Open Forum: August 3, 2019

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  1. Some History

    Dayton has wonderful LGBTQ resources:

    https://www.daytonohio.gov/169/LGBTQ-Resources

    PRO-gay, ANTI-smoking.

  2. Leigh Lowe

    I see that Bendigo suicide woman was playing Nick Cave “tunes”.
    Enough to make anyone call for the big blue injection.

  3. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘WTF is close-in work’

    Spastic herder.

    I’ve told you and many others. I’m an open book, as some dickhead on here used to say.

    I supplant my normal meagre income selling hot dogs with being a millionaire secret agent astronaut. Just like on my Tinder profile. I know all about this stuff.

    Now go away. There’s a discredited source of yours from 2012 somewhere you haven’t reposted yet. Probably hiding under your diversity quilt.

  4. Chris

    Bruce in WA – Journalists today are university trained.

    Bruce will be amused at this, I think.

  5. stackja

    Chris – University journalists teaching journalists?

  6. Top Ender

    I had one of Knuckles’ hot dogs the other day.

    Great with Hot English Mustard.

  7. Knuckle Dragger

    And on the subject of moidas;

    Excellent work by the Ohio coppers. Local no-mates muppet starts letting zingers go, and manages to kill nine people in less than a minute before being permanently ventilated by patrolling police who happened to be round the corner.

    Nine down is suboptimal, sure. But less than a minute from start to removal of offender’s head isn’t really a bad result, given the crook was apparently loaded for bear. God knows what the count would have been if the boys were away stocking up on Krispy Kremes.

  8. feelthebern

    I had one of Knuckles’ hot dogs the other day.

    Come on.
    Phrasing.

  9. Infidel Tiger

    KD, do you run the sportsbet social media feed?

    Genuinely piss funny.

    It is the only decent comedy produced in Australia in the last decade or two.

  10. feelthebern

    It reminds me of Fast Forward/Full Frontal.
    Outstanding skit comedy.
    & then loads of memes.

  11. Tom

    Queenland: beautiful one day, purrfick the next.

    Victoria: home of the Big Blue Dream.

  12. Leigh Lowe

    The surge of publicity for suicide01.
    Do we have a disappointingly low uptake of the offer?

  13. Mass shootings bring out the worst in you lot. Not a single good faith argument from any of you in the face of a white supremacist terrorist Trumpkin slaughtering babies. The veil lifts at times like these, and evil surfaces.

  14. feelthebern

    Hi monty.
    Tell me what happened with that Mueller chap?
    I’ve been out of the loop on that for a bit.

  15. Leigh Lowe

    What did you think of Pieman’s first 100 days as PM, mUnter,

  16. woolfe

    Monty I see Trump is still President, any day now, any day.

  17. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘She lay in bed, surrounded by her energy crystals’

    I reckon you could use those things to power cars or something.

    Oh.

    Too soon?

  18. Some History

    It reminds me of Fast Forward/Full Frontal.
    Outstanding skit comedy.
    & then loads of memes.

    Fast Forward – SBS Woman (Season 3, 1991, Episode 3)

  19. stackja

    Any way, HRC ‘won’. BS ‘won’. Russia ‘proven’.

  20. Eyrie

    “But less than a minute from start to removal of offender’s head isn’t really a bad result, given the crook was apparently loaded for bear.”

    Yep, when seconds counted they were only a minute away.

  21. feelthebern

    How long was the monty hibernation?

  22. feelthebern

    Fast Forward would not be made today.

  23. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Nine down is suboptimal, sure. But less than a minute from start to removal of offender’s head isn’t really a bad result, given the crook was apparently loaded for bear

    Three cops with pistols against “crook loaded for bear.”

  24. Infidel Tiger

    Mass shootings bring out the worst in you lot. Not a single good faith argument from any of you in the face of a white supremacist terrorist Trumpkin slaughtering babies. The veil lifts at times like these, and evil surfaces.

    We don’t need to denounce something we have never supported.

    You OTOH openly support Antifa.

    Please be better.

  25. feelthebern

    Peter Moon is one of the greatest Australian comics.

  26. notafan

    Not a single good faith argument from any of you in the face of a white supremacist terrorist Trumpkin slaughtering babies. T

    so says the abortion lover,

  27. mh

    Monty, the Cat has moved on. We have other trolls now.

  28. Knuckle Dragger

    An unnerving similarity just occurred to me while looking at the latest refutation of the stackhat-wearing spastic herder’s latest Qik-Eze – laden burp.

    It’s like changing the batteries on your TV remote.

    When you point and click and the teev doesn’t come on, you press the button five or six more times and think ‘Shit. Didn’t I do this just the other day?’

    Followed by several minutes’ worth of scrabbling in the third drawer down in the kitchen with muted swearing along the lines of ‘I bought the fucking things the other day. Or did I? Yes, I’m sure I did. Fucking tiny things hiding under ladles and tea towels, fuck fuck….. Ah.’

    Old batteries out. New ones in. Click cover closed. Old one in the bin. Click. Working teev.

    Annoying, but a minor necessary irritant to return the world to its natural state of affairs.

  29. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Ian
    20 minutes ago

    Dr Yunupingu’

    haz an honorary doctorate. The honorific is not used unless he really has the education and papers. Of course, it does read better in the story.

    Somebody got through..

  30. notafan

    Where are the catallaxy flowers, candles and ‘thoughts’

    if we had had posted such meaningless comments monty would have castigated that as well.

    I think the point being made is that the demoncrats concreted the society divide and the MSM have made mass shooting fashionable

    reaping what they sowed

  31. Infidel Tiger

    Rep. Chip Roy

    Verified account

    @RepChipRoy

    There is a sickness that is engulfing our nation. It is evil. And that evil is manifesting itself increasingly in the form of mass carnage, perpetrated by cowards who have no honor.

    Very true.

  32. Leigh Lowe

    Speaking of people going down in a fusilade of shots …

    feelthebern

    #3123775, posted on August 5, 2019 at 11:29 am

    Hi monty.
    Tell me what happened with that Mueller chap?
    I’ve been out of the loop on that for a bit.
    .
    Leigh Lowe

    #3123776, posted on August 5, 2019 at 11:29 am

    What did you think of Pieman’s first 100 days as PM, mUnter,
    .
    woolfe

    #3123777, posted on August 5, 2019 at 11:30 am

    Monty I see Trump is still President, any day now, any day.

  33. stackja

    Dayton killer, a mental case unsupervised.

  34. notafan

    ‘I think this is less of a hate crime and more of an “I hate everybody” crime.

  35. feelthebern

    monty popped his fat head up over the top of the trench & boom !!

  36. Bruce of Newcastle

    Mass shootings bring out the worst in you lot. Not a single good faith argument from any of you in the face of a white supremacist terrorist Trumpkin slaughtering babies.

    Hi M0nty, are you referring to the environmental terrorist or the Elizabeth Warren backing terrorist?

    2nd Mass Shooter Supported Elizabeth Warren, Socialism, Gun Control

    The media jumped on the narrative of Patrick Crusius, the first mass shooter in El Paso, Texas, for being an anti-immigration environmentalist. (It was much more interested in the first part of that than the second part of it.)

    It’s paying much less attention to Connor Betts. An Elizabeth Warren supporter.

  37. stackja

    IT – Non-believers believe anything. Death culture follows.

  38. feelthebern

    There will never be gun “reform” in the US.
    Because it’s too closely linked to voter fraud.

  39. Chris

    Mass shootings bring out the worst in you lot. Not a single good faith argument from any of you in the face of a white supremacist terrorist Trumpkin slaughtering babies. The veil lifts at times like these, and evil surfaces.

    Just look what you reveal there, monts. Not about us – about yourself.

    And modern, leftist values do not ascribe moral blame for crime to the criminals, but to ideological enemies and perhaps ‘society’. That is why we have increasing mass shootings; the perpetrators, left-wing activists and media profit together.

  40. feelthebern

    This post is in all seriousness.
    Once fb/google/twtr/nsa identify one of these chaps who are about to go loco, the government should then deploy a government funded honey-pot.
    All these losers are sex deprived loners.
    The honey-pot would then engage with adult relations with the chap.
    They’d use that as an opportunity to get first hand intel on any weapons stash.
    The loser would forget about any rampage as they’d have gotten one away.
    If they have a stash of illegal guns, the authorities could swoop.
    It’s time to think outside the box.

  41. feelthebern

    Domestic terrorism is by far the biggest risk to the US.
    It always has been.

  42. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘think outside the box’

    In a walk-up start….

    PHRASING.

  43. Bruce of Newcastle

    Domestic terrorism is by far the biggest risk to the US.
    It always has been.

    Yes. Hopefully Trump will do the right thing and ban Antifa as a terrorist organisation.

  44. DrBeauGan

    Give us another month or two, m0nty, and we might have forgotten your record of total wrongology.

  45. ZK2A:

    Dr Yunupingu’

    haz an honorary doctorate. The honorific is not used unless he really has the education and papers. Of course, it does read better in the story.

    The whole thing is about a journo who desperately wants to polish the good doctors knob and getting the virtue signalling rewards from his fellow journos, but without being seen to do so.

  46. feelthebern

    Someone tell me a more productive way to potentially stop these rampages.

  47. feelthebern

    I can’t speak for all Cats, but apart from basking in my own awesomeness, I couldn’t really give a shit about anything post climax.
    Maybe a cigarello, but that’s about it.
    The last thing you’d be thinking of is a gun rampage.

  48. Mother Lode

    In summary, I cannot find an upside to the NBN.

    We should all remember that this was all prompted by Rudd’s desire to look like a visionary for a few weeks in the newspapers. No one was asking for it. The unions were of course happy to have something to rort but Rudd, unlike his successor and predecessor the Y Ddraig Goch (The Red Dragon of Wales), was propelled entirely by phantasms of destiny.

    This grand but pointless idea to win him popularity points which we are still paying for in more way than one, both in terms of paying for what it is, and every possibility that was in consequence denied us.

    Little Rat F*cker.

  49. Maybe Monty has a point.
    On his head.

  50. OK. That was just to help out with the stats.

    OTOH, I wonder if there is a connection between the constant social denigration of males and the mass shooters?
    The “All Men Are Bastards” meme may be coming back to haunt us.
    (I probably haven’t explained that very well, but … Discuss.)

