Tuesday Forum: August 6, 2019

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  1. Fair shake of the Sauce bottle

    Servicing high voltage vehicles can require special tools costing around $20-$30k. Technicians need special training and recharging port can cost $8k to$20k. However what trips up a lot of rural locations is the power supply infrastructure. Let’s say a car dealer wants to pursue this he/she may be up for a new switchboards $20k to $30k and have heard of electricity provider quoting upgrade the power lines for the street of $100k to $150k. All this so that they can the charge the customer $200 to $800 every 12 months or more. There is no ROI to justify the investment. High voltage vehicles may make sense in the city but it owning and getting one supported in rural areas is a significant risk.
    Like one chap who lives in the Daintree and has the vehicle trucked to Brisbane for servicing.
    Saving the day planet one long haul at a time.

  2. Bruce of Newcastle

    Tel – The reason why older men are not stupid is because they can do research. We know that EVs have skynormous depreciation and bad resale because of the battery life issue. At the same time they are expensive unless subsidised (or ICE penalized). Every time the subsidy is cut sales collapse. Which means it is a price thing – a Nissan Micra or Daihatsu Sirion or whatever Kia and Hyudai sell in that space are competing on price. So an EV because of inherent engineering disadvantages is going to have problems competing on that basis. I do not see EVs competing on price without subsidies because of the sheer complexity of the battery. Indeed if you took away a lot of the green bullshit imposed on ICE cars that would allow car makers to reduce ICE complexity – that whole VW diesel thing is an example of the cost of lefty ‘regulations’ meant to penalize ICEs for Gaia.

  3. vlad

    I”m very happy for Brother Tyrrell.

  4. None

    Rockdoctor

    #3127509, posted on August 9, 2019 at 7:19 pm

    the Greens have been targeting the Aggies for some time and infiltrating their institutions like the CWA. A lot of rich Farmers kids half fucken lunatic lefties who basically should be treated like vermin. In any case the family farm is the fastest disappearing institution in Australia and most farms an hour run by big conglomerates. Average farm worker these days is in their seventies – mind you the commercial farms run by conglomerates make it very difficult to be a human being and do one of those jobs. The X Factor is critical to Australia that it is one sector we are the bleeding both people and skill imho.

  5. cohenite

    The Drake Equation is fairly pessimistic but the real issue is habitable worlds which are statistically plentiful but without FTL transport too far away.

  6. JC

    There’s no such thing as a Drake Equation, because it’s not really an equation as such.

  7. Bruce of Newcastle

    I’m amused that the car companies in the US are pushing back against Trump’s intention to wind back things like mileage regulations. I suspect they rightly fear that when the artificial barrier to international competition lifts they will lose their captive market of authorised Obamacars. They won’t be able to compete because of unionised workforces, medical insurance and retirement plans to pay for.

    Automakers make last-gasp push to stop Trump from rolling back car pollution rules (7 Jun)

    Trump fuel efficiency rollback hits speed bump as major car companies strike deal with California (25 July)

    These guys will find that get woke go broke applies to car manufacturers too.

  8. Bruce of Newcastle

    On the mileage thing…
    Where Gas Prices Could Soon Drop Below $2 a Gallon (8 Aug)
    That’s 53 c/L. Why even bother having mileage regulations?

  9. Tintarella di Luna

    Could it be possible that the German’s knew Benjamin Law would arrive and that’s why they created the word backpfeifengesicht

  10. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Could it be possible that the German’s knew Benjamin Law would arrive and that’s why they created the word backpfeifengesich

    No more bets, ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner..

  11. John Constantine

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jun/27/at-least-36-believed-to-have-died-at-glencore-copper-mine-in-congo

    2000 artisinal villagers scavenge on the minesite each day, politically they can’t be driven off or told to do safety.

    Now, with the collapse in the price of cobalt and the hardline Congo government, hardline miners glencore are said to be shutting down this massive worldscale mine.

    Battery metal prices are a real gamble.

    Looks like it takes the peoples liberation army to run a mine in the Congo.

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3008843/china-agrees-restructure-congo-republics-debt-african-nation

  12. Some History

    Two photos that connect some dots.

    https://imgur.com/DGAUwI5
    OTTOMH

    In the photo, next to Glantz is Matt Myers, long-time head of the “charity” – “Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids” (CTFK). CTFK was created/funded by the Robert Woods Johnson Foundation (Pharma “Philanthropy”). At the time, RWJF was financed by a large holding of Johnson & Johnson stock. J&J is the main manufacturer of [next to useless] nicotine replacement products in America, i.e., massive vested interest in tobacco prohibition. CTFK is a Pharma front.

    Matt Myers (CTFK) played a large role in the formulation of the World Health Organization’s [prohibitionist]”Framework Convention on Tobacco Control” that most countries, including Australia, are signed up to.

