Tuesday Forum: August 13, 2019

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  1. egg_

    egg_
    #2664359, posted on March 19, 2018 at 12:15 am
    The truss member that failed appears to be the first one on the Northern side

    Truss member #11, ref. p.115:
    https://facilities.fiu.edu/projects/BT_904/MCM_FIGG_Proposal_for_FIU_Pedestrian_Bridge_9-30-2015.pdf

    (64 MB download)

  2. JC

    Lisa Millar replaces Virginia Trioli as Michael Rowland’s co-host on ABC News Breakfast

    Very very average looker unfortunately.

  3. egg_

    egg_
    #2664383, posted on March 19, 2018 at 1:13 am
    The ‘stay cables’ are 16″ dia. round pipe

    It only gets worse for Grigs.

  4. Black Ball

    Afternoon all.
    Ed Gannon in today’s Hun is worth reading. Details the exodus of young people heading to the big smoke for whatever reason. Which means that 11 shires in western Victoria will have a downturn in population. Melbourne of course will have a huge increase. This why many doctors are reluctant to head bush?
    As an aside, I did like Gannon’s line suggesting that Nhill will be part of Melbourne’s outer suburban area such will the sprawl be.

  5. Speedbox

    notafan
    #3132356, posted on August 15, 2019 at 2:32 pm

    Maybe. In fact, Zyco’s article would tend to support my personal observations that the offending reports are written by only ‘a few’ rather than by all. Most are well written with logical and evidence based conclusions, but there are those that are more akin to the writings of a Year 9 student and not someone who had achieved their Masters.

    If those individuals achieved their academic credentials via cheating, they should be aware that employers may have a very low tolerance of employees who struggle to put two coherent sentences together.

  6. P

    Today is The Feast of the Assumption –
    Stained glass window of the Assumption inside St Mary’s Cathedral Sydney

    Zyconoclast #3132295, posted on August 15, 2019 at 1:30 pm

    Too bad they promote satanism and degeneracy.

    The Devil & the Diabolic – Venerable Fulton J Sheen

  7. egg_

    Steve trickler.
    #2664199, posted on March 18, 2018 at 7:07 pm

    Hypothetical.

    Sydney Harbour Bridge collapses overnight.

    One bridge, one vital piece of infrastructure fails. Chaos ensues, no doubt about it.

    Sydney would be rooted for how long?

    If the Sydney Harbour Bridge were to fail, we would be inconvenienced.

    Multiple suicide threats have help up Sydney traffic for hours costing billions in lost enterprise and business has threatened suing the State Govt.
    Welcome to our third world sh1thole infastructure.

    /Chattering classes

  8. egg_

    The scientist thinks his ideas describe the universe better than existing models, without resorting to “dark matter”.

    When 99% of a variable is “dark”, you know you’ve fvcked up.

  9. Black Ball

    Another thing, weren’t teachers many moons ago told by the powers that be where to teach? Just say there was a shortage in Kerang, young teachers were told to go there, with financial incentive? Does this apply also to doctors?

  10. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Ms Dunn’s Instagram account shows she had recently travelled to Sri Lanka and the USA on a months-long trip with friends.
    Videos showed her celebrating New Year’s Eve in Sri Lanka, before attending the popular music festival Coachella in April.

    I think this shows she was a pretty normal young woman and I still feel sorry for her family. At twenty-one, I’d believe she was new to this. I’ve no idea where or why she was drawn to earn cash by going on the game, but it was probably a sideline, like Marie and Rita, my New Zealander friends from years ago, away from home for the first time. It’s not all that unusual. They start off doing ‘escort’ work. Subject to influence, was what I said, and that was probably what happened in this girl’s case. A mistake, and she paid dearly for it.

  11. 1735099

    Most of my doctors appear the have autism and are some of the worst communicators I have ever experienced, but they do a hell of a job.

    My brother who is probably on the spectrum, is a very successful GP.
    Being a little bit Aspergers actually helps, because (broadly generalising) , it helps with diagnosis which requires focus, persistence, pure assessments based on the information provided and the capacity to recall fine details that others miss.
    It reminds me of the Doc Martin series, which could be based on a real GP. Certainly, when I was a kid, we had a GP who grunted, rather than spoke, but he was the best family doctor I’ve ever known.

  12. JC

    “The Mocker” at the Oz does make up for all the Oz’s faults.

    She is our lady with the lamp and may her light shineth ever so bright in exposing human rights abuses. Now that illumination will be amplified a hundredfold across the world. Naturally I speak of emeritus professor Gillian Triggs, former president of the Australian Human Rights Commission, and soon to be the United Nations Assistant High Commissioner for Protection as announced this week.

    Describing her new role as a “huge job with massive implications,” Triggs spoke of the “71 million displaced people and refugees around the world”. She added, however, this job is “largely diplomatic in function”, which presumably explains why she will be based in Geneva, Switzerland, well away from the arse end of the world and the displaced people in question. For those of you who have not been to Geneva, let’s just say she will be unlikely to rub shoulders there with the rubes of Koo Wee Rup.

    Now I know Australians think we lead the world in appointing human rights luminaries to lucrative taxpayer-funded positions, but we are talking Top Gun school for tribunes here, the best of the best. Unlike her time at the HRC, she will not have to suffer the indignity of answering to elected representatives on Senate committees. Nor is it likely impertinent journalists will continue to accuse her of incompetence, untruthfulness, and bias.

  13. Mater

    For once, I agree with you, Bob.

  14. JC

    LOL

    As ever, her pronouncements are full of confidence. “Most refugees overwhelmingly want to go home; one task will be finding and helping their safe transit passage back to their homes and villages,” said Triggs this week. “They want to return home, but safely, and that’s the key thing.” That was news to me. But if she really believes this is the case and that Afghan, Sudanese and Sri Lankan asylum seekers are busting to get back to their country of origin, why was she so opposed to the reintroduction of Temporary Protection Visas during her time at the HRC?

    Triggs must have missed media reports of hundreds of asylum seekers demonstrating on Monday outside the Home Affairs offices in Sydney, all of whom were demanding permanent visas and the end of TPVs. Among their number was Iraqi refugee Ali Nayyef. “We are part of this country,” he insisted. Far be it from me to question a soon-to-be UN Grand Poobah, but it doesn’t sound like Ali or any of his fellow protesters “overwhelmingly” want to go back to their old countries.

    As is typical with human rights advocates, Triggs still obstinately denies the success of Australia’s border protection policies. In 2017, she stated there was “not a scintilla [of] evidence” behind the claim that indefinite detention stopped unlawful vessels or saved lives at sea. The former speaks for itself; as for the latter, there is no better example than the absence of numerous floating bodies off Christmas Island.

  15. notafan

    It is not ‘normal’ to be a sex worker.

    Not something I would like my daughters doing, under any circumstance.

    Can’t speak for others, naturally,

    oh and she was 24.

  16. feelthebern

    All sex workers should be registered.
    They are some of the most vulnerable in society.
    Some level of registration & check-in’s would increase the level of protection.

  17. Sinclair Davidson

    Gentlepeople – I see some moral judgement being directed at the victim of yesterdays attack in Sydney.

    Irrespective of who she was, and what she was up to, at the time she was murdered it is really irrelevant. The murder of a fellow human being is a tragedy.

  18. JC

    All sex workers should be registered.

    They are! It’s called a marriage certificate. 🙂

  19. notafan

    Legal sex workers who operate of of licensed brothers and outcall services are pretty well protected, always take a driver etc

    those who chose to operate outside the licenced system take their lives in their hands, there would be a million and one valid reasons why they would resist registration.

    I doubt that will ever change

  20. johanna

    I’ve no idea where or why she was drawn to earn cash by going on the game, but it was probably a sideline,

    What rot, Lizzie, a vain attempt to retrieve after your stupid comment last night about how she was a pathetic victim driven to whoring by necessity.

    Let’s see – she was in Sri Lanka for New Year and at Coachella in the US in April, as part of her months long overseas holiday. The cost of travelling and living for those four months would be many thousands of dollars.

    Some sideline!

  21. JC

    You know, I really can understand why people are beginning to agitate against tourism. Clearly it’s not the same as touring Venice or Madrid, but just take a fucking look at these imbeciles going up Everest.

    https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/e9f63a5cfeeea676cd4d1b8860e82dc0

  22. Mark from Melbourne

    On Epstein, I really do now kinda suspect that something is amiss….

    An autopsy of convicted pe do phile and alleged sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein reportedly found that the wealthy financier had multiple broken bones in his neck which deepens the speculation surrounding his death last Saturday.

    The New York Post reported on Monday that Epstein “was found hanging in his lower Manhattan jail cell with a bedsheet wrapped around his neck and secured to the top of a bunk bed” and “apparently killed himself by kneeling toward the floor and strangling himself.”

    All the usual unnamed sources of course, but if he strangled himself from a bunk bed, how in God’s Green Earth does he break multiple bones doing it. It’s not as if he leapt from a great height.

    The story also notes that his lawyer reported to the jail authorities that his previous cellmate was responsible for the previous “attempted suicide”, which was why (a) he had no cellmate and (b) was off suicide watch.

  23. Arky

    The murder of a fellow human being is a tragedy.

    ..
    Unless they are libertarian or drive a commodore.

  24. Old Lefty

    The ABC is even worse than Johanna says. The JJJ audience were recently treated to taxpayer funded advice from the Scarlet Alliance on how to book a s3x worker.

    Mind you, a bit over a year ago Greg Hunt ordered an inquiry after it turned out that his department had funded a gay men’s so-called health group to provide coaching in seduction techniques and pickup lines (‘the benefits of having a daddy’s) to p3derasts.

    There has been no more in the media, and never was anything on the ABC or Fairfax, so I assume that a typical Sir Humphrey inquiry has kicked the matter into touch.

  25. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    It was cruel watching Richo with Jones on Sky last night.
    Jones carried the whole show with Richo looking and acting like Bernie Lomax, post heroin overdose.
    Surely someone with a sense of decency will get Richo off the airwaves and into care.

    Richo is declining in health and mind, and it shows. It was particularly bad last night. He’s become very slow on the uptake, not incapable but extremely slow, and that doesn’t sit at all well with Jones’ rapid fire leaps around the daily news. Agree that he should look towards a graceful retirement very soon on grounds of poor health and go out with a form of acclamation rather than embarrass himself and the viewers if this continues.

