Shut it down … this time, the CSIRO

Just how bad has the CSIRO become?  Once upon a time, it was involved in producing high quality applied research.  Those days are truly gone.  Just check out the Australian National Outlook 2019 document if you are in doubt.

But I received this zinger this morning from its media department – lots of communications graduates employed there, no doubt – and many groans emanated from our house.

But it’s science-based, according to the utter guff in the press release.  That’s right, a science-driven approach to tackle declining trust in corporations.  Oh please.

The one organisation that the public should no longer trust is the CSIRO itself.

Check it out.

Australia’s national science agency, CSIRO, has developed and commercialised a new science-driven approach to tackle declining trust in corporations, enabling companies to better manage their social licence to operate, starting with mining and agriculture.

New business Voconiq  was launched to scale up CSIRO’s community insights service, formerly called Reflexivity. It captures real-time insights into community sentiment across time and locations, and aims to help industries and communities build greater trust and mutually-beneficial outcomes.

A social licence to operate continues to be a top business risk facing industry today, as highlighted in CSIRO’s recent Australian National Outlook 2019 report.

“Our social insights capability has grown strong market demand from customers including BHP, Rio Tinto and the Chamber of Minerals and Energy of Western Australia, so we were able to spin out Voconiq, creating a new Australian company poised for international growth,” CSIRO Mineral Resources Director, Jonathan Law, said.

“This move means more businesses will be able to draw on CSIRO-developed science through Voconiq, who can grow their service to benefit more communities, the resources sector and any other industry where community trust is essential to their business.”

Voconiq already has operations underway across five countries and in key Australian mining regions, including the Pilbara, WA and the Hunter Valley, NSW. A new agreement with Newmont Goldcorp in the city of Kalgoorlie-Boulder, WA was implemented this month as the company continues to grow.

The Voconiq methodology involves community engagement, community surveys, data collection, analysis and reporting in a clear framework that companies can proactively respond to.

It is underpinned by more than a decade of CSIRO research that shows trust between companies and the communities they work alongside is a key factor influencing a social licence to operate. When companies lose community trust, conflict can occur equating to potentially hundreds of millions of dollars in delays or the complete abandonment of a project.

Voconiq CEO Kieren Moffat, a former CSIRO senior research scientist, said that their service is about moving companies from a transactional approach to working with communities in a long term and constructive way.

“Our service enables companies to systematically understand the complex sets of issues and concerns held by communities, while providing communities with a constructive way to have a voice and influence company decision-making,” Dr Moffat said.

In its first year, Voconiq will focus on delivering for its current portfolio of clients, including recently-secured contracts with Newmont Goldcorp, AgriFutures Australia and LiveCorp. It has longer term plans to expand further into the infrastructure, oil and gas industries and to provide its services to communities directly.

Voconiq will also build on previous national-scale research undertaken in CSIRO, including national attitudes to mining surveys for Australia, China and Chile, and most recently for Australian Eggs.

CSIRO continues to maintain a strong social science focus across a range of industries, including mining, tourism, the marine environment, energy and onshore gas, such as through the Gas Industry Social and Environmental Research Alliance.

The Voconiq team was supported by Australia’s national science and technology accelerator, ON, powered by CSIRO  .

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84 Responses to Shut it down … this time, the CSIRO

  1. Entropy

    I hav been informed quite proudly that CSIRO is the world’s largest social science organisation. As in its social science areas are bigger than anywhere else in the world.

    I queried why that would be so, given the existence of ABARES and numerous other economics and social science agencies why CSIRO felt the needengage in social science* at all. There was a lot of spluttering.

    Anyway, it’s victory on wifi patents a few years ago has resulted in a culture that is large grant chasing and commercial above all, regardless of whether or not it should be in that field at all.

    * I have a theory that putting “social” in front of any word reverses the meaning of that word.

  2. Mother Lode

    Social License was a term coined by Bob Brown to communicate his belief that companies that have broken no law nevertheless lack legitimacy and ought to be closed down.

    And now the CSIRO thinks they have discovered the ‘science’ behind it.

  3. a happy little debunker

    Fix it.

