Open Forum: August 24, 2019

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  1. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    There is practically no problem in the world that immigration restriction cannot solve

    Okay, you’re cooked mate.

  2. Arky

    Trump kicks off on China on Twitter.
    Trade war to deepen.
    Big sell off on stocks to continue.
    Big shake out in zombies and early recession. Good. Get it out of the way!
    Companies that get in early with restructure of supply chains will win bigly!
    Trump lining up the ducks to go full on attack on globalist swine for 2020, will bring in both traditional union votes and Bernie Bros, lock in conservatives with a stark choice: do yiz want a major Trumpian free trade realignment, or do you want socialism?
    Big wins to come in 2020. trump reelection, house retaken.
    MAGA.

  3. Mater

    A bit of nostalgia for the Sydneysiders.
    Who can forget the ‘Chick Chick Boom Chick’? Fully sick!

    https://youtu.be/1MZffvS0yDo

    Still funny.

  4. Tel

    There is practically no problem in the world that immigration restriction cannot solve!

    Cheap immigrant labour has been used as a hammer to keep the unions in their place.

  5. Top Ender

    Or indeed the other Chick a Boom Boom song…

  6. Mitch M.

    We need a bond system for new migrants.
    We need to get rid of immigration agents.

    Recently I approached an immigration agency on behalf of a friend who is an expert in Special Education and ASD. My friend sent the agency his CV but they complained it wasn’t sufficiently specific(he has multiple post-grad degrees) and advised they wouldn’t be able to help him emigrate to Australia. Special Education is consistently on the list of desired professionals. My friend would have to approach a prospective employer to get the ball rolling but in order qualify, because he is over 45, he would need to be earning a salary circa 140,000 pa, which is rather rare in the field.

    Australia’s loses a valuable individual because of stifling rules. I go to the local barber to find a young Spanish man and young Japanese man have been there for months. We’re hiring cooks and barbers and other apparently essential trades but what about high value experts? How many of those visas are going to the high demand high functioning fields?

    The current immigration to this country is not about adding value it is about sustaining the GDP. Aussies are paying for it with lost job opportunities and increasing congestion.

  7. thefrollickingmole

    Frank Walker from National Tiles

    So what do you see as realistic downsides for mass immigration?

    Its a massive migration ponzi at the moment with little regard to citizens interests.

    Apparently we need cooks and cafe managers more than doctors…
    https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/FlagPost/2018/January/Assessing_the_effect_of_recent_457_visa_policy_change

  8. We’re hiring cooks and barbers and other apparently essential trades

    Go without either for a while, you’ll soon find out how essential they are.

  9. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Or indeed the other Chick a Boom Boom song…

    Memories of a misspent youth…

  10. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Did I disagree with bern or Fisk’s cocaine inspired hyperbole?

  11. Some History

    Speaking of car hitting house, from WIP:

    https://imgur.com/5fY52dk

  12. feelthebern

    Watching Kill Bill 1 while power company continues with lock in.
    Uma is gorgeous in this one.

  13. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Apparently we need cooks and cafe managers more than doctors…

    The limited supply of doctors is another scam. Thank your AMA, our universities and Fed. and State health departments.

  14. feelthebern

    My ideas re immigration overhaul are more suited to a guest post.
    It will never happen.
    Too many snouts in the trough.

  15. Steve trickler

    Socrates.

    I like that there is no narration with these clips. Not being told about how to think with what you are seeing. The individual viewer in the end walks away with their thoughts.

  16. Mitch M.

    Go without either for a while, you’ll soon find out how essential they are.

    We can provide training in those areas but specialists like my friend are very rare and we need more of them. The point is the ratio of intake. We should be focusing on professions that provide long term value adding to the Aus economy.

  17. Tel

    Go without either for a while, you’ll soon find out how essential they are.

    I’ve gone without a barber for at least 20 years.

    My wife is an excellent cook so I can’t say I’ve missed out on anything but when pressed I can cook for myself, it’s not particularly difficult.

  18. Fisky

    Opponents of Trump’s trade war should hang their heads in shame over this.

    B. Allen-Ebrahimian
    @BethanyAllenEbr
    ·
    3h
    Holy moly. The World Bank granted the Xinjiang Department of Education a $50 million loan for a program called the “Xinjiang Technical and Vocational Education and Training Project”—which is how China refers to its enormous concentration camps in Xinjiang https://cecc.gov/media-center/press-releases/xinjiang-chairs-ask-whether-world-bank-funding-crimes-against-humanity

  19. John Constantine

    Plenty of doctors in Australia, just none willing to do old time village general practitioner out where the trains don’t run.

    Fly in, fly out doctors for the weekly checkups of rural nursing homes is profitable for service provider companies.

    Once we accept that the fundementally transformed demographic convoy of doctors being produced by Australias system will not go live out beyond civilisation, the solution is to do pools of medicos that take turns to do a weeks highly paid fly in fly out of rural towns every couple months in order to qualify for medicare system access the rest of the time.

    Fly in early monday morning, fly out thursday evening, having done fifty clinic hours for the weeek.

    The medical service provider has to supply this service to access the other river of gold medical contracts.

  20. Fisky

    We should be focusing on professions that provide long term value adding to the Aus economy.

    Without a doubt. Unfortunately, the purpose of immigration is NOT to add long term value, but to:
    -pump prime the property market
    -fill universities’ coffers
    -keep us from a technical recession
    AND
    -to inflict historic punishment on Australia as a colonial-settler nation, through “replacement migration” (the UN’s own words)

    Everyone who supports mass immigration must necessarily be in favour of all that.

  21. notafan

    Hey DrBGthesexbotologist

    Since when did I write the jolly news?

    You seem to forget price.

    Janitor lady is trying to buy government subsidied cheap frozen chicken, presumably imported..

    What are you paying for your flyblown swill?

  22. Some History

    The Monaco connection to Greta™ is Grace Kelly’s grandson:

    Grace Kelly’s Grandson, Pierre Casiraghi, Is Sailing with Climate Activist Greta Thunberg
    Casiraghi owns one of the few carbon-neutral racing boats in the world.

    https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a28785126/pierre-casiraghi-grace-kelly-grandson-greta-thunberg-sailing/

  23. Tel

    From ABS 6523.0 – Household Income and Wealth, Australia, 2017-18

    Median weekly gross household income
    2007–2008 : $1,607 (or $83,564 for the year)
    2015–2016 : $1,676 (or $87,152 for the year)
    2017–2018 : $1,701 (or $88,452 for the year)

    My friend would have to approach a prospective employer to get the ball rolling but in order qualify, because he is over 45, he would need to be earning a salary circa 140,000 pa, which is rather rare in the field.

    I would suggest that’s set unreasonably high, but probably they don’t believe that someone over 45 is likely to keep working and will therefore put the hand out in a few years for government handouts. Could be unfair presumption … but that’s the problem where a huge welfare burden makes people extremely nervous about freeloaders. Reduce the welfare, reduce the tax, and (perfectly rationally) people will be more willing to open up the borders somewhat.

    I do agree though that when it comes to cooks and hairdressers we should be able to easily train them locally … and quite frankly if there’s a “shortage” that only means they aren’t getting paid enough. Anyone can learn hairdressing and/or how to fry bacon and eggs if there’s sufficient incentive to do so.

  24. Some History

    Thus spake Greta™ of Loonberg

    School strike week 53. #fridaysforfuture #climatestrike #schoolstrike4climate

    https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1164994259092738053?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

    Greta looks as though she’s lost some weight.

  25. Tel

    -to inflict historic punishment on Australia as a colonial-settler nation, through “replacement migration” (the UN’s own words)

    Have you got a link for that?

    Needs to be official UN linky … I can find Alex Jones without your help.

  26. John Constantine

    Weekend-at-Bernies bader-ginsburg just has to wave at the crowd and put her mark on the expert judgements created by a skilled panel writing down the sort of things she would have said if she wasn’t crook.

    Judgements written by skilled and experienced activists ‘in the style of’ bader-ginsburg is simply fanfiction for global transnational Tyrannical socialists and quite harmless if it didn’t impact the way the worlds last non-Tyranny superpower is run.

  27. Leigh Lowe

    Some History

    #3139966, posted on August 24, 2019 at 12:55 pm

    Thus spake Greta™ of Loonberg

    School strike week 53. #fridaysforfuture #climatestrike #schoolstrike4climate

    https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1164994259092738053?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

    Greta looks as though she’s lost some weight.

    Friday’s Pie-day.

  28. Tel

    Friday’s Pie-day.

    This caper was very likely cooked up in the school staff room to cut their workload. Once half the students stop showing up they will declare it official and given themselves a long weekend.

  29. rickw

    Greta looks as though she’s lost some weight.

    I had noticed that she was quite plump, very harmful to da environment!!

    Peak idiocy has so many false summits, just when you think you’re there…

  30. Tel

    OK I found the link that’s setting people off:

    Focusing on these two striking and critical population trends, the report considers replacement migration for eight low-fertility countries (France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Republic of Korea, Russian Federation, United Kingdom and United States) and two regions (Europe and the European Union). Replacement migration refers to the international migration that a country would need to offset population decline and population ageing resulting from low fertility and mortality rates.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20180915042625/http://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/migration/migration.htm

    It’s been yanked down since it got controversial. Still on archive for the time being.

    They are working the “low fertility” angle … which is mostly caused by the high cost of housing (deliberate, see Agenda 21 and Agenda 2030) and of course flooding people into a city pushes up the cost of housing. Yes … interesting.

  31. Rockdoctor

    When boarding an aeroplane I usually have a look at it or around the doors if on aerobridges. A Qantaslink 717 I was on out of BNE last night had chipping paint on fuselage, paint in other areas was perished to the point of nearly down to the fuselage. The plane might be safe but it does start to put doubt into ones mind whstever else is not being attended to…

  32. 1735099

    While waiting for emergency services, the Cruze’s engine bay caught fire…..

    These ICE vehicles are so dangerous.
    When will people wake up to the fact that they are a passing fad?

  33. rickw

    Restructuring immigration totally needs to happen.
    It’s so hopelessly broken.

    It’s functioning perfectly, exactly as designed:

    Destroy Old Australia

  34. miltonf

    The Canberra way. Canberra is an abomination. Australia would be a better place without it.

  35. Knuckle Dragger

    According to Fox Sports, England has never won a Test with Joe Root as captain.

    Hard to believe.

  36. Knuckle Dragger

    BrettW, 6.24 a.m.;

    Yep. Harry the Ranga would be better served being spotted downing shots with James Woods and Eastwood rather than getting about shoeless, virtue-signalling about the number of kids he’s not having.

    And you could add Keanu Reeves to that list. Evidently he hates the Hollywood machine with a passion.

  37. Des Deskperson

    ‘Chris Kenny takes one for the team by going to the Canberra Writers Festival’

    A brave man.

    The interesting thing about this year’s festival is not only that it’s stacked with the usual suspects but that they all pop up again and again throughout the programme. Whatever day day attend, you will still almost certainly encounter – or be unable too avoid, – Jane Caro, Katharine Murphy. Laura Tingle, George Megalogenis, Emma Alberici, Malcolm Farr, Paul Daley, Karen Middleton, Sally Rugg, Bonge, even Fr Rod Bowers. Presumably it’s a way of ensuring the discussion is suitably corralled to avoid any possible jolt to bougie progressive prejudices, or it may be just a way of saving money on travel and accommodation.

