Open Forum: August 17, 2019

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  1. zyconoclast

    While I have no sympathy for the protesters, it does seem bizarre that it is so easy to arrest and detain US citizens but “apparently” nearly impossible to repel an alien invasion at the southern border.

    Dozens of Catholics arrested at Capitol after protesting Trump immigration policies

    A group of Catholics, wearing photos of migrant children who died in U.S. custody, was arrested Thursday as they protested the Trump administration’s immigration policy.

    Francisan Action Network, a Catholic human rights group, planned the protest calling the border facility conditions a human rights violation and “contrary to religious teachings.”

    Capitol Police spokeswoman Eva Malecki said 70 individuals were arrested for “unlawfully demonstrating in the rotunda of the Russell Senate Office Building.”

  2. zyconoclast

    Satanic Temple to hold first ‘black mass’ in Canada

    It’s a controversial ritual with a gruesome history, but Canadian members of the Satanic Temple say a “black mass” isn’t anything to be afraid of and call it “an expression of personal liberty and freedom.”

    “That freeing expression is found in the blasphemy,” explained Nicholas Marc, the national coordinator for the Satanic Temple in Canada.

    He has been running the group out of Ottawa since 2016. Marc is also the organizer behind the ceremony, which will be held in the capital on Aug. 17.

    “To (the Satanic Temple’s) knowledge this will be the first organized public black mass in Canadian history,” Marc told Global News.

  3. C.L.

    In 1996, Pell molested two 13-year-old boys at St Kevin’s College. While Pell has denied the accusations, evidence brought forward proved that the victim of his crime was telling the truth.

    Where is that from, Dover?

  4. C.L.

    This at Agence-France Presse:

    Father hopes for justice as Cardinal Pell waits on appeal verdict.

    The father of one of the victims of jailed Australian Cardinal George Pell said Monday he hoped “justice would prevail” as a court prepared to rule on an appeal against his conviction of child sex abuse crimes.

    Pell, the former Vatican number three, is appealing against his conviction on five counts of sexually abusing two 13-year-old choirboys in the 1990s, with a court due to hand down its decision on Wednesday.

    The case against the 78-year-old relied solely on the testimony of Pell’s surviving victim, as the other — who never spoke of the abuse — died of a drug overdose in 2014. Neither man can be identified for legal reasons.

    Lawyer Lisa Flynn, who represents the dead man’s father, said he was anxious about the judgment, as were victims of child sexual abuse worldwide.

    She told AFP they were waiting with “bated breath” ahead of “one of the most significant legal decisions in recent history”.

    “He just wants closure so he can try to get on with his life and stop thinking about it every single day,” she said of her client.

    “He has expressed that he would like to see justice prevail and George Pell kept behind bars where he cannot prey on more unsuspecting children.”

    Your son was a heroin addict, pops.
    Maybe you and your estranged wife can tell us why.

    Interesting that dad’s never willing to be named.
    He told Milligan, “Nothing shocks me; I’ve seen a lot of stuff.”
    Only two classes of people say that: one of them is ex-cons.

  5. Mitch M.

    I never realised every two-bit shit-hole country on earth – except Australia – already had the capability to deploy a million or so AI nano drones at a moments notice. I guess that makes the Yanks entire military obsolete.

    Without mass no kinetic energy, no speed and no weapons. They will be blown about by air currents making targeting impossible(check out the jet stream speeds). An EMF pulse will be sufficient to knock them out because shielding is heavy and nano’s won’t have that. Autonomous vehicles work well only within very confined and predictable environments. AI is massively over hyped. The best drones will be large with a good weapon load and long range but still be guided by a human sitting in a facility somewhere.

    All the relevant countries are extending existing hardware because it works. They know far more about military matters than all of us. The USA has already designed a 6th gen fighter, a new stealth bomber, and rolling out new aircraft carrier designs.

  6. JC

    Hey, it’s sustainable.

    A healthy, sustainable, abundant meat alternative is being left to rot all over Australia. Why?

    Analiese Gregory pushes boundaries – and comfort levels. Tasting wallaby for the first time at acclaimed Hobart restaurant Franklin, I recall asking the head chef if it was perhaps lightly cured. “Raw,” she answered matter-of-factly.

    It’s fair to say raw wallaby isn’t to all tastes.

    They’re now trying to talk us into scoffing down giant marsupial rats.

  7. bespoke

    A healthy, sustainable, abundant meat alternative is being left to rot all over Australia. Why?

    Sounds like promoting roadkill.

  8. Tom

    David Rowe’s TDS is having a day off, so it’s Alan Jones derangement day at the anti-business daily.

  9. rickw

    Despite the dismal record of gun control, expect the media and “experts” to use a repertoire of self-justifications rather than modify their beliefs—regardless of what the evidence shows.

    They’re not interested in results, they’re interested in control.

  10. 1735099

    Today’s First Dog is all about Gorgeous Gina.

  11. 1735099

    Koala’s statement –

    Koala has cut ties with Alan Jones. We’re a significant buyer in the medium, and it’s something we should have done earlier. Climate change is real, violence against women starts with words and the bloke has had too many chances.

  12. Mater

    Koala’s statement –

    15 hours behind the times, Bob.
    You’re improving. Normally it’s 50 years.

    wivenhoe
    #3135222, posted on August 19, 2019 at 3:31 pm
    Koala
    @KoalaMattress
    Koala has cut ties with Alan Jones. We’re a significant buyer in the medium, and it’s something we should have done earlier. Climate change is real, violence against women starts with words and the bloke has had too many chances.

  13. Entropy

    If China had any real confidence in its capacity to mount an aggressive campaign it would be doing so. It hasn’t fired a single shot in anger. It is securing sea lanes, it is securing it’s coast against attack. It is even building a canal across the Malaysian peninsula just in case there is a blockade of the Malacca strait but apparently that canal won’t take full tonnage shipping, probably more for military ships.

    The Chinese may or may not have developed explicit imperial ambitions. But they will end up doing so regardless, if for no other reason than defending their investments, trade and raw materials in various third world shitholes.

  14. Leigh Lowe

    The Chinese may or may not have developed explicit imperial ambitions. But they will end up doing so regardless, if for no other reason than defending their investments, trade and raw materials in various third world shitholes.

    You mean like a kind of Greater East Asian Co-prosperity Sphere?

  15. Entropy

    No, more like by default.

  16. Top Ender

    If you go to Koala Mattress’s website you find this sort of waffle:

    thrivability
    We’re working hard to make our business and products more than just sustainable. We want to be Thrivable. This challenges us to find positive outcomes and impacts. We believe that simply doing ‘no harm’ isn’t good enough and business can only thrive if society and nature also thrive. So we’re making ‘thriving’ our version of business as usual.

    Also they make donations to koalas.

    Which means your mattress is more expensive.

    Be sensible. Don’t buy a Koala mattress.

  17. calli

    On Zyco’s kangaroo attack story.

    They show a photo of a female with a very large joey in the pouch. I doubt very much that this is the animal that mauled the little boy. They generally bound away if you get too close.

    The usual suspect is a large male, the harem’s sultan. That would be the two metre attacker.

    In any mob, there are a few younger males, and a coterie of females and joeys. Out on the edges, there are solitary old males. Some of them may become vicious too.

    The two boys were playing. I wonder if, like many visitors I see here, they were getting a bit too close to the females or chasing the joeys. This would bring the big boss in very fast.

    I shouldn’t have to say it, but due to the sensitivities of a few posters here I have to add that I don’t condone roo rage.

  18. calli

    We’re a significant buyer in the medium

    Never heard of them (h/t C.L.)

    I’ve been approached numerous times for radio advertising, once taking it up. Expensive and useless. Best advertising is word of mouth.

  19. calli

    That Steve Bright cartoon is rather funny. A good caricature, and Boris is wearing the BFG version of May’s animal print flats. A nice detail.

  20. calli

    Where is everyone?

    Rise and shine. It’s a beautiful day. 😁

  21. calli

    That was pretty pathetic. I wanted one on an endless loop.

    It’s the Volkswagen of airhorns. Promises goodness, delivers nothing.

  22. DrBeauGan

    Thanks Tom. I get the feeling that the sane people are feeling more optimistic as the loonies get loonier.

  23. Leigh Lowe

    The usual suspect is a large male, the harem’s sultan. That would be the two metre attacker.

    Easy to spot.
    He will be built like he has been on the ‘roids, and sometimes have the rage to match if people cross his path.

  24. John Constantine

    Third world bankrupt kleptocracies that sell out to one belt, one road, then utterly depend upon the Tyrant for life for donations of goodwill. What is expected in return?.

    https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/crown-s-unsavoury-business-links-how-australia-s-casino-got-tied-up-with-criminals-20190724-p52ag0.html

    Their yarragrad quisling regime may have near term hard decisions to make.

    The first six hundred million dollars of taxpayers money, hastily thrown at bailing out the chicom bodgy and dodgy apartment Ponxi was just to prove what andrews Nazgul were willing to do. Now comes the expectations.

    What is Crown Casino really?. A way for wealthy Party linked dealers and cronies to evade chicom laws, or a command and control bunker for soft chicom cultural power?.

    And from an Australian national security point of view, he is a double threat. He also heads several Chinese Communist Party-aligned organisations in Melbourne designed to project Beijing’s influence in Australia.