    Get rid of the communications graduates and employ more scientists – you can even test how effective this approach is by measuring the reduction in communications officers vs the increases in actual scientists.

    Science cannot be that hard!

  4. Rex Mango

    Every government body is eventually captured from within by the loony left. Even the military is now being transformed by social justice warriors.

  5. stackja

    Myxomatosis to control rabbits

    Renewed calls for the use of myxomatosis
    By 1949 the situation was desperate. The traditional methods of control were quite inadequate. New and radical measures were called for. Dame Jean MacNamara once more took up her advocacy of using myxomatosis campaigning vigorously in the Melbourne-published Stock and Land and the Herald.

    Dame Jean had been particularly provoked by an article which quoted Francis Ratcliffe, head of the newly formed CSIRO Wildlife Survey Section, as saying, Myxomatosis has failed because very close contact with rabbits is needed for its spread

    There seemed little scientific justification for further research. But the situation was serious and late in 1949 Ratcliffe decided that further trials should be made to test the practical advantages of the known limited capacity of myxomatosis to spread. Ratcliffe’s proposal had the enthusiastic support of the newly appointed Chairman of CSIRO, Ian Clunies Ross.

    The economic benefit
    In 1952-53, Australia’s wool and meat production jumped by $68 million as pastures recovered from the ravages of rabbits. In the two to three decades after that myxomatosis brought incalculable benefit to Australia. However, eventually the rabbits became genetically resistant to the myxoma virus as predicted by Ratcliffe and Fenner, and by 1995 had multiplied to an estimated 300 million. To combat these changes two additional insect vectors, the European rabbit flea and the arid-adapted Spanish flea, were introduced but with minimal impact, and the effectiveness of myxomatosis continued to fall.

    Calicivirus and ongoing research
    So again CSIRO scientists were asked to come up with a solution. Rabbit Calicivirus Disease (RCD) is a viral disease which affects only European rabbits. The virus probably originated from a less virulent form present in rabbit populations for many years. It was first reported in China in 1984 and soon after in other countries in Asia and Europe and in Mexico.

    These reports alerted scientists to a potentially new biological control for wild rabbits in Australia and New Zealand. The virus was taken into quarantine at the CSIRO Australian Animal Health Laboratory in Geelong for comprehensive testing over three years from June 1991.

    In March 1995, a quarantine station was set up on tiny Wardang Island off the coast of South Australia to test rabbit calicivirus, which had kept down rabbit populations in Europe. It was due for release in 1998, but, after only 6 months, it escaped from the island, most likely carried by insects. CSIRO has commented:

    There would have been a much bigger discussion phase about whether or not to release the virus and that was just left behind. But beyond that, the effects have been as good as we ever would have expected. In the arid zones we have had a remarkable reduction. The numbers of rabbits are down to ten or fifteen percent of their original numbers.

    And as the rabbits disappeared, the barren landscape flourished once again. The virus has since spread throughout most of Australia, mainly by natural spread. To date its impact has generally been greatest in the arid and semi-arid zone. Its effectiveness in wetter areas has been lower.

    Scientists are also aware that because myxomatosis was only effective for 15 to 20 years, rabbits could also become resistant to calicivirus. Thus the rabbit war is one that is likely to continue indefinitely.

  6. Tezza

    The CSIRO could hardly have picked a more left-wing, ideologically loaded concept than this one. That it doesn’t know, or more likely doesn’t care, tells us how intellectually bankrupt it is.
    Next CSIRO projects: unconscious bias, followed by the mental deficiencies of ‘climate deniers’.

  7. Roger

    Australia’s national science agency, CSIRO, has developed and commercialised a new science-driven approach to tackle declining trust in corporations, enabling companies to better manage their social licence to operate, starting with mining and agriculture.

    Mining and agriculture…two sectors of the economy normal people have no problem with.

    Now, about those CSIRO predictions of sea level rise….

  8. Tim Neilson

    while providing communities with a constructive way to have a voice and influence company decision-making

    Why the flying duck would any company want to subsidise anti-free enterprise grievance-mongering?

