Tuesday Forum: August 6, 2019

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  1. Nob

    Won’t somebody think about the children?

    the poor mozzie children!

  2. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Compulsory paternity checks are legislated to identify the male involved, and when identified, the father confined to nine months (for symmetry) in clink, or someplace similar, irrespective of circumstances, and upon release be held 50% financially responsible for the welfare of the child.
    Both parties are responsible.
    Both parties accept the consequences.

    Insane, and I mean fucking insane cuckoldry.

    Please leave your [email protected] in a jar near the door, jellyback

  3. Tel

    I expect you would have to have a legitimate and legal reason to do so.
    A nightclub is a different sort of service provision anyway. Hardly just a ‘carriage medium’.

    If the bar is a public bar then it gets licensed under the very old innkeepers rules as a “public house”.

    The question of exclusion has come up many times before.

    https://archive.org/stream/cu31924059769798/cu31924059769798_djvu.txt

    Restriction of accommodation to certain classes.

    It is uncertain on the authorities how far an innkeeper may consent to receive only a certain class of guests. It is no doubt competent for an innkeeper to fix the character of his entertainment so high that his reasonable charges will shut out all but wealthy or well-to-do patrons. “He does not absolutely engage to receive every person who comes to his house, but only such as are capable of pajong a compensation suitable to the accommodation provided.”

    If, however, a person applies for such accommodation and is prepared to pay the price demanded, the innkeeper could hardly refuse to receive the guest on the ground that he was a poor man, and ought not to afford such an entertainment. Nor it would seem could he justify a refusal to receive a guest on the ground that he belongs to an unpopular race or profession. It is said, to be sure, in State v. Steele,” that a person who would be obnoxious to all the other guests might be excluded, and this opinion would justify the exclusion of a person because he belonged to an unpopular race or was of a despised color. It is not likely, however, that the law would permit an innkeeper to tender his house for the use only of members of a certain race, or to persons of a certain color; yet in Johnson v. Midland Railway^* Baron Parke said: “A man may keep an inn for those persons only who come in their own carriages. ” This doctrine is a very doubtful one; but it is doubtless competent for an innkeeper to entertain guests of different classes in different rooms or reqioire them to eat at separate tables, provided each gets reasonable accommodations.^*

    In the case of a private club which is invite only, I believe there might still be licensing today but the older laws largely allowed private to be private and leave it at that. There were also the various fraternities and friendly societies for a while which offered similar services to a well know list of members. The Internet appears to be revisiting all of these concepts.

  4. JC

    Head prefect, the guy deserves double that rate for cleaning up your crap.

    Sure, he may do, but it hardly speaks of the the middle class being hard done by, here in Australia, does it? That is, unless you think 250 bucks an hour is chump change. The plumber is the typical middle class schlep that Artie is whining for.

  5. Nob

    JC
    #3125031, posted on August 6, 2019 at 6:23 pm

    Ummm, they haven’t eggsactly uncoupled from the global energy market. The US is building terminals to export as much as they can

    Yep.
    Right into Australia’s pet markets Taiwan, Korea, Japan. And China.
    Meanwhile Russia is aiming their Siberian gas pipelines and LNG terminals at the same markets.

    Australia keeps awarding itself pay rises as if nothing is happening.

  6. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Anyway, a deeply cutting commentary on our fractured modern lives:

  7. bespoke

    Numberwang like’s to use plausible deniability when supporting people the do advocate late term abortion then pivots and accuses others of gilt by association.

    Special needs kid: Why did you vote the that person who wants to people like me for convenience?

    Numberwang: I only voted for them I don’t support there policies.

    Special needs kid: You are beyond stupid old man.

  8. JC

    Does anyone believe the Australian and the US middle class for that matter, is worse off than it was 40 years ago? Yes or no?

  9. notafan

    Give it a rest Peter.

    You make far more comments about people responding to mumblewang than I do actually responding to him.

    Nothing wrong with morals, by the way. They are essential for a civilized society

    Civility (and probably morality given your neverending whinging about it) being something clearly unfamiliar to you.

  10. JC

    Here’s more on the myth of middle class income stagnation in the US. Actually, this applies to every economic class. It’s total bullshit.

  11. Nob

    JC
    #3125042, posted on August 6, 2019 at 6:30 pm
    Does anyone believe the Australian and the US middle class for that matter, is worse off than it was 40 years ago? Yes or no?

    The main thing I see is that my kids are finding it harder to get started on “the housing ladder”.
    But they’re living the high life in most other ways, compared to me at that age.

  12. Bruce of Newcastle

    Israel does Hammer’s Slammers:

    Israel unveils prototype ‘tanks of the future’

    Israel unveiled options Sunday for its “combat vehicle of the future”—a tank with large touchscreens, 360-degree vision and, in one prototype, a video game-style controller.

    The ministry of defence wants to procure an armoured vehicle that can be operated by two soldiers instead of four with the hatch closed, something officials involved in the project say would be a unique achievement.

    The ministry tasked three Israeli companies—state-owned Israel Aerospace Industries and Rafael Advanced Defence Systems, along with Elbit Systems—with drumming up ideas.

    The so-called Carmel project, launched three years ago, aims to develop not the vehicle itself, but its brains and sensors, which can be installed into existing tanks.

    All three firms succeeded in reducing the number of soldiers to two.

    The vehicles also have options for autonomous driving and target identification with the help of sensors and cameras, along with artificial intelligence and other features.

    All they need is a fusion reactor to power it and and copper activated plasma main armament to toast bad guys with and they’ll have duplicated the Icarus Industries M2 “Ursa” Hover Tank.

    Given the Arrow 3 results they just might do it too.

    Israel, U.S. carry out successful test of Arrow-3 missile over Alaska (29 July)

  13. cohenite

    Tel

    #3125036, posted on August 6, 2019 at 6:25 pm

    I expect you would have to have a legitimate and legal reason to do so.
    A nightclub is a different sort of service provision anyway. Hardly just a ‘carriage medium’.

    If the bar is a public bar then it gets licensed under the very old innkeepers rules as a “public house”.

    The question of exclusion has come up many times before.

    https://archive.org/stream/cu31924059769798/cu31924059769798_djvu.txt

    The old invitations to treat variations are not something the media platforms can hide behind because if, like the vindicated bakers who refused the gay activists, the platforms refuse or restrict users they can’t then hide behind the innocent disseminator argument or refuse demands by the sources of information published on the platform for payment.

  14. Infidel Tiger

    Fme JC. The Heritage Foundation are complete scum.

    It is the econometric obsessed think tank culture that has destroyed the middle class.

    Does anyone believe the Australian and the US middle class for that matter, is worse off than it was 40 years ago? Yes or no?

    It is inarguable. By every measure except the ability to buy cheaper Chinese made plastic vomit we are worse off.

  15. JC

    Nob

    I’m not convinced people HAVE to buy a house. In fact, If I was young and starting over it would be the last thing I’d do.

  16. bespoke

    the plumber I used to repair a leak. He was here with an apprentice for about 5 hours and I received an $1800 bill. That would put the senior dude on at least 250 bucks an hour.

    You have a S marked on your forehead JC.

  17. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    The most commonly used measures of inflation suffer from persistent and well-documented biases.

    False. What they tried to debunk (falling incomes) wasn’t even true anyway.

    Inflation was underestimated in the 1990s. Inflation will always equal excess M1 growth exceeding national income growth. Always. The difficulty, of course, is that money is not neutral, the Fisher equation breaks down in very high base growth periods and that bank leverage (credit multiplier) changes over time and intermediation is no longer based solely from the deposit core.

    However, we’re clearly better off though than we were in 1979.

    The problem is that over a long enough time period, price comparisons become less and less meaningful.

    How does a worker now compare their lifestyle or income to J D Rockefeller?

  18. JC

    Fme JC. The Heritage Foundation are complete scum.

    Oh okay, great argument refuting what he wrote.

    It is inarguable. By every measure except the ability to buy cheaper Chinese made plastic vomit we are worse off.

    Then buy the Swiss coffer maker instead of the Chinese version. It will cost you three times more, but hey, it’s only money right?

  19. johanna

    I had to go to the grab n go medical clinic today to get my scripts refilled, at taxpayers expense.

    By way of background, I am an old, white woman with arthritis.

    Evidently fired up by recent reports about how doctors were fuelling the opoid death crisis, she treated me like a junkie, until I reminded her that she had written the scripts for the previous two three month periods. If that was the case, how come?

    She backed off, as well she should have.

    Meanwhile, I lunched recently with a friend whose daughter is a GP. She did an internship in a Canberra practice where she was told to give patients pretty much whatever they asked for, because it helped them to gain trust or something. She was horrified, and got out asap. The practice was specially identified as being a ‘harm minimisation for intravenous drug users’ outfit, therefore exempt from the rules. According to my friend’s daughter, it was not just the drugs, but the dosages, that freaked her out. In a normal practice, you might give out 50mg of something once or twice a week, but there it would be 250mg several times a day.

    I don’t actually care if junkies suffer chronic constipation and early death because of addiction to prescription drugs. But I deeply resent being tarred with the same brush because the gummint can’t tell the difference.

  20. JC

    You have a S marked on your forehead JC.

    10 years or so. It’s taken 10 fucking years to solve the problem and I’ll find out if he has in the next decent bout of rain. He’s plugged the other leak about 3 months ago.

  21. vr

    Hey JC — Did ya see that Barneys filed for bankruptcy protection? They had the best sales…

  22. Infidel Tiger

    I’m not convinced people HAVE to buy a house. In fact, If I was young and starting over it would be the last thing I’d do.

    Renter societies are inherently unstable and socialist.

    Human history has shown us that families need a home they own.

    This of course is beyond the ken of the beep boop “look at the data, the sacred textbooks are never wrong” autists.

  23. calli

    Does anyone believe the Australian and the US middle class for that matter, is worse off than it was 40 years ago? Yes or no?

    If cars are anything to go by, no.

    My daughter just bought herself a Merc. At her age, I had a Corolla hatchback. 🙂

  24. JC

    However, we’re clearly better off though than we were in 1979.

    Frank, if you claim that then how on earth could the Heritage piece be incorrect. If the claim is that real income has stagnated for the past 40 years then people are not better off.

    You’re contradicting yourself here.

  25. JC

    Renter societies are inherently unstable and socialist.

    Like Switzerland?

  26. JC

    Home Ownership Rate in Switzerland decreased to 42.50 percent in 2016 from 43.40 percent in 2015. Home Ownership Rate in Switzerland averaged 43.77 percent from 2010 until 2016, reaching an all time high of 44.50 percent in 2014 and a record low of 42.50 percent in 2016.

  27. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Oh noes!
    Now I have attracted the attention of the Site Chief Wrongologist, and Member of the Catallaxy Committee For High Moral Standards. What dastardly punishment will she invoke?

    Please oh Lord, please don’t let her unleash the token beta male so that together they can partake of a pile on while I’m watching Deadpool.

    I couldn’t live with the shame.

  28. calli

    I don’t actually care if junkies suffer chronic constipation and early death because of addiction to prescription drugs. But I deeply resent being tarred with the same brush because the gummint can’t tell the difference.

    Same as the appalling frisking I was dished out at JFK airport last week. And I mean a going over – it was only just short of a strip search. At sixty three, I was considered a terrorism risk, or something.

    The Beloved complained. Meh.

  29. Infidel Tiger

    Like Switzerland?

    Switzerland is hardly the argument one wants to make for the open society.

    If you can reorder the west to look like Switzerland then we can talk.

  30. JC

    Which is more socialist – Switzerland or Australia, Artie?

    Home ownership in Australia decreased to 67% in 2011, the lowest level in over 50 years. Tasmania has the highest home-ownership rate at 70%, and the Northern Territory the lowest at 46%. As of the 2016 Census, home ownership in Australia decreased even further, to 65%.

