Tuesday Forum: August 6, 2019

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  1. Lazlo

    Caused by storms interrupting convection currents, as I understand it. El Ninos are an entirely natural event whereby surface Pacific waters already warmed travelling east-west are warmed again by the sun.

    But don’t rely on me. I know as much about this as I do economic recessions.

  2. Leigh Lowe

    All of the warming is hiding at the bottom of the sea.
    Near Atlantis.
    Obvious.

  3. John Constantine

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/snow/114758547/snowmageddon-at-mt-ruapehu-expected-to-open-up-whole-mountain-at-whakapapa-and-troa

    Snowmageddon for the Kiwis, Snowpocalypse for Tassie, Snowzilla for Sydney.

    Ballarat no Bleaker than usual.

  4. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    You’re not explaining anything, Lazlo. El Nino and La Nina are atmospheric conditions dependent on where the bulk of the heat transfer between the oceans and the atmosphere takes place.

    The transfer of energy from the sun, to the oceans, from the oceans to the atmosphere, and then from the atmosphere back out into space, producing evaporation and precipitation along the way, is independent of the El Nino/La Nina cycle, where is just the defining of a location where these changes are taking place, and which cycles back and forth across the Pacific.

  5. John Constantine

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/doree/who-is-the-tiny-house-revolution-for

    forthcoming series Love Yurts, starring a couple from Tiny House, Big Living who are building yurts for clients all over Hawaii. If you’re interested in being on Love Yurts, you’ll only learn from the casting page that “these funky, ready-to-pop domiciles are gaining mainstream appeal and are riding the housing market’s newest wave of living ‘green.’ Easy to build, easy to portage (if you so desire) and easy on the eyes, you and your yurt could be the envy of all your neighbors!”

    “Love Yurts”

    [ i do like the niche Tiny Home that beats council planning Nazis by having bolt on wheels so it is technically ‘portageable’]

  6. John Constantine

    Big Australia has made us so rich we can live in Mongolian Love Yurts during a Ballarat Snowmageddon winter.

  7. John Constantine

    Big Australia politicals living in Tiny Houses, on television, for a week.

    Reality programming for Rationed Australia.

    Marissa Payne and christine nixon living in a twenty square meter Love Yurt for a week, Televised.

    “Two Walk In, then the gentle snows fall like a blanket on the roof and transforms the scene into one out of The Donner Party.

    “I Had To Eat” really means something when rationing bites

  8. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Boofhead is insisting it’s time for bed.

  9. jupes

    I wish. You can’t believe what the contractor sent over to fix a faulty shower. Two Chinese dudes who didn’t speak a single word of English and when I asked a question, one called his boss who then translated over the mobile. We reckon we have it bad with immigration. THAT would never happen here. They fucked it up too.

    LOL yeah nah JC.

    We had our place in Sydney painted by a Chicom “doctor” and his motley crew of foreign painters. Only the doc spoke English. We found that out when he left and his idiot workers got the colour scheme wrong. The doc came back and sorted them out before they left forgetting to paint the back door.

    Cheap but.

  10. Tom

    David Rowe dreams of gun confiscation #2 (with bonus TDS).

  11. Tom

    Dave Brown (London Independent) goes all-out Trump Derangement.

  12. bespoke

    Cloudflare, by contrast, said that while 8chan “may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit.” Cloudflare noted that its actions were unlikely to keep 8chan offline, but Voxility has at least temporarily done so.

    Nothing to see hear move along. Sinc/ImP?

    Cheers Tom

  13. 1735099

    Renter societies are inherently unstable and socialist

    True, and the move to the gig economy, contracting rather than employing, and the demise of job security as a consequence means more renters.

    The Australian union movement was largely responsible for the growth of a strong middle class.
    As union membership declines, so does the size of that middle class.

  14. Tintarella di Luna

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3125278, posted on August 6, 2019 at 11:29 pm
    Judge calls rOpe case evidence law an ‘affront to justice’

    exclusive
    Nicola Berkovic
    Legal Affairs Correspondent
    @NicBerko
    51 minutes ago August 6, 2019

    A man accused of rOpe will be forced to defend himself in court without being allowed to tell the jury about the alleged victim’s history of making false allegations to police, in a situation the judge has labelled an “affront to justice”.

    A NSW judge has called for law reform after he was forced to exclude the evidence from the man’s trial because it was caught by strict state legislation aimed at protecting rOpe victims from being cross-­examined on their s&xual history.

    He joins at least three other judges who have called for the legislation to be reformed to give courts a wider discretion to allow evidence to prevent an injustice.

    The regional NSW woman had accused the man of rOping her.

    The man, known as “RB”, denied the allegations. He argued he should be allowed to introduce evidence of 12 incidents in which the woman made false complaints about s&xual abuse.

    This included two separate incidents in which she made false reports to police, prompting s&xual assault investigations that ended in her admitting her allegations were fabricated.

    After the second incident, she was charged and pleaded guilty to making a false report to police.

    The judge said the history of false complaints was relevant to the trial, but he could not allow the evidence to be introduced because it was caught by section 293 of the Criminal Procedure Act. The section was introduced to stop “offensive and demeaning” cross-examination related to a complainant’s s&xual history.

    From the Oz.

    For those might not go back to the page 2

  15. mh

    The new weirdly sudden, seemingly orchestrated abortion extremism is being pushed by two childless female premiers. Make of that what you will.

    Did Gladys mention any of this during this year’s NSW election campaign?

    If not, why not, Gladys?

  16. Tintarella di Luna

    Did Gladys mention any of this during this year’s NSW election campaign?

    NO she did not — I shouldn’t have resisted the urge to write “Get stuffed on the Legislative Assembly ballot paper” at least I had Mark Latham to vote for in the Upper House.

  17. struth

    True, and the move to the gig economy, contracting rather than employing, and the demise of job security as a consequence means more renters.

    The Australian union movement was largely responsible for the growth of a strong middle class.
    As union membership declines, so does the size of that middle class.

    I hope you typed that with a Scottish accent, Sniffy McDougCameon.

    It’s like regarding cancer as a cure.
    Not much grey matter in a communist.

  18. bespoke

    DrBeauGan

    Keep posting if nothing just to wind up Abe Simpson aka Peter the habitual blog nanny.

  19. Tintarella di Luna

    Don’t you just love the term “reproductive health” when it actually means reproductive death for the unborn.

    Scott Horton – Making Murder Respectable published 16 July 2007
    The great chronicler of the corruption of language, George Orwell, noted in Politics and the English Language (1946) that “political language . . . is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.” The dangers presented by the proliferation of such language are ominous. Victor Klemperer carefully recorded them in his book, Lingua tertii imperii (The Language of the Third Reich, 1947), perhaps the greatest account ever written of the power of simple twists of language to work murderous evil. And when the homicidal misrepresentations of the warmongers slither into the realm of news reporting, the situation becomes graver still. America has long prided itself on its independent guardian press, but this hardly ever was the case and assuredly is not so today. Even the best of the print media—publications like the New York Times and Washington Post–show the corrosive effects of corrupted language.

    Not only the press but politicians, academics, the wealthy elitist class and the woke wanting-to-be-loved luvvies.

  20. struth

    The section was introduced to stop “offensive and demeaning” cross-examination related to a complainant’s s&xual history.

    If she made it up, in those cases, there is no sexual history.
    There is a history of false allegations regarding sex that did not occur.

  21. Tintarella di Luna

    If she made it up, in those cases, there is no sexual history.
    There is a history of false allegations regarding sex that did not occur.

    That is exactly what I thought when I read that article — so the judiciary regards the fabrication of sexual assault as sexual assault — gee that is a fertile field there

  22. Cassie of Sydney

    “Not much grey matter in a communist.”

    Struth… Obviously there is very little “grey matter” to be found in his little brain. It explains a lot. Grey matter aids “self control”…something that is very clearly missing from the loser from Toowoomba’s head.

  23. Cassie of Sydney

    “bespoke
    #3125360, posted on August 7, 2019 at 6:06 am
    DrBeauGan

    Keep posting if nothing just to wind up Abe Simpson aka Peter the habitual blog nanny.”

    Yes and yet Peter regularly admonishes others for being “censorious” and “prudish”.

  24. bespoke

    Yes it was amusing cumming from the passive aggressive control freak, Cassie.

  25. struth

    That is exactly what I thought when I read that article — so the judiciary regards the fabrication of sexual assault as sexual assault — gee that is a fertile field there

    Most judges are raving lefties , as we know.

    Just like our troll who thinks industry wrecking unions are the cause of middle class wealth and national prosperity, and socialists aren’t socialists when he feels like distancing himself from it’s horror,we shouldn’t expect too much from them, either, I suppose.
    Very insulated types as well as being thick, and usually with a moral compass well and truly stuffed after years in the law game.

  26. Cassie of Sydney

    “unions are the cause of middle class wealth”

    I thought that line was pure comedy.

  27. bespoke

    struth

    Numberwang is the most crass self promoting capitalist out. Spamming blogs, mooching free stuff so he is just projecting the worst that’s with in him. A failed Nigerien Prince.

  28. struth

    Yes and yet Peter regularly admonishes others for being “censorious” and “prudish”.

    It’s not about being prudish.

    The stubborn old prick gets on here, on this political blog, dribbles shit about all sorts of bullshit, up to and including that his recently departed wife like cunnilingus, and then proceeds in a very condescending manner, to tell others what to write and who to respond to!
    Honestly, you couldn’t make that shit up.
    Write what you like, even though I think the cunnilingus comment showed a complete lack of respect toward his dead wife, and he should keep that shit to himself , I didn’t say anything about it until he started pompously (and therefore very hypocritically) admonishing those, replying to Sniffy.
    He wants us to think it’s about being prudes.
    It’s not.
    It’s about his hypocrisy and condescention.

  29. Cassie of Sydney

    “struth
    #3125372, posted on August 7, 2019 at 6:38 am”

    Well said.

  30. calli

    Sheesh, you guys.

    Who left the fridge door open?

  31. struth

    Numberwang is the most crass self promoting capitalist out. Spamming blogs, mooching free stuff so he is just projecting the worst that’s with in him. A failed Nigerien Prince

    Numbers is a lifelong insulated public servant bludger.
    The thing that upset him the most about going to Vietnam was that he was made to do something.

  32. bespoke

    Write something on an open forum thinks it wont be called out is naive. Thinking an open forum is your own personal chat room and threatening people is next level demented.

  33. calli

    Plumbers have left the working class and joined the middle class because of unions?

    Chuckle.

  34. pete m

    Our plumber neighbour only works on union large building jobs and never on weekends. He cleared after tax over 3k a few weeks back and mostly earns clear 2k per week. Definitely middle class!

    Most of the trades assistants with no qualifications do very nicely too.

    They are all working on their own houses using mates and mysteriously sourced material, turning over houses every couple years for a tidy profit.

    As john would say

    Comrade.

  35. struth

    CRIMINAL PROCEDURE ACT 1986 – SECT 293
    Admissibility of evidence relating to sexual experience
    293 Admissibility of evidence relating to sexual experience

    (1) This section applies to proceedings in respect of a prescribed sexual offence.

    (2) Evidence relating to the sexual reputation of the complainant is inadmissible.