    Here’s Matt Myers on a visit to Australia – with Crapman and Roxon.
    https://imgur.com/mzWTxIo

    Myers would have “educated” Roxon (and the political class) on how to do “nastier” antismoking.
    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/national-class-action-bid-for-big-tobacco-health-bill/news-story/bb78a10995e13b2b4c7a2f1424fedd78

    Since then, Australian government has “led the antismoking way” with “plain packaging” and tobacco tax hikes into the twilight zone.

  13. twostix

    Don’t forget that half a million retarded Sydney and Melbourne boomers have “treechanged” (retired) to places like Coffs Harbour, Armidale, the Hunter, etc, etc over the last few years.

    These retards are greens who don’t want to pay taxes (aka ex-white collar class urban liberal voters), so they vote that way and drag their new electorates into oblivion with them. Compared to the monstrousosity “houses” (rendered cinderblock bunkers) that they build everywhere they go, their voting habits are the least of their crimes.

  14. Entropy

    No it’s not. They’re much cheaper than a Ferrari. Also, their SUV is coming in a US$35,000 in the US.

    Cheaper than a Ferrari only because of copious access to OPM.

  15. Some History

    Here’s CTFK approving of smoking bans in apartments:
    http://consumer.healthday.com/Article.asp?AID=664179

    Here’s reference to Matt Myers (head of CTFK) meeting with then Australian Health Minister, Nicola Roxon, egging on the Australians to sue the tobacco industry for “health costs”:
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/national-class-action-bid-for-big-tobacco-health-bill/story-fn59niix-1226343121280

  16. Zyconoclast

    The Car That Almost Was

    In the department of What Might Have Been, we find a car almost no one who isn’t a car industry insider has ever heard of – but which very nearly was.

    You haven’t heard of it for good reason.

    Well, good reason . . . from the point of view of other insiders. The ones inside the government.

    It is a car VW briefly brought out to show what could be done – and just as quickly withdrew. Probably because it showed what could be done.

    This car was powered by a 1 liter diesel engine and achieved a verified 170 miles-per-gallon. With its hybrid drive engaged, the mileage rose to an incredible 235 MPG. Put another way, on about two gallons of diesel, this VW could go almost 500 miles before it needed more diesel. And it would only need two more gallons to travel another almost 500 miles.

    How long does it take to pump 2 gallons of diesel? Not much longer than it took you to read this article so far.

    How long does it take to recharge an electric car? At least as long as it takes to read a couple of chapters of Moby Dick.

    How much does two gallons of diesel cost? About six bucks at current prices – to go about 500 miles. Free transportation, almost – and with almost no emissions produced, including the new “emission” (carbon dioxide). When you burn almost no fuel, you emit almost no emissions.

    Fewer emissions than electric cars – which require a lot more energy to go 500 miles than that contained in two gallons of diesel.

    It is probably beginning to occur to you whyyou never heard about the L1 – the name VW gave to its diesel-hybrid prototype, which has gone the way of the 100 MPG carburetor.

    Except the VW was real.

    VW had publicly stated its intention to get a production car based on the L1 to market by 2013. This was the apogee of VW’s diesel engine juggernaut, which had expanded to include compression-ignition offerings of almost every car it made. These were not expensive cars; they were cars almost anyone who could afford a new car could afford.

    You could buy TDI-powered Golfs and Beetles and Jettas for about $22K that could peg 50-plus on the highway, which was (and still is) nearly as good as the hyper-miling plug-in Prius but much less expensive and without the battery pack and motors.

    These cars were also about half the price of the least expensive electric cars then (and still) available and came without the range limitations or the recharge hassles.

    Something had to be done.

    It was.

    VW found itself the focus of a curiously severe inquisition over picayune – almost unmeasurable – variances in exhaust emissions. Nothing that made any measurable difference in terms of air quality, at any rate.

    Such variances happen often – federal regulatory rigmarole being recondite rigmarole – but these discrepancies are usually – actually, always – sorted out between the government regulators and the car companies without the severe inquisition.

    Except this time.

    In a historically unprecedented action, VW executives were criminally charged – and frog-marched in irons before judges, who bore down on them with the threat of hard time harder than that given to murderers – over angels-dancing-on-the-head-of-a-pin regulatory infractions which have caused no demonstrable harm to anyone.

    But the L1 – and VW’s diesel engine program – threatened a great deal of harm to the then-nascent electrification putsch which was just getting under way in 2013 and which – six years later – is now ready to seize power, literally.

    VW’s diesel program had to be stopped. And was.

    The L1 and production car derivates were aborted;the L1 itself has been memory holed; it is so unknown it might as well never have existed.

    This memory immolation was absolutely necessary in order to avoid the problem of unhappy comparisons between what was possible – what was on the verge of becoming available . . . and what is being forced down our throats.

    While the L1 was a very small car intended as a commuter car, one can extrapolate from the capability of a 1 liter diesel to the likely capabilities of a 1.4 or so liter diesel in a subcompact car one notch smaller than the current Golf – which, recall, could get 50 on the highway with a 2.0 TDI diesel.

