Arky: I am tired of conservative bleating over social media.

Watching the latest Candace Owens offering,  I finally blew a valve.

Conservatives are going to get nowhere good with their unending complaints over big tech and the internal policing of content.

In fact, they may just be opening the door for future progressive governments to start monitoring and controlling online content.

Worse still, it’s boring. What proportion of conservative content on social media is now about the censorship of conservative content on social media? Enough!

Curious why I think FB has too much power? Let’s start with their ability to shut down a debate over whether FB has too much power. Thanks for restoring my posts. But I want a social media marketplace that isn’t dominated by a single censor.

— Elizabeth Warren (@ewarren) March 11, 2019

Well, OK. So even a Democrat like Warren can see the danger of public discourse controlled by a few huge corporations, good, right?

I think not. This isn’t heading towards a freer, healthier online environment. This is opening the door to regulation and government watchdogs.

We can, for example, regulate Internet advertising, just as we regulate broadcast advertising, insisting that people know when and why they are being shown political ads or, indeed, any ads. We can curb the anonymity of the Internet — recent research shows that the number of fake accounts on Facebook may be far higher than what the company has stated in public — because we have a right to know whether we are interacting with real people or bots. In the longer term, there may be even more profound solutions. What would a public-interest algorithm look like, for example, or a form of social media that favored constructive conversations over polarization?

-Anne Applebaum, Washington Post.

The antidote to big tech censorship is entrepreneurship.

Conservatives aren’t generally built with the ability to create original and interesting media content. Their brains don’t work that way.

Therefore they need to do what they are good at: build new companies and institutions.

The solution has to be vertical: from financing to advertising to ISPs to media.

Stop whinging and start building explicitly conservative organisations.

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79 Responses to Arky: I am tired of conservative bleating over social media.

  1. This is certainly one of the biggest loads of crap posted on the Cat.

  2. stackja

    DT knows how to do it.

  3. Louis

    I don’t think you realise just how big Google and Facebook are and how far there reach is. Not to mention the honey pot they present for enemy foreign governments.

    Government have already granted them their status. They are effectively a guild being considered a ‘platform’. They only way to be considered a ‘platform’ is to be granted such status from government. In order to actually compete with them, you too need to be a ‘platform’.

  4. Rafe Champion

    Lets just do it. Some have made a start.

  5. Tim Neilson

    FFS what is so difficult to understand about the rule of law?

    We have laws that “publishers” who pick and choose their content are responsible for what they choose to publish, and that, in very broad terms, “common carriers” who don’t pick and choose but just provide a service don’t have that type of liability.

    Why is it so hard to understand that the internet giants shouldn’t be allowed to keep sheltering from responsibility by falsely claiming to be common carriers when they’re very clearly operating as publishers?

    That is, why is it so hard to understand that the law should be enforced?

  6. C.L.

    Conservatives aren’t generally built with the ability to create original and interesting media content.

    Mmyes, Tim Blair and Mark Steyn are not as original as Waleed Aly and Whoopi Goldberg.

  7. This post is suggesting that conservatives just skulk away and build an imaginary world away from reality.

  8. Publius

    This Arky person should have adult supervision while using the internet. FFS.
    PayPal bans you- stop complaining damn you, build your own payment network
    WellFargo closes your accounts- build your own bank
    MasterCard cancels your credit cards- build our own credit card from scratch
    Google won’t let you advertise your business- build your own search engine (user base: 1) etc etc etc.

    no wonder our side never wins. all want to lose with grace. Go loose elsewhere knave- we’re fighting now.
    This fool shouldn’t be allowed posting rights on this site. Let’s take a vote.
    Consider my bull gored

  9. Behind Enemy Lines

    Your proposed approach assumes that we can innovate- and entrepreneur our way forward faster than the woke corporatocracy and their government-funded SJW chums can screw us. On evidence to date, that’s a bad bet.

    Sure, we need to build our own platforms, etcetera, and a lot of that work is well underway.

    But at the same time we need to fight back against open political discrimination by a range of businesses that happen to be operating under actual or de facto goverment licenses.

    For example, WestPac will close your account if they don’t like your politics. Is the answer to create our own bank? No, that’s silly. WestPac needs to either be forced to provide an evenhanded service, or else have their license pulled.

    Likewise, the social media oligopoly operates under a de facto license, by which government allows them to be common carriers when they defame us, and allows them to be publishers when they deplatform us. The natural response to this sort of predatory, prejudiced oligopoly is a boot up the bum from the Commonwealth.

