by Trofim Lysenko, his followers and Soviet authorities against genetics and science-based agriculture. Lysenko served as the director of the Soviet Union’s Lenin All-Union Academy of Agricultural Sciences. Lysenkoism began in the late 1920s and formally ended in 1964.

    In modern usage, the term lysenkoism has become distinct from normal pseudoscience. Where pseudoscience pretends to be science, lysenkoism aims at attacking the legitimacy of science itself, usually for political reasons. It is the rejection of the universality of scientific truth, and the deliberate defamation of the scientific method to the level of politics.” (Wikipedia)
    Anyone who doesn’t already know about Lysenkoism should take a couple of minutes to read the full Wikipedia entry, it is an eye opener and did huge economic and human damage in several communist countries before its proponents lost office or died. The parallels are easy to spot.

  9. Iampeter

    That’s great.
    Where were you on all this before 2008 and the conservatives were implementing the green bureaucracy in Australia?

  10. Dr Fred Lenin

    I suppose the fourth reich are happy one of thheirs is president of the EU ,they cand carry on the nature friendly policies of their socialist hero hitler .

  11. Rusty of Qld

    I don’t think the Greens give a rats arse how many die in their pursuit to attain the world they want, it’s all for the greater good. They are just absolute totalitarian dictators and you will bow down and obey!

  12. Mak Siccar

    As an aside, Peter Ridd in court today and tomorrow. I hope the hierarchy of JCU pays the price and not the taxpayer!

  13. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    To answer your question:

    1. 20th century Communism.
    2. Ghengis Khan
    3. Hitlerites.

  14. duncanm

    Boyfromtottenham,

    The real lesson to learn from Lysenko is the dangers of political influence on science.

  15. Rafe Champion

    Thanks Mak!
    Off topic, the origin of the term I mak siccar.

    As the murder of Red Comyn was 700 years ago… here’s the story of the family motto of the Kirkpatrick Clan… I Mak Siccar

    The origin of “I mak siccar” forms a direct link with one of the most decisive events in Scotland’s history. The defeat of Wallace by Edward I at Falkirk in 1298 was reputed to be due to the defection of the forces of John Comyn, Earl of Badenoch, to the English. After the capture and execution of Wallace in 1304, Comyn had ambitions of becoming King of Scotland himself. It was at the Monastery in Dumfries that Robert the Bruce, a strong supporter of Wallace, and Comyn came face to face. They quarrelled. Comyn was stabbed by Bruce. Rushing out to his escorts Bruce told them, “I doubt I have slain Comyn.” Roger Kirkpatrick, saying “I mak siccar” (I’ll make certain) ran into the building and finding Comyn wounded but alive, stabbed him to the heart. Subsequently, Robert the Bruce was crowned King of Scotland in 1306.

  16. a happy little debunker

    Where were you on all this before 2008 and the conservatives were implementing the green bureaucracy in Australia?

    I’ve been opposing this Green claptrap since before I was able to cast my first vote (1984).
    The trickery and deceit of the Hawke Government over the Gordon Below Franklin set a benchmark that frankly has yet to be beaten.

  17. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    In a way, Hawke was a Green-left revolutionary. The Franklin Dam nonsense was his worst decision, probably.

    1. Use of the military against civilians.
    2. Use of the military against a State government without their constitutionally prescribed consent.
    3. Arguing successfully for a wildly different version of constitutional interpretation of Commonwealth legislative powers.

  18. Squirrel

    There certainly are conspicuous authoritarian tendencies amongst Greenie types, but as much as anything, what we are seeing at present has a religious feel to it, with the current screeching about a climate emergency looking like the Green/Gaia version of hoping for the Rapture.

  19. I_am_not_a_robot

    Stalin’s first Five-Year Plan of 1928 is a suitable analog for the GND, a centralised plan to completely transform the economy from a predominantly agrarian to a predominantly industrial by force in that case with the concomitant vast scale human suffering, the GND aims to reverse the process by force because there is no other way.