  26. JC

    All the usual unnamed sources of course, but if he strangled himself from a bunk bed, how in God’s Green Earth does he break multiple bones doing it. It’s not as if he leapt from a great height.

    But isn’t that exactly how one would hang to death. I thought the neck bones break and you’re left dangling unable to breathe. I don’t think you need a great height as the weight of the body would do most of it.

  27. Black Ball
    #3132397, posted on August 15, 2019 at 3:15 pm

    While the taxpayer is funding their existence (e.g. medicare), GPs, specialists should go where they a told. period, full stop

  28. Old Lefty

    Exactly, Sinclair. What happened to her was abhorrent and inexcusable.

    It’s the politically correct promotion of so-called s3x work as a job like any other that deserves condemnation. If anyone doubts that, just ask any clinical psychologist who has had to pick up the pieces.

  29. johanna

    Oh, and Sinc, I have not commented on her morals, only on her judgement (bad) and the appalling coverage of her lifestyle which might mislead young women, with awful consequences up to and including murder.

    It may be that this kind of propaganda caused her to misjudge the risks of how she earned the quick money.

    Having lived opposite the El Alamein Fountain in Kings Cross for some years, I got to know several working girls, and believe me, their lot is not one you would want for anyone you cared about.

  30. Unless they are libertarian or drive a commodore.

    Or barrack for Collingwood.

  31. Speedbox

    Black Ball
    #3132397, posted on August 15, 2019 at 3:15 pm

    You probably remember that under the Gillard Govt, teachers who excelled were to be paid a $10,000 bonus. The scheme was quietly dropped (like the cash for clunkers etc) but IIRC, not a single bonus was ever paid.

  32. Mark from Melbourne

    But isn’t that exactly how one would hang to death. I thought the neck bones break and you’re left dangling unable to breathe. I don’t think you need a great height as the weight of the body would do most of it.

    Yes, JC, but from a *bunk bed*? You’d surely not get enough momentum (says the bloke who ditched sciency stuff after Year 10!) to break much of anything?

    And to actually kill yourself in that fashion you would have to resist the overwhelming temptation to put your feet on the floor whilst you expired.

    It seems on its face incredibly unlikely. But if plausibility is all you’re looking for, I guess it would do just fine.

    Again, not yet convinced, but geez.

  33. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The cost of travelling and living for those four months would be many thousands of dollars.

    I have no idea how she funded this, nor did I know she had taken these trips when I wrote the comment. Even given that, some young girls do take trips that they have legitimately earned and saved for. She was young, travelling, and was ‘new’ it was claimed to what she was killed doing. My friends would never have taken in some bloke off the streets, btw, they worked for an ‘escort’ agency for their pin money, well-organized, and made private arrangements with contacts later. As noted above by others, what she was doing was so dangerous that it suggested to me she was rather desperate. That’s all. None of us really know the back story.

  34. notafan

    Isn’t that how both Michael Hutchinson and David Carradine killed themselves?

  35. JC

    Mark

    We should ask someone here to try the experiment and later on get someone to let us know if it works.

    Where’s Stack? Hey Stack!…….

  36. C.L.

    For obvious reasons, Christians are reluctant to judge or criticise prostitutes. Those with a “heart of gold” have entered into idiom, as have the sisterly triers of the “best little whorehouse in Texas” variety. Women in harrowing material circumstances should not be judged by anyone. But we have to be realistic; we have to acknowledge that in the lavishly rich West, prostitutes are by and large cynical exploiters of weakness themselves rather than pitiable victims. They prey on lonely, desperate, cheating, curious, ill-disciplined, straying or stupid men … for money. Miss Dunn was no worse than me, morally – and, in God’s eyes (for all I know), she may be outright better than me. But she clearly had the drive, the youth, the healthiness, the IQ and the looks to make a living doing something else. All of this has nothing to do with the sacredness of her own life, which was violated by a brutal animal. She didn’t “ask for it” but, at the same time, young women should be told that working as a prostitute is more likely to end in your murder than working (at 30 bucks an hour) for AAMI.

  37. Tom

    John Ferguson in the Oz is vying for the Van Oscillator award with his latest on the Pell case.

    The only good thing I can tell you about John Ferguson’s churnalism is that he’s not as far left as the former Paywallian “associate editor” John Lyons, who left for the ABC after making up a story in 2014 that prime minister Tony Abbott wanted to invade Iraq. The paper spent the following fortnight trying to disown the story.

    Since joining the ABC, Lyons’ major achievement appears furthering his Mr Rabbit obsession with be the doco Dethroning Tony Abbott.

    Nevertheless, Ferguson is also an activist, who sees no problem campaigning for the left’s political interest, which is usually diametrically opposed to the public interest.

  38. JC

    young women should be told that working as a prostitute is more likely to end in your murder than working (at 30 bucks an hour) for AAMI.

    I bet not when they refuse an insurance claim for nebulous reasons.

  39. Mater

    The New York Post reported on Monday that Epstein “was found hanging in his lower Manhattan jail cell with a bedsheet wrapped around his neck and secured to the top of a bunk bed” and “apparently killed himself by kneeling toward the floor and strangling himself.”

    I was told (after a subordinate did it in a cupboard with belt) that this is a remarkably difficult way to suicide. Apparently you have a natural instinct to put your feet down and take the weight off and it takes a LOT of will power (or an impaired mind) to Overcome this until you pass out.

    That’s why people kick the chair out from under them. It over comes the issue of turning back.

  40. C.L.

    I’m heartened to note that next Wednesday is the feast day of Pope St Pius X, scourge of Modernism and Relativism.

  41. Top Ender

    Why is there an oversupply of doctors in Australia but a shortage of General Practitioners?

    Why not?

    Being a GP would be a horrible job.

    One new “patient” every 10 minutes.

    Prescriptions; listening to bludgers; fending off people who want unnecessary drugs; sending people off to specialists.

    Apart from the money, who’d want it.

  42. notafan

    Just reading a how to website

    apparently if the knot is positioned correctly the suicider is unconscious in 15 seconds and a quote “In one study of hangings by Simonsen4, 63% of the victims were in contact with the ground.”

    The broken bones are an issue

    not damaged in the previous ‘attempt”?

  43. thefrollickingmole

    On Pol Tots journey to the “heart of darkness” (which is what the gruinaid called the visit to America) I noted this little bit.

    The Malizia II is an 18 metre (60ft) racing yacht that was built for round-the-world challenges and has just completed the Fastnet race, which runs every two years. It generates the power for lighting and communication through solar panels and underwater turbines. The racing team have removed sponsorship logos from the hull and emblazoned Greta’s slogan “Unite Behind the Science” on the mainsail.

    I wonder who normally sponsors them?

    https://www.borisherrmannracing.com/partners/
    Monaco yacht club https://www.yacht-club-monaco.mc/fr/home/
    Rich bastards bank https://mc.efgbank.com/
    BMW https://www.bmw.de/de/index.html

    Plus a bunch of others underneath.

  44. Sinclair Davidson

    Yeah – look we can all debate the merits or demerits of prostitution and sex work etc. until the cows come home. The only thing we actually know is that poor woman died scared and alone and probably painfully. Let’s have some compassion.

  45. Old School Conservative

    speedbox
    #3132353, posted on August 15, 2019 at 2:29 pm
    I cannot possibly be alone in my experiences and have wondered ‘how’ these people passed through University. Did the lecturers even read the assignments?

    Open slather entry caused by funding for all entrants. Thanks Julia.
    Low ATARs required therefore no academic barriers to entry.
    Pressure on lecturers to pass most students irrespective of actual ability.
    Overseas students’ lack of English and communication skills are not penalised because discrimination.
    Cheating.
    Group assignments.
    Special provisions.
    Poor lecturers/assessors.
    Overall – lack of will by Vice Chancellors and politicians to fix a broken system.

  46. JC

    Just reading a how to website

    I bet it was from the website, “how stuff works”. The web is a funny place.

  47. woolfe

    From the Paywallian:
    Gender pay gap remains stubborn

    Then we read :
    The national gender pay gap measures the difference between the average weekly full-time base salary earnings of women and men, expressed as a percentage of men’s earnings.
    It is a measure of women’s overall position in the paid workforce and does not compare like roles.

    FFS

  48. Knuckle Dragger

    JC, 3.31;

    Dicks. There’s nothing exceptional about climbing Everest any more. 80 year old nipper grannies have done it, and it’s just not special any more.

    ‘Hey, I climbed Everest last week!’
    ‘Hey, I ran a marathon!’

    ‘Uh huh.’

  49. notafan

    Sorry JC for once you are wrong

    it was ‘lost all hope’ site

  50. C.L.

    Yeah – look we can all debate the merits or demerits of prostitution and sex work etc. until the cows come home. The only thing we actually know is that poor woman died scared and alone and probably painfully. Let’s have some compassion.

    Indeed.
    This is an unspeakable crime. He should NEVER be released from prison.

  51. Knuckle Dragger

    It’s certainly possible to hang yourself while kneeling and bending forward with sheets, a garden hose, a bra or a mobile charging cord.

    However:

    It’s really helpful to be drugged and/or pissed off your tits; and

    You don’t break bones doing it, especially in your neck.

  52. calli

    I know exactly how her family feel. Regardless of the reason she opened the door to him.

    Poor buggers. And it will never, ever go away.

    I do take issue with ABC and their nonsensical elevation of prostitution to some sort of glamorous career.

  53. calli

    True, Knuckles. It’s about cutting off oxygen to the brain. After a long enough pressure, passing out and gravity does the rest.

  54. Cassie of Sydney

    “”The murder of a fellow human being is a tragedy.”

    Agree Doomlord….it is a tragedy. But I don’t think we are passing moral judgement on her…what we recognise is that this young woman chose to make money by participating in a high risk and, as far as I am concerned, very unsavoury “profession”. And how many here on this blog would revel or understand if it was their child..be it a young man or woman…who chose to engage is such a “profession”…..I doubt that anyone here would be sympathetic to such a choice of profession…because it isn’t a profession….you are making money from sex.

    And what I particularly dislike is that sections of the media….albeit mainly Nein and the ABC….are trying to equate her “chosen” profession with say..being a secretary. Bullshit.