    So far as I can tell, the ‘writers’ festival includes no first rate Australian authors.

  38. Knuckle Dragger

    Harry’s beholdenment to Wallis-Markle reminds me of a cartoon in a WIP from about two months back. It’s on the window facing outward in my office.

    A bloke and his missus are in a psych’s office on a couch. The psych says to the bloke, ‘Do you feel dominated by your wife?’

    ‘No he doesn’t,’ she says.

  39. mh

    KD, who would you consider true Test batsmen playing in this Ashes series?

    Steve Smith obviously, but who else is there for either side.

  40. jupes

    Outstanding video of 1928/29 England Steve:

    “Heard that one about the farmers daughter”? The trials bike that catches fire. The beagle meet attended by airplanes. Lord Baden-Powell. The ladies swigging gin. Fantastic!

  41. Knuckle Dragger

    Sanctuary Cities.

    San Franciso.
    Los Angeles.
    Darwin.

    In the latter’s case, we are bombarded with what are politely termed ‘itinerants’ who are here because they can obtain grog far easier than they can further down the track.

    They are ‘homeless’, because despite the cavalcade of services and accommodation available to them, you can’t stay there if you are pissed off your eyeb#lls. So they sleep rough, or ‘long-grass’ it, as it’s known.

    Which leads to mountains of human shit on the streets. The first job for traders of a morning is to get the fire hose out and spray the excrement into the gutter.

    Naturally, there are tsunamis of flag-waving and tears from the usual suspects, who maintain we must ‘do something.’ To accurately identify the problem and attempt to rectify it is verboten because racist.

  42. Steve trickler

    Catching up on Alvi in Hong Kong. Almost a week old.



  43. Some History

    Greta looks as though she’s lost some weight.

    Greta doesn’t know hardship until she’s walked in Elton Con’s [Dolce & Gabbana] shoes:

    https://imgur.com/6KXBhdA

  44. Some History

    Some Elton “profundity”

    Elton John: ‘I am a European – not a stupid, imperialist English idiot’
    The singer says Brexit has made him ashamed to be British, while performing in Verona during his final world tour

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/may/31/elton-john-brexit-not-imperialist-english-idiot-verona

  45. mh

    A high-profile former U.S. Attorney was appointed special prosecutor Friday morning to re-examine the Jussie Smollett case and why charges were abruptly dropped against him.

    https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/jussie-smollett-case-gets-a-new-special-prosecutor-to-investigate-the-alleged-hoax

  46. Some History

    Elton John: ‘They wanted to tone down the sex and drugs. But I haven’t led a PG-13 life’
    In this exclusive article, Elton John writes about his extraordinary life and why he finally decided to give the Rocketman biopic the green light

    https://www.theguardian.com/global/2019/may/26/elton-john-in-my-own-words-exclusive-my-life-and-making-rocketman

    Elton seems to be held together by drugs and silicone.

  47. miltonf

    Nasty piece of work. Thick with the royals too. Says a lot.

  48. Nick

    Elton John: ‘I am a European – not a stupid, imperialist English idiot’

    Elton Hercules John. Yep, a man of the people

  49. Knuckle Dragger

    mh.

    Harris. Early days for him and has a lot of potential. Likes to get the bat on ball early, a bit like Slater. I’d stick with him.

    Bancroft. Great mindset for an opener. Needs a few tweaks to stop him falling over a bit at the crease. Doesn’t mind being hit. Outstanding under the lid at short leg.

    Warner. Obviously, a fucking cheat. But if we must have him, and considering he’s just starting to get a bit vulnerable to the new pill I’d consider moving him down to 5 or 6. He can damage, and potentially put a shit tin of runs on with the tail.

    Ranatunga ibn Miandad (thank you, thank you thank you John C.). Says his critics mistake languidity for laziness and points to David Gower and Mark Waugh. Waugh in particular, though, could absorb punishment for hours if required. He would be gone in 20 seconds if there was a hardened No 3 to replace him.

    Head. Tough as bat shit on your car and worth keeping. Hasn’t made the most of opportunity yet. You’d probably take him over Wade as a batsman.

    Smith. Sook, ex-skipper and cheat enabler. Has the lot, including mindset. Dozens of junior rep batsmen are trying to replicate his style. Not one so far has succeeded.

    KD’s top 7:

    Harris.
    Bancroft.
    Pucovski.
    Smith.
    Head.
    Warner.
    Paine.

  50. thefrollickingmole

    Steve trickler

    Im in 2 minds on a lot of those vids.

    On one hand they are likely to be as presented, people wanting help.

    On the other hand think how awful that plays to the Chinese domestic market, Chinese begging a western nation to intervene.

    Chinas smart enough to play for its domestic market, having a few people deliberately stoking “These Singapore people are traitorous scum” sets up a crackdown nicely.

  51. Leigh Lowe

    So far as I can tell, the ‘writers’ festival includes no first rate Australian authors.

    I think one of their imports is Bill Bryson.
    Saw him a few years back.
    Quite a handy turn of written phrase but not a great verbal presenter.
    He is now a bit woke, of course.
    CAGW, anti-Trump, anti-Boris.

  52. Crossie:

    What was a 57 year old woman doing on the beat? I don’t think even male police officers that old are on patrol duty.

    You’ll probably find she was doing the equivalent of a pilots ‘flight time’ for the allowances.

  53. jupes

    What about Laboosh?

    A half century and top score for three innings in a row must stand for something.

  54. calli

    Today in Stupid:

    Our Lungs are burning!

    Won’t someone think of the lungs?

  55. calli

    I’m off to see the lungs in a couple of months. In a jet.

    Hope they’re still there.

  56. Leigh Lowe

    KD’s top 7:

    Harris.
    Bancroft.
    Pucovski.
    Smith.
    Head.
    Warner.
    Paine.

    Too many Victorians.
    Not enough NS Welshers.
    4/10.
    Must try harder.

  57. Top Ender

    The Weekend Australian Magazine has an interview with Bill Bryson.

    He finishes it by saying how sad he is about Boris Johnson and Donald Trump.

    Full woke.

  58. Leigh Lowe

    Top ender.
    Saw that.
    Sad.
    Good writer, but I guess the gigs dry up unless you demonstrate wokiness.

  59. Knuckle Dragger

    If Laboosh keeps going, even though he’s clearly Radio Rental, he’d push Head and Wade out for a spot at No.5. All Head needs to do is not score and the nutbag will pick him off. Apparently the energy he injects into the team is something else, as well.

    The only real conjecture is No.3. Khawaja is not it. Pucovski is a young feller (21-22, I believe), has made a trailer load of Shield runs but is apparently a bit mentally fragile. The only way to get him in is to surround him in the order with hard nuts and get some of that rubbed off on him.

    I can’t think of a No.3 that’s close. It’s a specialist position in my view, not one for third openers.

  60. Knuckle Dragger

    I read a couple of Bryson’s books once. Good writer, nice turn of phrase.

    Then he mentioned acid rain destroying the forests. Never read another word.

  61. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    There’s an article in today’s Australian about gender dysphoria being pushed as a diagnosis on unwilling parents with a child who has had various emotional problems. The ‘approved’ gender clinics and other providers refuse to nominate parents who might wish to be interviewed about any difficulties they have had with a diagnosis made too quickly and hormones offered too readily to their child.

    If any Cats are in this unhappy situation themselves with their families or relatives, or if you know of anyone in such a circumstance, or who regrets their own transition, who might wish to be interviewed by The Australian, tell them to read the article and make contact. It may be time for a counter-movement from ordinary people sick of this clinical over-reach to develop and be heard.

  62. Leigh Lowe

    On crickit selection, the funniest NSW pom-pom girl was Jim Maxwell.
    All through Warnie’s career, he would keep chipping away pushing up Stuart MacGill.
    Was totally in the bag for Peter Roebuck’s protege, Ed Cowan, even when it was obvious he didn’t cut it.
    And, every time a NSW incumbent was due for the chop, and the conversation turned to players south of the Murray or North of the Tweed, Jim would throw in some Sydney grade cricketer who hadn’t even played for NSW.

  63. Steve trickler

    thefrollickingmole
    #3139996, posted on August 24, 2019 at 1:48 pm

    He’s done a better job than corporate covering this.

  64. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I should add that this article specifically asks for such parents to make contact with this journalist from the Australian.

  65. Some History:

    Greta looks as though she’s lost some weight.

    Look in the bucket, mate.

  66. Knuckle Dragger

    If I was Warner, btw I’d jump at the chance to move down to 6.

    Hasn’t got a lot left to prove as an opener. Comes in against the old pill.

    And the chance for red inks*, to match the hair, complexion, mustakka and flags would be highly attractive.

    *Remaining not out at the end of an innings. It raises your average. For all the economists and gamer nerds out there.

  67. Leigh Lowe

    The only real conjecture is No.3. Khawaja is not it. Pucovski is a young feller (21-22, I believe), has made a trailer load of Shield runs but is apparently a bit mentally fragile.

    Like Marcus Stoinis, often MIA with metal elf issues.
    But did get 50 in a low-scoring sheild final and I think his innings had lots of weather interruptions.

  68. Knuckle Dragger

    LL,

    Jim Maxwell. Haaaaa.

    I remember him banging on about Richard Chee Quee from the NSW grades.

    He should put his hand up. Diversideee inclusion.

  69. Knuckle Dragger

    Anyone that pumps up MacGill needs a barbed-wire hiding.

  70. Leigh Lowe

    Ah, yes, Richard Chee Quee.
    Part of the Lee brothers band, I think.
    By the way, how is their 50 state stadium tour going?

  71. Dr Fred Lenin

    So Reg Ken Dwight the mate of Harry Battenberg and the merkle ,or is it merkel ,is not proud to be English becuse of the British Independence Movement Brexit ? Suck it up you fat poof,fancy that fat drug addled misfit and his poofter “husband”being allowed to adopt a child ,when you think of the vetting a normal heterosexual couple have to go through , with socialist “workers” at every turn ,as Hansen said ,”please explain” .

  72. Knuckle Dragger

    I’ll ask Binga’s young bloke if I ever see him again.

  73. Caveman

    Kwagie is gone . Won’t be in next test.

  74. Knuckle Dragger

    Right.

    Today’s agenda:

    Sleep in: Achieved.
    Coffee and smokes: Achieved.
    Check the news: Achieved.
    Shaved head: Achieved.
    Pants: Achieved.
    Mouthed off about crikkit on an economics blog: Achieved.

    Orf. The Hobart Hurricanes are in a 20/20 up here shortly.

  75. JohnJJJ

    Mitch M.
    #3139943, posted on August 24, 2019 at 12:21 pm
    Australia’s loses a valuable individual because of stifling rules.

    And here is the obverse. Dubai ( and other Gulf states) attract professionals and all other workers by paying 50% more than their normal wage and there is no tax. But the Australian professional is trained in Australia with all the expenses as they grow up. Then after a few years work, once they are skilled, they get a gig in the Gulf. They never get citizenship and when they can’t work anymore they return home to live off the indirect welfare in Australia.
    The bell curve moves so that the people who are left in Oz are less skilled, competent and badly trained. They rise up in Australia, get gig with the public service, academia, politics or the media. And that is why we are going to the dogs. This filter or shift of the bell curve has been going on for the last 20 years. It explains a lot.

