C.L. : Wobbly Worldview Entertainment

NSW Health Minister Brad Hazzard, the pro-abortion extremist who oversaw his state’s new Hitlerian abortion liberalisation, was ferociously beaten up in a tag-team smackdown this morning on 2UE. Like the WWE, the donnybrook was – at least morally – entirely fake. It started with allies Ray Hadley and Warren Mundine warming up the crowd with a discussion about an alleged secret deal between the Berejiklian government and the Greens to legalise all abortions in New South Wales. When Mundine left the ring, Brad Hazzard suddenly appeared. Having called in to take issue with Mundine’s analysis, he denied charges of a grubby arrangement and the arrogant disenfranchisement of Liberal Party members. Hadley had the minister on the defensive in short order, interrogating him on sex-selection abortions (which his new law permits). It was then that Mundine came back from the dressing room and joined Hadley in pummeling Hazzard. There followed an onslaught of mandible claws, camel clutches and reverse chinlocks.

But before you hail and praise Hadley and Mundine as the good guys, listen from 9.47 (second audio player). Hazzard tries to defend the legalised killing of “babies … um, foetuses” of the ‘wrong’ gender by claiming that medical experts advised him that some “genetic abnormalities” manifest late-term and may be gender-specific. In other words, to ban gender abortions might have the unintended consequence of curtailing a mother’s ‘right’ to kill her ‘abnormal’ baby. (Marvel at the new triage for sociopaths). That’s when Hadley and Mundine tripped over each other to insist that no-one is criticising the killing of ‘abnormal’ babies. “No-one’s arguing that point,” said Hadley. “No-one’s arguing about that … we support that,” Mundine added. “If there are abnormalities, then it’s between the doctor and the patient. We support that.” Hazzard can be heard saying – correctly – “we’re all on the same page, then.” Indeed they are.

Nobody intelligent should fall for this attempt by Hadley and Mundine to re-define the ‘conservative’ or even ‘Liberal’ position on abortion (and late-term abortion) as revolving exclusively around sex selection. Theirs is a phony defence of a phony redoubt. This sort of flaccid subjectivism is now the defining modus operandi of both the Liberal Party and the broader Australian conservative commentariat. It is the acceptance of leftism as culturally normative – with the vocation of all the rest to eke out a millimetre of pseudo decorum on the political spectrum, like harried aphids on a dying twig. Don’t fall for it. Take back the branch. Take back the tree.

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148 Responses to C.L. : Wobbly Worldview Entertainment

  1. may be gender-specific

    Hang on! Does this imply that in law there are only two genders?

  2. Rob MW

    Hang on! Does this imply that in law there are only two genders?

    There’s much to be said however hermaphrodites should at lease make three. 18c !!!

  3. Tintarella di Luna

    I think C.L. means 2GB — Thanks for this C.L. – I heard just snippet of what must’ve been this discussion but Hadley is persona non grata and is off my listening list forever over his attack on Tony Abbott for supporting Cardinal Pell. I can see my decision was the right way to go. What a trio of ghouls, just disgusting — like harried aphids on a dying twig. beautiful writing C.L. but too good for the dung beetles they actually are.

  4. Infidel Tiger

    How long until that evil and murderous witch berejyklian is challenged and deposed?

  5. Beachcomber

    It is the acceptance of leftism as culturally normative

    It is very depressing but we have to be realistic. The left have won! They have captured all of the institutions and the entire ruling class establishment is Green Marxist totalitarian. They can enforce these extreme open slather abortion laws with barely a murmur of protest from the lumpen-proles. What is happening now is consolidation of the Marxist totalitarian state, with ongoing removal of traditional Christian Western values and mores. We won’t be taking back the branch or the tree because there is no popular movement to do so. In a Marxist media vortex, no-one can hear you scream.

  6. stackja

    Tint -Hadley also assured us Philip Wilson was guilty. I won’t listen to the audio. I haven’t listened to Hadley since his tirades over the Wilson case.

  7. C.L.

    Thanks for the correction, Tinta.

    I urge people to listen to the audio. Really vicious stuff. And there were no goodies.
    All three adrift in their own nihilistic sludge. Only Dante could categorise the disputants.

  8. Tel

    I’m not freaking out over abortion, I strongly doubt that civilization as we know it will grind to a halt because of insufficient government involvement with the child bearing process. Any more than we are at serious risk from Global Warming, or running out of fuel, or lack of Aggregate Demand.

    Having a larger (and what’s worse ever-growing) government is more dangerous by orders of magnitude than mothers feeling the need to kill off their own families.

    That said … if you are going to have rules (and at times it’s nice to have an ordered, well regulated society) for crying in a bucket make them simple rules that everyone understands. The definition of “abnormal” is very subjective and vague, it’s been well proven that you can find a doctor willing to say pretty much anything, which is why our current abortion laws don’t prevent any abortions. Sex selection is not legal in China either, and the risks are greater if you get caught, but still everyone does it. The main reason that it isn’t a popular pastime in Western countries is that people feel bad about doing it and figure it’s their duty to love their own family regardless. Who knows, attitudes might change, but laws don’t cause attitudes to change.

  9. stackja

    IT – Mike Baird hung around after the greyhound debacle. Maybe Glad Bag will hope to too.

  10. JC

    Good post, CL. Keep it up. It also makes Stepford very jealous because you wrote much better than he does and smarter too. He hates that. 🙂

    Stepford, I know you’re reading this. Take a lesson on how to write and convey a decent logical set of ideas, you huge nancy. Stop going to the Guardian and other assorted non-entities for help with posting crap. Be original.

  11. 132andBush

    Watched Gattaca yesterday.
    How far till we get there?
    Not long to go by the feel of things.

  12. Botswana O'Hooligan

    Would it not be better to ban abortions altogether in normal circumstances and allow mother nature to choose what foetus will survive birth and what won’t without medical intervention to prolong that life?

  13. some “genetic abnormalities” manifest late-term and may be gender-specific.

    Really? what are these abnormalities, should have been the first question they asked.

    Sociopaths indeed

  14. Chris M

    They can enforce these extreme open slather abortion laws with barely a murmur of protest from the lumpen-proles.

    Isn’t protesting or even holding a poster now illegal within the execution zone? It’s complete.

    We have so few rights in AU. The right to pay taxes and fines.

    some “genetic abnormalities” manifest late-term and may be gender-specific.

    Feminism?

  15. Infidel Tiger

    There is nothing morally wrong with bombing abortion clinics or killing abortionists.

  16. Fat Tony

    Infidel Tiger
    #3129816, posted on August 12, 2019 at 9:14 pm
    There is nothing morally wrong with bombing abortion clinics or killing abortionists.

    Their rules, IT

  17. Infidel Tiger

    I don’t consider them human beings.

