Open Forum: August 10, 2019

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  1. zyconoclast

    Gloucester cathedral charges $3.50 for a ride on its bizarre – and novel – ‘helter skelter’

    THEY are renowned for their architectural majesty, historical significance and – at a push – their niche gift-shop offerings.

    Yet in recent years the trend for installing novelty attractions at cathedrals – with everything from an installation of a Moon-themed art exhibit to crazy golf – has sparked furious debate.

    Now Norwich Cathedral has been accused of “treating God like a tourist attraction” after it installed a 55ft helter skelter in the nave to give visitors a better view of its ornate ceiling.

    The Rev Canon Andy Bryant said the idea came to him when he was visiting the Sistine Chapel in Vatican City.

    “The fun comes in the shape of a helter skelter,” he said.

    “The ‘serious’ comes in creating opportunities for reflective, God-shaped conversations. It is playful in its intent but also profoundly missional.

    “It is the cathedral doing what it has always done – encouraging conversations about God.

    “By its sheer size and grandeur it speaks of the things of God – it points beyond itself. Its sheer presence helps to keep the rumour of God alive and plays its part in passing on the story of Salvation.”

    For just 2 pounds a ride ($3.56), visitors will be able to enjoy a closer look at medieval carvings that depict Biblical stories.

    It is part of the cathedral’s “Seeing It Differently” campaign, which was devised by Mr Bryant, the canon for mission and pastoral care.

    However, the Right Rev Dr Gavin Ashenden, former chaplain to the Queen, has criticised Norwich Cathedral for making a “mockery” of God.

    “Instead of allowing a cathedral to act as a bridge between people and God’s presence, instead it obscures it by offering to entertain and divert people,” he said.

    “There’s a sliding scale between mockery and blasphemy. It’s a mockery, because it’s treating God like a tourist attraction, instead of as the creator of the universe. To turn this into entertainment suggests cathedrals have lost their responsibility to Christ because they are preoccupied with the demands of society.”

    It comes after Rochester Cathedral opened a nine-hole crazy golf course allowing visitors to putt their way around the 11th century building.

    In the past cathedral visitors have also skated in the aisles at Gloucester and gazed at an installation of the Moon at Liverpool.

    While many cathedrals face financial struggles, congregations have risen by about 10 per cent in a decade, with a total weekly attendance of 37,000 people.

    The Archbishop of Canterbury even told a conference last year: “The first thing I want is for people not to be bored. I want them to have fun… If you can’t have fun in a cathedral, you don’t know what fun is.”

    Prof Diarmaid MacCulloch of the University of Oxford, said while some would think the ride a “trendy”, “dangerous” or “undignified” installation, the helter skelter has been placed in an area of the church often used for leisure purposes in the Middle Ages.

    “But cathedrals don’t have any problem at all getting people in through the doors, so this shouldn’t be seen as a desperate attempt to get people in the building,” he added.

    “I’m not sure I would have done it, but it’s worth seeing what it does.”

    The helter skelter, which has been hired from a funfair, will be at the cathedral until August 18.

    Any surplus funds will be put towards cathedral initiatives.

  2. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Good moaning!

  3. Rossini

    Bloody cold in Melbourne yesterday!

  4. Rossini

    Although not as cold as Canberra!

  5. Up The Workers!

    In 2005, I visited St Paul’s Cathedral in London, and was greeted just inside the door by an obnoxious mercenary gargoyle sitting at a trestle-table behind a cash-till, who demanded that I pay him (I think) 5 pounds admission fee.

    I told him that I had earlier visited the Vatican and Cologne Cathedral and neither of them demanded cash from those entering the house of God, but he said “I don’t care what those Catholics do – it’ll cost you 5 pound to get in here!”.

    I said “You must be that ‘money-changer in the Temple’ I read about in the bible”, after which I went snap, snap, snap, snap, taking as many photos as I could get away with, while the florid-faced money-gouger yelled for the Holy bouncers, bruisers and Security Guards to come quick and throw me out for committing the cardinal sin of not paying the sacred 5 pound entry fee.

    I’ve wondered ever since, what God’s cut (if any) of that 5 pound entry fee might be. Don’t suppose I’ll ever get the opportunity to find out, now.

  6. Beachcomber

    custard #3127556, posted on August 9, 2019 at 8:28 pm

    You’ll all know where to find it, just go and have a listen to tonight’s episode of Te Dum.
    Listen to Matt Schlapp the organiser of this weekends CPAC conference.
    He Schlapped the panel around big time. It was a joy to watch.
    Lefty heads will be exploding everywhere.

    Watched some of it. Bornstein and the Marxist group-think session comrades kept on trying to generate Trump 666 outrage, but they were effortlessly Schlapped down at every turn. It was a joy to watch.

  7. Steve trickler

    Big Boy. He’s on the way back home.



  8. John Constantine

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/snooping-on-google-reveals-stream-of-data-from-our-phones/news-story/5401004851afce12223800bb93ad5803?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=acq_content_bau&utm_content=inquirer&fbclid=IwAR1Dsk4IRwvilUMjB4rii39N91WghK2uupBRHWYBel6yoWu2HMg3yeLtOM0

    The barometric pressure monitoring for height above sea level is surprisingly accurate and easily tracks which floor of a building you are on.

    sent a fire hose of data to Google, which the phone software intercepted and sent to our analysis program.

    I kept a diary of my activity for that period to match it against Google’s data stream. Here are some examples.

    Between 2.02pm and 2.33pm on June 23 — 31 minutes — one of the phones conducted 39 wi-fi scans, 15 locations scans, 15 barometric readings, and 24 activity scans — whether I was still or on foot. More than 20 of the wi-fi scans each identified more than 20 wi-fi access points.

    On June 27 I commuted by train and tram to a conference, then stayed in the city for dinner. The phone sent 529 readings of data to Google. Of that, 158 were activity-related, 222 were barometric readings, 121 were locations, 29 were about changes in rates of data accumulation and 151 were scans of wi-fi sources.

  9. Tom

    BoJo Derangement is rampant among British cartoonists like Dave Brown (London Independent). The bald-headed flog in the cartoon is BoJo adviser Dominic Cummings, who was the Brexit campaign director for the 2016 referendum and is therefore hated by the British media.

  10. jo

    Mike Lester for me thanks Tom

  11. notafan

    UTW

    I think st Paul’s was 18 pounds for us, or was that Westminster? whatever it was it was really steep. My kids preferred to sit in the garden and look at squirrels.

    St Paul’s is pretty dull compared to many others, but I did pay for my children to visit Westminster, too much history to not.

    I always leave a building fund or poor box donation if it is free.

    Some Catholic churches charge entry fees for us gawkers, Santa Croce in Florence, the Duomo in Siena, Sagrada Familia in Barcelona come to mind, all need millions for maintenance and in Sagrada Familia’s case building.

    We are lucky so many don’t, especially when so many tourists are so disrespectful of sacred spaces.

  12. DrBeauGan

    Thanks Tom for saving me from oblivion. Also the toons. How are

  13. DrBeauGan

    Delete last two words. The phone put them in.

  14. duncanm

    Glowball warming hits AFL in canberra.

  15. bespoke

    I was thinking of going to CPAC but the dress code and lack of Woodstock cans availability put me off plus trolling the speakers with jazz hands would be to hard to resist.

  16. Nob

    Very few churches in Italy charge anything to enter.

    The artistic riches are enormous and free to the world.

    Donate generously.

  17. BrettW

    From one of Some History’s posts last night :

    “From the above, we can also see the other key players in antismoking – American Cancer Society, American Heart Foundation, American Lung Association”.

    Who would have thought organisations like those would be anti smoking.

    It is outrageous and should be stopped at once. You know, for the health and well being of the public.

    Almost as funny as the post the other night about the British migrant who moved to WA.

  18. Mark M

    Germany eyes fiscal U-turn with new debt to finance climate plan

    “Germany is considering ditching its long-cherished balanced budget policy to help finance a costly climate protection program with new debt, a senior government official said.”

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-debt-exclusive/exclusive-germany-eyes-fiscal-u-turn-to-finance-climate-protection-plan-official-idUSKCN1UY1NS

    Please, won’t someone think of the children?

  19. Twostix

    Gloucester cathedral charges $3.50 for a ride on its bizarre – and novel – ‘helter skelter’

    It’s like we have been conquered by our worst enemies and now they are in the cultiral humiliation / replacement phase that conquerors enforce.

  20. Twostix

    Consider this: the Bolsheviks took command of Russian cathedrals and despite repurposing and dynamiting them even they weren’t such bold faced mockers and irreverent as to put a theme park inside one and claim it was godly.

    This is next level shit and as a whole this is all going to end in the same place.

  21. Twostix

    A lot of people claim that the catholic abuse scandals are the reason they, or everyone, have abandoned “religion”.

    How does that explain the total and utter collapse of religion in anglican britain?

  22. DrBeauGan

    It’s like we have been conquered by our worst enemies and now they are in the cultiral humiliation / replacement phase that conquerors enforce.
    Twostix
    #3127738, posted on August 10, 2019 at 6:27 am
    Consider this: the Bolsheviks took command of Russian cathedrals and despite repurposing and dynamiting them even they weren’t such bold faced mockers and irreverent as to put a theme park inside one and claim it was godly.

    Christianity is dead. The Anglicans have killed it in England. There are still Christians there, but the church has given in. It’s only a matter of time before Catholicism goes the same way. I find it sad and horrifying, because what is replacing it is hideous.

  23. Farmer Gez

    Someone is beavering away on the old thread.
    Shhh.

  24. DrBeauGan

    Are Cubans deaf because they shout at each other, or do they shout at each other because they are deaf? I am inadvertently studying the matter by having neighbours holding a very noisy party with what I suspect is Cuban rap music, using the word loosely. Jet planes are quieter and more musical

  25. Leigh Lowe

    Farmer Gez

    #3127745, posted on August 10, 2019 at 6:59 am

    Someone is beavering away on the old thread.
    Shhh.

    Ha, ha.
    I threw in a dummy post to hopefully keep it occupied.

  26. Eyrie

    To continue the life elsewhere discussion, I’m with JC on this.
    We are alone. We have not the slightest indication that life of any sort exists elsewhere except where we sent it.
    That’s our job, to spread life through the universe. It is “just us” who have been given the job. Let’s not blow it.

