Q&A Forum: August 19, 2019

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  1. egg_

    The Indigenous Voice
    A special look at the case for Constitutional Recognition and an Indigenous voice to parliament. Tony Jones is joined by Noel Pearson, Linda Burney, Julian Leeser, Jacinta Price and Patricia Turner.

  2. Beertruk

    The contestants:
    Linda Burney, Shadow Minister for Indigenous Australians
    Julian Leeser, Co-Chair of Joint Select Committee on Constitutional Recognition
    Jacinta Price, Director of Indigenous Program, CIS
    Patricia Turner, CEO of National Aboriginal Community Controlled Health Organisation
    Sally Scales, Uluru Statement Delegate

    Going to be a rough night for Jacinta Price I think. Hope she schools the lot of them.

  3. Can someone else run interruption Lotto tonight.

    I have a meeting with the directors over Thursdays FWC hearing.

    Oz industrial law is a fvkn joke

  4. will update on the hearing and meeting tomorrow.

    Sorry Troops, work comes first

  5. roger

    I can do the Snowcone Questions Lotto if people are interested.
    I’d go ten.

  6. Vic in Prossy

    Might not be too many tonight.
    May I have 19 if it’s on, please?

  7. hzhousewife

    Good Luck Carpe.
    In our experience re FWC mediation: the aggrieved party has his say, you have your say, You Pay.

  8. custard

    If someone could do the guessing and someone else do the interruptions we could do this.

    I’d fall asleep.

    I’ll take 54 please.

  9. Natural Instinct

    Following that thingo up in the Northern Territory, I think I heard this woman say to the ABC that Aboriginal health workers looking after Aboriginals is the best health model. (we have one in the shire, with the slogan “Koori health in Koori hands” – no mention of “best hands”)
    Furthermore, that more Aboriginal-only health centres were necessary and the more funding was required (as always). She also said she had “proof” it was the better model of care.
    .
    Now, besides being offended by the pure racism of her comments, I thought why would someone support the setting up of two health services in each State or Territory – or would the Aboriginal ones be directly federally funded and thus turf-wars with the state ones would ensue.
    .
    Seeing as she is on Q&A, I thought I would check out her resume (shown below). I am sorry to say, but if one had that track record of failure over such a long time and across so many disciplines, wouldn’t one have the courage to say “I don’t know how to fix the problems and I am bowing out of ‘the industry’ so someone else can have a go”
    .

    Patricia Turner, CEO of National Aboriginal Community Controlled Health Organisation
    .
    Pat Turner is Chief Executive Officer of National Aboriginal Community Controlled Health Organisation, the Coalition of Peaks Convenor and Co-Chair of the Joint Council on Closing the Gap.
    .
    Pat has vast experience in Aboriginal affairs at the local, regional and national levels, having begun her career in the public service in the early 1970s in Alice Springs. She went on to work for the Department of Aboriginal Affairs in Canberra in 1979.
    .
    Later she was Regional Manager for Central Australia in 1985 and promoted to First Assistant Secretary in 1986. In 1989 she was promoted to Deputy Secretary and moved to Canberra, and when ATSIC was created she transferred there as Deputy CEO. In 1991, while working in the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, Pat was responsible for setting up the Council for Aboriginal Reconciliation, of which she was the first National Secretary.

    From 1994 – 1998 Pat was the CEO of ATSIC. After winning the Monash Chair of Australian Studies, Georgetown University she moved to Washington DC as Professor of Australian Studies. Following her time in Washington Ms Turner returned to Canberra to the Department of Health and the moved to Centrelink where she ran their Indigenous Programs. In 2004 she moved to the Australian Public Service Commission to improve the recruitment and retention of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander staff across the APS. She was the inaugural CEO of NITV from July 2007 for three years.
    .
    Pat has actively promoted self-determination and social justice for Aboriginal people throughout her career.
    .
    The daughter of an Arrente man and a Gurdanji woman, Pat was raised in Alice Springs.

