Tuesday Forum: August 20, 2019

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  1. pete m

    Gm, no in a civil case they can only seek funds in court as security. He likely can’t fly now safely anyway.

  2. Knuckle Dragger

    The whole poof marriage thing, aside from being a travesty, was nothing more than virtue-signalling and empty flag waving. Assisted, naturally, by every single company and pollie intent on being ‘with it’, much like a 1950s uncle playing rock music to show he’s still cool.

    Right this minute, there are married homos staring blankly at each other over breakfast tables, unshaven and bleary-eyed. The specialness of marriage is now long past. They are no longer celebrated everywhere they go by idiots, and their rebellion has become conformist.

    As they wait for the toaster to go clunk, they’re thinking – but not saying – ‘now what?’

  3. Des Deskperson

    ‘Time to end all info sharing with these countries and I would cut military ties with NZ tomorrow.’

    Back in the eighties when the Lange government banned all visits to NZ by ‘nuclear warships’, I was involved in a study in the Department of Defence of the restive advantages of the ANZ defence relationship to each country.

    I don’t recall the details, but the advantage was very heavily skewed toward NZ. To paraphrase Voltaire, if NZ did not exist, it would have hardly have been necessary to invent it.

    I doubt this has changed very much.

    Arden is the heiress of the Lange government’s political culture, which some would argue is part of NZ’s national culture – sanctimony divorced from consequences. Lange wanted to ban (mainly US) nuclear warship but still wanted the protection provided by ANZUS. Arden wants to abolish homeliness while boasting about her ‘no growth’ budget.

  4. Black Ball

    Good morning all.
    Having looked at the links provided by Diogenes and Mater, if even the ABC casts doubt on Aboriginal people being cast as ‘sub-human’ so to speak, then they are guilty right now of racism. Why? Because if they followed their own journalistic standards, they would allow conservative points of view on shows like Q&A to highlight this.
    And thank you Numbers, your link was exactly the same as what was provided by the aforementioned above. However, I believe you didn’t read further on.

  5. Anthony

    2dogs
    #3136679, posted on August 21, 2019 at 6:29 am
    Pell appeal prediction: retrial, due to not showing the video.

    Least likely outcome for today is a retrial.

    Most likely outcome for today:
    The obvious – the jury decision in trial 2 is completely at odds with all of the evidence. I can’t see three judges willing to go down on record or in history supporting such a decision.

  6. Geriatric Mayfly

    Koala on the run from Alan Jones.

    https://youtu.be/a7CSbnwavJM

  7. Cassie of Sydney

    “pete m
    #3136685, posted on August 21, 2019 at 7:02 am
    Gm, no in a civil case they can only seek funds in court as security. He likely can’t fly now safely anyway.”

    Being the man he is…..and I am mean “man” in the real sense…George Pell won’t run anyway. He is not a coward. I believe his reluctance to return to Australia was due to the fact that he knew (quite rightly) that the spurious allegations were all utterly ludicrous and he knew that he was the subject of a vicious “Get Pell” campaign and thus would not be given a fair trial….all of which has ensued. If he is acquitted today….I would like him to hop on a plane back to Rome…but he isn’t like that….and do you think that for one moment their ABC and Nein newspapers and the cretins on The Project…including that Muesli Brotherhood operative named Squalid…..will let up on Pell? Nope….I don’t think so….the saga will continue.

  8. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    That meant he was from the privileged, Ba’ath party who had his privileged world turn upside-down post the Iraq war.
    Credlin was onto him.

    Yep. No flies on that girl. I just love it when she gets on her skeptical look. And asks the question.
    Why didn’t you try to stay in Malaysia once you got there? Obviously came from Iraq with the intention of getting eventually to Australia.

    Now I agree that he seems to have made a successful life for himself here, and that he is ‘giving back’ now to Iraq in terms of assisting amputees there with his skills. He also argued strongly that he was subject to very unconscionable pressure during the Saddam period. So he had some claim to refugee status. There are no winners in war torn countries; everyone wants to get out. On an individual level that is fine, but multiply it by the whole middle class of such places and it is bad for their own country and in some ways bad for us if they turn out to be country shoppers with no skills who stay here on the dole forever.

  9. calli

    that’s the exact feeling you get when you visit china and talk with the locals it’s a highly oppressed shithole

    Yes, Zippy.

    There are “listeners” all over Tiannamen Square monitoring tourists and their guides. They don’t even try to hide it.

  10. calli

    Seven preparing the way for Pell to walk free.

    Running the line that it will be a terrible result for victims all over the world.

    You know what, Seven numpties? The imprisonment of an innocent man on the flimsiest of “evidence” is the terrible result and diminishes us all.

  11. Buccaneer

    Just reading upthread, Iam I right to translate Figgam as being figjam? F*ck I’m good just ask me?

  12. calli

    Oh, and another thing.

    Who emptied the toaster all over the floor? And is the smear on the bar jam or blood? 😁

  13. custard

    I’m curious that Cardinal Pell is appearing before the wigs today. Are the judges giving us a clue? If they had ruled that his appeal had failed wouldn’t they just leave him inside?

  14. struth

    Had to laugh.
    The head of the Nationals openly proclaims loudly and proudly the NSW Nats are “Agrarian Socialist”.
    Although we’ve always known it, I wonder what Barnaby thinks of belonging to a socialist party.

    The Liberal party, the Labor and Greens are all interchangeable and working to bring about the same agenda, the Uni party as we call it.
    Our PM is a useless no action talker, also following the agenda, just more dishonest and appearing less arrogant than his predecessor who would not vacate the seat until someone willing to implement the agenda replaced him.

    Not one coal power station is being proposed.
    More renewables are going ahead.
    Snowy 2.
    No relaxation of regs.
    Incrementally doing away with cash, and increasing fines for the use of it.
    No denial of the climate scam, they all still bullshit and claim it to be true.
    This particular scam , as with the others before, used totally to bring on the destruction of the west, has been going on since the 1990’s, yet not a pacific Island has been lost, nor a glazier, a polar bear , the dams have filled, the rain has fallen, nor has there been any noticeable difference in Temp felt anywhere in the world.
    As people wake up, it is now being classified as a climate emergency.
    The emergency being that the destruction of the west must be complete before the west pushes back, and the socialist know, time is running out.

    Trump certainly has upset the Agenda.
    That’s why the howls of opposition have been so strong.
    (God bless a nation who’s system can still produce such actual representative politicians).

    Etc etc.
    But when I metaphorically muse that our head of state is Antonio Guterres, I am denounced as a conspiracy theorist.
    Of course, we are controlled by the socialist UN which has helped socialism (communism) globally, gain power by corrupt means.

    So what is the next step.
    If the billions from the western taxpayer stop flowing to jet setting Davos players, lanyard wearing nobody bureaucrats in their millions world wide, now living the high life on this scam, the education departments and funded pseudo scientists in their 20’s bonking each other on taxpayer funded boats out on the great Barrier Reef and calling it research science, had to get real jobs, what then?

    Am I a conspiracy theorist to suggest to you that the destruction of the west has always had a completion date, 2030 so China flexing it’s muscle more than usual right now, is a direct consequence of the fear the west is waking up and the job is not completed yet.
    How much do we owe to just one man?
    May peace be upon him.

    This goes back to yesterday.
    We fight.
    We don’t let lefties use totalitarian tactics against us and then let them fight us using what they demand we can’t have.

  15. calli

    If Seven is calling the pro-life protest “thousands”, then it must have been a huge rally indeed.

    I note there are no wide ange views of the crowd. That says it all.

  16. Knuckle Dragger

    FIGGAM.

    Flugelhorns
    In
    Goats
    Generate
    A
    Migraine.

    Which, by the way, was the result of some of the incomprehensible suggestions made here overnight.

    An hour and a half of ‘Duuuuuuuuuuhhhhhh’.

  17. calli

    Knuckles, all you have to say is “No”.

    Scooby Doo night hasn’t come around these parts for ages.

    Can someone please accuse me of really being Racquel Welch? Ta.

  18. feelthebern

    Quality thread last night.

  19. Geriatric Mayfly

    Running the line that it will be a terrible result for victims all over the world.

    Hyperbowl is off the leash. “Victims” in moozlie lands will suffer no less if there is a terrible result.

  20. Bruce of Newcastle

    Liam Hemsworth and Miley Cyrus recently split after an epic epic 7 month marriage, so it’s nice to see a Hollywood story like this one:

    Douglas has been married to Buydens since 1954. When Fox News asked the couple the secret behind their lasting marriage in 2017, the pair was no-nonsense about their unconventional approach. While Buydens does turn a blind eye to infidelity, the pair, who raised two sons, credited date night for sparking the romance every day.

    “[Date night is] the same as it’s been throughout our marriage,” said Douglas. “We spend what we call the ‘golden hour’ together at around 6:30 each night. We’ll sit and talk and laugh and share our day and our thoughts with each other.”

    “Except now we are very 21st century and bring along our iPads,” added Buydens.

    Spartacus beats brother-of-Thor hands down.

    Kirk Douglas, 102, poses for family photo featuring four generations: ‘Family first’

  21. Cassie of Sydney

    “feelthebern
    #3136703, posted on August 21, 2019 at 7:41 am
    Quality thread last night.”

    I assume you’re being facetious Bern?

  22. Leigh Lowe

    Geriatric Mayfly

    #3136682, posted on August 21, 2019 at 6:52 am

    Talk of civil litigation being bandied about regardless of today’s findings in the Pell travesty. Does this mean forfeiture of passport while the money chasers go about their business?

    They will do anything to prevent him leaving the country so that the lynch-mob can do their work.

  23. feelthebern

    You didn’t find the fighting funny?

  24. 1735099

    nor a glazier

    I think he means “glacier”, unless climate change is bad for windows.
    And yes, glaciers have disappeared.
    This one’s in Iceland…..

  25. struth

    We don’t let lefties use totalitarian tactics against us and then let them fight us using what they demand we can’t have.

    That goes for coal, as well as free speech.
    A level playing field and they don’t stand a chance.
    Trump understands and truly believes in the wealth generation only freedom can achieve.
    He knows, given an even playing field, we would win in a canter.
    He’s always on about it.
    An even playing field.
    They don’t get coal when we don’t and they don’t get free speech they attempt to take from us.
    Anyone who allows this is basically complicit.

  26. Farmer Gez

    The little gods of the media won’t admit error in the Pell case.
    They scoff at the infallibility of the Pope and yet don the same mantle themselves.

    Squalid Ali couldn’t say he was wrong about the Boston bombers anymore than he could admit his own bias confirmation when dealing with the outcome of the last federal election.
    “ We all got it wrong” dodges your own personal failings. It takes a fully developed adult to admit error and apologise for it. There are few adults in media class.

  27. feelthebern

    BHP should be down about a buck this morning if they open where the ADRs closed.

  28. Mater

    Black Ball,

    If you are truely interested in the forging of myths into the weapons we are currently witnessing, can I recommend two very short articles. They can then guide further research, should you wish – or have doubts.

    They deal with different, but equally important aspects. They shocked me at little, as I thought myself reasonably well informed. I’ve further studied some of the original references, and I see little reason to disagree with them.

    http://www.kooriweb.org/foley/resources/pdfs/197.pdf

    https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/bennelong-papers/2017/02/fabrication-aboriginal-voting/

    In regards to the second article, I’ve also done what he did and looked up my family’s aboriginal ancestors in the historical NSW electoral rolls, and found them listed circa 1930’s. An interesting experiment given the wide misunderstandings about the aboriginal right to vote.