  18. Iampeter

    NSW Health Minister Brad Hazzard, the pro-abortion extremist who oversaw his state’s new Hitlerian abortion liberalisation

    Hitler was a religious conservative and he was anti-abortion, as were his Nazi’s.
    It is anti-abortionists that are “Hitlerian.”

    It is the acceptance of leftism as culturally normative

    Banning abortion is ALSO a leftist position as it would violate individual rights.

    Basically if you can force someone to carry to term then there’s nothing you couldn’t force someone to do.

    Also, gotta love religious kooks suddenly getting all “scientific” when it comes to the number of genders.

  19. Old Lefty

    Hitler and his henchmen were neo+pagans who despised Christianity – except for the denatured version produced by German ‘theology’.

  20. C.L.

    Hitler was a religious conservative and he was anti-abortion …

    Yes, he was anti-abortion. For Aryans.
    Like all modern leftists, however, Hitler – an exemplar of atheism – believed in abortion for non-whites, forced abortion, most notably of Slavs, the killing of handicapped children etc. See Nuremberg where Allied lawyers prosecuted ten leading Nazis for their party’s abortion policies – which were also held to be evidence the Nazi Party was a criminal organisation. The War Crimes Tribunal found that voluntary and forcible abortions were international crimes. Which means the WTC would prosecute the NSW Cabinet and its health minister.

  21. JC

    Hitler was a religious conservative and he was anti-abortion, as were his Nazi’s.

    Peter, you need to be sectioned and placed on anti-psychotic drugs. Like Presto.

  22. faceache

    How many ends can a wedge have? The downhill road began with the contraceptive pill. And if the Holy Roman Catholic Church becomes a shadow of its former self then Western Civilisation is doomed.

  23. Twostix

    Basically if you can force someone to carry to term then there’s nothing you couldn’t force someone to do.

    Lol the end result of libertarianism.

    If a mother lets her new born baby die because she doent want to feed it is that a crime?

    Under this lunatic reasoning the answer is no, infanticide via exposure is ok and nobody must say orherwise.

  24. Twostix

    It’s funny how this is defined as purely between the mother and the baby. As though she’s taking the scissors to the base of the neck herself.

    Legalising abortion means giving a person (always a deranged man) the right to violently kill hunan babies. Never any anlysis of that little chestnut. Like, how obviously only patholgical murderers will be interested in doing that as part of their job. What does that do to the mind of a person who does it.

    Then there are the insane mechanics of it, a nine moth along baby with one toe in the birth canal can be butcheeed like sheep legally but not one aecond later it’s a human.

    No aociety can rest on this sort of insanity.

  25. Biota

    On Australia’s Got Talent last night a young teenager danced in honour of her sister who has cerebral palsy as a result of oxygen deprivation late term. The love of that girl and her parents for their chronically disabled sibling/child was palpable. Would they prefer that she had been aborted?

  26. Old School Conservative

    stackja
    #3129726, posted on August 12, 2019 at 7:47 pm
    IT – Mike Baird hung around after the greyhound debacle. Maybe Glad Bag will hope to too.

    From The Australian 13/8/19:
    “Gladys Berejiklian has vowed to run again as NSW Premier in 2023, slapping down ministers keen for her job in the wake of a backlash over the passing of new abortion laws.”

    Nailed it, stackja.

  27. Iampeter

    Hitler and his henchmen were neo+pagans who despised Christianity – except for the denatured version produced by German ‘theology’.

    Hitler was a life long Christian and Nazi ideology was derived from Christian teaching, from it’s antisemitism to it’s mysticism and collectivism.
    Early in the movement the Nazi’s successful campaigned to win votes of German secularists, neo-Pagans and homosexuals, but the leaders of these groups were all exterminated during the Night of The Long Knives having served their purpose. No atheist would ever have political influence in the Nazi party after that night.
    The Catholics, Protestants and religious conservatives all overwhelmingly supported Hitler, in part because he was anti-homosexual and anti-abortion. Sound familiar?
    Hitler would go on to re-establish state religion in secular countries that he conquered in Europe.
    He would also create two new countries, Slovakia and Croatia, as Nazi satellite states and both were established as Christian theocracies with clergy at the head of their governments.

    The Christian churches have done a very good job white washing this history, but then they always have.
    Still, not knowing this stuff is equivalent to not knowing the holocaust happened.

  28. Iampeter

    If a mother lets her new born baby die because she doent want to feed it is that a crime?

    Yes that would be a crime. But that’s got nothing to do with abortion.

    This is a common line of “reasoning” from conservatives who don’t know anything about politics so start with the end position and then try to rationalize it via non-sequiturs, instead of arriving at their position logically via application of political theory.

    If you have an argument why abortion should be illegal then feel free to make one, but if you think abortion should be illegal because infanticide is illegal then you have no argument and are just grasping at straws.

  29. Iampeter

    Peter, you need to be sectioned and placed on anti-psychotic drugs. Like Presto.

    I’m not the one advocating reducing half the human population to the level of farm breeding stock, like a Nazi.

  30. Robber Baron

    A bully taxi driver and a fake conservative blackfella puttin’ on a show. The proles luv it.

    “We want more Ray!” they chant, “and that blackfella, well, he sounds alright to me. Yes, this abortion thing is a good thing.”

    Australia is a shithole because we let it happen.

  31. thefrollickingmole

    Not killing babies is now a nazi position.

    Black is white.
    We have always been at war with eastasia…

  32. Maybe those who favor abortion have an intuitive knowledge that the world would be better off without more of their kind.

  33. dover_beach

    Please don’t feed, IamMengele. It wasn’t for nothing that he earned this moniker.

  34. Percy Popinjay

    Iamashiteater massively beclowning himself (again).

    Must be a day ending in ‘y’.

  35. Tel

    Hitler was a religious conservative …

    He invented his own religion … with runes and a bunch of pagan stuff. His argument was this merely represented restoration of pre-Christian spirituality, but they just pieced together whatever seemed interesting to them at the time. No one knows whether Hitler believed it himself … or expected others to believe in it as a way of proving their dedication to the cult.

    Neville Chamberlain was a conservative, Hitler was a radical. These are words describing people’s position on social change … conservatives are reluctant to change; while radicals want rapid change.

    Of course Mao and Stalin were even more radical than Hitler.

  36. Iampeter

    Not killing babies is now a nazi position.

    No, banning abortion is a Nazi position and always has been.

    Please don’t feed, IamMengele. It wasn’t for nothing that he earned this moniker.

    LOL no. I earned that moniker because as always you have no idea what you’re talking about and so didn’t know that the Nazi’s were anti-abortion.
    You’re just beclowning yourself along with the rest here.