  31. stackja

    Arctic winds to being cold snap for Sydney later in the week

    Arctic winds will sweep across New South Wales bringing a metre of snow, severe weather warnings and frosty temperatures. The cold front is expected to hit Sydney on Thursday night bringing strong winds and five degree drop in temperature.
    Mitchell Van Homrigh, The Daily Telegraph
    Subscriber only

    August 6, 2019 5:24pm

    Arctic winds will sweep across New South Wales bringing a metre of snow, severe weather warnings and frosty temperatures.

    Wild weather systems from Western Australia and the Bass Strait will combine before moving over NSW on Thursday with heavy snowfall, damaging gale-force winds and freezing temperatures expected.

    It will be a dramatic change of pace for Sydneysiders who have been enjoying top temperatures of 22 degrees.

  32. JC

    Switzerland is hardly the argument one wants to make for the open society.

    Why? In fact it’s a fantastic example. It’s exhibit A.

  33. calli

    Arctic winds to being cold snap for Sydney later in the week

    Gosh. They’ve come a long way just to pick on Oz.

  34. zyconoclast

    Mexico on Sunday threatened to take legal action against the United States for failing to protect its citizens after this weekend’s mass shooting in the border city of El Paso.

    Of the 20 people gunned down at a Walmart adjacent to the Cielo Vista Mall, at least seven were Mexican citizens, and Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard promised Mexico City will act.

    In a statement, the Foreign Ministry called the attack in El Paso a “terrorist act against innocent Mexicans.”

  35. johanna

    Some here might remember old time advice columns, a la Miss Manners or Dear Abby. Well, here is the contemporary version:

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    Daniel Mallory Ortberg is online weekly to chat live with readers. Here’s an edited transcript of this week’s chat.

    Daniel Mallory Ortberg: Good morning, all! Let’s chat.

    Q. Is this creepy, or am I overly sensitive? My wife and I are both in our late 60s and have been married five years. We are both in good health, although I have a few chronic issues that we manage with medication. For some reason, these conditions have convinced her that she will outlive me. She often tells me about how sad she will be without me and how hard it will be to “go on.” It is to the point that my children joke that if I die suddenly, they will request a toxicology screen! When I tell her that her comments make me uncomfortable and are in bad taste, she says that it is statistically more likely I will die first and that she is just stating the facts. Am I overreacting, or is this just plain creepy?

    A: It sounds like this is the only way your wife knows how to talk about death with you. I don’t think it’s necessarily the healthiest way imaginable, but her anxieties are understandable, even if the way she’s broaching the subject doesn’t sit well with you. I think the best way to respond in the moment is to offer her the opportunity to have a real conversation about what thus far she’s only been able to hint at, namely end-of-life care, how one of you might face widow/widowerhood, illness and death, etc. Whether or not she takes you up on that, you certainly have the grounds to say, “I don’t want to talk about our future together as if it’s determined by an actuarial table, and at this point you can trust I am extremely aware that I’m statistically likelier to die first. You are not giving me new information by repeating that, but you are making me feel like you’re already preparing for my funeral.”

    Q. To lie or not to lie? My 15-year-old wants me to take her to a Pride festival in a nearby town. I completely support her, and I want her to be happy and live her life. However, she has a friend, possibly headed toward a first girlfriend, whose parents are not so supportive. My daughter wants to invite her to go with us, but she wants me to lie about where we are going. This girl is not out to her parents, and I don’t want to be the one to out her. I know how much this means to my daughter and her friend, and I want to be there for them. However, I am very uncomfortable with lying to anyone. I don’t like lying in any situation, ever, and I have always taught my kids the importance of honesty and telling the truth. I told my daughter that I would not offer any information, but I would not lie if asked directly. She says that is not enough. Am I wrong?

    A: If you were an aunt or a family friend, I’d feel pretty comfortable saying, “Yeah, absolutely, go for it and lie,” but since this is your daughter’s friend and you’ll probably have to interact with her parents in the future, I understand your reluctance. That said, they’re both 15 years old and looking for queer support—that’s pretty crucial and, I think, worth helping them access. It’s also a little hard for me to imagine that you’re going to be grilled by this girl’s parents. Is it normal, at that age, for parents to speak directly to one another about where one is spending the day? It may just be that things have changed a lot since I was a kid, but at 15 I’d often spend a day out with friends and only give my parents a vague update about where I was going. I can certainly imagine her telling her parents that you’re all going out for the day, shopping and sightseeing and getting lunch, and them not pressing for further details. I can also imagine your daughter might decide to skip the weakest link and get another ride to Pride; there is a limit to scrupulous honesty, and if you really don’t think you can see your way to declining to share information with a teenager’s homophobic parents, your daughter might have to circumvent you more and more often in the future.
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    Q. Cat-napping: My roommate lost her damn mind over some guy she met online. She blew off her work, friends, and responsibilities to go be with him in another state. I came home to a note and 20 bucks on the counter to feed her cat. She was gone for two months with no way to reach her. I had to cover the cost of the apartment myself, and I couldn’t afford it. I talked with my landlord, and she let me out of the lease a month early. I lost the deposit, but at least it didn’t affect my credit. I moved out but left all my roommate’s stuff behind. I was worried about the cat, so I asked around and got a friend of a friend to take him. I called, emailed, and left messages on social media for my roommate. Got nothing back. And I have no clue about her family. Out of the blue, my roommate contacted me raging. Her little love affair ended badly, and she was pissed she didn’t have a job or place to stay. She accused me of stealing from her and started whining about her “baby.” I told her she owed me over three grand and that I had zero obligation to take care of her pet. She obviously didn’t care what happened to the cat, and he was better off in the care of someone else. She screamed at me, and I hung up and blocked her. I didn’t have to take care of the cat. If I left him at the apartment, the cat would have gone to the pound and been dead by now. I think I did what I could here. Right?

    A: Right.

    Q. When is it stalking? I have a question that is more theoretical than an actual problem, but I hope you can still help. I got married seven years ago, and my husband and I are very happy. We met when an old friend of mine had a party we both attended. I had always thought the meeting was an accident/kismet/fated—whatever word you use for “meant to be.” But recently I found out that it wasn’t. In fact, my husband had seen me and thought I was someone he’d like to know. But being a little shy, he didn’t want to approach me. So he found someone who knew someone who knew someone who knew me, and got an invitation to the party and … well, pretty much love at first sight. He was always upfront about this—he actually told me about it on our first official date two days after the party. It never bothered me, and I always thought it was sweet. But recently I mentioned it to an acquaintance, and she said it was stalking and “weird.” What do you say?

    A: Your husband fished around for an excuse to be introduced to someone he thought was cute through a few mutual friends; at no point did he violate your boundaries, try to control you, follow you around, or repeatedly bother you with invitations you’d already turned down. Then the two of you went on a lovely first date, he confessed to the slight subterfuge, you were charmed, and it sounds like he’s behaved appropriately and reasonably ever since. It’s a cute story, and your acquaintance was way out of line.

    Q. Don’t want to be the mean girl: I would love to get your advice on an increasingly awkward situation. I am fortunate to have a lovely group of friends, all professionals, both partnered and single, who have met by lucky happenstance at a low-key neighborhood “watering hole.” We are a group of 10 or so, and we meet up for dinners out, dinners in at someone’s house, group activities, traveling, etc. Not everyone can attend all the things, but we are open and upfront about group plans. Enter “Karen,” who works at said neighborhood watering hole. She is obviously lonely, without much social interaction. Due to her job, she often overheard us making plans and commented on them, so we would casually include her, because we hated to see anyone excluded.

    Fast forward 18 months, and she has been through some lousy things in her personal life. Now every time we go to the neighborhood watering hole, we all get treated to a verbal dump of how bad her life/husband/parents/other job is. She’s such a downer that we’ve started to avoid her and make plans via text so she can’t overhear. This feels really bad to me, and I’m trying to decide what level of honesty is appropriate, given that I consider us friendly acquaintances, and her interpretation of our relationship is that we have a much deeper connection. I dislike the feeling that she observes us all leave the neighborhood watering hole with plans for further socializing that we’ve all arranged via “secret” communiqué. I’ll be clear that we have all made a lot of efforts to support her (emotionally and financially) during her ongoing struggles, though we did it in a very professional manner (giving her an appreciation gift at work, offering her paid housesitting work, etc.). So what say you? We now know why she doesn’t have a lot of friends, because she’s pretty off-putting, but we don’t want to be a nasty clique.

    A: I don’t mean to suggest you don’t have a problem here—your discomfort is understandable—but I think a lot of the pressure you’re experiencing right now is coming from the inside. You’ve developed a fairly workable solution where you occasionally let Karen vent, often make arrangements to meet up with your friends elsewhere because Karen’s not a great dinner companion, and you’ve decided to see her less often. That strikes me as pretty reasonable. If you sometimes feel guilty that she sees you leave her bar, the solution there is to let go of that guilt, not to stop going out. If “not spending time with every un-self-aware boor who wants to invite themselves along” makes a group of friends a nasty clique, then there are a lot of nasty cliques in the world. I think you should keep doing exactly what you’re doing.

    You might also consider starting to ask her, politely but briskly, to cut her hardship monologues short when she starts monopolizing the conversation. My guess is that your fear is that Karen will someday turn on you and, ignoring everything you’ve ever done for her, will only care about all the times you didn’t invite her out, condemn her boyfriend and her parents and her bosses for hours on end, let her direct the conversation for an entire evening, etc., culminating in calling you a “nasty clique” and trying to make you all feel guilty for liking one another’s company and being good friends. If an unreasonable person hates you for unreasonable reasons, that doesn’t mean you have to do anything about it—it just means they’re being unreasonable. I think “keeping Karen happy” or “living up to Karen’s expectations” should no longer be a goal of yours. So what if someday Karen thinks you are mean? Her definition of mean is not reasonable! What you want is to see your friends and get a nice dinner in the neighborhood. Keep your conversations with Karen brief and upbeat, cut her off when she starts to ramble, and don’t let her keep using the fact that you feel guilt easily to control you.

    That’s the world of Democrats. No wonder they are miserable.

    It should be noted that the advice columnist used to be a woman called Mallory, but is now a ‘man’ called Daniel.

    Probably would have lost the column otherwise. Gotta keep up.

  36. zyconoclast

    Turkey Threatens to Reignite European Migrant Crisis

    We are facing the biggest wave of migration in history. If we open the floodgates, no European government will be able to survive for more than six months. We advise them not to try our patience.” — Turkish Interior Minister Süleyman Soylu.

    “Turkey is fully committed to the objective of EU membership… The finalization of the Visa Liberalization Dialogue process which will allow our citizens to travel to the Schengen area without a visa, is our first priority.” — Statement released by the Turkish Foreign Ministry, May 9, 2019.

    “This doesn’t mean that I have anything against the Turks…. But if we begin to explain it — that Turkey is in Europe — European school students will have to be told that the European border lies in Syria. Where’s common sense? … Can Turkey be regarded a European country culturally, historically, and economically speaking? If we say that, we want the European Union’s death.” — Former French President Nicolas Sarkozy.

    If the EU approves the visa waiver, tens of millions of Turks will gain immediate and unimpeded access to Europe’s passport-free zone. Critics of visa liberalization fear that millions of Turkish nationals may end up migrating to Europe. The Austrian newsmagazine, Wochenblick, reported that 11 million Turks are living in poverty and “many of them are dreaming of moving to central Europe.”

  37. Geriatric Mayfly

    Evidently fired up by recent reports about how doctors were fuelling the opoid death crisis, she treated me like a junkie,

    A humble request for Valium ran into a similar brick wall of the raised eyebrow. 50 might last 6 months or more, depending on lower lumbar behaviour. Are you worried that I might turn into a junkie at my age I enquired. Quick as a flash – you might fall over on your way to the toot in the night. There is an assumption there to begin with. Request denied.