    Both worth a read. Doesn’t take long.

  29. Knuckle Dragger

    I said no, calli. And the last time. And no means no.

    In the end I just lay back and thought of England, and repainting the ceiling.

    As an aside, I suspect you would make Ms Welch look like two dozen cabbages in a mouldy wheat bag.

  30. struth

    think he means “glacier”, unless climate change is bad for windows.
    And yes, glaciers have disappeared.

    Spellcheck.
    Sue me.
    We lose and gain glaciers all the time Numbers, you fucking imbecile.
    It’s not caused by man.
    Remember folks, according to socialists, only western coal is bad, only western borders should be opened.

    It’s war……………….purely and simply, yet this imbecile calls for the silence of his opposition but doesn’t want the same applied to him.

  31. Geriatric Mayfly

    And yes, glaciers have disappeared.

    Thank God for that. A great day’s fishing on the Rakaia river last March, where once there was a c.900 metre thickness of ice, gouging out a valley 2km wide.

  32. Tel

    Unless you are into media watch dog type “spot the deliberate mistake” posts, read back through your own with a clear mind. Plenty of opportunity to spot the errors …

    Ohhh ohhh … I know the answer!

    There’s no such word as FIGGAM … is that the deliberate mistake?

    I should be a media watchdog. I’m smarter than the ABC.

  33. Geriatric Mayfly

    Refresh my memory. Something at the Paywallian about Hinch and Dunstan’s missus. Anything to do with Dunstan usually has a juicy element to it.

  34. Bruce of Newcastle

    Numbers – the glaciers in places like Iceland are linked to the AMO, which is a measure of the sea surface temperature in the northern Atlantic. Even you should be able to see from the graph the obvious switcheroo in Iceland temperatures that is coming soon.

    There are already signs. Greenland had two big snow winters in 2017 and 2018. That has caused one of their most closely watched glaciers to grow rapidly again. And Arctic sea ice is closely linked to the AMO too, so when the AMO flips you will see advancing sea ice. Which will be a bummer for Trump’s Greenland hopes.

    Also it’s amusing that the supposedly disappeared glacier is located in the throat of a volcano. I like to keep an eye on Icelandic volcanoes at the Iceland Weather Service site. It’s a good page.

  35. struth

    Yep. No flies on that girl. I just love it when she gets on her skeptical look

    Yeah, she’s not bad, Lizzie, however she is still a party hack and nowhere near as switched on as say, Rowan Dean.
    She still has stars in her eyes regarding Sco Mo, and hasn’t put two and two completely together because of her too close proximity to the Libs.
    But , hey, she’s pretty good, all the same.
    The Yank James Morrow is a man with the smarts amongst them and also the integrity.

  36. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Hinch defiant on Dunstan wife broadcast

    Exclusive
    David Penberthy
    South Australia Correspondent
    @penbo
    12:00AM August 21, 2019
    63 Comments

    An unrepentant Derryn Hinch has stood by his decision to broadcast details of the terminal cancer diagnosis given to the ­second wife of the late South Australian premier Don Dunstan in an explosive broadcast in the late 1970s.

    Five months before the death of Adele Koh in October 1978, Hinch used his talkback program on Melbourne radio station 3XY to reveal that the glamorous ­Malaysian-born journalist, who married the former premier in 1976, was dying.

    Hinch’s broadcast breached one of the most extraordinary but well-meaning cover-ups Australian journalism had seen, with every Adelaide news organisation knowing about Koh’s ­diagnosis but declining to reveal details at the personal request of the devastated premier.

    Even when Hinch made the revelations, no SA media outlet reported the news until Kho died on October 24 that year.

    A new biography of Dunstan by historian Angela Woollacott, the Manning Clark Professor of History at the Australian National University, documents the extent to which Dunstan hated Hinch as a result, accusing him of hastening his wife’s death.

    “This piece of bastardry did ­affect her condition markedly and I have never forgiven him,” Dunstan said after Koh ’s death.

    Hinch was unrepentant at the time. “I never made a deal,” he said. “She’s a public figure, she’s the wife of the premier.”

    Yesterday, Hinch said it was a disgrace the media had agreed to go along with Dunstan’s request, saying he had “no qualms whatsoever” about his actions. He said it was a valid political story because it involved a public figure.

    “I wasn’t calling for people to be intrusive and to go and get photographs of her in her hospital bed,” Hinch told The Australian.

    “The reason it was a political story is Dunstan had managed to cow the Liberal opposition into going easy on him, at a time when his government and his conduct were starting to unravel.

    From the Oz. Nobody supporting Hunch in the comments.

  37. struth

    Refresh my memory. Something at the Paywallian about Hinch and Dunstan’s missus. Anything to do with Dunstan usually has a juicy element to it.

    Thanks for the mental picture…………………………………..shame shame shame.

  38. Mother Lode

    The whole poof marriage thing, aside from being a travesty, was nothing more than virtue-signalling and empty flag waving.

    True.

    It wasn’t about what they could win, but what they could make others lose.

    Marriage was about family, which is to say creating a family and the raising of it. It supplied the first relationships, the first experiences, and the first encounter with the outside world. Wisdom would be passed and adults molded. Families connecting to other families formed the building blocks of communities.

    Naturally the activists needed desperately to corrode this unit so society could be made, not bottom up, but top down. Top, where they would be waiting with knives and forks, and slavering jaws.

    Activists always seem to me not great people, but people with parts missing, which they try to make up for by hypertrophying some of the faculties they do possess: Their lack of empathy and their lack of appreciation of others they cover by exaggeratedly posing as the people’s champion with their great (single) cause. Their lack of knowledge and perspective they cover by memorising vast tendentious screeds (like Marxism) embodying a synthetic world view bursting with axioms explaining what things ‘really’ are. Their insecurity about being listened to or believed they make up for by shouting loudly, constantly, and inserting themselves into every conversation.

    These are the people for whom the concept of vats of sulphuric acid was ordained by God Almighty, and which it is our part to in His plan to create and employ as He wills.

    Amen.

  39. Farmer Gez

    Also it’s amusing that the supposedly disappeared glacier is located in the throat of a volcano. I like to keep an eye on Icelandic volcanoes at the Iceland Weather Service site. It’s a good page.

    Exactly what I thought BoN when looking at the climate victim glacier.
    The media articles studiously ignore the possibility of underground volcanic activity and the satellite photos of the site looked like a volcanic cone to my untrained eye.
    Maybe Bjork’s insane warbling melted the glacier.

  40. 1735099

    Not a Pacific Island has been lost, nor a glazier (sic)

    And a few posts later –

    We lose and gain glaciers all the time, you fucking imbecile

    Definition of an imbecile – somebody who contradicts himself, but is completely oblivious to the fact.

  41. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Refresh my memory. Something at the Paywallian about Hinch and Dunstan’s missus. Anything to do with Dunstan usually has a juicy element to it.

    Certainly got that one right.

    Dunstan’s secret affair with Judith Pugh

    David Penberthy
    South Australia Correspondent
    @penbo
    12:00AM August 21, 2019
    7 Comments

    The day after Don Dunstan and his estranged wife Gretel sold their home, the South Australian premier began one of many torrid and hitherto secret affairs, this one with the partner of one of Australia’s best portrait artists.

    Judith Pugh, the much younger de facto partner of artist Clifton Pugh, himself married to another woman, met Dunstan at a Writers Week function in 1972.

    Clifton Pugh, who would win the Archibald Prize for his portrait of Gough Whitlam that still hangs in Parliament House, had driven with Judith Pugh from Melbourne to Adelaide to meet Dunstan, whose portrait he had arranged to paint. Dunstan was instantly smitten with Judith, who arrived at the Writers Week function in a dress with a plunging neckline exposing much of her chest, on which her partner had painted ribbons and butterflies.

    Dunstan started an affair with Judith almost immediately. Dunstan would ring her up to four times a day, once bursting into tears over the phone when a dinner party dish he prepared turned out to be inedible.

    In a bracing insight into the swinging 1970s, Dunstan biographer Angela Woollacott reveals how Judith became pregnant but was unsure as to the paternity of the child, prompting the following resolution: “Clif realised that Dunstan’s political image was at stake, so he proposed a sequence of events that would make the situation respectable: he would divorce his legal wife and marry Judith; Judith would have the baby; she and Clif would divorce; then she and Don would marry.”

    This convoluted arrangement was never implemented; sadly, Judith miscarried at seven months, but through all this Dunstan and the Pughs remained friends, even holidaying together at Port Willunga the following summer.

    More from the Oz.

  42. Mother Lode

    And thank you Numbers, your link was exactly the same as what was provided by the aforementioned above. However, I believe you didn’t read further on.

    Ha!

    I had not even read that when I posted by comment about the kind of people that are activists. Covers Numbers too.

    What are the odds?

  43. Whalehunt fun

    Odds, numbers.
    There us a pun there but one so subtle I do not see it clearly.

  44. mh

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    6h
    Sorry, I don’t buy Rep. Tlaib’s tears. I have watched her violence, craziness and, most importantly, WORDS, for far too long. Now tears? She hates Israel and all Jewish people. She is an anti-Semite. She and her 3 friends are the new face of the Democrat Party. Live with it!

  45. feelthebern

    Not a Pacific Island has been lost, nor a glazier (sic)

    This from the fuckwit who blamed his own bad spelling on predictive text.
    You got nothing numbers.
    Apart from a slap-down from Sinc yesterday at 11:17am.

  46. mh

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    6h
    Sorry, I don’t buy Rep. Tlaib’s tears. I have watched her violence, craziness and, most importantly, WORDS, for far too long. Now tears? She hates Israel and all Je wish people. She is an anti-Sem ite. She and her 3 friends are the new face of the Democrat Party. Live with it!

  47. struth

    Not a Pacific Island has been lost, nor a glazier (sic)

    And a few posts later –

    We lose and gain glaciers all the time, you fucking imbecile

    Definition of an imbecile – somebody who contradicts himself, but is completely oblivious to the fact.

    We have not lost one glacier or Island to Man Made glowball warmening.

    We haven’t had a drought caused by it either.
    But we’ve had droughts………………………..as we’ve always had.

    This may be a bit hard for you to grasp, so in the interests of others, the ones with full mental capacity, go and have a bath and take the toaster with you.

  48. Leigh Lowe

    Blot had some journo on last night talking about the Pell matter.
    He made some off-hand “smoke = fire” remark that the number of complaints was a concern. He fails to mention that the complaints were the result of an intense ABC/VikPol trawling operation, and all but one fell over legally. And many failed not merely because of lack of evidence or passage of time, but because they were “not credible” or even “not possible” (ie bullshit).
    Blot let this fuckwit ramble with the merest lettuce leaf admonishment.
    When asked about Pell’s safety on the outside, said journo helpfully gave a description of Pell’s digs during the trial which could be narrowed to 3-4 specific locations.

  49. feelthebern

    Hey-zeus.
    Sydney Airport reporting a 7.8% decline in traffic numbers from China during July.
    While some like IT might cheer that stat on, the adults in the room realise that this is not ideal.

  50. Mater

    And thank you Numbers, your link was exactly the same as what was provided by the aforementioned above. However, I believe you didn’t read further on.