  55. Black Ball

    Rambler, a young bloke broke his leg playing footy a couple of weeks ago. Was taken to Swan Hill before taken to Bendigo. He was finally booked for surgery on the Tuesday. Shameful in a first world country.
    Speedbox I do recall something like those bonuses but cannot recall anyone ever receiving this. The teachers of my yoof were, and still are, excellent. Younger ones teaching kids only 5 years their junior a worry. They don’t really seem to care, teach from a book, no passion for it. Just my observation in my town.

  56. Mark from Melbourne

    Mark

    We should ask someone here to try the experiment and later on get someone to let us know if it works.

    Where’s Stack? Hey Stack!…….

    I think there may be other candidates… hypothetically, of course. I am NOT inviting Cats to make suggestions.

    Back onto Epstein… I wasn’t suggesting for a moment it wasn’t possible (as nota points out above), but it does strain credulity that a bloke who had every chance of either cooperating or getting off on a possible double jeopardy would be quite so determined to off himself.

    Add in sleeping guards and (supposedly) inoperative cameras and you can see why the Coroner is asking for more info. Where’s Quincy when you need him??

  57. Cassie of Sydney

    “I do take issue with ABC and their nonsensical elevation of prostitution to some sort of glamorous career.”

    Yep.

  58. Knuckle Dragger

    I understand you can hyperventilate yourself prior to hanging on your knees, to the point where a sudden cutoff of O2 immediately after overpowering, increased airflow takes care of consciousness, and then – yeah, gravity.

    But the bones. The bones.

  59. JC

    Add in sleeping guards ….. Where’s Quincy when you need him??

    He’s probably asleep too along with those loathing morons.

  60. 1735099

    It’s the politically correct promotion of so-called s3x work as a job like any other that deserves condemnation.

    There are more judgmental dweebs on this blog than just about anywhere else on the web.
    It must have something to do with the conservative mindset.
    AFAIK, the law makes no distinction about how the victim of a homicide earns her/his living when it comes to conviction and sentencing.
    In any case, if there is such a thing as an occupational hierarchy, prostitution is probably more morally sound than share trading, used car retailing and financial advisers earning commissions.

  61. stackja

    Sinclair Davidson
    #3132436, posted on August 15, 2019 at 3:54 pm
    Yeah – look we can all debate the merits or demerits of prostitution and sex work etc. until the cows come home. The only thing we actually know is that poor woman died scared and alone and probably painfully. Let’s have some compassion.

    And the NSW government cares more about the ‘rights’ of a mental patient then an unborn baby.

  62. johanna

    Rambler, a young bloke broke his leg playing footy a couple of weeks ago. Was taken to Swan Hill before taken to Bendigo. He was finally booked for surgery on the Tuesday. Shameful in a first world country.

    So, why didn’t family or friends pop him in the car and run him to Melbourne? Just present at A&E with a broken leg, and Robert’s your mother’s brother.

    Frankly, either it wasn’t very serious or his nearest and dearest are callous idiots.

  63. JC

    Mark

    The problem is this. People don’t want to believe just how negligent and useless some people can be. It’s hard to fathom at times.

    Here’s the possible giveaway. The “guards” were asleep.

  64. Spider

    Sinclair

    Gentlepeople – I see some moral judgement being directed at the victim of yesterdays attack in Sydney.

    Irrespective of who she was, and what she was up to, at the time she was murdered it is really irrelevant. The murder of a fellow human being is a tragedy.

    Thanks Sinc you just beat me to it. It shouldn’t matter a jot if she was a sex worker or a nun. She doesn’t deserve to be murdered by a lunatic. No one does.

  65. stackja

    Cassie of Sydney
    #3132450, posted on August 15, 2019 at 4:08 pm
    “I do take issue with ABC and their nonsensical elevation of prostitution to some sort of glamorous career.”

    Yep.

    The ABC, a glamour career?

  66. notafan

    who here suggested that the (alleged) murderer should be dealt with more lightly because of who the victim was ?

    Oh that is right

    no-body.

    All I saw was people noting that a certain type of killer targets sex workers because they are more vulnerable.

  67. Cassie of Sydney

    “prostitution is probably more morally sound than share trading, used car retailing and financial advisers earning commissions and teachers.”

  68. Mater

    The “guards” were asleep.

    So they say. Sorry, JC, they’re not likely to say otherwise. A guy died on their watch. That’s the least indictable explanation they could possibly employ.
    Any CCTV of the guards sleeping?

  69. Knuckle Dragger

    Try being in a car driving over mostly country roads with a broken leg, Johanna.

    It’s not an experience you want to try again.

    Add to that, broken bone or not you’re still going to be put behind a cavalcade of ice-head ODs in any Melbourne ED.

    So, yeah nah.

  70. notafan

    oh and kudos for taking this poor woman’s death and using it to take potshots at people here numbers

  71. Cassie of Sydney

    “notafan
    #3132465, posted on August 15, 2019 at 4:23 pm
    oh and kudos for taking this poor woman’s death and using it to take potshots at people here numbers”

    He just can’t help himself.

  72. johanna

    Add in sleeping guards ….. Where’s Quincy when you need him??

    Nah, definitely one for Noo Yok’s finest – Columbo.

    I can just see him slouching around in that disreputable overcoat:

    ‘So, he hanged himself wit a bedsheet. Y’know, my wife is very fussy about bedsheets. Always wants to know da tread count, whatever dat is. Anyway, what was da tread count on dese sheets?’

    and

    ‘I guess you get some pretty important people here from time ta time. But you treat dem like everyone else, right? If I ask around, I’ll find dat Mr Epstein was treated eggsacly the same as everyone else, right?’

    It would make a great episode.

  73. JC

    Trade wars are NOT expansionary. They are deflationary and cause economic contraction.

    From the WSJ editorial page.

    After we warned last week that U.S. trade policy was courting recession, White House aide Peter Navarro took to Fox Business to denounce us for sounding like The People’s Daily, the Chinese Communist propaganda arm. That was novel as criticisms of these columns go, but perhaps Mr. Navarro would care to comment again after Wednesday’s recession warning from the bond and equity markets? Are they Commies too?

    Stocks fell about 3% on the day on bad economic news out of Germany, China and the bond markets. Europe’s largest economy shrank by 0.1% in the second quarter as exports fell amid trade and Brexit uncertainty. Chinese readings on factory production, consumption and employment also revealed an economy that is slowing sharply. China’s industrial production increase of 4.8% was a 17-year low.
    Trump, China Trade and Hong Kong
    Subscribe

    Investors saw all that and headed for the tall grass of U.S. Treasurys. The yield on the 10-year note hit 1.58%, dipping for a time below the two-year bond yield. The 30-year Treasury hit a record low of 2.018% and closed at 2.02%. Yields this low show investors are moving out of risk assets and they signal slower growth ahead—perhaps even a recession unless events and better policies spur more optimism.

    Some Trumpians are cheering the Chinese economy’s pain, but they should be careful what they wish for. They could drive China, the world’s second largest economy, into its first recession since Deng Xiaoping began the era of pro-market economic reform.

    A Chinese recession would mean a European recession, which would send U.S. growth down too. The impact would be worse if slower growth triggers capital flight from China and there’s a disorderly fall in the yuan.
    Opinion Live: America’s Political Realignment and the 2020 Election

    Join Paul Gigot in Los Angeles on Wednesday, October 1 for a discussion with Opinion columnists and political experts on the current state of the 2020 election field. Register with WSJ+.

    Mr. Navarro and President Trump spent Wednesday blaming the Federal Reserve for the market meltdown, and we suppose any scapegoat will do in a storm. The Fed isn’t blameless, and we argued it shouldn’t have raised rates last December. But it has since countered that rate increase with a 25-basis-point cut in July, and even another 50 basis points won’t be enough to counter a downward spiral of trade and currency mayhem.

    We’ve been warning for two years that trade wars have economic consequences, but the wizards of protectionism told Mr. Trump not to worry. The economy was fine and the trade worrywarts were wrong.

    But we never said tariffs would produce immediate recession. We said they—and the climate of uncertainty they were creating for business—would chill global trade and undermine the surge in capital investment spurred by tax reform and deregulation. The growth momentum from tax cuts and a strong labor market were able to mask the impact of helter-skelter trade policy for a time. But that old economic disciplinarian, Adam Smith, sooner or later exacts a price for policy blunders.

    Wednesday’s market moves are an omen of the future, not destiny. The key to avoiding the worst is to restore a sense of policy calm and confidence. Stop the trade threats by tweet. Call a tariff truce with China, Europe and the rest of the world while negotiations resume with a goal of reaching a deal by the meeting of Pacific nations in November. Someone should tell Mr. Trump that incumbent Presidents who preside over recessions within two years of an election rarely get a second term.

    Navarro is an imbecile and Trump should fire him immediately. Monetary policy has tightened as a result of this wank fest.

  74. John Constantine

    Footy club insurance would demand first available medical facility. Loading in a car to do four hours to Melbourne lets the insurance company wipe you off.

    Plus you might even get a panadol at the first hospital.

  75. JC

    So they say. Sorry, JC, they’re not likely to say otherwise. A guy died on their watch. That’s the least indictable explanation they could possibly employ.

    Okay, but also just a likely one too.

    Any CCTV of the guards sleeping?

    The CCTV was also asleep.

  76. stackja

    Red China would never indulge in unfair trade?

  77. notafan

    Cassie

    this is the same person who claims his daughters found the presence in their hotel in Vietnam of a brothel servicing Japanese business a source of great amusement, after all.

  78. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    medicine is all about communication

    Nup. Not always. We’ve seen two cardiologists. Excellent specialists but bluntly unempathic. Nature of their game, I suspect. Too much empathy and they’d go under and so might you. They don’t ‘actively listen’. They tell you. And a good thing they do.

  79. Lilliana

    Cassie of Sydney
    #3132447, posted on August 15, 2019 at 4:03 pm
    “”The murder of a fellow human being is a tragedy.”
    ……
    And what I particularly dislike is that sections of the media….albeit mainly Nein and the ABC….are trying to equate her “chosen” profession with say..being a secretary. Bullshit.