  20. Lee

    Where were you on all this before 2008 and the conservatives were implementing the green bureaucracy in Australia?

    Speaking for myself, as a conservative, I have always been opposed to it, and any form of subsidization of renewable energy.
    If renewables are cheaper than coal and nuclear as the lefties and rent-seekers claim, then why do its producers need financial backing from others, such as the government/taxpayers?
    I notice you don’t say where you stand on the issue, though.

  21. The original poster was talking about PROPOGANDA.
    The comparison was apt.
    That being said, evoking Godwin’s Law is never a good idea.

  22. Elderly White Man From Skipton

    Looking at the numbers you can make a case that, on the scale of lost lives, if not on the scale of evil, the “war on CO2” would appear to rate higher than the crimes of the Nazis.

    There was someone named Fred on this site the other day who complained that Frydenberg (among others) had a say in our society.

    The remark above on Co2 is vile. WTF does “rate higher” mean?

    Seriously, this site is looking like some sort of masturbating den for criminal minds.

  23. Bar Beach Swimmer

    I’ve been opposing this Green claptrap since before I was able to cast my first vote (1984).
    The trickery and deceit of the Hawke Government over the Gordon Below Franklin set a benchmark that frankly has yet to be beaten.

    Well said.

  24. Bar Beach Swimmer

    I notice you don’t say where you stand on the issue, though.

    He never does.

  25. Entropy

    The trickery and deceit of the Hawke Government over the Gordon Below Franklin set a benchmark that frankly has yet to be beaten.

    The trickery and deceit of the Hawke Government over Coronation Hill set a benchmark that frankly has yet to be beaten.

    The trickery and deceit of the Hawke Government over Ravenshoe set a benchmark that frankly has yet to be beaten.

  26. bespoke

    Iampeter
    #3110366, posted on July 18, 2019 at 3:59 pm
    That’s great.
    Where were you on all this before 2008 and the conservatives were implementing the green bureaucracy in Australia?

    Not living at home, you?

  27. bespoke

    Not living at my parents home, you?

  28. Nob

    Iampeter
    #3110366, posted on July 18, 2019 at 3:59 pm
    That’s great.
    Where were you on all this before 2008 and the conservatives were implementing the green bureaucracy in Australia?

    I was drill baby drilling!

    In Australia, NZ, UK , Norway Germany, Austria , Congo, India and Italy in that year alone.

    Where were you , fearless fatarse internet warrior?

  29. jupes

    Where were you on all this before 2008 and the conservatives were implementing the green bureaucracy in Australia?

    The Liberals are not conservatives you twit.

  30. Empire 5:5

    Yes I am not aware of climate propagandists who have killed anybody deliberately although there appears to be a body of Deep Green thought that regards some billions of people as surplus to requirements or the carrying capacity of the planet.

    Of course they have. The key objective of ecofascism is depopulation. If their policies didn’t intentionally kill any humans, the modern ecofascist experiment (founding CEO Maurice Strong) would have been declared an abject failure. Last I checked, they have ‘t conceded (yet).

    The original ecofascist movement (nationalist socialism) may have been more successful (20M+ Soviet citizens + 60M others) in a shorter time frame, but it’s doubtful a WW could successfully marketed now days.

    Whenever you see this: Climate propagandists aren’t very intelligent people, but they didn’t kill anybody.
    Please stop such insane comparisons
    , it’s just a clown enticing you to look the other way.

    Thermogeddonism is a real and present danger. Never ever give it’s proponents a free pass.

  31. Mark M

    “Climate propagandists aren’t very intelligent people, (true), but they didn’t kill anybody.”

    False.

    2012: UK aid helps to fund forced sterilisation of India’s poor

    Yet a working paper published by the UK’s Department for International Development in 2010 cited the need to fight [global warming] as one of the key reasons for pressing ahead with such programmes.

    The document argued that reducing population numbers would cut greenhouse gases

    Tens of millions of pounds of UK aid money have been spent on a programme that has forcibly sterilised Indian women and men, the Observer has learned.