    And if you read to the bottom of that articles, you come across this little gem:

    Editor’s note (20/03/2018): A previous version of this fact check contained information about Indigenous voting rights and a table showing the various rights of Indigenous people in some states by 1967. The information and table were sourced from the National Museum of Australia. After publication, it was discovered that the source material was erroneous, and has therefore been removed. It does not change our verdict.

    As is pointed out in the first article I linked to above, the academic ‘errors’ around this topic are both embarrassing and incredibly dangerous for us as a country.

  51. stackja

    Why the US has lost to Russia in these top coding trials for almost a decade

    Among ICPC’s alumni are Facebook’s former CTO Adam D’Angelo, Apache Spark’s creator Matei Zaharia, and the CEO of Zappos, Tony Hsieh.

    Although ICPC World Finals are only scheduled in June next year, the Russians are already training hard, and are coached by the country’s former champions.

    “Experienced mentors, who have repeatedly trained ICPC winners, can point out weaknesses and suggest what types of tasks a team should practice,” Alexey Maleev, ICPC 2020 Moscow director, says.

    Each member of a Russian team has a specific role. “Someone can be a mathematician, while someone else enters the code into the computer. A team can have a leader who decides whether to move on if the problem is not solved or stick to it,” Maleev says.

    He believes that the Russians have a good chance of winning for the ninth time next year, mainly because top Russian students excel when it comes to hard work, abstract thinking, and math skills.

    And there are several reasons for that, Maleev says. First, science, technology, engineering, and math education starts at an early age.

    “Elementary-school students solve many problems in which it’s necessary to keep several steps in mind. The ban on calculator use in lessons and olympiads means the students have to keep a lot in their heads,” he says.

    Second, he argues that Russian school students are exposed to abstract concepts quite early, which promotes abstract thinking. Polynomials, for instance, are taught in middle school.

    It also helps that Russian universities fully support coding competitions and go the extra mile to prepare high-performing students not only from this country, but from others as well.

    For the past eight years, the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology has organized workshops to train students for ICPC.

  52. Percy Popinjay

    As they wait for the toaster to go clunk, they’re thinking – but not saying – ‘now what?’

    Their time in the Family Kangaroo Court’s blazing sun.

  53. mh

    Blot let this fuckwit ramble with the merest lettuce leaf admonishment.

    Why anyone here bothers with Dolt is puzzling.

  54. woolfe

    When you type chicago shootings in google you get newspaper reports with no heyjackass.com. On bing heyjackass is the lead item.

    Google is part of the censorship machine, soon any search will only bring up approved sites.

  55. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    In the space of a few years in the 1970s, Don Dunstan separated from his first wife, had at least four passionate affairs — with a Brazilian actress, a Greek female union activist, a male member of his staff who later became a heroin addict and the female partner of his artist friend Clifton Pugh — while writing a cookbook that likened making a meal to making love.

    All while he was South Australian premier.

    Seems Don Dunstan didn’t half put it about, as my mad Pommy mate used to say.

  56. Rafiki redux

    I guess Anthony at 7.03 is right. And he is correct to point to the self-interest of the appeal judges. Taking a non-technical view, the evidence in this case includes Pell’s refusal to face cross-examination. It is reasonable for a fact-finder to think ‘if you won’t defend yourself, that’s because you can’t’. The law does not allow this reasoning, but that is not how many will make their judgment.

  57. melting glaziers

    Pfft.
    I asked him and he responded:
    “ferkin cold innit?”

  58. Cassie of Sydney

    “mh
    #3136731, posted on August 21, 2019 at 8:27 am
    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    6h
    Sorry, I don’t buy Rep. Tlaib’s tears. I have watched her violence, craziness and, most importantly, WORDS, for far too long. Now tears? She hates Israel and all Je wish people. She is an anti-Sem ite. She and her 3 friends are the new face of the Democrat Party. Live with it!”

    I love Donald Trump.

  59. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    As is pointed out in the first article I linked to above, the academic ‘errors’ around this topic are both embarrassing and incredibly dangerous for us as a country.

    Mater, I’d recommend Rod Moran’s book “Massacre Myth” as required reading.

  60. Bruce of Newcastle

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    Sorry, I don’t buy Rep. Tlaib’s tears.

    Upthread the story of the Palis banning qwerties was linked. This morning Ms Tlaib’s Squad comrade Ilhan Omar finds someone to blame:

    Ilhan Omar blasts Israel after Palestinian Authority cracks down on LGBT rights

    “Pretending that this act somehow balances or mitigates Israel violating the dignity & rights of Palestinians – or undermines case for defending Palestinian rights – is deplorable!” Ms. Omar tweeted.

    She and Rep. Rashida Tlaib, Michigan Democrat, retweeted a post from alQaws, a Palestinian gay-rights group that had been planning to hold an event later this month, which vowed to fight the ban while condemning “Israel’s colonization and military occupation.”

    There you go. If Israel hadn’t refused to be genocided the Pali Authority would lurve qwerty peoples.

  61. Leigh Lowe

    Astounding news.
    Don Dunstan was straight?
    Inconceivable!

  62. Leigh Lowe

    Anthony at 7:03

    Most likely outcome for today:
    The obvious – the jury decision in trial 2 is completely at odds with all of the evidence. I can’t see three judges willing to go down on record or in history supporting such a decision.

    Hopefully.
    It is not just a matter of “going down in history”.
    They could be severely embarrassed before the High Court in a matter of months.

  63. struth

    Could you imagine the Australian media keeping quiet if Sco mo or Trump’s wife had cancer?
    The token wife of a poof Premier on the left and it’s a whole different story, and that was back in the seventies.
    Thank god for the bipartisan media we have nowadays!

  64. feelthebern

    Don Dunstan was straight?

    Wasn’t he flaming ?

  65. John Constantine

    https://www.beefcentral.com/news/opinion-how-do-we-fund-australias-herd-rebuilding-when-the-bank-account-is-empty/

    Beef Central asks the billion dollar question: Now the australian banks have gone through the royal commission and are refusing to lend the billions of dollars it will take to restock australias herds and flocks after the drought, what new structure will provide the capital to restock as we seek the creative destruction of rural lending?.

    Given interest rates at worthless lows, there is a pool of money seeking returns and a demand for restocking finance, but australian banks no longer offer middleman service.

    Comrade Maaaaates or

    Blockchain Maaaaaates?.

  66. Tom

    Astounding news.
    Don Dunstan was straight?
    Inconceivable!

    Only part-time, Leigh.

  67. Infidel Tiger

    While some like IT might cheer that stat on, the adults in the room realise that this is not ideal.

    Yeah, this country desperately needs more commies and fifth columns.

  68. Farmer Gez

    I reckon the appeal will be found in Pell’s favour based on an unsafe verdict.

    The judiciary is deeply concerned about the jury system when high profile individuals face judgement. The ex-attorney general of Victoria told Jon Faine that it should have been a judge only trial and he’s a labor guy.

  69. Bruce of Newcastle

    Now the australian banks have gone through the royal commission and are refusing to lend the billions of dollars it will take to restock australias herds

    So farmers howled and screeched at the RC that the banks were bastards, and now the banks daren’t lend them money? Oh.

  70. dover_beach

    Taking a non-technical view, the evidence in this case includes Pell’s refusal to face cross-examination. It is reasonable for a fact-finder to think ‘if you won’t defend yourself, that’s because you can’t’.

    Can it be reasonable given the quantity of contrary evidence presented in the trial? The other thing here is that it runs counter to Pell submitting to police interview when he clearly could have avoided it, as well as any possible extradition, and return of his own volition to face trial. To draw the inference that he is despite all this, ‘unwilling to defend himself because he can’t’ is simply unreasonable.

  71. Tom

    The ex-attorney general of Victoria told Jon Faine that it should have been a judge only trial and he’s a labor guy.

    Pell got a jury trial because that was the easiest way for the media, led by the ABC, to procure a miscarriage of justice on behalf of the baying mob.

  72. calli

    Bern, your countdown from yesterday’s smackdown has given me an earworm.

    Here. I’ll be generous and share it. Love the big bouffant do’s.

  73. Percy Popinjay

    Squalid Ali couldn’t say he was wrong about the Boston bombers

    One of the privileges of being a perpetual irritant trumpeted incessantly onto the nation’s telescreens via the braindead lamestream meeja.

    The vile creature’s analysis of today’s Pell decision will be almost be worth watching if the latter’s appeal is upheld.

    The “cat’s bum mouth” factor will be bloody hilarious.

  74. calli

    Astounding news.
    Don Dunstan was straight?
    Inconceivable!

    Of course he was.

    He wore manly safari suits.

  75. Mater

    Thank you mater.

    Not sure what for, Bern, but you’re welcome.

  76. Bruce of Newcastle

    The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire!*

    In “Explosive” Lawsuit Walmart Sues Tesla Over Solar Panel Fires, Claims SolarCity Purchase Was A Bailout

    On Tuesday, Walmart sued Tesla, after its solar panels atop seven of the retailer’s stores allegedly caught fire, alleging breach of contract, gross negligence and failure to live up to industry standards. Walmart is asking Tesla to remove solar panels from more than 240 Walmart locations where they have been installed, and to pay damages related to all the fires Walmart says that Tesla caused.

    Walmart said it had leased or licensed roof space on top of more than 240 stores to Tesla’s energy operations unit, formerly known as SolarCity (which was basically a bailout by Elon Musk for Elon Musk who was also the largest SolarCity shareholder), for the installation and operation of solar systems. But as of November, fires had broken out at no fewer than seven of the stores, forcing the disconnection of all the solar panel systems for the safety of the public.

    I wonder when the insurance companies will notice that buildings with solar panels on them have an increased propensity to burn down?

    (* Enjoy)

  77. 1735099

    We have not lost one glacier or Island to Man Made glowball warmening.

    From “not one lost” to “not one lost through global warming”.
    That grinding sound is the goalposts being shifted.

  78. mh

    Harvard University, which boasts an endowment of almost $40 billion, has received taxpayer funds for a Tweeting Tree project.

    A witness tree
    @awitnesstree
    Yesterday, it was very hot. With a daily average of 27 ℃ (80.5 ℉), it was the 24th hottest day I can remember.
    11:20 AM – Jul 22, 2019

    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/08/20/report-harvard-tweeting-tree-project-on-climate-change-funded-by-taxpayer-dollars/

  79. Eyrie

    “Cathay Pacific Rupert Hogg was told by Beijing authorities to hand over a list of his employees who had taken part in the protests in Hong Kong. Hogg obliged and handed over the list, which only contained one name – his own.”
    Outstanding! Trump needs to now award this guy the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

  80. calli

    Lol. The Heart Foundation now says full fat dairy is okay.

    After decades of telling us to consume hideous skim products, we are now “allowed” to have the real thing. Watch the price of cream soar.

    But no! to meat. Because some control of the proles must be maintained.

  81. 132andBush

    1735099

    #3136772, posted on August 21, 2019 at 9:05 am

    We have not lost one glacier or Island to Man Made glowball warmening.

    From “not one lost” to “not one lost through global warming”.
    That grinding sound is the goalposts being shifted.

    That frenzied scrabbling of straws nearly being clutched.

  82. Geriatric Mayfly

    He wore manly safari suits.

    Much, much more macho were the pink shorts.