  27. DrBeauGan

    There is also a horrible smell drifting in. I have a dreadful suspicion it is cooking.

    I think I am lost among brogans of a degree of boganity beyond my experience. They like eating long dead road kill.

  28. Robber Baron

    This is a good proposal. Who is against it?

  29. Twostix

    the church has guven in

    No the post 1970’s church was a willing accomplice.

    I work near an anglican cathedral and visit it at lunch occasionally out of curiosity. I’m glad it’s not my sect as it is a temple for the worship of the modern bugman religion. The rainbow flags out front are a bit of a give away.

    Everything outside screams “stay away!” To the everyman. And we do.

  30. Leigh Lowe

    137.4% of spuds are still on the dead fred.
    Shhh.

  31. Twostix

    It’s something to think that in 1000 years anglicanism will just be another entry on the long list of dead heretical christian sects that were a thing for a minute in history.

    To us it shaped the world, culminating in the creation of the evangelical empire (which now destroys Britain as predicted at the time) and its actions have shaped much of the way we think and operate, but they wont know any of that.

  32. egg_

    This is next level shit and as a whole this is all going to end in the same place.

    Blair’s Law, per Calli on the OOT.

  33. egg_

    This is next level shit and as a whole this is all going to end in the same place.

    Blair’s Law, per Calli on the OOT.

    It is sedition to question the concept of an Abo voice in Parliament, just as it is to question CAGW.

  34. calli

    Kelly must know my daughters.

    Varvel – the brutal truth

    Lester – quite.

  35. will

    DrBeauGan
    #3127749, posted on August 10, 2019 at 7:07 am
    There is also a horrible smell drifting in. I have a dreadful suspicion it is cooking.

    I think I am lost among brogans of a degree of boganity beyond my experience. They like eating long dead road kill.

    Not sure they would like it if they had a choice. Cuba has suffered a lot of “bad luck”, US sanctions and all, whilst Australia is the “lucky country” having had “good luck”.

  36. egg_

    Uluru Statement from the Heart is the vehicle for the Abo Industry Neo-Fascists, Comrade.

  37. calli

    Christianity is dead.

    Bzzzzzzt.

    Alive and kicking. Its wealthy, ostentatious trappings will decay and wither like everything else born to futility.

    But the life of Christ in the hearts of his followers endures. All is not as it seems.

  38. Cant believe the ” theme park ” inside Gloucester Cathedral. My great great grandfather was ordained there as was his eldest son. Is that grinding of teeth I can hear from beyond the grave ?

  39. egg_

    To us it shaped the world, culminating in the creation of the evangelical empire (which now destroys Britain as predicted at the time) and its actions have shaped much of the way we think and operate, but they wont know any of that.

    They say that companies live and die like organisms. Likely due to a long term competitive environment.
    Cultures similarly over a longer timescale?
    Querties et al are parasites overwhelming the host organism?

  40. DrBeauGan

    But the life of Christ in the hearts of his followers endures. All is not as it seems.

    I very much hope you are right, Calli. But the organisation that held it together has collapsed. Gone over to the bugmen, as twostix puts it.

  41. dover_beach

    The problem currently in the Church are the effeminate clergy. Compare them with the men that Christ entrusted the keys and those that travelled the ends of the earth to spread the good news.

  42. egg_

    This is next level shit and as a whole this is all going to end in the same place.

    Blair’s Law.

    Like a clusterfvck accretion disc.

  43. lotocoti

    Who is against it?

    Labor.
    In those dying days of the Blight regime, the LNP did one good thing, sneaking through optional preferential voting.

  44. Leigh Lowe

    Once again, the ignorance of Rowe on display.
    Apparently the RBA, whose primary purpose is to manage monetary policy within tight inflation bounds, must be heeded by an elected government when they recommend an increase to Newstart.
    #beyondmypervue

  45. calli

    A few months I made this comment to some Anglican Christian friends – the moment they decide to ordain women in the Sydney diocese will be the moment it begins to decline.

    They were utterly gobsmacked, both hot for the ordination of women. The scales fell from my eyes – people I had known all my life had morphed into a-scriptural progressives.

    Sure, churches may for a time swell with the curious and formerly ticked off. But like the seed that grows for a time in shallow soil and withers in the sun, they will disappear as times get tough. It’s the fruit of disobedience.

  46. Bruce of Newcastle

    Greta is unhappy.

    Climate teen summit hit with ‘crying fits and violent quarrels’ as icon Greta throws news media out

    Climate icon Greta Thunberg had the media thrown out of the hall on Friday. The reason: The newspapers reported on the quarrels at the climate summit in Lausanne.

    On the last day of the “Smile for Future” climate summit at the University of Lausanne, the mood among the teenagers remains tense. Since Wednesday, when there had been crying fits and violent quarrels at times at the meeting, the activists are under particular observation.

    The idol of the movement, Greta Thunberg, knows that too. The friction among the youngsters does not leave the 16-year-old Swede indifferent. On the contrary: On Friday morning her patience snapped. She personally had the journalists present thrown out of the hall.

    This sort of thing didn’t end well for Joan of Arc. Time, young lady, to change your name, move to the country and learn some stuff at school.

  47. egg_

    To continue the life elsewhere discussion, I’m with JC on this.

    IIRC JC once posited that Life didn’t arise at one single location on Earth.
    Ditto the Universe?

  48. Twostix

    It’s takes little to see that there are attempts to create a new religion to replace christianity, children are subject to a bizarre prayer to abo elders before each assembly which is crankung up to abo priests cleansing large public gatherings, we have new heresies, the only demonstrably sacred things now are man man “love” its symbols and Diversity(tm) .

    It’s easy to see what’s up. Walk through my kids school and look at the classroom windows which are each plastered with abo worship, multicultural or green left classroom work displays. (Harmony day!, Naidoc week, people are making the earth bad for animals).

    It’s a full court press at the moment.

  49. roger

    A lot of people claim that the catholic abuse scandals are the reason they, or everyone, have abandoned “religion”.

    Our favourite American airhead, Ms Quotas, KK said so after Pell was found “guilty”. Why would anyone abandon their religion because of imaginary (as is certainly the case with Cardinal Pell), or even real wrongdoing by some individual?
    How is having a religion inconsistent with some people doing evil things
    (or, as Ilhan Omar will have it, “some people doing something”)?

  50. egg_

    our job, to spread life through the universe.

    We’ve put plenty of microbes into Space.

  51. calli

    The problem currently in the Church are the effeminate clergy.

    My little Pressbutton church has been blessed with a tough nut. His wife, ditto.

    And tough nuts need to be prayed for. They are bombarded with an avalanche of troubles and temptations the moment their faithfulness starts to become fruitful and the pews begin to fill. If you have a good priest, pray for him, dover. And look after him – it can be a very lonely calling.

  52. P

    Melbourne, Australia, Aug 9, 2019 / 08:36 am (CNA).-
    Cardinal George Pell has written a letter thanking supporters for their prayers and saying he is “disturbed” by the preparations for the forthcoming synod on the Amazon.
    The text of the two-page, handwritten letter – images of which were shared with CNA and confirmed by sources close to Pell – has been circulated amongst a group of Pell’s closest supporters in Australia.

    In the letter, Pell says that he has received between 1500-2000 messages of support during his time in prison, and that he intends to answer all of them.
    The prayers and letters of the faithful, he said, “bring immense consolation, humanly and spiritually.”
    “My faith in the Lord, like yours, is a source of strength.”

  53. Leigh Lowe

    A carbohydrate free open thread.
    What a joy to behold!

  54. calli

    I saw what you did there, LL.

  55. Twostix

    Climate icon Greta Thunberg had the media thrown out of the hall on Friday. The reason: The newspapers reported on the quarrels at the climate summit in Lausanne.

    Why is this whole thing, a thing?

    Souless media class bugmen are literally crying out for spiritual leaders. Anyone who exists outside of their dead material world will do: pretend abo’s, 16 year old autists, muslim imams. They’re desperare to feel connected to something and need a channeler to get them there.

  56. calli

    There’s something wrong.

    We were told many times that our children would never see snow, not know what it was.

  57. DrBeauGan

    Not sure they would like it if they had a choice. Cuba has suffered a lot of “bad luck”, US sanctions and all, whilst Australia is the “lucky country” having had “good luck”.

    I think our good luck was a relative sobriety of temper from our British traditions; getting passionate wasn’t something we did. We argued with each other without going off our heads, and we objected strongly to corruption. There was a common thread of conservativism of outlook. By contrast the foreigners who got all excited and waved their hands a lot were regarded with a tolerant contempt. The Spanish and Italians were thought, with some justice, to be unreliable and hasty.

    Revolutionary fervour wasn’t our cup of tea. We made changes slowly after looking at all sides of the argument.

    That’s all gone. Companies advertise for people with passion. Politicians are required to be passionate. Fervour is good, no matter what you are fervent about.

    So we fill the place up with one eyed loonies.

    I reckon our luck has run out. We’ll be reduced to roadkill in a while.

  58. roger

    In the letter, Pell says that he has received between 1500-2000 messages of support during his time in prison

    I tried to contact one politician for Pell’s contact details. No reply. Does anyone know it?

  59. egg_

    the fruit of disobedience.

    The antithesis of the “discipline” lecture the dad was giving his kid in the Supermarket the other day – essentially that discipline was dished out by Authority for power’s sake, purely negative, like Pavlov’s dogs – the Lefty inner Totalitarian speaking to a 7 y.u. kid?

  60. Twostix

    Last time I vistited the angilcan cathedralsl i flicked through the glossy free Anglicans Now! Or whatever it was called Magazine that was in the table.

    The first three articles were written by puffy faced boomer women wearing collars (priestesses?) And of course each was an article explaining what the reader (presumably middle tier anglucan functionaries) was required to think now on refugees, social thinking and the church (spoiler: it’s bugmanism).

  61. roger

    We were told many times that our children would never see snow, not know what it was.

    Maybe, istead of using the s word, we should refer to it from now on as “Flannery Crystals “.

  62. Mater

    Nature or nurture?