    With officials and doctors paid a bonus for every operation, poor and little-educated men and women in rural areas are routinely rounded up and sterilised without having a chance to object.

    Activists say some are told they are going to health camps for operations that will improve their general wellbeing and only discover the truth after going under the knife.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/apr/15/uk-aid-forced-sterilisation-india

    2014: Ten Indian women die and dozens critical after mass sterilisation

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/11222316/Eight-Indian-women-die-and-dozens-critical-after-mass-sterilisation.html

    When greens ask who will think of the children, they don’t mean your children.

    The green pogrom on poor, uneducated people of colour continues unabated.

  32. Jannie

    Climate Change Alarmism is silly. Population Alarmism is not silly. Western populations fall, but populations in Africa and ME continue to expand, encouraged by the globalists in the West inviting them to migrate and to fill up the expected economic and population vacuum in Europe. The tiniest country in Africa, say Lesotho or Rwanda, could repopulate Australia three times in fifty years.

  33. Iampeter

    Not living at my parents home, you?

    So even people who are still not competent enough to move out of home are less politically illiterate than you?

    Good call!

    Thanks Mak!

    Ah, the Ridd case. Just like with Folau, it’s another example of you totally understanding the difference between public and private, right?

    You’re totally not a politically illiterate leftist posting on a right wing blog for some reason…

  34. Iampeter

    Where were you on all this before 2008 and the conservatives were implementing the green bureaucracy in Australia?

    The Liberals are not conservatives you twit.

    I guess neither were the Australian Conservatives, what with their shrine to Howard as the Last True Australian Conservative.

    You’ve got things figured out.

  35. JC

    Jannie

    If you’re relying on demos’ population projections for African countries to paint a scary scenario, spare a thought to their biggest fuckup so far – the one they will keep quiet about.

    Mid East population is now projected to be nations of old geezers by 2050 onwards. In fact their biggest problem is not having any ability to cater for this massive cohort in old age. Mid East birth rates have literally plummeted and Demos have never seen such a fall before. possibly outside of large scale war.

  36. Where were you on all this before 2008 and the conservatives were implementing the green bureaucracy in Australia?

    In 1974, I read Rachel Carsons ‘Silent Spring’ and was utterly taken in by it.
    Over the next year I began to realise just what an insidious piece of propaganda it was and have ever since become more and more sceptical about the entire Green movement.

  37. JC:

    Mid East population is now projected to be nations of old geezers by 2050 onwards. In fact their biggest problem is not having any ability to cater for this massive cohort in old age. Mid East birth rates have literally plummeted and Demos have never seen such a fall before. possibly outside of large scale war.

    Is there a reason for the mideast birthrate plummet, apart from it being such a shithole, who’d bother bringing kids into it?

  38. Geoff Pahoff

    To compare pinheads on either side of climate debate with Nazis and the consequence with the Holocaust is raving barking mad. You guys have had a morality bypass and your brains transplanted
    with beached jellyfish.

    Is catching a cold in a hospital murder by doctor?

    This is way beyond ignorance. This is a war against rational thought dressed up with double think that would put Orwell to shame. Shame on all of you. You just lost the argument.

  39. This is way beyond ignorance. This is a war against rational thought dressed up with double think that would put Orwell to shame. Shame on all of you. You just lost the argument.

    Once you dismount from your moral high horse, remove those rose-tinted glasses and find some sound footing, you might just consider a little more deeply how the intentional deaths of millions by the wilful actions of climate scare mongers and their acolytes is not that far removed from the path taken by the Nazis.

    And if the cooling, as predicted, does come about and the world is unprepared because all inexpensive and reliable energy sources have been disposed of and can’t be replaced for a decade, what then? Potentially millions more might perish through cold and starvation. In both cases the road to hell is/was paved by supposedly ‘good’ intentions of both parties.

  40. Bemused:

    And if the cooling, as predicted, does come about and the world is unprepared because all inexpensive and reliable energy sources have been disposed of and can’t be replaced for a decade, what then? Potentially millions more might perish through cold and starvation. In both cases the road to hell is/was paved by supposedly ‘good’ intentions of both parties.