  37. dover_beach

    Excellent post, C.L. It’s instructive watching people fall over themselves decrying gender selection abortions because they ‘discriminate’ but they have no problem with the indiscriminate destruction of the child in utero.

  38. dover_beach

    LOL no. I earned that moniker because as always you have no idea what you’re talking about and so didn’t know that the Nazi’s were anti-abortion.

    That wasn’t the point of discussion on that occasion. But, on that point, C.L. above demonstrated that their position on abortion was utilitarian, not principled. They wanted healthy ‘Aryan’ stock so prevented the abortion of these, but forcibly killed non-‘Aryan’ children in utero as well as ‘Aryan’ children that were judged as life unworthy of life, which was replicated in their others eugenics programs involving sterilization and euthanasia.

  39. dover_beach

    “If there are abnormalities, then it’s between the doctor and the patient. We support that.” Hazzard can be heard saying – correctly – “we’re all on the same page, then.” Indeed they are.

    What a strange inversion of morality. We typically expect the presence of some disease to raise the duty of care owed to a human being but here, not only is it reduced, its life hangs on the whim of its mother in discussion with her doctor. Mengelian.

  40. John Constantine

    We know trolls are sifting through the Cat looking for anything they can put in a file as:

    “Far right hate speech death threats/domestic terrorism/ obsessive individuals”

    The State needs to arrest a wide diversity of individuals for domestic terrorism to look balanced.

    Should an abortion clinic be bombed in Australia, trolls monitoring the Cat will provide files to the State, claiming a pattern of hate speech and a level of online radicalisation and planning of domestic terrorism on this blog.

    Handing the ammunition for your own execution over to those working to end you is suicide.

  41. Infidel Tiger

    I stand by the comment.

    I find nothing wrong with the killing of abortionists.

    They are psychopaths and monsters.

  42. Iampeter

    That wasn’t the point of discussion on that occasion.

    What wasn’t the point of that discussion?
    It was a discussion about abortion, you wheeled out the lazy and uninformed Nazi comparison and started calling me Iamengel. This means that not only are you politically illiterate and don’t realize anti-abortion is a left wing position, but you are also historically illiterate and didn’t know Nazi’s were anti-abortion.
    It’s the usual conservative and cat-level beclownment.

    But, on that point, C.L. above demonstrated that their position on abortion was utilitarian, not principled.

    No one’s debating what type of leftist authoritiarian you are if you want to ban abortion, just that you are a leftist authoritarian if you want to ban abortion.
    Just like the Nazi’s were.

    And that calling those who are pro-choice “Nazi’s” makes no sense and just demonstrates the layers of total ignorance of both politics and history.

  43. Iampeter

    I stand by the comment.

    I find nothing wrong with the killing of abortionists.

    They are psychopaths and monsters.

    Wow.

    This is another one of those posts that is so totally beclowning, unhinged and self-contradictory that they can only be made by the super smert, exceptional individuals that post at the Cat.

  44. dover_beach

    Good to see that IamMengele is still on the same page as the Nazis when it comes to killing ‘life unworthy of life’. The moniker remains yours.

  45. Ivan Denisovich

    if you think abortion should be illegal because infanticide is illegal then you have no argument and are just grasping at straws.

    Infanticide endorsed:

    In his book Practical Ethics, Singer argues the case for selective infanticide. He deems it unfair that “At present parents can choose to keep or destroy their disabled offspring only if the disability happens to be detected during pregnancy. There is no logical basis for restricting parents’ choice to these particular disabilities. If disabled newborn infants were not regarded as having a right to life until, say, a week or a month after birth it would allow parents, in consultation with their doctors, to choose on the basis of far greater knowledge of the infant’s condition than is possible before birth.”

    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-15/young-case-against-peter-singer/4199120

  46. dover_beach

    IvanD, the pearl-clutching of IamMenegele re infanticide is all show. Singer is right in admitting that the principles and the rhetoric used to support abortion apply equally to infanticide.

  47. Ivan Denisovich

    Indeed, Dover.

  48. Iampeter

    Good to see that IamMengele is still on the same page as the Nazis when it comes to killing ‘life unworthy of life’. The moniker remains yours.

    Says the guy advocating for reducing half the population to the level of cattle and pretending the rest of this thread hasn’t happened so that his post makes any sense at all.

  49. Iampeter

    Ivan, so do you oppose infanticide? You haven’t said. I certainly oppose infanticide. I can even explain why it should be rightly illegal, but I’m curious to hear it from you. Also, why do you bring up infanticide in a thread about abortion?

    Also, I assume you oppose abortion? You haven’t said. If you do oppose it, can you explain why?

    In other words, if you have a position you’d like to state and make a supporting argument for, feel free to do so.

  50. Percy Popinjay

    why do you bring up infanticide in a thread about abortion?

    LOL. This is beyond parody.

  51. Ivan Denisovich

    Peter at 7.59 am:

    if you think abortion should be illegal because infanticide is illegal then you have no argument and are just grasping at straws.

    Peter at 12.59 pm:

    why do you bring up infanticide in a thread about abortion?

    LOL.

  52. Iampeter

    So what’s the answer?
    You can’t explain why you bring up infanticide in an abortion thread, oblivious to it being a non-sequitur.
    In any case, you can’t explain why you think infanticide should be illegal anyway.
    You also can’t explain why you think abortion should be illegal. Which I’m assuming is your position because you haven’t stated any position.

    This is discussing politics? Among adults?

    Beyond parody is right.

    *grabs more popcorn to enjoy the show of spergs*

  53. Ivan Denisovich

    LOL. Who first mentioned infanticide, you or me? I even referenced your comment.

  54. mh

    I wonder what IamBeta was like before he completed his Ayn Rand course.

    His parents must be disappointed.

  55. Buccaneer

    Who should we believe, self proclaimed adult 1amp or an actual historian?

    Hitler himself disdained Christianity, as Alan Bullock noted:

    In Hitler’s eyes, Christianity was a religion fit only for slaves; he detested its ethics in particular. Its teaching, he declared, was a rebellion against the natural law of selection by struggle and the survival of the fittest.

  56. Noddy

    mh … “his Ayn Rand course”…. Classic.

  57. Iampeter

    LOL. Who first mentioned infanticide, you or me? I even referenced your comment.

    What’s the LOL at?
    My comment that you referenced was a response to TwoStix who first mentioned infanticide. So?
    Why do you ask who first mentioned it?
    What point are you trying to make in these random posts?
    Just spit it out already or concede you have no point.

  58. Iampeter

    Who should we believe, self proclaimed adult 1amp or an actual historian?

    You should believe appeals to authority of course…that makes sense!

  59. Infidel Tiger

    I wonder what IamBeta was like before he completed his Ayn Rand course.

    Still a xunt, but not complete.