    It’s not like it’s in short supply. There’s even a $billion+ a year media behemoth largely devoted to it.

  9. Mother Lode

    The CSIRO will truly come into its own when they develop a program that can predict the outcomes of elections.

    And it is not just a matter of timing – predicting the outcome before the actual results.

    It will also be able to predict the correct outcome in those cases when the voters get it wrong.

  10. Behind Enemy Lines

    This happens because senior public servants want to pad their CVs with politically-correct resume’ fodder, for when ALP/Greens return to power. The solution is to slash the Senior Executive Service and regularly swap out the remaining ones. Their value-add runs close to zero, just another in-tray and out-tray between the people doing the work and the people using the product. Remember, one of the main arguments for the SES’ existence is to provide sooper-special strategic insight and leadership. But they’re almost universally crap at both of those things. Instead, they’re expert at long-term office politics. That’s what keeps causing otherwise worthwhile organisations to waste time and resources straying into the climate / aboriginal / diversity / social nonsense that’s entirely outside the government’s policy objectives.

    It happens because the LibNats are weak and frightened of being leaked against.

    They need to grow a collective pair. For example, after the government had sent the third agency head away to pursue her green / left agenda in the private sector, the rest of them would get the message. Public service productivity would head through the roof, at least until the socialists get a turn at the trough again.

    I am dead serious about this.

  11. jupes

    Australia’s national science agency, CSIRO, has developed and commercialised a new science-driven propaganda approach to tackle declining trust in corporations, enabling companies to better manage their social licence to operate, starting with mining and agriculture.

  12. mem

    If I was running a business I wouldn’t let the CSIRO anywhere near my staff or customers. All they want to do is bleed you for information that they can take back and use and then compete with you . These money grubbers muscle in on any project where they smell a dollar. Trust in CSIRO = zero. Quality of work based on their climate capers and modelling=zero. Clean up your own backyard CSIRO.

  13. Where can one get one of these social licenses? Does it involve a Cert I, II, III or IV? Or does it require an MBA?

  14. miltonf

    If I was running a business I wouldn’t let the CSIRO anywhere near my staff or customers.

    Too right! ABC, SBS, CSIRO – we’d be better off without. Once I thought the CSIRO was pretty good (eg National Standards) but, as someone said above, they pretty much discredited themselves by jumping on the glowbull warming band wagon. Same with BOM.

  15. mem

    Where can one get one of these social licenses? Does it involve a Cert I, II, III or IV? Or does it require an MBA?

    Apply to Adam Bandt and the Greens whilst making a big donation. That should allow your company to continue unhindered for at least 12 months. If you don’t comply you will be blacklisted and a whole lot of university students and thugs dressed in funny outfits will turn up to cause you trouble.

  16. Slim Cognito

    I stopped reading the press release when I got to the words “social licence”.

    One of the most stupid brain farts ever. The concept that someone, somewhere can object to what you are doing and therefore tarnish your operations with “illegitimacy” cannot be allowed to go unchallenged.

  17. mem

    The concept that someone, somewhere can object to what you are doing and therefore tarnish your operations with “illegitimacy” cannot be allowed to go unchallenged.

    You are spot on SC. No doubt the concept will be to complete their research and get qualified so you go on an accredited social license register that you have to renew each year. Brain fart is one thing but the fact this concept got passed the senior gatekeepers is another. They want to give businesses a social licence. Social fascism at its worst.

  18. Ellen

    I think the article and comments miss the point. This high-lighting of ‘social’ aspects is a strategy to make CSIRO’s deep involvement in oil exploration and other development palatable to the anti-fossil fuel factions. What better way than to do this than to proclaim with fanfare that CSIRO is helping big corporations regain public trust (while they keep doing all the things the left objects to)? Those on the right should be praising such clever tactics. But maybe it’s all part of the plan? If right commentators damn CSIRO, the left will think they are not really helping the oil companies and other big corporations. https://www.publish.csiro.au/aj/aj13052

  19. Up The Workers!

    C.S.I.R.O.

    Crap Science Inspired by Religious Oratory!

    Amen.

  20. A Lurker

    Just another previously reputable organisation now infested with Termites.