  76. Tom

    Rockdoctor
    #3139974, posted on August 24, 2019 at 1:10 pm
    When boarding an aeroplane I usually have a look at it or around the doors if on aerobridges. A Qantaslink 717 I was on out of BNE last night had chipping paint on fuselage, paint in other areas was perished to the point of nearly down to the fuselage. The plane might be safe but it does start to put doubt into ones mind whstever else is not being attended to…

    Rocky, out of the menagerie of Qantas subsidiaries, all the Boeing 717s are operated by Cobham Aviation’s National Jet Systems. As a former independent, National Jet used to operate a fleet of BAe146s — a shitbucket built by British Aerospace that’s the only type in Australian service to have suffered a simultaneous four-engine failure (because it uses four helicopter engines that were never designed for high-hours work in a turbojet).

    The 717s, formerly built by McDonnell Douglas (taken over by Boeing), are basically re-engined DC9s and in Qantas service are deployed nationwide serving a mixture of mining/business and holiday routes.

    Compared to the rest of the Qantas fleet, they’re thrashed hours-wise, which is why only mandated, no-go faults are fixed in regular line maintenance and why cosmetic stuff like chipped paint is saved for the longer C- and D-checks (performed only every few months or years).

    I have faith that CASA isn’t slacking on its oversight of Cobham, though I have no doubt it isn’t getting the scrutiny applied in recent years to Virgin’s Tiger Air subsidiary, which was grounded for safety violations in 2011 when no action was taken against a bunch of dangerous cowboys piloting (Qantas) Jetstar A320s.

  77. jupes

    Pucovski is a young feller (21-22, I believe), has made a trailer load of Shield runs but is apparently a bit mentally fragile.

    Not what you need at No 3 three then. I’d prefer Laboosh with a bit less talent but a bit more mental toughness.

  78. Leigh Lowe

    Knuckle Dragger

    #3140017, posted on August 24, 2019 at 2:17 pm

    Anyone that pumps up MacGill needs a barbed-wire hiding.

    Warnie pitches one a foot outside the right-handers leg and fizzes it to first slip.
    Maxwell : “It looks impressive, but someone like MacGill with his controlled spin, brings the LBW into play.”
    Warnie lets two more big leggies go, then hits the bamboozled bat-boy in the ankles with a flipper. Plumb LB.
    Maxwell : “Did that hit something? This pitch is really starting to keep low. It would be perfect for the sort of skidding deliveries that Stuart MacGill is renowned for.”
    Warnie gets a Michelle at the SCG.
    Maxwell : “A pity they can’t see fit to play MacGill on his home deck. And his initials are “SCG”, after all.”

  79. stackja

    Binary as an organisation is concerned with the role that gender plays in our society. We affirm the fact that gender is binary.

    Male and Female.

    Our organisation aims to promote and celebrate the inherent differences between boys and girls, men and women. We uphold the biological assertion that there are two complementary genders.

    Binary exists to challenge the aggressive agenda to de-gender our society in the areas of education, health, military, business, politics and the law.

  80. Leigh Lowe

    Caveman

    #3140021, posted on August 24, 2019 at 2:24 pm

    Kwagie is gone . Won’t be in next test.

    That lazy swat outside off last night was a shocker.
    And did he really compare himself to David Gower and Mark Waugh?

  81. Knuckle Dragger

    Maxwell. The McAvaney of criggit.

  82. Knuckle Dragger

    Yes he did. I watch him doing it in a presser about 18 months back.

    Someone asked him about his style.

    After he’d scraped some of the sand out of his vagina, he sooked that people never complained about Waugh and Gower.

    Possibly because they made a heap of runs, you flog.

  83. jupes

    Was totally in the bag for Peter Roebuck’s protege, Ed Cowan, even when it was obvious he didn’t cut it.

    A yes Peter Roebuck. Cut just a bit more slack by the ABC than George Pell.

  84. Leigh Lowe

    After he’d scraped some of the sand out of his vagina, he sooked that people never complained about Waugh and Gower.

    Possibly because they made a heap of runs, you flog.

    Not to mention that Waugh was an A-grade slips catch, and Gower was red-hot in the covers.
    As distinct from the lazy Paki, who is the master of the harbour bridge dive, rolling around and staying down so someone else can do the chasing.

  85. Leigh Lowe

    A yes Peter Roebuck. Cut just a bit more slack by the ABC than George Pell.

    Mmmyes.
    The key words after he entered his fifty foot guilty plea onto the hotel awning were “complex”, “troubled” and “enigmatic”.
    No mention of his sexual exploitation of dirt-poor black African lads via his LBW “charitable trust”.

  86. Leigh Lowe

    Band “Six and Out”.
    Members
    Richard Chee Quee
    Brett Lee
    Shane Lee
    Brad McNamara
    Gavin Robertson

  87. Steve trickler

    It’s a great interview. It will not be on TV.

    For the record, iv’e never heard of Emily Lau.



  88. Des Deskperson

    ‘I think one of their imports is Bill Bryson.’

    i’ve just been through the programme for the Festival and can’t find any mention of Bryson.

    None of the big names of Oz literature – Wint0n, Flanagan, Garner. whether you like them of not – who might be expected to at least make an appearance at a juridsuction-level writers festival are there. Mostly it is the same ‘garden variety’ – hat tip to Chris Kenny- ‘progressives’ who were featured last year – and I mean the same individuals as well as the same types – although under Alan Behm’s direction, there were also a few conservatives including – gasp – John Howard.

    All in all, a pretty cut-rate event.

    Scrolling through the programme, I’m struck by the whiteness of the participants – Tim Soup-possum stands out – but that’s almost any bougie-progressive institution or event.

  89. Leigh Lowe

    #3140036, posted on August 24, 2019 at 3:06 pm

    ‘I think one of their imports is Bill Bryson.’

    i’ve just been through the programme for the Festival and can’t find any mention of Bryson.

    Ah, that was me joining the dots, Des.
    Interview in today’s Oz opens up with some crack he made about Canberra in “Down Under”, so I assumed he was involved.

  90. cohenite

    Does anyone know anything about this mob of tinkling vagina boosters, Mad Fucking Witches, which are the distaff of sleeping gnats. mfw was set up by some harridan called jennie hill.

  91. Johno

    Yass to Murrumbateman Water Pipeline
    Project Overview

    The village of Murrumbateman is currently serviced by a water supply system, which provides water drawn from ground water sources. While the bore water undergoes a disinfection treatment process, it is occasionally of below average quality, encounters supply issues in the summer months and does not provide a secure water supply for Murrumbateman, today or into the future. The 19km long, 250mm diameter pipeline from Yass to Murrumbateman will service up to 3000 people in the village.
    Key Project Dates

    2016/17 – Easement creation (pipeline route and reservoir sites) and concept design.
    2017/18 – Survey and detailed design, environmental studies and easement creation.
    2018/19 – Calling and awarding of tender for construction and commence construction.
    2019/20 – Construction and pipeline commissioning.
    2020/21 – Finalisation of easement creation.
    2021/22 – Extension of water mains to border of future development areas.

    Local Government. No comment.

  92. Johno

    A bargain at $14 million.

  93. calli

    I presume it’s the same Jennie Hill.

    Attention please.

  94. egg_

    Some History:

    Greta looks as though she’s lost some weight.

    Look in the bucket, mate.

    LMFAO.
    Recycling?
    Burly?

  95. calli

    She’s been whingeing a long time. Sexist drivers.

    Must be a delight to live with.

  96. Leigh Lowe

    The headline from calli’s link.

    Mental illness is so stigmatised, I sometimes wish my son had had cancer

    Yeah, nah.
    Get back to me when he has had cancer.
    What she means by “stigmatised” is, “the medical professionals won’t sit with me free-of-charge for hours on end and listen to my whacky theories.”
    Has there been a study on the correlation between feminista zealots and their offspring going spazzo?

  97. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Labor at war! Walk-outs spark farcical scenes at state conference
    Joe SpagnoloThe West Australian
    Saturday, 24 August 2019 12:29PM
    Picture: Twitter/geofparry7

    Labor is at war, with unions clashing at what was supposed to be the party’s – and Premier Mark McGowan’s – showpiece event.

    Union members of what is now called Progressive Labor – which includes the Maritime Union of WA, the Shop Distributive and Allied Employees Association and the CFMEU – walked out of the Labor State Conference before Mr McGowan had a chance to address the party faithful.

    Embarrassingly, the walk-out also happened just before Welcome to Country, and was sparked when Perth MHR Patrick Gorman – a member of United Voice and The Left – moved that a delegate of the MUA was ineligible to vote at the conference due to a technicality.

    Mr Gorman, a proxy delegate of the Federal Parliamentary Labor Party, moved the motion to uphold an earlier ruling of the administrative committee.

    Labor state president and United Voice state secretary Carolyn Smith then proceeded to have a vote on the issue – incensing the Progressive Right.

    “This is the first time I have ever seen this sort of stuff happening in the Labor Party,” Australian Manufacturing Workers Union state secretary Steve McArtney said.

    “I was really disappointed. It was at the start of the Welcome to Country.

    “They (union members who walked out) could have waited and given due respect to the first people.

    “And then they can get up and have their say – not walking out and embarrassing people.”

    Mr McArtney is a member of the Left.

    Fight you bastards, fight! I hate peace!

  98. Zyconoclast

    Elton seems to be held together by drugs and silicone.

    What was he being torn apart by?

  99. Des Deskperson

    ‘I presume it’s the same Jennie Hill.’

    Check out the picture of the Hill family at Uluru.

    They are standing in front of the climb.

    Looks like they may have gone up.

  100. Nick

    And did he really compare himself to David Gower and Mark Waugh?

    Maybe their brothers framed someone for terrorism offences ?

  101. Peter, formerly known as Memoryvault

    Thanks for the video, Egg. Been a long time since I saw it.
    Another one in the same vein by the same crowd.

  102. Nick

    Cats might like Jock Serong’s ‘the rules of backyard cricket’. A great read.

  103. Nick

    What was he being torn apart by?

    His husbands’ cock.

  104. Zyconoclast

    Matt Canavan is not mincing his words.

    Since the departure of Chrissy Pyne, the Libs need Timmy Wilson, Trench Rimmerman and possibly Warren Entsch need to step up and claim the mincing title.

  105. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    when pressed I can cook for myself, it’s not particularly difficult.

    That’s what I say too, Tel, but in the event something always goes wrong.
    I manage in the end, but not without anguish, and as for the thought of doing it for pleasure, well …

  106. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    notafan
    #3139961, posted on August 24, 2019 at 12:47 pm

    Hey DrBGthesexbotologist

    Nota, what are you doing and why?

  107. Zyconoclast

    Matt Canavan is not mincing his words.

    Since the departure of Chrissy Pyne, the Libs need Timmy Wilson, Trench Rimmerman to grab the mincing title by the [email protected]

  108. Tintarella di Luna

    That’s what I say too, Tel, but in the event something always goes wrong.

    Lizzie I have sampled your hospitality and your cooking was just fine, both delicious and nutritious.

  109. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    In January of 2016 Jennie Hill set up Facebook page called Mad Fucking Witches to highlight the appalling sexism, misogyny, racism, homophobia, transphobia and ableism she was seeing in Australia.

    Yeah just appalling.

    Try being a black transvestite in Iran or Russia.