  60. Buccaneer

    In 1935, when Protestant pastors read a protest statement from the pulpits of Confessing churches, the Nazi authorities briefly arrested over 700 pastors and the Gestapo confiscated copies of Pius XI’s 1937 anti-Nazi papal encyclical Mit brennender Sorge from diocesan offices throughout Germany

  61. Buccaneer

    William Shirer wrote that the German people were not greatly aroused by the persecution of the churches by the Nazi government. The great majority were not moved to face death or imprisonment for the sake of freedom of worship, being too impressed by Hitler’s early foreign policy successes and the restoration of the German economy. Few paused to reflect “that under the leadership of Rosenberg, Bormann and Himmler, who were backed by Hitler, the Nazi regime intended to destroy Christianity in Germany, if it could, and substitute the old paganism of the early tribal Germanic gods and the new paganism of the Nazi extremists.”

  62. Buccaneer

    Adults don’t make shit up 1amp

  63. Iampeter

    Still a xunt, but not complete.

    Hey! You kiss your mother with that mouth?

    Anyway, shouldn’t you be advocating murder somewhere in order to argue against…um…murder…or something equally clear headed and totally not self-contradicting and moronic (and possibly illegal)?

    Seriously, I’m going to need a bookmark folder just for your retarded thread contributions alone pretty soon.

  64. Iampeter

    Adults don’t make shit up 1amp

    Adults know that appeals to authority are non-responsive and don’t proceed to shamefully double down when this has been pointed out to them.

  65. Infidel Tiger

    Baby murderer worried about language.

  66. Buccaneer

    Shamefully double down, you’ve described yourself to a tee. Couldn’t have said it better myself. Oh and adults rebut evidence with evidence not pull a childlike defence and then double down on it.

  67. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Says the guy advocating for reducing half the population to the level of cattle and pretending the rest of this thread hasn’t happened so that his post makes any sense at all.

    Fuck off, clown. You’re not a conservative, libertarian or a Randian.

    “Women should be able to abort up to and even during birth because of sexual assault, disagreeing with this equates to a belief in LITERAL ownership of wahmen” is a ridiculous left-wing meme.

    There is no way that Ayn Rand or Lenoard Peikoff would ever entertain this complete and utter bullshit.

    Just fuck off, Stalwart. Everyone sees through your patently absurd ROLCONning.

  68. Twostix

    Yes that would be a crime. But that’s got nothing to do with abortion.

    Lol.

    How is a mother choosing not to feed her day old baby baby any different from having a man put a pair of scissors through its partially born, crying head 48 hours beforehand?

  69. JC

    “Women should be able to abort up to and even during birth because of sexual assault, disagreeing with this equates to a belief in LITERAL ownership of wahmen” is a ridiculous left-wing meme.

    In Peter world, a woman suddenly realizes she was sexually assaulted during birth and not before.

    Medics! Peter needs your assistance.

  70. JC

    Peter:

    You need serious help. The internet is not for you.

  71. Twostix

    Speaking of nazis, it’s an extraordimary real world lesson in peoples ability to slowly over time accept monstrous positions.

    Because not but six years ago abortionists used to pretend to recoil in horror at late term abortion. Today they don’t even bother pretending to care. The baby is not human, and mark these words in ten years Iampeter will be here arguing new born babies aren’t human because they aren’t sentient and it’s slavery to expect a mother to feed what is a “parasite” against her will.

    They’re already there, mentally.

  72. Twostix

    Like I mentioned elsewhere: in anglo countries infanticide is now rarely pursued except in the most outrageous cases.

    Again and again we see the state not merely turn a blind eye but actively boost murederous mothers patently ridiculous stories.

    Like the one who “forgot” her children in the shower for nine hours and they somehow magically ended up dead.

    No charges.

    There is no point at which these people will stop. Indeed they are already past the birth canal.

  73. Empire 5:5

    It is the acceptance of leftism as culturally normative – with the vocation of all the rest to eke out a millimetre of pseudo decorum on the political spectrum, like harried aphids on a dying twig. Don’t fall for it. Take back the branch. Take back the tree.

    Well said. We must not accept the normalisation of deviancy.

  74. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Women can literally kill their own kids and expect, and a lot of people give them sympathy.

    George W Bush was demonised for executing murderous women, even mothers who killed their toddler children.

  75. Iampeter

    Frank, thanks for your usual high brown and totally well thought out contribution. You’re a REAL boy…er…I mean…a real classic liberal.

    JC, stop projecting please and thanks.

  76. Iampeter

    How is a mother choosing not to feed her day old baby baby any different from having a man put a pair of scissors through its partially born, crying head 48 hours beforehand?

    Then I guess you must think men can be women too. Or are things only observably and self-evidently completely different on certain issues and not others and that this is determined by a yet to be revealed mechanism you forgot to explain? I can’t wait to hear it!

    Also, I take it from the description of the procedure it’s only a certain type of late term abortion you oppose, not over 90% of the rest of abortions which do not involve scissors and heads?

    See, these are the kind of problems your NPC-level responses run into in the absence of any coherent, political argument from your end.

    This makes your certainty and smugness misplaced and unintentionally comical.

  77. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Yes it was a well thought out contribution.

    Now fuck off back to either your telephone booth or the ALP troll farm.

  78. Noddy

    As my wife,ex nurse,says … all these “people advocating full term abortions should be made to carry them out and deal with the clearing up afterwards.

  79. Empire 5:5

    The number killed in utero in this country each year would fill the MCG as adults. Every year. Let that sink in. We are way past having any rational debate about this.

    It is clearly established there are two camps:

    a) those who claim the unborn are unliving and whose rights in life are subservient to any choice of care or neglect on the part of the mother, or her legally appointed agent in the abortionist and that absolute legal protection with political and popular consensus in support thereof be enforced.

    b) those who accept the unborn are sentient creatures, to kill a human sentient creature is not without consequence for the unborn and mother, that endorsing the practice and affirming the legal right to kill for convenience is morally repugnant and that open debate on the issue must not be throttled.

    What is Planned Parenthood [and its global affiliates] really? Why do first world governments give them so much taxpayer money? Why doesn’t the fakestream report this?

  80. dover_beach

    Twostix, as I said above, pay no attention to IamMengele’s pearl-clutching re infanticide, he is already on the same page as Singer.

  81. Iampeter

    Yes it was a well thought out contribution.

    Now fuck off back to either your telephone booth or the ALP troll farm.

    Whatever you say, insane internet person.

    The number killed in utero in this country each year would fill the MCG as adults. Every year. Let that sink in. We are way past having any rational debate about this.

    You are not capable of having any rational debates on this which is why all you can do is resort to appeals to emotions like this.

  82. Buccaneer

    You are not capable of having any rational debates on this which is why all you can do is resort to appeals to emotions like this.

