CPAC Day 3

Another great day. Serious coaching on planning and executing campaigns, not a non-left strong point. The good news is that all the presentations will be sent out for circulation to people who gave particulars on the spot and they can be passed on to others who were not there.

These are the tools, the checklists, the nuts and bolts of the machinery of building a movement to make an impact in the electorate.

Early days. The non-Left is only just starting to fight.

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47 Responses to CPAC Day 3

  1. Elderly White Man From Skipton

    Terrific (not) that so many are embracing this commercial franchise and marketing agency for the sock puppets of Putin. Since when do conservatives accept the intrusion of bogus Yank tent stunts and Pommie snake oil salesmen in our domestic affairs? The line up of losers and desperate attention-seekers tells you all you need to know.
    FFS, get involved locally. Not with this rubbish.

  2. Would have loved to have been at CPAC. But I do feel that conservatives are beginning to push back at last against substantial ground won by the left in the last twenty years at least.

    I am currently reading Ben Shapiro’s new book, “The Right Side of History. How Reason & Moral Purpose Made the West Great”. It seems astounding that a case has to be made for the role of Judaeo-Christian and classical Athenian traditions in achieving human progress of the modern world. But such is the determined undermining of our history by the left, that we desperately need the reassertion of why our standards of living and prosperity so far surpass that of our ancestors.

  3. Karabar

    Vicki
    For a more contemporary view of politics, may I suggest “Right Here, Right Now!” by Stephen Harper.

  4. Thanks Karabar – I will look it up.

  5. Tom

    Terrific (not) that so many are embracing this commercial franchise and marketing agency for the sock puppets of Putin.

    Marvellous laugh-out-loud moment, Skippy, you poor old thing.

    Crooked Hillary will be president any day now. Robert Mueller’s on the job. Trump’s going to jail. Just you wait and see.

    Bwahahahahaha!!!

  6. John A

    Vicki, yes I agree, a great read but sad that it is so necessary.

    However, another reflection of the loss of moral compass and philosophical underpinnings of Western Civilization caused by the rejection of the Bible as the prime source of moral and practical truth.

    Karabar, my Amazon Australia account says re Harper’s book taking pre-orders for a Sept 3rd 2019 release date. Any idea what gives?

  7. John A

    EWMFS, sad to see such an NIH argument.

    No, not National Institute of Health but rather “Not Invented Here.”

  8. Bosnich

    Skippy from Tipton …Farage May well be a ‘snake oil salesman’ but he has done a lot more than anyone else to get UK out of the evil empire that is the EU .Certainly more than a gobby prat like you.

  9. Dr Fred Lenin

    Did anyone else call turnbull a snake or worse?. We all knew he was a closetbalpnsnake but it took Farage to publicly call him out . Has he tried to refute his new name Cobra turnbull ? Joins the labor crew ,krazy krudd ,and tealeaf giliard ,along with Kreepy keating .

  10. Leo G

    John Paul Jones!

    It’s possible that the American seaman first used the famous “But I have not yet begun to fight!” during his attack on the English town of Whitehaven shortly after All Fools Day in 1778. The plan was to land his assault force and proceed along the harbor, setting fire to shipping and public buildings.
    Unfortunately, the crew noticed an alehouse in their path and decided to stop therein for a political action conference.

  11. Linden

    Good on him for saying that, it was long overdue.

  12. Elderly White Man From Skipton

    Bosnich: Farage made a lot of noise and then went missing completely when things got serious. He has done nothing at all to get Brexit done and is now actively do his best to frustrate an outcome. It is entirely proper that he sits on a podium with Mark Latham, another pissant attention seeker. It is not at all appropriate that anyone claiming to have conservative beliefs would take him seriously. Brexit is not a parlour game.