  38. Bruce of Newcastle

    Sadly the pain in Hawaii doesn’t stay mainly on the plain.

    Still blocked from Hawaii peak, telescope seeks Spain permit

    The group behind a $1.4 billion telescope planned for Hawaii is applying for a permit to build in Spain as ongoing protests and a human blockade prevent them from starting construction on Mauna Kea, Hawaii’s highest peak that some people consider sacred.

    Canary Islands Astrophysics Institute Director Rafael Rebolo told the AP on Monday that he received a letter from the head of the Thirty Meter Telescope saying its board recently decided “to proceed with the request to seek a building permit” for the island of La Palma.

    “We are observing what is happening in Hawaii with the maximum respect,” said Rebolo, the point man for the alternative site in Spain’s Canary Islands.

    Know the feeling, every time a smoking ceremony is carried out. Fortunately there weren’t any inhabitants of the Canary Islands for progeny to protest giant telescopes in the 21stC. The canaries don’t seem to mind telescopes.

  39. stackja

    SAID HANRAHAN

    “We’ll all be rooned,” said Hanrahan,
    In accents most forlorn,
    Outside the church, ere Mass began,
    One frosty Sunday morn.

  40. Geriatric Mayfly

    Arctic winds to being cold snap for Sydney later in the week

    It’s the dreaded Vortex roaming free.

  41. Tintarella di Luna

    Mother Lode
    #3124856, posted on August 6, 2019 at 1:41 pm

    Mother Lode – I read a couple of books quite a few years ago by Melinda Tankard Reist who was for twelve years was policy adviser to the last politician who fulsomely and consistently defended and championed the rights to life of the unborn, Senator Brian Harradine. Defiant Birth tells a number of the stories of women who defied their gynaecologists/obstetricians’ advice to abort their babies and Giving Sorrow Words – deals with the lives of women after their abortions, unlike the previous book, this book chronicles harrowing tales of women who never got over their abortions, some were coerced, some decided against their better judgment but all carried deep psychological scars, one woman was never able to have children again.

    I think there is very little research done on this because feminist bravado does not allow it, it would be tantamount to sacrilege to find any chink in the armour of the marauding feminist warrior who derides sentimentality about excising a clump of cells.

  42. zyconoclast

    Narco Shootouts Rock Mexico City, Shattering Its Haven Status

    Mexico City had always been a haven from the beheadings and mass graves that beset the country. But as homicides have risen year after year, it began to look more like the rest of Mexico. Since leftist President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador took power in December, crime has become topic No. 1 in conversations in cafes and bars and offices.

  43. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    SAID HANRAHAN

    Hanrahan was the patron saint of broadacre farmers in the Wheatbelt…

  44. JC

    I was watching SBS over dinner and heard the reader say that Greenland has lost 60% of its ice sheet. Dunno from when to when, but is this true?

  45. zyconoclast

    It’s Time to Declare War on White-Nationalist Terrorism

    We need all the tools we can muster — legal, rhetorical, financial, and cultural.
    It’s time to face some dreadful, terrible facts. The United States is now facing a deadly challenge from a connected, radical, online-organizing community of vicious white-nationalist terrorists. They are every bit as evil as [email protected], and they radicalize in much the same way. And just like the 1S1S terr0r1sts our nation and our allies have confronted in the great cities of the West, they use the most modern of tools to advance the oldest of hatreds.

  46. bespoke

    Numberwang like’s to use plausible deniability when supporting people that do advocate late term abortion then pivots and accuses others of gilt by association.

    Special needs kid: Why did you vote the that person who wants to kill people like me for convenience?

    Numberwang: I only voted for them I don’t support there policies.

    Special needs kid: You are beyond stupid old man.

  47. zyconoclast

    San Francisco airport announces ban on sales of plastic water bottles

    The days of picking up a plastic bottle of water to stay hydrated during a long flight will soon be over for people flying out of San Francisco’s international airport (SFO).
    The airport, which restricted the distribution of single-use plastic straws when the city law went into effect in July, is now banning convenience shops, restaurants and vending machines from selling plastic water bottles. Starting on 20 August, only water in glass, recycled aluminum, or certified compostable materials can be sold.
    The change is a part of SFO’s five-year strategic plan. Launched in 2016, the plan includes SFO becoming a zero “waste-to-landfill” facility by 2021, asstated on its website.

  48. zyconoclast

    Energy giants argue for more local oil drilling as potential US fuel deal widens

    The Morrison government has vetoed a push to spend billions of dollars on a vast new fuel storage network, as energy giants argue a new era of oil drilling off Australia’s coast will help prevent a global supply crisis.
    New details have also emerged of a possible deal to access millions of barrels of oil owned by the US, which Energy Minister Angus Taylor says is a “sensible, low-cost option” to absorb the shockwaves of a major disruption in the Middle East or south-east Asia.

    “The whole point of this is to minimise costs. What we don’t want to do is establish a physical reserve at very high costs in Australia and pass it on to consumers at the bowser,” he said.

    In the event that Australia’s oil supply was disrupted and existing stocks ran dry, the US oil would be released from Texas and Louisiana and shipped to Melbourne or Sydney within three weeks.
    However, the deal could also be broadened to a “lease” arrangement, giving Australia enough immediate ownership over the US oil to finally make it compliant with the 90-day obligation.

  49. Geriatric Mayfly

    I was watching SBS over dinner and heard the reader say that Greenland has lost 60% of its ice sheet. Dunno from when to when, but is this true?

    Other reports suggest it all went in the past few weeks.

  50. stackja

    Tintarella di Luna
    #3125081, posted on August 6, 2019 at 7:08 pm
    Mother Lode
    #3124856, posted on August 6, 2019 at 1:41 pm

    Giving Sorrow Words – deals with the lives of women after their abortions, unlike the previous book, this book chronicles harrowing tales of women who never got over their abortions, some were coerced, some decided against their better judgment but all carried deep psychological scars, one woman was never able to have children again.

    The words that must not be spoken?

  51. Roger

    The Austrian newsmagazine, Wochenblick, reported that 11 million Turks are “dreaming of moving to central Europe”.

    And not for the first time.

  52. MatrixTransform

    Does anyone believe the Australian and the US middle class for that matter, is worse off than it was 40 years ago?

    in relative terms or absolute?

    absolute terms… better standard of living. Cleaner, healthier…dont have to shit in the long drop at the back of Nan’s block

    Relative terms … no assets to speak of, a mortgage and an uncertain economy. Sy=tuff seems to escape at escape velocity

    Who gets the certainty?

    the best scammer thats who.

    JC and the plumber are in the same business

  53. MatrixTransform

    NataClue lecturing on civility …lol

  54. JC

    Mayfly

    I went skulking around and found this.

    Last Thursday, August 1, the Greenland ice sheet experienced its largest single-day volume loss on record, sending an estimated 12.5 billion tons of ice pouring into the ocean. Per a Twitter post by climate scientist Martin Stendel, the amount of ice collectively lost on Thursday and Wednesday—the ice sheet’s biggest surface melt day since 2012, with around 60 percent of the frozen expanse undergoing at least 1 millimeter of melting—would be enough to cover Florida in almost five inches of water.

    As Andrew Freedman and Jason Samenow report for the Washington Post, Thursday’s melting event outpaced all data collected since 1950, when scientists first started tracking the ice sheet’s daily mass loss.

    “This model, which uses weather data and observations to build a record of ice and snowfall, and net change in mass of the ice sheet, is remarkably accurate,” Ted Scambos, a senior researcher at Colorado’s National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC), tells the Post. “I would accept the result as fact.”

    The momentous single-day melt followed another record-breaking episode recorded the day before. According to the Polar Portal, a monitoring website run by Danish polar research institutions in conjunction with the NSIDC, the ice sheet shed more than 10 billion tons of ice from 60 percent of its surface on Wednesday, July 31.

    Read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/greenland-lost-record-breaking-125-billion-tons-ice-single-day-180972808/#5EczE3WFjAekl7rd.99
    Give the gift of Smithsonian magazine for only $12! http://bit.ly/1cGUiGv
    Follow us: @SmithsonianMag on Twitter

    Greenland is a pretty big place.
    2.166 million km²

    It’s almost as big as Western Australia. How would they know it lost 12.5 billion tons of Ice?

  55. stackja

    Tintarella di Luna
    #3125081, posted on August 6, 2019 at 7:08 pm
    feminist warrior who derides sentimentality about excising a clump of cells.

    Where do feminist come from? Spontaneous generation?

  56. Bruce of Newcastle

    I love a science article which manages to disprove itself in its first 13 words.

    For the presidential race, ‘electability’ could decide who wins and who loses

    In 2016, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was deemed “electable” by analysts just four years after former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney carried the same label in the race against President Barack Obama, a contest that Romney lost. This election, pundits have dubbed former Vice President Joe Biden as the most “electable” Democrat among a field of more than 20 candidates, in large part because early polls, including the USC Dornsife/Los Angeles Times poll, indicate he is the favorite so far.

    Then disproves itself twice more in the first paragraph. Analysts are idiots, news at 6.

  57. MatrixTransform

    sorry, did I say scammer?

    I meant the best Value Adder

  58. mem

    for JC
    Worth looking at this site for arctic figures. Also the melt this year (yes it is summer and sun melts ice with radiation every year and this year is no different than last, well maybe fractionally in that it has been colder in Greenland this year.
    https://notrickszone.com/2019/08/05/for-nearly-all-of-the-last-10000-years-greenland-ice-sheet-and-glacier-volume-was-smaller-than-today/

  59. Roger

    “The whole point of this is to minimise costs. What we don’t want to do is establish a physical reserve at very high costs in Australia and pass it on to consumers at the bowser,” he said.

    Very considerate of you, Mr. Taylor.

    Now, how did we come to wander down this perfidious path in the first instance?

    “Australia is a lucky country run mainly by second rate people who…so lack curiosity about the events that surround them that they are often taken by surprise.”

    Donald Horne, 1964.

    It never gets old because our leaders – in both business & politics – keep living up to it.

    Our luck runs out when the U.S. can no longer guarantee our security.

  60. JC

    Also, how do we know 12.5 billion tones is a big number or not?

  61. Tel

    Does anyone believe the Australian and the US middle class for that matter, is worse off than it was 40 years ago? Yes or no?

    My estimate is that overall we are slightly worse off, although difficult to measure. What you consider to be important might be highly subjective:

    Bad things.
    * Housing, land, quarter-acre block: much less affordable now.
    * Having kids: less affordable now.
    * Taxation: higher now for sure.
    * General bullshit, paperwork, regulations, pointless laws: worse now.
    * Traffic congestion and overcrowding on trains and buses: worse now.
    * Drugs: probably worse (not that I’d know) … seems like fewer friendly hippies and more meth-heads and complete nutters.
    * Music: definitely worse.
    * Television shows: completely appalling.
    * Movies: mostly worse.
    * Fuel, electricity, and other energy: less affordable.
    * Public education: worse.
    * Political correctness: worse.
    * Street beggars: getting worse, used to be none at all, now nearly everywhere.
    * Police: used to be tidy, respectable and well respected, now dress like para-military with jack boots.
    * Cameras & surveillance: kiss goodbye to your privacy, it ain’t coming back.

    Good things.
    * Gadgets, appliances, electronic communications: better and much more affordable now.
    * Video games: much better quality (see NOTE).
    * Cars: about same affordability but better quality than they used to be.
    * Food: better, more options and more affordable than it used to be.
    * Air-conditioning: more widely available overall.
    * Clothing: much more affordable, except shoes which are low quality and don’t last well.
    * Airlines: more affordable and broader options available.
    * Luxury ocean cruises: God knows why but they are everywhere now, someone must want them.
    * Overall friendliness: Probably a fraction better, unless you say something politically incorrect.
    * Employment: I think there’s more options available, and especially more interesting jobs.