  51. Roger

    German hypermarket chain Kaufland, founded in the ’80s, is opening stores in Australia.

    Local retail analysts are puzzled by the move, since Kaufland has previously only expanded into former Soviet bloc countries. They are very popular in Romania, for example.

    Say, given their experience so far, maybe they fancy their chances of success in a Uniparty socialist state with a market dominated by Colesworths?

  52. Farmer Gez

    I’m sitting in the sun moving a mob of sheep, just me and the dog.
    These pathetic young men who kill might have benefitted from life away from the screen and drug addled dog box living in suburbs.

    It’s only in the last 150 years that people primarily started to live this way. It doesn’t surprise me that psychosis develops amongst young men.
    We look with pity at the tiger pacing the cage in the zoo but never recognise the same hopeless frustration in our young men.

    Anyway that’s my take on the shootings. The politics and guns don’t explain the acts fully enough for me.

  53. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Farmer Gez
    #3123821, posted on August 5, 2019 at 12:27 pm

    +100 Farmer Gez.

  54. 1735099

    The veil lifts at times like these, and evil surfaces.

    Can’t agree, Monty.
    The “evil” is always visible here.
    Mass shootings simply put it in perspective.
    Everything evil is blamed on the “Left” – whatever that is.
    Any residual logic and reason (and there are buggerall traces of that) immediately disappear.

  55. struth

    Mass shootings bring out the worst in you lot. Not a single good faith argument from any of you in the face of a white supremacist terrorist Trumpkin slaughtering babies. The veil lifts at times like these, and evil surfaces

    Virtue signalling while denying the real cause of these atrocities, and indeed supporting them by supporting cultural marxist leftism shows again the true hypocrisy and evil of the left.
    He’s not just thick, he’s evil.

  56. Knuckle Dragger

    Gez,

    Like it. May be closer to the truth than a lot would like to think.

  57. Mother Lode

    “A new human life begins at the precise moment a live sperm penetrates a live ovum.”

    A chance at a human life actually. Lots of hurdles from there to a viable foetus and quite a few fail.
    Which isn’t an argument for or against abortion.

    Hi Eyrie,

    All true.

    The point I wished to make was that such statements are premises so that, if the person you are dealing with does not recognise or acknowledge, the whole argument falls.

    The pro- and anti- abortion groups origins are their opposition to each other, and what they think they are getting right (and the other guys wrong) is given away by how they describe themselves. Pro-life and Pro-choice.

    They don’t talk about the same thing – so the verbal argument goes on as intractable as ever.

  58. struth

    Everything evil is blamed on the “Left” – whatever that is.

    Look in your shaving mirror.

  59. A Lurker

    Everything evil is blamed on the “Left” – whatever that is.

    When moral guidance and ethical principles are absent leaving an individual adrift in a sea of ‘if it feels right, just do it’, then it is very easy for that individual to be influenced by evil people pushing an evil ideology.

  60. 1735099

    Virtue signalling while denying the real cause of these atrocities,

    Trump “virtue signalling” –

    “Terrible shootings in ElPaso, Texas. Reports are very bad, many killed. Working with State and Local authorities, and Law Enforcement. Spoke to Governor to pledge total support of Federal Government. God be with you all!”

    The real cause of these atrocities is statements such as these (one of many) from the US President –

    Many Gang Members and some very bad people are mixed into the Caravan heading to our Southern Border. Please go back, you will not be admitted into the United States unless you go through the legal process. This is an invasion of our Country and our Military is waiting for you!

  61. notafan

    When moral guidance and ethical principles are absent leaving an individual adrift in a sea of ‘if it feels right, just do it’, then it is very easy for that individual to be influenced by evil people pushing an evil ideology

    You mean like
    love is love?.

  62. dover_beach

    Just look what you reveal there, monts. Not about us – about yourself.

    Indeed.

  63. Infidel Tiger

    I would be very wary of any socially isolated white boy with a deep interest in computer games who suddenly buys guns.

  64. C.L.

    Terrorism …
    Democrats have killed 25,000 babies since 2015:
    The Guardian shrugs it off as “rare.”
    The truth about late-term abortions in the US: they’re very rare.

  65. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger

    #3123833, posted on August 5, 2019 at 12:44 pm

    I would be very wary of any socially isolated white boy with a deep interest in computer games who suddenly buys guns.

    Does mUnter have a firearm?

  66. Rafe Champion

    Toby Young writes a column in The Spectator and this is his case for an organization to protect free speech with a new organization along the lines of the defunct PEN group that was set up to support Soviet dissidents.

    What I have in mind is a British Solidarnosc (although it won’t be called that, obviously), a membership organization for people who earn a living through writing or performing, primarily for the purpose of expressing ideas. (A bit like PEN before it was captured by the ‘woke’ Left.) So membership will be open to academics, intellectuals, columnists, pundits, novelists, poets, playwrights, screenwriters, songwriters, comedians, and so on—“writers of any stripe,” in Ferguson’s phrase. And not just those who’ve achieved some professional standing in those fields, but those with ambitions to do so—students as well as practitioners, even older schoolchildren. After all, it’s on university campuses and in high schools that so much contemporary censorship takes place.

    If a member is targeted for defenestration by an outrage mob, it will be the union that comes to their defense—the organization, not the other members.

  67. dover_beach

    The point I wished to make was that such statements are premises so that, if the person you are dealing with does not recognise or acknowledge, the whole argument falls.

    It also means that that is where the argument must be had to begin with, before you move on to the further question.

  68. Top Ender

    Rudd, unlike his successor and predecessor the Y Ddraig Goch (The Red Dragon of Wales), was propelled entirely by phantasms of destiny.

    One wonders if these two see themselves as having been successes or failures as PMs.

    They don’t seem to be spending a lot of time pursued by adoring crowds these days.

    Rudd especially might have a sneaking suspicion he’s viewed as Oz’s worst PM by many.

  69. Des Deskperson

    “….haz an honorary doctorate. The honorific is not used unless he really has the education and papers. Of course, it does read better in the story./’

    Whenever this issue arises. I feel a bit sorry for poor old ex-Senator, the late Mal Coulson, who in the nineties was very much in the media .

    Dr Coulson had a genuine PHD – one he had earned – in educational psychology.

    But Dr Coulson was fat, white, unattractive and, worst of all, he’d ratted on Labor. I can’t remember any journo paying respect to him for title he’d actually worked hard for.

  70. struth

    Supporting division with identity politics and all that it destroys ……….the left.
    The education system owned and controlled by the left.
    Climate change nonsense, big government regulation, on business and private lives, ……………the left.
    Supporting dumb economic policy based on destruction of the west……………..the left.
    Supporting pure lies like the one about there being more than two sexes, as it aids the destruction of our culture in doing so….the left.

    Banning everything from plastic straws to vaping, the minds of the totalitarian left.

    Etc etc.
    Take some responsibility for destroying the west, fun and wealth, moral values, decency and the best culture the world has ever seen, (the rest of the world are either envious, or trying to get there fom their left wing shitholes) and own these shootings that, prior to the left’s destruction of society, primarily but not only, via the education system, saw none of these things happen DESPITE the fact America was even more heavily armed.

  71. feelthebern

    Tulsi is back up live streaming.
    That is until twitter & fb block her again.

  72. 1735099

    Supporting division with identity politics and all that it destroys ……….the left.
    The education system owned and controlled by the left.
    Climate change nonsense, big government regulation, on business and private lives, ……………the left.
    Supporting dumb economic policy based on destruction of the west……………..the left.
    Supporting pure lies like the one about there being more than two sexes, as it aids the destruction of our culture in doing so….the left.

    Explain how “identity politics”, the “education system”, “climate change nonsense”, “government regulation”, and “dumb economic policy” make a 21-year-old Texan buy an AK-47, kit himself up with ear protection, and slaughter families stocking up on school supplies in a shopping centre.

    Go……

  73. struth

    The real cause of these atrocities is statements such as these (one of many) from the US President –

    Many Gang Members and some very bad people are mixed into the Caravan heading to our Southern Border. Please go back, you will not be admitted into the United States unless you go through the legal process. This is an invasion of our Country and our Military is waiting for you!

    Those many bad people were killing people…………………………………..
    BUT

    Trump pulled the trigger…………………….
    You’re a sick fella.
    Identity politics and left wing cultural marxism, is actually the cause behind all these deaths.

    Own it.

  74. vr

    JC — What is your take on the currency markets?

  75. Knuckle Dragger

    Sister Misery Guts is on the other thread pontificating on Josiah Folau and synagogues of Satan.

    Smoke ’em if ya got ’em.

  76. Bruce in WA

    Mass shootings bring out the worst in you lot. Not a single good faith argument from any of you in the face of a white supremacist terrorist Trumpkin slaughtering babies.

    You see a need to state the bleeding obvious, Monty. I can’t imagine anyone — no matter what their political stance — who doesn’t find this abhorrent. Perhaps I should have been more vocal, but I simply took this as a given.

  77. notafan

    who is

    Sister Misery Guts

  78. areff

    Greetings, Monty, you miserable regurgitator of lesser fools’ dreck

  79. struth

    Explain how “identity politics”, the “education system”, “climate change nonsense”, “government regulation”, and “dumb economic policy” make a 21-year-old Texan buy an AK-47, kit himself up with ear protection, and slaughter families stocking up on school supplies in a shopping centre.

    Too easy.

    The education system captured by the left, has been telling white western boys and young men they are bad and their tribe (the west and chistianity) are bad and they owe a debt for their apparent “privilege” that socialists like you believe was ill gotten.
    They’ve been divided away by identity politics and told their very chemical make up is inherently evil.
    They are suiciding in large numbers, numbers.

    Left wing feminism , a part of cultural marxism, and white guilt, also part of cultural Marxism, are an insane attack on ou culture and young men.
    And if you don’t think this has a vey detrimental effect on our young males, you’re just an outright liar , as we know you to be.
    So explain why this sort of thing didn’t happen in a heavily armed and less gun regulated USA when cultural Marxism wasn’t prevalent.

    Go.

  80. Dr Faustus

    Netherlands, 2002:

    Before the vote, Els Borst, the Health Minister, reassured legislators the bill could not be abused by doctors because of careful supervisory provisions.

    “There are sufficient measures to eliminate those concerns,” Borst told the senators. Euthanasia, she said, will remain a last resort for those who have no other choice but endless suffering.