    Says the troll farm loser who’s most common contribution to this blog distils to accusing other contributors of not having a rational debate, yet gets called on posting bullshit earlier in this thread…

  83. Noddy

    Imarichardcranium …..”rational debates” ?..LOL.

  84. Iampeter

    Says the troll farm loser who’s most common contribution to this blog distils to accusing other contributors of not having a rational debate, yet gets called on posting bullshit earlier in this thread…

    No one called me on posting any bullshit. I’m the only one who hasn’t posted bullshit in this thread so far.
    It’s responses like this that make me think you MUST be trolling. You cannot possibly be this unaware.

    This is an anti-abortion thread where no one has even made an argument, nor knows how to make an argument, for why abortion should be illegal.

    You are politically illiterate leftist cretins, LARPing discussing politics on a right wing blog for some reason and projecting your deficiencies onto me because it doesn’t fool me and I’m rightly laughing at you clowns.

  85. stackja

    More petering out. Oh-hum!

  86. Empire 5:5

    You are not capable of having any rational debates on this which is why all you can do is resort to appeals to emotions like this.

    You reacted emotionally to a statement of fact. You are emotionally unstable.

  87. Old Lefty

    I agree entirely with everything CL says on the moral dimension of this. But Gladys’ actions also make no political sense. The Links have benefited at state and federal level from long-term Labor voters’ dissatisfaction with the social policies of the bourgeois Left and the Stalinist pervert thuggocracy in Victoria. Why then ambush the electronic the electorate by along them?

  88. Iampeter

    You reacted emotionally to a statement of fact. You are emotionally unstable.

    How did I react emotionally?
    I’m not the one trying to equate abortion to infanticide?

    Also, how much more talking are you fools prepared to do instead of conceding you have no arguments..?

  89. Fat Tony

    Iampeter

    Put together something on your world views and send it to Sinclair to publish.

    All I see is Waaa! Waaa! Waaa! – you are all leftist cretins.

    Give us something substantial instead.

  90. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    You are not capable of having any rational debates on this which is why all you can do is resort to appeals to emotions like this.

    Whatever you say, insane internet person.

  91. Buccaneer

    Oh no, there’s nothing to publish. 1amp just got triggered. Besides, insults are all it has.

  92. Iampeter

    Fat Tony, you need a right wing world view published on a right wing blog?
    Also, how does that address the fact that no one in an anti-abortion thread can make an argument for why abortion should be illegal?

    This is why you guys are so entertaining.

  93. mh

    Fat Tony
    #3131880, posted on August 14, 2019 at 9:00 pm
    Iampeter

    Put together something on your world views and send it to Sinclair to publish.

    FT, you can always do an Ayn Rand online course like Peter if you are that keen to know what’s in his deranged mind.

    But remember, these are just Rand’s philosophical musings. She didn’t even live that life herself, she joined her hubby on welfare.

  94. Iampeter

    You’re right mh. People should be turning to Alex Jones instead.
    No deranged mind there!

  95. Dan

    The number killed in utero in this country each year would fill the MCG as adults. Every year. Let that sink in. We are way past having any rational debate about this.

    I had a high sperm count before my vasectomy; so the number of sperm who die when I sleep with my wife would be approximately  enough to fill the MCG 30,000 times over annually. Maybe that should be illegal too (oh that’s right, at my religious school we were told it was indeed worse than murder).

  96. Empire 5:5

    I had a high sperm count before my vasectomy; so the number of sperm who die when I sleep with my wife would be approximately enough to fill the MCG 30,000 times over annually. Maybe that should be illegal too (oh that’s right, at my religious school we were told it was indeed worse than murder).

    Other than sharing intimate details about yourself, I have no idea what your point is. My statement of fact alluded to the otherwise born, not otherwise conceived.

  97. Dan

    Other than sharing intimate details about yourself, I have no idea what your point is. My statement of fact alluded to the otherwise born, not otherwise conceived.

    I’m happy to share because it’s the same thing that happens to 3 other billion people in the world. It’s hardly a unique situation. There are trillions of zygotes being discarded every single day as well as millions of embryos that naturally fail to develop.

    My point is twofold; I’m asking you what the precise moral difference is between a gamete not becoming an adult and a zygote not becoming an adult.

    And secondly what the precise moral difference is between my religious teacher reciting texts stating that men should be put to death for masturbating, as opposed to people here stating people should be put to death for performing abortions. I presume the commenters here don’t advocate the former so I don’t see how some of them sympathise with the latter.

  98. Fat Tony

    Iampeter
    So you got nothing?
    Fair enough.

  99. Iampeter

    Iampeter
    So you got nothing?
    Fair enough.

    What do you mean? My very first post in this thread #3129832 made my argument.
    It’s the others here and you who “got nothing” as you keep demonstrating with post after post not containing any arguments.

    Why should abortion be illegal? Let’s hear it or concede you have no clue.

  100. dover_beach

    Why should abortion be illegal?

    For the same reason murder is illegal, it involves the deliberate killing of an innocent human being.

  101. Fat Tony

    Iampeter
    Obviously you believe murdering babies is ok.

    However, I was more interested in a dissertation on your world view, your philosophy.
    Do you have one?
    Please share it with us.

  102. Twostix

    Lol that the abortionist “men” here are castrated.

  103. Iampeter

    For the same reason murder is illegal, it involves the deliberate killing of an innocent human being.

    If abortion is “killing of an innocent human being” then you must think “human beings” are just mindless tissue. In that case there’s no reason to oppose abortion.
    In fact, there’s no reason you would oppose ACTUAL infanticide and murder. You should support these things just like you support cutting the grass. Humans are a very low order life form according to you.

    The “abortion is murder” argument, far from being an argument against abortion, dehumanize actual human beings so completely, that it ends up being an argument in favor of actual murder.

    Also, if having an abortion is the “deliberate killing of an innocent human being” then I can only imagine what you must think of all the people that haven’t given away some blood, organs, money, food, shelter, anything else they can do without that could be saving somebody right now. By your standards EVERYONE is a murder.

    Also, since you believe that human beings can be forced to carry to term or be branded murderers, you view humans as a means to the ends of other human beings, which makes you a complete leftist no different to any communist or fascist in principle.

    And finally, if you ACTUALLY believed abortion is murder, you’d be calling the police quite a bit or at the very least fleeing the country to a place where this horrible holocaust isn’t happening and where people are living more in line with your values. Like Afghanistan or Syria for example.

    In other words, you know abortion is not murder but are lying anyway.

  104. Iampeter

    Iampeter
    Obviously you believe murdering babies is ok.

    No. I support the right to an abortion not murdering anyone. What you’re doing is called a non-sequitur.

    However, I was more interested in a dissertation on your world view, your philosophy.
    Do you have one?
    Please share it with us.