    Like it or not, we live in a heavily-regulated society in which we pay over the odds for a meddlesome government. We aren’t calling it into existence, it’s already here. So t’s only sensible to fight back against licensed bullies by using the force of the government that licenses them.

    Either we use the government while we can, or there’ll come a time when we can’t use it at all.

  10. Arky

    PayPal bans you- stop complaining damn you, build your own payment network

    ..
    Yes.
    Because Trump won’t be President forever and a Democrat solution to big tech won’t be one you will enjoy.
    By the way, if you think you are conservative, you prove my point. Gad, you are dull.
    Look, there is no certainty here, no sure solution. But if you are too scared to build outright, proudly conservative banks, media companies, ISPs advertising agencies, etc, because you think you won’t can’t compete, this stinks of the same libertarian excuses that saw us give up making stuff.

  11. Tom

    Arky: I am tired of conservatives bleating over social media.

    FIFY, Aky.

  12. Bruce of Newcastle

    The problem is that even ISPs are now being captured. Sign up and you’re in a contract for a couple years only to find the ISP has self-censored conservative sites. Sheesh.

    I hope Barr’s investigation results in mandatory breakup of all these sheepskin-wearing activist corporations. It would be so much fun!

    DOJ opens antitrust inquiry into top tech companies (23 July)

  13. Stop whinging and start building explicitly conservative organisations.

    No point banging our heads against a wall trying to explain reality to these low info posters.
    The statement above from Arky says it all. He is unaware of the numerous SocMed start ups crushed by the likes of Visa and Mastercard and Pay Pal etal, who refuse to handle on-line transactions of conservative start ups.
    Arky thinks even though almost all avenues that lead to the info highway have been closed off by these tech giants, we can just have a few meetings and start our own tech giants and interweb thingies.

    Imagine a small innovator having his electricity cut. No problemo, get yourself a generator. But hey, no one will sell me a generator. No problemo, just build yourself a generator. It’s a free World right?
    I built a generator but no one will sell me the diesel to power it. No worries mate, start drilling, get your own oil and distill it into diesel. It’s a free World right?

    This is the result of believing that if its in a text book, if its theoretically correct, than it must work in the real World.
    Libertarians. If the left wasn’t so evil, I’d say libertarians were worse for humanity. (Only because they are so naive, yet act like geniuses)

  14. Driftforge

    Complaining is largely useless. Building your own has some use. Making the rubble bounce – i.e. making the degenerationists pay ($$$) for their violation of the very rules they have set up, even more. Breaking up their artifices , and recognizing that this is what Big Tech has by and large become – better again.

    But all of this must recognize that in the end, the economies of the degenerate and the noble are separating and that civil war will near inevitably follow. All of these actions are merely positioning for the coming conflict. To the extent that real damage can be done to the traitors, let it be done. To the extent that our reserves and capacity can be built, even more so.

    Freedom is the flower of civilisation, not the root.

  15. Looks like Publius and BEL posted their comments while I was typing mine.

  16. A Lurker

    Okay, we build our own platforms, but odds on they will be subverted from the inside out. Then back to square one again.

  17. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    You can build your own platform but can you build your own bank and payment processor?

  18. JC

    You can build your own platform but can you build your own bank and payment processor?

    I think the Trump administration just fucked Facebook’s idea of the Libra by suggesting the government was going to impose banking regulations on the issuance. Good luck.

  19. Arky

    You can build your own platform but can you build your own bank and payment processor?

    ..
    Conservatives build stuff.
    It’s what they do.

  20. Rococo Liberal

    … Visa and Mastercard and Pay Pal etal, who refuse to handle on-line transactions of conservative start ups.

    Have you got a source for that?

  21. Phill

    Arky, I am not sure you understand the risks here. Not surprising, given that the discussion in the media and by the politicians has not yet figured it out.

    Why would a future progressive government seek to monitor and control online content, when the big corporations (google, facebook, reddit etc) are already doing so for them?

    It’s already quite clear that these platforms can be used to significantly enhance a political campaign. Obama proved that in 2012. Barack Obama’s digital operation was key to his re-election effort. Google “Inside the Cave,” if you want to know how that worked. In part, it centred on Facebook allowing its platform to be used , by that campaign only, in a way that significantly invaded the privacy of users. How? Whenever a facebook user made a donation, their list of friends was published to the campaign, and those friends were also approached for donations / spamming and so on. The campaign also was able to mine the vast data repository behind facebook to identify anyone who might be responsive. Sure, all political parties maintain databases, but very few have access to the wealth of information held by facebook and google. Its a decisive advantage, especially when only one political flavour is allowed to use it.