    Experts have called for an urgent national inquiry into the safety and ethics of ‘puberty blocker’ drugs reportedly being used in girls as young as nine and boys from 11 who are confused about their gender.

    New national figures ­obtained by The Australian under freedom of information legislation from major hospitals in NSW, Victoria, Western Australia and Queensland, show 2,415 children were referred for gender treatment between 2014 and 2018.

    Victoria has seen the biggest spike, with a 41 per cent increase in cases.

    The massive increase means there are more children referred for hormone drug treatments than there were transgender or gender diverse people in the whole country in 2016 – 1,260 according to Census data.

  63. Mater

    Farmer Gez
    #3127745, posted on August 10, 2019 at 6:59 am

    Someone is beavering away on the old thread.
    Shhh.

    Someone has to be the tethered goat. T’is my turn today.

  64. Herodotus

    Not mentioning any names in particular, but people who have earned big bucks from the public purse for years and are now on a very good pension (such as a former PM) should only get a UN job, most of which are virtue-signalling sinecures, if they agree to do it pro bono.

  65. DrBeauGan

    The problem currently in the Church are the effeminate clergy.

    They don’t like masculinity for obvious reasons. But Calli’s tough nut won’t be effeminate.

    I’m for a lot more toxic masculinity. I try to set a good example.

  66. notafan

    Have a great PP at my local thriving parish, celibacy is not a synonym for lonely.

    Priests have friends and family and an extraordinary spiritual life.

    There is a reason why certain women wish to take over ‘lifting the cups’.

    In any case the Church is not dead, not even in Europe, but growing, in places like Africa and China.

    The beauty of those churches in Europe built by our ‘dark age’ forbears will be replicated by loving hands in many far flung places, for the glory of God.

  67. Mater

    Not mentioning any names in particular, but people who have earned big bucks from the public purse for years and are now on a very good pension (such as a former PM) should only get a UN job, most of which are virtue-signalling sinecures, if they agree to do it pro bono.

    Politicians pensions should be means tested until 67 (or whatever new number our overlords determine that we can get access to our money). Just like the rest of us.

  68. Eyrie

    Herodotus, we should means test the pension. If the UN job pays more than the pension, they lose it.
    Saves us money.

  69. Gab

    Some more from Cdl Pell’s letter

    “The knowledge that my small suffering can be used for good purposes through being joined to Jesus’ suffering gives me purpose and direction,” … “Challenges and problems in Church life should be confronted in a similar spirit of faith.”

  70. notafan

    The effeminates in the Catholic Church are being replaced by a new generation, Pope Benedict’s end to the acceptance of gays into the seminary has been affirmed by Pope Francis.

    The clock is ticking.

  71. notafan

    Roger I can find out I think.

  72. one old bruce

    I visited Sydney’s Newtown historic Anglican church once and was impressed with the Pastor’s wife – dynamic, friendly and probab;y very conservative. The church has no ‘graven images’ at all, only texts adorn the walls – must be very ‘Low Church’ Evangelical?

    Raised Irish Catholic I could not see the differences in ‘Protestants’ until I began to study them recently. At first I thought I’d be close to High Church Anglicans who say they are ‘Catholic’. But now I’m starting to understand just how profound Martin Luther’s insights were, not just some random change of fashion but a whole different way of seeing the world as between every single individual and God, with no intermediary except the Bible.

    I used to cringe at Reverend Paisely, but now he seems the one with the most integrity. And did anyone see the episode of Derry Girls, where Catholic girls all want a ‘full blown Protestant’ boyfriend? It figures. (It’s on youtube, called ‘Difference between Catholics and Protestants – Derry Girls’).

  73. feelthebern

    A perfect post by mater on the old thread.

  74. feelthebern

    News from the Oz: Business calls on government for IR reform.

    ScoMo should tell them to fvck right off.

  75. calli

    Newtown is what they used to dub “low church”, Bruce.

  76. notafan

    Oob

    Where is the ‘integrity’ of a man who’s reason for living was his hatred of Catholics?

    If that is the best protestism can offer you can have it.

  77. notafan

    And raised Irish Catholic and you couldn’t tell the difference between a sacramental faith and that protesting it?

    Not much Catholic then.

  78. notafan

    That man and his Bible without an intermediary is simply untrue, Luther himself was clearly an intermediary as is every other pastor, preacher, reverend in the Protestant world.

    Not to mention the 47,000 and growing Protestant denominations now in the world that cannot agree about the Bible.

  79. stackja

    feelthebern
    #3127809, posted on August 10, 2019 at 8:30 am
    News from the Oz: Business calls on government for IR reform.

    ScoMo should tell them to fvck right off.

    JWH proposed Work Choices. Business support?

  80. C.L.

    Gloucester cathedral charges $3.50 for a ride on its bizarre – and novel – ‘helter skelter’

    This month, Rochester Cathedral (said to be England’s second-oldest church) has had its interior stripped for mini-golf. This is real.

  81. stackja

    Gay penguins at Berlin zoo wait to be dads
    Two gay penguins at Berlin Zoo called Skipper and Ping have been given an egg to adopt after showing clear signs they wanted an egg for a while, keepers say.
    Deutsche Presse Agentur
    August 10, 2019 5:53am

    Two homosexual emperor penguins at Berlin Zoo are preparing for the patter of tiny feet after zoo staff gave them an egg to adopt last month.

    “The two male penguins are acting like exemplary parents, taking turns to warm the egg,” zoo spokesman Maximilian Jaeger said on Friday.

    The two soon-to-be parents, Skipper and Ping, were staying close by each other and protecting the egg from the other penguins.

    Skipper and Ping came to Berlin from Hamburg’s zoo in April. The two 10-year-old emperor penguins had been showing clear signs that they wanted an egg for a while.

    “They kept trying to hatch fish and stones,” Jaeger said. After watching them do this, the zoo staff gave them a real egg from the only female in the group, who had tried and failed to hatch her eggs for several years in a row.

    Once they were given the real egg, the two gay penguins got straight to work. “We’re not sure if the egg has been fertilised,” Jaeger explained. If it has been, then it should take around 55 days for the hatchling to emerge.

    This is not the only case of homosexual penguins in captivity or in the wild.

    “Same-sex penguin couples exist in their natural habitat as well,” Jaeger said, adding that it wasn’t even unusual.

    Other zoos also have same-sex male penguin couples, who have successfully hatched eggs before. However, it would be a first for Berlin.

  82. feelthebern

    This is the same business community that was silent during the federal election.
    The same business community that employed 100’s of ALP toadies so they could curry favour with the expected ALP regime.

  83. feelthebern

    Berlin Zoo is shit.

  84. C.L.

    Well, you knew it was coming …
    WE WANT THE “RIGHT” TO SEX-SELECTION!!

    And the ABC takes up the cause … too many boys is “distressing”.

    The Legalise Family Balancing group has written to more than 100 state and federal MPs and the National Health and Medical Research Council (NHMRC) to plead their case.

    Their letter states that “gender desire causes genuine and, at times, severe distress in those experiencing it. Restricting sex selection is effectively denying Australians access to what would be an effective means of alleviating this distress“.

    They said gender disappointment caused “psychological anguish” and some women were terminating pregnancies based on gender.

    One woman, who wished to remain anonymous, told ABC News of her devastation at losing her daughter at 33 weeks, to then fall pregnant with a baby boy.

    “I felt like I was ripped off — I felt like nothing would ever be the same again and that my whole world was just coming crashing down, because it was not what I’d hoped and not what I’d dreamed,” she said.

    “Despite having two beautiful boys — they can’t fill that void of a girl — because they’re different, they’re completely different.”

  85. stackja

    Why does Alex Greenwich want to abort babies? Since he is most unlikely to be a father?

  86. Gab

    CL if you haven’t already checked your email …

  87. Knuckle Dragger

    Mater.

    Get in here and repost your effort at 7.38 on the OOT.

    Brilliant.

  88. calli

    Luther himself was clearly an intermediary as is every other pastor, preacher, reverend in the Protestant world.

    No, Nota. They are fellow workers with gifts for teaching. They have a high calling and will be judged much more strenuously than their flocks. They are not “in between” the flock and God, their job is to point to him.

    All I was suggesting is that our priests and pastors should be prayed for.

  89. Knuckle Dragger

    Lester today, and daylight second.

    The cocooned kiddies of today have no idea of what having a bad day means.

  90. thefrollickingmole

    “Despite having two beautiful boys — they can’t fill that void of a girl — because they’re different, they’re completely different.”

    Did she just assume their gender…

    RRRRRREEEEEE!!!!!!!!

  91. Knuckle Dragger

    Lester today, and daylight second.

    The cocooned munchkins we are herding through life have no idea what having a bad day means.

  92. Mater

    It doesn’t seem relevant to this thread, KD.

  93. Knuckle Dragger

    Give it time, Mater.

  94. feelthebern

    Martin Luther was an anti Semite who formalised & industrialised anti Semitism in Europe.

  95. C.L.

    Did so last night, Gab.
    Thanks for the tips.

  96. one old bruce

    Paisely did not “hate Catholics”. When he went door knocking he did not ask strangers what church they belonged to – because he saw everyone as an individual. He asked about their faith in our common Christianity.

    These days I think you practically have to be a Canon lawyer to follow the changes in the Catholic church and keep a sense of security. Meanwhile the faith and salvation of the Protestants who I’ve read relies totally on the individual. At some stage as we get older and everything else keeps changing, inner integrity is what we (I) fall back on. At least I know who I am, while all the world around may do what it pleases.

    As Martin Luther realised, God became man ‘for us’! For us, for every single one of us.

  97. Knuckle Dragger

    Lester today, and daylight second.

    The delicate munchkins we are herding through life have no idea what having a bad day means.

  98. thefrollickingmole

    Teach people their country is shit, the army is evil and not worth defending then wake up to..

    UK army combat units 40% below strength as recruitment plummets

    Britain faces an army recruitment crisis, with frontline combat units operating as much as 40% below strength, figures obtained by the Guardian reveal.

    Data released by the Ministry of Defence under freedom of information laws shows the number of soldiers in the British army’s infantry regiments has declined steadily over the past five years. There are more than 2,500 fewer personnel in frontline units than 2015, and all 16 regular regiments are have shortfalls.