    Victoria, 2017:

    Patients are required to meet strict criteria to be eligible, including having a terminal illness with no more than six months left to live, or 12 months if the patient has a degenerative neurological condition.

    To be approved, patients must have two doctors sign off on their application and make three requests.

    NSW, 2019:

    Legal experts have slammed claims by NSW Finance Minister Damien Tudehope that a bill to decriminalise pregnancy terminations in the state would lead to “unrestricted” abortions until birth, saying the claim is “totally false” and the proposed law would introduce new medical safeguards.

    The precedents for the public value of life are slipping into place and there will always be convenient Nitschke’s It will be very surprising indeed if it takes a whole 17 years for puzzled, elderly Australians to be routinely shunted off into another room for the Green Dream because inconvenient, or expensive, or smelly.

    You want your Grandma? You can keep your Grandma.

  81. Infidel Tiger

    China is blowing up in real time.

    Trump is telling them to bend the knee and the stupid pricks are too stubborn to do it.

  82. Tom

    Explain how “identity politics”, the “education system”, “climate change nonsense”, “government regulation”, and “dumb economic policy” make a 21-year-old Texan buy an AK-47, kit himself up with ear protection, and slaughter families stocking up on school supplies in a shopping centre.

    Struth beat me to it. All I was going to add is you need a functioning intellect to understand that the death cult you support like a zombie is destroying our society. You don’t have a functioning intellect. You are as dumb as dogshit.

    No point in arguing with dumb animals.

  83. Fisky

    This is the beginning of the end for Beijing. They are getting absolutely crushed by Trump. Also a disaster for Joe Biden, whose son is up to his neck in hock to Beijing. It is time to finish them off!

  84. struth

    Explain how “identity politics”, the “education system”, “climate change nonsense”, “government regulation”, and “dumb economic policy” make a 21-year-old Texan buy an AK-47, kit himself up with ear protection, and slaughter families stocking up on school supplies in a shopping centre.

    Sorry, I just addressed cultural marxism and you want the other left wing effects explained.
    OK.
    Too much regulation and dumb economic policies from socialist brain farts kills employment opportunities and therefore ambition and dreams, and the climate change nonsense, that has caused untold damage to mostly the fearful minds of young girls, tells young people the world is about to end.
    Apparently, again, all caused by the west.
    What sort of responses do you think that might bring on?

    And all to steal wealth from the west, again.

    Evil and pathetic.

    What does Nazi stand for, Sniffy?

  85. Mother Lode

    Not quite sure why, but I am suddenly curious:

    Who is the President again?

    When is he going to prison?

  86. Fisky

    Beijing going down will also be a colossal blow to global progressivism. Nearly every liberal think tank in the US is being subsidised by Beijing. They will be permanently discredited and ruined! Wait and see!

  87. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘make a 21-year-old Texan buy an AK-47, kit himself up with ear protection’

    No-one ‘made’ a 21 year old Texan do anything. By any proper analysis, except perhaps a mental age assessment he is an adult. Perhaps not for long, but at this moment – certainly. And as an adult he can make his own decisions.

    The consequences of those decisions, such as an extreme likelihood of being sodomised with a prison mop handle until its end protrudes out his mouth and he dies in agony while people try to remove it, seems to have escaped him.

    He probably should have a thought a step or two ahead than he did, judging by his showing up with eye and ear protection thus indicating an intent to come out of the whole thing alive.

    In these circumstances – and I really believe this – when a punter decides to start mowing down happy shoppers of whatever ethnicity, religion, hair colour (except rangas, obviously) etc etc and then turns around empty-handed and says ‘I surrender’, it should be open for the cop/s to say ‘too late xunt’ and kill him where he stands.

    Got nothing to do with capitalism, socialism or any other ism.

    Very few people today ascribe to the doctrine of personal responsibility. And for that, the world is a worse place.

  88. Fisky

    Trump is telling them to bend the knee and the stupid pricks are too stubborn to do it.

    They must accept that they have been defeated and surrender at once! From now on, Morrison should INSIST that Beijing’s ambassador tap his head three times on the carpet before receiving an audience. That’s the diplomatic protocol moving forward!

  89. Infidel Tiger

    When the China Ponzi collapses it will be very interesting watching the peasantry taking their revenge.

    Majority of Chinks still subsist on less than $200 per month.

    Starvation and envy do not happiness make, or so my fortune cookie said.

  90. Fisky

    Fools like the perpetually idiotic Strobe Talbot are suffering the indignity of being completely wrong on the two most important geopolitical issues since WWII. God hates liberals.

    Be Water Balding

    @BaldingsWorld
    ·
    10h

    The reason East Coast Twitter debating Trump Tweet on China rather than the real problem is them they have to admit Trump is fundamentally right about the threat China poses. That over turns their entire premise that China is not an enemy and we move to debating the best methods

  91. struth

    Very few people today ascribe to the doctrine of personal responsibility. And for that, the world is a worse place.

    That’s leftism’s legacy.
    One of the right’s core beliefs is personal responsibility.

  92. Fisky

    Gray Connolly

    @GrayConnolly
    ·
    27s

    Replying to
    @GrayConnolly
    For all of the American brokens go on here, hyperventilating about Trump and what have you, the US is a very old country, constitutionally, and it chuggs along regardless of who is in power. Putin + Xi live in fear of losing power & losing their people-why this is dangerous

  93. Old School Conservative

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3123733, posted on August 5, 2019 at 10:43 am
    But which Howard was this? John Howard? Pat Howard, ex HP coach at CA? Howard the Duck?

    I’d never quote anything from that charlatan Pat Howard, who has destroyed too many rugby and cricket players’ ability.
    Enjoyed following his playing career, but it has been all downhill for players under his “rotation policy” guidance since then.

  94. Fisky

    It is simply embarrassing that all mainstream economists think that China is not paying any costs from the trade war, only US consumers!

    Hand back your degrees, you stupid autists. Get laid.

    Gordon G. Chang

    @GordonGChang
    ·
    14h

    Lobbyists say #Trump’s tariffs will be paid by US consumers. Yes, but they will pay only a little and only for a half year or so. Beijing is absorbing costs by depreciating the yuan, Chinese factories and US retailers will reduce margins, and factories will move out of #China.

  95. Infidel Tiger

    I knew China was finished when schools in Australia switched to Mandarin programs.

    They switched to Japanese in the late 80’s just as Japan stagnated.

    We must also heavily punish any organisation or person who has encouraged us to adopt “the Chinese way of doing business”. We have zero to learn from the Oriental in business except what to avoid.

  96. notafan

    Doesn’t a ‘doctrine of personal responsibility’ require some sort of objective standard of morality?

    Personal responsibility or Individual Responsibility is the idea that human beings choose, instigate, or otherwise cause their own actions. A corollary idea is that because we cause our actions, we can be held morally accountable or legally liable. Personal responsibility can be contrasted to the idea that human actions are caused by conditions beyond the agent’s control. Since the late 19th-century, personal responsibility has become increasingly associated with political conservatism and libertarianism. More recently, personal responsibility has been associated with the reform of social welfare programs (e.g. in the Personal Responsibility and Welfare Reform Act of 1996). The earliest known English use of the phrase is by Massachusetts Rep. Nathaniel Gorham at the U.S. Constitutional Convention on July 18, 1787.

    personal responsibilty

  97. struth

    What’s going on with the “trade war”?
    I’ve been out bush working.

  98. Dr Faustus

    Don’t be too thrilled about the prospect of the Chinese economy being edged off the track.

    After Emperor Xi and 250,000 of his closest friends end up with their heads on sticks, it will be the PLA that assumes control. The PLA is neither woke, nor nuanced – nor necessarily that rational.

  99. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Union pushing ‘indigenous voice’ for workplace agreements
    CFMEU national construction secretary Dave Noonan … “CFMEU is proud to stand with First Nations people in their struggle for social, economic and cultural justice”.
    Picture: Kelly Barnes

    Exclusive
    By Geoff Chambers
    12:00AM August 5, 2019
    23 Comments

    The construction union is pressuring employers to hold “welcome to country” ceremonies, commit to the principles of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander “self-determination” and provide “cultural awareness training” as part of site induction procedures.

    The Construction Forestry Maritime Mining and Energy Union has inserted a “First Nat­ions People” clause in an enterprise bargaining agreement lodged with the Fair Work Commission last month.

    The agreement, with subcontractor Gabba Waterproofing, says the company must recognise the traditional ownership of the Bindal and Wulgurukaba people in the Townsville area, as part of the $290 million North Queensland Stadium project.

    FWC documents, obtained by the Menzies Research Centre, shows the company will be required to arrange a “welcome to country” ceremony when the “number of workers on the project reaches 20”. It also states the company must “maximise opportunities to provide employment and training to the local ATSI com­munity” and provide “access to annual leave for participation in cultural and ceremonial ­activities”.

    The CFMEU, which has previously pledged support for “First Nations voice to parliament”, last year set up First Nat­ions peoples committees to “drive campaigning efforts and the development and implementation of indigenous policy across the union”.

    Menzies Research director Nick Cater said the demands of the CFMEU “stink of hypocrisy”.

    “They have nothing to do with Aboriginal land rights and everything to do with union turf wars. The same CFMEU officials who insist that employers respect the traditional owners of the land regularly flaunt the right of entry laws governing construction sites,” he said.

    “They show no respect for the rights of sub-contractors to employ who they wish or the rights of workers to choose whether they want to join a union.”

    From the Oz. You couldn’t make this shit up, could you?

  100. Infidel Tiger

    It is simply embarrassing that all mainstream economists think that China is not paying any costs from the trade war, only US consumers!

    Hand back your degrees, you stupid autists. Get laid.

    They are running out of cash reserves.

    They will soon run out of food and no one serious will accept any form of payment except King Dollar.

    China must kiss our dicks.

  101. Fisky

    John Kwiggan showed his hand not long ago when he openly wished for Beijing to defeat Trump. Disgraceful!

  102. dover_beach

    But the state’s former Director of Public Prosecutions, Nicholas Cowdery, said it was “totally false” and “alarmist” to suggest the bill allowed unrestricted abortions up until birth.

    “I think it’s part of the opposition propaganda script that they tend to revert to when arguing about all of this,” Mr Cowdery said.

    “It’s designed to evoke an emotional response to the arguments rather than a rational response, and politicians know that.”