    Speaking of vast databases, facebook and google are not alone. Other very large vendors (outside of social media) have seen the value (so far, mainly for figuring out what type of ads a person on the internet might respond to) of maintaining as many cross referenced records on people as they possibly can. One I am aware of has extensive records of billions of individuals. By extensive, I don’t mean just name rank and serial number. They have all of that, plus personal preferences, political interests, credit history, internet history, app usage and so on. Hundreds of facts about each individual, across the world. Facts derived from sneaky surveillance, cookies, ad-trackers and many other methods that would fly under most peoples radar. Any source of data is sucked up, correlated, then marketed for profit.

    As an example of how troubling this is, consider any credit record you might have at any of the standard financial reporting agencies. It has been sold one or more of the bigger global players, then cross referenced with other data, building a detailed picture of your credit worthiness, social positions, academic capabilities, political positions, family relations, and any other personal feature that might somehow be marketable in the future.

    Think of the value of that for law enforcement, intelligence and the like. And as for the social engineering possibilities, the only difference between China’s social credit system and what is sitting in western data centres, is that China announced it, and proclaimed what they would use it for. The west already has the data at least, and is using it for purposes that don’t extend to managing “social credit”, but that is just a short tweak from where they already are.

    So, why would any conservative seek to build their own version of the same thing, to get around a current leftist / statist / autocratic monopoly on big data, when the whole idea goes against a number of things I hold dear.

    Many western governments are constrained by law as to how they can interconnect and cross link their databases. The commercial world is not. They have had a lot of time to consider how big data can be monetised. Think it through. The issues and risks are much bigger than you think. Foundational principles such as freedom and privacy are at risk. I don’t know the answers, but the last thing I would do is “start building explicitly conservative” versions.

  22. JC

    A recent court forcing Trump to unblock some leftwing idiot on his Twitter account may have some important implications for others too on free speech grounds.

  23. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Rococo Liberal
    #3118280, posted on July 29, 2019 at 5:21 pm

    … Visa and Mastercard and Pay Pal etal, who refuse to handle on-line transactions of conservative start ups.

    Have you got a source for that?

    Yep.

    Even the payment processors for porn are scared to do some political stuff.

    “Do your own research, come to your own conclusions”

  24. thefrollickingmole

    Government have already granted them their status. They are effectively a guild being considered a ‘platform’. They only way to be considered a ‘platform’ is to be granted such status from government. In order to actually compete with them, you too need to be a ‘platform’.

    Their “product” is available largely risk free to themselves thanks to the fiction that they are just platforms.
    Without their platform protection they would be up poop creek.

    Either they are editors and fully responsible for their content or they are free for all (bar actual illegal activities).

  25. I_am_not_a_robot

    Anne Applebaum of the Washington Post is a celebrated author of detailed and definitive studies of Stalinism who of all people ought to be more than sensitive to the pernicious effects of State control of information and discourse.

  26. Jannie

    You fail this test Arky. Go back to your room and look up the meaning of these words.

    Monopoly

    Cartel

    Publisher

    Carrier

  27. Tel

    Have you got a source for that?

    There’s lots of examples.

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/visa-mastercard-cut-off-all-credit-card-donations-to-us-says-us-conservativ

    Just the first one off the search engine.

    However, there’s also lots of payment processors out there, but if the big guys really manage to put their foot down most of those little payment processors will be forced to abandon customers too. There’s always cheques and bank transfers as a fallback … at a significant nuisance factor.

    Interesting question whether a big payment processor can legally cut off a smaller payment processor from the transaction network, not for violating any rules, but merely for having a customer that isn’t politically correct. For example, the “David Horowitz Freedom Center” is politically outspoken for sure, but has never done anything illegal to the best of my knowledge. So you have one big player in the marketplace who not only refuses to do business with XYZ (under a “free society” that’s would probably be OK), but also applies pressure on everyone else to refuse to do business with XYZ (which is certainly anti-competitive and probably an unfair trade practice).

    https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Secondary+Boycott

    Generally a secondary boycott is considered an Unfair Labor Practice when it is organized by a labor union. Congress first acted to prohibit secondary boycotts in the Labor-Management Relations Act of 1947 (29 U.S.C.A. § 141 et seq.), also called the Taft-Hartley Act. The Taft-Hartley Act was a set of amendments to the National Labor Relations Act, also known as the Wagner Act of 1935 (29 U.S.C.A. § 151 et seq.). Congress limits the right of labor unions to conduct secondary boycotts because such activity is considered basically unfair and because it can have a devastating effect on intrastate and interstate commerce and the general state of the economy.