  83. Cardimona

    Bruce of Newcastle

    Bruce, I was just drafting a letter and wanted to quote Rutgers snow lab – https://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/

    However, when I checked the link I found the site has had a redesign and no longer features the three graphs that show increasing snow cover (that I could find, anyway).

    Do you know of an alternate site I could cite?

  84. Leigh Lowe

    Pell got a jury trial because that was the easiest way for the media, led by the ABC, to procure a miscarriage of justice on behalf of the baying mob.

    The Liars conveniently ditched judge only trials in Victorianistan a while ago.
    Although, in the light of the Nicola Gobbo fuck up, there might be current and former Police Commissioners who may live to regret that.

  85. calli

    Watched the Hubbard glacier calving on my last holiday. It’s advancing at a remarkable rate and the noise it makes is unforgettable. I thought it was the ship ramming something in the bay, but it was the glacier grinding along.

    Around Disenchantment bay are the remains of old glaciers, the tell-tale U shaped valleys now empty of ice. One day the Hubbard will be exactly the same.

  86. Percy Popinjay

    He wore manly safari suits.

    Dunstan’s most profound moment in public life was the occasion he recited vogon poetry while clad in pink hot pants and astride an elephant.

    Yet there are commenters on this blog who still have the gall to claim that the seventies were a monstrous, nightmare inducing cultural and social wasteland infested with drug and alcohol addled cretins clad in the most tasteless and preposterous clothing in human history, all the while determined to copulate with anything that appeared to be even semi-animate.

    Shame, shame, shame, I tells ya.

  87. Leigh Lowe

    Geriatric Mayfly

    #3136780, posted on August 21, 2019 at 9:16 am

    He wore manly safari suits.

    Much, much more macho were the pink shorts.

    No, no, no.
    They were not mere shorts.
    They were hot pants.

  88. calli

    Those straws are recyclable.

    They will melt away like tears in rain.

  89. old bloke

    calli
    #3136702, posted on August 21, 2019 at 7:41 am

    Can someone please accuse me of really being Racquel Welch? Ta.

    Nope, I identify you as Gilberto José Rodríguez Orejuela, the leader of the notorious Calli Cartel.

  90. Farmer Gez

    Appeal dismissed.
    God help us!

  91. MatrixTransform

    Definition of an imbecile – somebody who contradicts himself, but is completely oblivious to the fact.

    Well, Numpty is definitely an expert in this area and we should defer to his broad expertise on this matter

  92. 132andBush

    calli

    #3136788, posted on August 21, 2019 at 9:20 am

    Those straws are recyclable.

    They will melt away like tears in rain.

    Lol, Calli.
    I did type “plastic” then backspaced to keep it simple.
    We all know the only straws worth clutching are plastic. 🙂

  93. struth

    This particular scam , as with the others before, used totally to bring on the destruction of the west, has been going on since the 1990’s, yet not a pacific Island has been lost, nor a glazier, a polar bear , the dams have filled, the rain has fallen, nor has there been any noticeable difference in Temp felt anywhere in the world.

    From “not one lost” to “not one lost through global warming”.
    That grinding sound is the goalposts being shifted.

    Cherry picking this sentence, we see true trolling yet no argument does Numbers mount.
    Polar bears have died too, but as this statement surely makes clear, it’s what we have lost to Climate Change.
    As someone who has openly stated that he actively is a member or works with the sleeping midgets against free speech, I ask you again Sinclair, why do you not give him a taste of his own medicine?
    You claim you want him here to provide the opposite view, but he doesn’t provide anything.
    At least with Monty, he’d make moronic statements and spew forth the left wing chants supplied to him.
    Sniffy supplies no alternative views at all, and has already been demolished on the bullshit he has brought forth.
    As he is no value here, and also ACTIVELY WORKS AGAINST FREE SPEECH, why are you granting it to him here?
    Surely you have another lefty in the wings?
    This one is done.

  94. Bruce of Newcastle

    Cardimona – The Rutgers pages haven’t recently changed that I can recall. This page is the snow cover anomaly graph that I’ve added a regression line to on my Flickr gallery.

    I’m not quite sure what you want to cite. The Greenland ice mass data is at DMI, it always shows a rise over the year because it doesn’t factor in the ice flow into the sea – only the snow falling onto the ice cap.

    If you need something else pls describe what you have in mind as I can probably find it. Unfortunately the previously excellent Cryosphere Today website disappeared a few years ago, which is a shame.

  95. Cardimona

    Bruce of Newcastle

    Thanks, Bruce, but wasn’t there a Rutgers page that showed three graphs complete with trend lines?
    I had this letter in several papers back in February of this year…

    The Editor

    Know what doesn’t lie, homogenise or exaggerate? Water. Water has properties that depend solely on temperature and pressure – completely impervious to agitprop.

    Frozen water does not lie, so if Earth is warming unnaturally there will be less frozen water, right?

    Rutgers University’s Global Snow Lab (https://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/) has reliable information on the extent of frozen water across the surface of Earth.

    There are three graphs linked on the front page of their website. All the trendlines show increasing amounts of frozen, truth-telling water.

    That’s the opposite of global warming, folks. The global warming myth is busted.

    It was a great link because anyone could see the trends weren’t for decreasing snow cover.

  96. Eyrie

    Conviction upheld for that Archbishop.

  97. Farmer Gez

    The Appeals Court.
    Pell is convicted because it could have happened.
    And it could be open to the jury to find him guilty.
    The complainant appeared to them to be truthful.
    Pell it seems is not given the same benefit. No weight given to his record.
    A story well told wins.

  98. Eyrie

    The Heart Foundation wouldn’t know anything about diet.

  99. Cardimona

    This Pell result says we need to evacuate Cats and then build a wall around Vikostan.

  100. Bruce of Newcastle

    Cardimona – It looks like the DMI Greenland data site has changed, but you can find it all at Polar Portal. They’re a bunch of climatistas, so always keep to the data/graphs.

  101. Diogenes

    The Heart Foundation wouldn’t know anything about diet.

    The Heart Foundation … the reason for the Diabetes Foundation

  102. Indolent

    Is it the protestors damaging HK or is it those idiots in Beijing ?

    Max, can you provide a link to this article? Where did it appear?

  103. Farmer Gez

    The animation was not allowed because it would sway the jury.
    You’re not allowed to defend yourself unless it fits with the prosecution evidence???

  104. Geriatric Mayfly

    Pile on the pressure Barnaby. Yourself and Latham should team up and give Glad the Impaler an even bigger headache.

    NSW ABORTION BILL
    Butt out, Barnaby: Barilaro
    Barnaby Joyce has been blasted for “hijacking” the abortion debate and “lecturing” constituents.

  105. Farmer Gez

    Weinberg not happy judging from the expressions.

  106. dover_beach

    The Appeals Court.
    Pell is convicted because it could have happened.
    And it could be open to the jury to find him guilty.
    The complainant appeared to them to be truthful.
    Pell it seems is not given the same benefit. No weight given to his record.
    A story well told wins.

    That is a perfect summary of the 2 judges’ reasoning dismissing Pell’s appeal.

  107. Bruce of Newcastle

    but wasn’t there a Rutgers page that showed three graphs complete with trend lines?

    Cardimona – Ok, I’ve found what you are thinking of – it’s the winter snow extent. The fall snow extent is also rising, but spring is down. Go figure.

  108. dover_beach

    Weinberg not happy judging from the expressions.

    Indeed. He even separated himself when they left the court.

  109. Carpe Jugulum:

    That was a bit long, sorry troops.

    It’s fine, Carpe.
    You are quite right – 40+ years of socialist sand dumping into the gearbox of Australia has certainly had its effect.
    I’m surprised you didn’t quietly warn this fuckwit that someone had put a price on his head for whatever reason. Perhaps a local dad with a pretty daughter and a short fuse.

  110. Calli:

    “The Left love to lecture us about ‘gender equality’, but in this bill, they refuse to outlaw the barbaric practice of people not wanting children because they are female children.”

    The Feminist movement and this law have only one thing in common – and it’s not female rights, it’s the legalised slaughter of children.

  111. Farmer Gez

    The case against Pell relies on a bullshit tale about pinching altar wine.
    We are talking about the mid 90’s, I was a altar boy in the 70’s and you didn’t need to steal altar wine to get a drink at that age. Opportunities abound for underage drinking.
    Every catholic child knows the Sacristy is a no go zone and yet the jury believed they would enter that room for a sly drink. Crap with bells on it.

  112. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Crap with bells on it.

    Bollocks on stilts. H/T Jupes.

  113. Ivan Denisovitch:

    The push to force doctors with a conscientious objection to refer for abortion is very worrying. Given that referrals are not required to access abortion, together with the availability of information available on the Internet, a doctor’s refusal to assist a woman achieve an abortion does not impede her access to it. Mandatory referral as required in the bill has no practical function other than to unjustly infringe the freedom of health practitioners who take a different view about abortion than the state, and penalize them for it with potential disciplinary action. This is clearly inappropriate for a diverse society and sets a concerning precedent for other morally controversial health services the state may endorse in the future.

    Now you see the aim of the legislation. It isn’t about concern for the mother, or the child, it’s about power and the ability to force people to do things they do not want to do.

  114. Cardimona

    Bruce of Newcastle

    Thank you, sir, your assistance is much appreciated.

  115. Geriatric Mayfly

    All we can hope for now is that George is confined at a low security “prison farm,” rather than caged in a fortress. No doubt the likes of the ABC would pursue him even there, and bring us high rotation reports of how easy life has become for him. He may even be allowed to celebrate Mass. Oh! The humanity. Oh! The horror.

  116. notafan

    GM will be Ararat, I hope.

    I pray the High Court will speedily grant leave for an appeal

  117. Bruce of Newcastle

    Fat people are saving the planet.

    Harvard Nutrition Professor: Keto Dieters ‘Irresponsible Stewards of the Planet’

    “Eating a keto diet that’s especially high in red meat will be undermining the sustainability of the climate,” Harvard nutrition professor Dr. Walter Willett told Business Insider. “It’s bad for the person eating it, but also really bad for our children and our grandchildren, so that’s something I think we should totally, strongly advise against. It’s — in fact — irresponsible.”

    I wonder if he’s factored in that vegan-produced methane is a 15 times worse greenhouse gas?

  118. notafan

    OCO I don’t know whether you are serious or no but KD is not Mark of Canberra etc(I believe he still occasionally posts here though under a different name though)

    Knuckles has provided too much autobiographical detail over the last couple of years.

    I was thinking of teasing him with a potted biography but won’t

    Except to say his boasting of a dalliance with a lesbian policewoman called Nickie in the late 1990s was no doubt true (I was looking at articles by Louise Milligan and stumbled on one about this particular lady) KD’ description of here was very accurate 🙂

  119. Roger

    The Heart Foundation has mandated that we can eat 350g of lean beef, veal, lamb or pork a week.

    Oh joy!

    How long before the government starts issuing ration tickets?

  120. OCO:

    Did you drop a zero off of your numbers, carpe? The guy only wants a $5k payout…hell, give baby his candy! $5k might cover the cost of T-bone steaks for a couple of days on a decent-sized operation.

    Pay the Danegeld once, and you guarantee him returning next year.