    Maybe not 170 MPG. But probably at least 70 MPG – and for a lot less than the cost of an electric-powered mobility-reducer such as VW’s eGolf – which costs time as well as money.

    It goes about 120 miles on a charge – and costs $31,000 to start.

    It doesn’t take less time than it took you to read this article to recharge. It makes you sweat – literally – whether to use the AC on a hot day. And shiver as you ponder whether to turn on the heat on a cold day.

    The L1 and VW’s now-defunct line of diesel-powered cars let you run the AC full blast all the time with no appreciable effect on the range. You stayed cozy on cold days – because it costs nothing, energy-wise, to run the heat as high as you liked.

    Most ironically of all, VW’s ultra-efficient diesels were environmentally sounder than the electric cars being foisted upon us, if only because almost everyone could afford to drive one while most people cannot afford to drive an electric car.

    What is the benefit of a “zero emissions” electric car if it’s too expensive for all but a small handful of people with the means to buy one?

    Wouldn’t it be more “environmentally sound” to reduce the emissions of the cars driven by average people by whole numbers via double-digit gains in MPGs as opposed to curb-stomping VW over fractions of whole numbers differences on some arcane federal test?

    Such questions don’t bear asking – because of the answers which might be forthcoming.

    They must be memory-holed.

    Along with the L1.

  17. cohenite

    There’s no such thing as a Drake Equation, because it’s not really an equation as such.

    Alright, it’s a tool; you know, that thing you see in the mirror.

  18. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Bourke Street rampage mass murderer’s prison letters reveal why he’s loving his time in jail – and believes he’ll be released ‘in the near future’ despite 46-year sentence

    Mass murderer writes to family to tell them he is loving being locked up in jail
    James Gargasoulas, 29, ran down pedestrians in Bourke Street mall in 2017
    The 29-year-old’s victims included a three-month-old baby boy and 10-year-old
    He was sentenced to life in jail but will be eligible for parole in 2063 at age 73

    Daily Mail. Eight o’clock meeting with the hangperson would have solved all his problems.

  19. Old Lefty

    Tel is right, Bruce, about the ‘safety’ of Chelsea tractors being illusory because their high centre of gravity makes them tippy. I lost some dear friends who were rounding a bend on a hill on a rutted country road because of it.

  20. Some History

    The Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids is a “catchy” title…….. it even has the word “kids” in it. It promotes itself as a “charity”. However, the organization was created in the 1990s by the Robert Woods Johnson Foundation (Pharma-“Philanthropy”). RWJF is financed by its considerable stock holding in Johnson & Johnson, a manufacturer of NRT (nicotine patches, gum). By promoting smoking bans and extortionate taxes on tobacco, CTFK is simply attempting to expand the Pharma NRT market. CTFK is a Pharma-front group. It’s all so tragically corrupt.
    .
    The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation (RWJF) established the National Center for Tobacco-Free Kids in 1995 (renaming it the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids [CTFK] in 1996) and has provided continued support for CTFK since that time.

    CTFK’s mission from its start has been to promote policy and environmental changes that will prevent and reduce tobacco use and exposure to secondhand smoke, especially among children, as well as changes that will minimize the harm caused by tobacco
    http://www.rwjf.org/pr/product.jsp?id=40868

    From the RWJF site:

    Key Results
    From 1996 to 2006, CTFK:
    Advocated for regulation of tobacco products by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in collaboration with the American Cancer Society, the American Heart Association, the American Lung Association and others.

    Launched Faith United Against Tobacco in 2002 to mobilize faith communities of all denominations to support proven solutions to reduce smoking.

    Provided technical assistance to state and local coalitions working on three main tobacco-control goals: strong clean indoor air laws, tobacco tax increases and increased state funding of tobacco prevention and cessation programs.

    From the above, we can also see the other key players in antismoking – American Cancer Society, American Heart Foundation, American Lung Association.

    We also know that RWJF is a neo-eugenics organization pushing the typical eugenics targets along the behavioral dimension – tobacco, alcohol, diet.

  21. John Constantine

    the Sicomines deal has not lived up to expectations. There have been infrastructure project delays as well as unexpected costs. There have also been problems associated with poor quality roads and infrastructure and inadequate environment and social impact studies.

    On the economic front, mineral exports from the DRC have indeed risen steeply. But sharp cyclical fluctuations show that the country is heavily reliant on both the Chinese market and the price of a few minerals. In addition, the Sicomines deal won exemption from taxes until infrastructure and mining loans were fully repaid. This means that the DRC will not receive any substantial income from the agreement in the foreseeable future.

    The Sicomines agreement demonstrates one of the main problems with deals of this nature. It never included any guarantee of the actual value that the Congolese population would get in exchange for the country’s main source of wealth.

    https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/04/article/a-lesson-for-africa-the-congo-and-chinas-sicomines/

    The absolute genius of belt and road is that the peoples liberation army have absolutely no problem with openly bribing the kleptocratic elites of bankrupt countries to get the rights to loot the place.