  110. bespoke

    Delta A
    #3139878, posted on August 24, 2019 at 11:15 am

    Cheers. The wife has an eye patch so the pirate jokes run thick. He!.

  111. Mitch M.

    I would suggest that’s set unreasonably high, but probably they don’t believe that someone over 45 is likely to keep working and will therefore put the hand out in a few years for government handouts. Could be unfair presumption

    I agree. My friend showed me the documentation and it seems absurd(I just checked again, true). The problem with the 45 age limit is that it prevents those with decades of experience in field entering the country. Those people make excellent mentors, bring a range of experience that is invaluable, and given my friend’s academic background he could provide training in a formal setting. He would not need an Aus pension, he has assets and will be eligible for a British pension(I think, he has lived and worked there most of his life).

    The laughable thing is that it appears the agent had trouble reading my friend’s CV. He has Ph.D, multiple post grads in education, has written a couple of books, a member of multiple educational organisations, a member of Mensa, and probably knows more about ASD than anyone in this country. Perhaps administrators are ill equipped to perceive the potential of those so far to the right of the Bell Curve. 🙂

    I do agree though that when it comes to cooks and hairdressers we should be able to easily train them locally … and quite frankly if there’s a “shortage” that only means they aren’t getting paid enough. Anyone can learn hairdressing and/or how to fry bacon and eggs if there’s sufficient incentive to do so.

    Of course. I’m not in the business world Tel but in my younger days it seems that employers were much more willing to take on people and train them. That seems to have largely declined and may represent one reason why youth unemployment remains so high.

  112. Roger

    I’d prefer Laboosh with a bit less talent but a bit more mental toughness.

    Mental toughness?

    Did you see how quickly he got up after that Archer bouncer?

  113. egg_

    What was he being torn apart by?

    His husbands’ cock.

    Nick wins the internets for the week!

  114. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    “Jennie Hill” is totally off her bonce.

    So I don’t look forward to working in all-boys schools, and therefore wasn’t surprised about the news recently that violence at residential university colleges is still rampant. Horrified, of course, but not surprised. The Red Zone Report includes graphic descriptions of the abuse, assault and rape of women and sometimes of other boys, almost universally carried out by young men.

    Not true at all. Look at how single mothers abuse or enable abuse of their kids.

    Also: don’t let a woman do a man’s job or force kids to go to school, but, she’s paranoid. I never saw male students beat up female teachers, ever.

    I’ve taught in many schools where boys’ behaviour is clearly toxic. The worst boys school I ever taught in was a large Catholic school. At this school, I was actively afraid for my safety: not because the boys were violent, but because they simply disregarded an older, smaller female body. Walking down the corridor to get to the room I was to teach in, I was constantly in danger of being trampled or flung into walls. They simply didn’t have any respect for me as a person.

    In the classroom, they were almost impossible to teach: dismissive, noisy, constantly interrupting. They swore and told crude jokes, and a couple simply refused to participate. I’m a good teacher and teenagers are usually engrossed, but overcoming calculated disrespect is exceptionally difficult. Then, my co-instructor took a group outside for some training in a car. He was with a group standing beside our course car when a young woman drove past. One of the boys called out loudly “Show us your tits”. She heard and looked around at the group in horror, and the whole group howled with laughter, thoroughly chuffed that they’d embarrassed her. My instructor was appalled, told these boys so and terminated the session. Later, he told the school’s year level coordinator about the incident, who dismissed it as “boys will be boys”. This school had no interest in their students’ sexist behaviour whatsoever. Suffice to say, we’ve never been back.

    The training in the car sounds like how a PSA that the PCYC would show to kids….

  115. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Secondly, society itself is co-educational. Boys need to learn that women are, in fact, regular people. I think it’s more important than their Year 12 marks. And boys who aren’t around lots of women often fail to learn this. I’m amazed, therefore, when others are tremendously surprised when boys who interact with few women are unable to view them as fully human. And that such men who go on to gain positions of power in business, religion and government then refuse to adequately employ, promote, mentor and pre-select women, and often refuse to respect them, too.

    Jesus christ lady, you’re laying it on a bit thick.

    Boys who don’t want to end up going to university might become welders or truckies.

    How many female welders or truckies have you seen IRL? Zero? Yep, me too.

    They might be smarter than you think and avoid liabilities like maternity leave that no one “deserves”.

    *Respect me & stop bitching about women having life on easy mode. BTW, I need more rights. Ta*

  116. notafan

    Sounds like a fabrication.

    My sons went to a large Catholic boys school, plenty of full-time female teachers, some young and pretty. There are always ratbags but toxic, nonsense.

  117. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I can’t uber as I’m taking my dog.
    I can’t go without puppy.

    Walkies time then.
    In Colonial times a nice walk of about 10km there and then back was considered usual.

    Anyway, why can’t you take Fido in an uber?
    Is it an elf and safetee thing, or just a rule?
    Couldn’t you ask for an uber than doesn’t mind dogs?

    Can you take them in taxi’s? I don’t know.

  118. mh

    A yes Peter Roebuck. Cut just a bit more slack by the ABC than George Pell.

    Roebuck was employed by the ABC despite the ABC knowing full well his background. Roebuck’s politics meant his behaviour could be overlooked.

  119. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Just lay down and let feminists destroy your business and career:

    https://i-sight.com/resources/why-avoiding-women-at-work-is-the-wrong-response-to-metoo/

    Why Avoiding Women at Work is the Wrong Response to #MeToo

    Err..

    Some men fear that their employer will fire them immediately in the case of a harassment or gender discrimination claim.

    Well, not immediately. Yay!

  120. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Lizzie I have sampled your hospitality and your cooking was just fine, both delicious and nutritious.

    Whoo hoo. Thank you Tinta. Got away with it did I?
    Perhaps you didn’t know the back story. Don’t forget too that Hairy did the meats.

    I am very good at disguising what my efforts were supposed to be originally.
    Explains my reputation for being able to produce ‘authentic’ peasant cookery. 🙂

  121. egg_

    The World Bank granted the Xinjiang Department of Education a $50 million loan for a program called the “Xinjiang Technical and Vocational Education and Training Project”—which is how China refers to its enormous concentration camps in Xinjiang https://cecc.gov/media-center/press-releases/xinjiang-chairs-ask-whether-world-bank-funding-crimes-against-humanity

    Izzat what the Chink cop cars are here for?

  122. Mitch M.
    The problem you point to fits with an attempt to obtain a 187 visa.
    There should be no impediment to a 482 visa. None whatsoever.

  123. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Sadly, the new induction stove is not going to help.
    I’m fiddling with the nobs constantly. The heat goes from fierce to tepid so quickly.
    Half of my pasta was stuck to the hot pan base the other night.
    You have to keep stirring the pot to keep the contents on an even keel.

    And yes, I’ve just re-read this, and I am not going to rephrase anything.
    It is cooking and stovetops that are under discussion.

    hahaha Hairy has just come in to say he’s on the way to the gym and the shops. Tinta has just said what a good cook I am, I say proudly, turning around to say my fond farewell for the hour. He gives me that special loving smile, and puts his hand on my shoulder, giving me that extra kindly touch.

    He then says in some puzzlement and with not a hint of criticism towards me in his voice: where did she get that idea?

  124. zyconoclast

    A yes Peter Roebuck. Cut just a bit more slack by the ABC than George Pell.

    Roebuck was employed by the ABC despite the ABC knowing full well his background. Roebuck’s politics meant his behaviour could be overlooked.

    There is a Peter Roebuck hagiography website

    The eulogy by Fabien Muir sounds a bit disturbing.

  125. Nob

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #3140081, posted on August 24, 2019 at 4:50 pm
    fiddling with the nobs constantly

    Story of my life.

    look:
    Gas hob
    Electric oven.

    That’s the way God planned it.
    That’s the way God meant it to be.

  126. cohenite

    Yeah, this jennie hill behind mad fucking witches is a full blown misandrist and loon but the problem is the weak arsed businesses which fold like a dick in ice when she and her vag banshees turn up instead of throwing them in the gutter.

  127. Nob

    Frank Walker from National Tiles
    #3140077, posted on August 24, 2019 at 4:35 pm
    Just lay down and let feminists destroy your business and career

    Smart small businesses either hire no women, tough working class women or hardened battleaxe type.

    I chose the latter.
    Fearsome gatekeeper.

  128. zyconoclast

    Check out the video

    A Florida man on trial for manslaughter for killing an unarmed black man in a 2018 ‘Stand Your Ground shooting’ has been found guilty of manslaughter.

    Markeis McGlockton was shot and killed by Michael Drejka during a dispute over a disabled person’s parking spot at a Clearwater convenience store.

    Drejka, 49, admitted to shooting McGlockton last year, but his defense team unsuccessfully tried to argue it was self-defense, reigniting a fierce national debate on the controversial law.

    The gunman will be sentenced on October 10 and faces a minimum of nine-and-a-half-years in prison and a maximum of 15 years, according to Florida state law.

  129. cohenite

    There is a Peter Roebuck hagiography website

    The eulogy by Fabien Muir sounds a bit disturbing.

    Wasn’t roebuck gay as a goldfish?

  130. Nick

    I want to redress an imbalance in the commentaries of some journalists and other tabloid drivellers. The positive qualities should be reiterated, and loudly, to drown out the carrousel-like litany of sins like secrecy, solitariness, dark demons, to name some. Charges made before any cross-examinations, public inquest, forensic evidence! And sent around the globe at the touch of a digital button!

    George Pell or Peter Roebuck ?

  131. Nob

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #3140074, posted on August 24, 2019 at 4:29 pm
    I can’t uber as I’m taking my dog.
    I can’t go without puppy.

    Walkies time then.
    In Colonial times a nice walk of about 10km there and then back was considered usual.

    Anyway, why can’t you take Fido in an uber?
    Is it an elf and safetee thing, or just a rule?
    Couldn’t you ask for an uber than doesn’t mind dogs

    Yes you can and same with taxis.
    Phone in and describe size of dog.
    Driver can refuse if he/she doesn’t know about dog until they turn up and see it.

    Jeez, in Paris it’s not unusual to see the driver’s dog occupying the front passenger seat.
    Or it wasn’t.
    Well, it’s unusual now that there are more dog haram drivers.

  132. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    We had soft smashed pasta with left-over salmon run through it in a sort-of omelette done in melted butter for lunch. It tasted quite good and used up a lot of otherwise useless pasta.

    One of my retrieval tricks is to cover everything with an expensive parmesan sprinkle.
    Actually, I should write a book of hints. I could call it ‘The Book of Heroic Recipe Retrievals”. A sure fire seller (or is that fire saler?) as I think there are lots of those who ‘just get by’ as I do in the cookery capers. Oh – a bottle of capers can come in handy too. A jar of cream can also work wonders once the burned bits have been scraped off.

    I hope your holiday entails a lot people taking you to nice restaurants and places to see, Tinta, and cooking glorious Italian dishes for you at home. Let others lift the fish slice, you just lift your glass of grappa.

  133. Beachcomber

    A yes Peter Roebuck. Cut just a bit more slack by the ABC than George Pell.

    Roebuck was employed by the ABC despite the ABC knowing full well his background. Roebuck’s politics meant his behaviour could be overlooked.

    The ABC’s Jim Maxwell was ‘Spanky’ Roebuck’s best buddy, an admiring colleague.