    I don’t see him providing a single argument that rationally counters Tudehope’s claim that that the proposed NSW abortion bill effectively legalizes abortion up to before for any reason. And the rest of the article demonstrates that Tudehope’s claim is rationally grounded in the law:

    Doctors may also perform a termination on a woman who is more than 22 weeks pregnant if they have have consulted with a second doctor – a new requirement – and both consider the termination “should be performed”.

    In making this decision, both doctors are legally required to “consider” all relevant medical circumstances, professional standards and guidelines relating to abortions, and the woman’s “current and future physical, psychological and social circumstances”.

    Effectively, then, any reason up to birth.

  103. Fisky

    The Australian

    @australian

    Scott Morrison says co-operation over protecting oil tankers depends on details, as Bob Carr warns against supporting any US-led mission. #auspol

    Why is this traitor still allowed to speak freely?

  104. Cardimona

    How do you do this ‘control-F’ thingo?

    Lizzie, just press-and-hold the “control” key on the bottom-left of most keyboards.
    Then type an “f” – and then release the control key.
    A text box should appear in the upper right of your window.
    Type your keyword into that box and press “enter”.
    It should scroll to the first example of your keyword, and pressing enter again will take you to subsequent examples of it.
    The text box will also display the number of times your keyword appears and your scroll bar over on the extreme right should have little stripes that indicate the relative positions of the keywords on the full page.
    If you then click on the page, such as to copy a comment, the search function is disabled.
    To resume the search, click to the right of your keyword in the search box and press enter again.

  105. Fisky:

    This is the beginning of the end for Beijing. They are getting absolutely crushed by Trump. Also a disaster for Joe Biden, whose son is up to his neck in hock to Beijing. It is time to finish them off!

    What happened?
    I thought I was abreast of all this China stuff, but haven’t seen any different over the last couple of days…

  106. Pete of Perth

    Taxiing out to the runway on a direct flight to Hobart. It’s like a flying Maternity ward in here. Thank goodness for noise cancelling headphones.

  107. Herodotus

    This heading via Twitter is no surprise:
    UN Climate Chief Says Communism Is Best To Fight Global Warming
    However I’m not keen to click through!

  108. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Personal responsibility or Individual Responsibility is the idea that human beings choose, instigate, or otherwise cause their own actions. A corollary idea is that because we cause our actions, we can be held morally accountable or legally liable. Personal responsibility can be contrasted to the idea that human actions are caused by conditions beyond the agent’s control.’

    I have no problem with this.

    Actions have consequences.

    My personal view is that it’s caused more often by letting kids call their parents by their first names instead of Mum and Dad, and their absolvement of any responsibility of anything from not doing their homework to setting the house on fire than it is from reading other people’s Twitter accounts.

  109. dover_beach

    The thing that makes me laugh is that there is an expectation that we are supposed to submit to the opinions of formers jurists like Nicholas Cowdery, as if they are disinterested third-parties in such matters. They are not. And, no, we are not going to intellectually submit.

  110. Fisky

    I thought I was abreast of all this China stuff, but haven’t seen any different over the last couple of days…

    General strike in HK for first time, CNY below 7. They are absolutely fucked. Their choices are:
    -Let HK go free, POC sees PRC is a paper tiger, unrest spreads to TB, XJ etc
    -Send in the PLA, crush HK, POC takes note and edges towards formal independence, mass capital flight out of HK/PRC, etc

    Choices choices!

  111. Fisky

    Sorry that should be ROC not POC.

  112. Pete of Perth

    Cambodian taxi driver not too optimistic about China being crushed at least in SEA. HunSen is doing very well put of his Chinese masters.

  113. struth

    I would add that Christianity, with it’s very core beliefs is the religion that fosters personal responsibility, and hence, freedom.
    You cannot have freedom without it.

  114. Fisky

    Be Water Balding

    @BaldingsWorld

    Cathay Pacific is basically shut down for the day as everyone called in sick. There Hong Kong airport is operating on one runway

  115. struth

    Bob Carr warns against supporting any US-led mission. #auspol

    The choice is therefore, obvious.

  116. notafan

    but what about the morally accountable bit?

    If shooter boy is really really angry and has justified in his own mind his action, ie that they are moral for him,who are we to say he has done something wrong (whatever wrong might mean for us)

  117. Dr Faustus

    Hong Kong on the edge – sphincters twitching all round.
    Game’s over if Carrie Lam drops her bundle and calls out the PLA Garrison to restore order.

  118. max

    Infidel Tiger
    #3123853, posted on August 5, 2019 at 1:18 pm
    China is blowing up in real time.

    Trump is telling them to bend the knee and the stupid pricks are too stubborn to do it.

    Yep. It’s a bit like the 19th Century though this time their delusional sense of their own importance is blended with a vengeful determination to teach everybody else a good lesson.

  119. Leigh Lowe

    dover_beach

    #3123884, posted on August 5, 2019 at 1:43 pm

    The thing that makes me laugh is that there is an expectation that we are supposed to submit to the opinions of formers jurists like Nicholas Cowdery …

    Cowdery always struck me as having a yuuuge Messiah complex.
    As DPP, running or ditching cases based on his “special insights”.
    Fuck the evidence, or lack thereof.

  120. stackja

    notafan – Shooter will probably get death penalty. Actions, consequences.

  121. stackja

    Red China Emperor Xi facing Boxers?

  122. blended with a vengeful determination to teach everybody else a good lesson

    Polish that big red button for me, will you?

  123. Fisky

    zerohedge

    @zerohedge
    ·
    1h

    CHINA SAID TO ASK STATE BUYERS TO HALT U.S. AGRICULTURE IMPORTS

    This is getting worse by the minute

  124. They will soon run out of food and no one serious will accept any form of payment except King Dollar.
    China must kiss our dicks.

    Thank you, IT.
    You found your long lost sense of humour?
    🙂

  125. struth

    Numbers vacates for a while…………………………

    Yoo Hoo, numb nuts, courtesy of answering my questions……………………..

    So, situation normal.
    Pathetic.

  126. Dr Faustus

    The wheels are falling off North Asia, but all is well in Fortress Australia:

    Anthony Albanese says he has seen no evidence of corruption in federal politics

    We’re in good hands…

  127. notafan

    Numbers vacates for a while

    shift over

    clocked out

  128. Knuckle Dragger

    I can’t speak for what’s in shooter boy’s head in terms of morality, nota. Anything I did say would be speculation.

    My earlier commentary is (fairly, in my view) based on his overt actions. He has not taken into account the actual consequences of his actions, regardless of whether he personally thinks they’re morally acceptable or not – which I can’t opine on. Not won’t, can’t – because I haven’t asked him.

    Legally, I am prepared to be held accountable for my actions. If I commit an offence, I will know I’m about to do so and will make a decision based on whether or not I’m good enough to get away with it.

    Morally, not so much. I care very little for what others think of my actions in day to day life. That said, I have my own morality I live by, as I have found that people with no morals are far more dangerous than people with morals different to mine.

    I am generally nice to people unless I have a reason not to be. My default status is polite, unless I have a reason not to be. I care very much for my elderly derg who does her best to kill me by standing directly behind me all the time, and yet given the chance I would happily fill the MCG with a mountain of plover skulls.

    The people I love know that I do. I don’t emotionally hurt people, and while I have physically hurt many to various degrees and extremes (and this is not bragging, just a bit introspective) I have yet to do so to anyone who hasn’t posed a physical threat to myself or others.

    And I really believe that that is enough.

  129. duncanm

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #3123801, posted on August 5, 2019 at 11:50 am
    ..

    Hi M0nty, are you referring to the environmental terrorist or the Elizabeth Warren backing terrorist?

    now now.. If you point that out, we won’t be able to pretend that all mass shootings in the US have been far-right loons

  130. Fisky:

    Scott Morrison says co-operation over protecting oil tankers depends on details, as Bob Carr warns against supporting any US-led mission. #auspol

    These very same incompetents are asking the US to guarantee our oil supplies in an emergency.
    If there is an emergency, I doubt the US will have a spare cruiser or two to convoy a couple of tankers here after that slap from our pathetic rulers.
    Actually, I tried to find out how long it would take a couple of tankers to get here from the US. Anyone know?

  131. Cardimona

    I do not state this as an assertion of a flaw to the argument, merely a flaw to the strategy of the argument.

    Mother Lode, could you please expand on a more-effective strategy?

    But first, let me explain why I wrote that as I did.
    The strategy I’m using in that letter is the written version of a venerated martial arts attack strategy.
    Open with a surprise flying sidekick to the opponent’s chest to knock his wind out.
    Then take a wide ground stance for stability, and deliver a rapid combination of strikes with hands, elbows and knees as openings present.
    My reasoning is that should provoke sufficient defensive response to focus their mind on the full set of words causing the pain being inflicted on their politically-correct wokeparts.

    And I’m considering two different audiences.
    The first readership is in the newsroom.
    Many of my letters don’t get printed, but somewhere a journo has to read them – and if they are woke then I want to trigger cognitive dissonance in them.
    It helps them question things over time.
    Sometimes their personal outrage is such that they’ll print the letter just to stir up a shouty crowd to return fire at me and prove me wrong.
    This I regard as a win.
    Sometimes they get so extreme they swing more readers our way.

    The second audience is the wider readership, some of whom simply won’t have looked at it that way before and will turn it over in the back of their minds, sometimes for years.
    Again, this is a win for me.
    Some will break off reading after that third line (this one)…

    A new human life begins at the precise moment a live sperm penetrates a live ovum.

    … and that’s a miss – but not necessarily a loss.
    I then hope they come back to it later and read to the bottom to see what else I’m wrong about.

    And that’s the mission complete.
    But if there’s a better strategy, one that hasn’t already failed Mr Nice Guy conservatives, I’d love to pinch it and use it.

  132. Mother Lode

    reaping what they sowed

    Grim reaping what they sowed – others are paying with their lives as they look on impassively and deaths’ head grin.

  133. Infidel Tiger

    Emergency meetings in Japan.

    They are worried China is going to implode and bring the house down.

    Australia has backed the wrong horse again!

  134. Black Ball

    My personal view is that it’s caused more often by letting kids call their parents by their first names instead of Mum and Dad,

    Same goes for teachers Knuckle Dragger. If my kids don’t use Mr or Mrs or Miss, they are admonished. Yet teachers insist on being called their Christian name or worse, their nickname. Still call my teachers of old Mr or Mrs.