    It makes him someone of keen interest to organisations such as the Australian Federal Police and ASIO.

    Crown’s phenomenal growth as a global gambling brand has been fuelled by Chinese high roller junket operators. Australia’s proximity to China, the services and perks Crown offers its biggest punters, and the fact the whole operation is legal under Australian law, have made it a magnet for billions of dollars from China.

    The US government has repeatedly warned that some junket operations have, at least in part, been run by the mafia-style criminal syndicates called triads. Triads are expert money launderers, have access to large pools of funds and are effective collectors of unpaid gambling debts because of their propensity to use violence and extortion.

    On Saturday, The Age and the Herald revealed how a powerful and dangerous triad drug syndicate known as The Company was able to do this work with Crown despite its deep criminal links.

    In the first two weeks of 2015, Crown’s internal figures revealed that the “Chinatown” high rollers had gambled $24 million at its casinos. Three months later, that figure had ballooned to $1.452 billion.

    The Crown files suggest Zhou himself was not at Crown’s Perth or Melbourne casinos, but instead overseeing the work of his “sub-junkets” or “Chinatown reps”. Their earnings give an insight into Zhou’s profit-making machine. In the 2016 financial year, Crown records show it paid Chinatown’s representative in Perth $28 million in commissions.

    Crown also vouched to the Australian government about the reliability of Chinese nationals Zhou was bringing to Australia.

  25. DrBeauGan

    Jupes, could you sell a box of 25 Cohiba Esplendidos? If so, how much could you get for it?

  26. John Constantine

    Former head of Border Force, Roman Quaedvlieg, claims that he was lobbied by two ministers and another MP to help “smooth out” the border security process for Crown’s big gamblers arriving from China.

    Crown wanted its high rollers “to land on a private jet at Melbourne airport, receive the minimal amount of clearances, put them in cars, get them into a casino and spending money,” Quaedvlieg says.

  27. notafan

    It’s a hit job on Katrina Lee

  28. John Constantine

    He was also heavily involved in three organisations aligned with the Chinese Communist Party’s United Front operation – the organisation which works to influence Chinese diaspora communities and overseas political systems to advance the aims of the Communist Party.

    Zhou is chairman or has a “guiding” role at the “Hubei Association of Australia (HAA), the Hubei Chamber of Commerce (HCC), and the Huaxing Arts Group of Melbourne (Huaxing),” the latter reporting directly to the United Front Work Department in China.
    Related Article
    Crown casino, Melbourne.
    Crown Unmasked
    Brothel owner and alleged money launderer is Crown casino’s business partner

    The same online report says Huaxing is “fostered” by the Communist Party’s “Overseas Chinese Affairs Office of the State Council” and has “the strong support of the Melbourne Chinese Consulate” as it has strived to earn “the trust of the motherland” and the Chinese government.

    “We shoulder the heavy responsibilities and we’ll undertake such missions,” the Huaxing organisation wrote in a report sent to Beijing in 2018. The report also boasts of its “database that contains contact information of important politicians, major Chinese community groups, celebrities, and artists”.

  29. calli

    Something I have noticed when confronted by the big males in the mob. They pull themselves up to their full height and square their massive shoulders. Clearly making themselves look big and dangerous, which they are.

    They then do a display of front claws, opening them out and splaying them so you can see how big and sharp they are. The feet are the rippers, but it’s the hands that they show. Even then they give you time to change direction. They are, essentially, a peaceful animal.

    Hence my wondering if they were provoked.

  30. Leigh Lowe

    Hmmm … mattress advertising.
    I suspect there might be a bit a leveraging and posturing going on.
    On Macquarie radio in Melbourne, Sleeping Duck mattresses have bought “advertorial” type placements where the host presents a much longer advert, rather than a pre-recorded short advert.
    It seems that the advertorials are sold on an exclusivity basis within categories. That is, a guarantee that no competitor will be given a similar ‘testimonial’ type ad package.
    They also seem to give “clear air” either side of the advertorials free from other adverts, particularly direct competitors.
    Not sure if 2GB does the same.

  31. John Constantine

    The answer may lie in a presentation given by former Turnbull government foreign affairs adviser John Garnaut. Garnaut was for two years the Australian government’s United Front expert, and he worked with ASIO on a still-classified project into the extent of Chinese government interference operations in Australia. The product of that work, the Garnaut Report, was one of the catalysts for Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull to introduce sweeping counter-foreign interference laws in 2017.

    The report has never been released and Garnaut won’t talk about it. But prior to joining government, Garnaut was a decorated China correspondent. In that capacity he examined the Chinese Communist Party’s habit of forging alliances with the triad organised crime groups to achieve political outcomes.

    Multiple reports have documented the use of violent criminals to suppress the democracy movement in Hong Kong, including as recently as last week. In 1993, the chief of China’s domestic security agency, Tao Siju, sparked controversy by saying that: “as for organisations like the triads in Hong Kong, as long as these people are patriotic … we should unite with them.”

    In a 2011 lecture to the US China Institute, Garnaut revealed that Chinese security officials had told him the triads were also used in Australia to help the Communist Party, including by “protecting” the 2008 Olympic torch rally from pro-democracy activists.

    “When I was interviewing security people in Beijing … some of them said to me quite openly, we have got the triads on side” to deal with protesters, says Garnaut. “And that was in Canberra.”

  32. notafan

    Don’t have to do anything, AFAIK, to enrage a large male roo, just be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    Family legend that a great uncle was bailed up in a tree for hours by a large red kangaroo, and that the same roos could and would drown a dog in a dam.

  33. Bruce of Newcastle

    I wonder if Bluescope is as woke as their old parent company?
    Bluescope’s CEO might then be a touch unhappy with Spooner’s cartoon this morning…

  34. John Constantine

    “Assist with immigration and kids’ school. Assist with property investments. Increase credit line.”
    Crown email to sales staff

  35. calli

    I watch the Eastern Greys here every day. There are a couple of mobs on the course. They’re wild, but used to humans.

    On the big reds, I have zero experience.

  36. Leigh Lowe

    I watch the Eastern Greys here every day.

    Eastern Greys?
    Is that Lizzie’s power-walking/jazzercise group?

  37. Mater

    Alan Jones should go on the front foot and go on air and announce a complete list of the advertisers who have withdrawn due to the controversy – just so there can be no mistake or doubts amongst his many listeners.
    Surely none of these (former) advertisers would want any lingering association with such a despicable character?

  38. notafan

    I assumed they were like other herd animals, mating season changes everything.
    fighting for mating rights

  39. Leigh Lowe

    Standby Mater.
    Jones does not forget and does not forgive.
    I suspect some embarassing true tales of the consumer misdeeds of the straying advertisers to get a run.

  40. Entropy

    John Garnault is Ross Garnault’s son and deeply connected to the political class. Bob Carr thinks her s wonderful, so does Turnbull.
    His mother Jane is nice though.

  41. notafan

    Bluescope have taken a hiding.

    I have some of those shares 🙁

  42. John Constantine

    Develop a comparative advantage as a hub for money laundering.

    Not just the casino, but the property ponxi and even the baby formula personal shopping, let alone the gold thing.

    ob is made difficult by the fact that state governments face an obvious conflict of interest regulating casinos because they themselves are partners in the profits. Victoria earned $220 million last year from Crown, and WA $70 million. NSW will earn at least $1 billion in the first 15 years once Crown’s Barangaroo project is up and running.

    A well-run casino industry employees thousands of people, contributes to the economy and helps attract Chinese tourists in what is a very competitive global market. Tough action could drive some big-spending gamblers to casinos in other jurisdictions such as Macau and Singapore, crimping Crown’s profits and the state’s tax revenues.

    But these considerations do not come before all else. Australia cannot develop a comparative advantage as a hub for money laundering, state governments have no business being in indirect partnerships with organised crime and our gaming companies must be above reproach. The “Crown Unmasked” investigation demonstrates we are falling short of these goals at present.

    The yarragrad Ponxi economy is based upon pretending we are not as corrupt as we seem, because our kleptocracy has passed legislation legalising corruption.

    Comrade Maaaaaaaates.

  43. Entropy

    Mater, also identity whoamong the virtue signallers have never previously advertised on his show anyway.

    I think the man impervious to my his stuff anyway. I don’t like his style, especially the way he treated that Toowoomba airport family, but I have even less time for the connected outrage of his enemies.

  44. calli

    I remember that one, nota. The dangers of anthropomorphism.

    The hierarchies here seem to be pretty well defined, but that won’t stop a challenge. I have never seen one, just the young males “boxing”, I presume a practise run for the real thing when they put on bulk and are ready.

    Always fascinating to watch them, always something new to learn.

  45. notafan

    Koala spending millions on advertising and offer four hour delivery and 120 day refunds.

    Maybe they aren’t better, just better advertisers.

    Mattresses are one thing you should try before you buy.

    Offering 120 day returns is a very wasteful business model, what you would expect from a ‘thrivable’ company.

    Be interesting to know the percentage that get sent back.

  46. notafan

    And the returns (and the ‘free express delivery’ ) are built into the price.

  47. calli

    They would have to hold a tremendous amount of stock too, in a variety of locations, to honour four delivery. Huge exposure to any downturn in sales.