    (3) Evidence that discloses or implies:
    (a) that the complainant has or may have had sexual experience or a lack of sexual experience, or

    (b) has or may have taken part or not taken part in any sexual activity,
    is inadmissible.
    (4) Subsection (3) does not apply:
    (a) if the evidence:
    (i) is of the complainant’s sexual experience or lack of sexual experience, or of sexual activity or lack of sexual activity taken part in by the complainant, at or about the time of the commission of the alleged prescribed sexual offence, and

    (ii) is of events that are alleged to form part of a connected set of circumstances in which the alleged prescribed sexual offence was committed,

    (b) if the evidence relates to a relationship that was existing or recent at the time of the commission of the alleged prescribed sexual offence, being a relationship between the accused person and the complainant,

    (c) if:
    (i) the accused person is alleged to have had sexual intercourse (within the meaning of Division 10 of Part 3 of the Crimes Act 1900 ) with the complainant, and the accused person does not concede the sexual intercourse so alleged, and

    (ii) the evidence is relevant to whether the presence of semen, pregnancy, disease or injury is attributable to the sexual intercourse alleged to have been had by the accused person,

    (d) if the evidence is relevant to:
    (i) whether at the time of the commission of the alleged prescribed sexual offence there was present in the complainant a disease that, at any relevant time, was absent in the accused person, or

    (ii) whether at any relevant time there was absent in the complainant a disease that, at the time of the commission of the alleged prescribed sexual offence, was present in the accused person,

    (e) if the evidence is relevant to whether the allegation that the prescribed sexual offence was committed by the accused person was first made following a realisation or discovery of the presence of pregnancy or disease in the complainant (being a realisation or discovery that took place after the commission of the alleged prescribed sexual offence),

    (f) if the evidence has been given by the complainant in cross-examination by or on behalf of the accused person, being evidence given in answer to a question that may, pursuant to subsection (6), be asked,
    and if the probative value of the evidence outweighs any distress, humiliation or embarrassment that the complainant might suffer as a result of its admission.

    (5) A witness must not be asked:
    (a) to give evidence that is inadmissible under subsection (2) or (3), or

    (b) by or on behalf of the accused person, to give evidence that is or may be admissible under subsection (4) unless the court has previously decided that the evidence would, if given, be admissible.

    (6) If the court is satisfied:
    (a) that it has been disclosed or implied in the case for the prosecution against the accused person that the complainant has or may have, during a specified period or without reference to any period:
    (i) had sexual experience, or a lack of sexual experience, of a general or specified nature, or

    (ii) had taken part in, or not taken part in, sexual activity of a general or specified nature, and

    (b) the accused person might be unfairly prejudiced if the complainant could not be cross-examined by or on behalf of the accused person in relation to the disclosure or implication,
    the complainant may be so cross-examined, but only in relation to the experience or activity of the nature (if any) so specified during the period (if any) so specified.
    (7) On the trial of a person, any question as to the admissibility of evidence under subsection (2) or (3) or the right to cross-examine under subsection (6) is to be decided by the court in the absence of the jury.

    (8) If the court decides that evidence is admissible under subsection (4), the court must, before the evidence is given, record or cause to be recorded in writing the nature and scope of the evidence that is so admissible and the reasons for that decision.

    So the judge is either thick, incompetent, or a liar.

    I even emboldened the part that definitely allows him to accept evidence of false allegation.
    As does the whole thing,

  36. bespoke

    I think ‘class’ and income are to separate things. Same goes education and intelligence.

  37. bespoke

    two or too. whatever 👌

  38. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I am still shadow banned

    Are you Rae? Well, that is good news. Your behavior here under various names has been appalling, especially towards me (still ongoing too, I note) and other women, adding nothing to a specific-purpose blog (libertarian and centre-right).

    Many people write NADT when they joke here about others even though the comment in context is clearly jocular or satirical in nature and intent. If they omit NADT in error late at night, Sinc may remove a comment. That is up to Sinc under the current private nature of blog ownership.

    Anyone who feels threatened in any serious way by people who claim to know the addresses and identities of others here is free take appropriate police and legal action. My husband has had certain concerns about you re this, although I persuade him you bloviate more than threaten. Anonymity is protective of course, which is why I and others prefer it.

  39. Knuckle Dragger

    I’m not from New South Wales.

    Never lived there, unless you count doing stuff at Singleton and I truly believe Sydney (with the exception of the Steyne Hotel in Manly) is a hilly, untidy unplanned mess of a joint beholden to geography.

    I go for Queensland in the State of Origin when I’m interested enough because I’m amused by the idea of secession, or NQ becoming a separate state.

    The last time I was in NSW was by accident. But I’ll have a go at comprehending their legislation.

    Even leaving aside the bolded bits by struth above, and as somebody pointed out overnight, there APPEARS TO BE absolutely no reason whatsoever that you can’t cross-examine a witness/victim/alleged victim in relation to their credibility, and in particular their honesty. This has been a staple of the system forever, and rightly so.

    The defence has the absolute right to expose a person giving evidence for the prosecution if that person has a demonstrated history of being a Pants on Fire. All you would have to do here, it would seem, is simply not go into what they were lying about.

    And then as a very decent backup you have the probative value clause, which is always fertile ground as the high-falutin’ lawyer types say.

    I cannot believe that there are one or more blokes sitting right now in Long Bay or Goulburn having copped it sweet because of this stupid argument. I would think (think) that it just hasn’t been argued hard enough by a silk that’s convincing enough.

  40. Mater

    Plumbers have left the working class and joined the middle class because of unions?

    The tradies I know that have joined the middle class, own their own businesses and are none too fond of the Unions (I think JC funds them! ;-))

    The Unionists I know are currently a little upset because their union is wanting to REDUCE their pay and perks, in order to make everyone equal in the latest EBA. Equality in great…when you’re below the average!

  41. calli

    The socks were vewy vewy angwy last night.

  42. Leigh Lowe

    The socks were vewy vewy angwy last night.

    It’s OK.
    I’ve txtd Marcia and she will wash them, along with her skimpy underwear.
    She is due later this evening (it is evening here because of the roundness of the earth).
    I hope she isn’t going to be late.

  43. calli

    That’s my experience, Mater.

    I also know a number of business owners who work almost exclusively for government projects (by nature highly unionised). They have made many…many millions in the highly regulated environment. The payroll grunts…not so much.

    Mind you, there’s a huge investment in OH&S compliance. Those great tomes don’t write themselves.

  44. Mater

    The Australian union movement was largely responsible for the growth of a strong middle class.
    As union membership declines, so does the size of that middle class.

    I tend to agree with the first part of this.

    Unions forcing employers to pay good money to good workers and bludgers alike, forcing them to employ more people than was necessary to do the job and coercing them to invent and fund unnecessary ‘roles’ for union mates would definitely expand the middle class, by definition.

    As for the second part, Bob’s f-cked up the cause and effect. As these heavily unionised industries are forced overseas by union actions, union membership naturally declines. As does that part of the middle class.

  45. 1735099

    The thing that upset him the most about going to Vietnam was that he was made to do something.

    In my 72 years, no-one has succeeded in “making” me do anything I didn’t want to do.
    Try it with a child (especially a child on the Autism spectrum).
    Try making that child do something he/she doesn’t want to do.
    It’s surprising that an adult (I presume you’re an actual adult) hasn’t worked this out yet.

  46. calli

    Some of us go vacationing for the sightseeing. Others to smoke cigars with the locals.

    This is DrBeau’s Hemmingway moment.

    I expect to see a slim volume of fulsome observations appear just in time for Christmas.

  47. Mother Lode

    Did Gladys mention any of this* during this year’s NSW election campaign?

    *The push to make abortion legal, well thought of, and as rare as ‘whenever you want’.

    It is a move from an independent, Alex Greenwich, isn’t it?

    The Libs may not have been planning on it, so there was no more need to discuss it in the election than anything else they were not planning on.

    What is sickening is the gusto with which they have leapt upon it at the first opportunity, seemingly without the least cavil that this is felt to be a profoundly moral issue by the electorate.

    Politicians have no more business adjudicating on moral issues than a blind man flying a passenger plane.

  48. 1735099

    Maybe the Yanks are beginning to wake up.
    Anything is possible…..

  49. Knuckle Dragger

    I know it’s brekky time, but cool story.

    Good friend of mine was a trenchcoat-wearing white-trash tormenting worker at the Flemington CIB in Melbourne some time back. The office is around the corner from Racecourse Road and about a five minute walk through a couple of back streets from the Newmarket railway station.

    Local chick ‘Laura’ alternated between home and her mates’ couches. On her couch weeks she’d go down the railway station and hand out polishes to the punters for a bit of change. Non-stop she was.

    Every fortnight or so someone would, after being in receipt of said polish, renege on the deal and hop on the next train to wherever. Being a fan of ‘coverage’, an indignant Laura would jog down to the cop shop and whinge to the poor of uniforms, whilst standing at the counter liberally daubed in bodily fluids, about not getting some coin from the commuter. The uniforms, of course, would call the CIB in from next door who would listen to her story, agree with her that it wasn’t fair and that they’d be on the lookout for someone with no description, and send her on her way before taking a Polaroid of her for ‘evidence’. Which joined the collection on one of the pinboards in the office.

    A fortnight later, another pic on the board. And so on.

    She wasn’t slow, and they knew she wasn’t intellectually or otherwise disabled because of her psych reports from unrelated court appearances. She just loved what she did, and liked some sympathy from a captive audience.

    The point is, should Laura have repeated this behaviour with Joe Punter one morning in the tunnel under the railway station, and then whether she was paid or not decided to make a complaint of rope – and without prejudging the judiciary or the defence or whoever – there would I imagine be heated pre-trial argument over whether her prior behaviour should be admitted into evidence.

    And I believe that it should. The probative value of that evidence far outweighs any distress or embarrassment, as much as my friend would have not necessarily wanted her story broadcast in open court.

    Common sense, in all things, should prevail.

  50. Mother Lode

    I think ‘class’ and income are to separate things. Same goes education and intelligence.

    Absolutely!

    You can’t buy class.

    You either are class, or you aren’t.

    Look at Boob Carr. All that money blown on what he imagines to be accoutrements of class, but he still comes across as an awkward spotty boy who thinks he can score a date with the hottest girl in school by offering to show her his Dungeons and Dragons figurines still in their original boxes and his collection of stamps from countries that start with ‘K’.

  51. Farmer Gez

    In my 72 years, no-one has succeeded in “making” me do anything I didn’t want to do.

    Seriously?
    You’re married I believe.

  52. struth

    In my 72 years, no-one has succeeded in “making” me do anything I didn’t want to do.

    Good to know.
    So shooting at commies in Vietnam was something you wanted all along.
    Sort of like a hunting trip with ya mates.

  53. calli

    Would skill scarcity be part of the picture too, Mater?

    My family was always considered “working class”. Dad, like his dad before him, was a tradesman. A world away from factory workers and labourers, but still “working”. There were tiers, naturally.

    The middle class was a group of small business owners, tech qualified white collar workers, public servants and bankies. Upper was the high-end professions (medicine, law), people who lived off their investments and big business Nabobs. Somewhere between were farmers – small holders to squattocracy.

    Everyone in the first group wanted their sons to “work clean”, go to uni and break into the next tier.

    And so fewer went into trades. And now tradies are nicely cashed up because of supply and demand.

  54. calli

    I’m looking at the class thing through the prism of the 60’s and 70’s. Things have become much more blurred.

    On the “class” as a behavioural measure, can’t put lipstick on a pig.

    Well, you can. But it still remains a pig.

  55. Knuckle Dragger

    Kazakhstan.
    Kyrgystan.
    Kooba.

  56. Mother Lode

    The Australian union movement was largely responsible for the growth of a strong middle class.

    Union drones and socialists believe that if there were no unions then events would have unfolded as Marx predicted – the unremitting failure of marxism to anticipate anything notwithstanding.

  57. cohenite

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3125278, posted on August 6, 2019 at 11:29 pm
    Judge calls rOpe case evidence law an ‘affront to justice’

    exclusive
    Nicola Berkovic
    Legal Affairs Correspondent
    @NicBerko
    51 minutes ago August 6, 2019

    A man accused of rOpe will be forced to defend himself in court without being allowed to tell the jury about the alleged victim’s history of making false allegations to police, in a situation the judge has labelled an “affront to justice”.

    A NSW judge has called for law reform after he was forced to exclude the evidence from the man’s trial because it was caught by strict state legislation aimed at protecting rOpe victims from being cross-­examined on their s&xual history.

    I’d be calling the police to give evidence.

  58. Mother Lode

    If she made it up, in those cases, there is no sexual history.
    There is a history of false allegations regarding sex that did not occur.

    My first thought too.

    In fact, in the cases where there was no sexual congress (as in ‘consensual’) it is a non-sexual history.

  59. Leigh Lowe

    OK.
    Can anyone believe this clown claims to have had an affair with a woman?