  134. JC

    Sorry Zyco, but that vid clearly showed this wasn’t a case of stand your ground. The black dude began moving back when the assailant pulled out his gun and shot him in the chest. The jury found correctly in this case.

  135. Old School Conservative

    Mrs OSC and I enjoyed “Danger Close” at the flicks today.
    Wonderful movie.
    Of the many great scenes still bouncing around my skull I am still gobsmacked how men, hugging mother earth to get below the line of fire of advancing enemy, were still being shot.
    My understanding of how that battle unfolded has risen far beyond any reading I’ve done on it.
    The term “danger close” has real meaning.
    It may seem trite to say, but “Well done those men”.

  136. Tintarella di Luna

    Explains my reputation for being able to produce ‘authentic’ peasant cookery. 🙂

    which is my favourite kind of cookery and which I have sampling abundantly in these last few days with my relatives in the Veneto — my hosts are Giuseppe 79 and Maria 73 my aunt is 91, and I met up with a lady when lost looking for a non-existent supermarket, Delfina 97 still out in the garden picking zucchini planted and tended by her – no wonder they live such long lives, home-made salami, vino and they just walk out the back door to their orto for fresh tomatoes, eggplants, radicchio, fagiolini, fagoli, cucumbers, pumpkins, plums, pears, apples, figs, every herb imaginable, the sage is a sight with leaves growing bigger than basil — rich beautiful soil – just marvellous family company.

  137. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The Mediterranean diet. You can’t beat it. Sounds wonderful, Tinta.
    I am five points healthier just thinking about it. 🙂

  138. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It may seem trite to say, but “Well done those men”.

    I haven’t seen the film, but did they raise the issue of “R.A.A.F. reluctance” to fly the ammunition resupply mission?

  139. calli

    It’s a Paradise, Tinta.

    Sun ripened figs….mmmmmmm.

    On peasant cookery – braised lamb shanks chez calli this evening. Washed down with some Tilly’s Vineyard.

  140. calli

    Bother. Only late if you’re in Kiwiastan.

  141. calli

    It’s quiet and pleasant here at the bar.

    Any stouches scheduled for later this evening? Any weapons of preference? I’ll pop out to the shed and get a selection.

  142. Cassie of Sydney

    Apologies if this has already been posted…from The Oz……

    “The staggering fall of George Pell”

    “When George Pell started limping down the potholed legal road from the Magistrates Court towards the High Court, there were a hefty eight complainants, 26 charges and a world of anger in the child sex abuse survivor community.

    There were others who had claimed wrongdoing but this was the initial mountain of accusations lined up by Victoria Police in 2017.

    When the committal hearing started last year, this had been whittled down to a hill — six complainants with one having died — and 19 charges.

    Nine of these charges relating to two complainants were discharged at the committal phase and the accused was ordered to stand trial on 10 charges regarding four accusers. The charges varied from forced oral sex to inappropriate touching.

    Today, after complainant after complainant’s accusations failed to reach a jury, there is just one man who has blocked Pell’s bid for freedom.

    For the cardinal’s many supporters, the fact he is still languishing in jail, convicted of sexually abusing two choirboys in a priest’s sacristy, is cause for concern that he is the victim of one of the gravest injustices in Australian legal history.

    But these defenders must also face their own reality. A County Court jury convicted Pell on five charges of sex abuse and now two of three judges of the Court of Appeal have believed the complainant, a father in his 30s, around whom the prosecution happily built their case.

    As The Weekend Australian has consistently reported, Pell is up against it for the simple reason that his accuser has been judged now by the jury and two judges as compelling and honest.

    Nothing about this case had been simple. Despite the jury’s view that the former choirboy was telling the truth, one member of the Court of Appeal has matched the concerns of many others that much of what the jury found didn’t necessarily add up.

    And not just any judge but Justice Mark Weinberg, the most qualified criminal practitioner of the three on the Court of Appeal, who cast doubt about the complainant’s account.

    In scores of conversations The Weekend Australian has had with senior lawyers and legal figures, it has been extremely difficult to find people who don’t have a concern about the Pell convictions. That is, are they really sound?

    This anecdotal feedback obviously does not outweigh the judgment of Chief Justice Anne Ferguson and Justice Chris Maxwell but it serves to underpin the extent to which this is a complicated and sadly divisive prosecution that is already being likened to Lindy Chamberlain, who was wrongly convicted of murdering her baby daughter in 1982 in central Australia.

    The gravity of the challenges facing the legal system was clear this week when federal Attorney-General Christian Porter intervened to support the rule of law. “I’ve got a great deal of faith, having been in the court system, in the jury system,’’ he said.

    “It’s got a wisdom and a resilience that you don’t get from simply having the trials, I think, perpetually by a judge alone.’’

    Pell, despite being reviled in the survivor community for his reign as archbishop of Melbourne overseeing the church’s response to a mountain of child abuse claims, has a fleet of very strong, often high-profile supporters, two former Liberal prime ministers among them.

    The defence of Pell will likely have cost millions, with the Sydney silk Bret Walker tipped to run any campaign to free the cardinal in the High Court. While there were concerns about how much money might be available, The Weekend Australian understands a prominent group of Catholics is prepared to back Pell all the way in the hope of getting him out of jail.

    Senior lawyers believe that Walker has already set up a legal path to free Pell through his advocacy in the Court of Appeal, with a similar net effect of the dissenting Weinberg judgment, which Pell backers hope is the road map to victory.

    “Weinberg has laid out the breadcrumbs for the High Court,’’ The Weekend Australian was told. Even before Weinberg had dissented, a senior silk said: “He will be the key. He is the expert and you would expect the others to defer to him.’’

    They didn’t.

    The other valid question being asked is whether the High Court will actually grant leave, with Pell’s high profile not enough to automatically warrant it being heard. The court will be looking for broader implications.

    It is hard to describe the toxic soup that is the aftermath of child sexual abuse in church-run institutions. Attending each court hearing has been hard for everyone, as parents of abused children gathering inside and many people deeply unhappy with the way the church has handled the issue.

    Who can blame them? There were thousands of victims in Victoria alone.

    Pell would have to have been the church’s answer to Sergeant Schultz in Hogan’s Heroes — who made an art form of knowing nothing even when he knew something — not to have suspected some of his clergy friends were up to no good.

    Pell has denied knowing about some significant cases, stating that he wasn’t aware or interested that his former friend Gerald Ridsdale was an abuser, or at least aware of the rumours.

    Although, to be fair, it was the big-drinking late bishop of Ballarat, Ronald Mulkearns, whose legacy was shattered for having failed to deal with Ridsdale. Ridsdale was a sick, evil man but the best that can be said for Mulkearns was that he was criminally incompetent and spineless.

    Pell’s legacy has been destroyed by these charges. His health is failing. It is very sad to see the dramatic deterioration of a once powerful man, regardless of the convictions.

    The High Court appeal, if it is successful, will serve the dominant purpose of getting Pell out of jail. A win will stand as a Pyrrhic victory for the cardinal and his closest supporters.

    His enemies, and there are many, would simply look at the County Court and Court of Appeal results and assume the law is an ass when it comes to the highest court. This would be of limited concern to a man who must be so desperate to walk from prison.

    There are broader, more uncomfortable questions that Pell may yet also have to deal with, including that he is expected to be castigated in the unpublished sections of the sex abuse royal commission.

    Then there are some potentially very uncomfortable questions that will be asked if the High Court fails to release him, forcing him to serve several years, probably at Ararat in rural Victoria, where Ridsdale and others are held.

    Principally, what did he really know about what went on in Ballarat with Ridsdale and others and what was he doing at the time?

    As it stands, the focus will be on the question of what is next. That is, the High Court.

    But the community will inevitably become more interested in what Pell might have known if his sex abuse convictions stand and he is confirmed as a vicious abuser.

    It is a staggering fall.”

    So I am drawn to this sentence from the above……

    “Pell would have to have been the church’s answer to Sergeant Schultz in Hogan’s Heroes — who made an art form of knowing nothing even when he knew something — not to have suspected some of his clergy friends were up to no good.”

    Perhaps John Ferguson could also ask the same of Paul Bongiorno……he shared a house with Ridsdale.

  143. JMH

    Any stouches scheduled for later this evening? Any weapons of preference? I’ll pop out to the shed and get a selection.

    Yes. I have a hot-wired and lethal scrolling thing – and I’m not afraid to use it!

    NADT – Calli!

  144. Leigh Lowe

    cohenite

    #3140088, posted on August 24, 2019 at 5:04 pm

    There is a Peter Roebuck hagiography website

    The eulogy by Fabien Muir sounds a bit disturbing.

    Wasn’t roebuck gay as a goldfish?

    I really don’t care, but his perverted abuse of young men/boys was disgusting.
    I know there was a lot of hair-splitting about the precise age of the boys involved but, honestly, this was the ultimate abuse of power.
    The boys may have been over the age of consent but they had two choices … get an education and a start (whilst putting up with Roebuck’s perverted spanking routines) or go back to a shanty-town and live out their lives in abject poverty.

  145. notafan

    Ridsdale was never Cardinal Pell’s ‘friend’.

    As for Cardinal Pell just ‘knowing’ as a junior priest.

    No-one else did simply by being acquainted with Ridsdale. Some people did (other than his victims) Mulkeans, parents who lodged complaints with him (the principal at Mortlake was clearly concerned) and allegedly police at Inglewood but why should he?

    He realised certain priests had homosexual orientations, , and may have been sexually active but as for the rest, wishful thinking.

    Did Ridsdale’s siblings know?

    They would have been much closer.

    But yeah scapegoat.

  146. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    What a disgusting and dishonest article.

    As The Weekend Australian has consistently reported, Pell is up against it for the simple reason that his accuser has been judged now by the jury and two judges as compelling and honest.

    It is almost as though that is a meme being pumped out by a central authority.

    No really, compelling and honest – total bullshit. He is a proven liar and should be in gaol himself for perjury.

  147. calli

    Principally, what did he really know about what went on in Ballarat with Ridsdale and others and what was he doing at the time?

    Same could be asked of certain Knox Grammar alumni.

    But it won’t.

  148. JC

    I’ve money in a ghoul pool betting about this, but it looks like Trump will have another nomination coming up soon. It’s back.

    Ruth Bader Ginsburg completes radiation for tumor, supreme court says
    The Guardian-10 hours ago
    Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg has completed a three-week course of radiation

  149. calli

    What a disgusting and dishonest article.

    Yep. It gives damning with faint praise a whole new dimension.

    Ferguson is a mealy mouthed barbed wire bum.

  150. calli

    And your word for the week is

    compelling

    Cute isn’t it?

  151. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Remember when the NT Police and DPP proferred compelling and honest evidence in
    R v Chamberlain?

    Frank Walker remembers.

  152. Tintarella di Luna

    The Mediterranean diet. You can’t beat it.

    It’s a Paradise, Tinta. Sun ripened figs….mmmmmmm.

    Yes and yes Lizzie and calli.

    At the moment we are in an AirBnB procured by my clever DIL in Varenna – I can hear the lap lap of the waters of Lago di Como up agains the foundations of this lovely old place.

    The cittadini of all the towns around the Lake aren’t into the endarkening because all night the lights of the towns twinkled brightly and unashamedly so. It was a real fairyland of lights surrounding the darkness of the Lake

  153. Cassie of Sydney

    Ah yes…Knox Grammer…..and Mark Scott….