    GWGB

  48. Mater

    Jones does not forget and does not forgive.
    I suspect some embarassing true tales of the consumer misdeeds of the straying advertisers to get a run.

    If companies truly felt strongly about it, they could easy and quietly withdraw their advertising.
    By using Twitter to announce it, they do two things:
    1. Demonstrate that they are doing it under duress, and
    2. Salvage whatever they can from their weakness by putting up a facade of virtue.

    As for Sleeping Giants, Bob wrote a letter to Mercedes Benz. What was the last Merc he owned?
    As I understand it, he’s a big fan of a Rice Rockets.

  49. Mother Lode

    It’s a hit job on Katrina Lee

    I notice that the last sentence asks for your opinion of Katrina Lee supporting the Cardinal – God knows why anyone would have an especial opinion on that rather than any other of his supporters – and says to post your opinion in the comments below.

    There seems to be no comments section below.

    I presume that was just the last sentence in the original story elsewhere.

  50. Boambee John

    Mitch M at 2239

    It takes decades to develop aircraft carrier operations which is why the USA has 11 and the rest of the world has a few none of which compare to the USA’s current carriers.

    Indeed.

    The Soviets started in the early 1960s under Gorshkov, and still had not mastered the problem by the fall of the Soviet Union.

  51. stackja

    Plenty of ads on AJ show.

  52. notafan

    Of course not being available in retail outlets, they have to have gimmicks to get people to buy without trying them first.

    Most mattresses are manufactured locally and competition and discounting are fierce.

    Only have to look at places like the golden mile in Nunawading to see that.

  53. Mater

    I think the man impervious to my his stuff anyway. I don’t like his style, especially the way he treated that Toowoomba airport family, but I have even less time for the connected outrage of his enemies.

    I feel much the same.
    Like anyone, I don’t agree with everything he does or how he does it, but the confected outrage is dangerous.

    Compare what people have said to, and about, Trump then compare it to Jones’ comment about Ardern. I smell hypocrisy in the air.

  54. John Constantine

    Victoria’s China Strategy provides a plan to:

    support economic growth in Victoria and in China
    deepen our understanding of each others’ people and culture.

    It set four ambitious ten-year targets from 2016 to 2026, across trade, investment, visitors and students.

    The 2018 progress report highlights the achievements and successes since the initial strategy was launched.

    In the first 2 years, 2 of the 4 key targets have already been exceeded. Victoria has received more investment and more postgraduate students from China than the established targets. We’re on track to surpass all targets by 2026.

    The progress report also highlights the strength of our cultural ties and people-to-people links, showcasing:

    our shared success in education, government and cultural collaboration
    how we are achieving our vision of becoming Australia’s gateway to Asia.

    The Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) on the Belt and Road Initiative agreed between Victoria and the People’s Republic of China in October 2018 is a high-level document.

    It provides a framework for future cooperation, including:

    dialogues and exchanges
    joint research
    knowledge sharing
    capacity building

    The MOU does not bind Victoria to any specific project or initiative.

    The Government will consider both Victoria’s and the national interest before agreeing to any specific activity.

    The MOU is not legally binding and this is specified in the MOU.
    Belt and Road Initiative Memorandum of Understanding
    pdf 149.47 KB

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/daniel-andrews-defends-outstanding-staffer-linked-with-china/news-story/1d581d1f027cdfaed70d3841fa51386b

  55. Leigh Lowe

    Offering 120 day returns is a very wasteful business model, what you would expect from a ‘thrivable’ company.

    I heard that in the last few weeks on 3AW and thought “desparate”.
    I think the afore-mentioned Sleeping Duck are giving them the Koala a kaning in Melbourne.
    The Duck emphasises “Melbourne designers”, so not sure about other states.

  56. notafan

    It says something about the person who chose to post the link here.

    I’ve noticed, over the years, a pretext of being supportive of Cardinal Pell while throwing carefully selected mud.

    But it’s a puppet of a Catholic hatin’ atheist, so you get that.

  57. bespoke

    calli
    #3135736, posted on August 20, 2019 at 7:21 am

    Hence my wondering if they were provoked.

    Yep that’s my take. I’m surrounded by them every day (except today woohoo) . Big males just lay there as long a I s stay outside the two metre . The only time was when a little joey came up to me and started screeching, nerver herd anything like it and bolted before the mob came.

  58. struth

    Good Moaning.
    I see an anti free speech activist, pretending to be offended by metaphoric Australian slang, to silence opinion that goes against the cultural Marxist anti western insanity he’s been pushing all his life, get’s no push back from this blog.
    We know Sniffy Mc Fuckstick is a self centered , fuck Australia, died in the wool, anti western communist C..nt and on this blog admits to working with threats toward companies advertising on shows where people use words he doesn’t want to here.
    Fine, that’s what dead c..nts do.
    He tells us this is what he is doing.
    He is a member of the sleeping Midgets, or at least works with them.
    But to then let him have free range here is just too much.
    Surely, he has crossed a line , Sinclair?

    I bring this up, because I have long believed that the Libertarian view that anti democratic, anti western commos fighting to r id this country of it’s freedoms by using it’s freedoms is a croc.
    You don’t give people pushing for the end of voting, the vote, and you don’t give people FIGHTING against free speech, free speech.
    There are easy and recognisable lines to draw.
    I have never called for his banning until he admitted to threatening companies that advertise on programs he wants to destroy, because he is frightened of facts and reason.
    We demolish his arguments, yay, that’s a good thing.
    We expose left wing hypocrisy using him, that’s a good thing.
    He can’t defend why he thinks Hitler was right wing.
    He ignores much his ignorance can’t answer.
    All great stuff to expose, so using him is great.
    But there is a principle involved here.
    Alinsky rules also apply.
    Let the enemy live up to it’s own rules.

    In a free western country, socialism and communism are enemies to it’s system to maintain that freedom, and that’s just a fact.
    We’re seeing this as plain as the noses on our faces now as we have throughout history.
    You should not enjoy or use in the fight, those things you are fighting to destroy.
    It’s time for some other lefties to take his place.
    This one should go Sinclair.
    He is actively fighting against what hundreds of thousands of Volunteer Australian men died for, and in this case I would suggest there should be a duty felt to act.
    Hiding behind coward Libertarian values here is not good enough.
    So I ask you , Sinclair, to either ban this one, or at least, give him some time out in the naughty corner to reflect on his hypocrisy and feel a bit of his own medicine, or let us know your reasoning for maintaining his right toward what he fights against.

  59. Mater

    As I said, hypocrisy:

    1735099
    #3113017, posted on July 22, 2019 at 1:24 pm

    Interesting morning renewing my first aid qualifications…
    …One amusing aspect was the group’s reaction to the manikins used for CPR drills.
    All were bald, except for one that had fake hair of an orange tone.
    It was the subject of a great deal of mirth and derision because of its resemblance to the snake oil merchant currently occupying the White House.
    One remark had everybody in stitches – “I wouldn’t bother resuscitating that one – it looks too much like Donald Trump”.

    This from a thirty year old running a private child care centre, in conservative Toowoomba.

    I guess it didn’t involve socks.

  60. duncanm

    So getup have been caught with a charity being run in the same office, by the same bunch of people.
    (paywallian)

    A little digging into this Charity’s financials turns up some interesting tidbits..
    * where did $1.7M donations in 2016 come from ? This is a one off, previous and subsequent years’ total donations are in the $20k range
    * Despite buying very little computer hardware, they acquired almost $1M (actually $940k) of software license assets “at cost” in 2016, which they are depreciating at $380k / year.. That sounds like a nice way to hide any profits.

  61. Knuckle Dragger

    Roos.

    All the high-falutin’ city types who’ve never walked on dirt believe they’re a loving, peaceful, gentle animal slaughtered in the millions by good ole boys fanging around paddocks in utes full of piss with spotlights and four different types of rifle. While this is excellent fun and recommended, they only knock off a few thousand.

    They are vicious bastards. They will lure chasing dogs into dams and then hold them under with their hind legs till they drown.

    In any mob of roos, especially during rooting season you’ll see them just lazing around chewing on stuff. Except one. As calli noted, this one – by far the biggest – will rise to full height, turn square on to you with pecs flexed and stare you out.

    ‘The fuck you lookin’ at? Am I wearin’ your shirt xunt?’

    Get too close then, and it’s on like Donkey Kong.

  62. feelthebern

    Offering 120 day returns is a very wasteful business model, what you would expect from a ‘thrivable’ company.

    Especially after what I’ve done to it.

  63. Old School Conservative

    Hiding behind coward Libertarian values here is not good enough.

    Good points all struth.
    I would add that numbers uses the freedom to post uncensored here whilst banning all comments on his own blog.
    Hypocricy writ large.

  64. calli

    I think the man impervious to my his stuff anyway. I don’t like his style, especially the way he treated that Toowoomba airport family, but I have even less time for the connected outrage of his enemies.

    This isn’t really about Jones per se.

    It’s about Shut Up! and a big scalp warns the annoying tiddlers that they’re next if they step out of line.

    Bereft of convincing argument, the perpetually offended activist’s only weapon is a gag.

  65. notafan

    The fact that is is well known that eastern greys makes regularly kill females in mating season puts a lie to the ‘peaceful kangaroo’.

    All grazing animals eat and lie around, only moving on in search of new feed.