    Agree – there is a difference between the tragedy of the young woman’s murder and her family’s shock and grief, and the media’s romanticising and normalising of prostitution which is what I objectionable.
    And calling it her profession is just ridiculous. While the full story not yet known, I’d wager she just wanted to earn lots of money quickly (probably tax-free) to pay for her travels and lifestyle.

  80. JC

    Define “unfair trade” in at least two sentences, Stack.

    I know it’s a big ask as one sentence is strenuous.

  81. Mater

    Okay, but also just a likely one too.

    And that’s what makes it so damned good. You can’t jail people for falling asleep, only conspiracy.

  82. notafan

    Now empathy is a synonym of communication

    the things you learn at the cat

  83. johanna

    Try being in a car driving over mostly country roads with a broken leg, Johanna.

    They took him to Bendigo.

    Since when is the road from Bendigo to Melbourne a rutted goat track? Besides, presumably they otherwise would have had to take him home again, over rutted goat tracks.

    Yes, A&E in a metropolitan hospital is no picnic, but if he had a broken leg, he would have been admitted and treated in a lot less than a week. The story doesn’t add up.

  84. Black Ball

    Johanna, one would think that in this country, any one with such an injury would be attended to post haste. He was told he would be operated on Sunday, Monday and was told to fast. He had his tibia broken but his fibula was splintered. And knowing his family, they are not callous in any regard. They put their faith in those who were charged with his care.
    Mind you, one weekend in Swan Hill, one bloke had a broken arm and collarbone and 2 with snapped legs. Again they were all put into non emergency care despite obvious pain. To me, it’s not good enough.

  85. JC

    You can’t jail people for falling asleep,

    I think you can in this circumstance. It would be some law around the principle of criminal neglect. Prosecutors could find a broken law, however in this day and age people on the public payroll never go to jail.

  86. Knuckle Dragger

    How I Would Kill Epstein, by KD:

    1. Get a casual job as a prison guard in the most likely remand centre Epstein would be held in.

    2. Be a model employee. Take up slack and spaces on rosters.

    3. Wrangle a shift on his watch.

    4. Drug the other guard’s coffee or whatnot and disable CCTV. A loose wire. Could happen at any time.

    5. Go in cell. Incapacitate Epstein.

    6. Hang the Epster with sheets from higher place. Plan B is to choke him out and dead with sheet (not, repeat not, hands).

    7. Reposition Epster in kneeling hanging position. No additional ligature marks. Lock cell and snooze alongside other guard.

    8. Wake up. ‘Find’ Epster. Wail. Raise alarm. Be very sorry. Make statement.

    9. Walk outside for cigarette to calm nerves. Disappear. Fake own death. Live on Little St. James forever.

  87. calli

    That would make the Divine Agatha proud, Knuckles.

  88. candy

    Being on the spectrum of autism is more likely a drawback to being a doctor maybe.

    The ability to pick up minor cues, if a person is worried about something, lying about something, exaggerating of using humour to disguise worry. The very things folks with that disorder have difficulty with, understanding non verbal expressions.

  89. cuckoo

    At least the Epstein case shows us there is one place in the modern urban world where you can be sure of not being on CCTV: a prison cell.

  90. Mater

    I think you can in this circumstance. It would be some law around the principle of criminal neglect.

    Minor stuff at best and the Union would go out on strike in support! They’ll probably get a promotion and a raise!

  91. Knuckle Dragger

    Travelling anywhere via private car, on any surface, without morphine or preferably pethidine, is very very unpleasant Johanna.

    Gonna have to trust me here.

  92. JC

    Minor stuff at best and the Union would go out on strike in support! They’ll probably get a promotion and a raise!

    Doesn’t that someway help explain why they were asleep. The fuckers don’t give a shit.

  93. calli

    It’s so judgey to find prostitution unsavoury, dangerous and undesirable for our daughters.

    And double-judgey to comment on the ABC’s lionisation of the occupation as a glamorous career choice.

    Yawn.

  94. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    WA Police remove Extinction Rebellion protesters from Parliament after group sparks suspension
    Josh Zimmerman and Peter De KruijffPerthNow
    August 15, 2019 12:46PM
    Topics
    Climate Change
    State Politics

    Parliament was temporarily suspended this afternoon after 15 climate change protesters flooded the viewing gallery of the Legislative Assembly to demand a meeting with MPs.

    Politicians bolted from their seats in the Lower House as the Extinction Rebellion activists made their way into the chamber this afternoon.

    In a short speech one of the protesters said the “peaceful demonstration” came in response to the climate emergency, before the group broke into a chant repeatedly singing “we declare rebellion.”

    Gen Snowflake declares “rebellion.” Bring it on.

  95. woolfe

    KD,
    Yea, but doubt you would have to fake your own death.

  96. JC

    “Nolli Illegitemum se Carborundum”, Dudes! Bring it on!

  97. calli

    Yes, Woolfe. That would be part of an unwilling cleanup.

  98. notafan

    Blackball

    I assume he was taken by ambulance to Swan Hill then Bendigo then Melbourne

    no way of knowing in advance that those local hospitals would not have been able to care for him

    I would have assumed Bendigo would have been big enough but of course it wouldn’t usually be until xray that a very bad break would be confirmed.

    I know when my BIL got speared in the leg up at the snowfields it was Wang or Melbourne, and of course via ambulance. He went to Wang because much closer.

    Only an idiot would throw someone with a serious injury in a car and drive hundreds of kms.

  99. Bruce of Newcastle

    Here we go:

    Jeffrey Epstein autopsy reveals broken bones in neck, cause of death pending: report (Fox News)

    An autopsy on the body of Jeffrey Epstein revealed the convicted sex offender had several broken bones in his neck, including the hyoid bone, according to a report.

    The hyoid bone, which is near the Adam’s apple, can be broken in a suicide by hanging — especially in older people — but is more common in strangulation murders, The Washington Post reported.

    I like the WaPo citation…’don’t sue us Foxians if the report is wrong, blame Bezos!’

  100. cohenite

    The troll defends prostitution compared with other occupations; straight out of the GB Shaw playbook although I’m sure the troll wouldn’t know that; by extension therefore pimps must be great too; although given the troll is a commie it would see them as capitalist exploiters.

    The girl was unlucky; it wasn’t her fault; the RoP terrorist is the issue.

  101. Ellie

    There are more judgmental dweebs on this blog than just about anywhere else on the web.

    Totally agree! The judgments makes my eyes bleed.

    A sex worker chooses to provide a service. The client chooses to pay. Supply and demand. Risk is always involved.

  102. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘Politicians bolted from their seats’

    As 15 pimply, pasty purple-haired noodle-armed unskilled placard-carrying androgynous simpletons shouted at them.

    So brave. Leaders of our country.

    Role models to all.

  103. notafan

    Hanging D’angelo from a door knob almost worked in The Wire.

    It was Obama’s favourite show.

  104. thefrollickingmole

    The only thing we actually know is that poor woman died scared and alone and probably painfully. Let’s have some compassion.

    We can do that and also pass judgement on her lack of morality at the same time.

    Failing to proclaim “Selling your vagina/bum etc for strangers to use is an immoral and degrading way of making a living” is a moral fudge as well.

    Feel free to state why you think that position is wrong.

  105. zyconoclast

    Modesto Community Members Take Stand Against Proposed ‘Straight Pride’ Event

    Critics say the National Straight Pride Coalition does not celebrate heteros3xuality. Instead, they say the group spreads a hateful, anti-gay message and has white supremacist undertones.

    “Everyone is trying to sensationalize this event and it’s going to be much like a church service,” said the “straight pride” event co-organizer Mylinda Mason.

    Mason says they are not a hate group.

    “I know everybody likes to go and celebrate s0d0my but we actually want to celebrate heteros3xuality,” she said.

    Despite language toward the LGBTQ community that some find demeaning, Mason said the event is based in love and what she calls “speaking Christian truth.”

    “We care about and love the homos3xual community but there are certain sins like s0d0my that lead to death,” Mason said.

  106. Lilliana

    medicine is all about communication
    Nup. Not always. We’ve seen two cardiologists. Excellent specialists but bluntly unempathic. Nature of their game, I suspect. Too much empathy and they’d go under and so might you. They don’t ‘actively listen’. They tell you. And a good thing they do

    Disagree, communication is not the same as empathy. Doctors listen so as to determine what ails you and then give you the facts, unpleasant as they may be.

    Like many professions that deal with difficult situations, they are taught to disassociate themselves from the situation. A necessary skill for those in the caring professions.

  107. Gen Snowflake declares “rebellion.”

    Are they looking for volunteers to put down the rebellion?
    I’m happy to help out.

  108. cohenite

    The wider view of Epstein’s strangulation is that no one in the swamp will see the inside of a cell.

  109. thefrollickingmole

    Heres where “wed better not say anything because its not nice” gets you.

    Bus driver suspended for refusing to drive bus with rainbow number
    Norwich passenger complains after driver says bus ‘promotes homosexuality’
    A bus driver in Norwich has been suspended after refusing to drive a bus decorated with a rainbow-coloured number in celebration of gay pride.

    Passengers were left waiting after the driver allegedly told them they had to wait for him to swap buses because “this bus promotes homosexuality and I refuse to drive it”, according to a passenger.

    The driver has been suspended from work while he is investigated, the company involved said.

    According to Rebecca Sears, 19, a college student, the incident occurred at Norwich bus station last week. The city had recently celebrated a pride event and Konectbus buses in the city were displaying their numbers in rainbow colours.

    Alongside a picture of the driver, she wrote on Twitter: “Today I was waiting for the 501 bus to Thickthorn and we were told by the driver we had to wait for him to swap buses as ‘this bus promotes homosexuality and I refuse to drive it’ due to the multicoloured ‘501’ sign.”

    She wrote: “Norwich doesn’t appreciate homophobia,” adding: “I’m aware everyone is entitled to their own views. However, if you can’t do your job properly because of your bigotry, maybe you need [to] rethink your choices.”

    Sears said she complained to staff at the terminus, who told her they were aware of what had happened.

    Go East Anglia, Konectbus’s parent company, said on Wednesday: “Go East Anglia prides itself on values that support diversity and inclusion and has been a champion of Norwich Pride since 2017. We particularly want all customers of whatever background or sexual orientation to feel comfortable on our services.

    “As a company we do not condone any behaviour from our drivers that does not support this view. The driver involved in this incident has been suspended and a full investigation is under way.”