    “We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst.”

    ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

  99. Knuckle Dragger

    Catholic Hour is early today.

    The elders of yesteryear were prescient in not allowing chicks anywhere near the priesthood.

    All of them would instantly be in competition to redesign robes to include décolletage and taffeta, fascinators would be worn on every feast day (each one new, of course), and the homily would of course be a recap of The Bachelor.

  100. one old bruce

    Luther was a vibrant genius who felt he had restored the ancient integrity of J*daism, but when they did not agree with him he certainly got very angry and said a lot of nasty things. Maybe he was bipolar like a lot of geniuses, prone to hyperbole, and violent outbursts. I take a diamond even if it’s in a sewer.

  101. P

    Pics of the two page letter by Cardinal Pell.
    Page 1
    Page 2

  102. Mother Lode

    Alive and kicking. Its wealthy, ostentatious trappings will decay and wither like everything else born to futility.

    But the life of Christ in the hearts of his followers endures. All is not as it seems.

    Beat me to it, calli.

    The sublime motive force of Christianity proceeds from, is received by, and thus binds at, the level of individuals. When dominant it produces the grand cathedrals, but they are expressions of Christianity, not Christianity itself. The tides of the social manifestation of the faith may swell and drain, but it will itself persist in people’s hearts.

    There is the first chapter of Kenneth Clark’s book ‘Civilisation’ (based on his TV series) called ‘Skin of Our Teeth’ where he recounts the endless assault on European, or more intelligibly, Christian civilisation that drove it back, desperately clinging to the edges of the world. Anyone would have thought its days numbered – if they paid any attention to it at all. But it sprung back in majestic fashion. Conquering the conquerors. While this progress might be mapped by the proliferation of churches and cathedrals, it’s true and underlying progress was a spreading from person to person.

    When I was a kid it rankled me a little that Australia was more Anglican than Catholic (even though the tenets of Anglicanism state that it is still part of the Catholic Church). I revelled in the fact that there were larger swathes of territory in atlases that said Catholic than Anglican. This thinking was, of course, the antithesis of Christianity. It was the thinking of a kid. (Also the level of religious maturity that the most strident atheists work at when dismissing religion, in my experience.) It was a thought that ‘we’ were in competition. That there were territories to be gained, opponents to be overwhelmed, and some sort of eventual tallying to declare the victors.

    Miles away from the humble carpenter’s son who rode a donkey, preached from a bare hill, spoke in terms of sandals and single coins, and implored forgiveness for the very people who had nailed him to a cross.

    Buildings may raise and fall. Laws demand and prohibit. TV shows gavotte, politicians posture, men in splendid habits enunciate, and magazine columnists spiral into ridiculous blackholes of their own making. But all these grandiose and weighty workings are really just the periphery.

    The kindness of one to another, the welcome from someone one when the other feels abandoned, the ear when they think noone cares to listen, the food when they are hungry, the clothes when they are cold, their being called by name when their name doesn’t matter – and through all this the absence of any demand for payment, or favour, or obligation is the most powerful attraction of all.

    This is a human truth.

    Christianity is as strong as ever.

  103. Tintarella di Luna

    Interseting: Issue 09 – Semester one 2019 Sydney University magazine – SAM (Sydney Alumni Magazine) arrived with the front cover story being Ripping into Plastic Waste –– and it arrived covered in plastic but that’s OK the plastic was stamped as Being EcoPure Biodegradable Plastic solution web address http://www.bio-tec.biz according to the blur on google EcoPure® is an organic additive that causes plastic to biodegrade* through a series of chemical and biological processes in a landfill disposal environment.

  104. Tom

    … gender disappointment caused “psychological anguish” and some women were terminating pregnancies based on gender.

    One woman, who wished to remain anonymous, told ABC News of her devastation at losing her daughter at 33 weeks, to then fall pregnant with a baby boy.

    “Despite having two beautiful boys — they can’t fill that void of a girl — because they’re different, they’re completely different.”

    Since it has been promoting pederasty since the 1970s, it should be no surprise that the ABC is now the modern home of eugenics.

  105. feelthebern

    Paisely did not “hate Catholics”. When he went door knocking he did not ask strangers what church they belonged to – because he saw everyone as an individual. He asked about their faith in our common Christianity.

    Sounds like an earlier form of doxing.
    Evil prick.

  106. one old bruce

    In fact Martin Luther’s discovery was Western Individualism – the basis of our culture. Every other culture is tribal. Don’t cut off the branch you’re sitting on.

  107. feelthebern

    Luther was a vibrant genius who felt he had restored the ancient integrity of J*daism,

    Breaking news.
    OOB is an anti Semite.
    or an apologist.
    For shame.

  108. Knuckle Dragger

    For those interested, there were no topless chicks driving grog carts on course during the golf day.

    This bastard country.

  109. cuckoo

    In 2005, I visited St Paul’s Cathedral in London, and was greeted just inside the door by an obnoxious mercenary gargoyle sitting at a trestle-table behind a cash-till, who demanded that I pay him (I think) 5 pounds admission fee.

    Had exactly the same experience; could have paid the ticket but refused on principle.

  110. one old bruce

    And to Paisley’s critics (I was one) – don’t you think we all sound just a bit too tribal?

    Anyway the Derry Catholic girls seem to know where their best interest lies. 🙂

  111. feelthebern

    The best thing about dog ownership is on freezing mornings like this, they make the best foot warmer and or hot water bottle.

  112. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    The Legalise Family Balancing group

    Dafuq?

    I know a guy who has three sons, and he knows another parent at his school that has three daughters.

    Looks like a match made in heaven. Better than using abortion to even things out, surely.

  113. Mater

    “If the day ever comes that men will not fight when their country is at death grips, it will be because the country is rotten to the core and not worth fighting for.”
    – Prime Minister Billy Hughes

  114. zyconoclast

    I blame white supremacy

    Mexico City: Mexican police have found nine bodies hanging from a road bridge alongside a drug cartel banner threatening rivals.

    Seven more corpses were found hacked up and dumped by the road nearby in the western city of Uruapan, and just down the road were three more, making a total of 19.

  115. cuckoo

    I must be dreaming, but did I really see the following on the ABC? Promo for deadly unfunny series Utopia in which the protagonist Tony asks a group of young hipsterish types “If you could snap your fingers and get the government to do one thing for you, what would it be?”

    After an awkward pause, one hipster says tentatively “Get out of our way?”

  116. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Anyway the Derry Catholic girls seem to know where their best interest lies

    Ulster is doomed, friend.

    http://endgameinulster.blogspot.com/

  117. thefrollickingmole

    Proof, if needed all politicians are useless control freaks who hate, really really hate the people they lord over.
    Imagine being so stupid you think you can “stop knife crime” by hassling people buying cutlery.

    Imagine also you have retarded down your news papers enough they print a story like this as a “serious issue”.

    Knives being sold via Facebook without any age check
    Recent UK law bans online sellers sending knives to homes unless buyer verified as 18+

    Knives can be purchased on Facebook Marketplace without age verification despite a recent law requiring checks, the Guardian can reveal.

    In May, the UK government made it illegal to send knives sold on the internet and elsewhere to homes without ensuring the buyer was over 18 as part of reforms to strengthen existing legislation.

    However, the Guardian was able to purchase four sets of knives from sellers on Facebook Marketplace without age checks. The knives were then sent to a residential address.

    It is the job of councils’ local trading standards departments to enforce knife sales laws, while the onus for verifying buyers’ ages on Facebook ultimately lies with the individual sellers – often members of the public – in the absence of a regulated age-checking system.

    A wide selection of culinary knives are available on the social media site, including nine-inch cleaving knives, as well as a limited number of non-culinary knives which are not allowed to be sold on the platform.

    Blaming the thing for the actions of individuals is so hot right now.

  118. feelthebern

    The joke used to be that a man who had four daughter & no sons should just give up trying.

  119. Tintarella di Luna

    Mother Lode
    #3127855, posted on August 10, 2019 at 9:08 am

    Mother Lode thank you for this a very moving comment, if I may, I will print it out and put it next to my desk in a nice frame. It reminded me of a quote from Andre Maraux’s which has come to mind many times over this last decade which has seen the rise of pretenders and n’er’do wells as supposed leaders of Australia:

    Then I despair… I remember that all through history, the way of truth and love has always won. There have been murderers and tyrants, and for a time they can seem invincible. But in the end they always fall. Think of it always.

  120. candy

    I would not mind dropping a line to Cardinal Pell either, I have a nice card ready for a while now, just to say hi but have not been able to find an address that would be reliable.

  121. calli

    In other news

    Hot Cross Buns to be sold all year round.

  122. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Back by “popular demand”

    Wow

    I never realised what a complete and utter nutjob Charlize Thereon was.

    No wonder she could never get a husband.

    A truly vile misandrist fool.

    https://tinyurl.com/Anti-rave-ad-banned-1999

    https://tinyurl.com/CT-living-in-a-bubble

    https://tinyurl.com/The-real-world-hurts

  123. stackja

    Real Mark Latham
    @RealMarkLatham
    The upper house convenor of the Cross-Party Clique is Trevor Khan, a new exotic (protected) species of Green-Left Nat, with one foot up-country and the other in Darlinghurst. National Party Khans used to be from the Genghis branch of the family, this guy from the Sadiq Khan side!
    7:49 AM · Aug 10, 2019

  124. one old bruce

    “Ulster is doomed” – luckily or not, Irish Catholic girls are spread all round the world taking advantage of the new freedoms (one gave birth to me, via my bikie atheist ‘C of E’ ‘never set foot in a church’ Dad!, God bless him). As I say, it figures, from all the ones I’ve known over the years. Who’s more doomed than who? Is the question. Last one out turn off the lights.

  125. calli

    don’t you think we all sound just a bit too tribal?

    That’s why the vision of the New Jerusalem is so beautiful. All that will pass away too.

  126. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    You’d almost think Bernardi, Khan & Turnbull all conspired to destroy the LNP & nascent right movements and surrender to left Labor and the Greens.

    Strange bedfellows, but you’ve basically got to vote for PHON and the LDP now.

  127. Mother Lode

    Golly gee, Tints.

    Now I am blushing.