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    Some background on a National (i.e. Canberra based organisation) – just look at those Committees

    The Role of Aboriginal Community Controlled Health Services
    .
    Aboriginal Community Controlled Health Services (ACCHS) came into being because of the inability of mainstream health services to engage Aboriginal communities with their services.
    Within Australia, there is over 140 ACCHS’s.
    NACCHO’s work is focused on:
    • Promoting, developing and expanding the provision of health and wellbeing services through local ACCHSs;
    • Liaison with organisations and governments within both the Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal community on health and wellbeing policy and planning issues;
    • Representation and advocacy relating to health service delivery, health information, research, public health, health financing and health programs; and
    • Fostering cooperative partnerships and working relationships with agencies that respect Aboriginal community control and holistic concepts of health and well-being. The National Aboriginal Community Controlled Health Organisation (NACCHO) is a living embodiment of the aspirations of Aboriginal communities and their struggle for self-determination. NACCHO is the national peak body representing 143 Aboriginal Community Controlled Health Services (ACCHSs) across the country on Aboriginal health and well-being issues.
    =======================================
    External Committee Representation
    NACCHO’s provides national leadership towards the Australian Government’s national policy on Aboriginal Health, the cultural and social determinants of health and to ensure that policy makers and influencers understand who the Aboriginal Community Controlled Health Organisation Sector are, what we do, and why we are better placed than any other health organisation to deliver these services to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander community.
    NACCHO contributes to the following committees and workgroups.
    Committee
    Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islander Health Industry Reference Committee (ATSIHIRC)
    Aboriginal Health Justice Partnership (HJP)
    Aboriginal Torres Strait Islander Medicines Policy Reform
    Aged Care Sector Committee Diversity Subgroup / Aged Care Leadership Group
    Australian Association of Gerontology
    Australian Council of Social Service (ACOSS)
    Australian Digital Health Agency, My Health Record Expansion Program
    Australian Health Protection Principal Committee (AHPPC) – Emergency Response Taskforce for BBV/STI in Indigenous populations
    Australian Health Protection Principal Committee (AHPPC) – Syphilis Enhanced Response Governance Group
    Australian Human Rights Commission – National Statement of Child Safe Organisations & Cultural Safety
    Australian Healthcare & Hospitals Association (AHHA) Reconciliation Action Plan Working Group
    Australian Indigenous HealthInfoNet Advisory Board
    Australian Medical Association (AMA) Taskforce on Indigenous Health
    Australian National Development Index (ANDI)
    Australian Research Alliance for Children & Youth (ARACY)
    Australian Trachoma Alliance National Trachoma Surveillance & Control Working Group
    Australian Trachoma Alliance Principles
    Cancer Australia’s Leadership Group
    Chief Executive Women Forum
    Clinical Coding Technical Working Group
    Close the Gap Human Rights Commission
    Closing the Gap Parliamentary Friends Group
    Closing the Gap Steering Committee
    Continuous Quality Improvement (CQI) Project Team
    Council of Presidents of Medical Colleges (CPMC) National Partnership Forum on Indigenous Health
    CREATE Leadership Group (Centre for Research Excellence in Aboriginal Chronic Disease Knowledge Translation & Exchange)
    CtG/COAG Review P&MC Information Sessions
    END RHD Coalition Advisory Committee
    END RHD Coalition Advisory Committee – Indigenous Engagement Working Group
    END RHD Coalition Advisory Committee – National Advocacy Working Group
    Eye Health Advisory Group (AIHW)
    Funding Model Advisory Committee (FMAC)
    Funding Model Advisory Group (FMWG)
    Health Care Homes
    Health Service Data Advisory Group (HS DAG)
    Homelessness & Accommodation Options for Rough Sleepers in Darwin / Palmerston & Katherine Project Advisory Group
    IAHP Implementation Plan Advisory Group (IPAG)
    Indigenous BBV STI Governance Group
    Indigenous Data Sovereignty Network
    Indigenous Medication Review Service (IMeRSe) Partners
    International Advisory Council (IDC) (World Health Organisation)
    Kimberley Suicide Prevention Trial Steering Committee
    Lighthouse Hospital Project – Phase 3 Steering Committee
    Mammographic Screening Participation for Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islander Women Project Steering Group
    Mayi Kuwayu Study (national longitudinal study of culture, health & wellbeing for Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islander people)
    National Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islander Immunisation Network (NATSIIN) Indigenous Vaccine Preventable Diseases & Vaccination Coverage Working Group
    National Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islander Leadership in Mental Health (NATSILMH)
    National Advisory Group Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islander Health Information & Data (NAGATSIHID)
    National Aged Care Alliance
    National Disability Insurance Scheme (NDIS)
    National Health Leadership Forum (NHLF)
    National Health Leadership Framework on Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islander Health Workforce
    National Immunisation Committee
    National Key Performance Indicator Working Group
    National Registration & Accreditation Scheme to Improve Patient Safety for Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islander Australians
    National Rural Health Alliance Council
    National Trachoma Surveillance & Control Reference Group
    Our Children’s Vision Working Group
    Patient Incentive Program (PIP) Advisory Group
    Pharmaceutical Society of Australia Digital Health Project Advisory Group
    Pharmaceutical Society of Australia with James Cook University – Project Team Steering Committee
    Pharmacy Guild of Australia & NACCHO MOU
    Pharmacy/PBS Trials Advisory Group (Tranche 1)
    Pharmacy/PBS Trials Advisory Group (Tranche 2)
    Possible NDIS Reference Group to be run by PM&C
    Primary Health Care Committee of Australia Commission for Health Care Safety & Quality
    Primary Health Network Program Evaluation – Ernst & Young
    Program of Experience in the Palliative Approach (PEPA)
    Rheumatic Heart Disease Roundtable Working Group
    RAAF Kummundoo Project
    RACGP 5-10 Year Strategic Framework for Indigenous Health
    RACGP National Guide Project Reference Group
    Redfern Statement Alliance (RSA) Working Group
    Royal Australian College of General Practitioners (RACGP) & NACCHO MOU
    Rural Doctors Association of Australia (RDAA)
    Social & Emotional Wellbeing Clinical Working Group (SEWB CWG)
    Tackling Indigenous Tobacco – Evaluation Advisory Group
    The Children’s Commissioner Committee on the development of guidelines for child safe organisations
    The National Best Practice Unit Tackling Indigenous Smoking Advisory Group
    Vision 2020 Australia Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islander Committee