    Reminds me of that wagu beef guy that felt guilty about feedlotting so moved his herd to a bigger property and was surprised that the cows simply ate the grain then lay down, no 8km stroll to keep fit afterwards.

  66. calli

    Something for BoN on Seven this morning.

    Chilli eating. They’ve got the Carolina Reaper, natch. But…held aloft is a new contender – The Toe of Satan. Five times the heat of the CR.

    I dares ya, Bruce! 😁

  67. Mother Lode

    Alan Jones should go on the front foot and go on air and announce a complete list of the advertisers who have withdrawn due to the controversy – just so there can be no mistake or doubts amongst his many listeners.

    He would be doing them a favour, surely. They want to advertise their SJW creds.

    What Jones should do is work on exposing Somnambulist Gimps and the companies that cravenly caved, preaching the lines fed to them by that malign little clutch of astroturfers, breaking trust with their customers and with themselves.

    Is there no entrepreneur more interested in plying honest trade with people who want their product than in panicking at the tut-tutting of handful of social justice scolds who would not buy their products in a pink fit anyway?

  68. bespoke

    All the high-falutin’ city types who’ve never walked on dirt believe they’re a loving, peaceful, gentle

    Yep again never ever tun your back on them they are like cat’s .

  69. Leigh Lowe

    Mater

    #3135771, posted on August 20, 2019 at 8:04 am

    As I said, hypocrisy:

    Fake lefty parable #726.

  70. calli

    will rise to full height, turn square on to you with pecs flexed and stare you out.

    Heh. Met one on the cart bridge one morning. Like Little John, he was in the middle of the span and gently moving forward. Then he spotted me.

    Up he went, flexing and splaying and staring.

    Naturally, I retreated. I know when I’m out roo-ed.

  71. Knuckle Dragger

    Koalas.

    Wombats that can climb. A completely useless animal that, if it puts its mind to it, will give you the same treatment as a possum playing dead hanging upside down on a barbed wire fence. They stink, and their form of greeting is to piss on you. Which also stinks.

    All the screechy do-gooders seem to believe that they’re a) sooo cute, and b) they’re in imminent danger of extinction because – get this – Australia is running out of gum leaves.

    But no. Furry and cute, using their widdle claws to climb trees to escape their (non-existent) predators.

    Well, you know what else is furry with claws? Fuckin’ polar bears. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence wouldn’t have chosen this purposeless halfwitted car wrecker to name a mattress company after. They deserve everything they get.

  72. Leigh Lowe

    Bereft of convincing argument, the perpetually offended activist’s only weapon is a gag.

    A gag?
    Not a sock down the throat?

  73. struth

    The fact that is is well known that eastern greys makes regularly kill females in mating season puts a lie to the ‘peaceful kangaroo’.

    And bloody female emus lay the eggs and just walk away.
    The father is distraught and left to incubate and then raise the chicks.

    Disgraceful behaviour.
    That’s why male emus, once bitten, twice shy, run so fast.

  74. notafan

    That Twitter thread on dating trans is interesting.

    Lots of comments similar to what has been said here before.

    But yes attraction is generally unconcious and the reasons why are attracted to person a or b are outside of our control.

    And the biological drive to reproduce might have something to do with it.

  75. calli

    Dogs and arsonists are the koala’s biggest threat.

  76. Bruce of Newcastle

    Calli – Ah, no. I can just manage nibbling a habanero from Coles. Maybe you’re meaning Bruce from WA? We Bruces are ranked by Scoville too.

  77. Leigh Lowe

    notafan

    #3135767, posted on August 20, 2019 at 7:51 am

    It says something about the person who chose to post the link here.

    I’ve noticed, over the years, a pretext of being supportive of Cardinal Pell while throwing carefully selected mud.

    But it’s a puppet of a Catholic hatin’ atheist, so you get that.

    Who posted it?

  78. calli

    Sorry, Bruce. For some reason I thought you were an aficionado. 🌶

  79. notafan

    Distraught?

    Are you anthropomorphisming?

  80. notafan

    A single letter of the alphabet LL

  81. 1735099

    I would add that numbers uses the freedom to post uncensored here whilst banning all comments on his own blog.

    I have never banned comments on my blog.

    It’s about Shut Up! and a big scalp warns the annoying tiddlers that they’re next if they step out of line.

    I don’t advocate banning Jones, either.
    He and his employers can live with the consequences of his bullshit.
    He makes a living from selling hate and fear, after all.

  82. feelthebern

    I heard of devils tongue chilli.
    Not devils toe.

  83. notafan

    The same one that posted justice Kidd’s sentencing remarks with the condematory comments bolded, as though those remarks would weigh with the appeal court.

    There are older examples.

  84. Mother Lode

    Holy cow, mater.

    What a funny, silly little life he has.

    Anyway, in case no one has posted it yet:

    A Song About Birds.

  85. stackja

    Florida’s Palm Trees Are In Danger From An Invasive Bacterial Disease

    Florida – An invasive bacteria disease is killing tens of thousands of Florida’s palm trees.

    Lethal bronzing turns the trees into dried up crisps in just months and there is no chance of recovery once a tree is infected.

    The disease originates in Mexico and is believed to have been brought to Florida during Hurricane Wilma in 2005.

    It is spread by a rice-sized plant hopping insect, called the haplaxius crudus, and first appeared near Tampa in 2006, but it’s now found across the state.

    The disease spread when winds blow infected bugs to new territories or they hitched rides on vehicles, this bug is particularly attracted to white cars.

    The bug injects the bacteria into the tree through its saliva when eating the sap from the palms leaves.

    Once the bacteria is inside a tree, the cells migrate to its base, multiplying until they clog the circulatory system, choking and killing the tree within six months.

  86. struth

    John Williamson sang about “our Koalas are all dying” and goodbye Blinky Bill…etc.
    In the late 1980’s !!
    The prick should be too embarrassed to get up on stage anymore.

    And by the way, the Tasmanian Wedge tail eagle may be endangered, but like the Koala there are millions of Wedge tail eagles around.
    Gazillions.

  87. notafan

    I write to advertisers demanding they withdraw so the employing company either sack the presenter or go broke

    But I don’t demand banning!

    It’s the niceties that matter!

  88. Mater

    He would be doing them a favour, surely.

    I don’t think so, Mother Lode.
    Facebook indicates to me that most regular people think this whole issue has been way overblown. Additionally, most think that his intent, if not the exact wording, was spot on – that is, mind your own business.

    Making people, who don’t inhibit the sewer of Twitter, aware of this craven cowardice, would do significant damage to the companies involved. For example, I didn’t know that Snooze was also involved until I looked it up this morning through SBS. I’ve spent tens of thousands of dollars with them over the last decade. No more. No company that openly involves itself with politics will get my custom. Companies (as an entity) can have a say, when they get the vote -that is, never.

    Lefties are aware because they live in that space. Make average people aware of all this ridiculousness, and watch the unintended consequences.

  89. Sinclair Davidson

    1735099 – yesterday you accused a fellow threadster of making death threats against you. Please do not do that. I have zero-tolerance for that sort of thing. It makes the Cat an unpleasant place. We are supposed to enjoy each others company here.

  90. struth

    He makes a living from selling hate and fear, after all.

    They’re just embarrassing speech clones.
    The all seem to read the same script, word for word.
    True sheep.

  91. feelthebern

    How many rounds left to go in the AFL?
    Mathematically, can Freo still make it?

  92. bespoke

    Has numberwang ever led by example? Short answer is no . Credibility is built over time not by proclamation.

  93. Sinclair Davidson

    On a lighter note – the very first death threat I ever received was a case of mistaken identity.

  94. Geriatric Mayfly

    For those offering prayers to Gaia for the wellbeing of that apprentice harridan, here’s the latest.

    Malizia II tracker with Greta on board
    Last seen: 6 min
    Location: 41.00881,-29.09454
    Speed: 14.8 kn
    Heading: 243°
    Temp: 25.0°C / 77°F
    Distance to NYC: 2018NM (Line-of-sight)
    Est. Distance past 24 hrs: 258NM
    Est. Distance covered: 1391NM

  95. Mother Lode

    Reminds me of that wagu beef guy that felt guilty about feedlotting

    Wagyu (harmony-cow) beef where the cow has not been given beer or massaged is just a cheap knock off.

  96. John Constantine

    https://www.afr.com/young-rich/2018-young-rich-list-steve-smith-debuts-even-after-a-horror-year-20181024-h171dp

    https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/company-news/steve-smith-reportedly-invested-dollar100000-in-mattress-startup-koala-in-2015-%E2%80%94-now-its-netted-him-more-than-his-whole-cricket-career/ar-AAFI8hE


    Australian cricketer Steve Smith has even more to celebrate than the latest Ashes victory. It’s been revealed that Smith invested $100,000 in local mattress start-up Koala way back in 2015.
    With its most recent valuation, Smith’s stake is now estimated at $12.18 million — more than he’s earnt from cricket according to the Australian Financial Review.
    Smith is also a brand ambassador for the company. His status as one of the best batsman in the world has no doubt been a coup for Koala, which has gone on to be valued at $150 million.

    Somebody needs to mention reweighting to Smudge, after a stellar run in mattresses he could consider taking some profits and spreading his risk a little.

  97. bespoke

    We are supposed to enjoy each others company here.

    What!!!??