    That’s really about unions, but this kind of thing is the business-to-business equivalent of that.

  28. Tel

    I just checked and there is a donations page available at the David Horowitz Freedom Center so it looks like the attempt to blacklist him has failed.

    There’s an interesting comment from Gab who are pushing back in their own way …

    Bitcoin: Free Speech Money & Censorship-Resistant Payment Processing

    Gab has been no-platformed by numerous payment processors including Paypal, Stripe, Coinbase, Square, Bitpay, and more. While Gab has accepted Bitcoin since we began accepting donations in 2016, we decided it was time to introduce our community to Bitcoin – which we like to call “free speech money” – in January of 2019.

    We’ve since generated tens of thousands of dollars in Bitcoin transactions and have introduced thousands of Gab users to Bitcoin. We believe that Bitcoin is the answer to financial censorship on the internet. Our plans, as mentioned above, are to integrate Bitcoin and the Bitcoin’s Lightning Network tooling into our line of free speech products to empower our users to facilitate commerce, tip one another, and be more free from corporate censorship and control. We hope that Bitcoin will be the payment processing backbone of the free speech internet Gab is building.

    https://invest.gab.com/en/projects/9413-Gab–The-Free-Speech-Internet–US

  29. mh

    Bleating? Thats coming from a Kiwi.

    You’re not baaaad, Arky.

  30. JC

    Bitcoin: Free Speech Money & Censorship-Resistant Payment Processing

    Yea, for Bitcoin and nothing else. Zero flexibility.

  31. Lee

    In fact, they may just be opening the door for future progressive governments to start monitoring and controlling online content.

    If “progressives” aren’t already doing that, then don’t assume they won’t do so in the future, regardless of what conservative or right wing governments do!
    The left doesn’t hold themselves to abide by the standards that they expect conservatives and the right to.
    Progressives will trample over conservatives and those on the right every time, like the bullies they are, unless stood up to.
    “Turning the other cheek” or being nice to your enemy while being hammered by them does not work.

  32. Lee

    This post is suggesting that conservatives just skulk away and build an imaginary world away from reality.

    True.
    I am tired of conservatives not acting, because they worry about what the left might do or say.

  33. Cassie of Sydney

    I don’t know where to start with this crap…

    “In fact, they may just be opening the door for future progressive governments to start monitoring and controlling online content.”

    Well it isn’t the future sunshine, it’s happening now…from both progressive and not so progressive governments…..after Christchurch….Bitchute, 4chan and various other sites were blocked in this country…..I think that Gab was also blocked here for a while…it might even still be blocked….you have to get a VPN or know how to change your computer to access Bitchute.

    “Stop whinging and start building explicitly conservative organisations.”

    Well yes…..all well and good but those “conservative platforms and organisations” that have been built…such as Gab (a free speech platform) or Minds (a Facebook alternative)…or those that are currently being such as the one that Jordan Peterson is building….are constantly subjected to attacks from the left….smeared as platforms for the far right, the hard right, the extreme right, nazis, white supremacists, incels and all the rest of the crap that they throw at the centre and the right.

    Here’s just a smidgeon of “conservatives” who have been banned from platforms….platforms that still host Antifa, far left groups and organisations (that preach violence), Islamist organisations, Hamas, Hezbollah…..and I could go on and on and on….

    Sargon of Akkad…hardly conservative or far right….banned from twitter, banned from Patreon..oh and after his “banning” from Patreon….he moved to a startup run by Russians called “Subscribestar” which was then blocked temporarily by Mastercard and Paypal because both Mastercard and Paypal were being subjected to pressure from far left pressure groups. His youtube channel has now been demonetised.

    Robert Spencer…hardly far right…he runs a website that monitors the religion of pieces…..he had his account closed by Mastercard and Paypal…….because of activism by an Islamist organisation….I kid you not.

    David Horowitz…..account closed by Mastercard
    Lauren Southern..banned from Patreon
    Milo..banned from everywhere
    Alex Jones….banned from everywhere
    Laura Loomer…banned from everywhere
    Pamela Geller…banned from everywhere and doxed by Antifa
    Paul Joseph Watson..banned from Facebook and Instagram…still active on Youtube…but for how long?
    Avi Yemeni….banned from Facebook and Instagram…still active on Youtube…but for how long?

    and I could go on and on and on.