  110. Totally agree! The judgments makes my eyes bleed.

    “Judge not, lest ye be judged.”

    h/t JC

  111. Twostix

    A sex worker chooses to provide a service. The client chooses to pay. Supply and demand. Risk is always involved.

    There’s a certain type of bany boomer woman whose malevolence towards young girls is unmatched.

    I see you.

  112. Mater

    Doesn’t that someway help explain why they were asleep. The fuckers don’t give a shit

    That’s possible, if taken in isolation. The consequences of shit like this flows up hill, and bosses know this in advance. Why would anyone in their chain of command entrust such a high profile prisoner (who tried suicide already and was no longer on the watch list), to two fucking numpties who had a long history of such behaviour? Perhaps they didn’t have a long history of such behaviour and this was out of character?

    I’m not sold on what the exact story, is but upfront it stinks worse than a Lightning Ridge long drop.

  113. JC

    The wider view of Epstein’s strangulation is that no one in the swamp will see the inside of a cell.

    Well, you don’t know what Jizzlane could spill. (No pun).

    Cronkite, yesterday you were pontificating that the stabbing loon was an ISIS recruit. You really shouldn’t be pontificating on this sort of crap because you’re terrible at it. Just terrible.

  114. Knuckle Dragger

    No mention of the bus driver’s name.

    Probably because it started with M.

    This, like Epstein (the person, not the fanfare) will die quietly.

  115. cohenite

    Verballed by head prefect again.

    Complete the dots globalist and defend RoP while diagnosing the poor mentally disturbed wretch. You know you want to.

  116. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Now empathy is a synonym of communication
    the things you learn at the cat

    Empathy, often called ‘perspective taking’ and ‘active listening’ are two key aspects of the communication process as taught in our universities and elsewhere to service providers. Such things constitute part of the mutual comprehension of issues in discourse between individuals. They are not the only elements, for mode and choice of speech depending on audience, aka ‘rhetorical clarity’ including elements of persuasion, body language, and appropriate turn taking are also important. The content and purpose of the communication is also relevant to the process as well as the emotional state of participants.

    Communication 101, Notafan. It is wise to know something about it before disregarding it.
    I do know something about it, and often choose to disregard it, but knowingly. 🙂

  117. JC

    Mater

    We’ve read two stories about the earlier incident. One was that another prisoner (his cell mate) attacked and nearly killed him and the other story was that he tried to kill himself but failed. Which one is true? I don’t know.

    I could believe Epstein made up the story that the other prisoner tried to kill him to cover up his attempted suicide so he could give it another go when the opportunity sprang up. If anyone could make up bullshit and have people believe the crap, it would be Epstein because he was very smart and very conniving.

  118. P

    About The Chant
    The Knights loved Our Lady tremendously and this song said to have been composed by various authors such as Hermann of Reichenau, and Bernard of Clairvaux. It was one of their favourites. They felt they could do anything while under the Virgin’s mantle.

  119. Infidel Tiger

    Bruno Maçães

    Verified account

    @MacaesBruno

    Those who think Epstein hanged himself are the conspiracy theorists, no?

    hahaha! Very true.

  120. Mater

    Disagree, communication is not the same as empathy. Doctors listen so as to determine what ails you and then give you the facts, unpleasant as they may be.

    Agreed. But I’m not sold that Year 12 English value adds to this particular skill.
    I’ve seen doctors that speak worse English than my children.

  121. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    And what I particularly dislike is that sections of the media….albeit mainly Nein and the ABC….are trying to equate her “chosen” profession with say..being a secretary. Bullshit.

    it’s all part of the same marxist meme, prostitute, brain surgeon, all equal value.

  122. Twostix

    The only girls who are pros and strippers are sociopaths, mentally ill and girls with tragedy in their lives.

    There’s a fair bit of malevelonce in the heart of middleclass cocks who declare “don’t judge” then start quoting adam smith happy in the knowledge that their own will never in a million years enter that degrading existence.

    Then there’s the old creeps like numbers driven by obvious factors.

  123. Ellie

    The only girls who are pros and strippers are sociopaths, mentally ill and girls with tragedy in their lives.

    Seriously? Many intelligent guys and girls have paid their way through uni being creative and thinking outside the box.

  124. Mater

    JC,
    Genuine question. Why do you think Carl Williams was killed?

  125. JC

    Stix

    I also blame the men who pay to have sex with these broken down human beings. They’re not entirely blameless in ruining their lives even more. Men shouldn’t do that to women and there’s a good reason why historically “Johns” are also breaking the law.

  126. 1735099

    oh and kudos for taking this poor woman’s death and using it to take potshots at people here numbers

    Oh and kudos for taking this poor woman’s death and using it to take potshots at the ABC.

  127. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Disagree, communication is not the same as empathy.

    See my comment above. Empathy can often assist communication. There are many other aspects to effective communication. In my opinion, the ‘perspective taking’ and ’empathic’ and ‘active listening’ aspects of communication (aspects which are real and often valuable) are oversold in certain medical contexts, and elsewhere too. That’s all.

  128. Dr Faustus

    The Pacific Islands Forum grabfest is going like an absolute storm:

    Scott Morrison commits $2m in Pacific climate talks

    During negotiations, the prime minister announced $2 million to help the Pacific deal with oil spills and other maritime pollution events.

    Winston Peters gives Jacinda the big shut up:

    He says it’s not the “proper picture” to think the region, or Ms Ardern, believe “Australians are somehow acting incorrectly” – and points out
    “…many Pacific nations are seeking loans from China, which were being supported on the backs of “coal-fired everything”

    And Anthony Albanese says plop, plop, ploppy, plop:

    Labor leader Anthony Albanese has accused the Morrison government of not having a climate change policy but says coal will remain part of the nation’s energy mix into the future.

  129. cohenite

    Many intelligent guys and girls have paid their way through uni being creative and thinking outside the box.

    Phrasing.

  130. JC

    JC,
    Genuine question. Why do you think Carl Williams was killed?

    Mater, I would have to read up on it, but from what I recall another prisoner, with a life sentence, destroyed Williams skull. That sounded like there was a payoff from outside to the killer’s nearest and dearest.

  131. Mother Lode

    but if he strangled himself from a bunk bed, how in God’s Green Earth does he break multiple bones doing it.

    A surfeit or remorse?

    Nah, just kidding.

    If you are going conspiracy theory then employing someone amateur enough to break neckbones when simple asphyxiation then posing with a bedsheet is called for seems, in itself, amateurish.

    I am guessing the multiple cervical vertebrae damage is just the exuberance of rumour.

    And I say that…just in case I am wrong.

  132. thefrollickingmole

    The “broken bone”may just be the Hyoid bone, in which case thats not entirely unusual in a strangulation.
    https://www.britannica.com/science/hyoid-bone
    More bones than that and you are looking at someone launching themselves from the top bunk with enough energy to compensate for a lack of drop.

    Which would be weird.

    Hyoid bone fracture caused by blunt neck trauma

    It is very possible for someone to “hang” themselves while almost lying on the floor.

    What would be cynically amusing would be if hed misjudged and done a “Michael Hutchence” on himself.

  133. johanna

    Black Ball
    #3132479, posted on August 15, 2019 at 4:32 pm

    Johanna, one would think that in this country, any one with such an injury would be attended to post haste. He was told he would be operated on Sunday, Monday and was told to fast. He had his tibia broken but his fibula was splintered. And knowing his family, they are not callous in any regard. They put their faith in those who were charged with his care.
    Mind you, one weekend in Swan Hill, one bloke had a broken arm and collarbone and 2 with snapped legs. Again they were all put into non emergency care despite obvious pain. To me, it’s not good enough.

    I don’t disagree with any of that.

    But, if it was my kid or relative or friend, I wouldn’t be passively waiting around for a week, when treatment was available elsewhere. Oh, and KD, I daresay a badly broken leg hurts like buggery, but that is not a reason to sit around and wait for days and days. On the contrary. You insert copious amounts of whatever painkillers you can get your hands on (reach out, you’d be surprised what is out there) and top it up with a few nips of spirituous liquors, put him in the car, and take him to a hospital where they will treat him.

    Sheesh. Looks like the Welfare State has eroded the initiative of even our esteemed commenters.

  134. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    thinking outside the box

    Now Ellie, do I really have to say phrasing?
    Hardly outside it anyway, darling. 🙂

  135. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Ellie, I see Cohenite was right onto it!

  136. thefrollickingmole

    I also blame the men who pay to have sex with these broken down human beings.

    This as well.

  137. zyconoclast

    Strange move. Will not win any votes for it.

    Tulsi Gabbard Pauses Her 2020 Presidential Campaign to Report for Active Duty

    n Monday, 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard (shown above right) announced she will be taking a two-week break from her presidential campaign so she can report for active duty with the Hawaiian Army National Guard.

  138. JC

    Mater

    Look it’s possible someone from outside had a hand or two in Epstein’s death. That can’t be discounted. However I tend to believe he did it himself. The reason is that the come down for someone as wealthy as he was to living in a cell possibly for the rest of his life may have been too hard to endure. At the end the very smart conniving coward took the coward’s way out of it.

    More on Williams… Williams had been in jail for a while and it there was time to plan it. Epstein was in remand and had only been in jail for about 5 weeks.

  139. Ellie

    Sorry. Always trying to make light of things. Spank me!

  140. Mater

    Mater, I would have to read up on it, but from what I recall another prisoner, with a life sentence, destroyed Williams skull. That sounded like there was a payoff from outside to the killer’s nearest and dearest.

    The word on the street was that he was going to roll over on someone. Whether that’s true or not is irrelevant. The word is enough.
    In these circles, very little is as it seems. Even less is as simple as incompetence or happenstance.

  141. calli

    There we have it.

    The ABC must never ever be criticised in any way for any reason. Because feelz.

    Shame my taxes pay for the shambles.

  142. Mater

    Ok, JC, it good to be able to reason it out in both directions. The outcome will be interesting.

  143. Leigh Lowe

    Mater

    #3132522, posted on August 15, 2019 at 5:04 pm

    JC,
    Genuine question. Why do you think Carl Williams was killed?

    The popular VikPol approved version was that he was about to put the finger on “crooked cops”.
    Of course, he was incentivised to “remember” stuff, via days out of jail shagging his girlfriend, and his old man having tax debts erased.
    Who knows?
    No doubt his “mouth for hire routine” had upset more than one, both inside and outside jail.