  135. Well put, Kunkle Dragger.
    + many, many, +’s.

  136. 1735099

    Numbers vacates for a while…

    Been doing a bit of landscaping.
    Great weather for it.
    Some of us have better things to do than making stuff up.

    So explain why this sort of thing didn’t happen in a heavily armed and less gun regulated USA when cultural Marxism wasn’t prevalent.

    Depends when you reckon “cultural Marxism” wasn’t prevalent.
    Suppose we go back 30 years to 1990.
    If you reckon “this sort of thing” refers to firearm homicides, it actually did happen back then, at a higher rate than it does now. Check the graph.
    Sorry, old mate. It has SFA to do with “cultural Marxism”, whatever that is.
    Violence is, and always has been, as American as apple pie.
    And if “cultural Marxism” is the cause, how come gun violence is nowhere near such a problem in western Europe, the UK, and Australia, where we keep hearing here about its “march through the institutions”?

  137. feelthebern

    Outstanding trolling IT.
    China is doing just fine.
    My operatives in Shenzhen, Shanghai & Beijing all confirm.

    I expect some here at the Cat still long for Canton & Peking days.
    This might blow some peoples minds but the Chinese love it when their currency goes down.

  138. feelthebern

    Been doing a bit of landscaping.

    Ewww…TMI.
    You know the shaving/waxing talk has gone too far when numbers even owns up to it.

  139. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    I thought I was abreast of all this China stuff, but haven’t seen any different over the last couple of days…

    Don’t sweat it, Winston.

    Folks here have been predicting the imminent demise of China for the six+ years I’ve been reading.
    File it away with holes in the ozone layer and Peak Oil.

  140. feelthebern

    The AUD dropping like this is the only thing making this god forsaken country competitive.
    With the 90BBSW at 1.01 & 180BBSW at 1.045, it tells us official rates aint going lower, but there will be a hot dose of QE being applied.

  141. Fisky

    The greatest strategic mistake since WWII was allowing the PRC to join WTO. This calamitous decision probably led directly to the GFC (as Bush had to stoke the housing boom to make up for the shortfall caused by the loss of millions of manufacturing jobs), while unleashing the PRC’s totalitarian model on the entire world.

    https://qz.com/1269172/the-epic-mistake-about-manufacturing-thats-cost-americans-millions-of-jobs/

    Between 2000 and 2010, manufacturing employment plummeted by a third. Nearly 6 million American factory workers lost their jobs. The drop was unprecedented—worse than any decade in US manufacturing history. Even during the Great Depression, factory jobs shrunk by only 31%, according to a Information Technology & Innovation Foundation report. Though the sector recovered slightly since then, America’s manufacturing workforce is still more than 26% smaller than it was in 2000.

  142. feelthebern

    Chinese think in terms of dynasties.
    Russians think in term of empires.
    Americans (& all western democracies) think in terms of twitter storms & electoral cycles.

  143. John Constantine

    SKY, sky metals, the tin explorer. [ is tin the new technology metal?.]

    Interesting that their announcement today included a photo of fluorescence from a handheld analyser of a drill core before it had been sent away to the lab for compliance numbers.

    New handheld tech is pretty darn good now, and running one over exploration drill cores to see what is in them is tempting. Nothing at all wrong with what SKY did, just this is about the first photo in an announcement of what is now everyday practise.

    Information is valuable, selldowns of failed drilling programs when the handhelds have informed some people ahead of others are yet to be an asx thing to be bothered with– not SKY behaviour, but others seem to have had obvious pre-announcement moves.

    [ chipped in for some sky when they recapped it and put the old YTC yunnan project in]

  144. feelthebern

    The greatest strategic mistake since WWII was allowing the PRC to join WTO.

    Ah, this is the crazy turned up to 11.
    What next, close our economy ?

  145. feelthebern

    Hang around the Cat long enough & you’ll see every crack pot economic theory posted.
    We should have Cat bingo.

  146. John Constantine

    How long for an oil tanker from the USA?.

    Before or after hezbollah’s south american drug cartel arm drone strike a couple of tankers in the Panama Canal?.

  147. Fisky

    What next, close our economy ?

    Nah, just don’t admit totalitarian countries into a rules-based organisation especially when their international behaviour has always involved breaking the rules.

  148. Anthony Albanese says he has seen no evidence of corruption in federal politics

    I suppose the fat dribbling twat kept a straight face whilst making this pronouncement.
    He’s the leader of a party founded and run by spivs and thieves, the Union thugocracy has pilfered billions from our pockets and ripped off millions of wukkas domestic and foreign and his ideology (now adopted by the LNP) is to steal half a trillion dollars of money from the punters per annum who get SFA in return.

    Australia is the most legally corrupt nation on Earth.

  149. feelthebern

    Guess what.
    Everyone breaks the rule.
    Before we moved to spot pricing of coal & iron ore, the Japanese used every trick on the book the manipulate the price every quarter.
    You could set your watch by it.

  150. Fisky:
    At the end of the war, the US apparently printed occupation currency for the 3 western areas of Germany. The Russians asked for, and got, plates from the US so they could print their own – a part of national pride, they said.
    The Russians then paid their troops in OC and those troops hadn’t been paid in most of the war it was said. The Russian printing presses ran red hot and they went to the US PX’s and spent up big. So the West essentially paid for the Red Army and their satellite nations at the end of the war.
    Never trust a Socialist with OPM.

  151. feelthebern

    If ScoMo agrees to let Australian ships escort tankers in the Persian Gulf, it would be the stupidest decision since Gillard gave the green light to the USMC base.

  152. feelthebern

    Never trust a Socialist with OPM.

    Never trust any government with OPM.

  153. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘allowing the PRC to join the WTO’

    Excellent idea.

    If you appreciate the concept of rather than being a trading partner with Chinaland, you’d have 12 million inscrutable human wave-charging Chinkies on your home soil taking the stuff for free that you used to charge them for.

  154. Fisky

    Yes, feelthebern it is true that Oriental countries are chronic rule-breakers who take advantage of dumb naïve Westerners.

  155. Infidel Tiger

    Chinese think in terms of dynasties.
    Russians think in term of empires.
    Americans (& all western democracies) think in terms of twitter storms & electoral cycles.

    This is the sort of low rent fortune cookie quote western betas love pulling out.

    America is the most powerful nation in human history. China and Russia are failed states.

  156. Fisky

    I love the idea that failing to let PRC join the WTO would have resulted in:
    -no trade at ALL
    -a war!

    Lol

  157. Infidel Tiger

    If ScoMo agrees to let Australian ships escort tankers in the Persian Gulf, it would be the stupidest decision since Gillard gave the green light to the USMC base.

    What?

    How can you possibly object to US bases?

  158. feelthebern

    When it was stacks on Russia over the Ukraine I repeatedly said:
    Crooks in Russia versus the crooks in Ukraine versus the fools in the West.

    I am yet to work out a way to describe the way Australia interacts with the US & China these days.

  159. feelthebern

    This is the sort of low rent fortune cookie quote western betas love pulling out.

    Hey IT, you can tongue my ball bag.

  160. feelthebern

    How can you possibly object to US bases?

    Because they never fvcking leave.
    & only get bigger.
    Do you think Australia would be worse off with the US if we said no to Obama?

  161. Infidel Tiger

    Former Prime Minister John Howard says Hong Kong’s protesters are inspirational, saying the ongoing anti-government demonstrations pose a test for an “increasingly authoritarian” regime in Beijing.

    Speaking at the Diggers and Dealers mining conference in Kalgoorlie, where he delivered the keynote address, Mr Howard said Australia should favour its close relationship with the US over its economic ties with China, saying the shared values of the US and Australia made it the more important relationship.

    Very true.

  162. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    I am yet to work out a way to describe the way Australia
    interacts with the US & China these days.

    Grovelling?

  163. cohenite

    I don’t have an “hypothesis”.

    The troll admits that all it has is the other fat troll’s dick in its hand.

    I hope that is objectionable enough.

    The pour on from the left cucks about the latest mass shootings in the US is vile.

    Neither will answer this basic question:

    Do citizens have the right to defend themselves?

  164. Fisky

    When it was stacks on Russia over the Ukraine I repeatedly said:
    Crooks in Russia versus the crooks in Ukraine versus the fools in the West.

    Oh, so it’s not just the PRC, you have a thing for revanchist regimes on principle.

  165. feelthebern

    IT today you have said you:
    Love JWH’s attitude to the US;
    Love Gillard doing a deal with HRC & BHO.
    You are a fraud with no principles.

  166. Knuckle Dragger

    There is still an earnest belief that the Chinkies will, of their own accord, play by the rules others set for them.

    In cricketing terms, it’s like turning up for a match against them and realising they’re all wearing whites comprised entirely of sandpaper.

    ‘This? This isn’t sandpaper,’ they’d say. ‘No, this is silk from the Forbidden City.’

    So you end up playing a skewed, plainly rorted game, or you don’t play at all.

  167. Infidel Tiger

    Hey IT, you can tongue my ball bag.

    Will leave that chore to your Chinese girlfriend.

  168. feelthebern

    You need to do smart business deals with any party you get into bed with.
    If you do not align your interests, do get into bed in the first place.
    If you put a kilo of cocaine on a table in front of a pack of addicts, who do you blame?
    You or the addicts?

  169. feelthebern

    do NOT get into bed

  170. Infidel Tiger

    IT today you have said you:
    Love JWH’s attitude to the US;
    Love Gillard doing a deal with HRC & BHO.
    You are a fraud with no principles.

    This makes no sense. Tell your Chinese friends to translate better.

  171. Cohenite:

    Do citizens have the right to defend themselves?

    In Australia, it’s a very grey area.

    Do citizens have the right to defend themselves vigourously?

    No way, Jose.

    Do citizens have the right to call for assistance when the coppers will turn up in time to count the bodies?

    That’s the law, yes.

    Do all Australians have the same right to defend themselves?

    Only if you are wealthy or important enough to get armed guards to do the protecting you refuse to do yourself.
    Otherwise tough shit.
    Run Cower Beg.

  172. feelthebern

    Good trolling.
    Well played.
    Invitation to ball bag withdrawn.