    Oh and closer to home…we have a television network called Sky News…which during the evening has the AUDACITY to host some conservative/right wing/libertarian commentators….haven’t you heard about Sky after Dark? For hosting conservative commentators Sky is constantly under siege from pernicious and very ugly far left activist groups such as “Sleeping Giants”…or as I prefer to call them…”Sleeping Midgets”…..because of their far left activism…many advertisers have pulled business from Sky…..I have personally fought back at an advertiser that succumbed to pressure from those midgets and this particular advertiser is now back on Sky advertising….but what I am trying to say is that even if conservatives set up a completely new television station…it needs money and thus it would require advertisers…..and yet those advertisers would be subjected to the same pressure from far left scum to cease advertising.

    I think that it’s entirely appropriate to “whinge”…..actually it’s better to be angry.

  34. Cassie of Sydney

    I just don’t know where to start with this crap…

    “In fact, they may just be opening the door for future progressive governments to start monitoring and controlling online content.”

    Well it isn’t the future sunshine, it’s happening now…from both progressive and not so progressive governments…..after Christchurch….Bitchute, 4chan and various other sites were blocked in this country…..I think Gab was also blocked here for a while…it might even still be blocked….you have to get a VPN or know how to change your computer to access Bitchute.

    “Stop whinging and start building explicitly conservative organisations.”

    Well yes…..all well and good but those “conservative platforms and organisations” that have been built…such as Gab (a free speech platform) or Minds (a Facebook alternative)…or those that are currently being such as the one that Jordan Peterson is building….are constantly subjected to attacks from the left….smeared as platforms for the fascists, far right, the hard right, the extreme right, nuttzies, white supremacists, incels and all the rest of the crap that they throw at the centre and the right.

    Here’s just a smidgeon of “conservatives” who have been banned from platforms….platforms that still host Antifa, far left groups and organisations (that preach violence), religion of pieces extremist organisations, Hamas, Hezbollah…..and I could go on and on and on….

    Sargon of Akkad…hardly conservative or far right….banned from twitter, banned from Patreon..oh and after his “banning” from Patreon….he moved to a startup run by Russians called “Subscribestar” which was then blocked temporarily by Mastercard and Paypal because both Mastercard and Paypal were being subjected to pressure from far left pressure groups. His youtube channel has now been demonetised.
    Robert Spencer…hardly far right…he runs a website that monitors the religion of pieces…..he had his account closed by Mastercard and Paypal…….because of activism by a religion of pieces organisation….I kid you not.

    David Horowitz…..account closed by Mastercard
    Lauren Southern..banned from Patreon
    Milo..banned from everywhere
    Alex Jones….banned from everywhere
    Laura Loomer…banned from everywhere
    Pamela Geller…banned from everywhere and doxed by Antifa
    Paul Joseph Watson..banned from Facebook and Instagram…still active on Youtube…but for how long?
    Avi Yemeni….banned from Facebook and Instagram…still active on Youtube…but for how long?

    and I could go on and on and on.

    Oh and closer to home…we have a television network called Sky News…which during the evening has the AUDACITY to host some conservative/right wing/libertarian commentators….haven’t you heard about Sky after Dark? For hosting conservative commentators Sky is constantly under siege from pernicious and very ugly far left activist groups such as “Sleeping Giants”…or as I prefer to call them…”Sleeping Midgets”…..because of their far left activism…many advertisers have pulled business from Sky…..I have personally fought back at an advertiser that succumbed to pressure from those midgets and this particular advertiser is now back on Sky advertising….but what I am trying to say is that even if conservatives set up a completely new television station…it needs money and thus it would require advertisers…..and yet those advertisers would be subjected to the same pressure from far left scum to cease advertising.

    I think that it’s entirely appropriate to “whinge”…..actually it’s better to be angry.

  35. Lee

    Okay, we build our own platforms, but odds on they will be subverted from the inside out. Then back to square one again.

    O’Sullivan’s Law states that any organization or enterprise that is not explicitly right wing will become left wing over time.
    It could have happened to the Liberal party had Turnbull still be leading it (and other wets like Bishop, Brandis, Pyne and Kelly stayed), regardless of whether he was PM or not.

  36. Arky

    The conservative mindset builds.
    The liberal mindset creates.
    The progressive mindset destroys.
    And the loser mindset complains and waits for rescue.

  37. Chris M

    Libertarians are totally cool if WordPress delete Catallaxy Files website and permanently block it for no provided reason (like they did with Chateau Heartiste for example).

    Not one of them will complain.

  38. Roger

    That is, why is it so hard to understand that the law should be enforced?

    +1

    Meanwhile, “common carrier” Facebook is banning ads with the term ‘Christian’ in them.