  121. cohenite

    dover_beach

    #3136874, posted on August 21, 2019 at 10:02 am

    The Appeals Court.
    Pell is convicted because it could have happened.
    And it could be open to the jury to find him guilty.
    The complainant appeared to them to be truthful.
    Pell it seems is not given the same benefit. No weight given to his record.
    A story well told wins.

    On the facts it was physically and situationally impossible.

  122. dover_beach

    On the facts it was physically and situationally impossible.

    According to the CJ, it is open to the jury to decide if something is “physically and situationally impossible”.

  123. Twostix:

    There is indeed a secretive cross party cabal operating and it is operating internationally across and between all anglosphere nations. It is no coincidence that these laws are being rammed through all over the anglosphere under the exact same circumstances at the same time.
    And as we see in America: it crosses into the bureaucracy too and nearly toppled a president, it cuts across the corporate boardroom and media.

    I happen to think you are correct in your theory – it seems like all the different bugman movements are, in fact, coalescing into an organised cabal.
    Do you have any further thoughts on the Cabal?

  124. Dr Faustus

    Reliable as the Victorian justice system, but the Essential Report backs up NewsPoll.
    Therapeutic Albo: as popular as Morrison, but not wanted as Prime Minister.

    Anthony Albanese’s cunning plan for success: Not Bill Shorten. That’s it.
    No, really.

  125. Roger

    Anthony Albanese’s cunning plan for success: Not Bill Shorten.

    Mr. 28%.

    Wait until he starts opening his mouth.

  126. Dr Faustus

    Keto Diet.

    Mrs Faustus and I have medically approved BMI’s, but after I gave a thoughtlessly incorrect answer to a ‘Does my bum look big in this?’ type question, I was subjected to a week of keto.

    We stopped because of the nauseating amount of fat.

  127. Black Ball

    Thanks Mater and Zulu Kilo Two Alpha.
    Sometimes it takes a couple of paragraphs, or indeed the whole article. But with his research, Keith Windschuttle, in my mind, is correct. Having double referenced everything from government archives and records, it is indeed fascinating to read. Particularly how blacks were voting in NSW long before the referendum in 1967.
    So where to from here? Why the need for recognition in the Constitution of Australia when we were already recognised?
    I will tell you why. It’s because the shrillest voices of the ‘movement for reconciliation’ are indeed the racists. Along with the ABC. Happy to take money from government but biting the hand that feeds them. Look at Yunupingu in Arnhem Land and the likes of Dodson and Burney. What have they achieved for Aboriginal people? Sweet fuck all. But their bank balances are good.
    Said it before, the best welfare is getting a job. The myth surrounding ties to land is just that. The myth surrounding Aboriginal people about not getting jobs because black is just that. For too long these myths are unchallenged because to do so you are labelled as racist.
    And thank you Numbers for your link, but as I noted earlier, it was the same as what was provided by another contributor.

  128. Derp

    Thanks for the post Carpe, good stuff.
    No room for shiny bum pedants in a tight team there and first I heard of FWC claiming jurisdiction there.
    As someone who spent many years in PNG, the fact he was so slack about security is mind boggling.
    You can spot a PNG expat by the fact they lock everything all the time, especially accomodation.
    Those who don’t learn ITAMBU and situational awareness there just don’t last.

  129. Dr Faustus

    Wait until he starts opening his mouth.

    He’s doing quite well at this just recently.
    He’s either been off on a WEB, or Mx Wong has told him to sit in the corner and STFU.

  130. Black Ball

    According to the CJ, it is open to the jury to decide if something is “physically and situationally impossible”.

    And who selects the jury? The whole thing is unfathomable.

  131. Kc

    =). Yep. Should have just gone back to sleep, while restaurant/catering company I still own keeps me in early retirement and good red wine. At least old mate is consistent in his analysis… bit like the cats version of Tim Flannery

  132. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    And who selects the jury? The whole thing is unfathomable.

    I’m remembering an article in the English newspapers a few years ago, that claimed that , of your average British jury of “Twelve good men and true” two would be barely able to read or write, and another two would be unable to comprehend any but the simplest of evidence placed before them. It would be interesting to see if any similar research has ever been done in Australia.

  133. Geriatric Mayfly

    “Twelve good men and true”

    Don’t forget the wimminzes. There be sinister elements in that jury I do suspect.

  134. DrBeauGan

    I’m appalled by the result of the pell appeal. I was also appalled by the Bolt case.

    It’s painfully clear that we no longer have a justice system in Oz. Take note. It’s now all about the fashionable idiocies. My feelings don’t care about your facts.

  135. I’m remembering an article in the English newspapers a few years ago, that claimed that , of your average British jury of “Twelve good men and true”

    Some years ago the poms found that everybody was obtaining a dispensation for one reason or another and consequently juries were top heavy with retirees & doleys – with erratic verdicts to match.
    So they changed the rules, making it bluddee near impossible to wriggle out of jury service.
    Don’t know how this worked out regards the justness of verdicts.

  136. Obviously, CL, this is co ordinated. I would suggest the vehicle being displayed needs to be blocked by concerned citizens and the police called.
    This should be an opportunity to photograph the driver, when he gets out of the dark windowed vehicle. If the coppers don’t make him get out, that is information of another sort, and would make us wonder why the driver is being protected.
    The police are already saying it isn’t illegal, but the purpose of the masquerade is to intimidate, is it not? Who is being intimidated and what are their rights to defend against this intimidation?
    If, as the article states, these vehicles have been seen in both Perth and Adelaide, then there is obviously a co ordinated attempt to intimidate people who have Chinese family back in China.
    And what of the Sharia Patrol vehicles in London, Sweden and Germany?

  137. DrBeauGan

    I don’t like Pell. I’d be prepared to believe that he’s a repressed homosexual. There’s something creepy about him that means I wouldn’t trust him. But the verdict of the jury ignored the contradicting evidence completely. It seems to be all feelz and no facts. And the appeals court endorsed the whole thing.

    It’s a post-truth world. Get used to it, Çats and Kittehs.

  138. mh

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ·
    2h
    Denmark is a very special country with incredible people, but based on Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen’s comments, that she would have no interest in discussing the purchase of Greenland, I will be postponing our meeting scheduled in two weeks for another time……..The Prime Minister was able to save a great deal of expense and effort for both the United States and Denmark by being so direct. I thank her for that and look forward to rescheduling sometime in the future!

  139. Zatara

    Speaking of Greenland and glaciers, I recently watched a documentary depicting the recovery of a P-38 fighter which had made an emergency landing on the Greenland ice cap in 1942.

    The 1992 expedition had to dig down through 83 meters of ice to get to the aircraft. The aircraft, now named ‘Glacier Girl’, was repaired and returned to the air.

    So 83 meters of ice formed in the 50 years between 1942 and 1992. One wonders how that comports with the beliefs of the globall warming zealots.

  140. Black Ball

    Anyone would think I am hating on fellow Aboriginals. Not so. Just freeing myself from the government yoke. Wonderful feeling.
    More guff in today’s Hun about Mark Williams. Which is subtle racism in itself:
    ‘In preventing a 2001-2004 premiership 4 peat with an 11 goal second half, Williams had done more than just win his first AFL premiership.
    He had proved that his Indigenous footballers Shaun and Peter Burgoyne, Byron Pickett and Gavin Wanganeen could perform on the biggest stage.’
    Now correct me if I am wrong. Didn’t Polly Farmer win a flag? Syd Jackson? Maurice Rioli a Norm Smith? Wanganeen himself a Brownlow and flag in 1993 with Michael Long the Norm Smith? Andrew McLeod 2 flags and Norm Smith? Adam Goodes 2 flags and 2 Brownlows?
    This romantic commentary must cease in my opinion. Football is football, regardless of skin colour.

  141. Feelthebren:

    SATP how do you keep your scrambled eggs at the breakfast buffett fluffy?
    A lot of placed use (even high end ones) use that powdered stuff.
    Especially in the US.

    If you microwave the scrambled eggs and give them a jolly good stir before they set, then finish cooking them, there is a nice smooth skin on top which can be glazed with grated cheese and other stuff.
    The water boils and the structure remains in the set eggs.

  142. Steve trickler

    The bloke behind the camera deserves recognition. This footage should be archived.

    Remember this?



  143. …and those conveyor toasters are absolute pigs on electricity…

  144. Diogenes

    but after I gave a thoughtlessly incorrect answer to a ‘Does my bum look big in this?’ type question,

    If you gave the wrong answer, what was the CORRECT answer ?

  145. Just for everyones knowledge. Mk50 is currently in the States.
    And I will speak no more on the subject.
    Knuckle Dragger is Knuckel Dragger.

  146. Pay the Danegeld once, and you guarantee him returning next year.

    There were many issues overlooked or sidelined in discussion of Carpe’s comment.
    Most of the focus wasn’t on the core issue(s).
    Instead the emphasis from the Cat was on “He was paid how much? Gee Whiz” or was focused on the validity of the jurisdiction.
    There are quite a few here with some experience with the Fair Work Act, & seem to have adopted a “You can’t win, so why try?” approach.
    (An entirely understandable & perhaps rational/reasonable attitude)
    But it doesn’t help discussion, & is no help to Carpe – who’s made his decision.
    Which is: No more jobs for Australians.

    Well done ALP & ACTU.

  147. Knuckle Dragger

    Nota, 10.45 am;

    Appreciated. I think.

    Haven’t got the barrow to push to post under another name, though. That would be disingenuous.

    Oh, Nicki….

  148. notafan

    Seems reasonable to me that if Australia had jurisdiction then an employee is entitled to procedural fairness

    doesn’t seem like a lose to Carpe at all, other than deciding that because of one dud employee no more Australians should be employed

    I had a family member who has had a few unfair dismissal cases, now he has a good understanding of the rules he goes by the book and that is that,

    On the other hand I know of a couple of young apprentices in the building industry who have been absolutely duped by unscrupulous employers.

  149. FeeltheBren:
    I assume your post last night was this one?:

    That’s not how it works. If you had a marketing person, they would have explained this to you.
    I know several people in marketing. They’re all dreadful. Somehow every discussion, regardless of topic, turns to results of their recent Facebook ad campaign for sandals made by the tribal women of Klokloklowok or Bedazzled iPhone covers.
    A hundred years ago, they’d be selling pencils on a street corner. After clocking off they’d huddle in sad dirty groups and discuss the merits of using a smaller tin to make the pencils seem bigger.
    While I’m sure many find worth in the services marketing people provide, given a choice between benefits gained from two hour meetings about Adwords campaign statistics or a bucket of warm spit, I’d take the bucket of warm spit. A direction, decision or point being reached in a marketing meeting is a far less likely scenario than finding myself in a position where I need to demonstrate centrifugal force to a group of young children

    Noice….

  150. Max:

    We could get the f**kin Muzzies to do it. Then they could watch each other.

    Great idea! Each camp full of Mussies could be guarded by mainland Chinese. And vice versa.

  151. notafan

    As for the Gold Card once upon a time it was as hard to get as hen’s teeth as OCO no doubt understood

    now a person who’s military experience is limited to cadets can now potentially be eligible

  152. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Watched the Hubbard glacier calving on my last holiday. It’s advancing at a remarkable rate and the noise it makes is unforgettable. I thought it was the ship ramming something in the bay, but it was the glacier grinding along.
    Around Disenchantment bay are the remains of old glaciers, the tell-tale U shaped valleys now empty of ice. One day the Hubbard will be exactly the same.