  21. Ironbark

    Do you need “L” plates before you get your full social licence or…
    ???
    Just asking for a friend…

  22. Charles

    Social justice activists posing as scientists.

    Isn’t that the definition of an oxymoron?

  23. Lilliana

    Behind Enemy Lines
    #3134985, posted on August 19, 2019 at 10:10 am

    Comment of the day.

    Sums up the situation perfectly.

  24. lotocoti

    I believe some fat Hun once said “When someone mentions culture, I reach for my Luger.”
    I feel the same way when someone mentions social licence.

  25. Mother Lode

    The solution is to slash the Senior Executive Service

    Yes.

    And then pour salt on them.

  26. Dr Fred Lenin

    I wonder if they have allotted taxpayer funds for research into a cure for leftwing insanity ,there would be a huge market for such a cure in the Western world ,it would be a real money maker . Maybe enogh to withdraw taxpayer funding ?

  27. Mother Lode

    One of the most reliable cures for leftism is the removal of subsidies.

    People very quickly learn the justice of keeping what you work for and the injustice of having it confiscated so someone with no skin in the game can give your earnings to the shiftless and the thriftless all for the sake of a photo op where they can talk about their own compassion.

  28. egg_

    Just an extension of the CAGW meme running throughout the organisation.
    ABC it.

  29. egg_

    social licence to operate, starting with mining and agriculture.

    We need a “social licence” to operate our chief export industries?
    The inmates are truly running the asylum.
    Are these 457 Injuns with Social Science Majors?

  30. Rohan

    Where does an entrprenuer apply for one of these “social licences”?

    Which government department?

  31. max

    Rex Mango
    #3134964, posted on August 19, 2019 at 9:43 am
    Every government body is eventually captured from within by the loony left.

    Yes correct — only solution is not to have it.

  32. Mother Lode

    Social licenses are generally not available to entrepreneurs.

    The exception is businesses that have symbiotic relationships with government.

  33. duncanm

    Australia’s national science agency, CSIRO, has developed and commercialised a new science-driven approach to tackle declining trust in corporations

    how about you turn that lens on yourselves and the ABC, numpties ?

  34. Leo G

    Commonwealth Scientistic Inessential Reflexivity Organisation?

  35. Mother Lode

    There would be more science in investigating the stone knapping techniques of Homo Erectus and their application to contemporary Australian life than this bizarre excursion into social justice warfare.

    The most annoying thing is that if they were not government funded we could count on their going woke sending them broke.

    Government – subsidising failure since forever.

  36. nb

    ‘social licence to operate’
    Bizarre!
    Doubtless this licence requires passing a course in the ‘climate crisis’.
    Did we crash into another universe?
    Next we’ll be wanting to add to our parliament a third chamber, one that can override the other two – oh, wait…

  37. Dr Fred Lenin

    Does a socialist licence have your photo on it ? How about a Lying licence Think of the revenue from ,politcians ,public servants , Media journalists ,political party aparatchiks advertisers the climate scammers and the lawtrade .we would eliminate the national debt in no time ,

  38. Peter Sommerville

    The demise of CSIRO began in the mid 1980’s when the then ALP Government introduced a number of ‘Reforms’. In essence these removed the power of department heads to direct their own research priorities, forcing them instead to become ‘marketers’ to raise the 40% external revenue, also required by the ‘reforms’. A bloating of the HO bureaucracy resulted. From there it has been all downhill.

  39. Entropy

    Why the flying duck would any company want to subsidise anti-free enterprise grievance-mongering?

    Danegeld.

  40. Econocrat

    Judith, it was chaired by that renowned scientist Ken Henry. What did you expect?

  41. Art Vandelay

    Australia’s national science agency, CSIRO, has developed and commercialised a new science-driven approach to tackle declining trust in corporations, enabling companies to better manage their social licence to operate, starting with mining and agriculture.

    It’s a sad day when Australia’s supposedly premier science organisation cannot tell the difference between science and pseudo-science.

    Make them read Popper and then privatise it.