    Why isn’t the traitors deal signed to hand over yarragrad open for inspection by the proles?.

    The traitors deal to sell out Darwin went through on the quiet, our elites like the power to sign whatever they want whenever they want for what they can get.

  22. Some History

    Apologies for the amount of information, but it should be posted at least once.

  23. JC

    Ent.

    I’m not sure the subsidy makes that much of a difference.

    Tesla hit the 200,000-vehicle mark earlier in 2018, triggering tax subsidies to phase out. Tesla buyers are still eligible for a $7,500 tax credit through the end of 2018, but subsidies fall to $3,750 per vehicle for the first half of the year before declining to $1,875 in the second half.

    Cost of a Range Rover in the US is ~ 90K
    Cost of a Tesla is $82,000

  24. twostix

    In a few decades when the new establishment is in order the history books will be written and everything happening today will simply be traced back to billions of dollars of Chinese money sloshing around the bugman classes being the driving force for most of our political decisions at current.

    It’s so obvious.

    I bet there will be lots of juicy things to, like that China is funding the Adani opposition so that it can get its hands on the basin for half the cost and things like that.

  25. John Constantine

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-19/can-darwin-port-99-year-lease-china-be-reversed-andrew-robb-role/10912478

    The peoples liberation army blueprint for dealing with third world corruptocracies continues in Darwin.

    the luxury hotel project was a further extension of the interests of the group, “an entrenchment of their strategic positions”, given its location on the waterfront, right next to Parliament House and Government House.

    “It’s a position from which they can exercise further soft power and ingratiate themselves and show how they’re contributing to the local community; many people will be celebrating that from the local council right up the line,” Dr Garrick said.

    Ultimately, he said the move was all about soft power and influence.

    The andrew broads of Darwin will be dating young chicks off sugardaddy websites in the Darwin hotel controlled by the chicom secret police. The security camera software will be programmed to target Darwins political class for leverage, and the sam dastardly’s will be getting hospitality they will love too much to give up.

  26. twostix

    I saw a Tesla the other day in real life.

    Looked shit.

  27. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    There’s no such thing as a Drake Equation, because it’s not really an equation as such.

    Okay, the “Drake Expectation Value”.

  28. Some History

    Then we have the other mega-wealth “philanthropies”

    Here’s CTFK and Bloomberg interfering in a multitude of countries:
    http://www.tobaccocontrolgrants.org/Pages/2/About-the-BI-Grants-Program

    Here’s Bill Gates (and the American Cancer Society) agitating in Africa:
    http://archive.tobacco.org/news/305574.html

  29. Some History

    Gates & Bloomberg agitating in developing nations:
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92864125

    “The Bloomberg Initiative recently teamed up with the World Health
    Organization to create a six-step guide to fighting the tobacco
    epidemic called MPOWER.”
    http://www.timeforkids.com/TFK/kids/news/story/0,28277,1826542,00.html

  30. John Constantine

    Mr Robb’s job with Landbridge commenced on July 1, 2016, according to a Four Corners – Fairfax Media 2017 joint investigation. That was the day before the 2016 federal election, that Mr Robb had stated months earlier he would not be contesting.

    Mr Robb was scathing in comments to the ABC last week about a “toxic” relationship between Australia and China that he blamed on former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull and Australia’s intelligence agencies.

    “I was in the National Security Committee, and I’ve gotta say I didn’t learn much more than I was reading in the papers for three years,” he said.

    A political on the national security committee, one reported as being influential in getting the port of Darwin handed to China, says everything he knows he gets from the abc and mainstream papers.

  31. roger

    Whenever we depart from voluntary cooperation and try to do good by using force, the bad moral value of force triumphs over good intentions.

    — Milton Friedman

    From Liberty Quotes just now.
    For the benefit of all the fwits over here who want govmint intervention into eweel Google, FB and Twitter

  32. Some History

    Rockefeller Bloomberg Gates
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3671369/

    Rockefeller Foundation 1976 – Duty to stay healthy (Gesundheitspflicht)
    “In a 1976 essay commissioned by Time, John H. Knowles, president of the Rockefeller Foundation, reviewed the rise of taxpayer-funded health insurance and declared that “the cost of sloth, gluttony, alcoholic overuse, reckless driving, sexual intemperance, and smoking is now a national, not an individual responsibility.” Writing in Daudalus the following year, he said, “I believe that the idea of a ‘right’ to health should be replaced by the idea of an individual moral obligation to preserve one’s own health – a public duty if you will”.
    For You Own Good: The Anti-Smoking Crusade and The Tyranny of Public Health (Jacob Sullum)

  33. Some History

    Rockefeller Foundation Malaysia 2005
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/219867540/10-Demand-Analysis-of-Tobacco-Consumption-in-Malaysia