  173. dover_beach

    Legally, I am prepared to be held accountable for my actions. If I commit an offence, I will know I’m about to do so and will make a decision based on whether or not I’m good enough to get away with it.

    Morally, not so much. I care very little for what others think of my actions in day to day life. That said, I have my own morality I live by, as I have found that people with no morals are far more dangerous than people with morals different to mine.

    Here is a problem with this position. It doesn’t appear to think that there is a fact of the matter about this or that act being capable of being morally wrong. Is there a fact of the matter about, to use a previous example, robbing an old lady as she walks down the street being wrong? If I held the position you expressed above, the answer would be, No. Legally, it may be wrong but only in the sense that it was illegal to do so, and if you ever asked why that were the case, all the legislator could point to would be non-moral reasons, like, it’s not what we do (convention), or it helps economic efficiency and the like. It would also mean that you would avoid robbing old ladies in such circumstances only because you calculate the dividend given the chance of being caught and punished too risky, but if you knew she was carrying a winning unregistered lotto ticket the calculation might move into the other column. And you could not say, “I have a personal morality which abhors robbing old ladies”, because that would only mean, “I don’t like robbing old ladies”, not that you think it is wrong because that would imply that there is a fact of the matter in such cases.

  174. cohenite

    And I see fuckedfacts and the guardian (which makes no reference to the RoP shri lanki effort) are pushing the right wing angle to mass shootings. The El Paso massacre, like the new zealandian outrage were done by environmentalists.

    The recent non-RoP efforts however are no doubt bolstered by the many RoP outrages; RoP has created the template for modern mass terrorist attacks.

    The government can’t protect the citizenry and increasingly the left won’t let the citizenry protect itself.

  175. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘kilo of cocaine’

    If I put a kilo of coke in front of a bunch of halfwits I wouldn’t blame anybody.

    As long as, considering a couple of months ago it was going for $310 a gram. At an average of 9.5% purity, and assuming it hadn’t been stood on even further, or that I could convince the dills that it hadn’t been;

    I’d be happy leaving the room with $350K. They can use it to make papier mache hats for all I cared, as long as they don’t hurt anyone in the process.

  176. cohenite

    Winston Smith

    #3123969, posted on August 5, 2019 at 3:14 pm

    Cohenite:

    Do citizens have the right to defend themselves?

    In Australia, it’s a very grey area.

    Let me rephrase: should the citizenry have the right to defend themselves?

  177. notafan

    I care very little for what others think of my actions in day to day life

    and others don’t care what you think of either your actions, or of their actions, or what you think about what they think either, for that matter.

  178. notafan

    does ‘fact of the matter’ lead to objectively wrong?

  179. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘and others don’t care what you think’

    Good. I don’t care that they don’t care.

    We’re on the same page then.

    Sister Misery Guts.

  180. Wonders of the NBN.
    I have just discovered that if you send me an email, or reply to one that I send you, THEN …

    I can tell if/when someone is home at your address.

    NBN – burglary enabling. A free service that they don’t charge you for.

  181. feelthebern

    I can tell if/when someone is home at your address.

    Really?
    Doesn’t it just say you are active or not?
    You could be on the moon & it would show you as active, doesn’t it?

  182. Knuckle Dragger

    Watching a replay of a ladeeees’ ODI crikkit match on Fox. Australia v New Zealand.

    There is a ladeeeee umpire as well.

    My God, she’s got a fat arse. Has to be disrupting the bowlers’ run-ups.

  183. notafan

    okay then Lord High Pontificato’r

    are you feeling cranky?

    too much Hot English Mustard was there?

  184. 1735099

    Do citizens have the right to defend themselves?

    Absolutely.
    But in 72 years as a citizen of this country, I’ve never needed a semi-automatic rifle to do that.
    The only time I needed one of those was many years ago in another country when there were lots of small and wiry men running around Phuoc Tuy province, also with semi-automatic rifles, RPG7s and RPDs.
    Haven’t come across too many of those in Oz.
    They were a bit pissed off because we were telling them how to run their country.
    Understandable.
    I’d have done the same if somebody from elsewhere had tried that here.

  185. Really?
    Doesn’t it just say you are active or not?

    Really. Optus/Telstra (haven’t checked others) are snoopable unless you connect via a vpn.

  186. Cohenite:

    Let me rephrase: should the citizenry have the right to defend themselves?

    That’s a lot easier – Yes they should.
    However they will be punished if they do it in a way our elites frown upon.
    The rules are even more stringent than that faced by our soldiers in a war zone.

  187. Knuckle Dreggar:

    My God, she’s got a fat arse. Has to be disrupting the bowlers’ run-ups.

    Oh yeah.
    And someone is going to protest that?
    Maaate.
    🙂

  188. Kev

    They were a bit pissed off because we were telling them how to run their country.
    Understandable

    No, we were trying to save them from the filth that was communism.

  189. calli

    Rafiki redux
    #3123671, posted on August 5, 2019 at 9:29 am
    Calli – why did you find Hamburg unsafe?

    Rafiki, we were there very early in the morning and wandering around and found ourselves in what I figured was the red light district. Almost deserted.

    I mentioned that I have a well-honed danger reflex. Whether it was warranted or not is another question. The fact was, the Beloved walked very close to me and slightly to the rear. He sensed it too.

  190. Let me rephrase: should the citizenry have the right to defend themselves?

    Definitely.
    Salespeople shoot be legit targets, as soon as they enter you property.

  191. Shy Ted

    The fake media including the ABC is just lying. These shootings are not terrorism or domestic terrorism, they’re just mass murders and the perps really do have common characteristics as a rule. The slides describe many inadequate people who rage internally at life’ unfairness but who don’t commit atrocities as well as those who do. Common sense tells us how the lives of little boys should be – free play, accidents, injuries, friendships, bullying, sports, hobbies, education and discipline, strong dads who get them out of the house to toughen them up and nurturing mums who put the bandaids on when they come home in tears. And at the end of the day (and I mean at bedtime) these psychopathic loners (Tom’s right) know they’re outsiders and they don’t fit in because they haven’t been made to. In the end it doesn’t take much to fit in – a relationship, job, team, hobby, friends, opportunity or purpose. When you look at what our elites are doing which is destroying these things 1 by 1, you get what we’ve got.
    There are no political, ideological or religious motive with these loners despite dubious cut and pasted manifestos. They’re 19 and know f all about life and can’t think things through. One didn’t think what would happen when he ran out of ammo, the other didn’t think people might shoot back.

  192. Atoms for Peace

    Anyone who quotes the mystical Chinese 4D world chess game to me also has to account for their collective clusterfuckery over the centuries. They do break a lot of eggs..

  193. It looks like this is the end game – Democrats get their arses booted over the moon because of the lunatic Left contestants.
    …and that leaves Michelle O’Bama as the only viable alternative for them.
    At last, the first Female, Negro, Transgender US President evah!

    Bugger. Did I say that out loud?

  194. Diogenes

    Calli,
    if you were near the Harbour that would have been the Reeperbahn(St Pauli), my great grandmother lived in the middle of it from 1910 until she died 10 years ago, and my cousin(the Frl DrIng) now owns her unit. If near the Hauptbhnhof that is a no go area for many residents because that area is where the adherents of the RoP gather.

  195. feelthebern

    If someone writes a manifesto, then goes on a rampage, I’d call that domestic terrorism.
    If someone gets a punch in the head at a party then comes back & shoots the place up, I would not call it domestic terrorism.

  196. Knuckle Dragger

    Thanks for asking SMG, but I’m having a pretty good day. Large amounts of bugger-all, as opposed to most days.

    Taskings for Monday, 5 August:
    1. Sleep in. Completed. Achievement: 9.15 a.m. wakies, no alarms.
    2. Nap – not yet complete. Achievement: Potentially an hour, if my useless associates don’t ring up and ask what I’m doing.
    3. Put on pants – not yet complete. Achievement: To be determined.

  197. calli

    C.L.
    #3123674, posted on August 5, 2019 at 9:32 am
    I thought she committed suicide with help from the state.

    Be careful not to slip into Orwell-speak.
    There is no such thing as “assisted suicide.”
    She was killed by several people.
    There word is homicide.

    I don’t think it was Orwell-speak at all.

    Had she been injected by another, it would have been homicide.

    She was presented with a lethal dose of drugs, she mixed the drink and drank it herself.

    At most, the family, pharmacists and the state are accessories for procuring, providing and sanctioning.

  198. Shy Ted

    Did I hear on the wireless that Craig Emerson has just been appointed to something he shouldn’t be allowed near? Can’t find anything on the web but the ABC was gushing.

  199. C.L.

    Anthony Albanese says he has seen no evidence of corruption in federal politics

    Well, he’s speaking honestly after a manner.
    They legalised all the corrupt things they routinely do, most especially taking bribes and robbery.

  200. Knuckle Dragger

    Winston;

    Oh I protested. Mucho booing ensued, but it didn’t seem to put her off.

    Possibly because it was a replay. Dunno, all this time travel stuff’s beyond me.

    Tomorrow I’m going to ask the little men in my radio why they only play music when I kick the ute in the guts.

  201. stackja

    Winston Smith
    #3124010, posted on August 5, 2019 at 3:59 pm
    Linky thing.

    Did you mean this?

  202. Shy Ted

    Terrorism definition, the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

  203. feelthebern

    Top of the smh.com.au.
    Drug cheat deserves compassion especially if guilty.

    What the?

  204. cohenite

    Kavanuagh beats 83 allegations…

    And no consequences for the mad bitch blasey ford who lied or the others; or for comey; unless some of these fuckers face consequences more bad things are going to happen.

  205. feelthebern

    Ohio shooter had a kill list & a r*pe list.
    Obama had a kill list – including Americans.
    The r*pe list sounds more like the chap who used to post here who was making a suit from human skin.

  206. Knuckle Dragger

    That’s strange.

    If people came over here and tried to run this country by virtue of force, Liability Bob would seek employment with Birch Carroll and Coyle?

  207. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    notafan

    I looked into the drunk autistic Hungarian guy.

    The woman involved said nothing inappropriate was said.

    ‘He just asked me if I was single, saying that I was beautiful and he was going to buy me stuff. I just told him to go away and I wasn’t interested,’ she said.

    This is what you said:

    notafan
    #3123583, posted on August 5, 2019 at 7:20 am

    And he persisted, despite being asked to go away.

    Her father acted like a man.