  128. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Ulster is doomed Bruce.

    Even the C of E is probably doomed too.

    All that is really left is the Southern Baptist Convention, autocephalous eastern & oriental churches and the latin rite of the Catholic Church.

    These churches allowing putt-putt golf are a literal joke, they may as well start wearing harlequin outfits and start honking.

    The political ramifications of this are yuuge. The British constitution might have to change and we might see disestablishment on a grand scale, as well as the marginalisation of the DUP and UUP.

  129. Geriatric Mayfly

    Jerusalem… I feel a song coming on.

  130. mh

    BOM forecast:

    Canberra area
    Partly cloudy. Slight (20%) chance of a shower or brief snow flurry, chiefly in the morning. Winds westerly 25 to 40 km/h.

  131. Dr Faustus

    James O’Connor in surprise selection as starting 13 in Wallabies Bledisloe sacrificial offering. Apparently he is “the key to unlocking Bledisloe Cup cabinet” and muscled his way into the starting side because “strong performance” against Argentina.

    A cynic might say that, in the post-Izzy era, the Excitement Machine would have been selected even if all he had done v los Pumas was hang around for the last 10 minutes, looking out of position, missing a couple of tackles, and advancing the ball over the game line exactly zero times.

    Oh, wait…

  132. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    That will also alter the makeup of the house of Lords and change the elite of British society, not to mention establishment norms.

  133. Knuckle Dragger

    I have not viewed, and therefore not assessed Charlize Theron of late.

    I don’t know if circumstances have changed, but she was smoking hot.

    Aside, of course, from her role as a muffin-top lezzo mass murderer.

  134. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    PM cries terror as Israeli soldier mourned

    By Agencies
    AP
    12:00AM August 10, 2019
    2 Comments

    Hundreds of people attended the funeral of an 18-year-old Israeli soldier who was found dead on Thursday with stab wounds near a Jewish settlement in the West Bank.

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu denounced the killing as a terror attack and vowed the killers would be brought to justice.

    The killing threatened to ­inflame tensions between Israelis and Palestinians just over a month before Israel’s parliamentary elections. In response to the incident, Mr Netanyahu’s nationalist allies called for further West Bank settlement construction and a heavy handed response. The soldier was identified as Dvir Sorek, from the West Bank settlement of Ofra, north of Jerusalem. He was a student at a yeshiva in the Gush Etzion settlement bloc, south of Jerusalem. His body was found on the side of a road near the yeshiva.

    Army spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Jonathan Conricus said the soldier was neither armed nor in uniform when his body was found. He said the military was investigating the circumstances of his death and searching for suspects.

    As part of the searches, a column of Israeli trucks entered the nearby Palestinian village of Beit Fajar, 1500m south of where the body was found. Soldiers blocked the road and searched homes.

    The military said it was calling up more troops to the West Bank in response to the incident.

    There was no immediate claim of responsibility, but Hamas ­issued a statement praising the killing. “We salute the hero fighters, sons of our people, who carried out the heroic operation which killed a soldier of the occupation army,” Hamas said.

    The Palestinian militant group Islamic Jihad also hailed the killing as “heroic and bold”.

    From the Oz.

  135. 1735099

    Case in point.
    So by your own admission, the heat exhaustion incident had nothing to do with your already shitty morale.

    It didn’t help.
    But what sustained us was our loyalty and support for each other.
    It was ourselves we were fighting for, after all, not the Australian people or their government.
    I was told that to my face by a Liberal booth worker in 1975.

  136. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘what sustained us was our loyalty and support for each other’

    Combined with a deep desire to abandon said mates and show fillums in between hot meals.

  137. rickw

    My little Pressbutton church has been blessed with a tough nut. His wife, ditto.

    Same here, new faces almost every week, and they stay.

  138. stackja

    Geriatric Mayfly
    #3127888, posted on August 10, 2019 at 9:30 am
    Jerusalem… I feel a song coming on.

    Jerusalem

  139. thefrollickingmole

    aaaaand Numberwang turns up with his monomaniacal obsession dragged over from the other thread like a fetid seagull carcass dragged in by the dog.

    Fuck off back to the dead thread with your onanism you turgid old wanker.

  140. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    In fact Martin Luther’s discovery was Western Individualism

    Let’s say he did that. He wasn’t the first.

    How exactly did Aquinas per se not support (or actually oppress) individualism?

  141. Geriatric Mayfly

    windy.com shows the current air mass afflicting us coming straight off the Antarctic continent. Thank God there’s some heat hiding in the Southern Ocean to warm it on its way.

  142. Nob

    zyconoclast
    #3127872, posted on August 10, 2019 at 9:16 am
    I blame white supremacy

    Mexico City: Mexican police have found nine bodies hanging from a road bridge alongside a drug cartel banner threatening rivals.

    Get with the program.
    Mexicans in Mexico are White Supremacists.
    Mexicans in USA are Brown Victims.

  143. 1735099

    Mater.
    Get in here and repost your effort at 7.38 on the OOT.
    Brilliant.Mater

    Don’t bother, I’ll do it for you, together with my response –

    #3127764, posted on August 10, 2019 at 7:38 am
    Bob,
    Despite writing a book on your experiences, you can’t seem to determine whether you were 22 or 23 when you went to Vietnam. We’ve heard both versions on this blog.
    You can’t determine if you were deferred or not. We’ve heard both versions on this blog.
    You strenuously referenced an operations log which you claimed demonstrated how your superiors in Vietnam refused to evacuate a soldier, who subsequently died of heat exhaustion. When examined by an experienced operator and someone who is fluent in RATEL, that log showed nothing of the sort. You appeared not to have read it yourself prior to using it as a reference. I do hope your thesis is better researched.
    Your grasp of facts is bordering on your grasp of mathematics, even on a topic which you spent the last 50 years torturing yourself with.

    My response –
    You can’t read.
    Not my problem.

    You can’t determine if you were deferred or not. We’ve heard both versions on this blog.

    Again, you can’t tell the difference between active and passive tense. You also have no grasp of the NS Act. Temporary deferral (in my case 18 months) was automatic for someone in my situation. I turned 22 in training in Australia and 23 as a rifleman in 5 Platoon B Coy 7 RAR in SVN.

    You strenuously referenced an operations log which you claimed demonstrated how your superiors in Vietnam refused to evacuate a soldier, who subsequently died of heat exhaustion.

    The log is inconclusive because it lacks the relevant detail about decision making, although it clearly establishes the fact of the situation. Since then, I’ve retrieved my copy of “Contact, Wait Out”, and refer you to this account by a member of my platoon, present, as I was, when the incident occurred –

    We slowly proceed in Indian file through 6 platoon to the centre of the platoon and exchange one empty water bottle for a full one. As we approach the pile of full bottles, we can all see the fuss going on around “xxx”, and can hear the transmission from 6 platoon to either CHQ, or Battalion HQ), we are not sure which, but boy he is bloody ill, and by the grayish colour of his face looks like death warmed up, and after all we have been taught in our first aid lessons all about dehydration and the symptoms to lock for.

    p96
    And

    We have just been informed that xxx was lifted out to the Yank base Blackhorse, as we know it, just after first light this morning. However, he was dead on arrival, and as much as they tried to revive him, they couldn’t. Christ shit should hit the fan over this.

    p97
    Contact Wait Out – A Vietnam Diary – Bruce Ravenscroft.

    Now this accords with my memory, and my narrative in my book.
    So the facts are these –
    1. This soldier had been very ill for at least twenty four hours. (You’ll recall that I saw him in the middle of the day, but couldn’t remember whether the medivac request was that day, or the day after). Ravo’s account shows (flown out at “first light” next day) it was the day after.
    2. He died of heat exhaustion when he could have been saved by an immediate evacuation. Hindsight is wonderful, but would this digger still be alive today if common sense had prevailed?
    3. We had major contact a few days later in he same area, so the notion that a chopper evacuation would chase the VC away from the location was a false premise.
    The impact of this incident was severe on our morale. From here on in, we knew that our lives were less important than a body count.

  144. stackja

    Victoria’s weather chaos leaves trail of destruction across state

    The dangerous conditions which killed a woman and tore a family apart are easing, but Victoria’s cold weather is far from over. Snow has fallen in parts of the state as the temperature fell to freezing overnight lows with more rain and wind in store.
    Alanah Frost, Josh Fagan, Oliver Caffrey, Brianna Travers and Sophie Welsh, Herald Sun
    12 minutes ago

    Choppy seas have wreaked havoc along Melbourne’s coast with the Frankston Pier damaged by waves.

    And solar and wind energy zero?

  145. Mater

    But what sustained us was our loyalty and support for each other.

    Yeah, shooting over the enemy’s head really supported your mates. Mark Dapin records at least one reluctant Nasho doing so. He wouldn’t have been they only one.
    Stop talking on behalf of everyone, Bob. Your views on Vietnam and/or politics is not mainstream.

  146. thefrollickingmole

    Troll level grand master Flash sensei grasshopper level 9000…

    Donald Trump launches attack on ‘racist’ Hollywood
    The president has claimed that the film industry is doing ‘a terrible disservice’ by releasing racist movies without giving any examples

    Donald Trump has claimed that Hollywood is racist in a new attack on the entertainment industry.

    While speaking to press outside the White House on Friday, the president moved on from criticising big tech companies to criticising Hollywood. “Hollywood – I don’t call them the elites because I think the elites are people they go after, in many cases – but Hollywood is really terrible,” he said. “You talk about racist, Hollywood is racist. What they’re doing with the kind of movies they’re putting out, it’s actually very dangerous for our country. What Hollywood is doing is a tremendous disservice to our country.”

    While Trump offered up no examples, his comments came after Universal’s forthcoming satirical thriller The Hunt found itself caught in controversy this week. The film, starring Hilary Swank, imagines a vision of America that allows elites to hunt so-called “deplorables” for sport. After shootings in California, Texas and Ohio, the studio chose to temporarily pause its advertising campaign.

    The fallout has been covered in detail on Fox News, including a “special panel” assembled to discuss the film’s controversial premise. The pundit Mark Steyn referred to it as a “liberal Twitterstorm fantasy”.