  42. Social licence is code for people with no skin in a business to interfere with said business. Industry players are ruthlessly engaging tame and complicit activists to deal body blows to competitors an example would be the gas industry kicking coal through its activist proxies.

  43. duncanm

    .. oh, and note the other important distinction:

    New business Voconiq was launched to scale up CSIRO’s community insights service, formerly called Reflexivity. It captures real-time insights into community sentiment across time and locations, and aims to help industries and communities build greater trust and mutually-beneficial outcomes.

    ie: assesses ‘community’ sentiment by reviewing the screams from the howler monkeys in twitter

  44. Davefromweewaa

    Social license.
    The inalienable right of people who don’t produce anything to hector and humbug those that do.

  45. Tim Neilson

    Danegeld.

    Good call.

    And we know how that ended.

  46. Ellen

    mem,
    “If I was running a business I wouldn’t let the CSIRO anywhere near my staff or customers. All they want to do is bleed you for information that they can take back and use and then compete with you . These money grubbers muscle in on any project where they smell a dollar. Trust in CSIRO = zero. Quality of work based on their climate capers and modelling=zero. Clean up your own backyard CSIRO.”

    If you are running a business in an area that is under criticism, then working with CSIRO is a good way to get research done (without setting up your own R&D units) and also to help you put a good social face on your development plans. If you were BP with little previous exploration experience in southern Australia, CSIRO was a useful avenue to tap local experts, who could be brought on as consultants, under their umbrella. In some cases you might not want it publically known who is doing the actual research, if for example, they once worked for another oil company whose name is viewed even more negatively than yours. Think of it as expert laundering. Further, in the case of oil exploration, CSIRO is never going to use the research to compete with the big oil companies.

    BP didn’t go ahead with oil drilling in the GAB, officially for economic reasons (see link), maybe partly because of the lobby against it, but most likely because of the unexciting prospects revealed by the research (which would underpins the economic reason) .
    https://www.australianmining.com.au/news/bp-exits-oil-drilling-in-great-australian-bight/

    It’s too easy to fall into the left v.right, black and white polemics that can be seen in comments here. Things are more complex, and devious, in the real world. The aim of business is to make money. If you support this, then maybe you should let business do what it thinks is best even if that means associating with ‘lefty’ organisations as cover. After all, the oil companies have known about global warming since the 198os, and that just focussed their attention on drilling for as much oil as possible. CSIRO has been complicit in such things, see https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/global-sealevel-expert-john-church-made-to-walk-the-plank-by-csiro-20160513-gov0k9.html .

    Of course, if you want a conspiracy theory, maybe all the apparent right-wing attacks on CSIRO are just a smokescreen to cover the work it does for big business and protect it from the left!

  47. Behind Enemy Lines

    Gigantic motherhood speech on the public service from the PM at IPA today. If this speech is any indication of where the public service review is heading, then you can summarise it in one word: ‘more’.

    And ‘more’ will mean more climate / aboriginal / diversity / social nonsense.

    I’m astonished that people can spend entire working lives in professional national-level politics, and neither (a) understand the public service or (b) come up with fresh, effective ideas to address the natural flaws built in by the public service’s nature. I’m not saying it would be easy, but one day I’d like to see someone make an honest effort.

  48. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Ellen
    #3135026, posted on August 19, 2019 at 10:59 am
    I think the article and comments miss the point. This high-lighting of ‘social’ aspects is a strategy to make CSIRO’s deep involvement in oil exploration and other development palatable to the anti-fossil fuel factions. What better way than to do this than to proclaim with fanfare that CSIRO is helping big corporations regain public trust

    If so, it’s not a reasonable approach for an organisation, let alone a scientific organisation, to take. Capitulation in any way does not help. Instead it emboldens the other side. Either the CSIRO is doing sound science for the benefit of Australians or they are not, bearing in mind the are using taxpayer money. I’m reminded of a post on the OT quoting Thomas Sowell about the person who receives favourable assistance and how, when only equitable assistance is offered, complaints are forthcoming. It’s no good always enabling favourable treatment to the Left because they always want more concessions.