    Rockefeller Foundation and Buddhism in Cambodia

    “One noteworthy project funded by the Rockefeller Foundation was the “Smoke-free Monks/Smoke-free Wats (temples)” focused on a faith-based approach to tobacco control and tobacco cessation in Cambodia”:
    http://www.researchgate.net/publication/51675204_Beliefs_About_Tobacco_Health_and_Addiction_Among_Adults_in_Cambodia_Findings_from_a_National_Survey

  34. Some History

    “The researchers examined the five largest US private and/or family foundations that focus considerably on global health – besides the Gates Foundation, the list included the Ford Foundation; W K Kellogg Foundation; the Rockefeller Foundation and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, which is a philanthropic outgrowth of a Johnson & Johnson founder.”
    [Rockefeller, Ford, and Kellogg were all enthusiastic backers of eugenics (in America and Germany) early last century. Kellogg was a eugenicist]
    http://www.essentialdrugs.org/edrug/archive/201104/msg00024.php

    The Rockefeller Foundation and Vietnam
    http://www.vietnambreakingnews.com/2011/11/society-in-brief-311/

  35. Some History

    American Cancer Society and its “outreach”
    http://cancer.blogs.com/international/2006/12/

    As we scrutinize anti-tobacco the same organizations and mega-wealth come up time and time again, many centered in America. There is now an interconnected network of Public health groups and so-called “charities” with global reach that clearly have vested [questionable] ideological and financial interests, all the while promoting themselves as the “righteous ones” protecting the world from “evil”. There is cross-funding between them, and they’ve poured billions of dollars into global anti-tobacco. This small group is altering cultures around the world. This continues the [American] tradition commenced early last century of the mega-wealthy abusing “philanthropy” to affect public policy. It’s a very sick situation on a far grander scale than a century ago.

  36. JC

    Stix

    The Model X is okay looking for an SUV and the interior also looks good too. The others not so much.

  37. JC

    Can anyone imagine the reaction from the green left if indeed we found a legit signal from across the heaven. Can you imagine the green left moralising that would go on? Omg, it would intolerable.

  38. Tintarella di Luna

    I saw a Tesla the other day in real life.

    Looked shit.

    Yep saw one driving down New South Head Road in Rose Bay, looked like a caricature of the car a baddie drives in Richie Rich

  39. mh

    That woman with meth and cash in her vag is pretty hot.

    If that’s a police mug shot it’s a good one.

    https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2019/08/08/louisiana-woman-claims-meth-hidden-inside-her-vagina-is-not-hers/

  40. Tintarella di Luna

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-19/can-darwin-port-99-year-lease-china-be-reversed-andrew-robb-role/10912478

    The peoples liberation army blueprint for dealing with third world corruptocracies continues in Darwin.

    Given that the law of the Northern Territory are subject to the law of the Commonwealth is there not the possibility that the entire thing vis a vis the 99 years lease of the Port of Darwin is somehow illegal?

  41. Tintarella di Luna

    Or could be made so ?

  42. Steve trickler

    Settle down, Pebble.



    This bird had previous owners…..loving people.

  43. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    JC
    #3127645, posted on August 9, 2019 at 10:26 pm

    Can anyone imagine the reaction from the green left if indeed we found a legit signal from across the heaven. Can you imagine the green left moralising that would go on? Omg, it would intolerable.

    In a way, I want this to happen.

    The Vogons do not take shit.

  44. Some History

    From just a week ago we see the perverse influence of the Heart Foundation on local councils in Australia.

    North Sydney Council’s smoking ban blasted by Steve Price
    Steve Price is severely unimpressed with a Sydney council that’s banned smoking in public places, telling the mayor it’s a “nanny state solution”.