    Trump said: “They treat conservatives, Republicans, totally different than they treat others.” He also claimed that “all of the heads of the biggest companies” would be coming to the White House to discuss their output with him.

    His comments also arrive after he launched an attack on the video game industry after last weekend’s shootings. He blamed “gruesome and grisly video games” for creating a “culture of violence”.

    The president’s long-running relationship with Hollywood has seen him cameoing in Home Alone and three softcore Playboy films. His star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame has been vandalised on a number of occasions.

  147. Knuckle Dragger

    They’ve appointed a new ‘judge’ to the NT court system.

    They were known, as they were everywhere else, as magistrates. That title clearly wasn’t imperious enough for them, so they collectively lobbied for a more important sounding name.

    They earn, in the NT at least, a shade under $400K. Base wage.

    The lesson is clear. Spend enough time with your snout in the trough, you get a bigger trough.

  148. Some History

    Anyone remember the TV series “Moonlighting” (Bruce Willis, Cybill Shepherd) from the late-1980s?
    Here’s the theme song by Al Jarreau

  149. Tel

    Lots of cartoons about the shooter this morning … not a single one of them mentioned that he was a Democrat, and an Elizabeth Warren supporter. I can’t imagine how that slipped their minds.

  150. 1735099

    Combined with a deep desire to abandon said mates and show fillums in between hot meals.

    Got your MID yet for operational service in the front bar at the Bellevue yet, old mate?
    Must have been tough…..

  151. Dr Faustus

    The Friends of Xi have had a wonderful time deconstructing Andrew Hastie’s commentary of ‘fixed strategic thinking that China is on the path to liberal democracy = Maginot Line v Blitzkrieg‘ as ‘Xi is literally Hitler‘. Such lèse-majesté instantly punished by the woke and progressive.

    Amazingly, Peter Hartcher (sort of) comes out in support of Hastie – if only because Hastie’s message chimes with what Ross Garnaut once told Harcher.

    Hastie’s awakening to Xi’s bid for total control of China – and beyond

    The unhelpful sort of woke?

  152. feelthebern

    The Dersh finally got his way.
    More Epstein records unveiled today.
    The Miami newspaper credited with uncovering the Epstein plea deal will now be sued by Epstein for defamation.
    Dersh is one of the greatest legal minds in the US.
    The Miami newspaper should never have tangled with him.

  153. 1735099

    Stop talking on behalf of everyone, Bob. Your views on Vietnam and/or politics is not mainstream.

    I’m speaking for myself.
    Nobody else posting here has the guts to do that.
    The PC Catallaxy line is the script, and must be followed.
    That’s what upsets you.
    Sorry bout that.

  154. Geriatric Mayfly

    Jerusalem… I feel a song coming on.
    Jerusalem

    Thanks stackja. Had just finished my rendition. Your version is infinitely better. Stirring stuff.

  155. Des Deskperson

    I came in late to last night’s episode of the ABC’s intelligent, mature and subtle drama, ‘The Heights’.

    Are the wise and compassionate Indigenous Elder dude who is always banging on – as they do – about blood and roots and earth, and the irascible but feisty and hard working with a heart of gold Irish-Australian publican lady having it off??

    I see that the savvy if overweight Indigenous lawyer lady has given up trying to climb the corporate ladder and wants to help the disadvantaged – I was disappointed that she didn’t say ‘make a difference’. Her first act as an SJW was to forensically skewer evil Big Bus – presumably TransPerth – for its persecution of the loveably feckless Irish dude over unpaid fares.

  156. egg_

    The elders of yesteryear were prescient in not allowing chicks anywhere near the priesthood.

    Charles Manson stated that women were competitive and that he was unique in running a virtually all female commune (read Dale Carnegie – made them all feel individually important).
    Today being the 50th anniversary of Helter Skelter in the US, where Manson took advantage of the hippy culture of the day.
    Not unlike today’s culture wars and search for meaning.
    Apparently, Manson didn’t set out to create a cult per se but merely used it as a fan base for Stardom – he wanted mass worship, Beatles style, hence his connections with Brian Wilson, Sharon Tate, et al; when that didn’t work out….

  157. Nick

    dover_beach
    #3127771, posted on August 10, 2019 at 7:48 am
    The problem currently in the Church are the effeminate clergy. Compare them with the men that Christ entrusted the keys and those that travelled the ends of the earth to spread the good news.

    There’s a fair bit of truth there. It’s little wonder that senior church figures remain mute on certain subjects, lest their own lisping, heavily cassocked self importance be seen as hypocrisy

  158. egg_

    Thanks for the tips.

    Samoyed grooming?

  159. Knuckle Dragger

    The Bellevue.

    Yes. One of those ‘quiet’ pubs you keep banging on about. Still, a more dangerous environment that hiding in a sandbagged room cuddling a projector.

    They didn’t give me three hot squares a day and a comfy stretcher there, if that’s what you mean.

  160. 1735099

    In response to the shooting, the Consulate General of Japan in Detroit issued a notice stating that no Asians had been injured and that “Japanese residents should be aware of the potential for gunfire incidents everywhere in the United States, a gun society, and continue to pay close attention to safety measures.

    (Wikipedia)

    Time DFAT did the same.

  161. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    There’s a fair bit of truth there. It’s little wonder that senior church figures remain mute on certain subjects, lest their own lisping, heavily cassocked self importance be seen as hypocrisy

    NAME THEM.

  162. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    I came in late to last night’s episode of the ABC’s intelligent, mature and subtle drama, ‘The Heights’.

    As subtle as a screaming Chanty Binx kicking a Covington Boy in the nuts.

  163. Tom

    As Tucker Carlson has gone fishing with his son, there’s nothing worth watching on TV this morning, so I’m going to chow down on two hours of bullshit from Roy and HG, who this week signed up to a year-round Saturday morning show on Macquarie Sports Radio.

  164. cuckoo

    Came across this lovely quote from the poet Alfred Tennyson’s memoirs:

    One of the most wonderful experiences I ever had was this. I had gone without meat for six weeks, living only on vegetables, and at the end of the time, when I came to eat a mutton-chop, I shall never forget the sensation. I never felt such joy in my blood. When I went to sleep, I dreamt that I saw the vines of the South, with huge Eschol branches, trailing over the glaciers of the North.

  165. P

    From Church Militant –
    People may write letters to Cdl. Pell at the following address:

    Cardinal George Pell
    Melbourne Assessment Prison
    317-353 Spencer St.
    West Melbourne. VIC 3003

  166. Cardimona

    A music video and a LEGO train journey – all in one…

  167. Nick

    My source is still saying that Clarkson is going to Carlton.

  168. MatrixTransform

    aaaaand Numberwang turns up

    jazz hands !!!

  169. Leigh Lowe

    Brilliant diversionary effort by Mater, drawing fire from the Spud and keeping him trapped on the Tuesday fred, while we all outflanked him and had a very enjoyable carbohydrate-free Saturday fred … while it lasted.

  170. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘MID for operational service’

    You didn’t ‘serve’ anyone or anything, Liability Bob.

    You were just there, cloaked in the bravery of others.

  171. Top Ender

    The anniversaries of the nuclear bombings always brings out accusatory articles. This one is a bit much:

    To the Allies, Germany was a fellow white power with which they had temporarily fallen out; but Japan was an enemy alien, a nation apart. That was why the architects of the Holocaust in Europe were never mentioned as candidates for a ‘humanitarian’ bombing such as Hiroshima. Instead, the atomic bomb was aimed solely at the Japanese. They were considered legitimate targets because the Western powers considered them to be a lower race; as president Truman put it in the letter quoted above, the Japanese were no better than ‘beasts’, and to be treated accordingly.

    The author might want to look at some statistics.

    POWs captured by the Germans had an excellent chance of survival:

    35% of POWs were dying – a grim figure compared to those captured by the Germans during the war, with 0.9% there losing their lives.

    Of 22,376 Australian prisoners of war captured by the Japanese, 8,031 died – 36% of those held.

    Another analysis arrives at nearly the same figure: “Of the 140,000 Americans held by the Japanese, 34 percent – 47,000 – would die in captivity.”

    Sources:
    Australian War Memorial. “General information about Australian prisoners of the Japanese.” https://www.awm.gov.au/articles/encyclopedia/pow/general_info Accessed June 2017.

    Sweeney, Major General Charles W. War’s End: an Eyewitness Account of America’s Last Atomic Mission. New York: Avon Books, 1997. (p. 142-3)

  172. Geriatric Mayfly

    Thanks P. Been on my mind for some time. Another day looming of being housebound by global warming. I may set to and attempt to bring Geo. some cheer. My kingdom for a stamp.

  173. cuckoo

    My closest church, which I avoid, is currently run by an Irishman who plays up the leprechaun blarney for all it’s worth and conducts his masses like open mike comedy night at an Irish pub. I’ve twice heard him preaching directly contrary to Church teaching on certain issues. Last time I sat through one of his masses (and it will be the last time) he made a rather plaintive plea for parisioners to (a) get to Mass early, and (b) not to exit the pews until he himself had left the Church. Quite correct, but that didn’t stop a stampede from the pews the moment he gave the dismissal. I almost felt sorry for him.

  174. Tel

    Imagine being so stupid you think you can “stop knife crime” by hassling people buying cutlery.

    If you search the Internet (so I’m told) you can find the plans to build a knife!

  175. Some History

    Brilliant diversionary effort by Mater, drawing fire from the Spud and keeping him trapped on the Tuesday fred, while we all outflanked him and had a very enjoyable carbohydrate-free Saturday fred … while it lasted.

    LOL Beautifully put.

  176. egg_

    don’t you think we all sound just a bit too tribal?

    The Hunter Gatherer’s maxim on the Dr Karl fora – referring to the Left, but same goes for the Right.

  177. Mother Lode

    Aside, of course, from her role as a muffin-top lezzo mass murderer.

    One of the yardsticks I always measure actors against is their readiness to play the villain – to allow audiences to associate them with someone they hate.

    Doesn’t make them better people, but gives an idea as to how serious they are about their craf – that it is not just about them.

  178. candy

    Lots of cartoons about the shooter this morning … not a single one of them mentioned that he was a Democrat, and an Elizabeth Warren supporter.