    The Hubbard is known today as the Galloping Glacier because it is advancing so quickly, due to extreme amounts of snowfall on the origin site for it. The Hubbard is now extending itself out into the bay fast. We watched and heard (sounds like real thunder) as parts of it cracked off to make the ice floe field we were floating in aboard a tin-can catamaran. This field assists in congesting the bay further with ice. If we should move into another Little Ice Age I doubt if the future of the Hubbard is to be a great big U-shaped hole; more likely to fill the bay with its advancing river of ice than that. It certainly won’t be gone any time soon.

    Great to see a glacier that so clearly refutes the climate doomageddon. A lot of high mountain glaciers are still remnants of one of the great ice ages, still undergoing melting because of that, just as the land is rising and falling in Scandinavia due to the uneven impact of the lift off of the weight of ice from those ages.

    Also, as I said a while back when reporting on the glaciers we saw on our recent trip to Canada and Alaska, those markers giving dates showing ‘rapid melting’ of glaciers can be fake science. If a large glacier, like the Athabasca in Canada, has a big melt due to natural cycles in the pre-industrial period, as the Athabasca did, then the volume of ice melted is what is key, vs the volume of ice left in the ice stream. The less the volume of ice in the stream, the quicker the melt. A little ice block melts away quicker than a big one.

    That’s what the ice boxes of my childhood depended on.

  153. Mother Lode

    Just saw this Liberty Quote:

    Americans elected a black president. Twice. Labor can’t find a seat in federal parliament for a single indigenous Australian.

    — Niki Savva

    America voted in a Black President because they thought it would exorcise race demons that no one believed they were possessed by, but which they had been conditioned to believe possessed everyone of their forebears and everyone outside their social circle.

    It was a nonsense of course. And the Presidency that resulted was disastrous for America. It was an exercise in projecting their vision of a magnanimous larger than life genius upon a blank canvas. But he was none of those things that they hoped for.

  154. notafan

    Don’t worry KD

    the fact that OCO thinks you write like MarkIV.567 whatever is probably insulting enough

  155. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Left my dance class at 10.30 and heard the Pell decision on the radio.

    No justice there that I can see. Big fail for the Rule of Law.

  156. Mater

    now a person who’s military experience is limited to cadets can now potentially be eligible

    I do hope you’re being facetious.

  157. notafan

    Members with Conditions Accepted under MRCA
    Former members of the ADF, cadets and reservists who have conditions for which liability has been accepted under the MRCA are eligible for a Gold Card if they:

    have permanent impairment from accepted conditions assessed at or above 60 points; or
    have a permanent impairment from accepted conditions assessed at 30 points or above, and the person is receiving any amount of Service Pension; or
    meet the criteria for the Special Rate Disability Pension (SRDP) even if they have not chosen that pension.
    For more information on the overview of MRCA and MRCA eligibility, refer to Factsheet MRC01 Overview of the Military Rehabilitation and Compensation Act 2004 (MRCA)

    am I?

  158. Seems reasonable to me that if Australia had jurisdiction then an employee is entitled to procedural fairness

    Notafan, what is your understanding of “procedural fairness?”

  159. notafan

    What does it matter what my understanding is satp?

    someone is covered by FWA then FWA rules apply

    if you spend half your life then maybe you should have a long hard look

  160. egg_

    She dumped her country’s closest ally in the shit to pander to the coconut mafia and her fawning press girls.
    A diplomatic and economic moron of the highest order.

    +1000
    Jones was correct.
    Numptyville

  161. Up The Workers!

    In America, Jizzy Smellitt, Stormy Daniels and Christine Blatant-Fraud were caught out gillarding profusely and copped the contempt and ridicule they so richly deserved as well-rehearsed Leftard liars.

    In Dodgy Dan’s Mogadishu-by-the-Yarra, they would have been made Assistant Premier or Deputy Prime Minister in an Australian Liars Party Misgovernment.

    I wonder how much our Mogadishu “Justice System” would be improved if Dodgy Dan appointed the soon-to-be-released-on-the-Lawyer-X-excuse “little maaate” Tony Mokbel (and his hairpiece) as A.L.P. Attorney General?

    He knows more about the law than just about anybody else in the Crims’ Party – after all, he has broken most of it – and having spent some years in prison, he could justifiably claim to be a peer and colleague of the A.L.P.’s own criminal former Federal President, Michael Williamson.

    Also, he comes with absolutely excellent A.L.P. character references!

  162. egg_

    the coconut mafia

    The sinking coconut mafia, LOL.

  163. What does it matter what my understanding is satp?

    Er.. you mentioned that it was reasonable that Carpe’s (now former) work colleage was entitled to procedural fairness.
    It’s a very grey area.
    I’m not having a shot at you for your apparent defence of (or faith in) the Fair Work Act in the next sentence.
    I’m just wondering what you mean by “procedural fairness”

  164. egg_

    the coconut mafia

    Giving our Ardern’ed money to a bunch of corruptocrat coconuts.

  165. notafan

    so you can ‘shoot me down in flames’ on a red herring?

    I don’t think so

  166. so you can ‘shoot me down in flames’ on a red herring?

    No, that’s for others to delight in.
    It is far from a red herring.
    I don’t believe you’ve much idea of how the Fair Work system operates, but that isn’t what I’m pushing.
    You’re often quite adversarial in nature – drop that for a second or two.
    I’m being socratic in nature. In my experience very few employers fully realise what the machinations of the Oz IR system can mean for them.
    “Procedural Fairness” – what were you meaning by it?

  167. Up The Workers!

    To egg, at 1.08pm:

    You are spot on about Jacinda Horse-Teeth.

    And Winston Peters reminds me of the little man who follows the chaff-burners around the dress circle at Flemington or Randwick with a bucket, shovel, broom and a large nose-peg, cleaning up all the crap they leave behind.

    It’s time Mr Ed’s dentures were returned.

  168. Mater

    Former members of the ADF, cadets and reservists who have conditions for which liability has been accepted under the MRCA are eligible for a Gold Card if they:

    How has this changed since they were ‘hard to get as hen’s teeth’ to get?
    They are still as hard as he is teeth to get. They are like the holy grail and many who really should have them, actually don’t. Of course, there is the odd case where the opposite is also true. I would argue that, on the whole, it is harder to get one now than it once was. Additionally, eligibility has a much higher threshold for non-warlike service (cadets). It’s a very significant hurdle.

    Like anyone, even a cadet would need to be exceptionally badly damaged to get a Gold Card and it would need to happen whilst on duty. Do you not think that this is fair. It’s the military version of WorkCover after all.

    The issue at hand here is that every veteran get one at 70 years of age, if they have qualifying service. This gives a false impression about the ease with which they are obtained.

  169. notafan

    because the law was changed, several times

    eg

    During the last election campaign the Prime Minister, Hon John Howard, announced three initiatives to extend the entitlements available to Australian veterans and war widows.(1) These initiatives were:

    extending the Gold Card for comprehensive free health care to all Australian veterans over the age of 70 who have qualifying service

    Veterans’ Entitlements Amendment (Gold Card Extension) Bill 2002

  170. Mitch M.

    I’m being socratic in nature. In my experience very few employers fully realise what the machinations of the Oz IR system can mean for them.
    “Procedural Fairness” – what were you meaning by it?

    Which can come at great cost. A friend recounted how a mate of his sacked a staff member on the spot because she was bludging her way through the day and had received verbal warnings on multiple occasions but did not respond. Even before the hearing before the commission the legal advice was to bring the checkbook because the employer was up for at least $10,000 as he didn’t follow the correct sacking procedure.

    The saving grace for many employers is that employees are often as ignorant as them about the rules of the game.

  171. Mater

    extending the Gold Card for comprehensive free health care to all Australian veterans over the age of 70 who have qualifying service

    So, it’s become easy not because cadets are potentially eligible but because actual war veterans are being given free health care after they turn 70 ( if they make it that far)?

    Believe you me, if you’re under 70, DVA will do their best to make you wait until then.

  172. Roger

    She dumped her country’s closest ally in the shit to pander to the coconut mafia and her fawning press girls.
    A diplomatic and economic moron of the highest order.

    One of the 100 most influential people in the world, according to…cough…Time magazine.

    We are surely living in the stupidest time.

  173. Johno

    A shearer from Gunning NSW has just shorn 524 cross bred lambs in 8 hours. That is one sheep every 53 seconds.

  174. max

    Indolent
    #3136857, posted on August 21, 2019 at 9:53 am
    Is it the protestors damaging HK or is it those idiots in Beijing ?

    Max, can you provide a link to this article? Where did it appear?

    Indo, you can find it here.

  175. The Beer Whisperer

    We lose and gain glaciers all the time Numbers, you fucking imbecile.

    It never ceases to amaze me that the self-proclaimed science believers view nature as static beyong mankind’s influence. Of course, deserts, forests, glaciers and most everything else grow and decline over time.

    Stupidity knows no bounds.

  176. notafan

    It is easy because many many people are eligible (turning 70) without having to jump through any hoops at all

    Cadets are an example of people who are now eligible to apply, I don’t know the date that first came in.

    iirc OCO was surprised that someone who was not a war veteran could even be eligible for a gold card

    all I was pointing out that those potentially eligible has been greatly expanded

    I don’t doubt it is ‘easier’ that it used to be

    I have had no dealings since the mid 80s when men on death’s door (literally) in the repat hospital were being stuffed around by DVA for TPI etc, because naturally patients talked about such things.

  177. Farmer Gez

    Justice Ferguson says the complainant was not a liar or a fantasist and casts doubt on the testimony of defence witnesses because they were conducting a ritual and possibly couldn’t recall a specific date.

    What about our complainant’s testimony?

    Did the complainant give the police an exact date and time for the horrific offence?

    I sure as hell would remember the day/month/year of such a traumatic experience.

    Can you be ultra believable

  178. Diogenes

    It would be unlikely that a cadet would qualify, however , one of the cadet cadre staff (you know , the grown up WOs & Officers) might

  179. Mater

    It is easy because many many people are eligible (turning 70) without having to jump through any hoops at all

    And the concept is not new:

    – In 1973 (55 years after the end of World War I) all Boer War and World War I veterans were granted free universal medical care through the provision of a Personal Treatment Entitlement Card (PTEC), a fore-runner to the Gold Card.

    – In 1974 free medical treatment was extended to all Australian ex-prisoners of war, and to all ex-service personnel suffering from cancer, whether or not their disease was related to their war service.

    – From 1 January 1998 all World War II ex-servicewomen were provided with full medical treatment entitlements. This was in response to a government initiated inquiry that highlighted the disadvantages suffered by female World War II veterans. In particular the review indicated that women had been paid less than men throughout their war service and had not been eligible for the same level of repatriation assistance after the war.

    – On 1 January 1999 (approximately 54 years after the end of World War II) the Gold Card was extended to all male World War II veterans over the age of 70 who have qualifying service.

    TPI is not given at 70 years of age, just a Gold Card. The struggle for TPI continues today like it always has.

    Medical treatment has got increasing expensive in the modern era. Do you really think DVA (as a government department) has made it easier for people to get card which allows them to get free private medical treatment for all conditions? Not on your nelly.

  180. Farmer Gez

    Posted a bit quick but you get my drift.

    There’s a contradiction at the heart of Ferguson’s rationale.