  144. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    She wrote: “Norwich doesn’t appreciate homophobia,” adding: “I’m aware everyone is entitled to their own views. However, if you can’t do your job properly because of your bigotry, maybe you need [to] rethink your choices.”

    under the new globalist order, you will love anal sex and come begging for it…daily

  145. Leigh Lowe

    Carl William’s death was merely a tragic cycling accident.
    It happens.

  146. John Constantine

    To misquote Oscar Wilde:

    “To lose on one attempt on Epstein’s life may be regarded as a misfortune.

    To lose both attempts would look like carelessness.”

  147. Bruce of Newcastle

    Oh and kudos for taking this poor woman’s death and using it to take potshots at the ABC.

    Numbers – We are forced to pay for the ABC whether we like it or not. Which puts prostitutes in better light than ABC presstitutes, since at least people can choose with the former. The ABC is slime.

  148. communication is not the same as empathy

    I have no feeling or understanding of what you are trying to say.

  149. Mater

    Carl William’s death was merely a tragic cycling accident.
    It happens.

    At least he didn’t die wearing Lycra. A man needs to maintain some level of self respect.

  150. Nob

    I have it in good authority that Williams was not wearing a cycle helmet. He deserved his fate.

  151. Mother Lode

    A surfeit or remorse?

    Frickin’ auto-corrupt.

    A surfeit of remorse?

  152. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Spank me!

    I am not the dominatrix type, but others here may apply. 🙂

    You made an interesting observation though about students engaging in prostitution with no apparent qualms. One wonders though whether the apparent ‘easy money’ became too much of a lure, and then whoops down the slippery slope of degradation they go. Some may have managed to keep their minds on higher things, aka higher education, in a means to and end mode, but others, maybe not so much.

    There is a moral dimension to it all; self-respect as well.

  153. JC

    Tom
    #3132552, posted on August 15, 2019 at 5:23 pm

    Graph: Australia’s red tape crisis (h/t IPA).

    Australia will be the first country on earth to reach peak ban. There won’t be anything else to ban.

  154. Roger

    Oh no…

    According to the ABC Morrison has succeeded in watering down the Pacific Island Nation Forum’s climate change statement but Australia is now in danger of losing its leadership status in the region, with Jacinda Ardern taking the side of island nations on most issues.

    I propose a hypothetical:

    Australia withdraws aid from the region, leaving the Pacific island nations to get by on what NZ doles out to them. Step up, NZ tax payers!

  155. calli

    You made an interesting observation though about students engaging in prostitution with no apparent qualms.

    I made a comment waaay up thread about current attitudes to sexual intercourse.

    I stand by them.

  156. johanna

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #3132514, posted on August 15, 2019 at 4:57 pm

    Now empathy is a synonym of communication
    the things you learn at the cat

    Empathy, often called ‘perspective taking’ and ‘active listening’ are two key aspects of the communication process as taught in our universities and elsewhere to service providers. Such things constitute part of the mutual comprehension of issues in discourse between individuals. They are not the only elements, for mode and choice of speech depending on audience, aka ‘rhetorical clarity’ including elements of persuasion, body language, and appropriate turn taking are also important. The content and purpose of the communication is also relevant to the process as well as the emotional state of participants.

    Communication 101, Notafan. It is wise to know something about it before disregarding it.
    I do know something about it, and often choose to disregard it, but knowingly. 🙂

    FMD. I never knew that.

    Aren’t we lucky to have an academic here to lecture us nongs about fings wot we no nuffink about?

    I, for one, am suitably humbled by Her presence. I can but press my nose against the window pane of such ejumcashion.

  157. calli

    “stand by it.”

    Judgey, judgey me.

  158. thefrollickingmole

    Tom
    #3132552, posted on August 15, 2019 at 5:23 pm
    Graph: Australia’s red tape crisis (h/t IPA).

    But Tom, if they just pass one more law the crooked timber of humanity will be set straight and the 1000 reign of peace and prosperity will descend on the land like ticks on a roo dog.

  159. Mindfree

    I noticed the recently appointed CEO of Infrastructure Australia is the former head of the green building council australia
    Responsible for the massive increase in construction costs due to green regulations. Het name is Romilly Madew. Any cats know of her as it seems another cave-in to the green activists by the scomo govt

  160. zyconoclast

    A woman who was fatally burned in a petrol-fuelled blaze in Sydney’s north-west six years ago likely had the accelerant poured or thrown onto her by others, a burns expert has told a court.

    Defence barrister Margaret Cunneen, SC, asked Professor Maitz if the vast majority of suicide victims by burning in Sydney were of Indian, Pakistani or Sri Lankan background.

    “Yes,” Professor Maitz said.

  161. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    FMD. I never knew that.

    Yes you did, Johanna. It’s all absolutely kosher and true, but also a heap of crap in the wrong hands.
    We all know that. 🙂

  162. johanna

    You made an interesting observation though about students engaging in prostitution with no apparent qualms. One wonders though whether the apparent ‘easy money’ became too much of a lure, and then whoops down the slippery slope of degradation they go. Some may have managed to keep their minds on higher things, aka higher education, in a means to and end mode, but others, maybe not so much.

    There is a moral dimension to it all; self-respect as well.

    Well, well, you have come a long way from saying that she was a typical young woman with a ‘sideline’ – and before that, that she was a sad victim of circumstance which forced her into prostitution.

    I picked you as an intellectual lightweight with no principles but plenty of gutter street smarts years ago. You have never let me down.

  163. Mother Lode

    Sheesh. Looks like the Welfare State has eroded the initiative of even our esteemed commenters.

    I so wish I could dismiss that observation as glib or cynical.

    But alas…

  164. zyconoclast

    Honda has announced it will cease local production of cars in Argentina from 2020.
    The company’s factory in Campana, about an hour north of the capital Buenos Aires, was opened in 2006 as a motorcycle plant, with car production beginning in 2011.

  165. Mater

    Carl William’s death was merely a tragic cycling accident.
    It happens.

    It lacked the subtlety of the Epstein event, but it got the job done.

  166. Carl William’s death was merely a tragic cycling accident.

    I thought he was done in with a unlicensed chair.

  167. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The NGOs Doctors Without Borders (MSF) and SOS Méditerranée are still looking for a European port to dock at after collecting around 250 migrants off the coast of Libya.

    I’m not convinced being on a boat is a medical crisis

  168. Knuckle Dragger

    Chick fight!

    Pulling hair and scratching over respective arse sizes in 3… 2… 1….

  169. notafan

    Oh gosh another set down from Mrs Bouquet mouth.

    How will I survive?

    Your explanation was spurious by the way.

    One doesn’t need to be empathetic to effectively communicate.

    No one was talking about ‘ bedside manner’

  170. Mother Lode

    Carl William’s death was merely a tragic cycling accident.

    I think we are all losing sight of the real victim here: the exercise bike handlebars.

  171. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I made a comment waaay up thread about current attitudes to sexual intercourse.

    Saw that when you said it Calli, and cannot but agree. If walking amongst us there are people who can legally kill an eight month old child in utero then there are certainly people who can throw a trick without a second thought as to the morality of that.

  172. thefrollickingmole

    Consider this.

    Our “best and brightest” girls are being taught its a valid life choice to turn tricks while going through uni but at the same time one accusation from one of these “ladies” will ruin a male students life.

  173. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    One doesn’t need to be empathetic to effectively communicate.

    You do, in a very broad sense, need this.
    Otherwise you run the risk in discourse of poor comprehension of the other.

    Perhaps you may care to reflect a little on this yourself.

  174. Roger

    Defence barrister Margaret Cunneen, SC, asked Professor Maitz if the vast majority of suicide victims by burning in Sydney were of Indian, Pakistani or Sri Lankan background.

    “Yes,” Professor Maitz said.

    Involuntary suttee.

  175. Bruce of Newcastle

    Is this bloke the cousin of Don King?

    No. Don King is ok. That guy looks like the bastard son of this guy.

    MSNBC Panelist On Most White People: ‘Destroy Them’ (12 Aug)

  176. Geriatric Mayfly

    On Pol Tots journey to the “heart of darkness”

    Message just in, thanks to Mr Morse, from the Atlantic. “What shall we do with the drunken sailor?”

    I feel a song coming on.

  177. Knuckle Dragger

    C’mon ladeeees……

    We’re not here for haircuts…

  178. johanna

    calli, as a veteran of the sexuasl liberation times, I know very well that many people underestimate the relationship between sex and the brain, or psyche. There is such a thing as having sex being like eating a cheese sandwich, but the trouble is that you never know for sure in advance. Experienced hookers, or promiscuous women, all have tales to tell about blokes who imagined that it was more. Ditto, plenty of blokes have horror stories about women who imagined that it was lurve when it was just sex.

    It the stuff of literature and song since civilisation began.

    Bottom line – all those kiddies who are hooking up online for dates and sex have no idea what they are playing with. It’s not just a game.

    And that goes for gormless hookers like Ms Dunne (RIP) as well. Popular culture, supported by sources like the once reputable ABC, pretend that sex is just a harmless, fun, thing, like playing Frisbee.

    Even a cursory reading of literature might help them to understand that they are playing with fire. And, I don’t mean the politically correct rubbish they get nowadays. The Romans and the ancient Griks understood sexual obsession and jealousy very well.

  179. Roger

    MSNBC Panelist On Most White People: ‘Destroy Them’

    Only those who voted for Trump, actually.

    Much of the Australian Prog-Left would be on board with that.

  180. Nick

    Apologies if this has been mentioned already, the decision on George Pell’s Appeal will be made next Wednesday, the 21st.

  181. JC

    No. Don King is ok.

    No he’s not, he’s a murderer and lowlife.

    This is what made America great…. or not.

    Only in America! A Cleveland street where Don King killed someone might get renamed after him.

  182. the decision on George Pell’s Appeal will be made next Wednesday

    Nope. It was made some time ago.
    It will be announced next Wednesday, now that the broadcast technical details have been sorted out.

  183. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    you have come a long way from saying that she was a typical young woman with a ‘sideline’ – and before that, that she was a sad victim of circumstance which forced her into prostitution.