  10. egg_

    Cripes, we might be in for a long night of magic Aborigine conscious streaming.

  11. Cassie of Sydney

    “Jacinta Price, Director of Indigenous Program, CIS”

    One of the highlights of CPAC was listening to Jacinta Price’s speech on indigenous issues and why she is a conservative ..she is a truly intelligent, formidable and beautiful woman.

  12. egg_

    Be prepared for MLK style speeches.

  13. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I’ll book 24, and I bet a bottle of good Scotch, Linda Burney recycles all the tired, discredited old myths about the 1967 referendum.

    All the best for tomorrow, Carpe.

  14. egg_

    Isn’t the Abo Industry costing us $30 bil p.a.?
    c. 30 x TheirABCs?

  15. roger

    21 please Roger san.

    OK, fellow Cats, including myself there are, as of now, two participants in a new experiment: The Snowcone Questions Lotto, as follows:
    roger: 10
    egg_: 21

  16. John Constantine

    I already turned the sound down on media watch.

    Monday night, is just when their ABC sets the godless commo agenda for government for the coming week.

    Because they can.

  17. Natural Instinct

    NACCHO Cashflow Fy2017-18
    $6.5m inwards
    $4.6m suppliers and employees
    $2.2m PP&E
    $0.3m cash drain for year
    .
    0 = number of patients seen

  18. Beertruk

    Hokay Roger, I’ll take 15 in Snowcone Questions Lotto.

  19. Beertruk

    Cassie of Sydney
    #3135513, posted on August 19, 2019 at 9:19 pm

    Jacinta is coming to Toowoomba on the 13th of next month. I already have my ticket to see and hear her speak.

  20. roger

    The Snowcone Questions Lotto now stands on:
    roger: 10
    egg_: 21
    Beertruk: 15

  21. Vic in Prossy

    I’m hoping for 19 please, Roger.

  22. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    A bottle of Laphroig to the Cat, who tweets Linda Burney, and asks if she stands by her claim, made in her opening speech to Parliament, that, until the 1967 referendum, her family lived their lives , ruled by the Flora and Fauna act.

  23. egg_

    Wyatt, Dodson & Pearson late no show.

  24. Rex Mango

    The Voice is good television, but why put in the Constitution?

  25. roger

    The Snowcone Questions Lotto:
    roger: 10
    egg_: 21
    Beertruk: 15
    Vic in Prossy: 19

    (And it’s roger, not Roger, thanks.)

  26. roger

    And he’s off to a great start so early in the piece, with his first and 2nd questions.
    The Snowcone Question count is now on 2.

  27. Megan

    I’ll take my usual 29, thanks Roger the Temporary Carpe San. And good luck to the lot of you, for putting yourself in front of the TV program of indigenous doom.

  28. Cpt Seahawks

    Linda on the woobla

  29. roger

    The Snowcone Questions Lotto:
    roger: 10
    egg_: 21
    Beertruk: 15
    Vic in Prossy: 19
    RobK: 33
    (And, again, it’s roger, not Roger, thanks.)

    Snowcone Questions count goes up to 3. He’s doing well.

  30. egg_

    Oveur: Roger, Roger. What’s our vector, Victor?