    I remember this from Gerard Henderson in 2015…

    “Despite the evidence that child abuse has been a blight on virtually all sections of Australian society, the ABC has tended to focus its attention on the Catholic Church in general and Cardinal George Pell in particular. This despite the fact that Pell was one of the first leaders in church or state to address the matter when he established the Melbourne Response, soon after taking over as Catholic archbishop of Melbourne in 1996. There was a media conference where Pell was criticised ferociously by two leading ABC presenters — 7.30’s Leigh Sales and Lateline’s Emma Alberici. Four Corners has targeted Pell on a couple of occasions. Currently the royal commission is hearing evidence about the Uniting Church’s Knox Grammar School on Sydney’s north shore. The evidence suggests that for close to four decades there was a nest of male pedophile teachers who sexually assaulted boys. Moreover, the abuse was known to at least some school authorities, including the long-time headmaster Ian Paterson, who stepped down in 1998. Pell is one of the best known Australians. So it is not surprising that he sparked media attention during his time in Melbourne and then Sydney.. ABC managing director and editor-in-chief Mark Scott is also a high-profile Australian. Yet I do not recall that, in its extensive reporting of child sexual abuse at Knox Grammar School, the ABC has made even one mention of the fact that Scott has been a member of the Knox Grammar School council since late 2007 and deputy chairman since mid-2013. The extent of child sexual abuse at Knox, which commenced as early as the 1970s, was not publicised until 2009, when a male teacher was arrested and charged on a sex-related offence. The royal commission’s public hearings cover the period between 1970 and 2012. In correspondence over the past few days, with the permission of the chairman of the Knox Grammar School council, Scott wrote to me that he did not recall any discussions of matters relating to child sexual abuse on the Knox council before 2009. He also advised that he was not aware of any discussion of the treatment of relevant files, although the school council was briefed that some key files appeared to be missing. In subsequent correspondence, Scott wrote that it was not appropriate for him to answer questions as to why the issue of child abuse was not discussed at council meetings before 2009. He also declined to say why the school council had not advised parents of the extent of the scandal before the royal commission’s public hearings commenced. I accept that Scott is a truthful and professional person. However, ABC journalists would not accept an “I did not know” or a “no comment” response if Pell or the former Anglican archbishop Peter Jensen were on the board of a school where teachers molested students. As ABC editor-in-chief, Scott publicly and privately supported the pursuit of Pell by ABC journalists. But these very same journalists, so far at least, have not asked Scott to what extent he believes that he — and other Knox Grammar School council members — fulfilled a duty of care with respect to students for whom they were responsible. It is called a double standard.”

  154. Cassie of Sydney

    Ah yes…Knox Grammer…..and Mark Scott….

    I remember this from Gerard Henderson in 2015…

    “Despite the evidence that child abuse has been a blight on virtually all sections of Australian society, the ABC has tended to focus its attention on the Catholic Church in general and Cardinal George Pell in particular. This despite the fact that Pell was one of the first leaders in church or state to address the matter when he established the Melbourne Response, soon after taking over as Catholic archbishop of Melbourne in 1996. There was a media conference where Pell was criticised ferociously by two leading ABC presenters — 7.30’s Leigh Sales and Lateline’s Emma Alberici. Four Corners has targeted Pell on a couple of occasions. Currently the royal commission is hearing evidence about the Uniting Church’s Knox Grammar School on Sydney’s north shore. The evidence suggests that for close to four decades there was a nest of male peterfile teachers who sexually assaulted boys. Moreover, the abuse was known to at least some school authorities, including the long-time headmaster Ian Paterson, who stepped down in 1998. Pell is one of the best known Australians. So it is not surprising that he sparked media attention during his time in Melbourne and then Sydney. ABC managing director and editor-in-chief Mark Scott is also a high-profile Australian. Yet I do not recall that, in its extensive reporting of child sexual abuse at Knox Grammar School, the ABC has made even one mention of the fact that Scott has been a member of the Knox Grammar School council since late 2007 and deputy chairman since mid-2013. The extent of child sexual abuse at Knox, which commenced as early as the 1970s, was not publicised until 2009, when a male teacher was arrested and charged on a sex-related offence. The royal commission’s public hearings cover the period between 1970 and 2012. In correspondence over the past few days, with the permission of the chairman of the Knox Grammar School council, Scott wrote to me that he did not recall any discussions of matters relating to child sexual abuse on the Knox council before 2009. He also advised that he was not aware of any discussion of the treatment of relevant files, although the school council was briefed that some key files appeared to be missing. In subsequent correspondence, Scott wrote that it was not appropriate for him to answer questions as to why the issue of child abuse was not discussed at council meetings before 2009. He also declined to say why the school council had not advised parents of the extent of the scandal before the royal commission’s public hearings commenced. I accept that Scott is a truthful and professional person. However, ABC journalists would not accept an “I did not know” or a “no comment” response if Pell or the former Anglican archbishop Peter Jensen were on the board of a school where teachers molested students. As ABC editor-in-chief, Scott publicly and privately supported the pursuit of Pell by ABC journalists. But these very same journalists, so far at least, have not asked Scott to what extent he believes that he — and other Knox Grammar School council members — fulfilled a duty of care with respect to students for whom they were responsible. It is called a double standard.”

  155. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Remember when the NT Police and DPP proferred compelling and honest evidence in
    R v Chamberlain?

    Remember when Donald Leslie Hancock proferred compelling and honest evidence in R v Micklebergs?

  156. thefrollickingmole

    Apparently the obamas are gerbil worming deniers.

    Funny how those with the money seem to rush to absorb the risk and protect the rest of us.

    Such wonderful people.
    The Obamas are in the process of buying a 29-acre waterfront estate on Martha’s Vineyard. The property belongs to Boston Celtics owner Wyc Grousbeck, and the house boasts seven bedrooms, eight bathrooms, and a pool.

    This bloke wins twitter for this effort.
    https://twitter.com/hale_razor/status/1164635633047855104

  157. Old School Conservative

    but did they raise the issue of “R.A.A.F. reluctance” to fly the ammunition resupply mission?

    Yes, that was an integral part of the plot.
    The issues of chain of command and refusal to follow orders was also examined.

  158. JC:

    I’ve money in a ghoul pool betting about this, but it looks like Trump will have another nomination coming up soon. It’s back.

    Ruth Bader Ginsburg completes radiation for tumor, supreme court says
    The Guardian-10 hours ago
    Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg has completed a three-week course of radiation

    My thoughts precisely.
    We may be up for another Kavanaugh episode before the next election. The Democrats will be in full hysteria mode. It may make them go so nuts, that President Trump takes every state.

  159. John Constantine

    Their left keep knocking ginsburg out and operating on her.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/can-general-anesthesia-trigger-dementia/

    If all they need is her alive and functioning until 2020, dunno how much chopping and cutting will help.

    [ the pancreas thing sounds serious though.]

    Chances are that she will die with a few cancery lumps, not of them as the saying goes.

    Have the dems appointed a groom of the stool to carry her to the crapper at night?.

  160. egg_

    There’s plenty of. meat of all sorts available in Havana. I’ve bought it. It’s poor quality, although no worse than in Sri Lanka. And the flies are all over it, so I wash it before microwaving it before frying it

    I’d wash my meat too, if I had flies all over it.
    Not sure about the microwave, maybe just a towel.

  161. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Winston

    Regarding the SCOTUS and Kavanaugh 2.0

    As I have said elsewhere:

    ————————————————————————————————————————

    Christine Blasey Ford, Rep. Eshoo and Sen. Feinstein ought to be in gaol for the farce they perpetuated against the US Congress and Justice Kavanaugh.

    It was outright fraud. Follow the whole story. Eshoo, Ford and Feinstein along with a Dem. contributor cooked the whole thing up.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1001

    18 U.S. Code § 1001. Statements or entries generally

    (a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully—
    (1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;
    (2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or
    (3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;

    shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both. If the matter relates to an offense under chapter 109A, 109B, 110, or 117, or section 1591, then the term of imprisonment imposed under this section shall be not more than 8 years.

    (b) Subsection (a) does not apply to a party to a judicial proceeding, or that party’s counsel, for statements, representations, writings or documents submitted by such party or counsel to a judge or magistrate in that proceeding.
    (c) With respect to any matter within the jurisdiction of the legislative branch, subsection (a) shall apply only to—
    (1) administrative matters, including a claim for payment, a matter related to the procurement of property or services, personnel or employment practices, or support services, or a document required by law, rule, or regulation to be submitted to the Congress or any office or officer within the legislative branch; or
    (2) any investigation or review, conducted pursuant to the authority of any committee, subcommittee, commission or office of the Congress, consistent with applicable rules of the House or Senate.

  162. calli

    Speaking of meat, those “lamb” shanks were rather geriatric.

    However, a long spell in the low and slow French cast iron paddock did its magic.

    * callitip – do all the cooking the day before and re-heat. Intensifies the flavour and a boon if you’ve spent a few hours in the garden.

  163. johanna

    Steve trickler
    #3139916, posted on August 24, 2019 at 11:52 am

    This was posted on the old thread. Find the time if you can. Close to 50 mins.

    Astonishing footage and sounds.

    1928-1929: Life in England.

    Yes.

    Remarkable. Hop-picking, playground games, fox hunting, gin swilling, horse racing – and more.

    What strikes me is how poor and drab the masses were. The British Empire delivered big time for the upper echelons and the middle class, but the vast majority of Britons grubbed along, grubbily, in filthy slums. It is easy to criticise the public housing tower blocks, but even in the 1960s millions of city dwellers didn’t even have a dedicated bathroom or a flushing toilet. Meanwhile, in America …

    This slum tradition was brought to Australia. In two terrace houses I lived in Sydney, there was no bathroom or inside toilet – they were add-ons of the 1960s.

    I don’t know how the wealthiest and largest empire of modern times managed to deliver so little to the punters, unlike the American one, but if you look at the massive homes built by the rich in those days compared to the average income – the Yanks are beginners.

  164. Roger

    What a disgusting and dishonest article.

    And another I began to read but couldn’t continue because it’s not worth elevating my blood pressure over it:

    Tim Soutphommasane claiming those supporting Pell are resurrecting tribalism in Australia.

    Yes, really.

  165. MatrixTransform

    Steam Combi ovens … reheating …awesome.

    https://www.vzug.com/au/en/

  166. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I don’t know if anyone has commented on it, but the pic in the Australian today of Cardinal Pell on the way to the courtroom presents a very ill and distressed man, showing every one of his 78 years and more. He appears to be suffering from a form of dermatitis – neuro-determatitis perhaps? – on his face, quite badly it seems because shed pieces of skin have fallen on to the clothing around his neck. It is very sad to see a proud man reduced to such straits, especially if there is serious doubt about his conviction.

    I hope he is able to get some proper medical diagnosis and attention for his skin – a strong prescription topical corticosteroid perhaps if it is a dermatitis, not just some pharmacy rubbish. Prison medical systems can be very slack; I know from the experience of a relative treated in one of them. Prisons are demeaning places, in every way.

  167. calli

    As Memoryvault pointed out the other night, sewerage came to Sydney in fits and starts. Our old Epping house still had the outdoor thunderbox, but had been plumbed up inside some time in the early 70’s.

    Dad used to joke about the 24 door sedans prowling Sydney’s night soil lanes.