  98. feelthebern

    Wagyu became passe when Macca’s started their wagyu burger.

  99. calli

    I’ve only had one. By a halfwit who casually informed me during a dispute that he had a firearm at home.

    The phone has been ex-directory forever.

    The joys of the building industry.

  100. Knuckle Dragger

    Apropos of absolutely nothing, I would like to take this gratefully accepted opportunity to remind each and every Cat that I love you.

    Not romantic love. Not even lust masquerading as love (with certain exceptions). Heart-pounding, nostril-flaring, soul-bursting spiritual love. Except the poofs.

    Ah, the hell with it. Even the poofs.

  101. Cassie of Sydney

    “This isn’t really about Jones per se.

    It’s about Shut Up! and a big scalp warns the annoying tiddlers that they’re next if they step out of line.”

    That’s right….as Paul Murray said in a very good editorial last night…it’s about Sleeping Midgets and other far-left activist groups trying to shut down conservative and right-wing opinion or anyone who “dares” to think outside their far-left mindset….as I wrote in my comment yesterday on the Oz…this pernicious organisation and their activist midgets have already gone after Andrew Bolt and Paul Murray…targeting advertisers on their programmes…and as I further wrote….if they are successful with scaring advertisers off Sky News and 2GB…..where will it end? Then they will start on companies who advertise in media like The Australian…because..guess what…they don’t like News Corporation either and would love to shut it down. That is why a stand has to be taken…by advertisers and also also by us….we need to write/ring these companies and say..okay then…if you pull the plug on Sky News or 2GB….then we’ll pull the plug on you.

    Sleeping midgets is a fascist organisation…..an Australian branch of the American Soros funded Media Matters. All it would take is for senior management need to tell these adolescent midgets to “f*ck off”…..well perhaps they should use politer parlance.

  102. Mater

    On a lighter note – the very first death threat I ever received was a case of mistaken identity.

    First one I ever got (other than enemy combatants) was from a Union Shop Steward. Having used my name, I reckon I was the intended target. 😉

  103. stackja

    Geriatric Mayfly
    #3135812, posted on August 20, 2019 at 8:42 am

    How green is Greta Thunberg’s transatlantic trip?

    Is the trip 100% zero-carbon on a carbon fibre racing yacht?
    That’s what many sailing experts are wondering.

    Malizia say that building this type of racing boat needs three tonnes of carbon fibre, moulds for hull and deck, a number of construction materials and various resins.

    It says the boatyards that construct the yachts are aware of the resulting and indisputable environmental impact during boat construction and attach great importance on a sustainable building process.

  104. Knuckle Dragger

    Death threats are waaaaay overrated, by the way.

    Even funnier are the loud, unspecified threats that some unspeakable action may occur when I least expect it, when I’m down the shops. Or when I’m asleep.

    The fact that this bluster has just made them a constant target escapes them.

    Mansour, who runs the kebab stand on the next block from my own small enterprise, knows not what he has done.

  105. stackja

    Sydney Airport auctions off lost property online for charity

    It appears people really travel with the most bizarre things. Items which have been lost at Sydney Airport and lay unclaimed for 60 days are now up for sale. Apart from the expected laptops and mobile phones, a zebra statue, Dyson vacuum and a hotplate BBQ are also being auctioned off — with all proceeds going to charity.
    Jessica McSweeney, The Daily Telegraph
    Subscriber only

    August 19, 2019 5:48pm

    A zebra statue, a vacuum and a Betty Boop costume are among items left behind by hapless travellers at Sydney Airport that are now being auctioned for a good cause.

    The Sydney Airport Lost Property Auction kicked off today with up to 2000 items available with the starting price as little as $1.

    Sydney Airport spokesman Josh Clements said the items for sale have been left unclaimed by travellers.

    “We have more than 44 million passengers coming through Sydney airport every year. Unfortunately a large volume of people leads to a large volume of lost items. We make every effort to reunite people with their lost items but of they remain unclaimed for over 60 days this is where they end up,” he said.

    After this, other items such as jewellery, cosmetics, wine and spirits, handbags and clothing, and smartphones and laptops will be available for purchase until August 28.

    Popular lost items include laptops, alcohol, cameras, earphones and sunglasses while designer goods such as Dolce and Gabbana perfume, a Louis Vuitton bag, a Tiffany and Co bangle and a Gucci belt are also available.

  106. stackja

    stackja
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    #3135823, posted on August 20, 2019 at 8:52 am

    ???
    I am mystified!

  107. struth

    I don’t advocate banning Jones, either.

    He and his employers can live with the consequences of his bullshit.

    He makes a living from selling hate and fear, after all.

    translation;
    He und hiz employers vill live viz ze consequences of opposing ze Fuhrer……………..

  108. Roger:

    Weimar Australia, you’re standing in it.

    + gazillion
    A lot of people have no idea just how morally bankrupt the Weimar Republic was, nor are they aware of precisely which books were being burnt.
    I repeat – society is not a ratchet – it is a pendulum.

  109. 1735099

    Good Moaning.
    I see an anti free speech activist, pretending to be offended by metaphoric Australian slang, to silence opinion that goes against the cultural Marxist anti western insanity he’s been pushing all his life, get’s no push back from this blog.

    I’m not offended, nor am I a Marxist, Communist, or whatever is the current label applied to anyone posting here departing from the Catallaxy orthodoxy.

    Surely, he has crossed a line , Sinclair?

    What line is that? The line that demands that anyone who dares to disagree with the Catallaxy orthodoxy isn’t allowed to post? There’s a fair lump of hypocrisy in that notion, the notion that says you censor someone because he speaks freely.

    You don’t give people pushing for the end of voting, the vote, and you don’t give people FIGHTING against free speech, free speech.

    The people pushing for the end of voting are those who want to put an end to the Australian system of universal compulsory voting, in favour of the system used across the Pacific where voter suppression is an art form.

    He can’t defend why he thinks Hitler was right wing.

    The only people who believe Hitler was Left wing are those who read Brietbart and believe the crap posted there.

    He is actively fighting against what hundreds of thousands of Volunteer Australian men died for, and in this case I would suggest there should be a duty felt to act.

    You have a very tenuous grasp of our country’s history. In the first place, the bulk of Australian casualties in war were during World War 1, when around 60000 died. They were fighting for God and country, not against Communism. When we were threatened by Right wing imperialism from Japan in World War Two, the casualties amounted to around 27000. That war was the only one where Australia was under existential threat, and it’s instructive to recall that the threat emanated from a Right wing Axis.
    The there was Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, none of which involved defending Australia from existential threat. 500 or so died in Vietnam, 200 or so conscripts. They were good men, but were defending the incumbent Coalition government, not the nation (despite what they were told). You pulled the “hundreds of thousands” figure from your backside, the location of most of your opinions. Your ignorance of our military history dishonours those men and women who died in war.

    So pull your head in. You are vastly ignorant, totally bigoted, and if you read my posts, you might actually learn something.

  110. struth

    I realise you won’t engage with me Sinclair, but I would like an answer to my question.
    I consider what you put up with just running this blog, especially in the communist university system you exist in, and appreciate it , as you know, you do enough good for ten men.
    However, there is a principle here, and to use number’s own words, he can live with the consequences of his bullshit.
    He should be happy to be silenced.
    He finds no problem in attempting to silence his political opponents, so why should he not be afforded the same in return?

  111. dover_beach

    It’s a hit job on Katrina Lee

    Tolkien on fair-weather friends:

    Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens.

  112. Knuckle Dragger

    ‘spreading hate and fear’

    People don’t really care about hate and fear, which has been around since we came out of the trees.

    People, in my humble opinion, care about not being able to scratch or beg for their next meal. They care about their families not being murdered and/or roped and set on fire in the street. They care about having some form of choice as to how they live their lives, and how their taxes are spent.

    People who support ideologies that can’t or won’t deliver these basic things know this. That’s why they devolve, and scream that everything that differs from their worldview is somehow hateful, and to be feared.

    Not all the time, but most of the time, if you get the basic stuff right people will follow you out of the trenches seven days a week.

  113. Top Ender

    My new company is called Shark Mattress.

    Our motto: “We put the Bite on You”.

  114. bespoke

    I always take threats seriously as to many nutters out there and ones made jokingly create fog for the real ones. Screen cap and save Emails.

  115. Sinclair Davidson

    He should be happy to be silenced.

    I am not happy to silence people.

    We have a minimum of rules here – I expect people to use their good judgement. Yes, I know! What am I thinking?

  116. Mother Lode

    He would be doing them a favour, surely.

    Hi mater,

    I was being kind of sarcastic.

    The pandering businesses are pretending to be making a stand on principle, of which they ought to be proud.

    In fact they are just reacting, trying to placate Somnambulist Gimps without having drawing Jones’ fan base attention to the fact they are stabbing him in the back.

    They are treading along a high wire, trying to keep their balance and in perpetual fear of falling, hoping no one will notice they are actually without principle.

  117. Top Ender

    Roo talk reminds me of Brendan the Bastard.

    HMAS Creswell in Jervis Bay is surrounded by a national park, and the rats of the park are the wallabies and roos.