    Like I said, you got nothing. You have no idea why abortion should be illegal. Like most conservatives you just have random positions on random issues and your trying to rationalize it after the fact.

  105. Twostix

    Iampeter wants to pretend ots still 1960 and abortion is only legal until 10 weeks.
    Not that its 2019 and NSW just passed a law allowing babies to be killed a day before birth for any reason.

    Nobody butys it anymore dummy. We always knew the animating spirit is simply general anti-natalisism driven buy broken creeps.

    Now everyone knows.

  106. Twostix

    If abortion is “killing of an innocent human being” then you must think “human beings” are just mindless tissue. In that case there’s no reason to oppose abortion.

    Note what i said above about these goons being already mentally on board with infanticide. A baby a day before birth is “mindless tissue” which means a day after birth it is still “mindless tissue”.

    There is no end to this, in ten years Iampeter here will be arguimg the pros of post birth abortion.

    He already is there in his mind.

  107. Iampeter

    For the same reason murder is illegal, it involves the deliberate killing of an innocent human being.

    Ugh, I also forgot to ask the most important question in response to this:

    Why do you think the deliberate killing of an innocent human being is illegal?

  108. Iampeter

    Iampeter wants to pretend ots still 1960 and abortion is only legal until 10 weeks.

    TwoStix wants to pretend that anti-abortionists don’t want to ban ALL abortion. According to you it’s murder, right?

    Not that its 2019 and NSW just passed a law allowing babies to be killed a day before birth for any reason.

    No such law was passed because you don’t have “babies” “a day before birth.” Obviously.

    Note what i said above about these goons being already mentally on board with infanticide.

    As per my argument which you’re quoting, it’s you anti-abortionists that would be in favor of infanticide once you take your half-baked ideas to their logical conclusion.

    There is no end to this, in ten years Iampeter here will be arguimg the pros of post birth abortion.

    You can’t have abortion after birth anymore than you can have babies before birth, anymore than men can be women, etc.

    You have no arguments. Just word games and logical fallacies.

  109. Infidel Tiger

    If abortion is “killing of an innocent human being” then you must think “human beings” are just mindless tissue. In that case there’s no reason to oppose abortion.
    In fact, there’s no reason you would oppose ACTUAL infanticide and murder. You should support these things just like you support cutting the grass. Humans are a very low order life form according to you.

    The “abortion is murder” argument, far from being an argument against abortion, dehumanize actual human beings so completely, that it ends up being an argument in favor of actual murder.

    These may be the two stupidest paragraphs ever written.

    I say “may be” because I didn’t read any further.

  110. Infidel Tiger

    I was wrong. This is now the stupidest paragraph ever written.

    Also, if having an abortion is the “deliberate killing of an innocent human being” then I can only imagine what you must think of all the people that haven’t given away some blood, organs, money, food, shelter, anything else they can do without that could be saving somebody right now. By your standards EVERYONE is a murder.

  111. Buccaneer

    1amp, your comprehension skills weren’t good at school were they… For starters the whole thread distils to Ray Hadley’s position on abortion.

    However, you’ve made the observation that no one here has made a case for why abortion should be illegal. Which is bollocks.
    Tel says –

    The definition of “abnormal” is very subjective and vague, it’s been well proven that you can find a doctor willing to say pretty much anything, which is why our current abortion laws don’t prevent any abortions.

    Sex selection is not legal in China either, and the risks are greater if you get caught, but still everyone does it. The main reason that it isn’t a popular pastime in Western countries is that people feel bad about doing it and figure it’s their duty to love their own family regardless. Who knows, attitudes might change, but laws don’t cause attitudes to change.

    Twostix –

    Under this lunatic reasoning the answer is no, infanticide via exposure is ok and nobody must say orherwise.

    Legalising abortion means giving a person (always a deranged man) the right to violently kill hunan babies. Never any anlysis of that little chestnut. Like, how obviously only patholgical murderers will be interested in doing that as part of their job. What does that do to the mind of a person who does it.

    Then there are the insane mechanics of it, a nine moth along baby with one toe in the birth canal can be butcheeed like sheep legally but not one aecond later it’s a human.

    No aociety can rest on this sort of insanity.

    Dover –

    What a strange inversion of morality. We typically expect the presence of some disease to raise the duty of care owed to a human being but here, not only is it reduced, its life hangs on the whim of its mother in discussion with her doctor. Mengelian.

    Twostix –

    How is a mother choosing not to feed her day old baby baby any different from having a man put a pair of scissors through its partially born, crying head 48 hours beforehand?

    Empire –

    those who accept the unborn are sentient creatures, to kill a human sentient creature is not without consequence for the unborn and mother, that endorsing the practice and affirming the legal right to kill for convenience is morally repugnant and that open debate on the issue must not be throttled.

    Twostix –

    Because not but six years ago abortionists used to pretend to recoil in horror at late term abortion. Today they don’t even bother pretending to care. The baby is not human, and mark these words in ten years Iampeter will be here arguing new born babies aren’t human because they aren’t sentient and it’s slavery to expect a mother to feed what is a “parasite” against her will.

    Dover –

    For the same reason murder is illegal, it involves the deliberate killing of an innocent human being.

    Biota –

    On Australia’s Got Talent last night a young teenager danced in honour of her sister who has cerebral palsy as a result of oxygen deprivation late term. The love of that girl and her parents for their chronically disabled sibling/child was palpable. Would they prefer that she had been aborted?

    I feel cheered by the thought that few people who actually have children think this situation is as black and white as you do, as evidenced by the different comments here. Seeing a child on ultrasound at 12 weeks bring home how vulnerable and dependant an unborn child is and for most how truly lucky they are. Sadly, there are always people on the margins and the current laws don’t leave them behind as I personally know many mothers who have had an abortion in NSW.

    Although my personal opinion is that there is room for limited decimalisation prior to 20 weeks, there are few circumstances where it is valid afterwards and certainly not remotely close to term.

    Even more sadly, I write this knowing that you are a troll farm sock puppet and will try some other bollocks comments to degrade, evade or mislead in order to persist in your childish attempts to delegitimise this blog and it’s contributors. You probably still think

    Hitler was a life long Christian

    .

  112. Iampeter

    These may be the two stupidest paragraphs ever written.

    Yes you guys always say stuff like that. But you can’t demonstrate it.
    What makes it even more hilarious this time is that you’re trying to say this in a thread where you’ve already beclowned yourself completed by claiming you’d be fine with actual murder because you oppose murder. Doesn’t get any stupider than your own contributions. SMH.

    However, you’ve made the observation that no one here has made a case for why abortion should be illegal. Which is bollocks.

    None of those are cases for why abortion should be illegal and one of those quotes comes from AFTER I pointed out that none of you have made such a case.
    You don’t know how to make cases for why things should or should not be illegal because you don’t know anything about politics.
    You don’t even know why murder is illegal in the first place.