  181. Bruce of Newcastle

    Anyone want to buy a second-hand aeroplane?

    Air Force F-16 fighter jet from 1980 for sale in Florida

    Palm Beach, Fla.-based Jet Lease has listed a 1980 F-16 A/B Fighting Falcon for sale — and the rare offer made waves online.

    The 1980 multirole fighter jet, which has an $8.5 million price tag, is being offered alongside two other F-16 Vipers, according to The Drive, an automotive website that also writes about defense topics.

    This is not your average “used” fighter jet — the plane is a fully functioning combat aircraft and not demilitarized.

    The 1980 F-16 listed online has been enhanced with modern upgrades, including being integrated for the Link 16 data network, GPS-controlled weapons, a Joint Helmet Mounted/Cueing System (JHMCS) and night-vision compatible helmets, a brochure on Jet Lease’s website explains.

    The aircraft can reach a maximum speed of Mach 2.05 at 40,000 feet, or nearly 1,573 miles per hour. It has a maximum range of 2,400 miles and an initial climb rate of 62,000 feet per minute, according to Jet Lease.

    Great to take your girlfriend out for a spin in.

  182. notafan

    I didn’t say everyone got TPI

    I used it as an example of how difficult DVA were back then

    and your 1973 and 1974 are just other examples of the rules being relaxed

    for goodness all you are doing is proving that OCO’s surprise as someone, not a war veteran, getting a gold card was justified

  183. notafan

    Did the complainant give the police an exact date and time for the horrific offence?

    No he couldn’t Farmer Gez

    it was a moveable feast -he first placed himself in the sacristy when the Cathedral was closed for renovation and the month apart had to become over two ( Dec\Feb) because the Cardinal did not say mass at St Pats during the period he first made the allegations for

  184. stackja

    Repatriation Department, now DVA, had a reputation too.

  185. stackja

    notafan
    #3137175, posted on August 21, 2019 at 2:41 pm

    Victoria justice.

  186. None

    Weinberg not happy judging from the expressions.

    Indeed. He even separated himself when they left the court.

    Wwinberg was the only one who occasionally asked a question that showed he wasn’t just buying the spin but wanted the substance. The other male judge – the Liberty Victoria guy with the track record of anti-catholic activism
    – was the one that was almost trying to lead the prosecution appeal guy. He wanted cold to be guilty. The woman judge just stared like a stunned mullet for most of the appeal. I hope Weinberg speaks up and speaks out. He is retired now and he has nothing to lose.

  187. This “Ring of Truth” standard of evidence is a trump card.
    Saves the prosecution from actually having to, y’know, prove their case.
    When faced with the Ring of Truth, a defendant has to prove it wrong – rather than the prosecution prove anything.

  188. Mater

    for goodness all you are doing is proving that OCO’s surprise as someone, not a war veteran, getting a gold card was justified

    They had to make adjustments for a new fade called “Peacekeeping Operations” which are classified as non-warlike. Hence, Gold Cards were then possible under Legislation other than VEA (War), including MRCA, SRCA. But the barrier for eligibility was significantly higher for non-warlike service.

    As an example, two people with exactly the same injuries could find that one was eligible for a Gold Card if it happened in Somalia and the other not eligible if it happened in the Solomon Islands. In some ways, this has allowed them scope to deny claims that would have previously been accepted.

    Not easier, just more contemporary.

  189. Bruce of Newcastle:

    Liam Hemsworth and Miley Cyrus recently split after an epic epic 7 month marriage, so it’s nice to see a Hollywood story like this one:

    Looking in the photo with them all sitting around the table, is Buydens snorting a line of coke off the back of her left hand?
    She shouldn’t do that stuff – it’ll kill ya.
    🙂

  190. stackja

    Gray Connolly
    @GrayConnolly
    The Victorian Court of Appeal’s judgment in Pell v The Queen [2019] VSCA 186 (21 August 2019) has been uploaded to
    @austlii

    Linky

  191. Dr Faustus

    With sincerity, affinity and good faith, their ABC helps Beijing take the piss:

    Beijing suggests Australia reflect on how it treats Pacific neighbours after climate change fallout

    Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang told reporters “it wasn’t the first time that leaders of Pacific island countries resented Australia’s behaviour.”

    “Australia might as well reflect upon itself,” Mr Geng said during a regular press briefing.

    “China has long been providing assistance to island countries with no political strings attached.

    “With sincerity, real results, affinity and good faith on one side and a condescending master on the other, it is easy to see the stark contrast.

    Once the fish have been trawled away, and the last timber harvested, the Pacific Islands will still have their Chinese military airstrips and port facilities on the US Pacific Fleet target list.
    Win win.

  192. Top Ender

    Rogue politician Pauline Hanson has been slammed for her brutal suggestion that police use cattle prods against climate change protesters.

    The One Nation leader made the bizarre claim in a one-minute video uploaded to Twitter yesterday.

    In it, Senator Hanson wears an Akubra hat and brandishes a cattle prod as she explains “Pauline’s plan to punish protester pests”.

    Cairns Post article is derogatory and generally negative of course.

  193. min

    Given that in the Aboriginal nation there were something like 500 tribes with 70 different languageswhat language would be used for the Voice or Treaty? Using English would be cultural appropriation would it not?
    At least Indonesia used market Malay as a base for Bahasa to take over the 70 languages there.

  194. amortiser

    I watched the verbal gymnastics of the talking heads on PML lost night. Troy Bramston was all I favour of “womens’ choice” but was appalled at the notion of gender selection abortion. How do you make a contradiction such as that in such a short number of words?

    We are now seeing the fracturing of the reasoning in support of abortion on demand. From full steam ahead for full term abortions, we are now seeing that huge numbers of people are now cognosant of the horror of what they were advocating.

    If abortion is not the killing of a human being then what could possibly be the objection to terminating a foetus based on gender. It’s just a bunch of cells!! Yet now we see widespread disquiet about the NSW legislation allowing abortions for reasons of gender selection.

    Would not people have similar objections to having abortions to enable a holiday to go as planned? Or because they don’t like the idea of a prolonged bout of morning sickness.

    I have had it put to me by a GP that the object of caring for a pregnant woman is to ensure a healthy outcome for both mother and baby with the overriding preference being for the health of the mother.

    That’s all well and good when we are looking at actual serious health issues that can arise in pregnancies but with proper and ongoing care those instances are thankfully quite rare. The vast majority of abortions are not carried out for this reason. Babies are terminated for social convenience in most cases.

    It has taken the gender selection issue to concentrate people’s minds on the barbarity of the practice. If it is barbarous to kill a baby because of an unwanted gender then it is equally barbarous to kill babies for any other social reason.

    Are we seeing an awakening here?

  195. Buccaneer

    Are we seeing an awakening here?

    Don’t bet on it, if people can’t see that you can be stitched up by one witnesses recall of 20 plus years ago, who changed their story to fit a known timeline, means they could be likewise stitched up if they don’t toe the ALPBC line. There seems little chance of any kind of awakening.

  196. Diogenes

    what language would be used for the Voice or Treaty?

    If a moderate like Mundine (Darkinjung) would not accept a treaty negotiated by anyone by Darkinjung – so it could not be one treaty

  197. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    If a moderate like Mundine (Darkinjung) would not accept a treaty negotiated by anyone by Darkinjung – so it could not be one treaty

    The latest demand is for a treaty with each of the five hundred or so “First Nations.” After the legal dogfight which erupted after the Barnett Government attempted to negotiate a final settlement of all land rights claims – a step hailed as a “de facto” treaty – with the Nongaar people – the High Court should be busy for the next fifty years or so.

  198. Rossini

    Johno
    #3137128, posted on August 21, 2019 at 1:51 pm
    How much does a shearer earn for his back breaking task?
    Just curious!

  199. Eyrie

    That F-16 will likely get bought by one of the companies who do air combat training for the US military. They use former military pilots. I doubt anyone else will be allowed to buy it. One of the former military was Carroll LeFon who used to blog under the name “Neptunus Lex” until he died in an F-21 (Kfir -Israeli modified Mirage 3), trying to land in a snowstorm.

  200. Bruce of Newcastle

    Rogue politician Pauline Hanson has been slammed for her brutal suggestion that police use cattle prods against climate change protesters.

    Plod in Northamptonshire have just been equipped with cattle prods so why not in Queensland?

    English Police Force to Issue Every Officer With a Taser Amid Rising Street Violence

    An English police force is to become the first in the country to issue every officer with electric stun-guns known as Tasers, news that comes days after a police officer was murdered by criminals and among a sharp rise in violence against officers overall.

    Ecofascists could do with some nice renewable electricity to the crown j-wels to move them off the tracks. If it works for cattle it’d probably work for them, so long as they’re not superglued on.

  201. Eyrie

    Heck Bruce, use the cattle prods if they ARE superglued on.

  202. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    it was a moveable feast -he first placed himself in the sacristy when the Cathedral was closed for renovation and the month apart had to become over two ( Dec\Feb) because the Cardinal did not say mass at St Pats during the period he first made the allegations for

    I can’t believe how cops, prosecutors and judges continue to enable these liars. This rot MUST stop if we want any chance of having an actual justice system again.

    The case should have been not even brought to charges/indictment or a committal, then the accuser tried for any number of justice offences.

  203. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Johno
    #3137128, posted on August 21, 2019 at 1:51 pm
    How much does a shearer earn for his back breaking task?
    Just curious!

    He’s paid per head of sheep shorn – from memory, $4 to $5 a head, and a gun shearer can shear over 200 a day.

  204. John Constantine

    The four to five dollars a head for shearing includes meals allowance and super, before tax.

    Rumour has it that three bucks fifty a head cash will get your stock shorn when you need them in a hurry.

  205. JC

    Frank

    The judicial system, at least Victoria is fucked totally. Don’t even try and recover this vomit of a system.

  206. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Why is this a thing, given there are 57 genders?

    Intelligence Analyst – Female Opportunity
    Listed eight days ago8d ago

    at Defence Force Recruiting Western Region

  207. Rossini

    Thanks for the information re cost of having sheep shorn.

  208. Geriatric Mayfly

    The judicial system, at least Victoria is fucked totally. Don’t even try and recover this vomit of a system.

    Another conquest which reached its greatest triumph, so far, today. The Left on its interminable mission has infiltrated the justice system. It started in the Family Court and has now spread is malign influence throughout the rest of the edifice.

  209. Entropy

    He’s paid per head of sheep shorn – from memory, $4 to $5 a head, and a gun shearer can shear over 200 a day.

    Only those kiwi bastards with their wide combs and insufficient obesience to the union.

  210. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Only those kiwi bastards with their wide combs and insufficient obesience to the union.

    Wide combs have been in common usage in Australian sheds, by Australian shearers for, oh, nearly forty years.

  211. stuth

    When I was a young bloke back in the 1980’s, I took my Holden engine head down to the local mechanic to do work on the head I could not do myself in the shed.
    I was a poor young bloke, as an apprentice mechanic myself , was very precise in getting only that work done and settled on a price with a mate of mine as a witness.
    When I came back he’d reconditioned the entire head and was charging me for it
    I refused to pay and he refused to give the head back, so off we went to court.
    I had my mate as a witness to what I asked him to do, and had put some time and effort into my case.
    I may have been about 18.
    The mechanic was a local JP and when I enteed the cout, he was up with the judge having a great old laugh.
    I stated my case and the mechanic didn’t even bothe stating his.
    The judge woke up and although I thought it seemed a straight black and white case, he found in favour of Bruce Christie Motors based on the fact that he knew what needed to be done for Safety.
    That was my fist lesson with Austalian couts.
    There have been many since.
    That happens in transport when you don’t just bend over and pay bullshit fines.