    Her father arguably threatened him – “you better start running”

    Let’s see how the Daily Mail reported this:

    The Hungarian man was tackled by a police officer after making inappropriate comments to a young woman on the Sunshine Coast on Wednesday

    It speaks volumes how you praise the father but won’t condemn the police.

    It used to be the law that if someone was annoying you in public, you ought to simply walk away (I am sure that is how it works for the rest of us still). You never had a right to strike them, threaten them, have them arrested or force them to move on.

    ‘I was just sitting in the car and this man’s said a few inappropriate things to my daughter and I’ve just reacted by chasing him up the road and it just happened to be you guys were here at the same time,’ Mr Scells told 9News.

    What a bullshit artist. Him and the gutter journalism of the Daily Fail are just disgustingly dishonest.

    Let’s see if a young man can get out of a negligent driving causing death charge…”hey, I’m not a man, I’m a 19 year old boy!”

    The concept of a “nineteen-year-old child” is laughable to anyone but their parents.

    On Ray! Fucking! Hadley! today, he was whinging how the Queensland Crown Prosecutor had screwed up by not knowing that a drug driver who killed someone had already been in gaol for drug driving. (Didn’t the NSW police shoot some guy for stealing a pack of Tim Tams a while back – maybe the cops are racist fuckwits with a borderline retard IQ?)

    Did any cop assault this guy? Nope, they forgot and the CPS couldn’t even do their job right. Lucky he wasn’t an ugly looking dude. What about Lena Dunham asexually assaulting Brad Pitt? Nope. No lying fuckwit father around. Maybe Brad Pitt should claim he’s a 19-year-old girl?

    ‘How old is she by the way? Because she didn’t look that young. And she was wearing a mini skirt so she wants attention,’ he continued.

    Well duh. But she’s a 19-year-old minor, apparently.

    If you’re happy for your grandkids to live in a world where the cops pile on and arrest men for asking women out for coffee, go right ahead, your tickets are paid for, welcome to klown world!

    I hope they’re all boys. I’d wish them to live in interesting times, but we’re already there.

    Honk honk!

  208. In July, the unemployment rate for African-Americans between the ages of 16 and 19 fell to a seasonally adjusted 17.7 percent, the lowest rate since the government began tallying the figures in the early 1970s.

    Perhaps President Trump will pull enough black voters away from the Democrats to break the chains?

  209. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    No, we were trying to save them from the filth that was communism.

    Life under the rule of kindly and benevolent “Uncle Ho” would have been Utopia for the South Vietnamese, surely?

  210. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    A report from my correspondents:

    Hopefully this trade war the celestial kingdom look to have just kicked off in earnest will see the aussie tank hard while BTC shoots to the moon.

    Come on ZH, report something that actually pans out for once in your life.

  211. no evidence of corruption in federal politics

    Submarines anyone?

  212. Nob

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #3123680, posted on August 5, 2019 at 9:40 am
    Please also include the term “Cardimona” in your post so I can “control-F” search the pages of the thread – as usual, I am many pages behind the live action.

    How do you do this ‘control-F’ thingo

    It will only search in the page you have open.

    On tablets or phones using Chrome, there’s usually an item in the “three vertical dot” top right menu called “find in page”.

  213. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Legal and moral corruption are not always the same thing.

    Yes, Australia is very corrupt.

    The Greens voting with Turnbull to destroy most other minor parties (who happen to be right-wing) was appalling. It was a vulgar act that was anti-republican and anti-democratic.

    The State police services are like an open syphilitic wound regarding corruption.

    I’ve never shot and killed a Brazilian student because I couldn’t do my job properly.

    PS on the QLD CPS – if they’re that shithouse at their jerb, why don’t they have the ‘tegridy to just quit, give up their practising cert. and hand back their LLB to the university?

  214. JC

    vr

    Sell aussie on rallies.

    Buy US Dollar against the Euro as it appears to be going lower.

    The Yen is king. Buy Yen against the Aussie, Euro, US Dollar on rallies.

    I’m currently short Aussie against the Yen but I will look to close the position and reestablish higher. I think Yen is heading back into the 90s against the big buck.

  215. C.L.

    How to write about shootings in the US without mentioning the June 2017 attempt by a Democrat to carry out the largest mass assassination in US history – a crime that was deliberately incited by Democrats and the media.
    Mmm.

    For Fairfax, somebody named CJ Werleman shows how:
    US in the midst of a white nationalist terrorism crisis.

    It is no coincidence that far-right extremists were responsible for 100 per cent of all terrorist attacks on US soil since the end of 2017

  216. Mater

    Do citizens have the right to defend themselves?

    Absolutely.
    But in 72 years as a citizen of this country, I’ve never needed a semi-automatic rifle to do that.

    We’ve been around this track once or twice before, but here was go again.

    In this country, you are NOT allowed to obtain a weapon for the purpose of self defence – be it semi-automatic, bolt action or f-cking flintlock.

    Bob, do you support the right of Australian citizens to own a gun for the sole purpose of self-defence?

  217. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    How to write about shootings in the US without mentioning the June 2017 attempt by a Democrat to carry out the largest mass assassination in US history – a crime that was deliberately incited by Democrats and the media.

    Never forget.

  218. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Do citizens have the right to defend themselves?

    Not against cops who don’t even understand the laws they are trying to enforce with their high school dropout “education”.

  219. notafan

    Frank

    I read that as he persisted after she made it clear she wasn’t interested

    also he is a creepy looking guy, apparently women should have to put up with persistent advances from creepy guys in public places

    I made no comment about the police arrest because that was neither here nor there as to whether her father should have intervened

    apparently parents aren’t allowed to make judgements about who appears to be a threat to their children, and as far as I am concerned that she was over 18 is irrelevant.

    merely that her dad was acting to protect his daughter, as fathers often do

    I’d have told him to go away from my daughters too

  220. Ellie

    Joining Tony Jones on Q&A tonight are Independent MP Zali Steggall; Liberal MP Jason Falinski; Labor Senator Katy Gallagher; Australian Council of Social Service CEO Cassandra Goldie; and The Australian’s Economics editor Adam Creighton.

    Carpe, will you be ready to rumble?

    It’s Monday. Vodka shouldn’t be consumed on a Monday night, but how is any sane person able to get through the show. Might hit Tailgunner for some herbal therapy.

  221. Leigh Lowe

    KD at 4:01.
    Very similar “sleep in-nap-trousers optional” day for me after staying up late watching the Poms mentally disintegrate at Edgbaston.

  222. JC

    The D’rats are the principal cause of these mass killings by inciting loons through hate and appalling strategies like allowing the southern border to remain porous.

  223. 1735099

    No, we were trying to save them from the filth that was communism.

    That “Communism”, whatever it is, has superpowers.
    Apparently it’s also responsible for mass shootings in the USA.
    Maybe it’s also preventing my strawberries from bearing.
    Like Chickenman, it’s everywhere….

  224. C.L.

    On Ray! Fucking! Hadley! today, he was whinging how the Queensland Crown Prosecutor had screwed up by not knowing that a drug driver who killed someone had already been in gaol for drug driving.

    Is that the same Ray Hadley who got the family lawyer to arrange for charges against his arrested, cocaine-using son, 28, to be disappeared with a “section 32 dismissal on the grounds of mental illness”?

  225. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    also he is a creepy looking guy, apparently women should have to put up with persistent advances from creepy guys in public places

    Oh god, I can’t believe you did this to yourself.

    …but not from good looking ones.

    I made no comment about the police arrest because that was neither here nor there as to whether her father should have intervened

    Yes well. Apparently the cops can assault and arrest you for no reason at all with no consequence professionally; no compensation, let alone an apology.

    apparently parents aren’t allowed to make judgements about who appears to be a threat to their children, and as far as I am concerned that she was over 18 is irrelevant.

    So you’re claiming she is a minor and an adult at the same time, and the guy was going to harm her?

    She was wearing a mini skirt so she wants attention

    Correct. She’s not wearing that to stay warm during August in Australia.

    The article you just linked to added NOTHING AT ALL, the daughter contradicted the lies of her father.

    Why does he have a right to threaten someone over something that wasn’t even said!?

  226. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Is that the same Ray Hadley who got the family lawyer to arrange for charges against his arrested, cocaine-using son, 28, to be disappeared with a “section 32 dismissal on the grounds of mental illness”?

    Could be.

    I urge all police and prosecutors in both circumstances to quit out of the principles of decency, public service professionalism and letting more competent people with higher IQs have their jobs.

  227. C.L.

    The authorial footnote for Werleman reads, “CJ Werleman is a journalist and author.” Some digging unearthed who he really is:

    Hi, I’m CJ, a journalist, published author, political commentator, and activist who provides insights into the Israel-Palestinian conflict, injustices carried out against Mu-zl1mms under the guise of the US’ global war on terrorism, and rising anti-Mu-zl1mm discrimination. Insights the mainstream media too often ignores. From Palestine to Kashmir; from Burma to Syria; from India to Chechnyna; from refugee camps in Germany to those in the South Pacific; Mu-zl1mm are being occupied, oppressed, bombed, and vilified. As has become the norm, however, crimes and injustices carried out against Mu-zl1mms are too often overlooked by the Western media, while crimes carried out by Mu-zl1mms are exaggerated and overrepresented in the media by 449% (LexusNexus Academic, 2017). Wherever you look, the mainstream Western media sympathies with those who oppress Mu-zl1mm majority nation states and communities. These sympathies provide the political cover for anti-Mu-zl1mm discrimination and injustice. For instance, Western media’s sympathetic stance towards Israel’s brutal military occupation and apartheid provides the political space for the US to continue underwriting Israel’s international law and human rights violations; the media’s refusal to cover India’s violence against Muslims in Kashmir; while anti-Mu-zl1mm tropes and stereotypes disseminated unchallenged into the media serve to only encourage hate crimes and discriminatory government policy against Mu-zl1mms in the West. It’s journalism’s responsibility to reveal these injustices. Sadly, criticism of Israeli policy and defence of Mu-zl1mm civil rights has long been considered a career killer in the US, and thus far too many journalists choose to turn a blind eye to Israel’s crimes and anti-Mu-zl1mm discrimination in order to maintain their access and profile. I, like many of my colleagues who expose injustices in the Mu-zl1mm or Arab world, refuse to trade justice for mainstream punditry. But activist journalism requires funding, especially in a democratized, free media environment, thus I seek your assistance to help me travel further, investigate deeper, and expose the injustices carried out against Mu-zl1mms – in an effort to reveal to US audiences and policy makers who it is who’s really the aggressor and who it is who’s actually the victim. Only then will US political leaders lose the political cover for supporting Israeli apartheid and occupation, the self-defeating “war no terrorism,” and domestic policies that strip away the civil rights and dignity of Mu-zl1mm citizens. Furthermore, I am currently engaged in academic studies into terrorism and counterterrorism – aiming to complete a Masters degree and then doctorate. Given that four million Mu-zl1mms have been killed in US led wars since 1990, my academic work aims towards helping to bring an end to what promises to be an inter-generational transnational catastrophe. Every donation, no matter how big or small, helps us take the fight to those who profit from institutionalized injustice and oppression. For as little as $1 per month, you can help me reveal to US and Western audiences the level of violence that is carried out in their name in Mu-zl1mm lands. My Work From personal interviews, I have published stories on aid workers trapped in the Syrian conflict; tortured Guantanamo Bay detainees; civilians who have been targeted by Israeli settlers and occupation forces; former and current jihadists; those falsely accused of terrorism; and more. From travels, observations, and research I have published stories on misguided US foreign policy in the Middle East; Israel’s war crimes; misguided counter radicalisation programs that unfairly target Mu-zl1mm communities; and the latest academic research into transnational terrorist groups.