    Creswell has a grass parade ground, much to the consternation of any visiting Army types, who like boot-stamping and other ritualistic parts of their parades. The grass is kept down by allowing the roos to go where they please. We used to live behind the wardroom up on the hill – about 200m from the officers’ mess – and rarely had to mow the front lawn of the house, as the roos kept it down. Our cat used to stalk them, only to decide not to when he’d got to within two or three metres of an unconcerned animal.

    Brendan had a red collar due to him being aggressive. He’d growl at anyone who got within a few metres, and on occasion had tried to attack people.

    Best Brendan episode was when he decided to lie down just outside the main door of the Advanced Management and Leadership Faculty where I worked. Two classes of trainees were trapped inside at 1530 when they were due to leave. Finally the fire exit was employed to allow the warrior class of the ADF to go home, grateful no initial trainees were around to see their ignominious exit.

  118. 1735099

    1735099 – yesterday you accused a fellow threadster of making death threats against you. Please do not do that.

    First of all, I did not “accuse” anybody.
    I directed a question at a blogger who abuses me daily in the foulest terms.
    Generally I ignore her, but it occurred to me that anyone with that degree of bile in their system is capable of anything.
    Perhaps you should read your own blog from time to time.
    I am vilified here daily as a coward, a p3dophile, a person with a mental illness, of neglecting my wife as she battles with a life-threatening illness, and my lifetime work is characterised as “spastic herding”.
    Disgusting remarks directed at my wife were let through by you without comment, even though other posters balked at them.
    None of this bothers me much, but if I respond in kind, these same abusers complain to you.
    My error has been exactly that (to reply in kind), but you own this blog, and are responsible for the tone. Your tolerance for posters abusing each other prevents the development of a better (and more informative) standard of discussion. As an academic, I assume you would value that aspiration.
    I have indeed had death threats, and one of them was from a person who specified this blog as the source of his ire. I simply reported that fact. I did not report that specific incident to the police. Perhaps I should have.
    You need to address your complaints to those who abuse, vilify and smear. You might do a better job of hosting this site if you did so.
    I find it a useful source in terms of the material it provides for my research. Unfortunately, at the moment I’m the only poster who provides a counterpoint, and analyzing the responses has become very useful. If there were more making counterpoints, that would open up discussion further.
    Have a think about how you mange this site. You could do a much better job.

  119. struth

    Boy, that last post should have you wishing you had been silenced, Sniffy.
    You’ve just made another dick of yourself.
    Anyone except for you, reading what you just wrote, will know we’ve just made your head explode, so I don’t need to reply, because I’m not here for you, I’m here to expose your type, and you’ve just done that brilliantly. However, again, Sinclair, with all the good it does exposing hypocrisy and twisting of arguments etc, I feel strongly still, that he needs to live by his own standards.
    That of actively working against free speech.
    Take his here, if just to teach the dumb prick a lesson, even though you know he’ll never learn it.
    And do it for the lives of those Australians who gave their lives fighting for the freedoms that are not free, but hard fought and won, against totalitarian scum like numbers, no matter what he calls himself.

  120. Mater

    I was being kind of sarcastic.

    Sorry, Mother Load. My SARCADAR was mis-calibrated, temporary.

    You’re right. They should be proud of their decision and Jones should assist in spreading their virtue to those his listeners who might not be fully aware of the ‘wokeness’ of these companies.

  121. struth

    What line is that? The line that demands that Alan Jones or anyone who dares to disagree with the Left wing orthodoxy isn’t allowed to speak publicly? There’s a fair lump of hypocrisy in that notion, the notion that says you censor someone because he speaks freely.

    I’ll just pick one for the fun of it, but then must get out of here.
    FMD.
    There just can’t be any mirrors in a lefty household.

  122. bespoke

    Last time I checked (a long time ago) lefty blog talking points was that Australia could have fended of the Japanese all by itself. I bet numberwang isn’t tolling those blogs to defend the truth. Or has been banned for his tedious repetition.

  123. struth

    Just the thought of being silenced is quite agitating for numbers, as we can see.
    He hasn’t yet had his own tactics metered out back to him and he’s getting jumpy.
    And that caused his brain fart above.
    They are open books of hypocrisy, and if it weren’t for double standards………………..
    You get nowhere giving them what they wish to take from others.

  124. struth

    How long is the west going to play on unequal playing fields with the socialists and communists in this world, from the insane bureaucrats of the UN , their pals the Chicoms, and their’s in our governments and schools, and even down to blogs like these where we let them do whatever they want on an unequal footing?
    The time has come to fight fire with fire.
    In fact, it’s well past.

  125. Top Ender

    Anyone who thinks Australia could have defended itself in WWII might like to check the aerial defence of Darwin when the bad guys arrived.

    10 x P-40 Kittyhawk fighters, flown by the USAAF.

    Against 188 incoming Japanese aircraft, 36 of which were Zeroes.

    Score was 9/10 USAAF shot down; four died; one flew away.

  126. Black Ball

    Good morning all.
    Listening to the local AM band here early this morning and the host has an American bloke discussing the events of the day. Now correct me if I am wrong but I believe 3 mass shootings were stopped before there was any casualty because of concealed carry people pulling their guns? Was very early when I heard this report.

  127. stackja

    Top Ender
    #3135869, posted on August 20, 2019 at 9:48 am

    The yanks at Coral Sea, Midway and Guadalcanal.
    And the delaying tactics at Kokada.

  128. Bruce of Newcastle

    We’re from the Democrat Party and we’re here to help…
    Ilhan Omar And Nancy Pelosi Visit Ghana Together After ‘Send Her Back’ Chants (2 Aug)

    Rep. Karen Bass (D-Calif.), the chairwoman of the caucus, called the visit a “profoundly significant trip” and added that Pelosi’s presence “says a great deal about the historical ties between our countries and reaffirms our commitment to Ghana and to the continent of Africa.”

    Maybe the Ghanaians would be better off without such commitment from a bunch of socialists:

    “Horror” In Ghana As A Third Of Banks Shutter, Sparking Unprecedented Bank Run (19 Aug)

    It’s bad enough that drought-like conditions and rapid population growth have stoked a shortage of water and other vital resources in Ghana, a country that boasts one of the fastest growing economies on Earth (if it is still poor). But a banking crisis is just now roiling the country’s economy, and has wiped out $1.6 billion.

    Two weeks is a long time in an African country.

  129. bespoke

    It was based on some ‘definitive’ book Top Ender and a lot what if’s but cant remember the title.

  130. Mother Lode

    How green is Greta Thunberg’s transatlantic trip?

    How Green Was My Rally.

    A coming of rage story of Aspergers afflicted changeling who precociously displays a neurosis normally found in warmies twice her age, and with the magical talent for seeing CO2. Little Greta, forever isolated from the world due to the inpenetrable veil of opaque atmospheric CO2, nevertheless preaches her faith, blind to the jet planes, the mansions, the plastics, the electricity and so on that her audience consumes with hypocritical gusto even as they rail against them, and upon which her movement glides like a slug on its mucus.

  131. Rae

    I am not happy to silence people.

    Lol.

  132. DrBeauGan

    I just cooked myself fried ham and eggs and triggered the smoke alarm. All the neighbours came to laugh at me through the kitchen window.

    I’m used to an electric cooker and this one is gas, and fierce by comparison.

    I reckon I have it figured out now.

    Jupes, are you alive?

  133. DrBeauGan

    Spiky wants me to take a bottle of mananza back for her. I reckon all my space will be taken up by cigars.

    Spiky is too tough and successful to trigger my protective instincts. In fact she has offered to take me out to a French restaurant next time I am in sinny. I have accepted.

    I don’t think the offer was contingent on getting a bottle of Mananza. I hope not.

  134. zyconoclast

    Britain’s most senior counter-terrorism officer has said the police and security services are no longer enough to win the fight against violent extremism, and the UK must instead improve community cohesion, social mobility and education.

    Basu rejected notions that British M00slims should “assimilate” and defended the rights of religious conservatives of all faiths, saying: “Assimilation implies that I have to hide myself in order to get on. We should not be a society that accepts that.

  135. zyconoclast

    Zimbabwe’s economy is crashing and its people are hungry

    After decades of mismanagement and corruption, Zimbabwe is a wreck. Its people are poor and hungry (see article). By early next year about half of them will need help to get enough food, says the un’s World Food Programme. In a country that was once among Africa’s most industrialised, electricity flickers for only a few hours a day, often at night. Factories and bakeries stand idle while the sun shines. Workers arrive after dark, hoping that if they are patient they will be able to switch on their machines or ovens. In homes people wake up in the middle of the night to cook or iron their shirts. Freshwater taps work for a few hours once a week. Tendai Biti, an opposition mp and former finance minister, complains that life has gone back to colonial times: “I’m washing in a bucket, my friend, as if it is Southern Rhodesia in 1923.”

  136. calli

    I think you can bring back 250g of cigars, DrBeau. That’s duty free. You’ll have to pay duty on the rest.

  137. Top Ender

    Yeah Bespoke, there’s some nutters out there.

    We did so well in WWII in Oz’s defence we:

    – got a cruiser sunk by a surface raider which was vastly outclassed by our ship: Sydney versus the Kormoran

    – had our biggest city’s harbour penetrated by three midget submarines, which went around the end of the boom net supposed to protect the city which had no blackout in mid-1942

    – had submarines ranging up and down our eastern coast sinking vessels almost with impunity

    – had 208 enemy air missions over northern Australia which lasted up until July 1944.