  60. cohenite

    It’s astounding that Trump is getting the blame for the latest mass shootings in the US. These were both left wing supporters acting in the context of hysteria and hate whipped up by the demorats since Trump took office. The left owns these murders.

  61. 1735099

    So shooting at commies in Vietnam was something you wanted all along.

    Better than two years in the clink and deregistration as a teacher.
    And I was protecting myself and my fellow diggers.
    “Communism” had nothing to do with it.
    That was a convenient political rationalization to fool the punters.
    It worked for a while, but remember “you can fool some of the people”…etc.

  62. Mater

    Would skill scarcity be part of the picture too, Mater?

    Very true, Calli. The growth of the ‘education’ industry has changed the makeup of the middle class, if income is the definition.

    As for my background, death duties stole the family farm (marginal at the best of times) and forced my family into the city, and my father into a foundry. He came home black every night (covered in soot) from that moment onwards. No one wants that for their children. He needn’t have been worried though, his job is now in China. That said, no one wants their children sitting around, unemployed, holding onto a Bachelor of Gender Studies either.

  63. Leigh Lowe

    In my 72 years, no-one has succeeded in “making” me do anything I didn’t want to do.

    Seriously?
    You’re married I believe

    No, no, Spud is Master and Commander on the home front.
    Even despatches the seriously ill spouse to do the shopping in the heat while he sits in the MX5 with the air-con running and shouting at Alan Jones on the wireless.
    He said so himself.

  64. calli

    Oh dear. I left school teachers out of the “middle class”, as well as nurses.

    Add in office worker and you have the schoolgirl’s trifecta of post-school choices. Unless she scored a Commonwealth scholarship to uni. On merit, of course. No reverse discrimination, diversity nonsense back then.

  65. Roger

    The age of woke acquaints a man with strange bedfellows:

    Conservative Americans joining unions for protection against woke employers.

    Worth noting that the CFMMEU publicly supported Israel Folau when neither the ostensibly conservative Prime Minister nor the Attorney-General would.

    And today I note liberal lawyer Josh Bornstein has a piece at The Conversation chiding fellow liberals like Frank Brennan S.J. for attempting to frame the Folau-RA affair as purely contractual and not related to religious freedom.

  66. Leigh Lowe

    Knuckle Dragger

    #3125412, posted on August 7, 2019 at 7:58 am

    Kazakhstan.
    Kyrgystan.
    Kooba.

    Korea North
    Korea South
    Kweensland

  67. struth

    So shooting at commies in Vietnam was something you wanted all along.

    Better than two years in the clink and deregistration as a teacher.

    Do I have to point out the bleeding obvious.
    It’s like dealing with a teenage.

  68. calli

    The only thing I can sincerely thank unions for was the equalisation of male/female pay rates in the Bank.

    I used to get really cheesed off that the brainless guilded yoof who started on the same day as I did recieved a higher pay than me because dick. He’d slope off with the tellers to the pub, return late, while I covered for him and skimping on my 45min lunch “hour”.

    Getting that first salary bump up was ambrosia. I believe I put a pair of In Shoppe bell bottoms on lay-by with the difference. Or was that a little something from The House of Merrivale and Mister John? 😁

  69. Geriatric Mayfly

    By one account I read, Marx himself was of Middle Class pedigree. His personal circumstances however were economically fragile, because of his disregard for the basic laws of income and expenditure. Scribbling out endless “conversations” and “texts” generated little more than the rattle of loose change.

  70. Leigh Lowe

    Or was that a little something from The House of Merrivale and Mister John?

    History Channel.
    I think Mrs L’s wedding frock might have come from there.
    Of course, the groom was never privy to all those details.

  71. calli

    Ahhhh. The White Shop.

    Upstairs. I remember it well. 🙂

  72. Leigh Lowe

    Do I have to point out the bleeding obvious.
    It’s like dealing with a teenage.

    Isn’t there a Redgum song, “Always Nineteen“?

  73. Mater

    So shooting at commies in Vietnam was something you wanted all along.

    I’ll just leave this here.

    “Going to Vietnam,” said Donohoe, “I never did want to kill anybody. With all the firepower that was going on, I fired a few shots- I didn’t fire much – and I fired a bit high. I wasn’t against wars or anything, and I don’t want people to think I was a coward. I just didn’t want to have the blood of another man on my hands.”

    The Nashos’ War – Mark Dapin, p366

  74. Mater

    and I fired a bit high.

    I’ll add, that if I was the bloke to his left or right, and found him out, I’d have broken his rifle over his righteous head.

  75. 1735099

    He said so himself.

    The incident referred to happened years ago when we needed a six seater.
    The MX5s (three so far) became a thing when a people mover was no longer necessary.
    Our kids were still at home.
    My wife’s cancer diagnosis was October last year.
    I don’t mind you having a dig, but you’re not really smart enough to make it convincing.
    Best to give it away.
    You’re making a fool of yourself.

  76. stackja

    Charges laid after man allegedly pulls knife on plain clothes police officer – Surry Hills

    Wednesday, 07 August 2019 07:27:31 AM

    A man will face court today after allegedly threatening a police officer with a knife in Surry Hills yesterday.

    About 2.40pm (Tuesday 6 August 2019), a plain clothes police officer was walking along Crown Street, at the corner of Goulburn Street, when a 25-year-old man struck up a conversation with him.

    It is alleged the man became aggressive and took a knife from his bag, advancing toward the officer.

    At this point, the Senior Constable produced his police badge and identified himself as a police officer.

    Following this, the man threw the knife and began to run – however the officer gave chase and arrested him a short distance away.

    He was taken to Surry Hills Police Station and charged with assault, armed with intent to commit an indictable offence, possess knife, and an unrelated stealing he was wanted for.

    The man was refused bail to appear before Central Local Court today (Wednesday 7 August 2019).

  77. Roger

    By one account I read, Marx himself was of Middle Class pedigree.

    Yes, his father was a wealthy lawyer while his wife’s family was of the minor nobility.

    The family had converted to Christianity, although in his youth Marx wrote Satanic verse.

  78. Leigh Lowe

    So, what you are saying Spud, is that you have stopped treating Mrs Spud like a chattel and an indentured servant since she became ill?
    Very magnanimous of you.
    Well done.

  79. Shy Ted

    Swapping Pedro the Insightful for the projectionist rivals Trumble’ deal with Obama re refugees as an “all time terrible deal”.

  80. struth

    In my 72 years, no-one has succeeded in “making” me do anything I didn’t want to…… Better than two years in the clink and deregistration as a teacher.

    Again, the left.
    Absolutely thick and zero self awareness.

    It’s a lack of self awareness that breeds hypocrisy.

  81. Leigh Lowe

    calli

    #3125431, posted on August 7, 2019 at 8:24 am

    Ahhhh. The White Shop.

    Upstairs. I remember it well.

    Was it in Siddy?
    I thought they were only in Melbun.

  82. Shy Ted

    How would the projectionist know when it was? It’s still 1968 in his head.

  83. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Better than two years in the clink and deregistration as a teacher.

    Numbers Ho had a perfectly legal and legitimate option to being conscripted. He chose not to exercise that option. It’s all on Page 45 of Mark Dapin’s book.

  84. The Barking Toad

    Who says men can’t have babies?

    That is so funny BoN.

    I don’t whether to just laugh or laugh a fuckn lot!

  85. 1735099

    It’s still 1968 in his head.

    You are funny.
    In 1968 I was happily teaching 42 year fives.
    Vietnam was down the track.
    Did you learn to count at school?
    My year fives could.

  86. Geriatric Mayfly

    Basketball Player Uses Girlfriend’s Urine to Fake Drug Test, Finds Out He’s Pregnant
    From the Comments:
    Well if it’s inconvenient for his career he can wait for the Dems to get elected and have a government funded abortion. I know, that would be 15 months from now but they are OK with that too.

  87. Cardimona

    Cats, I’ve been deplatformed by my local Daily Mudrock editor for triggering her feelz with truth-bombs.

    Meanwhile, in those golden lands just to the south of Briz-Bane I managed unedited letters two days in a row.

    On BJ’s petition, (still the only mention it’s had in Da Lamestream Meeja)….

    The Editor

    Good to see Barnaby Joyce has started a petition calling for an inquiry into new NSW abortion laws.

    The argument around abortion needs grounding in reality and accurate language.

    A new human life begins at the precise moment a live sperm penetrates a live ovum.

    A couple engaging in sex without wanting a child must ensure the two never meet.

    This is more accurately called “conception prevention” than “birth control”.

    Abortion is being euphemistically called “birth control”, but it kills a baby.

    Abortion, in most cases, is more accurately called “lifestyle infanticide”.

    We live inside our mothers for 40 weeks; we don’t suddenly come to life at 20 or 22 or 24 weeks.

    This is basic biology and we all should’ve learned it at school.

    The unborn baby, whether he or she be 20 days or 20 weeks gestation, is a son or a daughter.

    How deluded are we that we don’t see killing our children is murder – regardless of their age?

    280 days inside Mum, then 31,000 inside society (if we live to 85) – but we’re never “independent”.

    A couple who don’t want their child can adopt him or her out, but murder is unjustifiable.

    If you agree, sign Barnaby’s petition – but Google doesn’t want you to find it.

    Fortunately the web address is simple – http://www.supportlife.com.au/.

    Full disclosure: I am the grandfather of Barnaby’s young sons, but these are my own views.

    (234 words)

    And on the ExStinkShun EcoCommies….

    The Editor

    “Extinction Rebellion is a hard-left extremist organisation with anti-Semitic associations.”

    So says Richard Walton, the former head of the (London) Metropolitan Police’s Counter-Terrorism Command. His full assessment is online at policyexchange.org.uk under “Publications”.

    The UK branch of Extinction Rebellion accidentally left unsecured operational documents online, including their budget and their donors, which were downloaded by at least one UK news outlet.

    Is it any surprise that they reveal the openly global-socialist billionaire George Soros is on the donor list? Greenpeace, which is now run by extreme-left socialists, is too.

    Walton is clear on the appropriate response, “Most immediately, the police must act to prevent demonstrators from taking control of locations in city centres or from blocking roads and bridges.”

    If the Extinction Rebellion’s eco-loons are ruining your day contact your state MP to demand these communists be dealt with promptly and severely.

    (142 words)
    https://policyexchange.org.uk/publication/extremism-rebellion/

  88. Rafiki redux

    The Struth at 6.10 makes a good point and I don’t recall it being made in legal commentary. I think that the High Court has rejected the unconstitutional argument based on Kable. The point has been made that to understand constitutional law without regard to political outcomes is to indulge in fallacious thinking. This is true of the way the courts have dealt with this odious provisions. Cat threadsters will know what the poltics are.

  89. Mater

    So shooting at commies in Vietnam was something you wanted all along.

    Struth,
    As per my quote above, nobody forced anybody to shoot AT the commies.

    A bit like Bob’s defence of compulsory voting, they weren’t forced to shoot anybody, they were just forced to attend and sign their name off.

  90. Mater

    Did you learn to count at school?
    My year fives could.

    Given your track history, you’re on dangerous ground there.

  91. stackja

    Jenny Leong’s call to ‘destroy the patriarchy’ during abortion debate

    The Greens MP for Newtown, who had an abortion when she was 20, has raised eyebrows during a heated debate in NSW Parliament about abortion reform.
    Mitchell Van Homrigh, The Daily Telegraph
    Subscriber only

    August 6, 2019 11:01pm

    A Greens MP has raised eyebrows during passionate debate about abortion reform saying not all people who have uteruses are women.

    Newtown Greens MP Jenny Leong suggested those born female but who identify as men or who don’t identify as women, also have reproductive organs necessary to carry a child.

  92. Tel

    By one account I read, Marx himself was of Middle Class pedigree. His personal circumstances however were economically fragile, because of his disregard for the basic laws of income and expenditure. Scribbling out endless “conversations” and “texts” generated little more than the rattle of loose change.

    Friedrich Engels was a somewhat well-to-do industrialist, but only because he inherited the shop … he didn’t build that. Married an Irish SJW and fancied himself something of a great writer and philosopher … actually paid Marx to do his writing then stuck his name alongside. That’s how Marx could make a living off his writing.