  49. Dr Fred Lenin

    Entrepreneur ? A zthief. In a suit? Arthur Daly was a self confessd entrepreneur ,so were AlanBond ,Laurie Connell , Christofer Skase and many others . I cant see them complying to a socialist licence drawn up by a bunch of lefty wankers .

  50. Lilliana

    I’m astonished that people can spend entire working lives in professional national-level politics, and neither (a) understand the public service or (b) come up with fresh, effective ideas to address the natural flaws built in by the public service’s nature. I’m not saying it would be easy, but one day I’d like to see someone make an honest effort.

    That’s because they a) don’t understand them, b) don’t care as long as they can continue to build their post-politics network and personal wealth, or c) both (a) and b).

  51. Buccaneer

    This from an article by csiro

    In the Australian context, the Minerals Council of Australia (MCA) has described SLO as representing an “unwritten social contract” that reflects the relationship between companies and the communities in which they operate; a relationship the MCA views as being grounded in both a company’s on-ground performance and the level of local community trust that exists.

    Sadly, we all know that Social Licence really refers to being able to operate without interference from noisy interest groups who do their best to misrepresent what an organisation does and how they do it. This concept can never work as intended, because we know that these interest groups will never be satisfied until all the organisations are abolished and absorbed into single party government.

  52. classical_hero

    Rabz it and salt the earth.

  53. J.H.

    It smells like….. Marxism. The scent reminiscent of an open mass grave and a pig trough.

    Marx lived off Engels and constructed a parasitical ideology that wasn’t any different than doing just that. Lenin, Stalin and Mao just took it to its natural conclusion on a national scale.

    Anyhoo…. Looks like the Chinese have been very influential with our useful idiots and our useless academia.

    The Chinese have money, power and position to offer these people. We can only offer them responsibility and austerity…. You know who they are going to choose don’t you?

    When we stop giving these people our money, they will be outside China’s front door by morning mewling pathetically for succor….. Don’t laugh, I’ll give you an example. Dan Andrews, Victorian Premier. Chinese Belt and Road Initiative loans for infrastructure spending.

    It’s always the same with these mob. They hate us more than our enemies, because they know us and we have expectations of them that they are not interested in fulfilling. We expect them to be responsible, they only desire control.

    We are going to have to fight them for it at some stage. We all know this hey?

  54. Muddy

    Truth Decay” is the diminishing reliance on facts and analysis in American public life. It has many damaging consequences: the erosion of civil discourse, political paralysis, alienation and disengagement from political and civic institutions, and uncertainty over U.S. policy.

  55. Behind Enemy Lines

    Lilliana
    #3135256, posted on August 19, 2019 at 4:09 pm
    I’m astonished that people can spend entire working lives in professional national-level politics, and neither (a) understand the public service or (b) come up with fresh, effective ideas to address the natural flaws built in by the public service’s nature. I’m not saying it would be easy, but one day I’d like to see someone make an honest effort.

    That’s because they a) don’t understand them, b) don’t care as long as they can continue to build their post-politics network and personal wealth, or c) both (a) and b).

    As you say, it’s very much in certain people’s interest to keep the public service more or less as it is. I shouldn’t have written “I’m astonished”. I know perfectly well why things go on as they do. And yet, one hopes for better.

  56. Behind Enemy Lines

    Muddy
    #3135316, posted on August 19, 2019 at 4:59 pm
    “Truth Decay” is the diminishing reliance on facts and analysis in American public life. It has many damaging consequences: the erosion of civil discourse, political paralysis, alienation and disengagement from political and civic institutions, and uncertainty over U.S. policy.

    I had a quick look at Rand’s project page. On first reading, it looks like they’re contributing to the problem.

  57. cohenite

    This is tautology at its rancid best; the source of social licence approval is the green left which now control the CSIRO; so it devising a test of social licence is merely asking itself while giving a science imprimatur and legitimacy to the whole incestuous process.

    The suckers are the public of course who’ll play no part except pay the price and the boardrooms which lacking political support will cave in to this.

  58. Muddy

    Behind Enemy Lines
    #3135332, posted on August 19, 2019 at 5:23 pm

    It’s a continuation of the pathologising of dissent.