    Approx neutral.
    * Crime: lower rates overall but house prices push people into bad areas, and more random violence.
    * Relationships: greater flexibility which is a double-edged sword.

    NOTE: video game quality and polish has improved, although the content of the game itself has changed very little. Visually spectacular but lacking much thought regarding the game design. There’s a reason why many people still stick to board games and cards.

  62. Not Uh oh

    Chris Smith standing in for Bolt on Sky is doing a pretty good job; not afraid to give an opinion. Unfortunately he’s fallen into the trap of calling it ‘carbon’ rather than ‘carbon dioxide’ and a ‘carbon tax’ rather than a ‘carbon dioxide tax’. Chris, we’ll never win the argument that way. It’s carbon dioxide, it’s plant food, it’s good. Don’t call it ‘carbon’

  63. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    The Austrian newsmagazine, Wochenblick, reported that 11 million Turks are “dreaming of moving to central Europe”.

    Soon they may not have to move.
    Erdogan wants Central Europe to become part of Turkey.

  64. candy

    Does anyone believe the Australian and the US middle class for that matter, is worse off than it was 40 years ago?

    The middle class is fine, because that is mostly educated folk and that includes tradespeople, public servants, small business people, HR employees. People with qualifications and talent/skills who move upwards.

    There is an underclass, if I may use that term and not meaning anything derogatory, of people who don’t have access/skill/IQ to achieve same and work in retail, basic construction works, low level admin, factory workers, cleaners. Pay level is stagnant going backwards almost, and cost of living rises especially gas bills and food.

  65. Bruce of Newcastle

    I went skulking around and found this.

    Last Thursday, August 1, the Greenland ice sheet experienced its largest single-day volume loss on record, sending an estimated 12.5 billion tons of ice pouring into the ocean.

    Oh noes!

    Greenland just lost 11 billion tons of ice melted in one day because of this shocking weather event known as ‘summer’.

    Delingpole: Greenland Ice Melt Shock – The Terrifying Truth!

    I can’t wait for summer when I will be fried by terrifying temperatures of 25 C. Or even higher. I might take my shirt off, which could terrify anyone.

  66. Infidel Tiger

    The middle class may indeed be fine, but it is shrinking in number.

    We now live in a highly divided society.

  67. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    We now live in a highly divided society.

    So, everything going according to plan then.

  68. cohenite

    I was watching SBS over dinner and heard the reader say that Greenland has lost 60% of its ice sheet. Dunno from when to when, but is this true?

    No. Stop watching the sbs.

  69. JC

    Thanks Bruce. So it’s bullshit. The last point is so right and also very funny.

    If the Greenland ice sheet didn’t melt in summer, it would continue to grow forever then. LOl.

    In fact you want to fucking thing to melt in the summer in order to allow for the freeze up in winter. 🙂

  70. Tel

    absolute terms… better standard of living. Cleaner, healthier…dont have to shit in the long drop at the back of Nan’s block

    I’ll give you that one … bathrooms are typically better now than they used to be.

    I came within a few inches of death as a kid (approx 1980???) while taking a dump in a council-provided public toilet near the beach, when a brutal slab of concrete fell from the roof and landed in the cubicle next to me. Very loud … literally scared the shit outta me. I very nearly sat in the cubicle of doom except that the drain was clogged and the bowl was full of crap. One flushed condom saved my life … and I never even met the slob who blocked that dunny.

  71. Tintarella di Luna

    Where do feminist come from? Spontaneous generation?

    My suspicion is that in a laboratory deep in the bowels of the UN a cyber virus has been created which activates in cyber-space when susceptible young women, educated by leftists in schools and universities clap eyes on the wording in the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women – subsequently the virus spreads via Snapchat, Facebook, Instagram, selfies and kisses blown from boxtoxed pouty lips – that’s my working theory on where feminists come from.

  72. 1735099

    What you claim I posted –

    yes you certainly made a number of postd (sic) that implicitly support abortion, not to mention when, previously it been put to you that you support abortion you have not denied it.

    What I actually posted –

    1735099
    #3118839, posted on July 30, 2019 at 11:53 am
    All these rants about abortion….
    If you really believe abortion is the killing of the innocent, you have only one possible moral position, and only two laws that would make sense –
    1. Abortion becomes a crime equivalent to murder at any stage of gestation.
    2. Compulsory paternity checks are legislated to identify the male involved, and when identified, the father confined to nine months (for symmetry) in clink, or someplace similar, irrespective of circumstances, and upon release be held 50% financially responsible for the welfare of the child.
    Both parties are responsible.
    Both parties accept the consequences.

    Show me where that “implicitly supports abortion”.

    Can’t type.
    Can’t read.
    Can’t think.
    Can’t discuss without verballing.
    Go Away.
    (And thanks Mater, for digging up my original post).

    BTW, You still haven’t answered my question about capital punishment.

  73. candy

    We now live in a highly divided society.

    I think that quite true.
    The middle class has merged with the class above. It is based on educational level.
    The previous “working class” of hard working good people in low level jobs but not in the scenario of being able to achieve educational qualifications, have merged with the outright struggling class. Trump’s folks, previously Labor folk, probably One Nation people now.

  74. Muddy

    Not Uh oh
    #3125104, posted on August 6, 2019 at 7:29 pm

    A rigor mortis tax?
    No, that might make the Liberals think they’re being taxed.

  75. Bruce of Newcastle

    The middle class may indeed be fine, but it is shrinking in number.
    We now live in a highly divided society.

    There wasn’t a middle class in Animal Farm.
    Nor is there one in Venezuela and Zimbabwe.
    Some animals are more equal than we prey.
    Are there any middle-class wildebeests?

  76. JC

    Infidel Tiger
    #3125108, posted on August 6, 2019 at 7:34 pm

    The middle class may indeed be fine, but it is shrinking in number.

    We now live in a highly divided society.

    Like we never were before, right. Prior to the opening of the economy in the 80s Australia resembled a South American Kleptocracy. Like all South American countries (big or small) 50 families run or ran the show. You once had to apply to the Reserve bank in order to purchase foreign currency to go overseas. Second hand foreign made cars rose in price because of the severity of import quotas and the cost of new cars.

    Regular homes on quarter acre blocks you prize so much were little more than dog boxes with heating usually in the living room.

    Yea, no thanks.

  77. Infidel Tiger

    Like we never were before, right. Prior to the opening of the economy in the 80s Australia resembled a South American Kleptocracy

    And yet we were a far more cohesive society.

  78. candy

    The United States is now facing a deadly challenge from a connected, radical, online-organizing community of vicious white-nationalist terrorists. They are every bit as evil as [email protected], and they radicalize in much the same way.

    Perhaps, but I think it more likely young men socially isolated, borderline personality autism, family dysfunction, no friends, no girlfriend, bullied and made fun or through the learning years – angry at the world and going to kill it. Previously perhaps two decades ago institutionalised or hid by their families but now on the Internet and gathering enough hate to kill but not detected in school the all important time.

    The I….mic radicals seem to attend mosque and inspired by 72 virgins and Paradise. Maybe it’s the same in a way but there is a religious element involved.

  79. Tel

    Renter societies are inherently unstable and socialist.

    Human history has shown us that families need a home they own.

    Hmmm, I dunno, rent has a lot of uses. If I had to buy a house before moving out of home … would have been a bad scene for all concerned. Rent is society’s escape valve … especially if cheap rents are available, even slummy low quality but something for the down and out to get off the street, and also for students, itinerant workers, foreigners who want to stay 6 months, etc.

    That said, there’s also a place for home ownership, once people are established and want to settle down. Rental houses don’t get as well looked after as owned houses … rental neighbourhoods are a bit unpleasant … lack of skin in the game.

  80. JC

    cohenite
    #3125110, posted on August 6, 2019 at 7:38 pm

    I was watching SBS over dinner and heard the reader say that Greenland has lost 60% of its ice sheet. Dunno from when to when, but is this true?

    No. Stop watching the sbs.

    Yea, I tell wifey to put it on Fox but she won’t hear of it.

    That reminds me.
    Anyone watched The Loudest Voice, about the Rise of Fox News and Roger Ailes. It’s not bad. Russel Crowe plays a fat fuck really well. The thing that really disappointed me was that Naomi Watts has begun developing wrinkles on her face just above the jaw line. That’s really bad, as I always thought of her as very feminine cute. According to the series, Ailes was harassing every skirt within 200 yards. He was always eating too.

  81. Steve trickler

    JC
    #3125085, posted on August 6, 2019 at 7:16 pm
    I was watching SBS over dinner and heard the reader say that Greenland has lost 60% of its ice sheet. Dunno from when to when, but is this true?

    Total bullshit.



  82. Infidel Tiger

    Renting is fine.

    It makes me a lot of money.

    But it is not good for families to be renters. A functional society requires its members to have roots and feel ownership.

  83. JC

    And yet we were a far more cohesive society.

    Yea that’s true. With train, tram and electricity strikes and walk outs every third day.

  84. JC

    Tickler

    I’m happy to open the link, but promise me it’s not an Abba mix? Promise me first.

  85. Roger

    Regular homes on quarter acre blocks you prize so much were little more than dog boxes with heating usually in the living room.

    A slice of heaven for the working class migrants who came from Britain or Europe, though, where they could never dream of owning the dog box they had to live in.

  86. Des Deskperson

    A friend invited me to a ‘A Celebratory Appraisal of the Late, Great John Clarke’. presented by the ANU Humanities Research Centre and the ‘Australasian Humour Studies Network’ later this week:

    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6307123/celebrating-john-clarke-at-anu/digital-subscription/

    I found an excuse not to attend.

    According to one post mortem suck hole: ‘ his satire – with and without Dawes – was “trenchant but so sympathetic”. According to another suck hole: ‘every episode [of the Clarke/Dawes stuff] showed a real, tight grasp of the subject matter – they called out a lot of silliness.”

    Forty years ago, I used to think the Fred Dagg material was funny, but looking again at it recently, either it’s aged badly or I have grown up. Perhaps the unfunny and unclever name – ‘Fred Dagg’ – should have been a warning. The Clarke and Dawes duologues were relentlessly partisan; ‘a real, tight grasp of the subject matter’ actually tended to come across as a sort of smart-arse ‘insider’ smugness

    I never saw ‘The Games, so I have no idea whether it was actually as ‘groundbreaking’ as Clarke’s ABC mates said it was.

    I saw Clarke once, in the Gorton Building, presumably off to an appointment with Commonwealth Department of the Environment. I was interested to note that the self-satisfied expression he always wore when pretending to be a Coalition Minister seemed to be his natural look. On the other hand, he may have been there to discuss some taxpayer funded initiative and thats why he appeared pleased with himself.

  87. JC

    Eating tons of junk, running the best cable news channel in the business and harassing lots of skirt. Ailes had a good life by the sound of things.

    Naa just kidding about the harassment stuff. That’s not nice.

  88. Mater

    BTW, You still haven’t answered my question about capital punishment.

    Yes, I did.

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2019/08/03/open-forum-august-3-2019/comment-page-8/#comment-3124067

    I’m very open about my view of capital punishment.

  89. Zatara

    Of the 20 people gunned down at a Walmart adjacent to the Cielo Vista Mall, at least seven were Mexican citizens, and Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard promised Mexico City will act.
    In a statement, the Foreign Ministry called the attack in El Paso a “terrorist act against innocent Mexicans.”

    Mexico City will act? So he’s going to recall all Mexican citizens who are illegally in the US?