    It was all about seeming to be doing something important, and giving the appearance of social consciousness … 100 million murders by totalitarian socialists later … and very little has changed.

  93. Dr Faustus

    The Supreme Court Timber Creek decision has Minter Ellison trembling with antici… …pation:

    Native title ‘cultural loss’ compensation payouts likely to cost billions of dollars — so how does it work?

    When respected elder Dr Galarrwuy Yunupingu announced his intention to lodge a native title compensation claim against the Commonwealth over minerals on the Gove Peninsula, many people at the Garma Festival were shocked.

    …native title experts said the proposed claim was “not surprising” and was “just the tip of the iceberg” of compensation claims against state governments and the Commonwealth expected in the next 12 months.

    Law firm MinterEllison applied the Timber Creek award of $20,000 per hectare to just 1 per cent of Australia’s total determined native title area, leading to an overall compensation figure of $56 billion.

    The firm said if 5 per cent of land was deemed eligible, the figure would climb to $280 billion.

    Yummy fees. Paid for by:

    Now, it is predicted thousands of compensation claims around the country will cost governments (and potentially taxpayers in some instances) billions of dollars.

    So, “governments” – and only “potentially” taxpayers. Free money, then.

    Respected elder Dr Yunupinggu doing his bit for Reconciliation and Voice.

  94. Des Deskperson

    Here is a surprisingly objective opinion piece on the Folau case on, of all places , the ABC news website:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-07/israel-folau-should-be-able-to-go-back-to-work/11386826

    The guy is clearly ‘progressively’ oriented and I don’t agree with everything he says – McIntyre, the SBS journo who dissed Anzac Day was sacked not because of his views but because he breached SBS’s social media rules by failing to make it clear that his opinions were not those of his employer – but the final paragraphs are worth quoting:

    “Employment contracts and the dark arts of brand management are being selectively deployed to suppress participation in the democratic process. There should be no exception to the universality of human rights discourse for Folau.

    When employees are fired in such circumstances, they are unlikely to find comparable employment. Folau is a professional rugby player. Where can he work now?

    First, there’s the notoriety associated with the sacking, which will dog him for a long time. Second, if Rugby Australia’s position is upheld in court, he will surely be asked to sign a similar template employment contract that he can’t possibly comply with.

    While Folau’s views are objectionable and arguably even hate speech, perpetual unemployment is a grossly disproportionate punishment. If he is to be punished for expressing such views, it should be because he has contravened laws promulgated by a democratically elected government.

    And he should still be able to go to work.”

    I can’t see how any sane person of average intelligence – whatever their socio-political orientation – could disagree with the gist if this.

  95. Dr Faustus

    The finger wagging is strong in this one:

    Greta Thunberg: World leaders must prove they’ve listened to climate activists

    World leaders must prove that they have listened to young climate activists after a year of protests has not led to any progress in the reduction of greenhouse emissions, leading activist Greta Thunberg said on Monday.

    Well, that’s sorted…

  96. pete m

    Quick thoughts on court of appeal delay re P3ll.

    1. judges often pick 1 to write the judgment, when all 3 are of the same mind. once that is done and they agree on the draft, decision is issued.

    2. if 2 judges disagree and third is not sure, the 2 judges write their judgments, circulate them to each other, then once third decides which horse to back, the judgments are issued. There can be a lot of going ons here.

    3. sometimes all 3 can disagree on some points, so all will write separate judgments, and final orders then go for majority on each point.

    I feel we are in situation 1 here for the overall unfairness point, but situation 2 for the other appeal grounds, which don’t matter really once there is a majority. There could be a fight over whether to allow a re-trial.

    My best guess is there is an issue here where there is a dispute and lots of going to and back between the judges before finalising their views.

    otherwise it was to me a 3-0 let him out now type decision which I was surprised did not occur at the hearing, with reasons delivered later. Very disappointing.

  97. Old School Conservative

    Tom, thanks for your ‘toons again today.
    But seriously, you’ll have to lift your game if you want them to be funnier than we see every day in numbers’ self contradictory brain explosions.
    Even just now he did so much better than the cartoonists with his preening boast that his Year 5’s could count.
    Counting in 5th class! Well I never. Others would be multiplying and dividing. At least.

  98. struth

    Mater, he stated that no one has ever forced him to do anything.

    Just pointing out the idiocy of that statement.
    It doesn’t matter where he pointed the gun, he either went to Vietnam voluntary, or he’s a liar.
    If he went voluntarily, than he doesn’t get to whinge about being forced to go, 5o years later, because no one has forced him to do anything his entire life!
    His own words.
    The dumb wombat.

  99. C.L.

    Greta Thunberg is the left’s Bindi Irwin – except with multiple psychological afflictions.
    When she comes of age and is no longer useful, the left will abandon her. There will one of those ‘where is she now’ features once in a while but otherwise she’ll be composted.

  100. Dr Faustus

    Here is a surprisingly objective opinion piece on the Folau case on, of all places , the ABC news website:

    Indeed. And consistent with the ABC’s support for public servant Michaela Banerji and her online criticism of Australia’s asylum seeker policy.

    The High Court will this morning hand down its judgement in the case of a former Department of Immigration employee sacked for posting thousands of tweets under an anonymous handle which were highly critical of the Government’s asylum and immigration policies.

    The public sector union and legal experts say it’s one of the most important free speech cases to be decided in recent years, and goes to the heart of the increasingly blurry line between our private and professional lives.

    An example of “You can’t have it both ways” in practice.

  101. Roger

    The guy is clearly ‘progressively’ oriented…

    Yes; Josh Bornstein, progressive Labor lawyer specialising in industrial relations.

    Used to be a regular on The Dumb.

    I can’t see how any sane person of average intelligence – whatever their socio-political orientation – could disagree with the gist if this.

    I’m afraid many people are too stupid to realise that what has been done to Folau could be done to them.

    Meanwhile, conservative workers in the US are joining unions to protect their jobs from woke employers.

  102. C.L.

    Turns out that brown basketball player who was supposedly stopped from entering Crown Casino (while dressed like a pyjama-clad 13 year-old at a sleepover) is a producer of the latest Adam Goodes sookumentary.

  103. Diogenes

    An example of “You can’t have it both ways” in practice.

    Different case. She was directly criticising HER EMPLOYER. If she felt that strongly she should have resigned first . Izzy did not criticise his employer in any way

  104. egg_

    I’ve txtd Marcia and she will wash them, along with her skimpy underwear.

    Presumably, much of DrBG’s work is sh1t stirring, but I think it’s a window on the mindset of my old narc boss chatting up women 40 years younger (fantasy land/trying to recapture lost youth where he was a fugly ranga).

  105. stackja

    pete m
    #3125465, posted on August 7, 2019 at 9:13 am

    Vic ‘justice’ is very worried about the case.
    Who started it, who continued it, who didn’t stop it, why was it started, why was it continued, why wasn’t it stopped.
    Vic ‘justice’ doesn’t like the questions nor any answers.

  106. egg_

    Even despatches the seriously ill spouse to do the shopping in the heat while he sits in the MX5 with the air-con running

    Standard mu zzo practice.

  107. 1735099

    Even despatches the seriously ill spouse to do the shopping in the heat while he sits in the MX5 with the air-con running

    A significant component of the postings on this website are delusional fantasies triggered by bigotry.
    This phenomenon is further evidence that the extremist Right is collectively mentally ill.

  108. mh

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    2h
    Will be going to Dayton, Ohio and El Paso, Texas, tomorrow to meet with First Responders, Law Enforcement, and some of the victims of the terrible shootings.

    The People’s President 🇺🇸

  109. 1735099

    If he went voluntarily, than he doesn’t get to whinge about being forced to go, 5o years later, because no one has forced him to do anything his entire life!

    I did not volunteer.
    I had to deal with a range of shit options, and did that pretty well.
    I am, after all, still around.
    About 200 other Nashos aren’t.
    You can’t get past yes/no; left/right;up/down; black/white.
    You can probably conceptualize as far as “one” and “two”, but beyond that would be a bridge too far.

  110. egg_

    delusional fantasies triggered by bigotry.

    Check your local (Aldi) parking lot to see what demographic has males seated in their cars, air con running whilst wifey shops – it seems to be a universal mu zzo custom.

  111. 1735099

    The People’s President

    Trouble is, the people in question don’t want him in their city.

  112. egg_

    bigotry
    noun
    intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself.

    Yup, intolerance to women being treated as packhorses.
    Next.

  113. Geriatric Mayfly

    John Con. Where’s that polar Vortex you heralded? Such is the dreadful heat during this intermission, the ice cap here has shrunken to about a square metre and desperately needs a top up. And the rise in water levels in Lake Wendouree, is threatening some pricey real estate around its littoral.

  114. egg_

    Sometimes, it’s dad and the kids in the car whilst mum shops.
    /Packhorse

  115. egg_

    Leftoid Animal Farm – someone has to be Boxer, the packhorse.

  116. Des Deskperson

    ‘Different case. She was directly criticising HER EMPLOYER. If she felt that strongly she should have resigned first . Izzy did not criticise his employer in any way’

    I think the Banerjee case is a bit more complex than that. it’s not quite the same as criticising a private sector employer.

    Participation in the political process, including criticising government policy, is the right of every citizen including APS employees .Banerji was not criticising her employer who, technically speaking, is the head of her agency.

    The key issue that APS employees need to be wary of in participating on the political process is any perception that their private political views might affect their ability to perform their particular duties in an objective and non- political manner, as required by the Public Service Act.

    In practice, this has be considered in a case by case basis. IIRC, Banerji’s criticism was anonymous and was posted in her own time using her own resources, so the case against her would seem to be weak. Of course, if she were directly involved in developing and implementing the policies she was at there same time criticising, then here might be a stronger – but prima facie hardly a sackable – case., I’ve seen no evidence that her political views actually intruded into her work.

  117. John Constantine

    World leaders must ‘Gaze into the Fist of Greta’

  118. Knuckle Dragger

    GM,

    ‘a square metre’

    That would be 17 rods shy of a square chain.

    It’s not the Middle Ages you know.

  119. Mater

    Trouble is, the people in question don’t want him in their city.

    Yeah, I’m sure ALL of the people of El Paso don’t want him in their city. Your collectivist nature just can’t control itself, can it?

  120. Dr Faustus

    Different case. She was directly criticising HER EMPLOYER. If she felt that strongly she should have resigned first . Izzy did not criticise his employer in any way

    Obviously a different case – but the facts are directly relevant to Folau’s beef with RA.

    Banerji made her online comments in her own time – and anonymously, ie not representing the Public Service;

    Was sacked after an internal investigation found she had not “upheld public service values” and had not adhered to guidelines on the use of “social media and making public comments”.

    The High Court decision is on an appeal by the Commonwealth against the AAT decision that her sacking was not lawful, and that the Public Service Act is at odds with her implied right to freedom of political communication in the constitution.

    So, plenty of parallels that inform Izzy v Goth.

  121. Infidel Tiger

    Righteous take: neither Folau or Banerji should have been sacked for private views.

    Grow up Australia.

  122. vr

    If You Want ‘Renewable Energy,’ Get Ready to Dig

    “Renewable energy” is a misnomer. Wind and solar machines and batteries are built from nonrenewable materials. And they wear out. Old equipment must be decommissioned, generating millions of tons of waste. The International Renewable Energy Agency calculates that solar goals for 2050 consistent with the Paris Accords will result in old-panel disposal constituting more than double the tonnage of all today’s global plastic waste. Consider some other sobering numbers:

    A single electric-car battery weighs about 1,000 pounds. Fabricating one requires digging up, moving and processing more than 500,000 pounds of raw materials somewhere on the planet. The alternative? Use gasoline and extract one-tenth as much total tonnage to deliver the same number of vehicle-miles over the battery’s seven-year life.

    When electricity comes from wind or solar machines, every unit of energy produced, or mile traveled, requires far more materials and land than fossil fuels. That physical reality is literally visible: A wind or solar farm stretching to the horizon can be replaced by a handful of gas-fired turbines, each no bigger than a tractor-trailer.