    Nonsense. I have simply speculated on some possible circumstances while admitting, unlike others, that I know nothing, apart from a few hints, of those of the woman in question.

    I have had a long and varied life experience, Johanna. You haven’t picked very much at all about that.
    Or about me. You and Notafan are of a type there. All attack and no substance to it.

  184. areff

    Ellie, knows of what speaks. Accepting cash for a carnal transactions is simply trade….

  185. Black Ball

    I also see Don Lemon of CNN infamy accused of stinky finger. Believe all women we were told by Xe Lemon. I expect his resignation letter shortly. Sarc off

  186. bespoke

    Ellie
    #3132497, posted on August 15, 2019 at 4:44 pm
    Totally agree! The judgments makes my eyes bleed.

    Now Now Ellie you didn’t consider thefrollickingmole’s feelings when made fun of little [email protected]@ks last month. 😎

    PS please numberwang is hear to judge every day and you could have quoted some one else.

  187. johanna

    Nonsense. I have simply speculated on some possible circumstances

    Won’t work. You started out with ‘she was a desperate victim of circumstance’ – with no evidence at all.

    Then, you moved to ‘well, she was just a typical young woman with a sideline’ – ye gods and little fishes!

    Yep, if your daughter was hooking out of a city apartment and then taking months of overseas holidays on the proceeds, that would be ‘just a sideline’ and you would be perfectly fine with that.

    Cover yourself with all the froth and bubble you like, you are a political and moral void with academic pretensions.

  188. Bruce of Newcastle

    No he’s not, he’s a murderer and lowlife.

    JC – I stand corrected. However as far as I know Don King hasn’t publicly advocated murder of 63 million people.

  189. JC

    Don King hasn’t publicly advocated murder of 63 million people.

    Oh okay 🙂

  190. Bruce of Newcastle

    I also see Don Lemon of CNN infamy accused of stinky finger. Believe all women we were told by Xe Lemon.

    There’s the problem.
    The complainant isn’t a woman.

  191. johanna

    Ellie, the trouble with that clip is that it fantasises the high class hooker. That’s not how it is in real life. Not at all.

    In real life, hookers get the unwanted, the unwashed, the drunks, the randy marrieds who think they are God’s gift, and lots of people who are very dodgy for various reasons.

    As calli said, Pretty Woman is a lie.

  192. Black Ball

    Indeed Bruce of Newcastle so interested in the outcome. Oh hang on, Lemon will offer an on air non apology, blame Trump and all will be swimmingly fine.

  193. Farmer Gez

    I propose a hypothetical:

    Australia withdraws aid from the region, leaving the Pacific island nations to get by on what NZ doles out to them. Step up, NZ tax payers!

    I agree Roger.

    Why would you bother being in the playpen with the cargo cult toddlers of the Pacific?
    The Toothy Tsarina can rule over them to her heart’s content.
    NZ – a small nation with small ambitions.

  194. Ellie

    That’s not how it is in real life. Not at all.

    How do you know, Johanna?

    Yes, it can be just like that.

    I agree, however, not for all.

    It’s very sad when anyone in any type of profession doesn’t have control and will sell their soul to just anyone.

  195. Top Ender

    Brendan Nelson stepping down from leading the AWM.

    Aged 60.

  196. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Accepting cash for a carnal transactions is simply trade….

    It’s certainly a trade. Whether it’s always a simple one … that is the question. Comments of mine here and of others addressing the complexity of the issue have not necessarily been about any particular case.

    For the brutally murdered woman it ended horrifically. Understanding rather than judging has been my concern in making any comment at all. Compassion is essential for the victim, as Sinc points out, and also for her family.

  197. feelthebern

    Brendan Nelson stepping down from leading the AWM.

    Hopefully Bandanna man will take his rightful place as leading the AWM.
    He always had his eye on the head job.

  198. bespoke

    notafan
    #3132465, posted on August 15, 2019 at 4:23 pm
    oh and kudos for taking this poor woman’s death and using it to take potshots at people here numbers

    Its like serial killer dismembering bodies, no guilt and totally focused on the pleasure.

  199. Nah, definitely one for Noo Yok’s finest – Columbo.

    So his transfer papers finally came through?
    Columbo was LAPD – but I always knew he was just hankering to get to NY so’s he could do some real policin’

  200. Knuckle Dragger

    The only import of substance from the Pacific Islands is rugby players.

    Otherwise it’s all fat chicks and cannibalism.

  201. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Johanna, you are being foolish again. Off on one of your ridiculous tangents about me, misrepresenting my comments as disordered when they were simply speculation on various possibilities.

    Put the glass down and sober up. You are better than this.
    And I am better than needing to respond to your silliness.

  202. Hopefully Bandanna man will take his rightful place as leading the AWM.
    He always had his eye on the head job.

    Can’t wait to see how the places changes, once Scomo appoints Bandana Pirate to the job.

  203. Frank

    I also see Don Lemon of CNN infamy accused of stinky finger.

    Nah, it is his impeccable CNN multiculturalist credentials at play, a fan of the Dirty Sanchez.

  204. Knuckle Dragger

    Joint I worked at in inner Melbourne wasn’t far from a fair sized building site. We’d wander past from time to time and have a durry and a chat with the tradies.

    One Friday arvo I was speaking to one of them out front, and from inside I could hear cheering and swearing. Turns out it was the traditional Friday raffle. Prize was half an hour with a ladeee of the night at one of the joints on Dudley Street in West Melbourne.

    Gives the term ‘lucky dip’ a new perspective.

  205. Mater

    Bob,
    You didn’t answer my question this morning.
    Is your house connected to the Fibre NBN via overhead electricity service or underground?

  206. feelthebern

    Otherwise it’s all fat chicks and cannibalism.

    & the odd good deep tissue massage.

  207. hzhousewife

    “On Most White People: Destroy Them”
    These people don’t think things through to the end. Once the “white people” have gone, you are left with those special suburbs of Baltimore and Chicago. Now, the non-whites actually think they will end up with the best suburbs of Baltimore and Chicago, but it doesn’t take long to run the neighbourhood down. It is hard to raise oneself up, and a decent amount of work to retain the status quo, work that eludes many people.

  208. Harlequin Decline

    Part 1.
    Time to water the fruit trees I decide.
    Switch on the pump, loud bang, water pissing everywhere and a hole is blown in one of the 2 inch output pipes.
    Dear O Fucking Dear sez me , that’s going to be tricky to fix. Thought the pipe wall was a bit on the thin side after I installed the irrigation system 3 months ago.
    Decide to replace all the pumphouse connections and first 30m of buried pipe with thicker walled stuff and kick off by exhuming the old pipe..
    I’m underway and the girlfriend decides to clean up an unkempt part of the property.
    She enlists her brother ( a village electrician), 2 older chaps and one young bloke.
    Line trimmers are employed plus a device that has a Honda engine mated to something from an industrial revolution slaughterhouse with belts and spinning blades.
    One of the trimmers has problems, multiple problems as it turns out. I drop what I’m doing and get involved. We fix the carburettor, air filter, throttle cable and it still is running rough and won’t idle. Someone has replaced the line trimmer attachment with a blade and installed the bearing upside down . Fingers are pointed at the caretaker who did the change. He plays dumb.
    Now it idles but still runs rough. I pull out the spark plug which is suspiciously oily. Someone has put 2 stroke mix instead of petrol in the tank. No one owns up. The tank is emptied and replaced with petrol. Problems solved.
    I get back to my pump project.
    Girlfriend’s brother plus the young chap get diverted from line trimmer duties to fix an outdoor switch box that got a bit smashed when a stray branch fell on it during a storm.
    The young bloke was very impressive, excellent work ethic, good quality wiring, connections etc . Apparently he did his national service then an electrical trades course and seemed to relish the chance to use his skills. Girlfriend’s brother is loosely supervising.
    After a while the brother gets bored and goes off and sets fire to a large mound of leaves and tree branches on the ground. The flames reach an impressive height, hose pipes are dragged out and don’t reach.
    I am diverted from my project and asked to how to get water onto it. I eye off the flames and tell them-
    “Let the fucking thing burn out, a hose ain’t gunna make any difference “

    TBC

  209. egg_

    Defence barrister Margaret Cunneen, SC, asked Professor Maitz if the vast majority of suicide victims by burning in Sydney were of Indian, Pakistani or Sri Lankan background.

    I for one bow to our new third world sh1thole overlords.

  210. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    That clip was certainly one for the boys, Ellie. 😉

    We wise women know that the big come on works.
    Lots of repressed anger in that vid’s context though.
    That’s the stuff Lorena Bobbitt is made of.
    Watch out guys for girls like that.

  211. Harlequin Decline

    Part 2.
    Light rain begins to fall, the flames give way to an impressive ash cloud which descends over firstly us then the neighbours. I pretend this isn’t happening and get back to the pump project.

    Aaaaaaaand,

    The young bloke electrocutes himself.
    Scorch mark on the hand and a semi numb arm but otherwise still alive. He completes the remainder of the job with much caution.

    I am diverted from my pump project again, I ask the girlfriend to call the electrician who did the initial installation to come and check the circuits. She does nothing. Some time later I ask again.

    “I can’t” she sez.
    “Why not” I sez.
    “ ’Cos I deleted all my contacts”
    This is important as I don’t speak much of the local lingo and she has all the contacts for people who can do things so I enquire-
    “YOU FUCKING WHAT?”
    “It’s not my fault” she explains.
    “ Well it’s not my fucking fault is it” I sympathise.
    I postpone the pump project and go searching for software to restore the contacts.
    Find CoolMuster that brags it can do the job, for $45.
    I pays the money, buys the software, install it aaaaaand,
    It doesn’t work, I read the fine print- it needs the phone to be rooted. By my reckoning it already is but they mean something else.
    I email the company and have my first win of the day-they will refund the money.
    I then discover Google has been syncing all the contacts anyway and I can download them, which I do. Problem solved.
    I drag my arse back to the pump project but by now the rewiring/electrocution job has completed and it is time to test the switches.
    I test the switches. They are not the way they were.
    Lights work but pump doesn’t. However, if you switch on all 12 lights and the pump, it works.

    I decide not to push my luck and call it a day.

  212. Black Ball

    An idea I shall propose to management of local watering holes Knuckle Dragger.

  213. Roger

    NZ – a small nation with small ambitions.