    Didn’t think so.

  90. mh

    JC
    #3125085, posted on August 6, 2019 at 7:16 pm
    I was watching SBS over dinner and heard the reader say that Greenland has lost 60% of its ice sheet. Dunno from when to when, but is this true?

    JC, what an awful question. If we don’t know the the time of the starting point then we cannot ascertain the ice sheet area at the this point in time in order to calculate the percentage loss.

    If SBS is referring to the ice sheet loss from its maximum size in history until now then it is an extremely misleading statement as it would have no correlation to anthropogenic warming theory, which is what SBS is alluding to.

  91. Mater

    (And thanks Mater, for digging up my original post).

    Anything for you, Bob. You know that.

  92. JC

    Roger
    #3125131, posted on August 6, 2019 at 7:56 pm

    Regular homes on quarter acre blocks you prize so much were little more than dog boxes with heating usually in the living room.

    A slice of heaven for the working class migrants who came from Britain or Europe, though, where they could never dream of owning the dog box they had to live in.

    I didn’t go through my parents home for about two years. I just left it. I didn’t go around, but had a dude take care of the garden and someone go through the place once a month to clean out dust etc. I went back before it was sold for one last time. Fmd dead it was small. It was just an average home in the area. They had put in ac and heat later on but, at one stage there was just a heater in the living room when I was very young.

  93. JC

    mh

    Stop pretending to be smart. 🙂 I asked that question later on, which you obviously are aware of but deliberately ignore.

  94. Geriatric Mayfly

    Are there any middle-class wildebeests?

    There are the gnus who always receive a nod in crosswords, even in quality newspapers.

  95. Steve trickler

    I note Potholers ( Ex-BBC clown ) minions have calmed themselves down on Heller’s channel. They jumped the shark. Potholer got schooled. As did all them dickhead Potholer followers.

  96. Tel

    Regular homes on quarter acre blocks you prize so much were little more than dog boxes with heating usually in the living room.

    Dunno what you are referring to but I grew up in quite a few of those “regular homes on quarter acre blocks” and plenty of space was available, I had a decent sized room to myself, and a yard, and in most cases parks nearby. Who gives a shit about heating? This isn’t Chicago you know. Anyway, electricity was cheap, small portable heaters can easily do the job … but only necessary on occasion.

  97. cohenite

    Fort Denison sea level records:

    https://theclimatescepticsparty.blogspot.com/2019/08/fort-denison-mean-sea-levels.html

    The surveyor responsible for the records which show NO sea level rise at Fort Denison:

  98. Steve trickler

    JC
    #3125130, posted on August 6, 2019 at 7:55 pm
    Tickler

    I’m happy to open the link, but promise me it’s not an Abba mix? Promise me first.

    Hahaa. All the best, smart arse. ( :

  99. Mother Lode

    Nobody’s girl has her knickers in a knot:

    Senator Kristina Keneally has sent a letter to multicultural and multifaith groups across Australia urging them to oppose right-wing commentator Raheem Kassam’s upcoming visit to Australia.

    I presume she was outside of Coward’s Castle. The contents of the letter would almost certainly be libellous.

  100. JC

    Out of curiosity, how would they hide the schlong residing under frillie, tight underpants?

  101. Frank

    Where do feminist come from?

    The womens’ collective and the student union bar. Also, when girls get chunky they tend to go that way if the gym and dieting seem too onerous.

  102. Mater

    Senator Kristina Keneally has sent a letter to multicultural and multifaith groups across Australia urging them to oppose right-wing commentator Raheem Kassam’s upcoming visit to Australia.

    Gotta make sure all the troops turn up on the day.

  103. Bruce of Newcastle

    I really don’t get the purpose because deep down most sheilas would be disgusted by this crap.

    I love the idea of trannies with fluffy angel wings.

  104. Steve trickler

    I did some digging on Henri and found this a few days back.

    A hidden gem. Buried. White guys in leather jackets. 😎

    Worthy of posting again.



  105. 132andBush

    JC,
    Re your plumbers.
    How far and for how long did they have to travel?
    Was the head plumber the business owner or employed?

    Any farmer could tell you the same sort of story WRT dealership mechanical work carried out “on farm”.
    Travel costs can be over 50% of the total. (Two blokes on full hourly rate, plus $/km for the vehicle)

  106. JC

    Bush

    He lives in Malvern. Stop worrying about the wealthy fucker’s travel time. He doesn’t have far to go. He’s fine.

  107. Boambee John

    Arctic winds will sweep across New South Wales bringing a metre of snow, severe weather warnings and frosty temperatures.

    I guess that PNG and Queensland will also suffer as these winds sweep down from the north?

  108. Some History

    San Francisco airport announces ban on sales of plastic water bottles

    Mattel launches new “San Fran” Barbie doll:

    https://imgur.com/CotZ4W7

  109. Mater

    JC,
    Re your plumbers.
    How far and for how long did they have to travel?

    Point Cook to New York.

  110. JC

    Look I wasn’t complaining about him and wouldn’t have brought it up until we had Artie whining about the poor downtrodden middle class in Australia.

    He does really good work and is truly excellent at plugging leaks. We’ve spent a lot of money with different idiots and then with a little rain the leak shows up again. I think this time he fixed it, so I’m happy about spending the bucks.

  111. twostix

    In a statement, the Foreign Ministry called the attack in El Paso a “terrorist act against innocent Mexicans.”

    The mexican ruling class sure do have some balls when it comes to America.

    Imagine Indonesia’s ruling class exporting 3 million of its lower class to live illegally in QLD – expanding Indonesia’s soft power, language, culture and, really, border well into our country.

    Then lecturing us about it.

    We would not tolerate it for even one microsecond.

  112. stackja

    NYC plumbing and SBS?

  113. C.L.

    Keating with Tingle on 7.30 tonight.
    Tingle doesn’t dress up, does she. She looked like a 1970s Sister of Mercy tonight – black jumper and white collar. She still has great hair, though, and I’ve always thought she’s a bit of a babe.

    Meanwhile, Keating was doing his usual act: superannuation and economic policy were great under him but were ruined by Howard etc. Plus his now customary (well remunerated) defence of the Chinese.

  114. JC

    Point Cook to New York.

    I wish. You can’t believe what the contractor sent over to fix a faulty shower. Two Chinese dudes who didn’t speak a single word of English and when I asked a question, one called his boss who then translated over the mobile. We reckon we have it bad with immigration. THAT would never happen here. They fucked it up too.

  115. JC

    Hey Stack

    No accident report today? Forget?

    Do you own a stapler?

  116. Mother Lode

    Just looked back and saw your post, Tints.

    I think statistics around such things as the psychological difficulties women have had is the unspoken issue that ought to be brought into the open.

  117. Steve trickler

    I’ve learnt some things following Big Boy. Smart phones are “ok” for vision…. sort of, if you have a steady hand. Microphones on smart phones are crap. The Big Bow whistle destroys them. Distortion reigns supreme.

    With that said, when you have the right equipment, we get the following. This bloke spent 20 hours and over 1000 km’s chasing HIM.



  118. Pete of Perth

    Table next to me discussing how people cannot except gender pronouns of their choice. Very Ernest. Creative writer’s I gather from UTAS

  119. Pete of Perth

    Next topic abortion. Kill em all.

  120. JC

    20 years doesn’t sound like a lot over there.

    Mail Bomber Cesar Sayoc Sentenced to 20 Years in Prison

    The Florida man convicted of mailing pipe bombs to prominent Democrats across the U.S., in what federal prosecutors called a widespread terrorism campaign, was sentenced Monday to 20 years in prison.

  121. Pete of Perth

    Next topic equity and diversity… My god I must be in the ABC tuckshop

  122. Steve trickler

    The Big Boy, not Bow.

  123. Mother Lode

    Dayton gunman was pro-gun control, friend says

    I suspect the nutter was not an oasis of consistent thinking.

    At the same time if he felt he had a mission which gave him…ahem…license to do himself what he considered society at large must be prohibited.

  124. calli

    I suspect killing all the other bystanders made it easier to kill his sister.

  125. Lilliana

    Regular homes on quarter acre blocks you prize so much were little more than dog boxes with heating usually in the living room.

    Love them – wish I could find another one. Comfortable and room for a veggie patch. Who could ask for more.

  126. Pete of Perth

    Thank the Lord… They are leaving. I shall now retire to the bar for a whiskey.

  127. Robert Mc

    I suspect killing all the other bystanders made it easier to kill his sister.

    Suspect not. He killed his sister first, so it is reported.

  128. Knuckle Dragger

    Clearly and unequivocally not all Daytona man’s dogs were barking.

    Have a look at the pic of him and his sister. Eyes like a flathead lying doggo in a riverbed.

    Even if he had a permit, you’d wonder before selling him 100 round drum mags.

  129. Shy Ted

    Seen your Beaugy, how hees it hi drive hugh wild weeth desire but you remain thee calm, haloof, miss herious man? Hi know they har not all ceegars een your pocket. I haf seen you watch me in thee shower hand hi know hugh fight thee hurges. Hi make you harpy. Hi make you ha good wife. Chiquita, she need good, strong man has her father. Hugh not leave Cuba, hugh stay. Heets hall ceegars hand paella from now hon.
    Carn Beaugy, do the right thing by the lady.

  130. Knuckle Dragger

    If you’re even contemplating this Beaugy, you’d better take this Maria chick on quite a few damn good test drives first.

    If you jump in feet first and she turns out to be a starfish, you’ve only yourself to blame.

  131. Digger

    12.5 billion tonnes of ice melting on Greenland is not a big deal. One billion tonnes is one cubic kilometre. Greenland has 3 million cubic kilometres of ice. (Antarctica has 30 million cubic kilometres of ice)

    One cubic kilometre of ice (or water) will raise the ocean 2.78 microns (Oceans cover 361 million square kilometres) so 12.5 billion tonnes of melting ice is 12.5 cubic kilometres (out of 3 million that is on Greenland) and that 12.5 billion tonnes will rise the oceans by under 35 microns. (35 millionths of a metre)

    To raise the water depth by one millimetre there needs to be 360 billion tonnes (or 360 cubic kilometres) of water added.

  132. Mother Lode

    Hugh not leave Cuba, hugh stay.

    Well this puts a whole new complexion on Venezuela’s plight and the complicity of the people.

    All those times they shouted ‘Hugo Chavez’ they were telling him what they soddingwell wished he would bloody do.

  133. cohenite

    The lunatic behind the NSW abortion bill reckons that men have uteruses.

  134. Top Ender

    Wow Digger, I’m tempted to add your powerful paragraphs to my list of Incredible Articles and Facts I have Collected with which I whammy arguments.

    Love your work!

  135. Knuckle Dragger

    Those three paras by Digger could (and should) destroy the entire climate scam as we know it.

  136. 132andBush

    Bush

    He lives in Malvern. Stop worrying about the wealthy fucker’s travel time. He doesn’t have far to go. He’s fine.

    I wasn’t.
    My point is all the extras that have to get added on that blow out a bill.
    The crap with OHS regulations, vehicle running costs etc are straight up state imposed extras.

  137. Knuckle Dragger

    The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away.

    Thankfully, and in a blow for common sense and thinking people everywhere, there will be no more sparkly footballs and Zooper goals as whatever it was that marketed itself as AFLX will disappear from the 2020 football calendar, unlikely to be seen again (if anyone actually saw it in the first place).

    Unfortunately, the void left by AFLX will be filled by four new AFLW teams. Yep – although the scores and general talent indicated that the last thing this disgrace of a thing needed was to have its ‘talent pool’ diluted by half – that’s just what they’ve done.

    This bastard country.

  138. Knuckle Dragger

    The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away.