  13. Robby

    Farage appeared on Outsiders this morning – it was a great interview with the panel. As to the fact that he has been “MIA” the past few years, he had an explanation for that. He (mistakenly) trusted that, whoever won the UK election after the referendum, Brexit would be delivered, as both Corbin and May pledged to do so and he could finally bow out of politics. Earlier this year he saw that this wasn’t to be the case, mustered the troops, and won big in the EP elections. He believes that the best way to get Brexit done is to give the Conservatives a hell of a fright – interestingly, he is not sure Boris will be able to get the job done. I never realised that Farage has been agitating for Brexit for around 30 years. The electorate has finally caught up with him.

  14. Rafe Champion

    This weekend has the potential to be a game changer, there was so much to be learned and so many people there to learn.
    Congratulations to Kristine Keneally who provided about the only public announcement we got in advance, it precipitated a surge of late enrollments.
    Farage never went to water, he thought after 26 or more years of toil the game was won and he took a break. Now he is back firing on 16 cylinders.
    Apart from that I am too busy to engage with trolls.

  15. Iampeter

    Another great day. Serious coaching on planning and executing campaigns, not a non-left strong point.

    Probably should’ve spent your time working on learning something about politics, philosophy, history, thinking skills, etc.
    Maybe even coming up with some ideas that are an actual alternative to the left.
    To be frank, you so-called “non-left” have lots and lots of “not strong points.”

    Early days. The non-Left is only just starting to fight.

    Early days? Mate, the fight between individualism and collectivism, between reason and you religious mystics, has been THE struggle throughout all of human history.
    You’re just not on the side you think you’re on and have no idea how to even figure it out, or what’s going on.

  16. stackja

    Petering out wants collectivism? Worked in USSR, Red China, etc?

  17. Leo G

    Mate, the fight between individualism and collectivism, between reason and you religious mystics, has been THE struggle throughout all of human history.

    The collective individualist insight into mysteries transcending ordinary knowledge of human history.

  18. Roger

    Congratulations to Kristine Keneally who provided about the only public announcement we got in advance, it precipitated a surge of late enrollments.

    She’s always been a winner.

  19. Mother Lode

    Congratulations to Kristine Keneally who provided about the only public announcement we got in advance, it precipitated a surge of late enrollments.

    She worked tirelessly getting the Libs into power when she ran for re-election election as Premier of NSW.

    There was always a risk that people might have given her a fresh chance, but she made sure they saw that she was exactly the sort of Labor creature people had wanted (but been denied the chance) to kick out before.

  20. Muddy

    Rafe Champion
    #3128863, posted on August 11, 2019 at 6:29 pm

    This weekend has the potential to be a game changer

    I truly hope so, Rafe. However, there needs to be a substantial change in attitude on ‘this side’ of the fence. Our opponents have several decades head-start on us. I’ve suggested previously that the challenge might be envisioned through the prism of a counter-insurgency. That is: a structured, disciplined, co-ordinated approach. Simplistically:
    Inspiration + planning (strategy) + implementation/execution (tactics) = outcome.

    There is a legal fight, but there is no ‘fair’ fight until the victor decides what is fair.

  21. Bosnich

    Skippy from Tipton …. try reading the post at 6.02 pm from Robbie.You may learn something unless of course you are just trolling.

  22. Nob

    Devoting most of your time to political struggles is , by definition I would say, is a left-wing activity.

    And those parasites manage to get paid for it, and ensure that it’s you paying.

    In that sense, Yampeter is right (I think – if there’s anything substantial beneath the “I’m more right than you are” schtick)

    All you can do is try to minimise it. The institutions used to protect us, now they’ve been co-opted by the left.

    Tireless tit-for-tat institution stacking, forever, seems to be the best we have to look forward to.

  23. Herodotus

    The non-left should be deplatforming waste-of-space trolls like 1amp peter and troppo numero.
    I’ll believe they are fighting back when there’s no indulgence given.

  24. Iampeter

    The collective individualist insight into mysteries transcending ordinary knowledge of human history.

    The “collective individualist insight” eh?
    Super smert.

  25. Cassie of Sydney

    “Herodotus
    #3129069, posted on August 12, 2019 at 6:19 am
    The non-left should be deplatforming waste-of-space trolls like 1amp peter and troppo numero.
    I’ll believe they are fighting back when there’s no indulgence given.”