    You guys just have random positions on random issues that you’re trying to rationalize.

    Even more sadly, I write this knowing that you are a troll farm sock puppet and will try some other bollocks comments to degrade, evade or mislead in order to persist in your childish attempts to delegitimise this blog and it’s contributors.

    This is a description of you and many other posters here, not me.
    I always say, you’re ignorance of everything is only matched by your ability to project.

  113. dover_beach

    If abortion is “killing of an innocent human being” then you must think “human beings” are just mindless tissue.

    I see IamMengele wheeling out the ‘bunch o’cells’ canard. Of course, we you press them on just when this extraordinary ‘bunch of cells’ is transformed into a human being they become very evasive and hands are waved furiously.

  114. JC

    Peter has a point. Abortion should be legal. Just think of the positive side if his mother had the fucker hoovered. The site would be free of this imbecile and the mental asylum wouldn’t require to make preparations for his admission.

  115. Infidel Tiger

    iambeta, when does a human being become human in your scholarly opinion?

    When does the magic take place?

  116. Buccaneer

    1amp troll farm loser manages to insert his head up his own arse once again.
    posts this gem

    Not that its 2019 and NSW just passed a law allowing babies to be killed a day before birth for any reason.

    No such law was passed because you don’t have “babies” “a day before birth.” Obviously.

    Then accuses everyone else of playing word game, do you even read what you write?

    As 1amps testicles are only a collection of cells and clearly unnecessary tissues, maybe we could pass a hat around and help him pay to get them removed, no one would notice…

  117. Fat Tony

    Iampeter

    Your comprehension skills are pretty poor.
    I wasn’t talking about abortion
    I was asking if you could write an essay on your world view – your philosophy.

    Strangely enough, I really do want to know this, but all i get is the old Waa! Waa! Waa! – you are all leftist cretins .

    Step up and inform us.

  118. Iampeter

    I see IamMengele wheeling out the ‘bunch o’cells’ canard. Of course, we you press them on just when this extraordinary ‘bunch of cells’ is transformed into a human being they become very evasive and hands are waved furiously.

    And

    iambeta, when does a human being become human in your scholarly opinion?

    When does the magic take place?

    I love how from all the things I’ve said these are the immediate responses.
    Aside from the usual unhinged triggering, raging, evasion and projection that is.
    You guys really don’t know anything outside of the most predictable and stale NPC talking points do you?

    When a human being forms is not a big mystery it just doesn’t matter. The answer to that question is not going to change anything about whether something should be legal or not. And THAT’s my point.
    You don’t know how to determine whether something should be legal or illegal and why.
    You have no political ideology that you can apply consistently to every issue.

    You just have random positions on random issues for random reasons that you’re trying to rationalize.

    How many years have you spent reading and posting about politics to still be basically at the starting line?

  119. JC

    I was asking if you could write an essay on your world view – your philosophy.

    Good luck getting the lunatic to do that. I’ve asked him several times and skulks off like a coward. He wouldn’t dare.

  120. Iampeter

    Your comprehension skills are pretty poor.
    I wasn’t talking about abortion
    I was asking if you could write an essay on your world view – your philosophy.

    There’s nothing wrong with my comprehension skills.
    You are just evading the fact that you can’t make an argument for why abortion should be illegal and are too embarrassed to concede (as you should be).
    I’m not going to go round in this circle with you again.

  121. Iampeter

    JC please stop projecting thanks and please.

  122. JC

    Peter

    If there’s a parallel universe.. I’m a doctor and your mother came in asking to hoover you out, I’d do it right there and then and feel absolutely satisfied that I’ve accomplished something good and decent for that day. Just hope the parallel universe theory is bullshit.

  123. Buccaneer

    Aside from the usual unhinged triggering, raging, evasion and projection that is

    Troll farm sock puppet, you’ve posted here 28 times. More than 20% of the posts in this thread are you lacking coherency, misunderstanding others and ranting. It’s pretty clear who is triggered here.

  124. Tel

    Good luck getting the lunatic to do that. I’ve asked him several times and skulks off like a coward. He wouldn’t dare.

    He already wrote out his entire world view, the collected wisdom of a lifetime … you blinked and missed it.

  125. Infidel Tiger

    The good news is that iambeta will never reproduce.

    The bad news is that we will never get to see this lunatic in the birthing suite suddenly declare that a baby has magically formed.

  126. Iampeter

    More than 20% of the posts in this thread are you lacking coherency, misunderstanding others and ranting. It’s pretty clear who is triggered here.

    More projecting. And yes it IS pretty clear who is triggered LOL.

    The bad news is that we will never get to see this lunatic in the birthing suite suddenly declare that a baby has magically formed.

    Everybody knows how babies are formed. It’s not magical. It’s a well understood biological process.

    It’s just got nothing to do with how laws should be determined LOL.

    What a buncha clueless kooks.

  127. Fat Tony

    Iampeter
    #3132386, posted on August 15, 2019 at 3:07 pm
    Your comprehension skills are pretty poor.
    I wasn’t talking about abortion
    I was asking if you could write an essay on your world view – your philosophy.

    There’s nothing wrong with my comprehension skills.
    You are just evading the fact that you can’t make an argument for why abortion should be illegal and are too embarrassed to concede (as you should be).
    I’m not going to go round in this circle with you again.

    You truly are an evasive fuckwit you dissembling moron.
    I am NOT arguing with you about abortion. Can you understand that??

    I want your philosophy so we can all learn where we went wrong.
    But it’s pretty obvious that you have nothing – you just a talking head.

  128. Buccaneer

    Fat Tony, you’re wasting your time with 1amp. He’s a dim bulb. All insult, no intellect.

  129. dover_beach

    When a human being forms is not a big mystery it just doesn’t matter. The answer to that question is not going to change anything about whether something should be legal or not. And THAT’s my point.
    You don’t know how to determine whether something should be legal or illegal and why.
    You have no political ideology that you can apply consistently to every issue.

    Another arm-waving reply by IamMengele. Recall, I said that abortion should be illegal “For the same reason murder is illegal, [both] involve the deliberate killing of an innocent human being.” Now, if the status of the child in utero wasn’t in question, why would IamMengele retort by asserting that it was nothing more than “mindless tissue” rather than accepting the premise that it was indeed a human being but contesting another of the premises?

  130. dover_beach

    Everybody knows how babies are formed. It’s not magical. It’s a well understood biological process.

    Indeed, and they are never ‘mindless tissue’.

  131. Iampeter

    Your comprehension skills are pretty poor.
    I wasn’t talking about abortion
    I was asking if you could write an essay on your world view – your philosophy.