    Thankfully, and in a blow for common sense and thinking people everywhere, there will be no more sparkly footb#lls and Zooper goals as whatever it was that marketed itself as AFLX will disappear from the 2020 football calendar, unlikely to be seen again (if anyone actually saw it in the first place).

    Unfortunately, the void left by AFLX will be filled by four new AFLW teams. Yep – although the scores and general talent indicated that the last thing this disgrace of a thing needed was to have its ‘talent pool’ diluted by half – that’s just what they’ve done.

    This bastard country.

  139. Knuckle Dragger

    Apparently, the Lord also giveth and taketh away the spaminator’s ability to accept and/or reject the word b…………a……………………ll…..s, dependent on His mood at the time.

  140. Muddy

    Digger
    #3125191, posted on August 6, 2019 at 9:25 pm

    Much appreciated.

  141. Muddy

    AFLX

    That was the tablet I used to take to combat supermarket rage.
    Looks like I’ll have to dust off the muzzle and mittens again.

  142. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Frank, if you claim that then how on earth could the Heritage piece be incorrect.

    The argument they debunked was incorrect anyway, regardless of their counterpoints.

    However, what they debunked it with is not correct either.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-arent-stagnating-after-all/2018/11/18/055edb38-e9dc-11e8-a939-9469f1166f9d_story.html

    Unless you’ve been hibernating in the Himalayas, you must know of the recent surge in economic inequality. It’s not just that the rich are getting richer. The rest of us — say politicians, pundits and scholars — are stagnating. The top 1 percent have grabbed most income gains, while average Americans are stuck in the mud.

    Well, it’s not so. That’s the message — perhaps unintended — from the Congressional Budget Office, which reports periodically on the distribution and growth of the nation’s income. It recently found that most Americans had experienced clear-cut income gains since the early 1980s.

    This conclusion is exceptionally important, because the CBO study is arguably the most comprehensive tabulation of Americans’ incomes.

    Most studies of incomes have glaring omissions. Some examine only before-tax income; others, after-tax. Many don’t include some government benefits — for example, food stamps, Medicare or Medicaid (health programs for the elderly and the poor). Others exclude employer-paid health insurance, which is a big item. The CBO study covers all of these areas.

    I cannot remember who worked it out, but the Obama “analysts” were forgetting about health insurance and other benefits.

    It confirms that the rich have catapulted ahead of most Americans, including many with six-figure incomes. The richest 1 percent of U.S. households had average pretax incomes of $1.855 million in 2015. The growth has been astonishing. From 1979 to 2015, pretax incomes of the top 1 percent jumped 233 percent. That’s more than a tripling. (All figures are corrected for inflation.)

    But it’s not true that no one else had gains. If the bottom 99 percent experienced stagnation, their 2015 incomes would be close to those of 1979, the study’s first year. This is what most people apparently believe.

    The study found otherwise. The poorest fifth of Americans (a fifth is known as a “quintile”) enjoyed a roughly 80 percent post-tax income increase since 1979. The richest quintile — those just below the top 1 percent — had a similar gain of nearly 80 percent. The middle three quintiles achieved less, about a 50 percent rise in post-tax incomes.

    (Now, FEE and even Pew have found similar conclusions).

    None of which uses a silly claim that inflation is overstated because CPI is “inferior” to PCE. Inflation is likely understated and yet we have net positive real income changes at all levels.

    The cost of living and standard of living in Australia has become brutal because of the myriad and sheer volume of tax we pay, particularly on incomes and property development.

  143. MatrixTransform

    I run a service biz

    Our cost per hour is easy $90 … dunno for sure because I haven’t done the numbers for a while.
    Our hourly rate is marginally above our cost.
    we dont make money by charging per hour unless we bullshit and charge 4hrs as 8hrs and then do another job.
    We make money by doing tech upgrades and handling a squillion maintenance contracts where we say we will do 24hrs of work but really do about 12. Sometimes …none.
    mostly we nickel and dime them

    We dont usually sell big stuff so we dont get to hide behind big ticket items like plumbers.
    Plumbers charge 80 an hour but that length of copper …whew …thats gonna cost ya
    That Ac unit …geez …dunno …easy 3k
    The gutters, gee I dunno … could take a week
    Those autoflush architectural dunny fixtures that are internet connected …hmm…prolly 1200 each

    Incidentally, we often work for Mechanical Services Plumbers and we call them all Ken
    …’ken plumbers

    y’all scientists and lawyers and financial whizzes …. you all know the scams

    you invented them

    wanna meet a happy GP …visit a new one at 55yo with a hernia … smiling fucking assassin cant work out how to get me in the grave fast enough while charging the ‘going rate’ and referring to his sailing buddy the surgeon Mr watshisfucking name

    Divorce lawyer likes a chat on the phone? ..no kidding its only $1billion dollars a minute … dont worry the retainer in trust has it covered

    ETF admin … yeah no worries mate… 1%

    A bloke who has his property managed by a mate who’s a real estate agent who knows a bloke that’s distantly related to his wife’s mother’s son-in-law who happens to be a plumber?

  144. zyconoclast

    The lunatic behind the NSW abortion bill reckons that men have uteruses.

    Gladbag Gladys?

  145. JC

    None of which uses a silly claim that inflation is overstated because CPI is “inferior” to PCE.

    PCE is what the Fed has used to target the “inflation rate”.

    Okay this comes to a similar conclusion to the article I posted earlier. The takeaway point is that there hasn’t been long term income stagnation in the US for any cohort.

  146. dover_beach

    Finished watching Chernobyl. Quite good. Had no idea the situation was that serious.

  147. Leigh Lowe

    I never really knew how much a quarter of an acre was (in terms of square metres).
    It is 1,046 sq mtrs.
    Which is sizeable.

  148. Infidel Tiger

    Caroline Di Russo
    @CaroDiRusso
    Am I safe in assuming those in favour of euthanasia and late-term abortion are also proponents of the death penalty?

    #auspol #abortion #nswpol #wapol #euthanasia #vicpol

    Excellent point.

    Our culture of death never extends to those who actually deserve it.

  149. Leigh Lowe

    JC.
    Roof leak, water supply leak or drain leak?

  150. Leigh Lowe

    If it is a roof leak, plug it and sell the house.

  151. zyconoclast

    Nicola Sturgeon has delivered a brutal verdict on the current and former prime ministers, claiming Boris Johnson tried to put his arm around her back and that talking to Theresa May was “soul destroying”.

    In a candid and indiscreet interview, Scotland’s first minister said her conversation with Mr Johnson last week was “crazy”, while Mrs May would never depart from a script, which made conversation awkward.

    Ms Sturgeon’s withering disclosures came in an Edinburgh Fringe Festival event with broadcaster Iain Dale in which she claimed there was growing support for Scottish independence.

    Asked by Mr Dale about the difference between her meetings with Mrs May and her first encounter with Mr Johnson at her Bute House official residence, she replied: “It was a very different experience.

    “I don’t want to be too derogatory or pejorative about Theresa May. She’s obviously no longer prime minister, but having conversations with Theresa May was pretty soul destroying.

    “She would never depart from a script, no matter where you tried to take the conversation.

    “I remember in one meeting, going in and trying to think about how can we get this meeting off on a sort of gentler start before we immediately got into the areas where we disagreed.

    “And she had, as she often did, a fantastic pair of shoes, a really stylish pair of shoes. And I quite like shoes, so I started the meeting off by saying, ‘before we get onto Brexit, fantastic shoes’, and in that instant I could see in her eyes, that she didn’t have an answer in the script before her for this.

    “So it became, what should have been a light-hearted moment, really quite awkward.

    “So talking to Boris, at least it was like having a conversation, albeit a bit of a crazy one.

    “And you could debate and share views and disagree on things, more than agree, so I’ll say that for him. It’s a different experience.”

    Describing the Bute House meeting, when Mr Johnson was booed by protesters as he arrived, Ms Sturgeon said: “I just remember he came up the steps, we did the handshake.

    “We were meant to stand to get a picture taken together and then suddenly behind him came these hordes of people – I think he had about 33 people with him for whatever reason.

    “So I think I was just trying to organise everybody. And then the new Secretary of State for Scotland [Alister Jack] came up to me, and I don’t mean this as any insult to him, but I didn’t immediately recognise him so it was kind of, ‘who are you trying to get in my hoose?!

    “Then I realised who it was, ushered him in and then I was aware Boris was about to do that thing that guys sometimes do to women and no doubt, you claim it’s chivalrous, sometimes it is chivalrous, other times it’s patronising, which is to kind of usher you in and put their arm around your back and I decided I didn’t really want that to happen.”

    Ms Sturgeon added: “Boris Johnson is a prime minister that the vast of majority of people in Scotland, had they been given any choice, would not have chosen to give the keys of Number 10 Downing Street to.

    “He’s a prime minister who is intent on taking us out of Europe against our will, looks intent on taking us out without a deal and the catastrophe that would bring about I think is well understood here.

    “So I wasn’t overly thrilled to be standing on the steps of Bute House welcoming Boris Johnson as prime minister.”

    On independence, the first minister said: “I think there is growing support for independence in Scotland.

    “And I think there is, accompanying that, a growing sense of urgency that if we don’t want to get dragged down a path – and I’m not just talking about Brexit here, although largely that’s what I mean – but dragged down a sort of political path that we don’t want to go down, then we need to consider becoming independent sooner rather than later.

  152. feelthebern

    Worst celebrity house ever.

  153. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Okay so if they use PCE, you’re going to measure pi with PCE and bam! Inflation is lower.

    Sure CPI can have wild swings, but PPI & CPI will be more accurate on-trend.

    Even using CPI, there is still room for wages growth, benefits & entitlements growth, social security growth and some wiggle for slightly higher than CPI inflation.

  154. egg_

    I was watching SBS over dinner and heard the reader say that Greenland has lost 60% of its ice sheet. Dunno from when to when, but is this true?

    It would be reflected in global sea levels.

  155. JC

    Leigh

    I don’t think the average old mid urban home carried that much land. It was more like 7500 sq feet, which is closer to 700 sq meters. I think we just rounded off and called it 1/4 an acre 🙂

  156. Digger

    All the facts about ice and stuff are in the attachment. Remember there are 1,370 million cubic kilometres of water in the oceans (1 trillion litres in a cubic kilometre) and there would need to be a hell of a lot of very smart scientists to convince me that the average air temperature in the world (at approx 15C) can heat up that much water in the oceans with a surface temperature average of approximately 14C.

    https://climatesanity.wordpress.com/conversion-factors-for-ice-and-water-mass-and-volume/

  157. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    An acre is the area of a rectangle whose length is one furlong and whose width is one chain.

  158. zyconoclast

    Activist and Australian of the Year finalist, 24, who fought to protect children from p33d0ph1l3s faces 10 years in jail after admitting grooming an underage boy and possessing child pornography
    -William Russell, 24, pleaded guilty to grooming an underage boy in July 2017
    -Russell previously pleaded guilty to possessing ch1ld 3xpl01tat10n material
    -He founded an advocacy group protecting teenagers from p33d0ph1l3s in 2013

  159. Leigh Lowe

    Thankfully, and in a blow for common sense and thinking people everywhere, there will be no more sparkly footb#lls and Zooper goals as whatever it was that marketed itself as AFLX will disappear 

    Well, well, well.
    Six months ago Gillon McPolo-Pony and his cronies were all-in to make AFLX the global marketing vehicle, bigger than the EPL, IPL, NBA, FBI and CIA combined.
    The club Presidents offered to instruct their players to treat it like the joke it was.
    Gawn.
    I think McPolo-Pony will be following it into the bin before Christmas.

  160. Muddy

    zyconoclast
    #3125212, posted on August 6, 2019 at 10:09 pm

    The lunatic behind the NSW abortion bill reckons that men have uteruses.