    In ‘74 I spent a weekend up at Lake Macquarie with some pals – and yes, it was a dinkum dunny that was collected on a twice weekly basis. The tender girls with me went eeeeeew! 😄

  168. Snoopy

    Television news reports inexplicably avoid showing satellite photos ‘from space’ which purportedly show the extent of the Amazon fires. Are they less than compelling?

  169. Ivan Denisovich

    As The Weekend Australian has consistently reported, Pell is up against it for the simple reason that his accuser has been judged now by the jury and two judges as compelling and honest.

    Dr. Douglas Farrow:

    This disease lies in erosion of the presumption of innocence; which is to say, of that fundamental common law principle that goes back to the Justinian code, expressed in the maxim Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat, which puts the burden of proof on the accuser not on the accused………

    Bias or no bias, there is, I maintain, a disease of the law that shows itself in the majority’s lack of concern for corroborating evidence, its neglect of exculpatory evidence, and its elevation of an existentialist “truth”—their own response to a witness—over objective facts that lie in the public domain.

    Justice Ferguson again, answering the charge that the prosecution case rested on the mere possibility that Cardinal Pell had opportunity to commit the crimes in question: “The Crown case was not based on mere possibility. As the judge instructed the jury, mere possibility ‘is clearly not enough’. On the contrary, the prosecution argued that the account given by A was so obviously truthful that the jury could be satisfied, beyond reasonable doubt, that the events had occurred as he described them. A’s evidence was said to provide a sure foundation for guilty verdicts” (par. 149, emphasis added).

    This answer is very telling. The presumption of authenticity that attaches to a “compelling” witness trumps the presumption of innocence that ought to attach to the accused. The uncorroborated testimony of a compelling witness, the “obviously truthful” testimony that requires no corroboration, permits the jury and the judges to set aside the reasonable doubt that arises not only from the contrary testimony of the accused—whose own credibility in this case was not critically examined—but also from the evidence mounted by the defence that what the prosecution called “possibilities” were nearer in fact to practical impossibilities.

    This power to set aside is indicative, if I may say so, of a new legal fundamentalism in which “the ring of truth” (par. 86 and 91) makes unnecessary close examination of the salient facts, even though detection of that ring by its very nature is a subjective process. The operative corroboration at work here is the testimonium internum in the jurist’s own spirit………

    What Justice Weinberg criticized in his colleagues, ever so gently but with great cogency, was their refusal to test their subjective response to the accuser’s testimony by the internal and external contraindications that call it (and him) into question. The majority was beguiled by the complainant, and there was an end to it………..

    This subjective turn represents something more than a peculiar weakness in the majority opinion. It is a sign of a growing disease of law, of a contest—a quite astonishing and destructive contest, as the Pell case illustrates—between what I am calling the presumption of authenticity and the far more fundamental presumption of innocence………….

    And why was George Pell on trial? He was on trial because the prosecution brought charges on a solicited complaint from A in Operation Tethering, backed, as all agree, by no corroborating evidence whatsoever; and because the law now permits a prosecutor to do so and makes ample provision for his success in doing so by way of an exaggerated presumption of authenticity. That indeed is something of considerable significance!…………

    https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2019/08/23/a-certain-disease-of-the-law/

  170. Bar Beach Swimmer

    Currently watching the ABC news for the first time in months. There have been about 12 items, including sport. So far, bar two items, all reporters have been female, while the sole males were reporting from the cricket and the basketball. Stories from the USA, France, Vietnam, India, East Timor, Brazil, the Sydney Swans match, the Rugby League and the weather, all have been delivered by women.
    Is it ladies day/week at the ABC or a directive from Ita?

  171. classical_hero

    https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/145464/fires-in-brazil

    As of August 16, 2019, an analysis of NASA satellite data indicated that total fire activity across the Amazon basin this year has been close to the average in comparison to the past 15 years. (The Amazon spreads across Brazil, Peru, Colombia, and parts of other countries.) Though activity appears to be above average in the states of Amazonas and Rondônia, it has so far appeared below average in Mato Grosso and Pará, according to estimates from the Global Fire Emissions Database, a research project that compiles and analyzes NASA data. (Note that while the chart label says 2016, the 2019 data is listed on all of the plots as a green line. Roll your cursor over the green 2019 block below the plot to isolate the 2019 numbers.)

    Reality yet again gets in the way of the climate hysterics.

  172. classical_hero

    Delta A, best wishes for your recovery.

  173. johanna

    Spring is certainly sprunging around here:

    Spring is sprung
    Da grass is riz
    I wonder were dem boidies is?

    Da liddle boid is on da wing
    How absoid, da liddle wing is on da boid.

    An exercise Mr Dawson gave us in sixth class to illustrate different accents in English. In the 1960s.

    As for other recent topics, I know nothing about sport, but unlike many commentators (apparently) I admit it.

    I feel deeply for Cardinal Pell, a victim of the tides of opinion, and hope that his jailers are treating him well. Does anyone know about this? What are his circumstances? As I sit in my comfy, if expensively heated, townhouse in Queanbeyan, with the freedom to leave anytime, talk to whoever and so on, I am reminded about the arbitrariness of ‘justice.’ I’ve committed hundreds of offences (smoking dope) and have a clean record.
    I was not surprised to read that he didn’t respond to our resident narcissist’s flirtiness in an airport lounge (‘oh, I dropped something at your feet, excuse me while I bat my eyelashes and show my cleavage as I pick it up’).

    She just can’t help herself. Nobly, she went on to say that she didn’t hold it against him. What a gal!

    Finally, possibly the most important thing in modern politics is Britain inching towards Brexit. That featherbrain Boris is still to-ing and fro-ing, but if he wimps out on this, the Conservative Party is finished. So, always with an eye on the main chance, he might just deliver.

    After that, though, the dickhead has signed off on a carbon free Britain and similar nonsense. Why do these guys always team up with women who are in the vanguard of the SJW movement? It goes back to Barnaby and his awful wife, Joyce. 🙂

    The media’s to blame.

  174. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Delta A, best wishes for your recovery.

    Seconded, Delta A – all good wishes for your recovery.

  175. Knuckle Dragger

    Ivan D,

    That Farrow chap is gold.

    Man, that’s good.

  176. Muddy

    I’ve hesitated to comment on this matter, but what I find interesting is the language used by the feral media, in particular the adjectives. From Cassie’s cut and paste:

    have believed the complainant, a father in his 30s,
    The complainant is not a man in his 30s, or an electrician in his 30s, but a father
    Consider the implied meaning in that one word.
    (All bolding above is mine).

  177. Nick

    Just who are the talking vaginas every sports show on either FTA or Cable, have ?

  178. Arky

    Speaking of meat, those “lamb” shanks were rather geriatric.

    ..
    That was no lamb shank.
    That was Delta’s leg.

  179. Arky

    Damn it, take me out of moderation, wilya?

  180. Arky

    I know I asked to be in modertion.
    But I’m better now.
    Honest.

  181. C.L.

    Brilliant analysis by Farrow.
    Thanks so much for posting, Ivan.

  182. johanna

    Yes, Delta, great to hear from you. It sounds like you may be going through a bit of a low period just now. There are many people here who care what is happening – please don’t be shy about it.

    Chronic health problems can crush the spirit, but don’t let it crush yours. Let us know when you are up for another round of stumpy jokes. We’re here all week. 🙂

  183. cohenite

    thefrollickingmole

    #3140117, posted on August 24, 2019 at 6:30 pm

    Apparently the obamas are gerbil worming deniers.

    And obuma’s missus has a dick, apparently. As urban myths go this one appears to have legs, or some sort of appendage.

  184. MatrixTransform

    The wife has an eye patch so the pirate jokes run thick.

    there’s a hook for a joke in there somewhere.

    count yr blessings mate.

  185. Knuckle Dragger

    Did someone say hook? (Dad joke alert)

    Where did Captain Hook get his hook from?

    At the SECOND HAND SHOP!

  186. Ivan Denisovich

    Agreed, KD. A pleasure, C.L.

  187. MatrixTransform

    grandpa… how’d you lose yr leg ?
    — Aghh .. twer the year of ’48 and the shark bit me

    grandpa how did you lose your hand … why the hook?
    — that were the sword fight by the mizzen mast.

    and Grandpa how come you have an eye patch?
    —aggh!
    —seagull pooed in that.

  188. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    What has eight legs, eight arms and eight eyes?

    Eight pirates.

  189. MatrixTransform

    Im so old I remember when Long John Silver had two legs and just an egg on his shoulder

  190. johanna

    So far as I can tell, the ‘writers’ festival includes no first rate Australian authors.

    Yeah, well, Robert G Barrat is dead.

    After that, they’ve got nothing.

  191. Knuckle Dragger

    Tomorrow in my part of Darwin is hard rubbish day, better known as Free Stuff for Housos Day.

    This arvo after I got back I lugged an old washing machine that was replaced a year ago, and has been stinking up the joint ever since out the front.

    Streets all around my suburb are crammed with utes, some with trailers attached, getting around at walking pace occupied by punters with their kids deciding they need a third couch, an old vacuum cleaner or a solitary bar stool.

  192. Rockdoctor

    Tom. Yeah am aware of the Cobham masquerading as the red roo here in God’s country. Think they will be getting a bit scrutiny after a BAE146 ran into a terminal in WA when brakes failed hence my hmmm last evening…

  193. Knuckle Dragger

    Variant of an old one:

    Walk up to a chick at a pub/bar/whatever, who is obviously attractive but also obviously up herself.

    Say, ‘Did it hurt?’

    Expecting you to then say, ‘When you fell from heaven,’ she says, ‘What? When?’

    ‘When you burrowed up through the Earth’s crust.’ Walk off.

    She will spend the rest of the day/night on your case, trying to find out why you think she’s a pig.

    Champagne comedy.

  194. Leigh Lowe

    Another.
    Approach lady in hotel:-
    “And what are you drinking?”
    If she says “house wine”, you maybe buy her one.
    If she nominates a $30 cocktail, you simply say “And a very nice drink it is too!” and walk off.
    Messaging about return on investment is important.

  195. Leigh Lowe

    Pattinson showing up the Paki on leaving outside off.

  196. johanna

    Knuckles – your council admits that there is stuff people want to get rid of?

    I lived for a while in the ACT, where ‘No Waste by 2010′ was emblazoned on garbage trucks. It continued to appear on the trucks for years. Des can confirm.

    Anyway, there are still garbage trucks doing the rounds there, presumably collecting something other than waste.

    My NSW council (Queanbeyan) is currently caught in a fight about denying reality and the alternative. Apparently, the green fairies believe that if you imagine hard waste away, it will disappear. Poof!

    I did 15 rounds with them a while back when a pompous, ignorant apparachnik wrote me a threatening letter about wrongthings in my recycling bin. By the time I finished with this tattooed, pierced, socially aware bint (with copies to her boss, his boss and John Barilaro) there was an eerie quiet, which has lasted to this day.

    Give ’em hell!

  197. Knuckle Dragger

    Fourth grassed catch by the Engrish.

    Excellent.

  198. Leigh Lowe

    Bwah, ha, ha.
    The Yorkie Ranga drops one.
    Doesn’t want to let it go to RootTed.

  199. Steve trickler

    Delta A.

    May you swagger to this one day in the future.