    I’m not sure what political side these killers support is important. It’s like Charles Manson – come from a crazy broken home, probably narcissistic borderline, schizo, socially isolated and bullied/rejected – the works – except the shooter hooks onto the Internet and then guns.
    The hippy/drug culture and breakdown of traditional families destroys people.

  179. Leigh Lowe

    Yeah, shooting over the enemy’s head really supported your mates. Mark Dapin records at least one reluctant Nasho doing so. He wouldn’t have been they only one.

    I did read that here recently.
    Two things occured to me.
    Firstly, were they the original virtue signallers? Got back to Oz, sniffed the wind, and thought painting themselves as pacifist saboteurs was more likely to get them a root?
    Or, secondly, did they really do it in situations where they thought there was no real danger?
    You can be sure they didn’t brag about it at the time in Vietnam, just as you can be sure that, if they were in immediate danger, they would be trying to take someone’s head off.

  180. Geriatric Mayfly

    If you search the Internet (so I’m told) you can find the plans to build a knife!

    But you must go for quality Tel. Type in ‘How Wustoff Knives are Made,’ and your dagger will be the envy of all.

  181. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The anniversaries of the nuclear bombings always brings out accusatory articles. This one is a bit much:

    Top Ender, I was always under the impression that any Japanese approaches regarding surrender were unofficial, promptly disavowed by the junta in Tokyo, and involved terms – retention of the Emperor, retention of some parts of their empire, no occupation of the Home Islands, the Japanese to supervise their own disarmament and Japanese war criminals to be tried in Japanese Courts? The American demand of “unconditional surrender” was based on their experiences of the Treaty of Versailles?

  182. Leigh Lowe

    There’s a fair bit of truth there. It’s little wonder that senior church figures remain mute on certain subjects, lest their own lisping, heavily cassocked self importance be seen as hypocrisy

    That reminds me.
    Is Peter Slipper still in the High Anglicans?

  183. Some History

    Jane Carosene.

    I know abortion reform in NSW is not done & dusted yet, but I do want to congratulate @GladysB & Jodi McKay for their support & note that this bill passed the lower house when, for the first time, the Premier & Leader of Opposition are women. Coincidence? I doubt it.

    https://twitter.com/JaneCaro/status/1159604225782865920?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

  184. C.L.

    And did anyone see the episode of Derry Girls, where Catholic girls all want a ‘full blown Protestant’ boyfriend? It figures.

    Yes, it figures that a reality TV show would script something absurd and likely to rile the public in order to generate publicity and viewers.

    As for bible-forger, Martin Luther, all you need to know about him is that he did all of his writing on the toilet. Scholars now believe his ceaseless fury was caused by lifelong chronic constipation.

  185. C.L.

    I … note that this bill passed the lower house when, for the first time, the Premier & Leader of Opposition are women. Coincidence? I doubt it.

    So do I.

  186. stackja

    Top Ender
    #3127935, posted on August 10, 2019 at 10:05 am

    And Australian nurses who survived ‘violation’ were starving.

    Angels of Mercy – Far East- Lynette Ramsay Silver

  187. Mark M

    So, when is the media investigating one of the biggest rate payer scams in Australian history?

    Councils charge rate payers excessive fees to recycle and then sent the waste offshore!

    Prime Minister Scott Morrison MP has announced plastic, glass and paper waste exports are to be banned amid Australia’s recycling crisis:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-09/coag-meeting-prime-minister-premiers-plastic-waste-export-ban/11399402

    highlight and mouse over the word ‘extortion’, choose ‘look up’ …

  188. Roger

    In fact Martin Luther’s discovery was Western Individualism – the basis of our culture.

    Mmm…if that were so and Luther could see where Western individualism has led he’d cut his right arm off rather than nail those Theses to the church door in Wittenberg.

    What Luther rediscovered was the individual conscience, and he discovered that following Jesus & Paul.

    Bruce, a good book to read about all this is Larry Seidentop, Inventing the Individual – The Origins of Western Liberalism. He doesn’t mention Luther once, interestingly.

  189. feelthebern

    AFR today is saying a CFMMEU official was arrested for taking a secret commission.
    If this was enforced, every bankers, unionist & politician would also be arrested.

  190. Top Ender

    Yeah, pretty much Zulu, but the Japanese cabinet never seriously considered the idea of surrender.

    Their basic strategy once they knew they would be defeated was to say to the Allies – “bring it on” so they could inflict so many casualties the Allies would stop invading and offer favourable peace terms.

  191. Knuckle Dragger

    Excellent.

    Bloke walks into Walmart in Springfield, Ohio wearing body armour and carrying a rifle. Staff hit the fire alarm to get everyone out.

    Before the bloke could start, a concealed-carrying dude and former firey draws down on him, at which point the prospective shooter – clearly not expecting resistance of any sort – throws the hands up and is sat down at gunpoint until the wallopers arrive.

    A lesson there for all of us, I would have thought.

  192. Knuckle Dragger

    Possibly Springfield, Missouri.

    The Simpsons had the same problem.

  193. C.L.

    He wasn’t a “firey,” KD.
    He was a fireman.

  194. egg_

    Like a clusterfvck accretion disc.

    The Leftoid cabal (victimhood totempole):
    Abo – Muz zo
    Qwerties
    Feminazis
    &c.

    Usually with competing interests.
    How will Generation Snowflake cope?
    Blame their parents?
    /Manson

  195. C.L.

    Actual header at the ABC Online main page:

    ‘Thou shalt not kill’ clashes with compassion as religions grapple with voluntary euthanasia

    ‘Thou shalt not kill’ clashes with compassion.

  196. yarpos

    There has been a glitch in the Matrix. Michael Moore has started making sense:

  197. Roger

    As for bible-forger, Martin Luther, all you need to know about him is that he did all of his writing on the toilet.

    Luther did most of his writing in the tower study of the Black Cloister in Wittenberg.

    There isn’t a toilet in it.

    Bible forger?

  198. Mother Lode

    The Dersh finally got his way.

    Good on him.

    The Dersh is pretty impressive and always worth listening too.

    Unless you knew from other sources you would not be able to guess his political allegiance, which is precisely why he is worth listening to.

  199. cohenite

    The lunatics are running the asylum.

  200. calli

    My kingdom for a stamp.

    Do it soon. You’ll soon be paying $1.10 for the privilege.

  201. C.L.

    I see nightclub mogul Justin Hemmes has testified that Sydney’s lockout laws made it impossible for him to book Madonna and Justin Bieber.

    Not the best anecdote to proffer if he wants the laws rescinded.

  202. C.L.

    Toilet where Luther strained to produce the Reformation.

    Wittenberg: German archaeologists have discovered the lavatory on which Martin Luther wrote the 95 theses that started the Protestant Reformation.

    Luther frequently alluded to the fact that he suffered from chronic constipation and spent much of his time in contemplation on the lavatory.

    Forger: Martin Luther Changed and/or Discounted 18 Books of the Bible.

  203. cohenite

    Black Ball

    #3127969, posted on August 10, 2019 at 10:41 am

    https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2019/08/09/good-guys-gun-fire-alarm-armed-citizen-might-stopped-potential-mass-shooting-missouri-walmart/

    Good work Dragger. Still early of course

    It’s well established that armed citizens do better than police:

    The average number of people killed in mass shootings when stopped by police is 14.29

    The average number of people killed in a mass shooting when stopped by a civilian is 2.33

  204. Tel

    Bloke walks into Walmart in Springfield, Ohio wearing body armour and carrying a rifle. Staff hit the fire alarm to get everyone out.

    I don’t disagree that he was being a Far Quit but open carry is legal in Ohio so I doubt there was anything illegal in walking around with a rifle. It might be against store policy or something like that.

  205. C.L.

    I like this bloke:

    $14m knockdown just to build a swimming pool.

    That’s his place on the left. He’s bulldozing the monstrosity on the right.
    Great call.
    Expensive, though. Yikes.

  206. stackja

    COMMAND DECISIONS
    Edited with Introductory Essay by
    Kent Roberts Greenfield

    Chapter 23
    The Decision To Use the Atomic Bomb
    by Louis Morton
    (See Chapter One for information on the author.)
    On 6 August 1945 the United States exploded an atomic bomb over Hiroshima and revealed to the world in one blinding flash the start of the atomic age. As the meaning of this explosion and the nature of the force unleashed became apparent, a chorus of voices rose in protest against the decision that opened the Pandora’s box of atomic warfare.

    The decision to use the atomic bomb was made by President Truman. There was never any doubt of that and despite the rising tide of criticism Mr. Truman took full responsibility for his action. Only recently succeeded to the Presidency after the death of Roosevelt and beset by a multitude of problems of enormous significance for the postwar world, Mr. Truman leaned heavily on the advice of his senior and most trusted advisers on the question of the bomb. But the final decision was his and his alone. [1]

    The justification for using the atomic bomb was that it ended the war, or at least ended it sooner and thereby saved countless American-and Japanese-lives. But had it? Had not Japan been defeated and was she not already on the verge of surrender? What circumstances, it was asked, justified the fateful decision that “blasted the web of history and, like the discovery of fire, severed past from present”? [2]

    The first authoritative explanation of how and why it was decided to use the bomb came in February 1947 from Henry L. Stimson, wartime Secretary of War and the man who more than any other was responsible for advising the President in this matter. [3] This explana-

    [1] The study that follows was published in substantially its present form in Foreign Affairs, Vol. XXV, No. 2 (January, 1957). It is reprinted by special permission from Foreign Affairs; copyright by Council on Foreign Relations, New York.
    [2] James Phinney Baxter, 3rd, Scientists Against Time (Boston: Little, Brown and Company, 1946), p. 419.
    [3] Henry L. Stimson, “The Decision To Use the Atomic Bomb,” Harper’s Magazine (February, 1947). The article is reproduced with additional comments in Henry L. Stimson and McGeorge Bundy, On Active Service in Peace and War (New York: Harper & Brothers, 1948), Chapter XIII, and in Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, Vol. III, No. 2 (February, 1947). Page 494

    tion did not answer all the questions or still the critics. During the years that have followed others have revealed their part in the decision and in the events shaping it. These explanations have not ended the controversy but they have brought to light additional facts bearing on the decision to use the bomb.