  39. roger

    Libertarians are totally cool if WordPress delete Catallaxy Files website

    Not sure it can, unless it is hosted by a WordPress host, rather than just powered by a WordPress software and hosted independently of WordPress.
    But, if a certain host does not wish to host your website, move to another host.
    Next question.

  40. Chris M

    But, if a certain host does not wish to host your website, move to another host.
    Next question.

    You like to be rogered?

  41. cohenite

    So obvious it had to be said. The non-left in the West has not yet woken up to what they are dealing with: the left who don’t play by the rules. If you play by the rules you’re stuffed. So far Trump has got this; Farrage maybe and a few other leaders and potential leaders in Europe and Brazil. To beat the left you have to act like the left.

  42. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    So obvious it had to be said. The non-left in the West has not yet woken up to what they are dealing with: the left who don’t play by the rules. If you play by the rules you’re stuffed. So far Trump has got this; Farrage maybe and a few other leaders and potential leaders in Europe and Brazil. To beat the left you have to act like the left.

    conservatives seem to be bound by the “conservatives should act by their principles” mantra. it’s a losing proposition as we have been watching steadily unfold for the last few decades. conservatism is pretty much dead and buried, it’s only the sheer stupidity of the left that allows the odd conservative to get into power these days. or look at the UK, conservatives are labor light.

    A take no prisoners approach is what is required. scorched earth policy when it comes to any forms of marxism.

  43. stackja

    Liberty Quote
    When it comes to free speech principled lefties are thin on the ground.

    — Mark Steyn

  44. roger

    To beat the left you have to act like the left.

    The only way to beat the left is to stop playing with the Left and its games.
    That is how Tony Abbott smashed Labor, and how Trump smashed the Democrats.
    That is why Labor wiped the floor with Turnbull and before him Brendan Nelson, and how Obama did the same with McCain and Romney.

  45. Tel

    O’Sullivan’s Law states that any organization or enterprise that is not explicitly right wing will become left wing over time.

    But it’s kind of difficult to do that with a crypto-currency that is indeed an organization of sorts, but it doesn’t have a central point to get infiltrated.

  46. 2dogs

    numerous SocMed start ups crushed by the likes of Visa and Mastercard and Pay Pal et al, who refuse to handle on-line transactions of conservative start ups

    The social graph needs to be moved into the public domain.

    Once that happens, we will get social media firms of all political colours, to an extent they can not be crushed by other corporate actors.

  47. Lee

    So obvious it had to be said. The non-left in the West has not yet woken up to what they are dealing with: the left who don’t play by the rules.

    I have long thought that we should play them at their own game.
    Turn the other cheek and they will stomp all over anyone who disagrees with them.
    Reasoning does not work with them, they just change the rules as they go along, to get their own way.

  48. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Chris M
    #3118406, posted on July 29, 2019 at 7:47 pm

    Libertarians are totally cool if WordPress delete Catallaxy Files website and permanently block it for no provided reason (like they did with Chateau Heartiste for example).

    Not one of them will complain.

    Are you totally cool for an evangelical Christian baker to deny a gay dude service baking a wedding a cake?

    So am I.

    Build your own platform – Summit News, Brave, Gab Dissenter – it is happening before your eyes.

    Don’t turn into a leftie to fight against Google’s out of touch lunacy.

  49. Muddy

    For the 3 zillionth time (exactly – I’ve been counting): NOTHING will change unless we engage in some creative destruction. All strictly legal, of course. As I posted a few days ago, those self-proclaimed strategic masterminds who vow that all we need to do is sit back and ‘let them trip themselves up,’ are utterly deluded. Sun Tzu didn’t proclaim that ‘magic happens’ or ‘let the universe provide. Chillax dude!’ Neither did he advocate that letting your enemies make their own mistakes was a passive, solitary, one-size-fits-all tactic. Change does not just ‘happen.’ It needs to be forced. You have to MAKE change take place. That all begins with attitude. The conservative attitude – with a minute number of exceptions – seems to be that the moral high ground precludes any aggression or even assertion, in the face of threat from an enemy. Dazzled by our own righteousness, we are oblivious to the fact that the moral high ground on which we proudly pose, has been surrounded, and is being progressively undermined by the industrious vermin we gaze down upon. ‘Primitives!’ we sneer, crossing our arms, shaking our head, and closing our eyes. All the while, those ‘primitives’ are building a human pyramid, and before too long, their ‘primitive’ sharpened sticks will be thrust through our flabby flesh from all sides.