    A ban on smoking in public places has not gone down well with radio host Steve Price, who grilled a Sydney mayor over her “nanny state solution”.
    Last night, North Sydney Council became the first authority in the city to outright ban the cancerous habit on public streets in the CBD — after a local study found 80 per cent of residents backed the move.
    However, nicotine addicts needn’t worry about spending time behind bars for indulging in a smoko on the lower north shore just yet, because there aren’t even any penalties currently in place for those who break the rules.
    Instead, signs will be installed and rangers will patrol the area to “educate” smokers on the changes.
    Inviting North Sydney Mayor Jilly Gibson on his 2GB show, Mr Price asked why the council wanted to take away his rights to indulge in a legal activity.
    What about the nonsmokers’ rights to walk through the streets of our CBD and not have to breathe in sidestream smoke?” Ms Gibson responded.
    “There’s a lot a smoking on the streets and a large amount of cigarette butt litter. So we will have a cleaner CBD and a healthier CBD.
    This is about setting community standards and encouraging our residents and workers to be part of positive community change.”
    However, the answer went down like sick in a cup with Mr Price who blasted the ban as a “nanny state solution” for a part of Sydney that is “advertising itself as an alternative to the CBD”.
    “What if I work in North Sydney, so don’t choose to live there … and I’m a smoker, what do I do?” he asked.
    Ms Gibson said people can simply smoke at home before and after work, but that was shot down by Mr Price as “impractical”.
    “Smokers used to use this same argument about not being able to fly long distances without smoking … that was totally unacceptable,” Ms Gibson responded.
    Elsewhere, Tamworth Regional Council has already introduced smoke-free zones and the Heart Foundation — which helped push through the North Sydney changes — is working with other councils around NSW to also change their policies.
    Heart Foundation CEO NSW, Kerry Doyle, told news.com.au the organisation is now making a submission to City of Melbourne council to increase the footprint of its CBD smoking ban.
    It is also making a submission to Hobart City Council, which subsequently committed to expanding its CBD smoking ban by April 2020.
    “The Heart Foundation congratulates North Sydney Council on its decision to ban smoking in its CBD,” said Ms Doyle.
    “It is a significant step forward in protecting the heart health of people who live and work in the area, and we encourage other councils around the country to follow North Sydney Council’s lead on this important issue
    .”
    Smoking is a leading cause of heart disease, which takes the lives of 51 Australians every single day.
    Laws that protect the public from second-hand smoke also help smokers to stay quit and de-normalise smoking behaviour,” added Ms Doyle.
    In a statement, Ms Gibson said she’s proud that North Sydney is “leading the way in this important change”.
    “There’s been a lot of interest in this proposal and I’m not surprised,” she said. “Second-hand smoke is detrimental to everyone’s health.”

    https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/north-sydney-councils-smoking-ban-blasted-by-steve-price/news-story/6514150ade9f28fd5cca730e68f33f47

  45. Some History

    So, we have a brainwashed mayor spouting inflammatory propaganda about “passive smoke” outdoors. We have the professional activist from the Heart Foundation promoting the inflammatory crap – fear/hate-mongering. And there are plenty of people stupid enough to believe the inflammatory crap (i.e., brainwashed).

  46. stackja

    Dubbo prison roof top protest ended when it got cold.

  47. Bruce in WA

    The Car That Almost Was

    In the department of What Might Have Been, we find a car almost no one who isn’t a car industry insider has ever heard of – but which very nearly was.

    I know most people hate my car (Sportage CRDi 2.0L turbo diesel), BUT … I fair give it stick around town (400Nm of torque is fun at the lights), and I still get better than 40 mpg on the old system.

    On a long country run, on cruise control at a steady 110 km/h (WA), without headwinds or too many hills, it nudges 50 mpg. I can’t ask for more.

  48. Bruce in WA

    I cop flak from people for constantly describing Michael Moore as a “sad and sorry sack of shit”.

    Why?

    It’s true!

  49. Whalehunt Fun

    Because he is not sad. He is happy with his money from lies.

  50. Whalehunt Fun

    He is a happy rich sack of sh__

  51. Whalehunt Fun

    What is the situation if I go to Sydney and light a cigarette and let it burn but never place it near my mouth. Can I correctly assert that I am not smoking? Indeed can I do this in the elevator inside my office building? Am I not smoking?

  52. Steve trickler

    A fantastic piece of work. Watch it with the lights off.



  53. Whalehunt Fun

    Will this sick mayoral piece of leftist fatuosity ban aborigine smoking ceremonies? Do I get to punch the stupid old fart in the face if he blows his stupid gum leaf smoke in my face?

  54. None

    Of course the fuckwitted North Sydney mayoress fascist has no care for how the little guy lives. https://www.realestate.com.au/news/north-sydney-mayor-jilly-gibbson-has-bought-a-kirribilli-apartment/
    The idea that anyone on Sydney’s traffic choked streets is going to get clean air if people stop smoking is also laughable.

  55. DrBeauGan

    Some of the natives don’t read Spanish. You have to be able to guess from their clothes and manner which ones are likely to be literate. The Google Translate does have a voice which reads it, but the internet is so slow it doesn’t always work.

    Third World problems.

  56. DrBeauGan

    I am scheduled to give Maria English lessons starting Monday. I have sent her a poem to translate into Spanish, with her not allowed to use Google Translate :

    0:00

    English Teeth, English Teeth! 
    Shining in the sun 
    A part of British heritage 
    Aye, each and every one. 
    English Teeth, Happy Teeth! 
    Always having fun 
    Clamping down on bits of fish 
    And sausages half done. 
    English Teeth! HEROES’ Teeth! 
    Hear them click! and clack! 
    Let’s sing a song of praise to them – 
    Three Cheers for the Brown Grey and Black.

    by Spike Milligan

  57. DrBeauGan

    Where’s Tom? It’s Friday afternoon here, so Saturday morning there. I guess he’s having a lie-in.

  58. Tom

    Wrong thread, Beaugy. Toons are here.

  59. DrBeauGan

    Thanks Tom, I’m seriously time zoned out.

  60. 1735099

    So, according to that work of fiction, “Mr Spud Goes To Mackay”.