    Building one wind turbine requires 900 tons of steel, 2,500 tons of concrete and 45 tons of nonrecyclable plastic. Solar power requires even more cement, steel and glass—not to mention other metals. Global silver and indium mining will jump 250% and 1,200% respectively over the next couple of decades to provide the materials necessary to build the number of solar panels, the International Energy Agency forecasts. World demand for rare-earth elements—which aren’t rare but are rarely mined in America—will rise 300% to 1,000% by 2050 to meet the Paris green goals. If electric vehicles replace conventional cars, demand for cobalt and lithium, will rise more than 20-fold. That doesn’t count batteries to back up wind and solar grids.

  123. Mother Lode

    Yes, his father was a wealthy lawyer while his wife’s family was of the minor nobility.

    Engels owned textile mills. The great champions of the working class are never working class. The only people who want to obliterate the current state of affairs are the peasantry (who have nothing to lose) and the wealthy edumacted (who are so accustomed to their privileged existence that they don’t see it and they therefore don’t foresee a life without it).

    It was no accident that communist revolutions broke out is backward countries like Russia, China, and North Vietnam.

    The working class want to keep what they have. You have to really fire them up with envy and promises than they cannot lose. We call the stinking intrusions into our world that make those promises ‘unions’ and socialist pedagogues. They fan the vice of greed and promise the people they will not lose.

    They do, of course.

    But that gives us Cuba, Venzuela, and Victoria.

  124. Mater

    The working class want to keep what they have. You have to really fire them up with envy and promises than they cannot lose. We call the stinking intrusions into our world that make those promises ‘unions’ and socialist pedagogues. They fan the vice of greed and promise the people they will not lose.

    They do, of course.

    I like this comment:

    People of privilege like to have their cake and eat it too. Only the bourgeoisie could feel so entitled that they would be the proponent and demographical enemy of something at the same time. Marxism has never existed in practice. In the end, it is peasants with rifles who determine what exactly Marxism is. What you get at best is Animal Farm, which is the reality of Marxism as opposed to some utopian fairy tale. It also causes brain drain. Why can’t people see that the “dissenters” are quite frequently your most talented, driven, and useful people? The only realistic equality Marxism could create is most everyone having not much of anything. This is why a peasant majority is so crucial to any Marxist movement, such as the Pol Pot model, which was basically force everyone to be peasants regardless of talent, intelligence, education, or motivation. It doesn’t work. It will never work. If you are an educated, successful American Marxist, remind yourself that a Marxist soldier would define you by what you have to “redistribute” as opposed to any bullshit coming out of your mouth. The working class interpretation of Marx is little more than a license to murder and steal from anybody who has substantially more than you. Read Animal Farm and get over this Marxist folly.

    – Ernesto Guevara

  125. Anthony

    When it comes to the George Pell issue – I don’t think legal argument has much to do with it. I think that he will be released after the main appeal basis is upheld. The judiciary, ever mindful of their public, will hold George in jail for a little while so that justice can appear to be done and not done.
    We must be forever mindful that this is all happening in Victoria where the law ain’t got much to do with morality.

  126. Cassie of Sydney

    “About 200 other Nashos aren’t.”

    The loser from Toowoomba can’t even get that right…over 500 Australians died in the Vietnam War.

  127. Mater

    The loser from Toowoomba can’t even get that right…over 500 Australians died in the Vietnam War.

    But they weren’t all Nashos, Cassie.
    Bob doesn’t get a lot wrong when it comes to the figures around this stuff. He has lived it continuously for 50 years.

  128. Shy Ted

    Even just now he did so much better than the cartoonists with his preening boast that his Year 5’s could count.
    1 projector, 2 projector, 3 projector,4, 5 projector, 6 projector, 7 projector more.

  129. JC

    Look at Snoop Dogg go.

    Snoop Dogg-Backed Klarna Now EU’s Most Valuable Fintech Startup

    (Bloomberg) — Swedish payments and banking firm Klarna became the most valuable European fintech startup after new funding pushed its post-money valuation to $5.5 billion.

    Klarna reached that status after raising $460 million in an equity round that will help it “continue its rapid rise in the U.S. market where it is currently growing an annual rate of six million new U.S. consumers,” the company said in a statement on Tuesday.

    With its new funding, the Stockholm-based startup leapfrogs European fintech darlings TransferWise and N26, which have recently been valued at $3.5 billion.

    Klarna helps online shoppers arrange financing at points of purchase, as well as provide merchants with payment tools. It challenges companies such as PayPal Holdings Inc., Square Inc. and Adyen NV, each of which has their own twist on facilitating commerce between sellers and shoppers.

    Dragoneer Investment Group led the raise, according to the statement. Other participants included the Commonwealth Bank of Australia, HMI Capital LLC, Merian Chrysalis Investment Co. and Sweden’s AP1 state pension fund, as well as accounts managed by BlackRock Inc. These additional investments follow the January announcement that the rapper known as Snoop Dogg had invested in the Swedish firm.

    Numis acted as exclusive financial adviser and placement agent to Klarna.

  130. Roger

    Righteous take: neither Folau or Banerji should have been sacked for private views.

    It’s more than that; mutatis mutandis, both cases concern the public expression via social media of private – or better yet, personal – views.

  131. feelthebern

    Bernie Sanders on Joe Rogan.

  132. stackja

    Anthony
    #3125506, posted on August 7, 2019 at 10:26 am
    Victoria where the law ain’t got much to do with morality.

    Roberta Williams arrested at Melbourne home over kidnap, extortion claims

    Gangland widow Roberta Williams has been sensationally arrested at a home in suburban Melbourne after a series of raids across the city. It comes after a cameraman on her upcoming reality TV show was charged with kidnapping and extortion.
    Brianna Travers, Herald Sun
    Subscriber only

    23 minutes ago

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  133. Dr Faustus

    In ALP Introspection news, Paul Keating gets it said; Shorten is a low energy fuck up:

    “If you’re talking about the Labor Party and why it lost the election, it failed to understand the middle-class economy that Bob Hawke and I created for Australia,” he said.

    In stark contrast to failed leader Bill Shorten’s class-warfare strategy targeted at the “big end of town”, Mr Keating said the top marginal tax rate should be cut further, to no more than 39 per cent.

    A turd on the shoes of history, he’s still in Parliament.
    Waiting for his second coming.

  134. Old School Conservative

    Cassie, the Australian War Memorial web site separates Australian Regular Army casualties from National Servicemen casualties.
    The latter saw 143 killed in action, 10 killed accidentally, 28 died of wounds, 3 died of injury/illness, and 1 missing presumed dead.
    A total of 185 Australian national servicemen were battle casualties in the Vietnam War 1962 – 1972. A further 15 deaths were non-battle casualties.

  135. Geriatric Mayfly

    That would be 17 rods

    When I went to school, one of the better sort, they were called roods. The morning recitation of tables, measurements, volumes, AND!!! PERSONAL PRONOUNS, still reverberates in my mind.

  136. mh

    DFAT have raised the level of the travel warning for Hong Kong.

  137. cohenite

    Cardimona

    #3125453, posted on August 7, 2019 at 8:54 am

    Good letters. escalate, complain above the bitch’s head.

  138. Roger

    “If you’re talking about the Labor Party and why it lost the election, it failed to understand the middle-class economy that Bob Hawke and I created for Australia,” [Keating] said.

    The same Bob Hawke and Paul Keating who endorsed Shorten and Bowen before the election.

    Hindsight is indeed a wonderful thing, eh Paul?

  139. Old School Conservative

    When I went to school, one of the better sort, they were called roods

    Ditto.
    The best exercise books had all the measurements on the back cover.
    Very handy.

  140. Geriatric Mayfly

    The great champions of the working class are never working class.

    Something similar with the French Revolution. The peasantry was illiterate and mass communication did not exist. I think it was Schama who revealed that the so called “uprising” would never have occurred without the assistance of educated elements within the nobility.

  141. Roger

    The morning recitation of tables, measurements, volumes, AND!!! PERSONAL PRONOUNS, still reverberates in my mind.

    Ballast for the journey of life.

  142. Infidel Tiger

    DFAT have raised the level of the travel warning for Hong Kong.

    The Chicoms are rooted.

    They can’t backdown and they can’t win. If they take out HK the whole house of cards collapses, but they can’t lose face either.

  143. cohenite

    Dr Faustus

    #3125460, posted on August 7, 2019 at 9:04 am

    The Supreme Court Timber Creek decision has Minter Ellison trembling with antici… …pation:

    Native title ‘cultural loss’ compensation payouts likely to cost billions of dollars — so how does it work?

    The money can come out of the abc’s budget.

    The government, read the electors, only have themselves to blame; Mabo, the worst decision ever by the HC, should be legislated away. It is disgusting that bludgers like respected elder Dr Galarrwuy Yunupingu can wreak havoc like this. And dr of what and respected by who, ffs.

  144. Infidel Tiger

    The French Revokution was a disaster on every level. One we are still paying for.

  145. Mother Lode

    The Greens MP for Newtown, who had an abortion when she was 20,

    Given her bog-standard Greens misanthropy you must suspect professional negligence where the doctors injected with saline, hacked the brains, dismembered the body, and sucked through a vacuum, the wrong one of the two people in the table.

  146. Leigh Lowe

    Infidel Tiger

    #3125497, posted on August 7, 2019 at 10:14 am

    Righteous take: neither Folau or Banerji should have been sacked for private views.

    Grow up Australia.

    With probably one proviso.
    If Banerjee identified herself as an employee of Immigration (I don’t think she did) or used privileged information in the private posts.

  147. C.L.

    Banerji loses.

    Ms Banerji left the High Court in tears.

    I agree with this decision:

    She took her case to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal, which found her sacking had impeded her implied right to freedom of political communication.

    But today the High Court unanimously ruled that was not the case, and that the APS code was proportionate to its purpose of maintaining an apolitical public service.

  148. Leigh Lowe

    They can’t backdown and they can’t win. If they take out HK the whole house of cards collapses, but they can’t lose face either.

    For a nation who allegedly thinks and plans in decades , or even centuries, their May 2019 three-month look ahead was shit.

  149. Cassie of Sydney

    “Mother Lode
    #3125535, posted on August 7, 2019 at 11:05 am
    The Greens MP for Newtown, who had an abortion when she was 20,

    Given her bog-standard Greens misanthropy you must suspect professional negligence where the doctors injected with saline, hacked the brains, dismembered the body, and sucked through a vacuum, the wrong one of the two people in the table.”

    Well said.

  150. Top Ender

    The only realistic equality Marxism could create is most everyone having not much of anything.

    I have not studied Guevara, Mater.

    What was his preferred version of society then, if he didn’t want that?

  151. DrBeauGan

    I have seen some posh modern buildings all of which are associated with the state, and a lot of relatively old buildings, pre 1920, many in decay. I haven’t seen anything I’d walk a hundred metres to look at. I have given the museum de la revolucion a miss. I guess it depends on your interests, but there’s not a lot to look at in Havana. What there is to see, are ruins.

    Lizzie, you are a sentimental person. Maria isn’t. Neither am I. Our relationship has consisted of a visit to the beach with her nephew, and a number of restaurants. And I admit to having patted her bottom a few times, mainly because it would have seemed rude not to. I don’t think I have led her on to expect a romance, rather the contrary. I would go to a lot of trouble to avoid one.

    I live alone and like it that way. The thought of living with another human being makes my blood run cold. You folk who need someone else in your lives to feel real aren’t a bit like me.

    The prospect of owning a property in Cuba has its attractions but appears impractical. The Cuban government insists that only a Cuban can own property in Cuba, and not all of them. This is economic idiocy, the government ought to be making it as easy as possible for Cubans to take money off foreigners. But they seem to be as dumb as our political class.

    This is the first time I’ve seen the government in action here, and it’s every bit as depressing as Tom and others predicted.

    I have told Maria that marrying her would be a disaster, and I’ve already had my fill of marrying younger women. The same goes for any alternative females she might produce. I like my solitude, it gives me time to think. Thinking is the only thing I’m good at.

    So I’m not liable to a breach of promise case.