    Yes Fat Tony I know what you were doing. You can’t answer the question on abortion and because you’re a dishonest slimeball like the rest of the trailer trash that posts here, you’re trying to shift the discussion with pointless open ended questions.

  132. Iampeter

    Recall, I said that abortion should be illegal “For the same reason murder is illegal, [both] involve the deliberate killing of an innocent human being.”

    Another arm-waving reply by IamMengele.

    You brought up an irrelevant point and I waved it away.

    Recall, I said that abortion should be illegal “For the same reason murder is illegal, [both] involve the deliberate killing of an innocent human being.”

    I do recall and just like men can’t be women, abortion isn’t the “deliberate killing of an innocent human being.”
    I provided a long post explaining all the obvious holes in the obviously nonsensical argument of “abortion is murder.”
    I also asked why you think we make the deliberate killing of an innocent human being illegal in the first place, because to suggest abortion is murder is to suggest you don’t know why we have laws in the first place. You’re just throwing words like “murder” around without really knowing what they mean.
    Which is an indictment in and of itself.

    You ignored ALL of that and fell back on the usual NPC talking point of “but human being!”
    Well, that’s the argument of all socialists. Their humans beings therefore give them free stuff!

    Indeed, and they are never ‘mindless tissue’.

    Yes when they’re born and they become actual babies. This is as obvious as men not being women.

    This is the issue with your “arguments” in that aside from being politically illiterate they are self-evidently and observation-level false.

  133. Buccaneer

    1amp, you do realise that just because you proclaim someone else’s point invalid and your valid, that doesn’t actually make it so? Oh no, you clearly don’t.

    Once upon a time human understanding was somewhat less than it is today. Babies that didn’t go to full term usually died and we had no way to see a living fetus inside the womb. In todays enlightened times, babies routinely survive birth at 22 weeks and sometimes earlier. We can also see a living fetus inside the womb at 12 weeks.

    Only a naïve person who has never been to a maternity ward might think otherwise. Seeing these things with your own eyes makes it very difficult to wave away abortion as not killing a human being. It clearly on an observation level is a human being before birth.

    This is why this is a difficult issue, as mothers have rights too. However, there is a point where their responsibilities take precedent over there rights. You fail to understand this. That is not socialism or leftism.
    Interestingly, in motherhood circles, that responsibility now starts prior to conception with ensuring potential mothers have the right levels of folate.

  134. Iampeter

    1amp, you do realise that just because you proclaim someone else’s point invalid and your valid, that doesn’t actually make it so? Oh no, you clearly don’t.

    This is just more of the usual projection and describes most other posters here, including yourself.
    I’ll give Dover this: at least he is trying to make an argument.

    Only a naïve person who has never been to a maternity ward might think otherwise. Seeing these things with your own eyes makes it very difficult to wave away abortion as not killing a human being.

    OK, let’s pretend abortion IS killing human beings. Why do we make killing human beings illegal?
    Do we make it illegal in ALL contexts?

    However, there is a point where their responsibilities take precedent over there rights. You fail to understand this. That is not socialism or leftism.

    Rights aren’t constrained by “responsibilities.” So much so that you even have the right to be irresponsible. Rights don’t conflict with other rights, that’s the whole point if rights. If you’re finding that there’s a conflict, as you clearly are between mother and fetus, then one of your assumptions is wrong. In this case it’s the assumption that the fetus has rights. Which is a symptom of not having a clear grasp of what rights are to begin with and why they are even important.

  135. Buccaneer

    Rights aren’t constrained by “responsibilities.” So much so that you even have the right to be irresponsible.

    I challenge you to go to the nearest Police station, inform them at the desk that you’re going to do something irresponsible, then take your motor vehicle and drive at some pedestrians crossing the road as quickly as you can.

    You have a right to drive on the road, they have a right to cross it. Clearly according to you rights don’t conflict with other rights. What could possibly go wrong?

  136. Iampeter

    Buccaneer, so you don’t know why we make killing human beings illegal.
    As such you’re argument that abortion should be illegal because it’s “killing human beings” doesn’t stand even under it’s own “logic,” let alone being self-evidently and observably false.

    QED.

  137. Buccaneer

    As per usual, your supposed arguments distil to verballing someone else. Which is why so many posters find it temporarily entertaining to bait you and wear it as a badge of honour when you inevitably abuse them. I feel sorry for the people in your life that must suffer your presence.

  138. Iampeter

    How did I verbal or abuse you in that post #3133087?
    I’m the one that’s being constantly verballed and abused by you clueless hillbillies.
    Every post of yours starts with this projection.

    Which is why so many posters find it temporarily entertaining to bait you and wear it as a badge of honour when you inevitably abuse them. I feel sorry for the people in your life that must suffer your presence.

    Yea totally. You guys are just playing at politically illiterate leftists and all round stupidest people on the internet, who can’t string two thoughts together without beclowining yourselves. LOL!

    You got me! What a classic move!

    Stable geniuses you guys.

  139. dover_beach

    Yes when they’re born and they become actual babies….

    This is the issue with your “arguments” in that aside from being politically illiterate they are self-evidently and observation-level false.

    So the ‘magic happens’ as it passes out of the vagina. “Mindless tissue” before (even though it is a whole organism and not a mere part), and a human being after. You are a rank sophist, IamMengele.

  140. Iampeter

    “Mindless tissue” before (even though it is a whole organism and not a mere part), and a human being after.

    Yep. That’s basically what birth does.

    So the ‘magic happens’ as it passes out of the vagina.

    This has already been directly addressed:

    Everybody knows how babies are formed. It’s not magical. It’s a well understood biological process.
    It’s just got nothing to do with how laws should be determined LOL.

    That last sentence being the most important one for you to take note of.
    QED.

    You are a rank sophist, IamMengele.

    You’re the one pretending abortion is “murder.”

  141. dover_beach

    Yep. That’s basically what birth does.

    So how does the passage of the human organism outside of the womb create a human being?

  142. Buccaneer

    1amp, you’ve proved yourself a dim bulb so many times. Your comprehension is so poor you’re not even in control of whether or not you verbal someone.

    The post you refer to is classic verballing, you lay a sad verbal trap in the post before and when I don’t answer it, you claim I don’t understand it, then make a judgement unrelated to anything I’ve posted. Of course if I had answered it, you would have claimed my answer was incorrect and I’m, (insert abuse).

    Your tactics are not particularly clever, in your own mind your a legend. Well done, keep fooling yourself. Of course you have to have the last word on every thread, to be otherwise would damage your fragile self image.

  143. Iampeter

    Buccaneer you may just be even less intelligent than dover. I’ve learnt not to make definitive statements on these things at the cat as I keep discovering it can get worse LOL.

    But I look forward to your next post evading, verballing and projecting.

    You’re a real towering intellect HAHAHA

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