    I believe the correct term is biodegradable internal manbag, or b.i.m.
    As in “Mate, does my bim look fat in these stubbies?”

  161. JC

    Leigh Lowe
    #3125217, posted on August 6, 2019 at 10:16 pm

    JC.
    Roof leak, water supply leak or drain leak?

    Drain leak that ran into the laundry. There were outside blinds on the house and these people stuck a fucking screw into the drain when they installed the thing. It leaked from the wall behind a cabinet and into the cabinet. It didn’t always leak though , which made the whole thing really devilish to find. That was one of them:-)

  162. zyconoclast

    Amazon says US government demands for customer data went up

    Amazon said the U.S. government asked for more data from the company during the first half of 2019 than in the previous six-month period.

    The latest figures in the company’s transparency report, published quietly on its website late Wednesday, said the number of subpoenas it received went up by 14% and search warrants went up by close to 35%.

    That includes data collected from its Amazon Echo voice assistant service, its Kindle and Fire tablets and its home security devices.

  163. Knuckle Dragger

    An imperial furlong or the newer metric one?

  164. Infidel Tiger

    Amazing listening to the econometrics obsessed dwell solely on the fraudulent stats thrown out by our lying governments and corporatist think tanks and their refusal to acknowledge what even blind Freddy can see: we are living through the most spiritually and socially cohesively moribund time in centuries.

    You can obsess all you like about a 00.02% uptick in GDP for lesbian rat proctologists and a new app that can froth frog semen for lattes, but our society is not doing well.

  165. egg_

    Yeasty BO trumps Walmart cameltoes by a long shot.

  166. Leigh Lowe

    Frank Walker from National Tiles

    #3125226, posted on August 6, 2019 at 10:22 pm

    An acre is the area of a rectangle whose length is one furlong and whose width is one chain

    I know a chain is the length of a cricket pitch, which is slightly further than Aleem Dar’s range of vision, and I know that a furlong is about the distance any horse I back will trail the winner as it greets the judge.
    But I had no idea what that was in metres squared (which is normal city real estate currency.

  167. Knuckle Dragger

    Uterii. The plural of uterus. Not uteruses.

    As in, ‘Boss I have to leave work early today. I have to pick up my uterii from the dry cleaners.’

  168. egg_

    The lunatic behind the NSW abortion bill reckons that men have uteruses.

    [email protected] are fannies and uteruses?

  169. JC

    Frank Walker from National Tiles
    #3125226, posted on August 6, 2019 at 10:22 pm

    An acre is the area of a rectangle whose length is one furlong and whose width is one chain.

    I have absolutely no visualization what a centimeter, meter and hectare or kilometer looks and feels like in my head. It’s awful measurement. Inches, a foot, yard acre and mile etc are much better. Metric was introduced, we then left and lived in a place the imperial system and now I’m rooted. Gallons and pints are also great. Liter is terrible.

    There was no need to change.

  170. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    we are living through the most spiritually and socially cohesively moribund time in centuries.

    Pillars of western society used to castrate boys so they’d sing nice songs all their lives.

    Some things are straight-up crazy right now but you need to have some perspective.

  171. Leigh Lowe

    Digger

    #3125225, posted on August 6, 2019 at 10:21 pm

    All the facts about ice and stuff are in the attachment. Remember there are 1,370 million cubic kilometres of water in the oceans (1 trillion litres in a cubic kilometre)

    How much is that in perches, roods and shillings?

  172. JC

    ….but our society is not doing well.

    Materially or at a spiritual level, Marianne? 🙂

  173. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead and that’s the way I likes it!

  174. Leigh Lowe

    JC

    #3125224, posted on August 6, 2019 at 10:19 pm

    Leigh

    I don’t think the average old mid urban home carried that much land. It was more like 7500 sq feet, which is closer to 700 sq meters. I think we just rounded off and called it 1/4 an acre 

    That is true.
    The alleged 1/4 acre block disappeared in Melbourne as a standard mid last century.

  175. egg_

    Uterii.

    Penes et al to the edumacated.

  176. Knuckle Dragger

    I built a brick letterbox once that was 3 3/4 square cubits.

  177. zyconoclast

    How Brexit could change the taste of whisky
    Whisky is one of the UK’s most important exports. Currently EU regulations require a product labelled ‘whisky’ or ‘whiskey’ to be aged for a minimum of three years.

    A post-Brexit deal between the UK and the US might change this and open the way for younger products onto the market.

  178. Muddy

    I’m sure there was a death metal band called Uterii in the 90s. The only song I recall though was Squeezed and Drowning.

  179. Leigh Lowe

    Cubits.
    We need to go back to cubits.
    Our SA Pahn-class submarines should be specified in cubits, just to give the Frogs the shits.

  180. egg_

    An acre is the area of a rectangle whose length is one furlong and whose width is one chain.

    A one block chain?

  181. Leigh Lowe

    A post-Brexit deal between the UK and the US might change this and open the way for younger products onto the market.

    And … ???

  182. JC

    Look Artie, I tend to agree with you about not doing well in a non-material sense. I mentioned earlier, this evening I was watching SBS. The stupid bint doing the reading was gushing about a bunch of spastic lesbians celebrating some vote or soon to be vote about murdering kids in uterus at a later stage. Later, after the gerbil warming scare ….that its summer in Greenland and ice melted, she got onto the subject of some state ( I think she said it was Victoria) intro/ing relaxed euthanasia laws. It’s like a death cult out there.

  183. Infidel Tiger

    Materially or at a spiritual level, Marianne? 🙂

    Both.

  184. zyconoclast

    [email protected] police on Tuesday recommended criminal charges against Deputy Health Minister Yaacov Litzman for obstructing justice in a probe into an alleged s3x offender from Australia.

    Litzman is accused of helping the woman escape extradition to Australia by influencing the professional opinions of court-appointed Health Ministry psychiatrists in labeling her mentally unfit.

    The woman is wanted for 74 incidents of s3xual assault and [email protected] while she was a teacher and principal at a Melbourne J00wish school during the early mid-2000s.

    Police said they had sufficient evidence to charge him with witness tampering, bribery, fraud and breach of trust.

  185. Infidel Tiger

    Carlo Lancellotti
    @_CLancellotti
    The one narrative that our current ruling classes find absolutely repulsive and unacceptable is that there is any sort of broad social and cultural decline.

    That would directly contradict their deepest philosophical convictions.

    So true

    https://mobile.twitter.com/_CLancellotti/status/1158625676536229889

  186. Knuckle Dragger

    I clearly recall getting off the Number 37 tram at Melchett after school.

    Every day on the way home I used to buy a gross of puppy livers from Mr Bramble at his apothecary for my pet elk. Mr Bramble was later a very famous opera singer and I watched him on the picture wireless one gorgeous Easter morning.

    Oh, how I danced.

  187. JC

    I don’t think that much materially. Having said that, the time you should really worry is if China goes into some recession. I’m not predicting that, because idiots have been peddling that bullshit for the past 20 years. But what I would comfortably predict is if China goes into a recession, we’re royally fucked. In fact we would be beyond fucked.

  188. a reader

    So which of you has started the 1amp as a contrarian parody account? It’s honestly like a bird infestation at times

  189. Leigh Lowe

    An acre is not necessarily a rectangle.
    It could be a circle of 71 and 3/4 metres diameter.
    Which would be a bitch to fence off.

  190. Knuckle Dragger

    Second Test.

    Sack Warner and Bancroft. They can spend it eating dicks and bowling in the nets, along with Aleem Dar and Joel Wilson.

    Marcus Harris and Ranatunga-lite can open. Everyone else moves up a notch, and Nathan Coulter-Nile goes in at 7.

    Yes I spent all day coming up with this.

  191. Infidel Tiger

    Sack Smith. Didn’t take a wicket and dropped a catch.

  192. Knuckle Dragger

    I think we’ve all forgotten the impact cubic acres have on the economy.

  193. Infidel Tiger

    Imperial measurements all make far more sense than that stupid French shit.

  194. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    the average air temperature in the world (at approx 15C) can heat up that much water in the oceans with a surface temperature average of approximately 14C.

    Digger,
    The atmosphere does not “heat up” the oceans, the oceans lose heat to the atmosphere.

  195. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘stupid French shit’

    Hey!

    Do I really have to remind you of the Royale with cheese?

    Or the ‘big brain on Brad’?

  196. John Constantine

    Big Australia has locked in spending a trillion dollars based upon the chicoms not realising how vunerable we are and asking for a better deal.

    Liabilities already incurred and the infrastructure is already decaying for lack of maintenance through the overloading pressure of the Big Australia mass importation of voters into the cities.

    The lefty magic pudding solution that allows us to not spend the trillion we do not have is one belt, one road- victoria already signed up for this loanshark debtfunding.

    In reality, the solution looks like being rationing.

    Not venezuela, more like cuba.

    Ration electricity/water/gas/fuel/medical until australia hits a sustainable level of Cheerful Squalor.

    At gunpoint.

    Camarada.

  197. Brice of Newcastle:

    The so-called Carmel project, launched three years ago, aims to develop not the vehicle itself, but its brains and sensors, which can be installed into existing tanks.
    All three firms succeeded in reducing the number of soldiers to two.

    They’ll work out why there were 4 – 5 crew members in tanks the first time they need to repair a track.

  198. Lazlo

    What causes recessions JC?

  199. Lazlo

    Always failures of capital markets, I reckon.

  200. cohenite

    dover_beach

    #3125214, posted on August 6, 2019 at 10:12 pm

    Finished watching Chernobyl. Quite good. Had no idea the situation was that serious.

    It wasn’t.

  201. Bruce in WA

    Coca-Cola angers people with ad featuring gay couples kissing
    Coca-Cola has declared its support for the LGBTQI community, but a politician and conservative activists are furious with the campaign.
    Coca-Cola has featured same-sex couples kissing in commercials over bottles of the major soft drink in Hungary. And politicians and conservative activists are furious.
    The ads have been splashed on billboards as well as the company’s Hungarian Facebook page. They show couples sharing a cold drink for the “Love is Love” campaign accompanied with slogans such as “Zero Sugar, Zero Prejudice”.
    A politician from the ruling Fidesz party as well as conservative media outlets have called for the drink maker to be boycotted.

  202. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Judge calls rOpe case evidence law an ‘affront to justice’

    exclusive
    Nicola Berkovic
    Legal Affairs Correspondent
    @NicBerko
    51 minutes ago August 6, 2019

    A man accused of rOpe will be forced to defend himself in court without being allowed to tell the jury about the alleged victim’s history of making false allegations to police, in a situation the judge has labelled an “affront to justice”.

    A NSW judge has called for law reform after he was forced to exclude the evidence from the man’s trial because it was caught by strict state legislation aimed at protecting rOpe victims from being cross-­examined on their s&xual history.

    He joins at least three other judges who have called for the legislation to be reformed to give courts a wider discretion to allow evidence to prevent an injustice.

    The regional NSW woman had accused the man of rOping her.

    The man, known as “RB”, denied the allegations. He argued he should be allowed to introduce evidence of 12 incidents in which the woman made false complaints about s&xual abuse.

    This included two separate incidents in which she made false reports to police, prompting s&xual assault investigations that ended in her admitting her allegations were fabricated.

    After the second incident, she was charged and pleaded guilty to making a false report to police.

    The judge said the history of false complaints was relevant to the trial, but he could not allow the evidence to be introduced because it was caught by section 293 of the Criminal Procedure Act. The section was introduced to stop “offensive and demeaning” cross-examination related to a complainant’s s&xual history.

    From the Oz.

  203. JC

    lazlo

    The financial markets are the best signals for coming recession. I believe that serious recessions of the type we saw last decade are brought on by financial mismanagement by central banks.