    Discussion with Osbel was the source of much of my information. He tells me that the apartment I am staying in is worth 50,000 cuc. I could afford to buy one without strain, but the rules prohibit it. It has, Osbel tells me, to be in the name of a Cuban. That isn’t on. If I put it in Maria’s name, how do I know she won’t simply take it over and refuse to let me in? I don’t think she’d do that, but I don’t know she wouldn’t. The same goes for Osbel. It would be madness to take the chance.

    So I won’t.

  152. johanna

    Nob
    #3125045, posted on August 6, 2019 at 6:36 pm

    JC
    #3125042, posted on August 6, 2019 at 6:30 pm
    Does anyone believe the Australian and the US middle class for that matter, is worse off than it was 40 years ago? Yes or no?

    The main thing I see is that my kids are finding it harder to get started on “the housing ladder”.
    But they’re living the high life in most other ways, compared to me at that age.

    I think that Nob sums up the cause of the irritation many of us feel when we listen to the bleating about how hard it is to buy a home. As a university student, I never had the money to buy clothes (except from an op-shop) and holidays other than those that involved staying at someone else’s place were out of the question. Eating out was Oliver Twist stew at the Union Refectory, $1.50 for all you could eat. I’m not complaining, I had a great time, but money was non-existent till I got a part-time job coaching a high school girl, which I promptly spent in the Union Bar or on a bag of very inferior weed.

    When I was saving for my house deposit, and paying a commercial rent of about a quarter of my take home pay, I lived like that long-ago student, for about five years. No holidays I had to pay for, no clothes except replacing underwear and pantyhose, no toys purchased except the odd book or CD, the occasional el cheapo restaurant meal as a treat. Credit card covered with cobwebs. And, the house I bought was an elderly slum compared to the expectations of today’s young-uns, in a then unfashionable suburb.

    I do not mind that young people have high expectations – it’s what drives civilisation forward. But, I do object to the myth that it used to be easy for the average punter to buy a great house in a desirable suburb without undue sacrifice. That was never the case.

  153. John Constantine

    One, Two, Many.

    Is this really counting?.

    Their left want to churn out proles that look at the number provided by our elites and are too cowed to challenge the mathematics behind it.

    Factual is not always Helpful when you have a Revolution to progress.

    Comrades.

  154. Dr Faustus

    They can’t backdown and they can’t win. If they take out HK the whole house of cards collapses, but they can’t lose face either.

    Hong Kong protesters warned ‘don’t mistake restraint for weakness’ by China

    China’s State Council Hong Kong and Macau Affairs Office:

    A small group of violent radicals were at the forefront of the protests, with “some kind-hearted citizens who have been misguided and coerced to join” in the middle, they said, adding that anti-China forces were the “behind-the-scenes masterminds” who had “openly and brazenly emboldened” the protesters.

    It must be agony. Being an authoritarian dictator at heart, but unable to get out the Iron Broom and forced to speak Cold-War-parody plop plop.

  155. Top Ender

    Aha!

    It was Ms Banerji’s claim for compensation — for the post-traumatic stress disorder she developed after she was fired — that ultimately led to the High Court challenge.

  156. C.L.

    Daily Mail reporting that Ilhan Omar is having an affair with white DNC strategist. He has reportedly dumped his wife (who is 17 years his senior). She doesn’t look like a lady you want to anger.

  157. John Constantine

    https://www.opthea.com/wet-amd-clinical-trial/

    This is a big thing.

    OPT opthea doubles on the asx this morning on good news on its macular degeneration treatment.

  158. Mater

    I have not studied Guevara, Mater.

    Sorry, TE,
    That is an Alias of a commenter on YouTube. I just liked his explanation.

  159. DrBeauGan

    What interests me most about Cuba is the Cubans and the assumptions they make about each other and the world. My main impression is of mental sloppiness. They will helpfully direct you to a place that sells umbrellas when it doesn’t. They will point enthusiastically in the wrong direction. They want to seem helpful without actually helping. Not all, some are curt and deny all knowledge, others will cheerfully pretend to know when they don’t. They exaggerate wildly and don’t keep appointments. Nice people but I wouldn’t trust them to run the proverbial chook raffle. The chook would turn out to be a broken egg.

  160. Leigh Lowe

    Top Ender

    #3125546, posted on August 7, 2019 at 11:15 am

    Aha!

    It was Ms Banerji’s claim for compensation — for the post-traumatic stress disorder she developed after she was fired

    So, effectively it was a workers comp case, not a wrongful dismissal case.
    Yeah, I get that there is a secondary link. She claims that the PTSD was triggered by the sacking.
    If she could show that the sacking was unlawful then the resultant PTSD could be subject to compo.
    It looks like the High Court has decided that either the sacking was legal, so the link was broken, or that the PTSD was not caused by the sacking, or that the PTSD was bullshit.
    Not sure what the reasoning is.

  161. Infidel Tiger

    I think that Nob sums up the cause of the irritation many of us feel when we listen to the bleating about how hard it is to buy a home. As a university student, I never had the money to buy clothes (except from an op-shop) and holidays other than those that involved staying at someone else’s place were out of the question. Eating out was Oliver Twist stew at the Union Refectory, $1.50 for all you could eat. I’m not complaining, I had a great time, but money was non-existent till I got a part-time job coaching a high school girl, which I promptly spent in the Union Bar or on a bag of very inferior weed.

    When I was saving for my house deposit, and paying a commercial rent of about a quarter of my take home pay, I lived like that long-ago student, for about five years. No holidays I had to pay for, no clothes except replacing underwear and pantyhose, no toys purchased except the odd book or CD, the occasional el cheapo restaurant meal as a treat. Credit card covered with cobwebs. And, the house I bought was an elderly slum compared to the expectations of today’s young-uns, in a then unfashionable suburb.

    I do not mind that young people have high expectations – it’s what drives civilisation forward. But, I do object to the myth that it used to be easy for the average punter to buy a great house in a desirable suburb without undue sacrifice. That was never the case.

    Once again we see the feckless Boomer class mistaking technological advancement and the material for what is actually desirable and fulfilling for the human soul.

    Truly awful people.

    Nothing sums up these people better than this:


    Carlo Lancellotti
    @_CLancellotti
    Follow Follow @_CLancellotti

    The one narrative that our current ruling classes find absolutely repulsive and unacceptable is that there is any sort of broad social and cultural decline.

    That would directly contradict their deepest philosophical convictions.

  162. Mother Lode

    Righteous take: neither Folau or Banerji should have been sacked for private views.

    Agree.

    Unless she was giving away confidential in-house information, or information which would impede the operations of the department, and since she was doing it anonymously (just one of countless baying hounds not using the credibility of her employment), or telling people that she was an employee (trust me…I know), then how does it actually matter what she said.

  163. Geriatric Mayfly

    Daily Mail reporting that Ilhan Omar is having an affair with white DNC strategist.

    Veil on. Or veil off.

  164. Top Ender

    Yay – modern Oz:

    Some mornings Peter Brown is so desperate to find workers for his NSW regional abattoir that he’ll drive around town at 6am looking for casual employees.

    Mr Brown, the general manager of Cowra Meat Processors, said he advertised for local workers but most didn’t want to do more than two days a week so as to maintain their dole benefits. The company he runs is the biggest employer in Cowra, in the state’s central west, with 180 to 200 workers, but he is constantly under pressure for staff and sometimes works on the floor himself to make up numbers.

    There’s a methamphetamine problem in Cowra — and many young people are too ice-crazed.

    and later:

    For Mr Brown, the answer lies thousands of kilometres away in the South Pacific.

    He recently brought in his first seven workers from Samoa under the federal government’s Pacific Labour Scheme, in which they can work for three years and are then expected to return with a view to taking their skills with them.

    Mr Brown said his seven Samoan men, who earn the same award wages as his Australian employees, were excellent, reliable workers, clean living, God-fearing, and all play rugby union for a local side.

    Link

  165. Roger

    Mr Brown said his seven Samoan men, who earn the same award wages as his Australian employees, were excellent, reliable workers, clean living, God-fearing, and all play rugby union for a local side.

    Culture is down stream from religion.

  166. Leigh Lowe

    When talking about building block acreage last night, I got to thinking.
    The knock-on is in schools where hundreds of kids are shoe-horned onto a tiny site covered in faux-grass carpet.
    They are now talking about high-rise schools, FFS!
    Last week I went to the funeral of an old school-friend up country.
    Walked past a local Catholic primary school and was kind of shocked at the yuuuge size of the grounds compared to the school buildings, after what I have got used to in the city.
    One full sized footy oval, two small ovals and then some.
    The sort of grounds only 3 or 4 high end prahvate schools have in the city.

  167. Fisky

    AOC’s Democratic Socialists of America Endorses Open Borders

    The annual meeting of the Democratic Socialists of America group has endorsed open borders.

    The vote by the DSA — whose members include Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Rep. Rashida Tlaib — spotlights the left’s emotional shift from economic solidarity with blue-collar Americans towards a political alliance with migrant foreign graduates and laborers.

    “This Resolution means that our national organization will set up infrastructure and resources for our local chapters to organize around open borders in their communities if they so choose,” DSA press secretary Lawrence Dreyfuss told Breitbart News. “This has been adopted as the overarching strategy of the DSA. It is up to our newly elected political leadership to address specific nuances as they arise.”

    Open borders is always and everywhere a socialist policy.

  168. johanna

    calli
    #3125065, posted on August 6, 2019 at 6:54 pm

    I don’t actually care if junkies suffer chronic constipation and early death because of addiction to prescription drugs. But I deeply resent being tarred with the same brush because the gummint can’t tell the difference.

    Same as the appalling frisking I was dished out at JFK airport last week. And I mean a going over – it was only just short of a strip search. At sixty three, I was considered a terrorism risk, or something.

    The Beloved complained. Meh.

    Calli, I have written here before about repeatedly being singled out at airports for the explosives residue test, despite my demographic having a record of exactly zero for those crimes. Meanwhile, groups of young men of middle eastern appearance are waved through.

    It’s simple. We help them to fulfil their quota, and won’t make a scene or accuse them of ‘racial profiling.’ Whoever first said that airport security is just political theatre deserves a Pulitzer Prize.

  169. Leigh Lowe

    Anyone like to hazard a guess as to how many cats Ms Banerjee owns?
    I am taking five (5).

  170. Bruce of Newcastle

    If You Want ‘Renewable Energy,’ Get Ready to Dig

    A single electric-car battery weighs about 1,000 pounds. Fabricating one requires digging up, moving and processing more than 500,000 pounds of raw materials somewhere on the planet. The alternative? Use gasoline and extract one-tenth as much total tonnage to deliver the same number of vehicle-miles over the battery’s seven-year life.

    And if you are a Green you can have your electric car and inefficiently burn lots of diesel too!

    The diesel generator behind the electric car charging point (Jonova 7 Aug)

    The photo says everything that could possibly be said.

  171. Leigh Lowe

    C.L.

    #3125550, posted on August 7, 2019 at 11:23 am

    Daily Mail reporting that Ilhan Omar is having an affair with white DNC strategist. He has reportedly dumped his wife (who is 17 years his senior). She doesn’t look like a lady you want to anger.

    What will upset her constituents most about her new paramour?
    The “married” or the “white”?

  172. C.L.

    AOC is also sleeping with a white man.
    The Squad likes fraternising with the enemy.

  173. stackja

    LL – IO voters seem as silly as IO.

  174. Old School Conservative:

    The best exercise books had all the measurements on the back cover.
    Very handy.

    Luxury.
    We were so poor we had to write on used mintie wrappers. With nails dipped in blood.

  175. Infidel Tiger

    AOC is having sex with a white man and her supporters will find that more disgusting than her marrying er brother.

  176. Geriatric Mayfly

    There’s a methamphetamine problem in Cowra — and many young people are too ice-crazed.

    Reminds me of a farmer in NZ who once ran a chicken processing factory in South Africa. Moving machinery etc etc. Every morning he would stand at the door and turn those of the swivelling eyeballs away. He had a list of about 30 emergency back-ups, but some of them too, were not of this world. Make work readily available, and then stand back and wait for irresponsibility to come cap in hand.