  59. Squirrel

    Looking forward to Voconiq being floated and doing as well as CSL……

  60. David Brewer

    The good news seems to be that Voconiq is being “spun off” as an “independent company”. Presumably that will mean CSIRO stops wasting our money on it.

    The bad news is that they ever started in the first place. In a free society there is no such thing as a social licence to do anything. You have an inherent licence to do whatever has not been legally prohibited, and if anyone wants to stop you, the onus is on them to prove that your actions are prohibited.

    The CSIRO has been “incubating” this incubus for many years. The new chief executive has been a “senior research scientist” at CSIRO, and has a list of “social licensing” publications as long as your arm as well as other beauties such as Norms, prejudice and perceived target sexuality as determinants of behavioural discrimination: Evidence of homophobia in a laboratory setting.

    What is/was someone with a PhD in organisational psychology doing in the CSIRO in the first place? The CSIRO was set up supposedly to do research that would help industry earn more money. Now it is seeking to take money away from industry be selling it activities that pander to its opponents.

  61. Crossie

    I’m sure most businesses have public relations departments whose job it is to manage the corporation’s relationship with customers and society at large. I take this move by CSIRO as an attempt to put all theses people out of work.

    Isn’t it the management’s responsibility to make decisions of this nature? Aren’t university business courses geared to making the tight decisions and not antagonising your customers? Is CSIRO now in the business of putting universities out of business?

    Lastly, social licence or corporate social responsibility are bogus concepts. A corporation should only be interested in making money for its investors while operating within the law. Everything else is a waste of resources and profits.

  62. Milton F:

    Once I thought the CSIRO was pretty good (eg National Standards) but, as someone said above, they pretty much discredited themselves by jumping on the glowbull warming band wagon. Same with BOM.

    The whole Standards Australia was just another bureaucracy building fraud.
    All that was needed was for Parliament to pass legislation deeming certain countries standards to be our standard, then giving a list of acceptable countries.

  63. Eyrie

    CSIRO is a sheltered workshop. Cheaper to keep the bludgers on the dole which is where they would be if they weren’t employed by the CSIRO.
    Know a bloke at uni 40+ years ago who just wanted a job at CSIRO so he would be well paid and never have to work again. He did it. Only physics PhD I know of without any advanced mathematics.
    Had some contact with CSIRO about 15 years or so ago. After signing NDA etc I asked an awkward question and never heard from them again.They were messing about with model helicopters as drones etc which was already being dome commercially. Nice premises though. Very glitzy with hot and cold running receptionists etc. Bludgers.

  64. A Social Licence is an amount of money and/or influence someone pays to be not disrupted by Green Lunatics.
    Sort of like a “Nice business you have here, it’d be a shame if something happened to it.”

  65. Eyrie

    Winston: “All that was needed was for Parliament to pass legislation deeming certain countries standards to be our standard, then giving a list of acceptable countries.”

    We could fire CASA and just adopt the USA’s FAR’s for Australia’s aviation regulation. The US does far more aviation than Australia will ever do and it works just fine.

  66. Eyrie

    ” Sort of like a “Nice business you have here, it’d be a shame if something happened to it.””
    Aka a protection racket. Otherwise known as most government departments.

  67. Chris

    CSIRO is a sheltered workshop. Cheaper to keep the bludgers on the dole which is where they would be if they weren’t employed by the CSIRO.

    Hm. My kids high school one year about ten years ago, the dux was daughter of a very bright guy (I thought), a statistician at CSIRO. A couple of times I ventured strong opinions in committee, which disturbed him.
    I said that ‘As an earth scientist and computer modeller, I can assure you that when I saw that ALL the evidence for global warming was from computer models I knew that it was a con.’
    He was rather disturbed by the idea, as you can imagine.

  68. egg_

    As an earth scientist and computer modeller

    Hence, no notion of predatory Alpha females.

  69. Texas Jack

    Let’s not forget, “social licence” rolled of Turnbull’s tongue every second door-stop. When he wasn’t implementing actual ALP policies he’d be found helping stock their larder for when they eventually won an election.