  200. Knuckle Dragger

    johanna,

    It’s marketed as a pre-cyclone clean up day so they can be seen as socially responsible, lest a fridge come over my neighbour’s fence and into my kitchen five months from now. They even have a setup where the old and/or decrepit can ring ahead, and the punters will drag whatever it is from out the back and into the truck themselves.

    They charge a shit tin to dump it at the tip, so it’s convenient for all. For me, it’s ‘get rid of shit for free’, and for the other half of town it’s ‘I can have free shit?’

  201. Leigh Lowe

    Take note Paki.
    When you leave everything pitched more than 4 inches outside off, you start getting easy pickings on middle and leg.

  202. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Zero waste would actually scare the bejeezus out of Greenies, it would involve some recycling (of PGM elements and base metals), [possible bio gasification] incineration/plasma arcing and chemical recovery of valuable waste exhausts.

  203. Leigh Lowe

    England 67.
    Laboosh 69.

  204. Mark A

    Closet misogynist here? Or just incompetent race callers and sport commentators irritate me.

  205. Rockdoctor

    Watching Easts vs St George at the nearest local on northern beaches of Townsville. 20 deg outside, beers cold & lifes good…

  206. Knuckle Dragger

    Labba-shag-nee. Like one of those pop up inflatable clowns.

    Smack him the head and he enjoys it.

  207. max

    Olivia Manning’s The Fortunes of War
    as presented on the BBC 33 years ago with Kenneth Branagh and Emma Thompson.

    Well worth a look when you have time.

    Episode 1 Bucharest Sept 1939
    2 Romania Jan 1940
    3 Romania June 1940
    4 Greece Oct 1940
    5 Egypt April 1941
    6 Egypt Sept 1942
    7 The Middle East Jan 1943

  208. Mark A

    max
    #3140181, posted on August 24, 2019 at 9:04 pm

    Yeah Romania, the biatc.. of Europe, changing sides as the fortune of war changes.
    Her perpetual mentor, the surrender monkeys.

  209. Rockdoctor

    Just noticed… WTF since when they had chick referees?

  210. max

    Mark A, you can find many parallels with the rise of the left in our time as you watch the Nazis move into Bucharest and then Greece.

  211. Ivan Denisovitch:
    Thanks for that post about the circular reasoning and the denial of presumption of innocence to Cardinal Pell.
    Most illuminating.
    If the Cardinal refuses to take this matter any further, can the High Court step in and demand a retrial?
    This whole affair looks like Hulls appointments to the Bench have managed to polarise the nation to an incredible extent.

  212. Leigh Lowe
    #3140174, posted on August 24, 2019 at 8:42 pm

    England 67.
    Laboosh 69.

    I’ll have the 69, thanks.

  213. Knuckle Dragger

    246.

    359 in front. That will be heaps.

    Plenty in the deck, and it’s still taking spin and lots of it.

  214. Knuckle Dragger

    25 odd minutes by the three quicks before lunchy munchy.

    Prediction: Three wickets.

  215. Mark A

    max
    #3140184, posted on August 24, 2019 at 9:19 pm

    Romania has form in changing sides when suits.
    Is all I’m saying. There were no Nazis in WWI.

    History of a nation can’t be revealed from a short period of time, the history of Romania is being rewritten as we speak.
    Not unlike the Aboriginal occupation of OZ, every year we add a 1000 years, or ten.

  216. JC

    These Chinese tariffs really appear to be working.

    American Tariffs on China Are Being Blunted by Trade Cheats
    Data from Vietnam show surges in both imports from China and exports to the U.S., highlighting how transshipment circumvents levies

    Billions of dollars worth of China-made goods subject to tariffs by the Trump administration in its trade fight with Beijing are dodging the China levies by entering the U.S. via other countries in Asia, especially Vietnam, according to trade data and overseas officials.

    The Trump administration has for more than a year sought to weed out the practice known as transshipment, in which Chinese exports typically are minimally processed or altered during a brief stop in a third port and then re-exported as a product originating from the third port. Such circumvention threatens to crimp U.S. plans as it prepares to add tariffs on to $300 billion of Chinese exports, from toys to electronics, essentially covering all its China trade. The U.S. already has placed 25% tariffs on some $200 billion of Chinese exports.

    In the first five months this year, exports to Vietnam from China of electronics, computers, and machinery and other equipment have sharply increased compared with a year earlier. In turn, so have exports of such goods from Vietnam to the U.S., Vietnamese trade data show.

    “The phenomenon of trade fraud through labeling of the origin of goods as being produced in Vietnam is increasing,” the Vietnamese Ministry of Industry and Trade said. “Such fraudulent labeling not only directly affects products and consumers, but also significantly reduces the reputation and competitiveness of goods manufactured in Vietnam.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/american-tariffs-on-china-are-being-blunted-by-trade-cheats-11561546806?mod=cx_picks&cx_navSource=cx_picks&cx_tag=undefined&cx_artPos=1#cxrecs_s

  217. Knuckle Dragger

    Stupid Pommy chick with microphone:

    ‘332 is the highest score England have chased in an Ashes Test, against Australia.’

    You may retire to the parlour, madam. Men are talking.

  218. Mark A

    Knuckle Dragger
    #3140193, posted on August 24, 2019 at 9:37 pm

    You may retire to the parlour, madam. Men are talking.

    True this is I was referring to, don’t mind intelligent comment from anyone.

  219. Robert Mc

    First ! Seriously.

    Commiserations BrettW. Second through sixth is still a fine effort.

    Nite all.

  220. Farmer Gez

    Winston Smith
    #3140185, posted on August 24, 2019 at 9:20 pm
    Ivan Denisovitch:
    Thanks for that post about the circular reasoning and the denial of presumption of innocence to Cardinal Pell.
    Most illuminating.
    If the Cardinal refuses to take this matter any further, can the High Court step in and demand a retrial?
    This whole affair looks like Hulls appointments to the Bench have managed to polarise the nation to an incredible extent.

    It is passing strange how a man such as Pell, whose reputation is one of almost brutal honesty, is branded a liar as opposed to the complainant.
    An exemplar of credibility that two appeal judges told us must be believed.
    It’s almost childish.

  221. Nick

    Mark A, grab some tuica and have a seat.

  222. Des Deskperson

    ‘I lived for a while in the ACT, where ‘No Waste by 2010′ was emblazoned on garbage trucks. It continued to appear on the trucks for years. Des can confirm.’

    In 2013, the commitment to ‘No Waste by 2010’ was still emblazoned in no uncertain terms on the wall of the ‘Sustainability Education Centre’ at the ACT’s Mugga Lane ‘Waste Management Centre’, aka the tip.

    The fully laden garbage trucks were rumbling past it.

  223. dover_beach

    Brilliant analysis by Farrow.
    Thanks so much for posting, Ivan

    Indeed. I especially liked the following:

    This answer is very telling. The presumption of authenticity that attaches to a “compelling” witness trumps the presumption of innocence that ought to attach to the accused. The uncorroborated testimony of a compelling witness, the “obviously truthful” testimony that requires no corroboration, permits the jury and the judges to set aside the reasonable doubt that arises not only from the contrary testimony of the accused—whose own credibility in this case was not critically examined—but also from the evidence mounted by the defence that what the prosecution called “possibilities” were nearer in fact to practical impossibilities.

    This is precisely what the HC needs to rebut. I can’t help but think that by ‘compelling testimony’ and ‘obviously truthful’ they simply meant ‘it’s the vibe’, and a jury and two appellate justices thought this was enough to imprison a man. This is where we are right now.

  224. Mark A

    Nick
    #3140197, posted on August 24, 2019 at 9:44 pm

    Thanks for the tip Nick, I’m a Brandy/Cognac man myself.
    Poisoning myself with Daco stuff at the moment is not on the list.

    As to history of Europe and the world, I can only say that our education in the 70s was less than lamentable.

  225. Nick

    Thanks for the tip Nick, I’m a Brandy/Cognac man myself.

    French XO is a good buy here in comparison to cognac, which, while I prefer it, is overpriced due to our Chinese brothers.

  226. JohnJJJ

    It is interesting. I read the Catallaxy whine and whinge. Let us suppose that intelligence and competency is described by the bell curve in a society. Now the top 10 percent are attracted overseas to countries that understand this.
    Australia is left with the worst people. Australia does not try to attract the best from OS. So everyone fights to get to the top. They create little kingdoms through favours, as they know there are people who are much better.
    Every issue on this Catallaxy site is a result of this reality. It has been going on for 20 years. The worst people are now in charge of everything.

  227. Louis

    Gee that Victorian charter of Human Rights worked out really well for Pell…oh wait.

  228. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Thanks for the tip Nick, I’m a Brandy/Cognac man myself.

    There is only one after dinner drink, befitting a gentleman.

    Slainte!

  229. Nick

    Zulu, Lagavulin 16 at $124 is taking the piss.

  230. dover_beach

    The court’s reasoning is viciously circular. Over against A’s testimony, naturally, were Pell’s denials. “These were, plainly enough, emphatic denials.” Justice Weinberg, for his part, opined that they were also convincing denials. “It does not follow, however,” said Ferguson and Maxwell, “that they obliged the jury to have a doubt about A’s allegations.” “The jury had, of course, to give appropriate weight to the denials but it was of the very essence of their task—as it is in every contested trial—to decide whether the evidence led by the prosecution established the guilt of the accused, notwithstanding the denials” (par. 183). And what evidence was that? Never anything other or more, as Weinberg pointed out, than A’s uncorroborated testimony, which his colleagues deemed sufficient.

    Once the circle is established by endowing the complainant with the ring of truth, the complainant can only be refuted by hard proof that his claims are quite simply impossible. Otherwise, for the defendant, the jig is up. It always was.

    Another excellent point from Ivan D’s link above.

  231. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Ardbeg at $96.

    Thoughts?

  232. Mark A

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #3140204, posted on August 24, 2019 at 10:11 pm

    Thanks for the tip Nick, I’m a Brandy/Cognac man myself.

    There is only one after dinner drink, befitting a gentleman.

    As you keep saying Zulu, fit for treating flyblown sheep. Whiskey that is, any price or brand name.
    Glasses at 100 spaces.

  233. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Zulu, Lagavulin 16 at $124 is taking the piss.

    Saint Dan Murphy’s has Lagavulin 16 on special at $94 a bottle. Life is too short to wear badly fitting underwear, suffer the company of fools or the mentally deficient, or drink poor quality Scotch.

  234. Nick

    $94 is better but far more than it used to be.

    Dot, Ardbeg 10 is good value

  235. Frank Walker from National Tiles

    Furious I didn’t get the Father’s Day prices though…

  236. Bruce in WA

    Ardbeg is good, but not quite as good as the bottle of 40-year-old (yes, 40) Glenfarclas my mate opened and shared with us the other night.

    Felt like an angel had pissed on my tonsils. 😉

  237. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    As you keep saying Zulu, fit for treating flyblown sheep. Whiskey that is, any price or brand name.
    Glasses at 100 spaces.

    Whiskey – Irish or Bourbon – is indeed, fit only for treating fungal infections in human beings, and blowfly strike in Merino sheep.

    Whiskey – single malt, as produced by any decent distillery, north of Hadrian’s wall (There are a few decent single malts produced in Australia) is an after dinner drink, consumed by gentlemen while discussing secret men’s business, after the ladies have retired for the evening.

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