    Everything I post is fact.
    The problem for many on this blog is that their ideological purity is so complete, that they cannot distinguish fantasy from fact.
    Reality hurts.
    So sad……

  61. 1735099

    These cars were also about half the price of the least expensive electric cars

    Total bullshit.
    Old mate reveals the price at 9.28.
    He comments that he was nervous driving it because of that price.
    UK price was 130000 pounds. That’s $230000 AU, about twelve times the least expensive electric car in Oz.
    Catallaxy, where politically pure fantasy and bullshit rule…..

  62. 1735099

    Today’s latest episode in the saga of Angus Taylor and some grass.

    Non no no, not that sort of grass…..

  63. Leigh Lowe

    Morning all.
    Windy eh?

  64. Mater

    Everything I post is fact.

    We’ve been through this before, Bob. Many times. Here’s but one.

    How is it a fact, Bob?

    Your statement:

    EV sales have doubled in Oz in the last 12 months.

    The article you linked to.
    1277 is NOT double 670. Therefore, not a fact.
    You do know what a fact is, don’t you?

    Ironically, you do seem to have trouble with numbers. Best you stay away from them. They are notoriously difficult to whitewash and manipulate without being found out. Stick with misrepresenting 20th century German history.

  65. 1735099

    Reading for my thesis is revealing all kinds of interesting material.
    This is for Johno –

    The first myth is that all the national servicemen who went to Vietnam volunteered for this assignment. This proposition is repeated in various Australian texts about the war, but Dapin demonstrates that it is not true. It was true that in the Great War and almost entirely in World War II all the Australians who served overseas were volunteers, and the same applied to those who were part of the National Service scheme of the 1950s and posted outside Australia. But the whole point of the conscription ballot, introduced in late 1964 by the Menzies government, was to boost the army with men who could be sent to fight overseas. This was the government’s explicit policy, and it would have been completely undermined if national servicemen had been allowed to refuse to go to Vietnam when their unit was posted there.

    From Michael Sexton’s review of Mark Dapin’s Australia’s Vietnam – Myth Vs History, that ZK2A is so fond of quoting.

  66. 1735099

    1277 is NOT double 670.

    Pretty close.
    What would have been your response if the figure was 1341?
    That’s not twice 670.
    Childish…..

  67. Leigh Lowe

    What percentage of Hillary Clinton is President, Spud?

  68. Mater

    Pretty close.
    What would have been your response if the figure was 1341?

    I would have agreed that it HAD doubled.

    ”Close is a lingerie shop without a front window.” (H/T Martin Riggs)

  69. Leigh Lowe

    Spud.
    A train leaves Toowoomba at 7:00 am travelling to Brisbane at 70 kmh.
    Another train leaves Brisbane at 8:00 am travelling at 75 mph.
    Where will they crash into each other due to public sector incompetence?

  70. Leigh Lowe

    Spud posts a link to his own blog as evidence of “fact”.
    Delusional.

  71. Mater

    Bob,
    Despite writing a book on your experiences, you can’t seem to determine whether you were 22 or 23 when you went to Vietnam. We’ve heard both versions on this blog.
    You can’t determine if you were deferred or not. We’ve heard both versions on this blog.
    You strenuously referenced an operations log which you claimed demonstrated how your superiors in Vietnam refused to evacuate a soldier, who subsequently died of heat exhaustion. When examined by an experienced operator and someone who is fluent in RATEL, that log showed nothing of the sort. You appeared not to have read it yourself prior to using it as a reference. I do hope your thesis is better researched.
    Your grasp of facts is bordering on your grasp of mathematics, even on a topic which you spent the last 50 years torturing yourself with.

  72. Mater

    Nature or nurture?

    Experts have called for an urgent national inquiry into the safety and ethics of ‘puberty blocker’ drugs reportedly being used in girls as young as nine and boys from 11 who are confused about their gender.

    New national figures ­obtained by The Australian under freedom of information legislation from major hospitals in NSW, Victoria, Western Australia and Queensland, show 2,415 children were referred for gender treatment between 2014 and 2018.

    Victoria has seen the biggest spike, with a 41 per cent increase in cases.

    The massive increase means there are more children referred for hormone drug treatments than there were transgender or gender diverse people in the whole country in 2016 – 1,260 according to Census data.

  73. notafan

    Very windy and quite a bit of rain.

  74. 1735099

    Despite writing a book on your experiences, you can’t seem to determine whether you were 22 or 23 when you went to Vietnam. We’ve heard both versions on this blog.

    You can’t read.
    Not my problem.

    You can’t determine if you were deferred or not. We’ve heard both versions on this blog.

    Again, you can’t tell the difference between active and passive tense. You also have no grasp of the NS Act. Temporary deferral (in my case 18 months) was automatic for someone in my situation. I turned 22 in training in Australia and 23 as a rifleman in 5 Platoon B Coy 7 RAR in SVN.