  31. Rex Mango

    Ken Wyatt has gone up greatly in my standing by not appearing tonight.

  32. Cpt Seahawks

    26 please Roger roger

  33. Beertruk

    Oveur, Vectoring to First Nations, Oveur.

  34. roger

    The Snowcone Questions Lotto:
    roger: 10
    egg_: 21
    Beertruk: 15
    Vic in Prossy: 19
    RobK: 33
    Megan: 29

    Snowcone is kicking butts. With a count of 6 so early, within the first minutes, he may outdo all our expectations.

  35. Beertruk

    What the fvck is this old bint going on about?

  36. Turtle of WA

    They’re not hungry

  37. roger

    The Snowcone Questions Lotto:

    roger: 10
    egg_: 21
    Beertruk: 15
    Vic in Prossy: 19
    RobK: 33
    Megan: 29
    Cpt Seahawks: 26

    Snowcone on seven.

  38. egg_

    Looks like MoDo said no go to ToJo.

  39. egg_

    What the fvck is this old bint going on about?

    Turner speaks Kruddish?

  40. Turtle of WA

    Snowcone gives Pricey 5 seconds

  41. Cpt Seahawks

    roger, not Roger, that is the question.

  42. egg_

    Where’s the token lesbian Abo midget amputee on the panel?

  43. Beertruk

    Jacinta is schooling the idiots.

  44. roger

    The Snowcone Questions Lotto:

    roger: 10
    egg_: 21
    Beertruk: 15
    Vic in Prossy: 19
    RobK: 33
    Megan: 29
    Cpt Seahawks: 26
    Turtle of WA: 53

    (A bit unfair on us early punters. To be fair try to enter earlier next time. But this time we’ll let late entrants get in.)

    Snowcone on 10, already equating my prediction for the entire show. Looks like I am an early loser.

  45. Rex Mango

    Jacinta Price starting to talk a lot of sense and Snowcone couldn’t wait to stop her.

  46. egg_

    Indigenous questioner, Bill, with a whinge that no one else would be granted.

  47. Turtle of WA

    Well said Jacinta

  48. classical_hero

    16 please. roger that. Over and out.

  49. egg_

    Bill accusing Price of being a Liberal stooge.

  50. John Constantine

    I gotta make the time to go see Jacinta speak live on her tour.

  51. egg_

    The big lass on the panel doesn’t look like she’s been feeding on lizards’ gizzards.

  52. Some History

    What’s “makerada”?

  53. Beertruk

    John Constantine
    #3135587, posted on August 19, 2019 at 10:06 pm

    Got my ticket booked for when she gets to Toowoomba.

  54. egg_

    Price returns fire to Bill.
    Grass roots empowerment vs Indigenous elites.
    Boom!

  55. Rex Mango

    Jacinta needs to use circular breathing, otherwise Snowcone will jump in.

  56. roger

    The Snowcone Questions Lotto:

    roger: 10
    egg_: 21
    Beertruk: 15
    Vic in Prossy: 19
    RobK: 33
    Megan: 29
    Cpt Seahawks: 26
    Turtle of WA: 53
    classical_hero: 16.

    Snowcone on 15 already. I wouldn’t put money on anything less than 20.

  57. Turtle of WA

    Check out the graph of aboriginal spending over time as a percentage of total commonwealth spending. The enormous spike from 1972-5 represents the beginning of leftards destroying the aboriginal people. The spike is called “Gough Whitlam”, the turd who encouraged resentment and welfare.

  58. Turtle of WA

    Burney called it “MeekaTHARra”. Never heard an aborigine pronounce it that way, with a long vowel on the “ar”. Or anyone from WA for that matter.

  59. Turtle of WA

    White girl virtue signalling.

  60. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    What’s “makerada”?

    Makarrata is a word from the language of the Yolngu people in Arnhem Land. It’s a word used to describe the process of setting up a treaty – the latest demand is for a treaty with each of five hundred or so “First Nations.”

  61. Turtle of WA

    According to Turner they want to run their own life but have everyone else pay for it. What is she, a teenager?

  62. Cpt Seahawks

    Meeka-tarra, rapidly spoken.

  63. Natural Instinct

    egg_#3135518, posted on August 19, 2019 at 9:22 pm

    Isn’t the Abo Industry costing us $30 bil p.a.?
    c. 30 x TheirABCs?
    .
    linky from 2016

  64. Rex Mango

    Setting up this Voice, makes the Republic debate of the late 90s look like a picnic.