    Two points I’d like to make clear, Bemused – Millions will perish through cold and starvation, and secondly, that was always the intention – to reduce the “human virus” to manageable levels.

  41. Two points I’d like to make clear, Bemused – Millions will perish through cold and starvation, and secondly, that was always the intention – to reduce the “human virus” to manageable levels.

    This is my point. The Holocaust was a terrible thing, but it’s not something that might not happen once again. Few saw what was coming with Nazism and few now acknowledge what’s coming with Green Nazism. It’s happening before our very eyes. And today’s world is full of Neville Chamberlains kowtowing to the UN.

  42. RobK

    Where were you on all this before 2008 and the conservatives were implementing the green bureaucracy in Australia?
    Defending myself in court against ten years of bureaucratic eco-persecution of my property rights, in that year alone. I won that battle but not the war.

  43. Tel

    The Liberals are not conservatives you twit.

    But they believe in something! It’s on their website so it must be true.

    https://www.liberal.org.au/our-beliefs

  44. Tel

    Now I take a look … the Liberal Party talks about rights protecting government …

  45. Iampeter

    Nowhere in their beliefs website does the phrase “rights protecting government” appear, nor would it matter if it did. They are just throwing words together they don’t understand just like here at the Cat.
    But what’s you’re argument? When they are advocating for rights protecting govenrment, they are actually being socialists? But when they are advocating for conservatism and then leading they way in building green bureaucracies they are really being capitalists? But capitalists are really just socialists, so it’s only socialists who are truly capitalists?

    Every thread is the same with you morons.

    This is a website of liars, imbeciles, cranks, religious nut-jobs and all round politically illiterate leftists.

    Can’t wait for the response posts of more randomly strung together words saying nothing and contradicting yourselves.

  46. Nob

    Heispeter is a reactive troll.

    Nothing to contribute.

    Scrollover territory.

  47. Tel

    Nowhere in their beliefs website does the phrase “rights protecting government” appear, nor would it matter if it did.

    Any political party that declares their primary belief “in the inalienable rights and freedoms of all peoples” has also committed to protecting those rights and freedoms. I understand that English might not be your first language (and I try to make allowance for that) but you have spent enough time lambasting others for lack of research … so it’s rather uncool if you aren’t willing to put in that tiny iota of effort yourself.

    As for whether the Liberal Party has lived up to their stated beliefs … well obviously they have fallen short by a long shot. That said, how much has the Fake Randian Party done for Australia? You always knock others but I’ve never seen one positive suggestion come out of you. That’s because you are fake … a real Randian would have made some effort to explain such points.

  48. Iampeter

    Any political party that declares their primary belief “in the inalienable rights and freedoms of all peoples” has also committed to protecting those rights and freedoms.

    Wow, so when you need the Liberals to be a failed right wing party you’ll just become a maestro of joining dots, but when they are actually a failed conservative party, suddenly they aren’t really conservatives, nothing to see here? Makes sense.

    I understand that English might not be your first language (and I try to make allowance for that) but you have spent enough time lambasting others for lack of research … so it’s rather uncool if you aren’t willing to put in that tiny iota of effort yourself.

    Yea, that’s the problem.
    Not the fact that you are a politically illiterate leftist on what’s meant to be a right wing blog. Wouldn’t be that at all.

    As for whether the Liberal Party has lived up to their stated beliefs … well obviously they have fallen short by a long shot.

    How do you know? You don’t know anything about politics. What would they have fallen short of? As opposed to what?
    Are you sad that a party randomly regulated things you don’t think they should regulate for random reasons, but then happy that same party did regulates other things randomly that you think should be regulated for random reasons?

    You always knock others but I’ve never seen one positive suggestion come out of you.

    No, that’s a description of you mongoloids, not me.
    The fact that you don’t understand what’s being said and have no business on a politics website is not my fault.

    That’s because you are fake … a real Randian would have made some effort to explain such points.