    And a small budget, relatively speaking.

    Can it afford Ardern’s ego?

  214. Ellie

    Lots of repressed anger in that vid’s context though.

    Marrying up the judgment here.

  215. Beachcomber

    Mindfree #3132562, posted on August 15, 2019 at 5:30 pm

    I noticed the recently appointed CEO of Infrastructure Australia is the former head of the green building council australia
    Responsible for the massive increase in construction costs due to green regulations. Her name is Romilly Madew.

    Infrastructure Australia was set up by Labor-Green and should be de-funded and shut down. But of course, the Morrison-Birmingham-LNP government happily continues the cancerous spread of government and puts an openly Green-Marxist social engineer in charge.
    The Morrison-LNP government never fails to disappoint.

  216. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Fun-with-fruit and fire adventures there, Harlequin. Looking forward to the next episode.

    Unheard of looxury, having piped irrigation to your suburban orchard. Hairy requires me to man the garden tap way above as he descends into the tangle of ours, where fruit trees struggle but survive, dependent on our ultra long-hose. Only the olives seem bred to the conditions.

  217. hzhousewife

    HQD, you are a hero, well done on a good job today.

  218. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Marrying up the judgment here.

    Nah. She’s obviously vewy, vewy cross, Ellie.

    Maybe just about this particular jerk, but I suspect it goes deeper than that.

    No phrasing there!!!! Although the way some guys perform, there may be …
    Hookers and pawn stars can have a tough time physically.

  219. Mark from Melbourne

    Nah, definitely one for Noo Yok’s finest – Columbo.

    Johanna, Columbo was never from NY.

    I say that, let me add, knowing that neither was Quincy.

    Both SoCal kinda guys.

  220. egg_

    Infrastructure Australia

    Ministry for Boondoggles?

  221. zyconoclast

    One for the rodent: Rats a cheap street snack in Cambodia

    As he tears off a leg of a charcoal-grilled rat at a roadside stall in western Cambodia, Yit Sarin hails the simple joy of rodent and rice washed down with beer.

    “It’s delicious,” he says of the snack.

    Barbecued field rats are not everybody’s idea of a tasty treat, but in Cambodia’s rural Battambang province they are popular as a quick — and cheap — snack, with small skewered ones going for $0.25 each while larger rodents can cost $1.25.

    Rats were commonly eaten in the 1970s, under the ultra-Maoist Khmer Rouge, when frogs, tarantulas and other small creatures were considered fair game as a means to survive.

    Now they are simply an inexpensive lunch for workers and farmers — though there is disagreement over what its meat tastes like.

    Sarin tells AFP that rat is like “chicken or beef”, whereas others say it’s more like pork.

    He is one of many customers and Cambodian tourists stopping at a stall outside of Battambang town, where rows of grilled field rats are displayed over burning coals and served with dipping sauces made from lime juice, black peppers or chillies.

    Vendor Ma Lis says the snack has grown in popularity since she launched her stall more than a decade ago and sold just a few kilograms a day.

    Today, she can net daily sales of around 20 kilograms, making brisk business from van-loads of travelling Cambodians and the occasional curious foreigner.

    The holiday season also spells bad news for the field rodents — Ma Lis can sell up to 180 large rats a day on the Cambodian New Year or water festival.

    Dismissing any health concerns one might have about eating her unconventional treat, Ma Lis says her rodents are caught from rice fields and are good for you.

    “These rats are healthier than pork and chicken… they eat lotus roots and rice grains,” she says, as she flips the barbecued bodies on the grill.

    Despite the snack’s enduring appeal, many people remain squeamish.

    “They feel it is disgusting,” she says, smiling.

  222. hzhousewife

    Chris Smith knocking it out of the park again tonight, I never knew him on radio so these two weeks have been a revelation to me, I do so hope he gets a good Sky gig very soon.

  223. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Calling it a day sounds like your best option, Harlequin.

    What country are you in? The electricals sound like Sri Lanka circa 1973. 🙂

  224. MatrixTransform

    oh yeah … the Crazy Old Mole found a Chokito !!

    ..thought they were deader ‘n bell bottoms

  225. Tel

    The ‘stay cables’ are 16″ dia. round pipe

    I can’t help thinking that if they had used real stay cables perhaps the bridge would still be OK.

    Thing is, as a truss it’s automatically going to be wobbly because it didn’t have a proper box shape, instead it had only a center portion with top and bottom balanced across the center. That works fine for an object that hangs on the end of a cable, but it’s a garbage design for something holding its own weight. Also the orientation of the triangles was such that the long triangle edges were leaning towards the cable stays, as if a continuation of the tensile force on the cable. Should those steep triangles contain long compression elements, well long compression elements don’t work when they are done with thin reinforced concrete, you need a fat steel tube or something like that. A proper truss bridge has equilateral triangle on both left and right sides and an overall box shape. You can glance at it and see the forces distribute evenly.

    This is what wiki says:

    The full bridge project was styled to look like a cable-stayed bridge, with a pylon tower and high cables for dramatic effect. But functionally and structurally it was actually a truss bridge, with the spans being fully self-supporting.

    Personally … I think only a complete bonehead would build a bridge like that. Dumbest idea imaginable. Even worse than the reserve banks of Australia and New Zealand put together, and that’s saying something.

  226. Roger

    Facing a crisis without precedent, Annastacia Palaszczuk springs into action, demanding the mayor of the SE QLD Granite Belt town of Stanthorpe writes to her with a request for state funding for water carting as the runs out of water. Heaven forbid the premier should take the initiative after today’s meeting with the mayor.

    I seem to recall the LNP deputy premier Jeff Seeney announcing a new dam for Stanthorpe about seven years ago.

    What happened? A Labor government was elected, but not with the assistance of the long suffering folk of Stanthorpe.

  227. Roger

    And now for some real evidence that supports conspiracy theories re Jeffery Epstein’s death, courtesy the WaPo:

    He reportedly sustained multiplebroken bones in his neck, more consistent with strangulation than death by hanging by his own hand.

  228. Knuckle Dragger

    Design bridges.
    Parallel park.
    Bring the ‘right’ handbag.
    Open pickle jars.
    Change a lightbulb, for some reason.
    Put petrol/diesel in a motor vehicle regardless of circumstance.
    Clean golf clubs.
    Carry more than two drinks at a time without a tray.
    Reach the top shelf, notwithstanding that they designed the shelf.
    Build shelves.
    Process the concept of different time zones.

  229. BrettW

    Has the NZ PM taken steps to ban NZ sheep from farting ? If not why not ?

  230. Knuckle Dragger

    The killer appears to have stolen my plan.

    The rotter.

  231. Knuckle Dragger

    Poms to bat after losing the toss.

  232. johanna

    Ellie
    #3132603, posted on August 15, 2019 at 6:22 pm

    That’s not how it is in real life. Not at all.

    How do you know, Johanna?

    Do you ever read what you said? How do I know that not every hooker’s life is encounters in fancy apartments with rich blokes?

    Good grief.

  233. Ellie

    Nah. She’s obviously vewy, vewy cross, Ellie.

    Not sure we’re on the same wave length, Lizzie.

    I’m not judging Johanna.

  234. egg_

    NZ – a small nation with small ambitions.

    And a small budget, relatively speaking.

    Can it afford Ardern’s ego?

    Someone has to follow the horse’s ass with a hessian bag – Peters?

  235. Knuckle Dragger

    Erect a tent.
    Pack a tent.
    Reverse a trailer.
    Detect nuances in conversation.

  236. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Rats. As you all know I am so very old, I can now tell this tale.

    My maternal grandfather took the Kings Shilling during the First World War, a coalminer from the Northern Borders region lured by the prospect of a job in the South Wales coalmines and the attractions of my Welsh maternal grandmother living in those dark vales. He went to war and became a prisoner of the Turks for three years. He recalls walking from Damascus to Basra (think that was it). He was kept in a POW compound and ate rats to keep alive. They tasted edible, he said, when you had little else. He was also shot in the jaw by a Turkish guard’s bullet that entered his neck when he was helping another soldier under punishment in camp, so his jaw was ever after misaligned. He said the Turks were the cruelest people ever. As a little girl I used to put my finger into the bullet hole while he told me the tale of it. The misalignment used to make him dribble, so he always kept a big handkerchief nearby. I didn’t like that bit much.

    Dying from Parkinson’s Disease and thus shaking as well as dribbling, his small war pension helped to keep me in food when I was eleven and living with them in England for eighteen months due to my family having collapsed in Australia. Best eighteen months of my life. My Nana too was one of the toughest women you could ever meet, all five foot one inches of her. She coped with it all, including the death in Wales of their firstborn, little Willie, who fell aged seven playing on some old mine equipment, and ‘broke his back’. My grandfather carried him home and they could do nothing else but wait for him to die. No medical treatment or even aid in the Welsh coalfields in those days. Nana was a traditional wise woman, who did what she could.

  237. Fisky:

    The Morrison government will launch a powerful inquiry into Australia’s migration program, opening the door to further cuts in immigrant numbers and moves to push more migrants into the regions to take pressure off congested areas in Sydney and Melbourne.

    Uh huh.
    The mob responsible for the current immigration cockup will investigate it’s own handling of the result.
    They will suggest that immigrants will be pushed out to the regions.
    The immigrants will immediately move back to the overcrowded cities.
    Yes – we’ve seen these Claytons Inquiries before.

  238. egg_

    Tel
    #3132636, posted on August 15, 2019 at 7:23 pm

    As we’ve agreed before, it wasn’t even a proper truss bridge – likely why the concrete node blew out, which the afore linked Engineering forum positied from the design drawings – the nodes were too weak.

  239. Black Ball

    Healy the Sthalaker need a room

  240. vlad

    The postponement of the announcement of the Cardinal Pell appeal may be an attempt by the court to prevent public rioting when they acquit him; by making it as majestically ceremonial (ie drawn out) as they can.

    Or might not.

  241. Knuckle Dragger

    Moeen Ali finally dumped after getting out 9 of his last 11 innings to Lyon.

    Another ginger, spinner Jack Leach comes in.

    Racist colonialist bastards. Give the darkie another go, you frigging snobs.

  242. Eyrie

    “NZ – a small nation with small ambitions.”
    A modest Nation, with much to be modest about.

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