    Agree…and that was the consensus at CPAC amongst the crowd…for far too long we, the non-left, have indulged them, been nice to them, turned the other cheek to them…and where has it gotten us? The reason that progressives, the hard left and so on have gotten so far is that we have been too spineless in dealing with them. And yes, we could start with the Toowoomba serial shitter.

  26. mh

    Early days? Mate, the fight between individualism and collectivism, between reason and you religious mystics, has been THE struggle throughout all of human history.

    Stop pretending to be Australian.

  27. John Constantine

    The lessons from Hong Kong are enlightening.

    Tear gas grenades can be neutralised by putting orange traffic cones over the top of them, then pouring water down the hole in the top.

    Umbrellas are handy.

    Scarves and hoodies and capes, all worth stockpiling.

    Nothing stops military grade ammunition.

  28. John Constantine

    Laser pointers beat security cameras.

    Do powerful enough handheld lasers blind security cameras?.

    Do powerful enough handheld lasers serve to ground helicopter pilots and beat air dominance?.

  29. John Constantine

    Now the chicom secret police have been sold the concession to run melbournes security cameras, what should be the conservative response to this network being loaded up with face and gait recognition spyware?.

  30. Tel

    Tear gas grenades can be neutralised by putting orange traffic cones over the top of them, then pouring water down the hole in the top.

    I liked that French guy who turned up with a tennis racquet and simply returned serve.

  31. Iampeter

    It seems astounding that a case has to be made for the role of Judaeo-Christian and classical Athenian traditions in achieving human progress of the modern world.

    Because that’s a contradiction on multiple levels that political illiterates, like Shapiro, have to cling to in order to maintain their ill-conceived world view. He is very much on the WRONG side of history.
    Firstly there’s no just thing as “Judaeo-Christian” since Christianity is the source of anti-semitism as we know it.
    And the “Athenian tradition” of reason is opposed by the mysticism of Christianty and religion in general.

    These are show stopping contradictions that have destroyed the conservatice movement.

  32. Elderly White Man From Skipton

    Bosnich: Farage makes no effort to get Brexit done. He is a show pony who disappears when things get hard. In fact there is no better sign of that than is suggestion Johnson can’t get it done.
    Farage’s sole success is to split the Conservative Party and to create a divide in Britain. He is an imposter and a charlatan. If he has a position it is the so-called “hard Brexit”, which is nothing less than a failure to deliver anything at all and leave’s Britain’s trade with the Continent in roughly the same status as North Korea.

  33. Herodotus

    Look, Scary from Skipton, the EU is going to fail, and there are plenty of other countries for the UK to deal with while it implodes, then they can get back to trading with Europeans (and us) on a rational basis rather than shelling out billions for the Brussels Ponzi scheme.

  34. Nob

    Farage was and is a single-issue politician, a very successful one.
    Campaign against EU “ever-closer union” since Maastricht: check.
    Get UK referendum: check.
    Get successful Out Vote: check.
    Retire to sidelines but watch to see that Brexit is done.
    It’s in danger? Re-enter politics, push again: check.

    He doesn’t have a policy for running the country because that’s not what he’s about.

    I have no particular feelings for the guy . He’s probably a bit of a bore, would have to be, but he’s about the only politician anywhere that “does what it says on the tin”.

  35. Elderly White Man From Skipton

    Herodotus: suggest you check the UK trade data.
    Nob: Farage doesn’t care about Brexit. If he did, he would care about getting it done. Plainly, he doesn’t.

  36. Epictetus

    John A said: “another reflection of the loss of moral compass and philosophical underpinnings of Western Civilization caused by the rejection of the Bible as the prime source of moral and practical truth.” the philosophical underpinnings of our civilisation are from ancient Greece and Rome. The Bible is not a philosophical document; its ethical teachings are not based on reason but on an appeal to authority. That is why it contains many contradictions. It is also why it is possible to live a good life yet not be a Christian.