  228. Mark from Melbourne

    Tom,

    Your toons are a great joy every day. Don’t know what I’d do without you.

    This cartoonist is perhaps one to watch…

    (H/T Insty)

  229. 1735099

    Bob, do you support the right of Australian citizens to own a gun for the sole purpose of self-defence?

    I wouldn’t have the chutzpah to ask every person who wanted to own a gun his/her reasons for that.
    Just as nobody asks you why you need a motor vehicle.
    So long as the thing is safe and legal, it’s nobody’s business.
    That’s why we have the NFA in this country.
    Here’s a question for you.
    Is it OK for any citizen to appoint himself/herself as judge, jury and executioner?

  230. Knuckle Dragger

    FWFNT,

    Yup.

    Yet again we are presented with the proposition that an adult female is incapable of looking after herself, and that various men must run to their aid should they be spoken to in the street.

    There is an ‘aggravation’ to the offence of assault in NT law that provides a harsher penalty if a man is found guilty or convicted of assaulting a woman. I have yet to see any of the equalideee crowd protest its existence because sexist, and I personally think it should have been repealed years ago.

    It really is time for the ladeees, in this country at least, to decide whether they want to be treated equally or not. I’m happy to go either way, but they don’t seem to realise it’s a package deal. You don’t get to pick and choose the bits of equality you want.

    NB: I’m as chivalrous and polite as anyone else to the fairer sex (much more so, actually) but if they don’t want it then I won’t bother. Except, of course, to the obvious femmos, when I will continue to open doors, hold lift doors open etc with the biggest shit-eating grin on my dial I can muster.

  231. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Is it OK for any citizen to appoint himself/herself as judge, jury and executioner?

    See the NSW Crimes Act. The short answer is yes if you are protecting your own life or the life of others. Circumstances that are nearly certain are being attacked by more than one perpetrator or being attacked with a weapon.

    So if you saw Anita Cobby being kidnapped, you could have smoked the lot of them until they fled or surrendered.

    http://www8.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/ca190082/s418.html

    CRIMES ACT 1900 – SECT 418 Self-defence–when available
    CRIMES ACT 1900 – SECT 418
    Self-defence–when available
    418 Self-defence–when available

    (1) A person is not criminally responsible for an offence if the person carries out the conduct constituting the offence in self-defence.

    (2) A person carries out conduct in self-defence if and only if the person believes the conduct is necessary:

    (a) to defend himself or herself or another person, or

    (b) to prevent or terminate the unlawful deprivation of his or her liberty or the liberty of another person, or

    (c) to protect property from unlawful taking, destruction, damage or interference, or

    (d) to prevent criminal trespass to any land or premises or to remove a person committing any such criminal trespass,

    and the conduct is a reasonable response in the circumstances as he or she perceives them.

  232. dover_beach

    does ‘fact of the matter’ lead to objectively wrong?

    Yes. To say that there is a ‘fact of the matter’ about something is to say it can be potentially right or wrong.

  233. 1735099

    The D’rats are the principal cause of these mass killings by inciting loons through hate and appalling strategies like allowing the southern border to remain porous.

    So it’s OK to shoot “illegals” by the dozen if they’re on the “wrong” side of the border?
    And I guess by “hate” you mean this kind of discourse.

  234. Cassie of Sydney

    “I wouldn’t have the chutzpah “

    How trite…an anti-Semite using a Yiddish word.

  235. feelthebern

    Aug iron ore contract just went below $US100 USD.

  236. C.L.

    The authorial footnote for Werleman reads, “CJ Werleman is a journalist and author.” Some digging unearthed who he really is: a Muzzl1mm fetishiser who hates Iz-rail and Christianity.

    Hi, I’m CJ, a journalist, published author, political commentator, and activist who provides insights into the Israel-Palestinian conflict, injustices carried out against Mu-zl1mms under the guise of the US’ global war on terrorism, and rising anti-Mu-zl1mm discrimination. Insights the mainstream media too often ignores. From Palestine to Kashmir; from Burma to Syria; from India to Chechnyna; from refugee camps in Germany to those in the South Pacific; Mu-zl1mm are being occupied, oppressed, bombed, and vilified. As has become the norm, however, crimes and injustices carried out against Mu-zl1mms are too often overlooked by the Western media, while crimes carried out by Mu-zl1mms are exaggerated and overrepresented in the media by 449% (LexusNexus Academic, 2017). Wherever you look, the mainstream Western media sympathies with those who oppress Mu-zl1mm majority nation states and communities. These sympathies provide the political cover for anti-Mu-zl1mm discrimination and injustice. For instance, Western media’s sympathetic stance towards Iz-rail’s brutal military occupation and apartheid provides the political space for the US to continue underwriting Iz-rail’s international law and human rights violations; the media’s refusal to cover India’s violence against Muslims in Kashmir; while anti-Mu-zl1mm tropes and stereotypes disseminated unchallenged into the media serve to only encourage hate crimes and discriminatory government policy against Mu-zl1mms in the West. It’s journalism’s responsibility to reveal these injustices. Sadly, criticism of Israeli policy and defence of Mu-zl1mm civil rights has long been considered a career killer in the US, and thus far too many journalists choose to turn a blind eye to Iz-rail’s crimes and anti-Mu-zl1mm discrimination in order to maintain their access and profile. I, like many of my colleagues who expose injustices in the Mu-zl1mm or Arab world, refuse to trade justice for mainstream punditry. But activist journalism requires funding, especially in a democratized, free media environment, thus I seek your assistance to help me travel further, investigate deeper, and expose the injustices carried out against Mu-zl1mms – in an effort to reveal to US audiences and policy makers who it is who’s really the aggressor and who it is who’s actually the victim. Only then will US political leaders lose the political cover for supporting Iz-raili apartheid and occupation, the self-defeating “war no terrorism,” and domestic policies that strip away the civil rights and dignity of Mu-zl1mm citizens. Furthermore, I am currently engaged in academic studies into terrorism and counterterrorism – aiming to complete a Masters degree and then doctorate. Given that four million Mu-zl1mms have been killed in US led wars since 1990, my academic work aims towards helping to bring an end to what promises to be an inter-generational transnational catastrophe. Every donation, no matter how big or small, helps us take the fight to those who profit from institutionalized injustice and oppression. For as little as $1 per month, you can help me reveal to US and Western audiences the level of violence that is carried out in their name in Mu-zl1mm lands. My Work From personal interviews, I have published stories on aid workers trapped in the Syrian conflict; tortured Guantanamo Bay detainees; civilians who have been targeted by Iz-raili settlers and occupation forces; former and current jihadists; those falsely accused of terrorism; and more. From travels, observations, and research I have published stories on misguided US foreign policy in the Middle East; Iz-rail’s war crimes; misguided counter radicalisation programs that unfairly target Mu-zl1mm communities; and the latest academic research into transnational terrorist groups.

    He is also the author of Jesus Lied: He Was Only Human and God Hates You. Hate Him Back.

  237. 1735099

    See the NSW Crimes Act. The short answer is yes if you are protecting your own life or the life of others.

    Unfortunately, that is a very rare occurrence.
    Firearms are more likely to be used in situations of domestic violence, robbery and hijackings than they are in self defence.

  238. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘he is a creepy looking guy’

    Brilliant. Just brilliant.

    That’s right up there with the other Committee member None’s commentary on the bloke that stabbed the Abbott666 staffer with a corkscrew:

    ‘He sounds gay, or at least very camp’

  239. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Yet again we are presented with the proposition that an adult female is incapable of looking after herself, and that various men must run to their aid should they be spoken to in the street.

    Cuck world! Since we still have AK as an award in the Aust. honours system, I think the appropriate administrative decision is to have that det. sgt. transferred to the mounted police. He can even keep a tally of women who have ignored him after he has leapt to their defence.

    There is an ‘aggravation’ to the offence of assault in NT law that provides a harsher penalty if a man is found guilty or convicted of assaulting a woman. I have yet to see any of the equalideee crowd protest its existence because sexist, and I personally think it should have been repealed years ago.

    Blatant misandry.

    It really is time for the ladeees

    You mean, LAYDEES!

    in this country at least, to decide whether they want to be treated equally or not. I’m happy to go either way, but they don’t seem to realise it’s a package deal. You don’t get to pick and choose the bits of equality you want.

    …rights but not responsibilities. It was never about equality. Who are net taxpayers? Who pays for other people’s little bastards? Who gets screwed in divorces? Who initiates divorces?

    NB: I’m as chivalrous and polite as anyone else to the fairer sex (much more so, actually) but if they don’t want it then I won’t bother. Except, of course, to the obvious femmos, when I will continue to open doors, hold lift doors open etc with the biggest shit-eating grin on my dial I can muster.

    Sadly, some of them want a man more than the well-adjusted women who actually act like adults.

  240. Knuckle Dragger

    Snap, Frank, sort of.

  241. Infidel Tiger

    Aug iron ore contract just went below $US100 USD.

    The China collapse continues apace.

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