    I could go on but you get the picture.

  138. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It was based on some ‘definitive’ book Top Ender and a lot what if’s but cant remember the title.

    “Armed and secure” or something like that. It argued that Australia was far better able to resist a Japanese invasion then had been believed.

  139. dover_beach

    German Interior Minister Horst Seehofer has announced the government will be cracking down on Syrians with asylum status who go on holiday back to Syria.

    These people are laughing at us.

  140. calli

    Duty will be $1090 per kg of tobacco, DrBeau. Enjoy the smokes while you can and bring back the grog.

  141. JC

    Scott, have you really thought about this, you doofus?

    Prime Minister, 2GB Radio, April 5:

    I know it takes more than six to eight minutes to charge, I mean crikey.

    Energy Minister Angus Taylor details $6 million in spend­ing to create 21 fast-charging stations powered by renewable energy. Media release, October 22 last year:

    The ultra-rapid charge will provide a range of up to 400km in just 15 minutes, compared to a current charging time of several hours.

    That assumes a lot, Scott. It assumes the charging station is freely available and you can meander in. But imagine the real world where because of wait times there are 3 evs ahead of you. What happens then. Lets take a look.

    Car 1. takes 18 minutes by the time all is said and done.

    Car 2. 16 minutes because the dude knows what he’s doing and moves fast.

    Car 3 30 minutes. The woman doesn’t know what the fuck she’s doing and wastes 15 minutes trying to figure it out and only does so when a dude on another line helps her out.

    Lets add it up

    18 plus 16 plus 30 = 64.

    It’s over an hour wait time to “refuel”. Do you have a spare hour, you bunghead? Didn’t shorten’s bullshit teach you anything?

  142. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    – got a cruiser sunk by a surface raider which was vastly outclassed by our ship: Sydney versus the Kormoran

    Did you see the post where it seems the crewman off HMAS Sydney, whose unrecognizable body was discovered off Christmas Island, may have been identified?

  143. Mother Lode

    “Assimilation implies that I have to hide myself in order to get on. We should not be a society that accepts that.

    Why are politicians and their familiars (of which Basu would be one) so convinced that we want to live by their tastes.

    You morons are a necessary (although increasingly surplus to requirements) evil, not a good. Make sure the police a properly trained to provide us the safety we want, the law courts adjudicate according to law, and the defence forces ready to defend us.

    Stop pretending people admire you or trust you. We don’t. You know we don’t. We know you know we don’t.

    And don’t tell us what society we are supposed to have. We have one. Stop dicking about with it.

  144. Bruce of Newcastle

    Duty will be $1090 per kg of tobacco, DrBeau.

    Silver price this morning is $775 per kilo on my calc.
    Smoking silver would be cheaper.

  145. zyconoclast

    Germany: Girl loses gender bias case against boys choir

    Founded in 1465 by Frederick II, Elector of Brandenburg, the State and Cathedral Choir has not admitted a single female over its 554 years.

    The choir’s right to artistic freedom is decisive, a Berlin court has ruled after the parents of a 9-year-old girl sued when she was rejected by the prestigious State and Cathedral Choir.

    A Berlin court on Friday ruled that the city’s renowned all-boys State and Cathedral Choir had not been sexist when it rejected a 9-year-old girl’s application.

    “The acoustic pattern of a choir is part of its artistic freedom,” the presiding judge said. The court also found sufficient evidence of a “boys’ choir sound.”

    The choir insisted the rejection was “not predominantly about her gender” and that she would have been successful had her voice “matched the desired sound characteristics of a boys choir.”

    The court did leave open the possibility to appeal, saying the case could serve as a “pilot.”

  146. JC

    Silver price this morning is $775 per kilo on my calc.
    Smoking silver would be cheaper.

    Didn’t the Hunt brothers send it to 40 bucks in the 80s and it never saw that high again.

  147. struth

    Basu is nothing more than an apologist for Islaaaaaaam, a diverter from the truth and somebody who knows nothing of the culture of the country he is in, where public servants should keep their opinions on what our society should be until he takes his uniform off and sits on twitter at night in his arab nightgown and sandals,……………………………….
    Language used, right wing terrorism, FMD, a bad tweet by a pom moaning about Moosssie terrorism and gang raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaping?
    That there is right wing terrorism, how dare people be upset about not being asked by their political betters whether they wanted to be killed and raaaaped by those they imported.
    Bloody terrorism that there is.
    Disgraceful.

  148. Kev

    Aircraft Carrier landings…
    A Navy pilot in Vietnam
    The three best things in a pilot’s life are a good landing, a good bowel movement and a good orgasm, and when he landed on a carrier in rough weather at night he could have all three at the same time

  149. Sinclair Davidson

    First of all, I did not “accuse” anybody.

    Please do not insult my intelligence.

    I directed a question at a blogger who abuses me daily in the foulest terms.

    Yes, I know. I have asked her to stop.

    Generally I ignore her, but it occurred to me that anyone with that degree of bile in their system is capable of anything.

    Please just ignore her.

    Perhaps you should read your own blog from time to time.

    I actually have a full-time job.

    I am vilified here daily as a coward, a p3dophile, a person with a mental illness, of neglecting my wife as she battles with a life-threatening illness, and my lifetime work is characterised as “spastic herding”.
    Disgusting remarks directed at my wife were let through by you without comment, even though other posters balked at them.
    None of this bothers me much, but if I respond in kind, these same abusers complain to you.

    Yes, I know.

    My error has been exactly that (to reply in kind), but you own this blog, and are responsible for the tone. Your tolerance for posters abusing each other prevents the development of a better (and more informative) standard of discussion. As an academic, I assume you would value that aspiration.

    Being a academic is my job not my life. This blog is my hobby, not my job.

    I have indeed had death threats, and one of them was from a person who specified this blog as the source of his ire. I simply reported that fact. I did not report that specific incident to the police. Perhaps I should have.

    If you are seriously concerned call the police.

    You need to address your complaints to those who abuse, vilify and smear. You might do a better job of hosting this site if you did so.

    You should see the shit that doesn’t get through.

    I find it a useful source in terms of the material it provides for my research. Unfortunately, at the moment I’m the only poster who provides a counterpoint, and analyzing the responses has become very useful. If there were more making counterpoints, that would open up discussion further.

    This is why I like you being here.

    Have a think about how you mange this site. You could do a much better job.

    Again – this is my hobby. I actually have a job that takes up a lot of my time. Surprising that.

  150. DrBeauGan

    I think you are wrong, Calli. Last time I heard there was no free allowance at all. Standard duty on everything.

    It will cost me big-time.

    I have a couple of boxes of fake Cohibas. Interestingly, even fake Cohibas are very good. Far better than Dominican Republic which are the next best, and hugely better than Jamaican cigars, which are about 90% of the price of Cuban.

    I reckon there ought to be a market for fake Cohibas. I prefer them slightly to the genuine ones.

    I was assured by Osbel that the partagas he got me at 100 cuc a box were genuine. My taste told me otherwise. Whether he was cheating me or his supplier was cheating him I don’t know. Maybe a bit of both.

  151. zyconoclast

    For these women, contact sports’ health benefits outweigh the risk of injury

    Do women have a higher risk of injury?
    Some studies have shown women are at a higher risk of injury in contact sport than men.

    But Clare Minahan, Associate Professor of Sports Physiology and Performance at Queensland’s Griffith University, said research results were skewed because women had not been playing contact sport for long.

    “A lot of the researchers are working through this to try to improve those statistics,” she said.

    Associate Professor Minahan said girls should not be turned off contact sport because of the injury risk.

    “I know there’s a little bit of negative media coming out about women in contact sport,” she said.

    “There’s no strong evidence to suggest that it’s detrimental at all.

  152. DrBeauGan

    I don’t read numbers except when other people cite him, as Sinc just did. He seems to have four topics, two on Viet nam, one on his former job, and one on gun control. He is obsessive on all of them and ignores counter evidence and argument. He doesn’t provide a counterpoint, he’s just a boilerplate leftie and extremely tedious. He does show the nature of the opposition as cohenite said, which has some small value.

    His critics are not of the highest quality. Cassie has nothing beyond childish name calling. Struth’s are not much better, and the call to ban him seems to play to his game. And a pathetic game it is. KD and johno don’t have much more. They don’t seem to understand that if he can irritate you enough to respond , he counts it as a win. They are much too pleased with their own posts, and don’t stop to see their effect or lack of it.

    I find the whole business of people getting worked up about the daft old bugger ridiculous. He’s not worth a millisecond’s thought.

  153. John Constantine

    Here is a possible answer.

    https://vegconomist.com/trade/beyond-investing-launches-worlds-first-vegan-exchange-traded-fund/

    This etf tracks the major index, but removes major non-woke stocks and substitutes minor woke stocks instead.

    An etf that tracks the index, but removes stocks upon a woke event could be an answer to arcky asking how to do ‘blood and guts’ investing.

    Comrades.

  154. struth

    I find the whole business of people getting worked up about the daft old bugger ridiculous. He’s not worth a millisecond’s thought.

    Pompous dick head.