    Yes because I’ve never made any effort to explain anything.
    The fact you are a politically illiterate leftist, who doesn’t want to hear any explanations because they expose how shallow to non-existent your knowledge is on a subject you’ve spent years pretending to talk about, has nothing to do with it.

    Hmm, almost like there’s a theme here…

  49. Tel

    Start by showing some demonstration that you understand the words in that Liberal Party belief statement, and that you are not a fake who is here to troll.

  50. Iampeter

    Start by showing some demonstration that you understand the words in that Liberal Party belief statement, and that you are not a fake who is here to troll.

    Why would I need to start with that?
    You don’t know anything about politics and are spectacularly unintelligent as I’ve just demonstrated yet again.
    You managed to contradict yourself on two levels in your single sentence in post #3111193.

    You’ve literally understood NOTHING that has just been said to you and repeatedly demonstrate no understanding of any political terms or concepts.

    You just say random words as if they mean whatever you need them to mean in whatever random context you’re using them.

  51. Iampeter

    Heispeter is a reactive troll.

    Nothing to contribute.

    Scrollover territory.

    Yep let me apologize for that Nob.

    When people come to a website advertised as leading Libertarian and Right Wing website, they expect to see nut-jobs and cranks call for regulation of every aspect of our lives, from trade to tech companies to marriage, only to then contradict themselves and randomly oppose regulations by environmentalists, while ignoring that it was their own faction that created these regulations in the first place.

    This level of confused leftism, bat-shit stupidity, ignorance and self contradiction, is what people come to Right Wing websites for.

    My mistake. I’ll try to not interrupt such quality content that makes perfect sense for it to be here.

  52. Tel

    You managed to contradict yourself on two levels in your single sentence in post #3111193.

    Being able to competently detect subtle sarcasm is something most political bloggers can deal with.

  53. Iampeter

    Being able to competently detect subtle sarcasm is something most political bloggers can deal with.

    Your sarcasm wasn’t lost on me, it just made no sense, like everything you post.

    Also, why don’t you stop asking questions and actually make a point of your own?
    Why am I the one constantly having to field idiotic questions and explain everything only to then be accused by the same idiots of not explaining anything?

    Is it because you don’t have anything other than cringe talking points that make no sense and are a childish imitation of someone discussing politics?

    What about the balance of power, Tel?
    What about Clive Palmer?
    Politics and stuff and things and politics.

    Get outta here you confused muppet.

  54. Iampeter

    What you guys don’t realize is that the hole conservatives dug for themselves with Howard is nothing compared to the hole you are digging with Trump.
    Once Democrats are in office again passing all the same leftist policies as Trump has done, regulating trade, tech companies, attacking the free press, what are you going to do? You’ve just spent years mindlessly supporting this stuff, you can’t now turn around and start opposing it as if the Trump administration didn’t happen.

    Once democrats have the presidency you will have no arguments you can make against them anymore.

    Conservatism is over as a political movement.

    The fact that you guys know nothing about politics is not going to be possible to evade for very much longer.

  55. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    What you guys don’t realize is that the hole conservatives dug for themselves with Howard is nothing compared to the hole you are digging with Trump.

    Trump is doing some good things from a freedom-loving perspective.

    Howard ran a responsible centre-left government.

    You are making predictions that are waaay overblown.

    Trump’s net trade regulation is effectively zero and he hasn’t regulated tech commerce yet.

    Once Democrats are in office again passing all the same leftist policies as Trump has done, regulating trade, tech companies, attacking the free press, what are you going to do? You’ve just spent years mindlessly supporting this stuff, you can’t now turn around and start opposing it as if the Trump administration didn’t happen.

    More like IF that ever happens.

  56. John Stankevicius

    Could everyone drop calling commies fascists. Facissts are clean well groomed and have skilled jobs, commoners look like crinckled roll your own cig, are lippy and have no skill but seek joy in destruction and dragging everyone down to a base level which is the Lo.west form of life.
    Pull your heads in.

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