    Our justice system is corrupt and I would suggest, completely broken, and there are more s..x offenders and criminals in it than tried by it.

  212. Twostix

    The One Nation leader made the bizarre claim in a one-minute video uploaded to Twitter yesterday.

    Like I posted last night: always look for the warning shots that mean something is up and the bugman class is worried.

    In this order:

    Media: “bizzare rant”
    Ruling bugman: “disgraceful!”
    Corporate: “Pulling sponsorship / closing accounts”
    And when they’re feeling really threatened…
    ASIO Chief: “warning”.

  213. Mitch M.

    The mechanic was a local JP and when I enteed the cout, he was up with the judge having a great old laugh.
    I stated my case and the mechanic didn’t even bothe stating his.
    The judge woke up and although I thought it seemed a straight black and white case, he found in favour of Bruce Christie Motors based on the fact that he knew what needed to be done for Safety.
    That was my fist lesson with Austalian couts.
    There have been many since.
    That happens in transport when you don’t just bend over and pay bullshit fines.

    Our justice system is corrupt and I would suggest, completely broken, and there are more s..x offenders and criminals in it than tried by it.

    Sheesh the judge should have been in the dock. That’s disgusting struth, I’d leave the court room raving mad at that decision and such blatant corruption of process.

  214. struth

    rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr button on the blink.
    apologies.

  215. Twostix

    Obviously the climate protester lunacy, infanticide fetish have got them on high alert for a rightwing outbreak. So it’s the old pauline “bizarre rant”.

    Just in case any mums and dads were thinking any thoughts about one nation in light of latham.

  216. John Constantine

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/sony-fires-back-at-marvel-spider-man-movie-divorce-1233490

    The statement comes as THR and others reported Tuesday that Sony and Disney have parted ways as co-producers on the revived Spider-Man movie franchise. Reports suggest that studio chiefs Tom Rothman at Sony and Alan Horn at Disney could not agree on a financial arrangement to continue to collaborate.

    Disney and Sony entered into a unique partnership for Marvel to produce the Spider-Man movies that starred Tom Holland. The deal saw Feige as lead producer on Spider-Man: Homecoming and Spider-Man: Far From Home in a complex arrangement that allowed the hero, whose movie rights are controlled by Sony, to appear in Marvel’s Captain America: Civil War and two Avengers movies.

    The two sides had been talking about ways to extend the deal for future Spider-Man movies to star Holland but talks collapsed recently.

    Sony announced Monday that Far From Home had surpassed Skyfall to become the studio’s most successful release, with a worldwide haul of $1.109 billion and counting.

  217. struth

    rrrrrrrrrrrrrr button on the blink.
    Apologies.

  218. struth

    That was my fist lesson with Austalian couts.

    It really is “ello, ‘ello

  219. Entropy

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3137269, posted on August 21, 2019 at 4:43 pm
    Only those kiwi bastards with their wide combs and insufficient obesience to the union.

    Wide combs have been in common usage in Australian sheds, by Australian shearers for, oh, nearly forty years

    I remember it like yesterday. They took our Jackie Howe wearing betters’ jerbs.

  220. struth

    I was young Mitch.

    “If I knew then what I Know now!!!!!”

  221. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    The mechanic was a local JP and when I enteed the cout, he was up with the judge having a great old laugh.
    I stated my case and the mechanic didn’t even bothe stating his.

    Cripes you really ought to have appealed and complained about both of them.

  222. old bloke

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3137269, posted on August 21, 2019 at 4:43 pm

    Wide combs have been in common usage in Australian sheds, by Australian shearers for, oh, nearly forty years.

    Zulu, why was this ever an issue? I remember the outrage directed at the Maori shearers coming to Australia with their wide combs back in the 70’s. Were the unionised shearers getting paid an hourly rate instead of per head, hence their preference for shorter combs?

    I’ve got an electric hedge trimmer, I reckon I could shear a shear a sheep in under thirty seconds, though the poor bugger would probably be minus a leg or two.

  223. Entropy

    It was a change, and it was more efficient. So the union didn’t like it.. And as payments are on a per head basis, the wide comb dudes were shearing more sheep in a day than those obedient to the union.

  224. John Constantine

    Full contract shearing, where the owner simply pushes the woolly sheep into the shed one end and droves the bareshorn sheep out the other is a lot more expensive, requiring rouseabouts/woolclassers/pressers/machinery ‘experts’ or staff that can multitask.

    Remembering that as a workplace:
    Employer Duty of Care

    OHS Act requires the employer, as far is practicable, to
    • Provide a safe and hazard free workplace.
    • Provide information, instruction, supervision and training to enable employees to perform their duties so they are not exposed to hazards.
    • To have workplaces as far as practicable, designed to be productive safe and healthy. eg:

    – Good lightning and ventilation
    – Workplace floors to be of a non slip nature
    – Workplace free of all obstructions and free of all protruding nails
    – Storage area for tool boxes, clothes, etc.

    • Provide safety and protective gear (goggles, back aid supports) as required.
    • All plant to be isolated or guarded.
    • Hygienic washing facilities.
    • First Aid kit located in shed, fully stocked for injuries only (not for everyday use).
    • Supply fire extinguishers suitable for all types of fire.
    • Provide accommodation of a suitable nature clean and tidy.
    • Provide kitchen and dining room fully equipped to be a designated smoke free area.
    • Showers and toilets in clean and tidy condition.
    • Ensure health and safety of visitors to workplace by not exposing them to risk.
    • Unlawful for employer to dismiss employee for making complaints about health and safety matters or being a OHS representative.
    • Minimum payment to be Federal Pastoral Award.

  225. Mitch M.

    I was young Mitch.

    “If I knew then what I Know now!!!!!”

    I’ve made the same mistake. Now I’m much more careful. I even go to the trouble of referencing the relevant documents so have hard evidence. If you’re dealing with public officials that very much puts them at a severe disadvantage. The problem is so many people don’t bother so when I have done it while I have scared them it doesn’t change anything within the system but at least it helps me receive justice.

    If you’re experiencing problems with public officials find out what documents cover their responsibilities and after they have committed breaches and after you have hard evidence throw it back at them. It scares them and makes them act. It is the age old story: if you want something done you have to demonstrate that you can hurt the offending party.

  226. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Zulu, why was this ever an issue? I remember the outrage directed at the Maori shearers coming to Australia with their wide combs back in the 70’s. Were the unionised shearers getting paid an hourly rate instead of per head, hence their preference for shorter combs?

    Part of the issue came about because payment is made per head of sheep shorn – a shearer with a wide comb can knock up a higher tally then someone with a narrow comb. The local lads started using wide combs, and, lacking experience, cut the sheep more then they should have. This attracts the (unwanted) attentions from the owner of said sheep…not to mention the time the shearer takes in stitching up and disinfecting said cuts – it’s a requirement of the award.

  227. Top Ender

    I wanna be a shearer….

    BUT

    If I can’t be a shearer…I wanna be a cowboy!

  228. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    A family member and friend of Jack Renshaw remarked that the wide comb was “immoral and unethical”.

  229. Knuckle Dragger

    Behold, in the paywalled Currant Bun:

    ‘A vegan animal activist who was fined $1 for breaking biosecurity laws after stealing animals from a Gippsland goat farm claims she received death and rape threats while waiting for her court date.

    In a submission to the state animal activism parliamentary inquiry, protester Cara ­Garrett, 24, revealed she had to install CCTV cameras at home and eventually moved because of the backlash from farmers.
    In the 10-page submission, she claimed being arrested was distressing and also accused Victoria Police of breaching her privacy by letting a farmer on to her property while she was being detained.

    “The police arrested me and put me in the back of a police car to take me to the police station,” she said. “I was uncomfortable knowing at least four police officers remained at my home while I was being taken away,” she said.

    “I was extremely distressed as I didn’t know what would happen to the animals in my care and all my personal ­belongings. They would go through without me there,” she wrote.

    1. Distressed, were you darling? As distressed as the owners/operators of the hugely popular Gippy Goat Café which used the goats’ milk for coffee, which had to close due to you and your fellow hairy-armpitted vegans?
    2. You didn’t have to install anything anywhere.
    3. Farmers are generally too busy keeping their stock alive to hang around outside your letterbox.
    4. Should you have been identified as Protestor Zero if one single drop of foot and mouth got onto that property, point (3) above would have been disregarded and the farmers would have beaten you to death in the street to the accompaniment of cheering crowds.

  230. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    claims she received death and ripe threats while waiting for her court date.

    She should be able to describe who said this, the time and date, or produce the messages, phone logs or letters.

  231. Zatara

    “The police arrested me and put me in the back of a police car to take me to the police station,” she said. “I was uncomfortable knowing at least four police officers remained at my home while I was being taken away,” she said.

    “I was extremely distressed as I didn’t know what would happen to the animals in my care and all my personal ­belongings. They would go through without me there,” she wrote.

    Welcome to being arrested numbnuts. Or did you think you and your supposed higher calling were too special for such things as laws?

  232. Stimpson J. Cat

    Planned Parenthood
    @PPFA
    Today, the Trump admin is forcing us out of the Title X program — our nation’s program focused on family planning, of which we serve 40% of patients. This is a *direct attack* on Planned Parenthood and on our health and rights, and we will not stand for it. #StandWithPP #ProtectX

    Catholics Rise Up!!!!

  233. Sydney Boy

    And now the Defence leadership has reached peak stupid. Under the Defence Reconciliation Action Plan (just released), they are attempting to double indigenous participation in the ADF (I thought press gangs were a thing of the past); but the icing on the cake is that each Defence Force Base is to have dual English / Indigenous names by 2022. I can assure all Cats that this is not going down well with the soldiers.

  234. Steve trickler

    A year later….you be the judge. The Mayor got a kick up the butt.

    Honest reporting here.



  235. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I can assure all Cats that this is not going down well with the soldiers.

    Who will register their disapproval by claiming discharge as soon as they are eligible, while the morons responsible for this nonsense sit around, writing each other memos about a high turnover in personnel, and loss of unit cohesion…ballocks on stilts.

  236. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Who will register their disapproval by claiming discharge as soon as they are eligible

    Which is the whole idea.

  237. Sydney Boy

    And further, following today’s announcement of Australia’s contribution to security of the shipping lanes in the Straits of Hormuz, the left-wing media (Fairfax, ABC, etc) is full of comments deriding the ADF. I can but quote George Orwell in reply.

  238. Sydney Boy

    ZK2A – I can only wonder how much longer I will last.

  239. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    ZK2A – I can only wonder how much longer I will last.

    I’m remembering the Minister for Defence Something or other – Roz “Whiteboard” Kelly – very gravely assured us all that ” a high unit turnover rate would good for morale.”

  240. cohenite

    Gray Connolly
    @GrayConnolly
    The Victorian Court of Appeal’s judgment in Pell v The Queen [2019] VSCA 186 (21 August 2019) has been uploaded to
    @austlii

    Linky

    The dissent begins at 352. The difference is stark. The Judges were on different planets.

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