    But let’s continue to pretend the threat is not existential.
    Let’s not get our hands dirty, or – heaven forbid! – crack a fingernail.

    Plan, scheme, strategise, undermine; neutralise the enablers first, to weaken the enemy’s ability to withstand the barrages that will follow.

    This is a head-thing.
    Get over the head-thing, and the capacity is present to dominate.

  50. Muddy

    A summary of my post above for those with short attention spans:
    We will not win this by only focusing on how we can get to the finishing line (it’s a metaphor – just stay with it) – we need to reduce our opponent’s ability to compete with us. Whether it’s switching urine samples in the change room, getting in their face with yo-mama insults, or stepping it up and actually smashing a kneecap, there is no such thing as fairness or sportsmanship in this race.
    The meek will be mercilessly crushed. We are being crushed.

    It’s time to whip out those shaved female scrotums.

  51. Cassie of Sydney

    Hear hear Muddy.

  52. Ben

    It’s seemed obvious to me for a while now that if a social media company (or a supermarket or whatever) discriminates against group, then that group will be become the next market for a competitor to chase.

    The problem then becomes platforms catering to various groups. America already has Fox vs ‘the rest’.

  53. Tezza

    Well, here is the most idiotic, unsubstantiated and implausible claim I’ve read today:
    “Conservatives aren’t generally built with the ability to create original and interesting media content. Their brains don’t work that way.”

  54. JB of Sydney/Shanghai

    I am glad you are back, Arky. The Cat was becoming somewhat boring without you.

    It had started to sound like the AGM of the Cat Protection Society, after the cask white had been finished.

    Be great if Armadillo also gets back in the ring.

  55. Publius

    I think this Arky person has blown more than a valve. I think the head gasket is a goner.
    For some real world perspective, here is the co-founder of Facebook (clearly a MAGA hat wearing knuckle dragger) who says that Faceborg MUST be broken up for plenty of very good reasons, all of which have nothing to do with being conservative, or whingeing or whatever else.
    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/07/facebook-cofounder-lobbies-hard-to-break-up-company-he-helped-create/
    If these are good reasons (and I think they are), then why are reasons of unequal play not good enough for a debate about changing the status quo?

  56. bespoke

    Arky just frustrated like must of us that’s all. Some big names have talked about starting there own platform but my gut tells me it will be only for the chosen few. The only long term solution is consumer education to force change in how MSM operates.

  57. bespoke

    JB of Sydney/Shanghai

    I suspect Arky chased Armadillo down.

  58. Iampeter

    Conservatives are going to get nowhere good with their unending complaints over big tech and the internal policing of content.

    In fact, they may just be opening the door for future progressive governments to start monitoring and controlling online content.

    That’s a quaint way of describing the situation wherein conservatives are openly attacking property rights and free speech like a bunch of censorious leftists, while accusing those exercising their free speech and property rights of censorship.

    Worse still, it’s boring. What proportion of conservative content on social media is now about the censorship of conservative content on social media? Enough!

    When you’re this politically illiterate, politics does become “boring,” I suppose.

    The antidote to big tech censorship is entrepreneurship.

    Big tech is not censoring anybody.
    Until you’ve figured out the basics on a topic it’s probably not wise to blog about it.
    In any case, the issue is that today’s conservatives are politically illiterate leftists.
    The antidote to this shameful state of affairs has nothing to do with creating your own companies.

    You guys are truly lost.

  59. mh

    Iampeter, by your own definition Big Tech are socialists, or have you conveniently forgotten that? Operation Dragonfly?

    You must be a Communist.

  60. Cassie of Sydney

    “mh
    #3118649, posted on July 30, 2019 at 7:48 am
    Iampeter, by your own definition Big Tech are socialists, or have you conveniently forgotten that? Operation Dragonfly?

    You must be a Communist.”

    mh…I wouldn’t credit him with being anything……he doesn’t know if he is Arthur or Martha…..he is truly lost.

  61. You must be a Communist.

    No, just the village idiot.

  62. Eyrie

    FFS, it isn’t hard. Alinsky rule 4″make them live up to their own rules”
    Yes we are in an existential fight for civilisation. No prisoners, no mercy. That’s what the left is doing, time the right realised it and did the same but we have the odd ideologically pure fools who want to impose Alinsky 4 on us and hence tie our hands.

  63. Mater

    Aren’t a lot of these companies listed?
    Why build it when you can buy them? You don’t even need to own them outright, just influence.
    Surely this fits within the ‘Conservative’ skill set?
    This doesn’t just apply to Social Media companies either.