  65. egg_

    An Aboriginal campaigner against domestic violence has slammed the phrase ‘toxic masculinity’ to describe male behaviour.

    Jacinta Price, who herself had been in a violent relationship, said demonising men did nothing to address the issue of assaults against women by their husbands and boyfriends.

  66. Cpt Seahawks

    Here comes the biff, that conference was a shitfest

  67. Turtle of WA

    Unbalanced panel called out. Good.

  68. Beertruk

    13 dialogues and the Abo industry claims 500 First Nations?

  69. Turtle of WA

    We are now spending more, permanently, than at the peak of the Gough-spike. He ran out of money.

  70. Cpt Seahawks

    Linda is reading notes, typical.

  71. Natural Instinct

    Snowcone’s response to be called out with over-weighted “YES” panel
    supercilious bastard
    adjective
    1. behaving or looking as though one thinks one is superior to others.
    2. arrogant, haughty, conceited, disdainful, overbearing, pompous, condescending, superior, patronizing, imperious, proud, lofty, lordly, snobbish, snobby, overweening, smug

  72. Rex Mango

    Sadly Linda Burney is wrong, the Australian constitution does recognise indigenous people in s51xxvi and this the bit that should be removed.

  73. Rex Mango

    Scott Morrison getting behind the Voice and making it his issue as Snowcone suggests, would be more stupid than Mike Baird making an appearance at Dapto Dogs.

  74. Turtle of WA

    They know what they want, but they don’t know what it is.

    (Is that a line from a song?)

  75. roger

    They know what they want, but they don’t know what it is.

    (Is that a line from a song?)

    They don’t know what it is, but they want it now.

  76. Beertruk

    Old woman looks like she hasn’t lived the aboriginal experience.

  77. egg_

    SnowCone’s Toxic Aboriginality hour is over?

  78. Turtle of WA

    WA boy is a good lad.

  79. egg_

    They don’t know what it is, but they want it now.

    How much $?

  80. Turtle of WA

    They don’t know what it is, but they want it now.

    Thanks Roger, much better.

  81. Rex Mango

    If they want truth telling, it might be time to point out that the most British troops ever in Australia were not here to invade, but were on R&R from the Maori Wars. The Native Police were responsible for as much ‘invasion’ as anyone.

  82. Cpt Seahawks

    Booragoon boy will be good.

  83. Turtle of WA

    SnowCone’s Toxic Aboriginality hour is over?

    Good, egg.

  84. Beertruk

    Bullshite Linda. Just join the 21st century.

  85. Rex Mango

    Waiting for someone to tell Snowcone that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

  86. Turtle of WA

    Trial having an aboriginal parliament first. I’d be such a shit-fight it would never ever get up. Popcorn time.

  87. roger

    The Snowcone Questions Lotto:
    roger: 10
    egg_: 21
    Beertruk: 15
    Vic in Prossy: 19
    RobK: 33
    Megan: 29
    Cpt Seahawks: 26
    Turtle of WA: 53
    classical_hero: 16.
    Snowcone Question count on 29 question (excluding questions by Snowcone deemed as close paraphrasing of previous questions, otherwise it is much higher).
    Winner of the night is: Megan.

  88. Beertruk

    Trial having an aboriginal parliament first. I’d be such a shit-fight it would never ever get up. Popcorn time.

    500 first nations, with with one member from each? Brilliant. I am bringing the beer esky and banana lounge.

  89. Pete of Perth

    Did Goodes get a mention?

  90. roger

    Thanks everyone. Good night

  91. Beertruk

    Did Goodes get a mention?

    Surprisingly, no.

  92. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Trial having an aboriginal parliament first. I’d be such a shit-fight it would never ever get up. Popcorn time.

    How do you think those clans that have been feuding for fifty years would get on? The clans who line up in the main street of town , throwing bricks and bottles at each other, at 1 o’clock in the morning, as weary white cops try to broker a truce? Good luck with any Parliament!

  93. Flea

    Did Linda Burney say we were the only first world country that did not include Indigenous people in the constitution?

  94. Tom

    Thanks, Roger and Cats. Sounds like the Jacinta Price tour will be worth catching.

  95. egg_

    Trial having an aboriginal parliament first. I’d be such a shit-fight* it would never ever get up. Popcorn time.

    500 first nations, with with one member from each? Brilliant. I am bringing the beer esky and banana lounge.

    *It would probably devolve into a Clinton Crime Family affair.

  96. Megan

    9nly just discovered I am the ultimate victor! Go me!

    Job well done, roger!

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