  70. classical_hero

    Ràbz it. Salt the earth.

  71. Gorgiasl

    I am not an accountant but at 30 June 2018 CSIRO had $2.26 billion in assets. In the year to 30 June 2018 its comprehensive net profit was $51 million – this looks like a return on equity of 2% but it is actually negative if you remove the $110 million of asset revaluations taken to the P&L.

    In cash terms, inflows were $1.3 billion of which $0.8 billion was from the taxpayer and only $0.5 billion was from sales of services. $700 million of this was paid to employees and $500 million to suppliers.

    What right do these bludgers have to generate this meaningless crap on our dollar?

    Shut it down.

  72. The Barking Toad

    A mate of mine worked there for decades – a bloke who worked in the field in a 4WD, out bush collecting data.

    Told me 10 years ago the joint was f—ed.

    Taken over by the gays & hippies.

  73. Entropy

    Ex CSIRO seem to taking over BOM too.

  74. Nob

    Crossie
    #3135382, posted on August 19, 2019 at 6:48 pm
    I’m sure most businesses have public relations departments whose job it is to manage the corporation’s relationship

    Stop right there.

    You mean most BIG businesses. SMEs cannot afford this crap and like all such interference, it benefits the big and kills the small.

  75. Nob

    Ellen,

    In my near forty years in the drilling business, I’ve had some interactions with CSIRO through approaches they’ve made about issues in the technical areas I specialise in.

    All have turned out to be a waste of time and their engineers are mostly no-hopers who would not be employed by oil and gas companies except in some damp basement studying angels dancing on pinheads.

  76. Lilliana

    We are going to have to fight them for it at some stage. We all know this hey?

    Yes – I think it is almost inevitable now.

  77. It’s almost as if there is an international conspiracy to hoist socialism on us /sarc

    Multinational Business Roundtable Now Claims “Social Responsibility” More Important than Profit….

    NEW YORK (Reuters) – Top CEOs say companies should put social responsibility above profit. Corporate America is responsible for providing economic benefits to all, not just its investors, the Business Roundtable group said on Monday.

    They must be using the same communicatins channels as the CAGW fraudsters. One and the same.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/08/19/multinational-business-roundtable-now-claims-social-responsibility-more-important-than-profit/

  78. Chris

    As an earth scientist and computer modeller

    Hence, no notion of predatory Alpha females.

    Why, no. None at all. Except I once spent a happy few months training in a public sector head office in the use of MS-Project Enterprise. This was end of Bush 2 era.
    FMD! There was the HOD and other female high-flyers. HOD says ‘I can’t WAIT until we have a woman President ‘ ( Meaning Clinton – our PS ).
    To which I responded ‘Even better, a BLACK woman President!’ (remember Condi Rice?)
    Of course, after that the 2008 Primary happened, and Clinton got flogged by Obama.

  79. Tim Neilson

    Corporate America is responsible for providing economic benefits to all, not just its investors,

    OK, so I needn’t subscribe to any new IPO or capital raising because it’s their responsibility to give me my cut anyway.

  80. DaveR

    The one organisation that the public should no longer trust is the CSIRO itself.

    Unfortunately there are several government organisations the public should no longer trust.

    The next on the list has to be the Bureau of Meteorology which has so corrupted its prime function as to not be fit for purpose. And it is most likely in breach of its Act that defines its activity. Politicised to the core.

  81. RobK

    From wiki:technocracy

    ] Smyth used the term Technocracy in his 1919 article “‘Technocracy’—Ways and Means to Gain Industrial Democracy,” in the journal Industrial Management (57).[9] Smyth’s usage referred to Industrial democracy: a movement to integrate workers into decision making through existing firms or revolution.[9]

    In the 1930s, through the influence of Howard Scott and the technocracy movement he founded, the term technocracy came to mean, ‘government by technical decision making’, using an energy metric of value. Scott proposed that money be replaced by energy certificates denominated in units such as ergs or joules, equivalent in total amount to an appropriate national net energy budget, and then distributed equally among the North American population, according to resource availability.[10][1]

    Sometimes what is old is new again.

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