  37. Rafe Champion

    Devoting most of your time to political struggles is , by definition I would say, is a left-wing activity.

    All you can do is try to minimise it. The institutions used to protect us, now they’ve been co-opted by the left.

    Tireless tit-for-tat institution stacking, forever, seems to be the best we have to look forward to.

    Good point Nob, and not a happy situation, unlike the left we have lives outside politics.

    For the longer term me have to win the battle of ideas and change the game. Some of our best players in the game of ideas are unknown and unread – Popper and Barzun for example. Not even on the bench. They should run on and play 80 or 120 minutes. Bring them on!

    http://www.the-rathouse.com

  38. John Constantine

    Gutsy. In yarragrad, the likelihood of the States diversity vikpol teargassing lefties is now zero, but non-lefties better study up defence techniques.

  39. John Constantine

    Lacrosse gear and training versus Death Squads.

    Catch and return a few teargas grenades and they will shoot the bloke with the lacrosse gear first.

  40. mh

    Nob: Farage doesn’t care about Brexit. If he did, he would care about getting it done. Plainly, he doesn’t.

    Oh, FFS

  41. Tator

    John Constantine, wonder how Jai Alai gear would go in returning gas grenades.

  42. John Constantine

    At 190 mph, returning a gas grenade with Jai Alai gear would ramp it up to rubber bullets fairly fast.

  43. Iampeter

    Nob: Farage doesn’t care about Brexit. If he did, he would care about getting it done. Plainly, he doesn’t.

    Pretty much. He’s like a dog chasing cars – he wouldn’t know what to do if he caught one!
    The mindless chase gives him an opportunity to shake down hopeless conservatives though.

  44. Iampeter

    Good point Nob, and not a happy situation, unlike the left we have lives outside politics.

    Given the positions that most posters here hold, including yourself Rafe, I can’t imagine how you conclude that any of you are “unlike the left.”
    This is why these conferences are such a complete waste of time. You guys have wayyyyy bigger fish to fry than giving speeches to each other about anything.

    For the longer term me have to win the battle of ideas and change the game.

    That’s true, but your ideas are collectivist and therefore left wing, so what game are you trying to change and in what direction? Also, as a mystic, supporter of Christianity, you reject reason and to the extent that you do so, you reject even the means by which the right ideas can even be acquired let alone argued for.
    So what’s the plan here?

    Some of our best players in the game of ideas are unknown and unread – Popper and Barzun for example.

    Those are your examples? That makes as much sense as claiming Keynes is one of the “best players in the games of ideas” when it comes to economics.

    These are not minor quibbles or points of disagreement. These are show stopping gaps in understanding that would need to be resolved as a matter of urgency if your goal is to do anything other than obliviously help the left.

    If you are in any way interested in this subject, as opposed to merely being a poser, then you need to start here:
    Conservatism an Obituary and listen to an ACTUAL best player in the battle of ideas.

    This sums up the sorry state of conservatism in the 60’s. It’s nothing more than a rotting corpse today.

    Once you’ve digested this, then you need to decide whether you even agree with what’s being said.
    Because if you like conservatism the way it is then you are just a religious and politically illiterate member of the left wing and you should at least know it.

  45. mh

    Ayn Rand! 🤦‍♂️

    One trick pony Iampeter has absolutely nothing else to contribute. Sad.

  46. Muddy

    For the longer term me have to win the battle of ideas and change the game.

    Rafe, the very first hurdle to be overcome, a prerequisite for everything that can or will follow, is a change of attitude. To used the tired metaphor of ‘getting in the ring’: physically you can step between the ropes and onto the canvas, but if you are not present mentally, the greatest physical attributes will achieve little. Conservatism – if there is still such a thing – needs to achieve the existential nature of the threat. We need to – metaphorically, of course, and when the referee is not looking – be prepared to kick, bite, scratch, eye-gouge, and tear out a windpipe. There is ability (or capacity), and there is willingness. Both are necessary.

    All the planning and strategies will inevitably come to nought if they are not laid upon a foundation of utter desperation.

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