    But lots of things can cause shallower recessions. A sudden spike in the oil price for instance. Demand shock from say China falling into recession having a cascading impact on us. We may not even see it in the classic sense.

    We could see the Australian dollar falling back down to 50 cents. This could be looked on as a recession as our relative standard of living would fall against the rest of the world even though the employment picture may not change all that drastically.

    Banks are highly leveraged so any sudden adverse impact would be seen in the banking system.

    But what causes recessions?

    It would have to be a sudden and precipitous drop in income across the economy.

  204. Leigh Lowe

    The judge said the history of false complaints was relevant to the trial, but he could not allow the evidence to be introduced because it was caught by section 293 of the Criminal Procedure Act. The section was introduced to stop “offensive and demeaning” cross-examination related to a complainant’s s&xual history.

    Horseshit.
    The judge is playing “my hands are tied” knowing it will stitch the bloke up.
    He could simply admit questions about prior dishonest complaints, without raising any specifics about sexual activity.

  205. John Constantine

    Big Clive is always in court, so this social media post of Mr Palmers may or may not mean anything.

    Did an opposing legal firm deliberately conceal documents it should have disclosed and did this affect the outcome?.

    Palmer released from all claims

    Queensland Nickel saga over after bombshell revelations

    Following revelations in the Supreme Court of Queensland last Friday that the legal firm King & Wood Mallesons (KWM) had deliberately withheld crucial documents from disclosure, the Special Purpose Liquidator has executed a Settlement Agreement with Clive Palmer and all the defendants in the Queensland Nickel case.

    The Special Purpose Liquidator (SPL) has withdrawn all claims against Clive Palmer and other defendants.

    Justice Mullins of the Supreme Court of Queensland directed last Friday that a solicitor from King & Wood Mallesons who had carriage of the matter must provide an affidavit explaining why the document wasn’t disclosed soon after it was provided to King & Wood Mallesons.

    KWM had not yet complied with the Justice Mullins’ direction. Mr Palmer said it wasn’t a good look for the legal profession when a leading law firm and solicitors did not comply immediately with a direction of the Supreme Court of Queensland.

    Talking about quantum level billing, company liquidators are famous for it.

  206. C.L.

    Our prestigious national awards …

    Activist and Australian of the Year finalist, 24, who fought to protect children from [email protected]–les faces 10 years in jail after admitting grooming an underage boy and possessing child pornography.

    An activist who fought to protect children from sexual predators online is facing up to 10 years jail after admitting to several child sex offences.

    William Russell, 24, on Tuesday pleaded guilty at Adelaide’s District Court to grooming an underage boy in July 2017.

    The former young South Australian of the Year finalist had also previously pleaded guilty to two counts of possessing child exploitation material in August 2017.

    He founded the Adelaide-based child advocacy group, Teen Support Network, urging teenagers, parents and children to be weary of [email protected]–d0ph1lz on the internet.

    Gee, he doesn’t look dodgy at all … Note the picture copyright.

  207. Steve Truckler:

    The Big Boy, not Bow.

    Notice how the name is shadowed out?
    I watched up to the 6:30 minute part just to see.
    Has Youtube given a reason for this?

  208. Lazlo

    All good, and not letting central banks off the hook – they are unnecessary.

    But a “sudden and precipitous drop in income across the economy” can only come about because of a collapse in trade, when everything stops moving.

    Wealth is only created by trading and market competition. But trading relies on credit. When that dries up (we used to call it a “credit squeeze”) we get a recession.

    So it is about capital markets.

    I am not casting aspersions here, just analysis.

  209. JC

    So it is about capital markets.

    No, I’m not sure about that. There was a recession in the US around 2000. There was no real heavy duty concern about the banking system. I’m sure bank were looking over their clients books, but there was no real drama in the capital markets. There certainly was a signal in stock markets with the nazzi collapsing.

  210. John Constantine

    Big Australia has made us so rich we can afford to have Tiny Homes.

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/tiny-homes-a-potential-solution-to-help-get-homeless-people-off-the-streets

    Launch Housing chief executive Bevan Warner said the concept was all about using smaller spaces in the best way possible.

    “Well it’s a standard home that’s shrunk. It’s 20 square metres inside with about nine square metres of front and back balconies and sitting on a plot of land of between 60 to 90 square metres,” he said.

    “It’s pet friendly, pets can run around, it’s fenced. It’s a small community tethered to a larger community so we have six tiny homes on a big suburban block connected to neighbours.

    “We think it’s a fantastic way to tackle chronic homelessness.”

    The $9 million project has been funded by philanthropists Launch Housing and the Victorian Property Fund, and has approval to build a total of 57 small homes for the homeless.

    Six Tiny Homes of 20 square meters [ about fifteen feet by fifteen feet] on an old quarter acre block.

    The American tradition of trailer parks should be coming to Australia, but the State hates mobility.

    Rumours of a hundred and fifty grand each for the tiny homes.

    Custard could sell you a damn fine caravan for that.

  211. Lazlo

    That was the burst of the IT tech bubble, inflated by the Y2K scare. Remember all the ridiculous floats from that time? A lot of private investors were seriously burnt. But the banks were never that exposed.

    But it isn’t about banks collapsing, although that happens in extremis, but about capital droughts – that is what causes recessions.

  212. Leigh Lowe

    “Well it’s a standard home that’s shrunk. It’s 20 square metres inside with about nine square metres of front and back balconies and sitting on a plot of land of between 60 to 90 square metres,” he said.

    This has somehow become all cool and green and “light footprint”.
    20 sq mtrs?
    FMD.
    A shower is 1 sq mtr.
    A bog is 2.
    A small bedroom is 3 x 3.3 = 10.

  213. Knuckle Dragger:
    How much did they charge for the puppy livers?

  214. Leigh Lowe

    Winston Smith

    #3125292, posted on August 7, 2019 at 12:08 am

    Knuckle Dragger:
    How much did they charge for the puppy livers?

    Any more than tuppence a cubit would be highway robbery.

  215. JC

    but about capital droughts – that is what causes recessions.

    What causes a capital drought? It has to be an income drop.

  216. Lazlo

    No, it’s fear, lack of confidence. Would you bet your house/job on this investment.

  217. Leigh Lowe

    Lazlo

    #3125290, posted on August 7, 2019 at 12:07 am

    That was the burst of the IT tech bubble, inflated by the Y2K scare. Remember all the ridiculous floats from that time?

    Yes.
    Madness.
    Penny-dreadful miners sticking “dot-com” on the end and issuing a statement that they were a whizz-bang tech co.
    I was working for The Satanic Mill Mfg Co and some dickhead senior manager seriously suggested we should become “satanicmills.com”
    Lower case and .com would fix everything.

  218. JC

    No, it’s fear, lack of confidence. Would you bet your house/job on this investment.

    You would have 3 months ago, so why not now. What happened?

  219. Lazlo

    It’s all about asset appreciation, a fickle game.

  220. Knuckle Dragger:

    Any more than tuppence a cubit would be highway robbery.

    And how cool would it be to have a carnivorous elk!
    Did you get to take it to show and tell?
    Did it eat the teacher?

  221. Leigh Lowe

    Lazlo

    #3125299, posted on August 7, 2019 at 12:16 am

    What happened in 1929?

    I dunno?
    Dr Bee Gan made his first Cat post from “Cuba”?
    What?

  222. JC

    The market has a melt down for a number of reasons, but the prime one was a monetary policy tightening and looking forward people believed there would be a big income drop across the board.

  223. Lazlo

    Perhaps you have too much riding on central government JC. Things happen from the bottom up, not top down. I recommend Matt Ridley: The Evolution of Everything.

  224. Digger

    Digger,
    The atmosphere does not “heat up” the oceans, the oceans lose heat to the atmosphere.

    Peter, that is a moot point. I was not arguing the science of temperature inter-relationship between the atmosphere and oceans, I was stating what the global warming scientists use as a tool to influence the thinking of the population. ie. if we allow greenhouse gases to warm the atmosphere that in turn will warm the oceans….

  225. None

    Why is Cardinal Pell still in jail?

  226. Leigh Lowe

    Lazlo

    #3125295, posted on August 7, 2019 at 12:13 am

    No, it’s fear, lack of confidence. Would you bet your house/job on this investment.

    Fear on the way up.
    Fear on the way down.
    Fear of Missing Out is in a constant battle with Fear of Being Left Holding the Bag.

  227. egg_

    What happened in 1929?

    I dunno?
    Dr Bee Gan made his first Cat post from “Cuba”?

    Letter from America?

    The series ran from 24 March 1946 to 20 February 2004, making it the longest-running speech radio programme hosted by one individual in history.

  228. None

    Perhaps inspired by the Christchurch massacre, Jacinda Ardern moves in for the kill:

    Sweeping abortion law changes: Woman’s right to choose until 20 weeks.

    Succinct and accurate.

  229. JC

    Perhaps you have too much riding on central government JC.

    I most certainly do, it fucks up everything things it touches.

  230. Top Ender

    The inquiry into allegations of a VIP sex abuse ring codenamed Operation Midland ranks as the most disgraceful episode in the recent history of the Metropolitan Police.

    A scandal suggesting something rotten in the state of our law-enforcement system.

    Acting on the flimsiest pretext, Scotland Yard officers invaded the homes of innocent people in lightning raids, employing search warrants obtained after a court was deceived.

    In an omission described by an eminent former High Court judge as a perversion of justice and potentially criminal, the investigating team failed to disclose evidence that undermined the case for the house searches, carried out in the full glare of national publicity and resulting in enormous distress for those involved.

    Link

  231. Lazlo

    Of course, the smart traders try to anticipate these effects LL.

  232. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Sorry Digger, but that’s not even what the flatulent and fraudulent “climate scientists” argue.
    Even they accept that heat transfers from the oceans to the atmosphere, but then claim atmospheric CO2 in some way slows down atmospheric heat loss, and even “reheats” the atmosphere.

    The sun heats the oceans, the oceans lose heat to the atmosphere via evaporation, the evaporated water vapour (gas) rises until it loses energy and forms minute droplets of liquid water (clouds), the lost energy radiates backout into space and the droplets coalesce into larger drops and fall as precipitation.

    End of story.
    So-called “greenhouse gases”, including CO2, have SFA to do with it.

  233. Leigh Lowe

    Now we have noos from Cooba.
    Today nothing happen.
    Is true, nothing happen yesterday and also day before.
    But today … today, the nothing, it happen later than esspected.
    Nobody know why.
    And nobody care.
    But I will deduce it with my yuuuge brain.

  234. None

    So while one Knox Grammar graduate is off interviewing the Taliban in Afghanistan a Knox Grammar teacher is dealing in child p**n. We do know that terrorists fund a lot of their activities through child p*** trade. Is there a connection?

  235. Lazlo

    Except that, in El Niño events, the sun super heats already warm water that has been prevented from returning to the eastern Pacific.

  236. John Constantine

    9 million bucks for 60 tiny homes is 150 grand each.

    Bit conflicted, low ongoing maintenance is good, having people with problems packed tight together can make things hard, or easier to service. Low power bills if your whole house is just your bedroom, low rates, and you can still have a small garden and a small pet.

    Cost of land not included?.

    Once the Ponxi unwinds, trailer parks will come to Australia. Too soon yet to do venture capital of a chain that is the McDonalds of trailer parks, using robots and artificial intelligence to provide a secure enviroment with clean dunnies and safe showers, but Rationing in Australia means a thirty foot long onsite van will be as close to a castle as a class of prole can hope for.

    Scrapheap pale stale disposable dissenting vanman.

  237. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    And how is that an “exception”, Lazlo?

  238. C.L.

    The new weirdly sudden, seemingly orchestrated abortion extremism is being pushed by two childless female premiers. Make of that what you will.

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