  177. C.L.

    Same as the appalling frisking I was dished out at JFK airport last week. And I mean a going over – it was only just short of a strip search. At sixty three, I was considered a terrorism risk, or something.

    I remember writing years ago that Americans’ acceptance of what the TSA does to them – bearing in mind that the corporate, gubernatorial and senatorial classes are exempt – constituted the end of America as the thrilling, balls-out bastion of freedom. From telling the British to fuck off or die, they are now a people that allows their children and grandmothers to be raped at airports.

  178. 1735099

    From this –

    The loser from Toowoomba can’t even get that right…over 500 Australians died in the Vietnam War.

    To this –

    Cassie, the Australian War Memorial web site separates Australian Regular Army casualties from National Servicemen casualties.
    The latter saw 143 killed in action, 10 killed accidentally, 28 died of wounds, 3 died of injury/illness, and 1 missing presumed dead.
    A total of 185 Australian national servicemen were battle casualties in the Vietnam War 1962 – 1972. A further 15 deaths were non-battle casualties.

    It’s gratifying to note that the abusive harridan from Sydney (wherever that is) may have learned something today.
    Perhaps this scrofulous blog has a useful purpose, after all.

  179. C.L.

    Same as the appalling frisking I was dished out at JFK airport last week. And I mean a going over – it was only just short of a strip search. At sixty three, I was considered a terrorism risk, or something.

    I remember writing years ago that Americans’ acceptance of what the TSA does to them – bearing in mind that the corporate, gubernatorial and senatorial classes are exempt – constituted the end of America as the thrilling, no-compromise bastion of freedom. From telling the Brits to fuck off or die, they’re now a people that allows their children and grandmothers to be raped by the state at airports.

  180. Infidel Tiger

    Open borders is always and everywhere a socialist policy.

    And beloved by their libertarian brothers.

  181. johanna

    The knock-on is in schools where hundreds of kids are shoe-horned onto a tiny site covered in faux-grass carpet.
    They are now talking about high-rise schools, FFS!
    Last week I went to the funeral of an old school-friend up country.
    Walked past a local Catholic primary school and was kind of shocked at the yuuuge size of the grounds compared to the school buildings, after what I have got used to in the city.
    One full sized footy oval, two small ovals and then some.
    The sort of grounds only 3 or 4 high end prahvate schools have in the city.

    My old suburban high school in the Sutherland Shire had all that. What’s more, there was a pub (the Taren Point Hotel) over the fence at the far end of the ovals.

    Someone posted a picture of an abandoned high school in Detroit recently – a glorious theatre space with gilt ornamentation worthy of Covent Garden. Abandoned, empty, about to be covered with grafitti and ruined by neglect.

    Hey, but we have hip-hop!

  182. C.L.

    AOC is having sex with a white man and her supporters will find that more disgusting than her marrying er brother.

    Wrong brown lady, IT. Omar was (is?) married to her brother.

  183. Bruce of Newcastle

    What will upset her constituents most about her new paramour?
    The “married” or the “white”?

    The divorce bit.

    Omar’s Mystery Man Identified

    Sources told me some six weeks ago that Ilhan Omar had essentially abandoned her family in Minneapolis and wanted her current legal husband — husband number 1, Ahmed Hirsi, the father of her children — to seek a divorce from her. I understood that Omar doesn’t want to be seen by the local Somali community as seeking a divorce, either under Islamic custom or American law.

    We know that social media evidence suggests Elmi is Omar’s brother, although we don’t know that yet for a fact. We do know that Omar and Hirsi filed joint tax returns in 2014 and 2015 even though Omar and Hirsi weren’t legally married and Elmi was still legally married to Omar. (Omar won’t talk about that either.) Omar didn’t get around to divorcing Elmi until 2017 or marrying Hirsi under Minnesota law until last year, when Omar was obviously tying up the loose ends of her personal life for political purposes.

    Then there’s the quarter million she paid the boyfriend out of her campaign funds.

    Omar’s camp has paid Mynett’s company – E Street Group – more than $250K in consulting fees and travel expenses, dating from last August until June 11, according to Federal Election Commission records.

    They sound like a cozy couple. The MSM are frantically doing Sgt Schulz impersonations.

  184. Bruce of Newcastle

    What will upset her constituents most about her new paramour?
    The “married” or the “white”?

    The divorce bit.

    Omar’s Mystery Man Identified

    Sources told me some six weeks ago that Ilhan Omar had essentially abandoned her family in Minneapolis and wanted her current legal husband — husband number 1, Ahmed Hirsi, the father of her children — to seek a divorce from her. I understood that Omar doesn’t want to be seen by the local Somali community as seeking a divorce, either under Is lamic custom or American law.

    We know that social media evidence suggests Elmi is Omar’s brother, although we don’t know that yet for a fact. We do know that Omar and Hirsi filed joint tax returns in 2014 and 2015 even though Omar and Hirsi weren’t legally married and Elmi was still legally married to Omar. (Omar won’t talk about that either.) Omar didn’t get around to divorcing Elmi until 2017 or marrying Hirsi under Minnesota law until last year, when Omar was obviously tying up the loose ends of her personal life for political purposes.

    Then there’s the quarter million she paid the boyfriend out of her campaign funds.

    Omar’s camp has paid Mynett’s company – E Street Group – more than $250K in consulting fees and travel expenses, dating from last August until June 11, according to Federal Election Commission records.

    They sound like a cozy couple. The MSM are frantically doing Sgt Schulz impersonations.

  185. Geriatric Mayfly

    Took a while but I found it. The banned word has a (j)ocular ring to it.
    There’s a methamphetamine problem in Cowra — and many young people are too ice-crazed.

    Reminds me of a farmer in NZ who once ran a chicken processing factory in South Africa. Moving machinery etc etc. Every morning he would stand at the door and turn those of the swivelling eye-b-a-l-l-s away. He had a list of about 30 emergency back-ups, but some of them too, were not of this world. Make work readily available, and then stand back and wait for irresponsibility to come cap in hand.

  186. Steve trickler

    feelthebern
    #3125516, posted on August 7, 2019 at 10:42 am
    Bernie Sanders on Joe Rogan.

    Once again, Joe Rogan is useless. It is like the Jack Dorsey interview.

  187. Roger

    Omar was (is?) married to her brother.

    They divorced in 2017, after which she reconciled with her first husband, whom she has now left.

    Her personal life seems to be as much of a train wreck as her political career.

    She was recently fined for campaign finance violations which prompted even her local progressive rag, the Minneapolis Star Tribune, to turn on her, discovering that she filed joint tax returns with the husband she’s just left, despite being legally married to the man alleged to be her brother.

  188. Cassie of Sydney

    “It’s gratifying to note that the abusive harridan from Sydney (wherever that is) may have learned something today.
    Perhaps this scrofulous blog has a useful purpose, after all.”

    Oooh….SScumberss is a sensitive turd…isn’t he?

  189. Old School Conservative

    It’s gratifying to note that the abusive harridan from Sydney (wherever that is) may have learned something today.

    Fuck off little man.
    The adults are talking about you, not to you.

  190. Des Deskperson

    ‘Unless she was giving away confidential in-house information, or information which would impede the operations of the department, and since she was doing it anonymously (just one of countless baying hounds not using the credibility of her employment), or telling people that she was an employee (trust me…I know), then how does it actually matter what she said.’

    It’s a complex issue and it all depends on the particular case.

    Section 10(5) of the Public Service Act requires the APS to be ‘apolitical and provide the Government with advice that is frank, honest, timely and based on the best available evidence.’

    This has to be balanced with the employee’s political rights as a citizen

    Whatever her political rights, Banerji appears to have been an obsessive – ‘the court heard Ms Banerji tweeted approximately 9,000 times in 2012’ – and even reckless commentator – a critcwhose identity sooner or later would almost certainly have come out. To what extent should an agency have to put up with this from an employee? It’s an extremely sensitive and critical issue, and I pity her poor supervisor who would have felt herself under enormous pressure to take some action.

    I suggest that it wuold have been reasonable – once Ms Banerji had been outed – to ask her to tone it down and/or suggest she is given help to seek a job in another agency. If, after repeated requests and orders she refused, then there could be a case for disciplinary action resulting, at most, in a compulsory transfer to an area or agency where her obsessions would not affect perceptions of her ability to comply with 10(5).

    I wouldn’t have sacked her.

  191. egg_

    As union membership declines, so does the size of that middle class.

    A troll opining on “class”.
    Beyond parody.

  192. Mother Lode

    Sorry, TE,
    That is an Alias of a commenter on YouTube. I just liked his explanation.

    Whew!

    I had trouble crediting that too.

  193. struth

    You can’t get past yes/no; left/right;up/down; black/white.

    Lefties dance around it all the time, it seems, dribbling whatever shit suits at that second.

    In my 72 years, no-one has succeeded in “making” me do anything I didn’t want to do.

    FMD.
    Your own words
    Embarrassing…………really, ………..

  194. IT:

    The Chicoms are rooted.
    They can’t backdown and they can’t win. If they take out HK the whole house of cards collapses, but they can’t lose face either.

    They can win if they somehow manage to get the US to back publicly Hong Kong. The US cannot project military power effectively enough to cover HK. The Chinese can eliminate any Carrier Battle Groups that get close enough to HK to be effective.
    Also do not depend on China to not use nukes. One nuclear tipped torpedo into a CBG and the US loses several carriers. And the Chinese can blame the US for mishandling one of their own nukes.

  195. Dr Fred Lenin

    Melbourne public transport has videos on you tube explaining the purpose of the tunnels being dug at present around the CBD . It is very informative and explains clearly what the plan is ,sounds excellent and will increase public transport use by citizens . Well worth a look to understand the aims ,to clear the bottlenecks at North Melbourne ,Richmond .

  196. Fisky

    They can win if they somehow manage to get the US to back publicly Hong Kong.

    The flipside is if they pull a Tianmennan in HK, they can kiss Taiwan goodbye forever.

  197. struth

    The thing that upset him the most about going to Vietnam was that he was made to do something.

    Then in response.

    In my 72 years, no-one has succeeded in “making” me do anything I didn’t want to do.

    So you volunteered to go to Vietnam?

    Better than two years in the clink and deregistration as a teacher.

    So you were made to go?

    bubububububububut

    You can’t get past yes/no; left/right;up/down; black/white

    Oh dear Sniffy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Sometimes it’s funny, but this is just pathetic.

  198. Mother Lode

    Perhaps redundant, but I should perhaps edit and reformat my comment to clarify meaning regarding newly ‘prospects diminished’ Banerjee woman.

    Unless she was:

    > Giving away confidential in-house information, or
    > Information which would impede the operations of the department, or
    > Telling people that she was an employee (“trust me…I know!”)

    Then how does it actually matter what she said anonymously (just one of countless baying hounds not using the credibility of her employment).

    As has been later pointed out, this was a compo claim so in rejecting her claim they may have not have accepted the PTSD component, not the unlawful termination.

  199. Hong Kong protesters warned ‘don’t mistake restraint for weakness’ by China

    The fine print is saying:

    We are about clog up the tracks of our tanks with wet squishy stuff.
    Cease, desist or get out while you can.

  200. Some History

    AOC is also sleeping with a white man.

    Was thinking of someone in the lineage of Jethro Bodine:

    https://imgur.com/4gTiV1h

  201. johanna

    Is AOC really putting her slippers under the bed of that ugly beta ranga?

    In her exalted position, she could have her pick of good-looking blokes, and some of them even have brains.

    More evidence that she is off her rocker. I note that her Svengali left her employ this week, so be prepared for dopey craziness to the max.

  202. Mother Lode

    Open borders is always and everywhere a socialist policy.

    The trick is to make it not worth crossing the border – ‘over there’ is indistinguishable from ‘right here’, but at least here I have a ceiling, a blanket, and I have as much that I can inform against my neighbour about as he has about me.

  203. Some History

    Late addition to yesterday’s “chemistry” comments. Remember this critical contribution to chemistry (special mention for lab/kitchen assistant).

    https://imgur.com/P5McQMW

  204. egg_

    we know that Roberts is a tech guy who works in web development

    A narc, ranga tech geek has conned AOC?
    Colour me pink.