  64. Cassie of Sydney

    “odd ideologically pure fools who want to impose Alinsky 4 on us and hence tie our hands.”

    Even here on this blog Eyrie.

  65. nfw

    Looks as though “Guest Author” is a socialist at heart. Why? His/her/its last line is “Stop whinging and start building explicitly conservative organisations.” Yep, always somebody else has to do it with his/her/its money and if it’s not done then Guest Author can whinge about it being somebody else’s fault. If Guest Author were fair dinkum he/she/it would be starting up an organisation and looking for investors, not whingeing (sic) about the whingeing (sic).

  66. JB of Sydney/Shanghai

    Arky, you may have heard of Wechat?

    Mrs JB of Sydney/Shanghai is usually far more quickly informed of World events by using Wechat, than our local media in Sydney.
    Could be the answer to your problem exists already…the wily Chinese predated Facebook with this. Make lots of money from it, naturally.

  67. JB of Sydney/Shanghai

    Groups
    A little like on WhatsApp or Facebook, on WeChat too it is possible to create and participate in groups of people

    Create a group

    To create a group all you have to do is go to the chat or contact page (the pages are the four sections at the bottom) and choose “new chat”. From here enter the contacts that you want to be part of your group and give the OK.

    Once you’ve created your chat group, you can choose the icon with the two stick figures on the top right, where you can modify a few chat settings, such as the name of the group for example.

  68. sam

    Many here mentioned Gab so I checked online,this summary is from Wikipedia.
    Gab is an English-language social media website known for its far-right user base. The site has been widely described as a “safe haven” for extremists including neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and the alt-right. The site was launched in 2017 and claimed to have around 850,000 registered user accounts by December 2018. It primarily attracts far-right and alt-right users who have been banned from other social networks. The platform populace is mainly populated by users who are “conservative, male,
    Is this a fair summary? or could Wikipedia be a wee bit biased?

  69. Ellen of Tasmania

    Folk have already pointed out the many alternatives to Facebook etc. that are already up and running. You can also support individuals who are setting up their own channels. And, like Vox Day, you can fight back (eg. his Indigogo battle).

    The only other thing I’d like to mention is the idea of government & private companies as seperate entities that have differing goals. So – imagine there’s a group of people behind both, manipulating or using both, to their own ends, whatever they many be. We don’t know what happens in those meetings of government officials, mega-rich, and big company owners when they get together. What do they discuss? What do they plan? What are their goals/dreams/ambitions?

    Well, we can take a guess. As Roger pointed out, when Chad Robichaux’s ads were taken off Youtube, they told him the offensive word was ‘Christian’. When he changed the word to ‘Muslim’ and submitted again, Youtube were happy with it.

    I suggest we’re thinking in wrong categories.

  70. Tel

    The Zero Interest Rate guy is back!

    Hey I need more information about why Yellen refused to raise rates. Please elaborate …

  71. W Hogg

    Nope. Regulating to prevent censorship and discrimination, enforcing 1st amendment rights is not opening the door to regulation that requires censorship and rewards discrimination.

    A basic tenet of a free society is that you cannot discriminate in commerce because of prohibited grounds. We don’t want Woolies denying food and EnergyAustralia cutting off the power because they don’t like poofters or LNP voters. We don’t want Dr Mohamed, Dr Muhammad or Dr Mohammad at my local medical centre saying “begone kufr, we only treat people who keep halal here.”

    If I don’t agree with Joyce Allan, I shouldn’t have to start my own airline to be flown to Perth.

  72. Kurt

    If it ain’t illegal it ought to be illegal to censor it. Pretty simple.

  73. Herodotus

    Conservative organisations are absolutely hated, as evidenced by the attacks on the IPA and the continual trolling here.

  74. Leo G

    What do we want?
    Progressive Conservatism!
    When do we want it?
    Maybe when we solve how do same while preserving benefits of existing conditions and institutions, restoring traditional ones, and generally limiting unnecessary change.

  75. Kneel

    “I have long thought that we should play them at their own game.”

    I have and will continue to ask for a Caucasian police officer as and when I need to deal with them.
    You get a funny look, but they do it.
    Should I need to interact with ANY govt dept, I will do the same.
    This is perfectly legal and acceptable – after all, I could ask for an Aboriginal one were I Aboriginal etc etc.

    Also, anyone who calls me “whitey” or “old white guy” or “christain” gets slagged with a “racist” tag and a demand for an immediate apology.

    Don’t just sit there and cop it – give it back as good as you get.
    Be the victim – it’s all the left understands.

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