    So far I have never called for him to be banned, as he is now saying for “all reasons”.
    ONLY ONE.
    As explained above.
    I’ll type slowly for you Dr BG.
    His admitted activism against fee speech, and that alone.
    I use him to point out the deficiencies and delusions of a left wing mind.
    Calling him a dickhead, and such, is not me worked up.
    It’s me straight talking, and getting him to put his foot in it, which he always does, and as Sinclair states above, is why he likes him here.
    So he can be shot down.

    Don’t get the two confused.

    You might do better to get your mind above your belt and comprehend what is written before swaying in making a fool of yourself.
    And I bet, truth be known, people have been thinking about what the correct action would be to take in these circumstances, if Sinclair has good reasons or not, whether my points were valid regarding the fight against free speech in the west, and not about how some fat arsed Cuban chick invites you around for dinner or other such yawn worthy posts based on your own superiority complex.
    I wonder how many hits this blog would get if it were about the whore mongering and “slumming it” holidays of Dr BG, he tries to pass off as some sort of pompous anthropological expedition.

  155. notafan

    and I thought none could put the boots in

  156. struth

    Yes, I know. I have asked her to stop.

    Yet he calls us red necked racists and bigots, Nazis…… and silence from you.
    Seems you do like some to be silenced.

    One rule for all or not.
    I was actually in agreement with allowing it all, including Numbers brainfarts and abuse, for he is a laughable air head and I don’t fear an opposing argument, but here you are only pulling up the right winger?

    The rest of it , above , Sinclair falls for the “we’re both academics and above it” tosh, but then there’s this.

    I find it a useful source in terms of the material it provides for my research. Unfortunately, at the moment I’m the only poster who provides a counterpoint, and analyzing the responses has become very useful. If there were more making counterpoints, that would open up discussion further.

    This is why I like you being here.

    So you wish us to interact with him?
    Hear that Dr BG?

    Which we get, as stated above, and we demolish him.
    Obviously what you have him here for.
    My point this morning is since he has admitted to actively working against free speech, why should he be allowed to practice it at the same time?
    That’s, as I pointed out, the line crossed.

    And it’s a huge line.
    Is this the difference between a Dutch heritage westerner of sorts, and those who’s understandings of freedom are more closely related to the British story?
    It’s a good subject to discuss, while watching a hypocrite squirm thinking he may be subjected to his own tactics.
    But hey, let’s get back to episode 4776 of, “She cooked me Dinner in her Knickers”

  157. Cassie of Sydney

    “His critics are not of the highest quality. Cassie has nothing beyond childish name calling. Struth’s are not much better, and the call to ban him seems to play to his game. And a pathetic game it is. KD and johno don’t have much more. “

    Oh my…such virtue signalling and sanctimonious sludge from someone who has spent the last few months populating the Cat with lurid stories of Maria and Cuba.

    Spare me the hypocrisy.

  158. Sinclair Davidson

    Don’t you people have jobs?

  159. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Good afternoon Doomlord.

  160. Cassie of Sydney

    “Sinclair Davidson
    #3136017, posted on August 20, 2019 at 12:58 pm
    Don’t you people have jobs?”

    I have a day off….am having a new fridge delivered. I’m quite excited.

  161. Leigh Lowe

    Sinclair Davidson

    #3136017, posted on August 20, 2019 at 12:58 pm

    Don’t you people have jobs?

    Mostly academics I’d say.
    The atrocious grammar is a dead giveaway.

  162. Sinclair Davidson

    … .am having a new fridge delivered.

    Hope you buying from an Alan Jones approved supplier.

  163. egg_

    … .am having a new fridge delivered.

    Are there bollards in place in case of mu zzos/falling fridges?

  164. bespoke

    Leigh Lowe
    #3136021, posted on August 20, 2019 at 1:01 pm
    Mostly academics I’d say.
    The atrocious grammar is a dead giveaway.

    Now I am insulted and it takes a lot as you know.

  165. egg_

    I find it a useful source in terms of the material it provides for my research.

    How an autist relates to humans?

  166. egg_

    How green is Greta Thunberg’s transatlantic trip?

    Is she collecting all the sea borne rubbish that’s 75% from the fishing industry?

  167. DrBeauGan

    Which we get, as stated above, and we demolish him.

    You do nothing of the sort, Struth. You abuse him, which is perhaps understandable. You point out his revolting preferences. You illustrate his hypocrisy.

    And he doesn’t care. He may enjoy it in his perverse way, it might make him feel like a noble victim. I don’t know. But it sure isn’t demolishing him. This is painfully obvious to some of us. I don’t know why you can’t see it.

    Most of the rest of what you had to say was just name calling. You ought to be better than that. You used to be.

  168. feelthebern

    Most of the rest of what you had to say was just name calling. You ought to be better than that. You used to be.

    Takes one to know one 🙂

  169. DrBeauGan

    Oh, and Struth, I agree the knicker dance wasn’t very interesting. See one knicker Dan d, and you’ve seen them all. But I thought the discovery that voodoo is prevalent in Cuba was interesting. It surprised me. I’ve never met a voodoo believer before.

  170. Cassie of Sydney

    “Sinclair Davidson
    #3136023, posted on August 20, 2019 at 1:02 pm.

    Hope you buying from an Alan Jones approved supplier.”

    Yes.

  171. bespoke

    I don’t care what he cares and more importantly If people choose not to engage numberwang well good it’s there choice. How hard is that to understand. SHHHesh But really it does remind of the criticism directed at Cory Bernardi. Maybe he is smart and not stick his head out as the loudest critics have proven to be craven hipocrits.

  172. struth

    And he doesn’t care. He may enjoy it in his perverse way, it might make him feel like a noble victim. I don’t know. But it sure isn’t demolishing him. This is painfully obvious to some of us. I don’t know why you can’t see it.

    We demolish his arguments, of which there are few not rehashed from last time, but you seem to think I’m claiming we demolish him on some personal level.
    I don’t know him personally thank god, and I say s to you that I don’t care about personally demolishing him.
    We demolish his comments and expose his personality flaws that cause the leftism.
    It may make him the happiest person on earth.
    I don’t give a shit if I make him happy or sad.
    Do you not understand that it’s about demolishing his propaganda and lies.
    You worry about how he feels about it, I don’t give a shit how he feels.

  173. None

    Oh my…such virtue signalling and sanctimonious sludge from someone who has spent the last few months populating the Cat with lurid stories of Maria and Cuba.

    Spare me the hypocrisy.

    Haha well, said. And not only that its the sameo sameo story from Cuba. “Maria is late. I am such a narrow minded inward bred moron that I haven’t worked out that other cultures don’t share my white privileged obsessions with time. But like a dutiful lapdog being lured by a third world hooker I will obediently wait for her. because I need a bit more tit and arse. Aren’t I virtuous? Also I never read a thing about Cuba before I went there. Who knew about voodoo? OMG people I am having such an adventure.”
    FMD Sinclair, of course people like that d0n’t have jobs. No one in their right mind would employ such self-obsessed lunatics.

  174. struth

    Don’t you people have jobs?

    Academics……
    If you ain’t at work between schools hours, you can’t be employed?

  175. bespoke

    And just like that the frightbat turns up to feed.

  176. calli

    Don’t you people have jobs?

    I’m retired.

    Pop in at meal times. Arvo tea right now. I’ll flick youse some nutritious cake.

  177. MatrixTransform

    Have a think about how you mange this site

    the Spell Checker should spend more time mange-ing its own site.

    and maybe the Numptard should spend less time insulting others if it expects to free of insult and/or criticism itself.

    What kind tosser would spend another minute on a site if it thought t was getting a death-threat by being there?

    …rhetorical of course … because its words were purely meant to be both insulting and threatening.

    psychopath

    (yes I know there’s a new thread)

  178. Ivan Denisovich

    Instead, they have tried to ram through Australia’s most radically extreme abortion laws without adequate safeguards for late-term abortions, gender selection abortions (parents who only want boys) and medical mistake abortions (where the baby is born alive).

    “Reform”.

    The Wilberforce Foundation is a coalition of lawyers and legal academics committed to the preservation and advancement of the moral foundation of the common law, rights and freedoms…………

    The push to force doctors with a conscientious objection to refer for abortion is very worrying. Given that referrals are not required to access abortion, together with the availability of information available on the Internet, a doctor’s refusal to assist a woman achieve an abortion does not impede her access to it. Mandatory referral as required in the bill has no practical function other than to unjustly infringe the freedom of health practitioners who take a different view about abortion than the state, and penalize them for it with potential disciplinary action. This is clearly inappropriate for a diverse society and sets a concerning precedent for other morally controversial health services the state may endorse in the future.

    The adoption of an abortion on demand framework up to 22 weeks raises many complex moral and medical issues. With technology reducing the age of viability for premature babies, and the rise in fetal surgery, the use of a specific gestational age as a threshold for when women can request abortion for any reason is deserving of further expert discussion. The desire to achieve uniformity with other states is hardly a sufficient reason to push through such a radical concept in this state.

    Finally, this bill does nothing to protect vulnerable women who are victims of ‘abortion coercion’. This is where intimidation is used to force a woman or girl into undergoing an abortion against her will. Recognized as an emerging phenomenon by all sides of the abortion debate, an abortion on demand framework can only work against them, providing less incentive for doctors to “enquire” into this decision.

    https://lawandreligionaustralia.blog/2019/08/08/lawyers-commenting-on-nsw-abortion-law-changes/

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