    You strenuously referenced an operations log which you claimed demonstrated how your superiors in Vietnam refused to evacuate a soldier, who subsequently died of heat exhaustion.

    The log is inconclusive because it lacks the relevant detail about decision making, although it clearly establishes the fact of the situation. Since then, I’ve retrieved my copy of “Contact, Wait Out”, and refer you to this account by a member of my platoon, present, as I was, when the incident occurred –

    We slowly proceed in Indian file through 6 platoon to the cente
    of the platoon and exchange one empty water bottle for a full one. As we approach the pile of full bottles, we can all see the fuss going on around “xxx”, and can hear the transmission from 6 platoon to either CHQ, or Battalion HQ), we are not sure which, but boy he is bloody ill, and by the grayish colour of his face looks like death warmed up, and after all we have been taught in our first aid lessons all about dehydration and the symptoms to lock for.

    p96
    And

    We have just been informed that xxx was lifted out to the Yank base Blackhorse, as we know it, just after first light this morning. However, he was dead on arrival, and as much as they tried to revive him, they couldn’t. Christ shit should hit the fan over this.

    p97
    Contact Wait Out – A Vietnam Diary – Bruce Ravenscroft.

    Now this accords with my memory, and my narrative in my book.
    So the facts are these.
    1. This soldier had been very ill for at least twenty four hours. (You’ll recall that I saw him in the middle of the day, but couldn’t remember whether the medivac request was that day, or the day after). Ravo’s account shows (flown out at “first light” next day) it was the day after.
    2. He died of heat exhaustion when he could have been saved by an immediate evacuation. Hindsight is wonderful, but would this digger still be alive today if common sense had prevailed?
    3. We had major contact a few days later in he same area, so the notion that a chopper evacuation would chase the VC away from the location was a false premise.
    The impact of this incident was severe on our morale. From here on in, we knew that our lives were less important than a body count.

  75. BrettW

    “transgender or gender diverse people in the whole country in 2016 – 1,260 according to Census data”.

    and yet the rights and feelings of these 1260 (plus some more obviously since then) seem to outweigh the rights of women. How much time, effort and money has the country spent trying to placate this very small group.

    No surprise VIC leading the way.

  76. Mater

    Nice post, Bob. Who owns who?

  77. BrettW

    Oops, sucked into the wrong thread ! I blame Leigh.

  78. Mater

    From here on in, we knew that our lives were less important than a body count.

    Sort of correct. Your lives were less important than achieving the mission, or you wouldn’t have been there.
    Welcome to war.

  79. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Nice post, Bob. Who owns who?

    This blog owns Numbers Ho. He just can’t stay away from it.

  80. notafan

    Exactly mater.

    As it ever had been.

  81. Mater

    The impact of this incident was severe on our morale

    Your morale was tip-top from the moment you embarked until then, I’m sure.

  82. 1735099

    Welcome to war.

    No, welcome to political expediency.
    When you know damn well that the only reason you’re there is to keep a sclerotic Coalition government in power which used hysteria over the red menace to hold on to DLP preferences, you understand the reality.
    The lives of 200 plus Nashos who died in Vietnam was worth more than that.
    Shameful and sad.

  83. Mater

    Case in point.
    So by your own admission, the heat exhaustion incident had nothing to do with your already shitty morale.

  84. Top Ender

    The anniversaries of the nuclear bombings always brings out accusatory articles. This one is a bit much:

    To the Allies, Germany was a fellow white power with which they had temporarily fallen out; but Japan was an enemy alien, a nation apart. That was why the architects of the Holocaust in Europe were never mentioned as candidates for a ‘humanitarian’ bombing such as Hiroshima. Instead, the atomic bomb was aimed solely at the Japanese. They were considered legitimate targets because the Western powers considered them to be a lower race; as president Truman put it in the letter quoted above, the Japanese were no better than ‘beasts’, and to be treated accordingly.

    The author might want to look at some statistics.

    POWs captured by the Germans had an excellent chance of survival:

    35% of POWs were dying – a grim figure compared to those captured by the Germans during the war, with 0.9% there losing their lives.

    Of 22,376 Australian prisoners of war captured by the Japanese, 8,031 died – 36% of those held.

    Another analysis arrives at nearly the same figure: “Of the 140,000 Americans held by the Japanese, 34 percent – 47,000 – would die in captivity.”

    Sources:
    Australian War Memorial. “General information about Australian prisoners of the Japanese.” https://www.awm.gov.au/articles/encyclopedia/pow/general_info Accessed June 2017.

    Sweeney, Major General Charles W. War’s End: an Eyewitness Account of America’s Last Atomic Mission. New York: Avon Books, 1997. (p. 142-3)

  85. Jo:

    Watched quite a bit of Tucker Carlson’s clip. Unbelievable, these crazed people are off the planet.

    Unfortunately, I’m “Not Permitted to Watch This Video.”
    Didn’t realise my mum had come back to life.

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