  207. egg_

    I came in late to last night’s episode of the ABC’s intelligent, mature and subtle drama, ‘The Heights’.

    It’s almost a parody of Good Times, with all the Abo dating going on.
    When’s the sequel to Mystery Road, with scantily clad hot young Abo chicks?
    Seems to be a new genre for Aunty.

  208. Tel

    Luther frequently alluded to the fact that he suffered from chronic constipation and spent much of his time in contemplation on the lavatory.

    God wanted it that way … what else could explain it?

  209. cohenite

    Apparently the shrillary/swamp effort to frame the Donald was based on a movie script written by the Fusion GPS cucks in 2007. Amazing, innit?

    http://videos.whatfinger.com/2019/08/09/the-spygate-lies-are-unraveling-everything-you-should-know/

  210. Knuckle Dragger

    According to the Sky weather chick, Horsham is now on Victoria’s south coast where Portland used to be.

    Good to know.

  211. Black Ball

    The average number of people killed in mass shootings when stopped by police is 14.29

    Particularly if they are law enforcement officers in Broward County

  212. C.L.

    Finally

    The mark of truth
    Adam Goodes ended a glittering AFL career at the centre of a divisive race row. Four years on, he’s ready to tell his side of the story.

    By PHILIPPA HAWKER

    The Weekend Australian

  213. Knuckle Dragger

    Rifle plus body armour, Tel.

    If that’s not ringing warning bells then nothing will.

  214. Muddy

    Welcome To Country Schools Edition
    An Introduction to our First Peoples for Young Australians
    By: Marcia Langton

    Written by one of Australia’s most prominent Indigenous voices, Welcome to Country is essential reading for every young Australian. The chapters cover prehistory, post-colonial history, language, kinship, knowledge, art, performance, storytelling, native title, the Stolen Generations, making a rightful place for First Australians and looking to the future for Indigenous Australia. This book is for the new Australian generations and works towards rectifying the wrongs of this country’s past. You will quickly appreciate how lucky we are to be the home of the world’s oldest continuing civilisation – which is both diverse and thriving in Australia today.

    Cover artwork New Roocruits by Archibald-finalist Blak Douglas.

    About the Author:
    Professor Marcia Langton AM PhD Macq U, BA (Hons) ANU, FASSA is one of Australia’s most important voices for Indigenous Australia. She first became an Indigenous rights activist as a student at the University of Queensland, before spending time in Papua New Guinea, Japan and North America learning about those countries’ peoples and cultures. On her return to Australia, Marcia Langton graduated in Anthropology at ANU.

    Since then, she has worked with the Central Land Council, the Cape York Land Council, and for the 1989 Royal Commission into Aboriginal deaths in custody. Professor Langton has received many accolades, including an Order of Australia. She has held the Foundation Chair of Australian Indigenous Studies at The University of Melbourne since February 2000. As an anthropologist and geographer, she has made a significant contribution to government and non-government policy as well as to Indigenous studies. Professor Langton has written several books, both academic and popular, including First Australians (MUP, 2009), co-authored with Rachel Perkins, which was written in conjunction with an SBS documentary by the same name.

    She is also regularly asked to comment on issues related to Indigenous rights and art. In 2016 she was honoured as a University of Melbourne Redmond Barry Distinguished Professor. The following year, Professor Marcia Langton was appointed as the first Associate Provost at the University of Melbourne.

    Industry Reviews:
    Australia is alive with the long history of the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, our cultures and our stories. My generation of Aboriginal people want young Australians to be taught more about our history and culture than we were. I have met very few Australians who learned anything in school about Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people. Many have told me that if they were taught anything at all, it was incorrect and often racist. In fact, many Australians think that the only ‘real’ Aboriginal people are those who live in the deserts. This idea is based on two centuries of racist views that were wrong and should have no place in modern Australia.’ – Professor Marcia Langton

  215. egg_

    The lunatics are running the asylum.

    The definition of woke?

  216. Tel

    Rifle plus body armour, Tel.

    If that’s not ringing warning bells then nothing will.

    So there’s now a law about “warning bells” … when was that debated?

    Really he was arrested because some people didn’t like the look of him. If that’s the way the law operates then we should write that down and make sure everyone agrees … or at very least vote on it.

  217. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Political leaders fear loss of Anglo-Celtic imprint: Pat Dodson

    Greg Brown
    Journalist
    @gregbrown_TheOz
    12:00AM August 10, 2019
    50 Comments

    Labor senator Pat Dodson has ­attacked politicians for failing to secure reconciliation, declaring the nation’s leaders are fearful of indigenous people because they did not want to lose the “Anglo-Celtic imprint on this nation”.

    The West Australian senator, who was to be indigenous ­affairs minister had Labor won office on May 18, said he “feared for the spirit of the country”, a repeat of a phrase he used in 1997 when he quit the Reconciliation Council.

    With Scott Morrison slapping down calls for an indigenous “voice to parliament”, Senator Dodson said there was a “lack of growth in the leaders of the ­nation who should know better”.

    “Why they fear First Nations peoples I don’t know,” Senator Dodson told The Good Life podcast, which is hosted by Labor MP Andrew Leigh.

    Senator Dodson, known as the “father of reconciliation”, said political leaders had failed to reconcile with indigenous people, despite doing so with nations Australia had gone to war with, such as Japan after World War II.

    “We’ve found ways to reconcile those relationships and build better relationships with those nations,” he said.

    “The fear of losing, I think, the quintessence of the Anglo-Celtic imprint on this nation is what makes these people afraid.

    “They can be friends with ­people outside of Australia, but when it comes into the internal quarrel, the original theft … and the need to own the truth and find a way forward, (they) constantly leave us short, and we’re obviously in the middle of that battle again.”

    He said the government’s ­rejection of the Uluru Statement from the Heart was part of a long history of political leaders failing to be “magnanimous towards First Nations peoples”, which was causing Aboriginal people to “lose heart” while also affecting their quality of life.

    “So this whole negative impact that happens to First Nations peoples (is) precisely because there’s no real reciprocation going on,” he said. “An agreement, a treaty, (is) the mature thing we should be doing, rather than ducking from that and pretending that it’s going to go away. It won’t go away. It will be there in some form when I’ve passed on.”

    He said it was wrong to “damage and undermine and belittle people (who have) come from such rich cultural roots”.

    “Australia has very little to celebrate in its own right, apart from having a democracy that’s sustained the test of time for 200 years. But there’s not much around that we have that we can take pride in,” he said. “We’ve got to get back to appreciating the other cultures of Australia, not just the Anglo Celtic structure.”

    From the Oz.

  218. Tel

    The average number of people killed in mass shootings when stopped by police is 14.29

    The average number of people killed in a mass shooting when stopped by a civilian is 2.33

    And the police in the USA shoot about 1000 people a year (presumably warning bells or something) which is more than all the well publicized mass shootings by civilians.

    If you want to add in all the non-publicized gangland shootings like Chicago and Detroit then the civilians are still ahead of the police, but not by so much.

  219. egg_

    An Introduction to our First Peoples for Young Australians
    By: Marcia Langton

    Marry Whitey, like she did?

    That would be the Negritos, Marcia?
    Were they tasty?

  220. Robert Mc

    You didn’t ‘serve’ anyone or anything, Liability Bob.

    You were just there, cloaked in the bravery of others.

    The Vietnam Veteran did, in fact, serve. And honorably.

    You, by comparison, seem not to have served. Anywhere. Unless you can prove otherwise, you are not entitled to question the bravery of one who has.

  221. Roger

    Wittenberg: German archaeologists have discovered the lavatory on which Martin Luther wrote the 95 theses that started the Protestant Reformation.

    That’s a myth, C.L..

    There was no toilet near Luther’s study, where he did his writing. The myth seems to have arisen when a biographer used Freudian psychology to analyse Luther in the 1950s and literally translated a colloqiual German expression Luther used to indicate he was suffering melancholia when he had his “breakthrough” understanding of Romans 3:28.

    As for the differences between the Protestant canon and the Catholic canon of scripture, in regard tot he New Testament they go back to the days of the early church when some writings were accepted into the canon because their authorship was well testified – the “homologoumena” – whilst others were treated with reservations because some were critical of them – the “antilogoumena”. The Protestants included the latter in the canon but did not draw doctrine directly from them but only from the homologoumena – the books universally accepted as canonical. As to the Old Testament canon received in the church the question basically is which H3brew canonical tradition is correct? That of the J3ws of Palestine or that of the Hellenistic J3ws of Alexandria? Protestants accept the former as canonical (the Tanakh – the Torah (law of Moses), the Nevi’im (the Prophets) and the Ketuvim (the writings), the same scriptures that Jesus knew and used) and regard the extra books included in the Alexandrian canon as apocryphal – worth reading (and they were included in most old Protestant translations but separate from the canonical books) but not authoritative.

    The matter of the canon was not really settled until the Council of Trent. Prior to that scholars and theologians held to different views. Luther sits within that discussion.

  222. Black Ball

    Marcia Langton and Pat Dodson are really quite evil people. Playing on the grievances of blacks rather than take action and getting a healthy income for doing so.

  223. John Constantine

    The strong winds combined with sodden soil has resulted in a number of isolated paddock trees blowing over in this weather event.

    Clumps of trees have biodiversity value, isolated lone ‘sentinels’ not so much.

    Riding around the lambing ewes this morning and looking at the windstrewn timber I did realise that I should take photos with my phone and store them in a file in the cloud, to comply with tree clearing regulations.

    Simply clearing up windfall timber is an act that proves inadequate enthusiasm for rewilding, and may be illegal if the stump exceeds the regulated height And width.

    Looking back I should have clearfelled the cropping country when GPS steering first came in.

    Every tree now a liability for prosecuting and a requirement for compliance paperwork.

  224. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘And why didn’t you protect anyone, Mr Citizen?’

    ‘Well, I saw him walk into a crowded place wearing body armour and carrying a rifle, but I thought “You know what? It’s a hot day. Maybe he wants an ice cream, or a piece of cheese.

    It wasn’t until he’d shot 15 people that it occurred to me he might be in breach of one of our local statutes, but by then I didn’t feel safe broaching the subject because the floor was so slippery with other people’s blood.'”

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