  205. egg_

    AOC may like playing the uber pink oboe?

  206. johanna

    Whatever her political rights, Banerji appears to have been an obsessive – ‘the court heard Ms Banerji tweeted approximately 9,000 times in 2012’ – and even reckless commentator – a critcwhose identity sooner or later would almost certainly have come out. To what extent should an agency have to put up with this from an employee? It’s an extremely sensitive and critical issue, and I pity her poor supervisor who would have felt herself under enormous pressure to take some action.

    I suggest that it wuold have been reasonable – once Ms Banerji had been outed – to ask her to tone it down and/or suggest she is given help to seek a job in another agency. If, after repeated requests and orders she refused, then there could be a case for disciplinary action resulting, at most, in a compulsory transfer to an area or agency where her obsessions would not affect perceptions of her ability to comply with 10(5).

    I wouldn’t have sacked her.

    Having tried to manage someone like her in the APS, I disagree, Des.

    People like her just move on to the next obsession, they are unproductive and disrupt people around them.

    They embroil the Department in years (I kid you not) of hearings over an ever expanding claim of victimisation and discrimination. They are never satisfied. They are narcissitic nutters.

    In private enterprise, they would be sacked, and would undoubtedly lodge claims left, right and centre. But it would not take seven years, as the last one of those I dealt with took. In the end, after millions of wasted taxpayer dollars, and untold stress on her supervisors and co-workers, she got nothing, but kept her job. She is now unsackable – playing the victim has its rewards.

  207. egg_

    Hong Kong protesters warned ‘don’t mistake restraint for weakness’ by China

    The fine print is saying:

    We are about clog up the tracks of our tanks with wet squishy stuff.
    Cease, desist or get out while you can.

    Charles Manson’s comments re the N A Z I s and the J e w s.

    50th Anniversary of Helter Skelter on the 9/8/2019.

    Excellent analysis.

  208. struth

    Open borders is always and everywhere a socialist policy.

    It’s an act of war against the west.
    Only western borders bad, and only western coal causes climate change.

    It’s an act of war, an invasion, the destruction of western sovereignty, by Soros, Gutteres and the rest enabled by their troops already in the country.

    These are known as traitors.
    Criminals of the worst kind.

  209. Tel

    The fine print is saying:

    We are about clog up the tracks of our tanks with wet squishy stuff.
    Cease, desist or get out while you can.

    Read the other fine print … Trump has put up with two years of internal wrangling against a bunch of hard-leftist “deep state” goons sabotaging his Presidency, and for whatever reason Trump has felt the need to surround himself with his own neocon warhawk gang, who want to whack sanctions left, right and center. They would love to start something in Iran. Does this matter to China? Yeah, the same goons would be ever so happy taking China down a peg … if they dare … and keep in mind, these guys are genuinely crazy, they don’t just play a psycho on TV.

    If Hong Kong goes up in flames, would make an excellent excuse for the need to load Taiwan up with US missiles … wouldn’t it just? Hey, war powers right before a major election … what could possibly go wrong?!?

  210. Fisky:

    The flipside is if they pull a Tianmennan in HK, they can kiss Taiwan goodbye forever.

    Yes.
    China is doubling down in a very high risk scenario.
    They have been busy painting themselves into this corner for two decades. Had they chosen the gradualist path of absorbing HK, it would have been risk free, but Emperor for Life has been impatient.
    Tsk tsk.

  211. struth

    Trump has felt the need to surround himself with his own neocon warhawk gang,

    Please , a bit of detail ………………………………………..

  212. feelthebern

    Canadian trans activist has been arrested.

  213. Fisky

    Big dilemma for Xi: go soft on HK => encourage protests in Xinjiang, Tibet. Go hard = lose Taiwan

    That’s the problem with socialists, they never admit to any tradeoffs until it’s too late and everything collapses.

  214. Infidel Tiger

    They can win if they somehow manage to get the US to back publicly Hong Kong. The US cannot project military power effectively enough to cover HK. The Chinese can eliminate any Carrier Battle Groups that get close enough to HK to be effective.
    Also do not depend on China to not use nukes. One nuclear tipped torpedo into a CBG and the US loses several carriers. And the Chinese can blame the US for mishandling one of their own nukes.

    Nuking HK to own the US.

    Yes these are just the people we should be trading with and letting steal all our IP and industry. A free marketeers wet dream!

  215. Des Deskperson

    ‘People like her just move on to the next obsession, they are unproductive and disrupt people around them.’

    Fair point, Johanna. I was perhaps thinking in the abstract rather than dealing with the sort of person that Ms Banerji now seems to be emerging as. I feel very sorry for her supervisor.

    BTW Nadine Flood’s comment and the judgement:

    “The notion that the mum of a gay son who happens to work in Centrelink can’t like a Facebook post on marriage equality without endangering her job is patently absurd.”

    Is itself absurd. Nadine is a useless as CPSU National Secretary as her dad Phillip was Secretary of DFAT.

  216. Cardimona

    From TheirABC…

    Wind farms are being taken to court over SA’s blackout — how did we get here?

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-07/sa-blackout-explained-as-regulator-launches-legal-action/11390760

    The Australian Energy Regulator (AER) is taking legal action against four energy companies — including AGL — over the incident.

    The dispute is a technical one and will assess whether enough was done at the companies’ wind farms to prepare for such an extreme event.

    And the outcome of the case has the potential to reignite debate over the reliability of renewables.

    As the number of faults on the transmission network grew, nine wind farms in the Mid North of SA exhibited a sustained reduction in power as a protection feature activated.

    For most, the protection settings allowed the wind turbines to withstand a pre-set number of voltage dips within a two-minute period.

    When the protection feature kicked in, the output of those wind farms fell by 456 megawatts over a period of less than seven seconds.

    Pro-renewables pundits blamed the storm, but critics pointed the finger at wind farms and questioned their ability to provide baseload power.

    “This has got nothing to do with whether renewables are good or bad — it’s all to do with the technical settings on those actual wind farms,” Mr Wood said.

    The blackout also became a running joke, prompting quips about South Australia’s inability to keep the lights on.

    The AER’s legal proceedings against subsidiaries of AGL, Neoen, Pacific Hydro and Tilt Renewables were to “send a strong signal to all energy businesses about the importance of compliance with performance standards to promote system security and reliability”.

    It has said it was seeking to impose penalties against the four companies.

  217. Mother Lode

    Melbourne public transport has videos on you tube explaining the purpose of the tunnels being dug at present around the CBD

    Public Transport is the punishment meted out to us by the elites for indulging in free movement (which could easily lead to desire for other freedoms) and also for our presumption – it is not as if the little people are government officials or anything.

  218. Infidel Tiger

    LiveSquawk

    @LiveSquawk
    Follow Follow @LiveSquawk

    PBOC: Liquidity In The Banking System Is At Reasonably Ample Levels

    6:18 PM – 6 Aug 2019

    Bwahaha!

    Chinks are packing it.

  219. notafan

    Was thinking about that case where the woman is a serial false accuser.

    How did it even get to court.

    Should have never even been charged.

    Victims charters that insist on treating accusers as impeccable truth tellers are a major part of the problem.

    How many millions in taxpayer’s dollars too.

  220. Infidel Tiger

    Live Monitor
    ‏@amlivemon

    Beijing Ponzi Scheme 101:

    1. Buy USTs
    2. Loan out against your $ reserves 10x or more over
    3. Buy gold and oil in Yuan
    4. Force OBOR/BRI nations to accept Yuan credits, not $ for resources
    5. When domestic corporate loans default in $ debts, sell everything, steal, start over

  221. egg_

    Wind farms are being taken to court over SA’s blackout — how did we get here?

    Please excuse my Schadenboner.

  222. egg_

    The AER’s legal proceedings against subsidiaries of AGL, Neoen, Pacific Hydro and Tilt Renewables were to “send a strong signal to all energy businesses about the importance of compliance with performance standards to promote system security and reliability”.

    Penalising unreliable energy?
    Stick that where the sun don’t shine.

  223. johanna

    Renter societies are inherently unstable and socialist

    No, but it depends on the framework for renting.

    My olds both came from renting families in The Netherlands, where renting was the norm for the not rich.

    But, they had security of tenure, could paint or do improvements, and had a stake in making their home better. Unlike public housing in Australia, at the first whiff of anti-social behaviour they would have been evicted.

    As a long term renter before I bought my first shack, I know that the landlord/lady wants the rent paid on time and minimal hassles. In return, you get a quiet life. My last two stints lasted five years each, at below market prices. Why? Because I was reliable, and didn’t wake them up in the middle of the night if a tap washer failed. Also, while I will never win a Good Housekeeping award, the joint was clean and tidy.

    That said, renting in Australia is full of traps for young players, especially given the costs of relocation. I remember when I moved from my room in Tench Street, Kingston in 1973 with all my posessions in a Mazda and the mattress tied on the roof. Cost of relocation = zero. I moved in with a rugby union player who had a two bedroom flat in Lyneham and wanted to share the rent. Lovely bloke, never came on to me, was much more interested in his footy mates.

    Maybe I’ve been lucky, but I also lived in a superb art deco apartment in Elizabeth Bay with water glimpses for a few years. Mind you, during that time I visited Cold Chisel in their eastern suburbs apartment, which was very grand with harbour views, although fashionably shabby.

    For me, renting was a useful guide to what I wanted and what was achievable.

  224. Mother Lode

    Is AOC really putting her slippers under the bed of that ugly beta ranga?

    Can you imagine how many combinations she can create of her nagging, haranging, weeping, pestering, blaming, and shrieking with her ignorance, stupidity, magical thinking, confusion, unjustified confidence, and feelz?

    No normal person could bear that. There might be a sweaty romp in the hay once in a while, but even that would not be sex but the intersection of power structures, gender dynamics, socio-economic attitudes, and the negative space of feminist-macrame-ism.

  225. Rae

    I am still shadow banned

    Are you Rae?

    Fraid so, Hun.

  226. IT:

    Nuking HK to own the US.

    Nowhere did I suggest the Chinese would nuke Hong Kong. I postulated the nuking of a US Carrier Battle Group as it came into the Chinese Air and Missile Defence Network, by nuclear tipped torpedo. This would be deniable by China, and the US would have to prove it wasn’t one of theirs.
    China could then hold back from Hong Kong “In the interests of world peace.” and go back to the gradualist approach.
    Face saved.

  227. Knuckle Dragger

    The difference in the serial accusing chick and the P3ll accuser isn’t known just yet.

    We know of, and can comment on the P3ll thing because the media has released specifics on the stories dreamed up by a ‘victim’ and shone some light on the deeply flawed investigation and the motivation behind it.

    We don’t know about this one. Yet.

    Still highly likely to be a crock of shit, and she could certainly have her history of false complaints laid bare in court for the benefit of the jury.

    But rejected outright solely on the basis of telling previous porkies? Nah.

    Her credibility should bring her down though, as it so often does in these things. Provided common sense plays enough of a part.

  228. egg_

    Three directions Hong Kong could head from here:

    Authorities wait out protesters
    Beijing intervenes directly, imposes martial law
    Authorities make meaningful concessions
    The most likely outcome, said Bland, is that Beijing and Hong Kong will try to wait out the protests, arrest rally leaders after the momentum slows down and “slowly bring the city back to order.”

  229. Knuckle Dragger

    Lode,

    Yup. Sometimes a root’s just a root.

    Some punters over think and overcomplicate stuff.

    Sometimes it’s really meaningful. Sometimes it’s fun. Sometimes you’ve got half an hour to kill before the crikkit’s on. Sometimes it’s all three, or none of the above.

    Even when it’s really bad, it’s still sorta good.

  230. $A = .6697
    Au = $2,221 oz.
    Ag = $25.17 oz.
    Buck buck buck…

  231. Cassie of Sydney

    “notafan
    #3125642, posted on August 7, 2019 at 1:34 pm
    Was thinking about that case where the woman is a serial false accuser.

    How did it even get to court.

    Should have never even been charged.”

    How did the Jarratt case get to court?

    Jarratt should never ever have been charged.

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